A unique video no one else has done, my main take away that I hadn't considered is this is a path to BRAW with auto-focus, if the monitor to camera issues are worked out.
Watched this entire cut. Fantastic comparison that I know is helpful for folks that are considering an XH2s specifically for its B Raw capabilities. The fact that you are using you XH2S as your daily camera and your 6K Pro as your work camera I think says a huge amount about both systems.
Thanks for uploading the files! I've messed around with them on Resolve, and found out I really liked grading those flog2 files, way more than BRAW. They're a little on the yellow side, but a light touch of color warper was enough to get them looking great, and it was easier getting them how I wanted then the BRAW from either camera. My baseline is using color space transform, as if the footage was LogC, and then do the warping, and it's been working great I'm starting to consider the X-H2S as my next camera!
Thank you so much for all the time, efforts and patience. Glad to see real feedback. In any case I'm not up to the skill and resource level needed to shoot and store raw video yet. So I'll stick to Flog1 for now and save up for bigger capacity CF express cards.
There are cf express type b to m.2 ssd adapters. Sintech makes one, I have been using it with a 1Tb corsair SSD for almost a year now, never had any issue with it...
So I have the XH2s and decided to test out the Video Assist with it. My idea was that I could not only have the extra codec of BRAW, but also record ProRes through the video assist to an SSD as buying a 2TB SSD and the 5” video assist is not much more in money than buying a 2TB CFExpress type B card. And you get the added bonus of an external monitor. But the first thing I didn’t like was the fact that the ProRes recording options were actually limited. You couldn’t record 6.2K open gate in ProRes on the Video Assist. Secondly, I also thought that recording in BRAW would be a great way to delve into the higher quality codec of raw a little all while actually conserving disk space at the same time as BRAW 3:1 has smaller files than ProRes HQ. In the end, I returned it after all that effort as I had the lag issue and I actually preferred the imagine out of ProRes using FLog 2 over BRAW. And Fuji is about to release an FLog2 C soon. I just think Fuji is doing amazing things and their color science is just absolutely beautiful. So yeah, I personally didn’t find it worth either to this day. Prob will just get an external monitor without the recording capabilities and just enjoy the beauty of FLog2 in ProRes (and soon to be FLog2 C). Love my Fuji XH2s!
I believe A is Fuji, B is Blackmagic. A leans a bit magenta, B leans a little warm and green. Thanks for this comparison! Love the image on the BMPCC6K, but can’t live with the non-locking EF mount and the rolling shutter performance. So, I’ve been hopeful the Fuji would make a good alternative. Looks like it fares really well in terms of image quality! Also, interesting side note - the Fuji has better dynamic range when using internal F-Log 2 recording modes - as that is the only way to utilize the 14-bit sensor readout. Not sure quite how much of an impact that makes though. Might be an interesting comparison to do at some point - internal ProRes vs external BRAW dynamic range. Really appreciate the content!
This video is pure gold. As a hybrid photo/video shooter, I'm considering switching from Sony A73-4 to Fuji XH2s (color science will help a lot since I'm also a colorist, open gate and codecs are a big plus, APSC sensor is more than enough if client don't need to make billboards or stuff...so is really good for small to medium production, even solo). Also I do shoot on film 35 and 120 so If they day will come I'll stay with Fuji 50 or 100s and adapt Mamiya and Nikon lenses. Also BMPCC6K will always be the starting point as a video workhorse, but the lacking of autofocus, since it's a cinema camera will create the environment for the Fuji to shine more in a lot of daily situations. Thank you for sharing all of these informations!
After viewing a number of videos on the Fuji i have to say there is just something about the look that the XH2S produces that feels very filmic to me. My main daily drivers are RED ( Raptor and Komodo ) and the reason I gravitated towards RED is that it has a very filmic look without needing to put much in effort. I’m not sure if it’s the X2Hs ability’s to produce a highly detailed image without it looking too digital / video-y or if it’s the colors or the motion cadence but I haven’t seen a camera outside of RED / ARRI produce an image that strikes me the same way the Fuji does other than maybe the Kinifinity cameras I once owned and yes this also includes the BM, Ursa’s, P4K and 6K that I have owned at one point or another. I’m pretty excited to pick up the Fuji soon.
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How was the Kinefinity? it's hard to find reviews on it
Thank you very much for this video and uploading the files. I recently changed from my trusty BMPCC 4K to the Fuji X-H2s. I'm loving the Fuji. In many cases, I find 422HQ internally to be very good. I'm still undecided about BRAW. It seems less optimized for Fuji than for BMD's own cameras, so I feel it has less detail and a few other issues.
helluva video man! a few things i’d love to be in the loop about in the future is-if they fix the lagging of the camera to monitor issue, if bras suddenly allows you to change ISO, and also what lenses you’ve been loving! especially because i plan to buy the 6k pro and xh2s, any lenses that you enjoy on both is a double whammy for me. mad love dude i was so thrilled in this video.
Do we know if this issues are still exist as of today? Thinking to get either the new Ninja or Video Assist for X-H2s just to be able to record on SSDs. I prefer Braw over Proress Raw any day. But both monitors seem to have some issues with X-H2s
Open feels like a Spike Joint 🔥🔥 Profile on the young woman was super heat 🔥🔥🔥. Dope video really impressed with the Fuji's colors, BMPCC jus different tho!
The gfx 100s also has that crazy lag on that monitor. I defaulted on filming with it internally just because of the delay. The image was also crazy different so Im happy that is fixed here. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.
@@Pena420station mostly when using the raw output. It still has a bit of a delay when normal but nothing bothersome like the raw. Mind you, on the GFX100s.
Hot take - After 15+ years of chasing flatter and flatter profiles that allow us to do more and more in post, one of the absolute joys of Fujifilm imho is dialling in a custom film simulation and committing to the look in camera, rather than "fixing it in post" later.
@@AllisonRoadWest I do indeed. But in a world of log profiles and colour grading (and yes, fix it in post), I personally think it's refreshing to shoot with a baked in look, rather than to decide later. And I think Fujifilm is the one camera manufacturer that provides a range of filmic profiles out of the box that you can bake in without sacrificing anything.
Congrats for the thorough honest review! I cant recall, can one record Fuji XH2S 6K 3:2 open gate from full sensor size in Braw to the video assist 12G?
Thank you soooo much for such an indepth comparison. Gonna wait a while for Fujifilm to iron out the firmware before purchasing the X-H2S. It's a pity there doesn't seem to be dual native ISO in BRAW though. Maybe if BM releases a new Video Assist with a caddy for nvme SSDs that would be awesome. I think the ISO issue is the same with other products (Panasonic/sigma fp)? If I'm not wrong, only BM cameras can change the ISO in post. Something about how the ISO scaling is different across brands or something so BM implemented it as exposure change instead of ISO change. And BM shifts the dynamic range stops depending on ISO right? Like how it moves more stops to highlights or shadows based on ISO. So maybe other brands don't do that at all, resulting in the inability to use ISO in post. I feel like apart from the things you mentioned, there's a couple more things to Fuji needs to work on like manual focus customization. Panasonic let's you choose the degree of rotation but Fujifilm doesn't. The Tamron 17-70 is hard to use for manual focus cos I think it's like 5 million degrees of rotations from min to infinity.
I asked myself the same thing when editing haha but no - the sharpness coming from the xh2s in flog2 is strong. Even turned down. Braw has no sharpening and rarely add sharpening braw footage.
Let me catch my breath. Sir the colors you got out of the X-h2s is amazing. Can you please go back and do a video on how you color graded the video profile with your friend. You do any one on one 🤔
Selling my XT4’s and going all in on XH2 and H2S to expedite workflow. Simple talking head with minimal color grading means the workflow is really fast now that autofocus is reliable. I’m not touching raw or even ProRes yet 😂
So I have the nearly exact same setup. I am also about to post some test but what I can tell so far, is that you are sadly right. At the moment the combination of Braw and the X-H2s is a bit disappointing. Monitor lag, stottery image, pink screen due to weird connection losses. Regarding the the comparison of 1000 iso bmpcc to 1000 Xh2s, I am not too sure that makes a lot of sense. Since the real base ISO of the XH2S would be 640 but we (sadly) can not access it. So we stick with an amplified 1000 iso signal in BRAW, which is obviously more noisy. But if you prefer BMPCC 6k at 3200 vs XH2s at 3200 they are very identical in terms of noise performance. Since even setting your BMPCC 6k to 1000 does not actually, really amplify the signal. You are still in the ISO 400 circuit, just altering the contrast or exposure curve. So you were basically comparing 400 ISO Circuit to an actually amplified 1000 signal. I hope what I say is somewhat understandable 😅. Just my 2 cents. Regarding external recording of F-Log2, that's of course possible, but not in RAW but in external ProRes 422HQ. And it seems to have a little better noise performance, maybe due to the magic of the cam. But I also read that recording 6.2K ProRes 422HQ internally would have the overall best performance at the moment. Back to the BRAW and ISO thing. What I think is strange thou is, that when filming ProRes-Raw, you can change the iso in post using Assimilate (not sure if it is actually changing or just adjusting linear gain). Also some RUclipsrs Claim, that the Xh2s has dual ISO at 640 and 3200. I am just not sure if it really is dual Gain or just the High-Iso-NR kicking in at 3200. OK enough talking. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it a lot. Greets.
Great content, thanks. Did you compare the dynamic range between Flog2 and Braw? I know the fuji uses a 14bit sensor readout mode for Flog2, I wonder if maybe it's using the 12bit sensore readout mode for braw, explaining the difference in highlight rolloff with the 6k pro.
it actually does, as stated by fuji it self, flog 2 internal por res is from a 14bit readout, and external, 12bit. so internal it has way better dynamic range
If anything, BMPCC looks a bit cleaner on skin. Other than that, they are virtually indistinguishable. I would love to see the Fuji against Red or Alexa. I'm an award-winning indie cinematographer and director with a 2 hour action/SciFi feature coming out this year.
At 7:23 I think that the Fujifilm looks much more natural to me, with the skin being less orange. Also, the Pocket has her face kinda soft, dont know why that is.. And I would also love to see a comparison between internal Flog in Prores HQ and external BRAW on the X-H2s, since that is really the question when considering wether or not to get a video assist.
thanks for doing the test and sharing the footage for download! that exclamation mark warning on the BMVA means it's dropping frames so my guess is the stuttering footage is because of the card not being able to write fast enough, I've had that issue in the past when shooting 60+fps but once I got a faster card it stopped - also re the issue with plugging in an ssd on the bottom of the monitor and mounting you mention, I bought a cage for the monitor and so you can mount an ssd holder (I have one for the samsung t5) and then just flip the monitor upside down (set the screen rotation in the menu to automatic) and then you can plug in on "top" of the monitor and secure the ssd to it as well so you can still freely rotate the monitor - I usually set my BMVA to stop recording when it detects dropped frames so there's no chance of being surprised by stuttering footage later on. getting my xhs2 next week and looking forward to doing some tests myself!
I thought autofocus with Braw was the only reason for the test! Maybe open gate. I think the S5 II X will make more sense with the Assist 12G because of full frame and AF. ! Warning means your card isn’t fast enough and has lost frames. Was hoping to see the Fuji + Assist 12G on gimbal. With follow focus, external power and shotgun mic. Thanks for the test!
If you set noise reduction to -4 on the fuji and do the noise reduction in davinci resolve you can get up to 13.8 stops of dynamic range with the SNR of 2 which exceeds the blackmagic by full 2 stops.
Hey man , thanks for all the dope and informative videos! , I was wondering if the BRAW on the fujifilm works well now? was there a formware update that fixed the issues you had when recording BRAW externally on the fujifilm? the reason why i ask is because I am about to spend money on buying my first professional camera and I am leaning towards either one of them bmpcc 6k or xh2s , thanks in advance
Yeah, I’m not lugging two cameras around. The X-h2s is a phenomenal photography and video camera. Most of us shoot for RUclips and either camera is overkill on that front.
Josh, the good thing is , you (and moment team) are not afraid to share your thoughts and what you really thing of a product or a camera system, etc… 👍🏽 never change that!
Hey, Im having a bit of a dilemma choosing between the two cameras, can you help? I want to shoot horror short films, not really interested in photography. From the videos I've watched, the black magic seems to have superior low light to the XH2s. Can you confirm? I want to be able to shoot in low light, I love the footage that comes out of the black magic, but I'm worried about not having stabilization. Any thoughts on that? Im also going to be travelling to iceland and want to get some footage there. I feel like the rig for the black magic might be a bit heavy and too much to take around hiking with me. Let me know what you think is the better choice if youd be so kind, I'd reallllllly appreciate it. Also, is it just with the black magic assist that the xh2s doesnt have dual gain iso? Or does it not have that completely?
Hey, great video, I have the Lumix S5 and use it often with the Blackmagic Video assist, and yes, you can't change the ISO, but you can kinda change it through the exposure, that it is on the same window, so only by Stops and not by seeing the ISO, but I mean it works pretty well 👍🏾
Thank you very much for this greta video... any chance of uploading the BRAW from the Fujifilm on GoogleDrive again? Basically trying to assess how much dynamic range I gain by going from H265 10 bit 422 to the BRAW 12 bit. Thank you !
Great stuff man! Saved me a lot of time and research (and money lol) with this. I do some wedding work and my work is starting to pick up a lot and I've been with Fuji since the start but I've always chased after the blackmagic image but could never quite replicate it on Fujifilm. Don't get me wrong I love Fuji colors, but when it comes to video work BMPCC's are just better, the sharpening, highlight rolloff and all that is just so beautiful on blackmagic and just not quite the same on any mirrorless brand. My question is without backup recording is blackmagic worth it for weddings? I really want that image for my couples, but I havent found a legit backup solution for my couples that I would use if I used a bmpcc camera as my main on wedding day. Some insight would be super appreciated. Thanks!
What about the ir problem with bigger lenses on the bmpcc? You have the internal nd filters but then additionaly need an filter on the front of your lens for IR cut.
As a bmpcc user, I can tell how weak the face is at minute 8:05, I used the bmpcc image and added contrast to it to get a little closer to the fuji image and it still seemed lifeless to me, the fuji has an image with more presence and contrast, the girl's face looks weak and flat in the bmpcc. (Adding more contrast the girl's face became very red-magenta). People are obsessed with a file being named "raw" and they forget what their eyes see. Viewing this on a 32" screen
Watching this video again because it's so interesting! Something I'm inquisitive about is that the xh-2s BRAW looks to have a bit more dynamic range than the 6k in the shadows and mids. On the side-by-side image showing just the log images, you can tell that the mids and shadows are waaaaay brighter on the xh2-s. This suggests that even though the highlights are clipped, there is probably quite a bit more info in the shadows of the fuji braw. This makes sense because iso 1000 on the 6k pushes all of the DR into the highlights. Have you seen this to be true? Could you do a test with them both right below clipping white and see if the fuji does any better?
I'll be picking up an Xh2s soon but I'm still debating on investing in a video assist for BRAW capabilities. Have you tried out different HDMI cables and SSD recording options to combat the BRAW issues?
On one hand, giving a non BM mirror-less B-Raw capabilities is dope. But internal B-Raw still seems the way to go. Now if you could get B-Raw with a A7siii or FX3 on the assist… man that would be a combo right there. Great video Josh!!
That lag has me spooked, but always prefer the flexibility of BRAW to ProRes. All prior experience has been with that being recorded internally though, seems to be a different game here.
Have you recorded BRAW into the Video Assist from any other source? I am wondering if the fixed ISO is a idiosyncrasy of the X-H2S specifically or if it's a limitation of how Video Assist records the BRAW.
Yep. Confirmed here. It's a Blackmagic Video Assist thing, not an X-H2S thing. ISO control is disabled for all third party cameras recording in the the Video Assist. Seems the exposure control is good enough though. ruclips.net/video/Ewz5fQ1e6b4/видео.html
I noticed when downloading the footage that the Fuji xh2s Braw, has some weird pixles appearing randomly, most of them white, some of them are red even, kinda ruins the footage in my oppinion
Thanks! I'm a cheapo when it comes to recording video, I just do 10 bit Long GOP H264 internally on my Lumix S1. Good enough for long form content, but I am waiting for BM Design to release the next gen of the Video Asssist 12G, ideally with CFExpress Type B card support and more stability. I've had issues with BM Pocket OG and 2.5K cinema cameras, where it turned half the day's footage into a pixel mush. Because of this I never use BM cameras on biggee projects, despite their image being one of the nicest under 10000 USD
Super informative video man! I'll just stick to BRAW in my 6Kpro. I'm curious, about shooting your doc in Isreal and wrapping up in the states; how are you mixing the footage? With 25p and 24p? I'm shooting a doc in South Africa and finishing here in ATL and I'm a little unsure about which to shoot in. Thanks.
hay dude.. South African here.. we use 50hz power so best bet not to get flickering is probably 25 or 50 fps..Keep in mind the power is very unstable and sometimes you need to go 2 24 30 or 60 to not see flickering in lights
can I still record braw but with other hdmi monitor like feelworld brand? the new fujifilm xm5 says that it can record braw 12bit with external recording (sorry newbie here)
Does your video assist not display the log image when shooting braw? Cuz no matter how I change the setting(both in the lastest firmware), it always shows a flat but def not log image, make me can't trust the exposure assist tools anymore.
Yeah there were a few issues with playback, weird glitches and digital noise. I've made this aware to blackmagic. Make sure you have fast cards and a high quat HDMI cable
Hey ! Thanks a lot ! I got X-T3 and the VA 7" 12G, and I've got a huge drawback : latency between the monitor and the camera. 4 frames minimum (I have sound entry that I can't use then...) But basically, do you get this latency also, is it usable to work with, or you missed all movement within the frame, as the real life movement is going 4 frames before you can see it ^^' I'm think about taking the X-S20 for Braw (to not invest too much), do you think it would be reliable ? That's not the X-H2S workhorse, but it's still a pretty good camera for the budget ! Thank you for your videos, they are really helpfull !
Another excellent video and you came to similar conclusions as myself when testing Braw on the X-H2S though I never got any stuttering or warning symbols maybe it is your sd cards I was using Kingston 128GB cards and a Samsung T5 ssd. I saw some where that you can’t change the iso in post because the camera doesn’t have dual native ISO’s so there is no range to select so Blackmagic just gave you the exposure slider which covers the whole range but that could just be speculation.
interesting - even in the 6k pro I can a range of ISO from 100 to 1000 or 1250 to 6400. The iso to the external recorder still have an ISO range regardless of it being dual ISO, you know anything. Thanks for watching! and yeah it might be my card, even though its a V90 card
Really great and informative video!! Man! Both images look great! Is it me or does the BRAW add a little softness to the XH2s. In a good way. The footage I have seen thus far is beautiful, but just a tad sharp
So….since you went this way, even though your already stated dislike of ProRes is here are you going to test an Atomos recorder which may actually have improved interconnectivity with the X-H2?
I unfortunately don’t have a BM Assist, but I do have the Ninja V and recorded most of my captures in for my latest project in India in ProRes with 24fps and tofu’s. I didn’t see any lag issues. Overall, the connectivity was excellent.
Cine Dailies! Video! Question: obviously for long format filming the disjunction issues between the video assist and the camera is not ideal. But especially for take based bursty narrative work, would you say the experience is usable for more manual focus pulling intentionally lit based narrative projects? Or do the units cause so many issues that it truly takes valuable time away from the production schedule of a given day? Insights on this is really helpful as it makes the difference between a tolerable setup in which we can still get braw out of this camera or having a contemplate the prores raw workflow
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The blind test answers.
A is the XH2S w/ the speed booster
B is the 6K Pro
A unique video no one else has done, my main take away that I hadn't considered is this is a path to BRAW with auto-focus, if the monitor to camera issues are worked out.
FINALLY A XH2S RAW VİDEO ON RUclips !
WHOOP WHOOP
Watched this entire cut. Fantastic comparison that I know is helpful for folks that are considering an XH2s specifically for its B Raw capabilities. The fact that you are using you XH2S as your daily camera and your 6K Pro as your work camera I think says a huge amount about both systems.
Thanks Adam! And thanks for watching!
Thanks for uploading the files! I've messed around with them on Resolve, and found out I really liked grading those flog2 files, way more than BRAW. They're a little on the yellow side, but a light touch of color warper was enough to get them looking great, and it was easier getting them how I wanted then the BRAW from either camera.
My baseline is using color space transform, as if the footage was LogC, and then do the warping, and it's been working great
I'm starting to consider the X-H2S as my next camera!
Thank you so much for all the time, efforts and patience. Glad to see real feedback. In any case I'm not up to the skill and resource level needed to shoot and store raw video yet. So I'll stick to Flog1 for now and save up for bigger capacity CF express cards.
I appreciate you saying that. All the best for your future projects!
There are cf express type b to m.2 ssd adapters. Sintech makes one, I have been using it with a 1Tb corsair SSD for almost a year now, never had any issue with it...
Thank you so much! @@CineDailies
@@NoahBuehlerthank you so much for the info! I'll check this option.
Saying that this video was awesome and highly informative it's a understatement. 👏👏
🙇🏽♂️ thank you. This took a lot of time. There are areas I could have explained better too
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Pro for the win for me.
Thank you for taking the time to watch!
So I have the XH2s and decided to test out the Video Assist with it. My idea was that I could not only have the extra codec of BRAW, but also record ProRes through the video assist to an SSD as buying a 2TB SSD and the 5” video assist is not much more in money than buying a 2TB CFExpress type B card. And you get the added bonus of an external monitor. But the first thing I didn’t like was the fact that the ProRes recording options were actually limited. You couldn’t record 6.2K open gate in ProRes on the Video Assist. Secondly, I also thought that recording in BRAW would be a great way to delve into the higher quality codec of raw a little all while actually conserving disk space at the same time as BRAW 3:1 has smaller files than ProRes HQ. In the end, I returned it after all that effort as I had the lag issue and I actually preferred the imagine out of ProRes using FLog 2 over BRAW. And Fuji is about to release an FLog2 C soon. I just think Fuji is doing amazing things and their color science is just absolutely beautiful. So yeah, I personally didn’t find it worth either to this day. Prob will just get an external monitor without the recording capabilities and just enjoy the beauty of FLog2 in ProRes (and soon to be FLog2 C). Love my Fuji XH2s!
That short video in the studio was amazing! I also have been wondering about external BRAW on the xh2s, thanks for the detailed video!
I literally made of the concept on the spot. I had a completely different idea ha
Amazing comparison, i love the open gate function of the xh2s and this is the biggest selling point for me.
totally!
Great video. Thinking about picking up one of these. Does it still have lagging issues to this day?
Best content for fuji xh2s about video capabilities, thank you! amazing jobs, keep it up, we love it!
Thank you igor!
I believe A is Fuji, B is Blackmagic. A leans a bit magenta, B leans a little warm and green.
Thanks for this comparison! Love the image on the BMPCC6K, but can’t live with the non-locking EF mount and the rolling shutter performance. So, I’ve been hopeful the Fuji would make a good alternative. Looks like it fares really well in terms of image quality!
Also, interesting side note - the Fuji has better dynamic range when using internal F-Log 2 recording modes - as that is the only way to utilize the 14-bit sensor readout. Not sure quite how much of an impact that makes though.
Might be an interesting comparison to do at some point - internal ProRes vs external BRAW dynamic range.
Really appreciate the content!
Would also like to see that comparisson
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Hi Ethan,
Did you find out if it was the bmpcc 6k on the B footage? I don’t think he gives the answer in the video?
@@hjkhhjkh3635 haha it's a blind test. The point is to understand the workflow. But I'll post the answer
This video is pure gold.
As a hybrid photo/video shooter, I'm considering switching from Sony A73-4 to Fuji XH2s (color science will help a lot since I'm also a colorist, open gate and codecs are a big plus, APSC sensor is more than enough if client don't need to make billboards or stuff...so is really good for small to medium production, even solo). Also I do shoot on film 35 and 120 so If they day will come I'll stay with Fuji 50 or 100s and adapt Mamiya and Nikon lenses. Also BMPCC6K will always be the starting point as a video workhorse, but the lacking of autofocus, since it's a cinema camera will create the environment for the Fuji to shine more in a lot of daily situations.
Thank you for sharing all of these informations!
Why would sensor size affect billboard print or not?
@@johnnyweissmuller5838 I guess resolution probably? Billboards just look shit in general to me
@@cine-ish there are 8k apsc sensors and 1080p full frame sensors, resolution is not ties to sensor size
@@johnnyweissmuller5838 probably just cope then
So thorough, thank you for taking the time to make this! Answered all my questions and more. Hope it improves in the future.
The is bro! I hope I did this justice haha. I need to do a part too! Learned some new information to test!
After viewing a number of videos on the Fuji i have to say there is just something about the look that the XH2S produces that feels very filmic to me. My main daily drivers are RED ( Raptor and Komodo ) and the reason I gravitated towards RED is that it has a very filmic look without needing to put much in effort.
I’m not sure if it’s the X2Hs ability’s to produce a highly detailed image without it looking too digital / video-y or if it’s the colors or the motion cadence but I haven’t seen a camera outside of RED / ARRI produce an image that strikes me the same way the Fuji does other than maybe the Kinifinity cameras I once owned and yes this also includes the BM, Ursa’s, P4K and 6K that I have owned at one point or another. I’m pretty excited to pick up the Fuji soon.
How was the Kinefinity? it's hard to find reviews on it
Fujj has top colour science starting from camera CFA. You are not seeing it fully here in BRAW examples.
Thank you very much for this video and uploading the files. I recently changed from my trusty BMPCC 4K to the Fuji X-H2s. I'm loving the Fuji. In many cases, I find 422HQ internally to be very good. I'm still undecided about BRAW. It seems less optimized for Fuji than for BMD's own cameras, so I feel it has less detail and a few other issues.
helluva video man! a few things i’d love to be in the loop about in the future is-if they fix the lagging of the camera to monitor issue, if bras suddenly allows you to change ISO, and also what lenses you’ve been loving! especially because i plan to buy the 6k pro and xh2s, any lenses that you enjoy on both is a double whammy for me. mad love dude i was so thrilled in this video.
Do we know if this issues are still exist as of today? Thinking to get either the new Ninja or Video Assist for X-H2s just to be able to record on SSDs. I prefer Braw over Proress Raw any day. But both monitors seem to have some issues with X-H2s
Open feels like a Spike Joint 🔥🔥 Profile on the young woman was super heat 🔥🔥🔥. Dope video really impressed with the Fuji's colors, BMPCC jus different tho!
Appreciate that
The gfx 100s also has that crazy lag on that monitor. I defaulted on filming with it internally just because of the delay. The image was also crazy different so Im happy that is fixed here. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.
Yeah I agree it needs to be fixed
Hey Carlos i work with gfx100s too in video where can i see yours ?
The delay ia using an external monitor?
@@Pena420station mostly when using the raw output. It still has a bit of a delay when normal but nothing bothersome like the raw. Mind you, on the GFX100s.
Great info! Can’t wait to see what else you got coming!
Thank you bro for this amazing cover. Love your work ❤
Thank you for watching!
I often use BRAW external recording (on Lumix) and found this comparison video very informative and really helpful. Thanks!
Hot take - After 15+ years of chasing flatter and flatter profiles that allow us to do more and more in post, one of the absolute joys of Fujifilm imho is dialling in a custom film simulation and committing to the look in camera, rather than "fixing it in post" later.
You do know that those Fuji looks are available in post (by Fuji themselves)
It's not a "fix it in post" solution.
@@AllisonRoadWest I do indeed. But in a world of log profiles and colour grading (and yes, fix it in post), I personally think it's refreshing to shoot with a baked in look, rather than to decide later. And I think Fujifilm is the one camera manufacturer that provides a range of filmic profiles out of the box that you can bake in without sacrificing anything.
Nice video, thanks.
Did you check if you could use gamma and gamut output from camera RAW in Resolve other then BM default ?
Congrats for the thorough honest review!
I cant recall, can one record Fuji XH2S 6K 3:2 open gate from full sensor size in Braw to the video assist 12G?
yes it can. 6.2k open gate in braw
The XH2s is a beast! As is the new XS20 and I’m a Pocket 3k owner.
That's a great comparison. It's nice to see tests like this from real footage. 💣
Thanks for watching!
Thank you soooo much for such an indepth comparison. Gonna wait a while for Fujifilm to iron out the firmware before purchasing the X-H2S. It's a pity there doesn't seem to be dual native ISO in BRAW though.
Maybe if BM releases a new Video Assist with a caddy for nvme SSDs that would be awesome. I think the ISO issue is the same with other products (Panasonic/sigma fp)? If I'm not wrong, only BM cameras can change the ISO in post. Something about how the ISO scaling is different across brands or something so BM implemented it as exposure change instead of ISO change. And BM shifts the dynamic range stops depending on ISO right? Like how it moves more stops to highlights or shadows based on ISO. So maybe other brands don't do that at all, resulting in the inability to use ISO in post.
I feel like apart from the things you mentioned, there's a couple more things to Fuji needs to work on like manual focus customization. Panasonic let's you choose the degree of rotation but Fujifilm doesn't. The Tamron 17-70 is hard to use for manual focus cos I think it's like 5 million degrees of rotations from min to infinity.
8:16 and 8:24 - did you miss focused or is is that much difference between the cams?
I asked myself the same thing when editing haha but no - the sharpness coming from the xh2s in flog2 is strong. Even turned down. Braw has no sharpening and rarely add sharpening braw footage.
But on the other hand I could have missed focus judging by the other clips
Man I've been waiting for this video.
Very good job. You might need to do a follow-up.
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Yeah I most likely will!
Really useful. Many thanks. BTW, what system do you use to shoot your own talking parts (cam ? glass?). Very nice and clean image.
Let me catch my breath. Sir the colors you got out of the X-h2s is amazing. Can you please go back and do a video on how you color graded the video profile with your friend.
You do any one on one 🤔
Great comparison video, what adapter do you use for the Mamiya 645 lens?
Thanks! One is from simmodlens and the other is kipon
Selling my XT4’s and going all in on XH2 and H2S to expedite workflow. Simple talking head with minimal color grading means the workflow is really fast now that autofocus is reliable. I’m not touching raw or even ProRes yet 😂
Try the bmpcc4k or even the original bmpcc.
how to set timeline colour management for fujifilm braw (blackmagic video assist) file in davinci? thank you
So I have the nearly exact same setup. I am also about to post some test but what I can tell so far, is that you are sadly right. At the moment the combination of Braw and the X-H2s is a bit disappointing. Monitor lag, stottery image, pink screen due to weird connection losses.
Regarding the the comparison of 1000 iso bmpcc to 1000 Xh2s, I am not too sure that makes a lot of sense. Since the real base ISO of the XH2S would be 640 but we (sadly) can not access it. So we stick with an amplified 1000 iso signal in BRAW, which is obviously more noisy. But if you prefer BMPCC 6k at 3200 vs XH2s at 3200 they are very identical in terms of noise performance. Since even setting your BMPCC 6k to 1000 does not actually, really amplify the signal. You are still in the ISO 400 circuit, just altering the contrast or exposure curve. So you were basically comparing 400 ISO Circuit to an actually amplified 1000 signal. I hope what I say is somewhat understandable 😅. Just my 2 cents.
Regarding external recording of F-Log2, that's of course possible, but not in RAW but in external ProRes 422HQ. And it seems to have a little better noise performance, maybe due to the magic of the cam. But I also read that recording 6.2K ProRes 422HQ internally would have the overall best performance at the moment.
Back to the BRAW and ISO thing. What I think is strange thou is, that when filming ProRes-Raw, you can change the iso in post using Assimilate (not sure if it is actually changing or just adjusting linear gain). Also some RUclipsrs Claim, that the Xh2s has dual ISO at 640 and 3200. I am just not sure if it really is dual Gain or just the High-Iso-NR kicking in at 3200.
OK enough talking. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it a lot. Greets.
Hi ! Are the stability issues solved ? Could you give us an update 2 years later ?
Great content, thanks. Did you compare the dynamic range between Flog2 and Braw? I know the fuji uses a 14bit sensor readout mode for Flog2, I wonder if maybe it's using the 12bit sensore readout mode for braw, explaining the difference in highlight rolloff with the 6k pro.
I didn't spend to much time with flog2 vs braw from the 6k pro. that will come in my full review later this year
it actually does, as stated by fuji it self, flog 2 internal por res is from a 14bit readout, and external, 12bit. so internal it has way better dynamic range
If anything, BMPCC looks a bit cleaner on skin. Other than that, they are virtually indistinguishable. I would love to see the Fuji against Red or Alexa. I'm an award-winning indie cinematographer and director with a 2 hour action/SciFi feature coming out this year.
At 7:23 I think that the Fujifilm looks much more natural to me, with the skin being less orange. Also, the Pocket has her face kinda soft, dont know why that is.. And I would also love to see a comparison between internal Flog in Prores HQ and external BRAW on the X-H2s, since that is really the question when considering wether or not to get a video assist.
Stellar video! Truly appreciate your perspective on this.
“Not a colorist disclaimer”
I appreciate that!
thanks for doing the test and sharing the footage for download! that exclamation mark warning on the BMVA means it's dropping frames so my guess is the stuttering footage is because of the card not being able to write fast enough, I've had that issue in the past when shooting 60+fps but once I got a faster card it stopped - also re the issue with plugging in an ssd on the bottom of the monitor and mounting you mention, I bought a cage for the monitor and so you can mount an ssd holder (I have one for the samsung t5) and then just flip the monitor upside down (set the screen rotation in the menu to automatic) and then you can plug in on "top" of the monitor and secure the ssd to it as well so you can still freely rotate the monitor - I usually set my BMVA to stop recording when it detects dropped frames so there's no chance of being surprised by stuttering footage later on.
getting my xhs2 next week and looking forward to doing some tests myself!
For a long investment been planing my first short film should i go with the pyxis or xh2s ?
what are your needs?
I thought autofocus with Braw was the only reason for the test! Maybe open gate. I think the S5 II X will make more sense with the Assist 12G because of full frame and AF.
! Warning means your card isn’t fast enough and has lost frames.
Was hoping to see the Fuji + Assist 12G on gimbal. With follow focus, external power and shotgun mic.
Thanks for the test!
Thanks for watching!
If you set noise reduction to -4 on the fuji and do the noise reduction in davinci resolve you can get up to 13.8 stops of dynamic range with the SNR of 2 which exceeds the blackmagic by full 2 stops.
I'm trying to download the files but there are not files in the Drive folder :(
Hey man , thanks for all the dope and informative videos! , I was wondering if the BRAW on the fujifilm works well now? was there a formware update that fixed the issues you had when recording BRAW externally on the fujifilm? the reason why i ask is because I am about to spend money on buying my first professional camera and I am leaning towards either one of them bmpcc 6k or xh2s , thanks in advance
Yeah, I’m not lugging two cameras around. The X-h2s is a phenomenal photography and video camera. Most of us shoot for RUclips and either camera is overkill on that front.
Don't be afraid to share your thoughts!
Josh, the good thing is , you (and moment team) are not afraid to share your thoughts and what you really thing of a product or a camera system, etc… 👍🏽 never change that!
Hey, Im having a bit of a dilemma choosing between the two cameras, can you help? I want to shoot horror short films, not really interested in photography.
From the videos I've watched, the black magic seems to have superior low light to the XH2s. Can you confirm?
I want to be able to shoot in low light, I love the footage that comes out of the black magic, but I'm worried about not having stabilization. Any thoughts on that?
Im also going to be travelling to iceland and want to get some footage there. I feel like the rig for the black magic might be a bit heavy and too much to take around hiking with me. Let me know what you think is the better choice if youd be so kind, I'd reallllllly appreciate it.
Also, is it just with the black magic assist that the xh2s doesnt have dual gain iso? Or does it not have that completely?
Great video! Love the BRAW on my panasonic.
What are your thoughts on those dzo 21 and 40mm lenses? Would love to hear your thoughts on them
A review is coming soon!
Congratulations on your job, I have a question, does it do 4.8K 60P? do you have any examples?
yes it does but I didn't bother with it. maybe in my follow up video
thanks, I’m going to buy second 6K pro
Hey, great video, I have the Lumix S5 and use it often with the Blackmagic Video assist, and yes, you can't change the ISO, but you can kinda change it through the exposure, that it is on the same window, so only by Stops and not by seeing the ISO, but I mean it works pretty well 👍🏾
Good time know!
you can for sometime now..update both ur s5 n va. I think it will come to fuji later on ;)
How do u use the video assist
@@JoeClones activate from the S5 menu Raw recording, you connect the blackmagic video assist and there you go
@@loudmotion5639 I have the latest firmware updates, but the ISO is still not active
Thank you very much for this greta video... any chance of uploading the BRAW from the Fujifilm on GoogleDrive again? Basically trying to assess how much dynamic range I gain by going from H265 10 bit 422 to the BRAW 12 bit. Thank you !
Totally not on topic but what is the name of the music you used for the clip comparison portion of the video? Thanks!
I want to know that as well
I had to Shazam it but here it is:
“Sublime” (ambient) by Eric Kinny
Bro I can't believe that you're handholding that freakin RIG at 1:14 🤯
I really was lol haha I looked ridiculous
@@CineDailies haha props to you for going for it!
I have the xh2s with a ninja V...Must I record a couple of prores raw clips and convert them to cinema dng for you?
also not a fan of the prores raw myself i will rahter stick to prores. but just if you are curious...thought it might help
Great video Joshua.. do you still think XH2S can be used for documentary work using flog or flog2? I am a current XT4 user
Absolutely it can!
Great stuff man! Saved me a lot of time and research (and money lol) with this. I do some wedding work and my work is starting to pick up a lot and I've been with Fuji since the start but I've always chased after the blackmagic image but could never quite replicate it on Fujifilm. Don't get me wrong I love Fuji colors, but when it comes to video work BMPCC's are just better, the sharpening, highlight rolloff and all that is just so beautiful on blackmagic and just not quite the same on any mirrorless brand. My question is without backup recording is blackmagic worth it for weddings? I really want that image for my couples, but I havent found a legit backup solution for my couples that I would use if I used a bmpcc camera as my main on wedding day. Some insight would be super appreciated. Thanks!
What about the ir problem with bigger lenses on the bmpcc? You have the internal nd filters but then additionaly need an filter on the front of your lens for IR cut.
It's not always an issue for me. There are several ways to fix it. in post and/or using it cuts like you mentioned.
Does the lagging effect happen with ProRes recording. And can you use this with open gate recording
As a bmpcc user, I can tell how weak the face is at minute 8:05, I used the bmpcc image and added contrast to it to get a little closer to the fuji image and it still seemed lifeless to me, the fuji has an image with more presence and contrast, the girl's face looks weak and flat in the bmpcc. (Adding more contrast the girl's face became very red-magenta). People are obsessed with a file being named "raw" and they forget what their eyes see. Viewing this on a 32" screen
thanks for leaving footage to do my own test
Could you make a autofocus test of metabones speedbooster with EF lens - the best will be comparition with fringer adapter pro ii
Love the video, but I truly dislike having to guess. It’s so much more beneficial to know up front and then study the differences. Subbed anyway tho
Lol 😆 rough if you couldnt see the answer by now, but thanks for the sub
because you provided a link to download the test footage , I will sub and like , to motivate you keep doing that
🙌🏽🙇🏽♂️
Powering camera and monitor from the same plate might ruin the hdmi port on one of the devices. Happened to my BMPCC 6K.
Watching this video again because it's so interesting! Something I'm inquisitive about is that the xh-2s BRAW looks to have a bit more dynamic range than the 6k in the shadows and mids. On the side-by-side image showing just the log images, you can tell that the mids and shadows are waaaaay brighter on the xh2-s. This suggests that even though the highlights are clipped, there is probably quite a bit more info in the shadows of the fuji braw. This makes sense because iso 1000 on the 6k pushes all of the DR into the highlights. Have you seen this to be true? Could you do a test with them both right below clipping white and see if the fuji does any better?
Yeah ill have to revisit this comparison for sure
@@CineDailies thanks man, your channel has quickly become one of my new favorites! Love the presentation of your stuff!
I'll be picking up an Xh2s soon but I'm still debating on investing in a video assist for BRAW capabilities. Have you tried out different HDMI cables and SSD recording options to combat the BRAW issues?
I have not. But you can always rent one through lensrental
Hi! Which kind of dummy do you use at Fuji and Anton Bauer?
On one hand, giving a non BM mirror-less B-Raw capabilities is dope. But internal B-Raw still seems the way to go.
Now if you could get B-Raw with a A7siii or FX3 on the assist… man that would be a combo right there.
Great video Josh!!
It's pretty insane right? I love the idea of options ha
That lag has me spooked, but always prefer the flexibility of BRAW to ProRes. All prior experience has been with that being recorded internally though, seems to be a different game here.
what song is playing at 4:40?
Have you recorded BRAW into the Video Assist from any other source? I am wondering if the fixed ISO is a idiosyncrasy of the X-H2S specifically or if it's a limitation of how Video Assist records the BRAW.
Yep. Confirmed here. It's a Blackmagic Video Assist thing, not an X-H2S thing. ISO control is disabled for all third party cameras recording in the the Video Assist. Seems the exposure control is good enough though.
ruclips.net/video/Ewz5fQ1e6b4/видео.html
I noticed when downloading the footage that the Fuji xh2s Braw, has some weird pixles appearing randomly, most of them white, some of them are red even, kinda ruins the footage in my oppinion
Thank you for the footage
You're welcome!
but.. how do we colorgrade and correct the Braw from fuji xh2s??
Dude this was awesome. I was really wondering how these 2 interact and work together.
Thanks! I'm a cheapo when it comes to recording video, I just do 10 bit Long GOP H264 internally on my Lumix S1. Good enough for long form content, but I am waiting for BM Design to release the next gen of the Video Asssist 12G, ideally with CFExpress Type B card support and more stability. I've had issues with BM Pocket OG and 2.5K cinema cameras, where it turned half the day's footage into a pixel mush. Because of this I never use BM cameras on biggee projects, despite their image being one of the nicest under 10000 USD
Didn’t know you could change the shutter button on the xh2(s), looks nice 👌🏽
RED SHUTTER BUTTON: amzn.to/3zQFlFD
@@CineDailies thanks! Is it tough to remove?
@@YanFries ive had it for 4 months! hasn't moved. its solid
Thanks, we needed this!!
Thanks for watching!
Super informative video man! I'll just stick to BRAW in my 6Kpro. I'm curious, about shooting your doc in Isreal and wrapping up in the states; how are you mixing the footage? With 25p and 24p? I'm shooting a doc in South Africa and finishing here in ATL and I'm a little unsure about which to shoot in. Thanks.
hay dude.. South African here.. we use 50hz power so best bet not to get flickering is probably 25 or 50 fps..Keep in mind the power is very unstable and sometimes you need to go 2 24 30 or 60 to not see flickering in lights
@@Apple_Ryan hanks, Ryan. I think I'm confused about how to mix it with 24p footage timeline wise.
What speed booster is use?
can I still record braw but with other hdmi monitor like feelworld brand? the new fujifilm xm5 says that it can record braw 12bit with external recording (sorry newbie here)
You need an external recorder.
Those BM colours are just so vibrant and natural. Fuji XH2S still looks flat. Great review Josh!!
I agree - and granted I just made a few adjustments to WB and contrast. I did grade the XH2s footage for the spec fashion video
Hey there, the linked folder is empty - could you please check that?
Does your video assist not display the log image when shooting braw? Cuz no matter how I change the setting(both in the lastest firmware), it always shows a flat but def not log image, make me can't trust the exposure assist tools anymore.
A is Fuji B is Blackmagic ?
I like the image from the A camera better personally
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@@CineDailies why don’t you give the answer man? It’s stupid
Have you had any play back issues? I can’t get 6.2k BRAW from the Fuji on 12:1 to play smooth. Never mind any other codec settings.
Yeah there were a few issues with playback, weird glitches and digital noise. I've made this aware to blackmagic. Make sure you have fast cards and a high quat HDMI cable
@@CineDailies currently using 2tb t5 ssd and Kondor blue hdmi.
@@JaredBritt cool yeah - like I mentioned , another update is needed
@@CineDailies thanks. I also sent emails to BMD and Fuji asking if there are plans to update. Huge bummer.
Hey !
Thanks a lot !
I got X-T3 and the VA 7" 12G, and I've got a huge drawback : latency between the monitor and the camera. 4 frames minimum (I have sound entry that I can't use then...)
But basically, do you get this latency also, is it usable to work with, or you missed all movement within the frame, as the real life movement is going 4 frames before you can see it ^^'
I'm think about taking the X-S20 for Braw (to not invest too much), do you think it would be reliable ? That's not the X-H2S workhorse, but it's still a pretty good camera for the budget !
Thank you for your videos, they are really helpfull !
Another excellent video and you came to similar conclusions as myself when testing Braw on the X-H2S though I never got any stuttering or warning symbols maybe it is your sd cards I was using Kingston 128GB cards and a Samsung T5 ssd. I saw some where that you can’t change the iso in post because the camera doesn’t have dual native ISO’s so there is no range to select so Blackmagic just gave you the exposure slider which covers the whole range but that could just be speculation.
interesting - even in the 6k pro I can a range of ISO from 100 to 1000 or 1250 to 6400. The iso to the external recorder still have an ISO range regardless of it being dual ISO, you know anything. Thanks for watching! and yeah it might be my card, even though its a V90 card
@@CineDailies So it might be correct only cameras with dual native iso allow you to adjust the iso in post whether recorded internally or externally
Why does the BM retain more detail in highlights? Doesn't the Fuji have a higher DR technically?
Really great and informative video!! Man! Both images look great! Is it me or does the BRAW add a little softness to the XH2s. In a good way. The footage I have seen thus far is beautiful, but just a tad sharp
Amazing review!!
Aw thank you!
So….since you went this way, even though your already stated dislike of ProRes is here are you going to test an Atomos recorder which may actually have improved interconnectivity with the X-H2?
I guess I should to be fair ha
I unfortunately don’t have a BM Assist, but I do have the Ninja V and recorded most of my captures in for my latest project in India in ProRes with 24fps and tofu’s. I didn’t see any lag issues. Overall, the connectivity was excellent.
Cine Dailies! Video! Question: obviously for long format filming the disjunction issues between the video assist and the camera is not ideal. But especially for take based bursty narrative work, would you say the experience is usable for more manual focus pulling intentionally lit based narrative projects? Or do the units cause so many issues that it truly takes valuable time away from the production schedule of a given day? Insights on this is really helpful as it makes the difference between a tolerable setup in which we can still get braw out of this camera or having a contemplate the prores raw workflow
Great video! Bummer that the fuji Braw its capped at 60 fps. As someone who owns both cameras this video is super helpfull. Keep up the great content.
I forgot to mention it records in 4.8k 60fps! but with a crop