How to EXPOSE F-Log2 for beginners from a Colorist
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- This is your starting point to better understand Fujifilm F-log and F-log2 in the Xh2s and a few other Fuji cameras.
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0:00 - Intro
1:32 - Meet Evan Schneider, the Colorist
2:19 - What are Fujifilm F-Log and F-Log2?
3:53 - Should you over-expose Fujifilm F-log2?
4:49 - How to expose for the Xh2s and F-Log2
9:28 - Bmpcc6k pro vs. Fuji Xh2s. Which do I prefer?
12:48 - Using Fujifilm Simulations
17:54 - A colorist workflow with F-Log2
23:29 - Outro
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Thanks for having me on! Loved our chat, hope it’s helpful to everyone!
Super helpful! Thank you!
I assume the logic of when to correct, and apply luts etc applies across NLE's?
You bet! thanks again for your knowledge !
Definitely super helpful man, thanks for the insight
@@BrendanEvan yes definitely!
I'm buying xs20 next week so THANK YOU MAN
After using Sony zv1 I feel like it's gonna be jungle after zoo
Talk to Serr next man!!
Love his work
Agree
Couldn’t agree more SERR is the best Fuji shooter 🤙🙃
THIS
YES
Great information! Thanks for putting this together. Was super helpful to hear the conversation on node tree order.
Evan's work is really fantastic. Loved the insight that I got from this video!
Dang! Super dense information here! Got really heavy and useful at the end. Definitely going to have to watch again and so many things to try out! Thank you both!
Thanks for watching! More content like is will be coming
Very informative! I've been using Evan's LUTs for a while now and really like them.
Excellent video! New to the channel. Appreciate this a lot. Getting my X-H2S in a minute.
Welcome aboard!
Great interview! I learned so much in jus 20 mins. Def need to rewatch this a few more times.
Great content! Please keep this stuff up!
Awesome video, I’m going to try flog2 and this was just the info I was looking for.
Awesome I'm a glad haha
definitely needed this as I just picked up an xh2 and im looking to put my Blackmagic down for a little while
I’d definitely love to hear/watch an interview with serr! Homie has been killing it with Fuji and is only getting better
dig it! More like this please! Always cool to see how other creatives think and approach things. :)
Learned alot, great video. I'm new with shooting flog and node based editing in davinci. I've got a long way ot go, but this provided a great foundation of how to think about the post process early on by understanding the Log format and how to work with it better.
That flog tip barrage at the end was worth gold. Great video!
Facts
this was really great man! Thank you for doing this.
Thank for watching!
Really nice interview man. I just got the XH2 for 8k. Excellent video recording tips here for Flog2.
Cool dialogue, great questions and important answers! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Settling in with the good big screen and headphones to soak this one up! Thanks for doing this guys!
ayyeee that's the way to go
This is a very helpful video to me. Really appreciate it, learned a lot. Thanks for putting in the work.
Glad it was helpful!
This was great.. would love to see a few more F-Log2 tutorials… there’s literally none. I think you can use the Fuji Log LUT converters and load them into Resolve in certain folders to allow the app access to them showing up in more than one place in the app… theres some stuff like that. His suggestion to use the converter in middle is a magic trick thanks for that … keeping the high and lows in range with that ideas is awesome.
I loved this! Thank you so much
Great video man super super useful for someone Fuji-curious!
Glad it was helpful!
You can definitely adjust the curves in film simulations for video too on the T3. Did it for years!
How?
@@willmorrell488 It should be the same process you do for stills. If I want a flat look I just do -2 highlights and -2 shadows.
Sooooooo much useful info! Thanks so much for this invaluable video
Part two is coming!
Excellent content as always!
3:58 I think the first most important thing for the exposure is how to read the exposure on the X-H2s. Since there is no FALSE Color or EL Zone in this camera you have to know where the camera is reading exactly in the frame for exposure; because a +0.3 or +1 with the PHOTOMETRY set to MULTI is not at all the same if it's set on SPOT or CENTER WEIGHTED.
I will post a video on the subject very soon on my RUclips channel, Peace.
Really nice video, i am a sony shooter but want to make the change to fuji so the ideal introduction 🙏🙏
Thanx for this 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 great work 😊
Great info, thanks!
Pretty sure you can edit shadow/highlight tone settings in video mode since XT2. You make a great point though that with XH2S the film simulations are now baked in 4:2:2 which should increase their usability. Interested in seeing further test results of this. I usually hate baked-in profiles and FLog is certainly the way to go in general but for fast turnaround projects Eterna and Classic Chrome do have a great look. As for sharpness, I agree that SOOC the Fuji image looks way too sharp, interesting to hear you find it still too sharp even with sharpness & NR down at max levels (-4 ?). Wish Fuji could allow further fine tuning, oversharp footage ruins the cinematic look imo. Overall great conversation, love these kinds of interactions.
I find using a mist filter really helps with softening the image a bit, I agree about the sharpness
the XS10 is my current primary camera, i adore it. can’t recommend enough (as long as you have an external recorder for video)
facts. I had it about two years ago. it'll be a good fit in my Fujifilm workflow
Loved this guys! Looking to move over to fuji 👀
Yes bro! Which fuji camera?
Excelente video... Thank you for all those tips
Think it’d be pretty cool to go over location scouting for bigger projects and approaching process for gear you’d take for each location.
I love location scouting. You can find so many cool places that you can record for free, especially in nature.
Nice! Keep them xh2s content coming :) Honestly, could have been longer! More talk on video formats, adapters, davinci etc...super interesting so I wouldn't worry about it being too long. Worst case make it in multiple parts. Cheers
Yes longer videos are to come! but thanks for watching this one!
Good stuff brother I sold my Z Cam E2 got an Fuji xH2s, in May Im going get the Lumix s5 IIx. Looking forward to the full frame look 🤤
I'm going keep this xH2s though this thing is beautiful
Loved the interview! I'm starting to learn Davinci and just picked up the X-H2s so this came at the perfect time.Picked up Evan's F-Log conversion LUTs and it really changed the game for me. They're such as solid base to work off of whether I'm working with the X-T3's F-Log or F-Log2
Great to hear!
Definitely loved this chat man! I may shoot on a lowly Canon RP but I’m a big fan of this xh2s! I’ll soak up anything you make on it haha. I was wondering though,
1. Would you be interested in using the moment anamorphic adapter on it? Idk how the ibis would behave
2. Have you noticed the purple/magenta in the image like Josh Sattin’s review?
Subbed and followed. Great tips on resolve
Thanks for the sub!
Hi, Just recently found your channel. Thanks for the video, very good and informative. I mostly use F-log on my XS10. I still struggle how to expose my scenes, hopefully you will buy one and also make such informative video on that as well. FYI recording options are kind of limited and disappointing compared to XT-4 on XS10. but such a lovely little camera. cheers
Tks! Helped me a lot! 👊🏼🙏🏼🎬📽
Great video! Thanks
On the XT5 they also put F-Log2. It’s native ISO is at 1000 for the XT5. Not sure why they didn’t put 1000 like on the T5 for the XH2S. Either way looks sooo good 🔥
Having him explain the node tree was a blessing! Thanks for this!
🙌🏽🙌🏽
I personally enjoy long format content. I tend to rewatch the video a couple more times vs videos below 5 mins. Especially when there is a tutorial in the video, too
Awesome - good to know!
Definitely nice learning from someone in the field
Thanks for watching!
@@CineDailies you’re more than welcome.
Super interesting stuff, especially the chapter about node structure on Resolve toward the end. The NR first and conversion lut placement makes so much sense now.
Gonna get my hands on a xh2s in January/February and these kinds of videos make me so eager to do so. The last camera I had was an a7sii and often the grading part was pretty disappointing with the 8 bits 4:2:0 files. I feel like you had to be a really good colourist to get nice stuff out of it (I was not lol). 10 bits ProRes must be so much more fun.
Also is it me or your AF is trying to focus on your glasses reflection 😅?
Man that Classic chrome definitely looks so amazing. Ive never wanted a camera based off a particular type of creative look it can shoot. I understand it's called a "film simulation" but let's face it, they are literally just creative looks.
Totally
Absolutely loved this -- very informative. Future video suggestion, would you consider going over the in-camera exposure process a bit more? Especially in a couple of different types of lighting scenarios, like indoor, with a window, sunny day, backlit, etc., as well as using NDs? Thanks!
thanks for watching! I won't do every situation, I just don't have the time. But something to consider for the review video.
I just make sure not to clip the highlights while also trying to get enough shadow detail, so I usually overexpose, but make sure not to clip the highlights or use zebras at 90%
Thank you for this!!!!
Part two is coming soon
20:02 Boom! This was the best part. Some say to put the color space transformation node at the end but often they don't have an explanation to it. It's also precious to see few folks like you guys using Fuji's F-Log 2 (or 1) with Davinci Resolve, thank you for this great reference point!
thanks for breaking it down. 🤙
No problem 👍
Nice! Good things!
Thanks for the video, very informative :)
In the video I believe Evan said that Flog2 was not supported yet in Davinci. I'm wondering if flog2 is now supported and if the same coloring workflow as explained in this video still applies. I recently picked up a X-S20 and have been shooting in Flog2 with that. I do have the Fuji LUTs in Davinci (free version), but I feel like I need extra adjustments on my footage.
This is awesome, gonna go buy those LUTs lol
they are really great!! haha
First of all thanks for sharing so much good content ❤. In regards to f-lo ig2 do you know if xh2 records f-log2 internally as xh2s does? Thanks
Geat video!
Thanks for watching!
Occasional long form content is great man, it allows serious viewers to gain deeper knowledge :D
yep! finding the right time slot per month
Bro the xs10 is amazing ! . Basically like a mini xt4
Haha I just love the little shade thrown at the sigma 18-35. Ive felt the same for many years now. Very ready to move on from that lens.
go and be free lol
Ok kool so moving on to what lens?
@@rumporridge1 There’s plenty to choose from.
Would be interested to know what you would recommend in terms of ideal output. Just picked up an X-T5, and while I know it has some limitations, I would love to know your recs for casual recording to get the most out of it, both in flog2 and eterna. I am new to the video side :)
I kinda love the xs10. So small. Such a good grip for the size
Love the grip. It's such a nimble camera
@@CineDailies honestly dude. I’m testing out the xh2s for MobileSyrup right now and it’s a strange contrast to the xs10. But all I want now is an xs20 lmao
do you do qualifier skin color adjustments before or after the 709 conversion?
F-Log View Assist is essential when shooting Log on the Fuji!
Yep!
Hi. I’ve got a bit of a newbie question. If I max out my X-T3, 400mbps, 4.22, 4K etc will this make a difference if I export the project at 1080p or should I may as well just go 200 mbps, FHD? Further to my question, if I’m exporting 1080p, should I bother with a 4K timeline or should I edit with a 1080p timeline even if I shot with the former settings? Thanks in advance!
Hey do u have any advice on how to handly the 10bit 422 H265 on davinchi to get a smooth playback? Thx for this interesting video, keep up!
Maybe drop your playback quality
Loved this. Talk to Drew Simms. I think his structure style is interesting.
bet - I'll put him on the list!
Love the titles you used in this video, can these be downloaded anywhere?
I believe it's from tropic color
Any tips on fixing false color with flog-2? Nothing clips - highlights and shadows.
Good content
Thank you
Wow. What a super-informative video. Thanks a lot! I am just building a cine-lens kit (using 1970s Canon FD lenses) for my X-H2S. Up to now I am using 'standard FD-FX-adapters' Which Speedbooster would you recommend ?
Thanks for watching! I highly recommend the Metabones speedbooster (locking EF mount is my real preference) 0.71x
Can convert your FDS to ef
@@CineDailies I know. I would like to avoid a double adapter solution )-: So FD-FX would be my way to go ....
Hey, my english is so bad... so please can you write me what u said about the colors pace transform... cause I dont know what I need to put, I am filming in Prores hq, slog2 ?
HELP I don't understand how to film with my new Fuji x100vi I slapped a variable ND filter and set it to shutter 1/60 and put it in 6k 30fps to stick to 180 degree. What is the correct settings for ISO and F-stop? Is it okay to leave F-stop and ISO in auto? Also do they have a LUT for Flog? Your videos is great but little to complicated for me I just want to slap a LUT and make a tiny adjustment in Premiere. Is this possible.
Would you recommend exposing Flog 1 the same way?
Does davinci resolve support CST for flog 2?
The XH2S definitely has some internal sharpening going on even when its dialed all the way down.
Yeah it's so annoying
Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to use false color with h2s connected to Atomos ninja V+ recording in flog … ? It does not work, false color on Ninja is not showing what it should, the biggest problem is that it is not showing properly blown highlights.
Do you have settings for f-log? I'm using xt3,
SUPER helpful video. So with color space: is he saying I should convert F-Log (1) from Rec.2020 to Rec.709? Like in Final Cut should Input be set to 2020 and Output be 709?
Hey! Rec.2020 is the colorspace and F-Log is the gamma curve, so you should set the input to F-Log, Rec.2020 and output to Rec.709 and whatever gamma you're working in.
@@EvanSchneider {if I’m in Final Cut (and maybe this would be a long explanation) would I make the Input 2020 PQ or HLG? For transforming F-Log}
EDIT: nevermind I see there’s a regular 2020 as well 😆
Do you know if using the 18-35 when using the fringer will definitely retain video AF?
I have no idea.
Could you do a video on doing color critical work like product videos.
Sure
Are these Sigma canon lenses really that good? Everyone seems to use them for video but they’re quite an old lens. Just curious.
I have a hard time deciding between the A7Iv and the Xh2s. Which gives the best video image? I don't care about rolling shutter, 4K60 and 4K120.
The question isn't about the best Image quality. They both are great. Which system do want to invest in? Lenses, workflow, etc
I'm currently shooting with the XT-4 some F-LOG h265 10 bit footage and I'm shocked to see intense banding in the blue sky. That is so unacceptable for professional work. Any ideas why is this so intense in h265 files and not in h264 files?
Not sure. I never use h.264 or .265
Also, it's it 4:2:0?
@@CineDailies Yes, it's internal recording 4:2:0. With just a basic grade the sky banding is so strong unfortunately. Even if you just lower the highlights a bit you can clearly see the different color lines in the sky.
Ryan Booth would be amazing!
Love Ryan!
On my X-H2, with F-Log2, the ISO goes down to 1000. Am I missing something? Or is the base ISO really different between the H2 and the H2S?
The base ISOs are different
@@CineDailies thanks! Just getting into video and thought maybe I was overlooking something.
Were you using the xh2s to record this interview? Asking because the autofocus lost you a few times.
Yes I was but I wouldnt worry about it in this case. I was testing it in multi mode vs area. Area is a much better AF setting. Have you watched my AF review?
@@CineDailies not yet, but I guess that's next on the watchlist!
I'd give this two thumbs up if I could.
Should we use FULL range or VIDEO range level settings for best results?
I should actually
@@CineDailies With 10-bit values, full range is 0-1023 and video range is 64-940. From your point as a colorist, does the difference above make a big difference? For example, is the Flog-2 quality signal the same, but placed differently (inside 0-1023 or 64-940), or maybe the Full range gives a larger spectrum?
Noise reduction: I've heard recommendations to put it first or last.
Your arguement makes sense: you have a cleaner image to e.g. apply the color picker to. It can also be faster because it can cache the first node output as it is not affected by other tunings.
For the opposite advice: With noise reduction you effectively remove information from the image for the cleaner look. They argue that they want to be able to tune that until the last step...
surprisingly, the xh2s loses little to no information. watch Gerald undone test.
Merci pour la vidéo. Mais je ne comprends pas de quoi vous parlez a 18'33
I know this video is more about F-LOG but I have a serious question... I shoot wedding videos... I am thinking about buying the XH2s... I really want to know if the AF-C is improved in video from the XT4...
We use the XT4 for weddings as our main camera and we love it. Obviously it comes down to preference but check out our work to see.
@@krokisco I bought the xh2s 4 months ago :) I am loving it! BTW Nice work with your films!
@@BuddyG thank you! We’re in the same Mastermind class btw!
That was great to listen to. I actually bout Evan's lut packs cuz i dont know shit about color grading... So cheers for that.
Awesome Im glad you enjoyed it!
Do you think the jump from xt3 to Xh2s is worth it for realestate and weddings?
Yes
@@CineDailiesisnt full frame still abit better? for example in realestate i need to change lenses for wide and close ups but for a full frame i wont need to, i cant find a zoom lens on fuji that goes from 10mm to 30mm
@@edi18912 better is subjective to the job. Pick the tool that best for the job.
Thanks for this video!
His frame looks so good… do you know what he was shooting on? 😅
The xh2s
@@CineDailies so both of you are using the Xh2s to film yourself?
I’m asking cause the colors look different and so does the autofocus, but maybe it’s because of your glasses 🧐
@@jonathanhadas5457 my setup was just lazy lol it was a quick set up for me ha
@@jonathanhadas5457 correct
Serr and Mark Bone would be great
Why you ask? One very creative Fuji EX4 user, film guy and XH2S chap, tons of overlap and content ideas from interviews to create your own mini movie masterpiece with Fuji. Mark Bone on Sony cameras, his channel and doc school. So, you hit the funi and Sony users, budding film makers and Sony, documentary makers. Both are great at storytelling too
Where have flog2 lut in this video
Better short max 10 mins 😊
how to expose flog2 with false color
Don't blow out your highlights