lmao! This comment wins. For those new to the channel though, Logan is a Pekiti Tirsia Kali Instructor. He lost a bet and so I labeled him as a Pen Fighter, but he does teaches how to fight with a Pen using Kali skills! Also, if there is any other Fight Scene you'd like to see us breakdown! Let us know in the comments below or on our Discord.
@@armaankhokhar7651 We had the honor to meet Benny "The Jet" Urquidez and he had nothing but good things to say about Jackie Chan and that fight scene. It's one of the best martial arts fight scenes ever on film. Good choice.
I think it is worth noting that Bourne didn’t want to kill his assailant because he hadn’t regained his memory and was desperate for any information the attacker could potentially provide. That could be a plausible explanation for his choice of targets with the pen.
Yes, it's almost like movies often tell stories via fights... . For example the "hands down fighting stance" and body language especially by Castell may be a symbol for their brain washing like programming on aggression.
I don’t see any mention of an “uppercut palm strike” in the comments, but I assume it would be similar in technique to a “regular” uppercut, only the strike would be delivered by the palm as opposed to the knuckles… Again, I’m only speculating and I have zero context to utilize in order to gain a better understanding.
As other high level FMA guy ( not sure what that means ...) I don't need beginner lesson talk like "defanging the snake" via glancing cuts ( do that on a throat stab) or weaponless "gunting" via hit instead of catching the whole arm if the scissor contact works. I can understand that one does this " teaching by mistake " of the FMA on YT. But it gives me nothing. People are different.
I personally feel push daggers are very underrated when it comes to a back up or last resort tool. Especially a well made one. If there's no chance of creating distance for yourself, it's the way to go with a such a concealed piece. Love the break down by the way.
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I love this kind of analysis. Bruce Lee said there were techniques and movements good for movies, realistic fights are difficult to observe for the untrained eye, that's why many techniques look "convincing" but not realistic or strategically correct, like the hand stab. The longer and flashy the fight, the better for the producers. Great video as always.
I love that this fight scene got drastically different grades from an MMA/BJJ perspective versus a Pekiti-Tirsia Kali perspective. To be honest though, I'm more used to the weapon work of a fight scene being worse than the grappling/hand-to-hand stuff. Good to see the Jason Bourne team at least got the improvised weapon aspect right. I've trained in improvised weapons for some time now, so it was nice to see that Kali takes a similar approach. Since a pen isn't really a traditional weapon, the mind has to be extra strong not to go too far with it, so I wonder how much Matt Damon had to train in order to NOT actually stab his scene partner with it.
Great comment and insight as always RLA! It seems ppl are liking the double grade so we might do it more. It really helps give the different perspectives between two different martial artist that train entirely different martial arts.
I know Jason Bourne legacy identify supremacy ultimatum are kali mainly and panantukan grappling according to jeff imada and Jason Bourne interview. And Jason Bourne 2016 is some krav maga and kali martial arts.
This scene was one of my favorites in the trilogy and I remember going to the theatre multiple times almost for this fight alone. Super cool breakdown! I'm glad I stumbled across this channel.
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@@ScenicFights oh yeah guys. I just remembered something. Would you consider reviewing manga fights? Basically, it would be like the kengan ashura episode you did but with a comic book. I know one that actually explains "real" moves. I think the author was an underground / street fighter or something.
This isn't one particular scene, but maybe an interesting project for you guys would be the collective fights in the film Brawl In Cellblock 99. Both of you are very informative and entertaining and I look forward to whatever you put out, regardless of whether I've seen the film or not.
Of course! All our breakdowns with Logan has some form of kali including, The Hunted with Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro: ruclips.net/video/UxfkSrOq1BY/видео.html we will go even more in depth with kali in the future.
@Player Zero Yes! Most of the FMA (kali/eskrima/arnis) drills do require a partner since you're mostly working on flows and sinawali movements. Since it's a beginner class (most likely?), working with 1 partner is preferred to minimize surprises/injuries to get the basics out and work on techniques/speed. Learning to spar with different partners add to the spice since some people have "heavy hands"...
I love kali, people seem to think it's all weapons. It's not. Extremely useful, like riding a bike, after a while you find a rhythm and can do all kinds of stuff. Because you can see the lines. It's weird.
Kali is a great martial arts! It's very practical in street fights. Once you get familiar with the kali sticks, you can use the same movement with any other improvised weapon you might find in the streets.
Your analysis of this scene shows a superb knowledge of empty handed as well as edged weapons combat. All in all, you are very dangerous Men in my humble opinion. Glad that you are Good Guys. Great video.😎👍🏾
Can’t wait for you guys to react to the raid 2 kitchen fight scene, even though it’s not kali, but I am pretty damn sure that logan is able to break it down cause Silat and kali is in the same family, but there are different roots that makes them different
Yes please, Raid breakdowns! Or better yet, what about Merantau? It's a less known Uwais movie from Gareth Evans and it would've been nice to see it, not just Raid.
Damn, I love this channel. This is again a cool breakdown. Now I guess Bourne should teach Wick some weapons training and Wick should teach Bourne grappling and jiu-jitsu lol. Keep making more content guys. You're amazing. And pls do check out John Wick shinobi fight scene. Imo, the karambit work in that fight wasn't realistic at all but the grappling was. Would like to see you both break it down.
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@@ScenicFights oh my pleasure! You guys put ALOT into your videos so I appreciate YOU! My faves are the Man From Nowhere Karambit breakdown and Steven Segal showing he doesn't know how to handle a knife episode 😅. What I'd like to see a breakdown of is how realistic in general the knife fights are in the series on hbo max called "Warrior" (it's screenplay was adapted from a story written by Bruce Lee). The series is basically all knife and sword fighting. It's about the hatchet men of the early Chinese mafia.
@@SemperFi_EDC_Guy We're very familiar with Warrior! It's something we are discussing with the team, because one of our core members is a huge fan of the series and wants us to do a breakdown from Warrior too lol. Thanks again for the awesome comment.
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It would be really fun to see your reaction to the fight between Frank Castle (Thomas Jane) vs The Russian (Kevin Nash) and talk about what to do with a size difference! Or just have fun watching the sequence!
There's a branch of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) that's generally called pugilism, which is old European unarmed combat. Boxing existed with gloves of course, but pugilism as it's studied now focuses more on the actual self-defense aspect. It uses tons of palm strikes. If you go back a hundred years or more and take modern medicine out of the equation, breaking your hand was a devastating wound that could leave you unable to perform a trade for the rest of your life. It could leave you worse than dead. The closed-fist fighting that we take for granted nowadays is an incredibly recent thing to become common. Great stuff guys
Awesome breakdown, as always guys! When I worked LE, I carried a Cold Steel push dagger on my ankle inside my boot, in case someone was in my guard, with their legs above my duty belt. One of my friends on a different department, almost died in said situation, if she didn’t have backup. I worked alone most of the time, so, after that, if I got in the same situation, I could grab the dagger from my ankle, go for the ribs or the neck, given the severity of the situation.
I think part of the suggestion of the scene (though the camera work doesn't help this at all) choreography of the rear naked choke, is that Jason Bourne is the one who prevents his fellow assassin from getting proper head placement or hooks. How might you have choreographed the scene to show the rear naked choke attempt as competent but still defeated by Jason Bourne to make his escape to turn the tables, showing Jason Bourne as the more skilled assassin?
@@KaitouKaiju I studied boxing for my self defense and I have not had problems since, it gives you confidence, I once won a fight by simply ducking, slipping and rolling a dude's attacks. When I was young I had a friend who used to save us from bullies and thugs, the only weapon he used was a jab and a layback,dudes would fall flat out.
Nicely explained - your points on the handwork of Kali are particularly interesting you definitely see handwork in other styles like even karate but Kali pushes it to another level ...
@@ScenicFights Yeah, I can definitely see that. However, the shaky cam also makes it hard to see it. My memory is hazy, but I think Bourne Identity fights were easier to follow than from other Bourne movies.
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Thank you for listening to my recommendation :D Loved the fight scene when i was younger. The "shaky cam" hand to hand combat didn't age very well but i was very curious about how realistic the knife and pen work was. Great break down as always guys! I just love all of your videos :D
@@ScenicFights i don't know if that's too violent but maybe the knife fight from Wild Card with Jason Statham? There is a lot happening in just a few minutes xD
Lol! Exactly... He went straight for the pen and forgot it on the side of his neck. One of my favorite scenes too, Excellent fighting skills and lots of disarming techniques.
Commenting for the algorithm. Great breakdown guys. 👍 Excited for the next video. One thing to note is that these guys are experts in their respective fields and yet they are humble enough to admit that they are still learning and improving, even the little things. That's the mark of a true student of the martial arts. Never stop progressing.
I’m probably not the only person to have requested the Jason bourne series but I remember mentioning it and you acknowledged it so I told the mrs it was because of my suggestion, that’s my truth and I’m sticking to it lol you guys are awesome, so glad to see another video!!
guyverkiller1234, thanks for the support and the suggestion for doing this scene - great idea and prob one of our fave vids to shoot. Keep those suggestions coming!
@@ScenicFights Will do. The bourne saga has some other amazing fights too, like the scene Bourne vs Desh in Bourne Ultimatum, where they use a gun, a trophy, a book, a razor and a towel in the same fight.
Love the fight scene breakdown! Can you some breakdowns from both Daredevil and Punisher (Netflix versions) both had several fight scenes in different locations. Hallways, prison and bathroom. Keep up the good work.
Sweet video, how did I forget this recommendation? Lol.... funny how combatants or people who are trained look @ scenes and left asking 'WHY'? We forget- it's just a movie. Life& art imitating each other. Great video fellas🤙☯️
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That arm twist at 4:50 looks like it was _supposed_ to be an Aikido-inspired 2-joint lock. With the correct grip on the wrist joint and enough torsion (to apply pressure to the elbow joint and lock it), Jason would have been able to prevent the attacker from standing and/or circling him, and it would be easy to apply more pressure to cause pain, or even to break the elbow (which is honestly what he should have done in the first place, if he was able to catch his arm like that). Unfortunately, as you mentioned, that elbow was not being controlled at all... there wasn't enough torsion or pressure being applied to either joint (seeing as the attacker was able to maintain his grip on the weapon), not to mention Jason's stance was *very* sloppy. All in all, a good idea using Aikido like that, but poorly executed/choreographed.
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@@ScenicFights you guys have already showcased a lot of my favorite action movies. I'm impressed by your selections already but I'd love some more indepth stuff with Tony Jaa and Iko Uwais. Some fun scenes off the top of my head are the hallway scene in Old Boy (the original), another iconic hallway scene in The Raid (which you guys touched on it already), and Hemsworth vs. Randeep Hooda in Extraction.
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This was my favorite fight. I like to think that Jason knew he was better. He didn't finish the fight with the pen because he wanted to interrogate. As he does in the next part
Amazing video guys! As always Its very interesting see the unarmed Logan experience, its something new and i hope to see that type of info in future videos. An also Chad talked more about striking, and that something that i also like. Again, very good video. I hope you guys keep going with this amazing job!
Glad you enjoyed it! I was surprised myself with Logan's empty hands skills. I'm learning something new about him every shoot. We will def explore other areas of Kali in the future with Logan. Thanks as always for the support! We will do more anime breakdowns in your honor lol.
Awesome video guys. Kali & Eskrima are fantastic martial arts, but never seem to get talked about. So thank you both for shedding so light on it. Also how about a breakdown of RE:Born with Tak Sakaguchi, the part where he uses an empty gun mag to launch a pen into a guy's neck was awesome, if not a little unrealistic
@@ScenicFights lol be careful. An interesting side note, the first time I actually reconized Kali being used is by Ernie Reyes Jr. In The Rundown, & that's only because I recognized Reyes Jr. from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, as well as Surf Ninjas, which also had his dad in it, Ernie Reyes Sr. Another Martial art that seems to get little notice (however that is changing) is Silat from Indonesia. Obviously anything with Iko Uwais will have Silat in it (since he's a practitioner of it), such as the Raid movies, Merantau, the Night Comes for Us, & an interesting one that has Iko Uwais, Tony Jaa, & Tiger Chen, Triple Threat. Another interesting breakdown would be the HBO show The Warrior, which is kinda an ode to Bruce Lee
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@@ScenicFights it's pretty nice to know that! Also of course, for example, I remember some good knives fights in Wu Assasins (with Iko Uwais) and the fight of Imai Cosmo in Kengan Ashura. I will always support this channel as the fan I am👌
What an excellent fight scene in an near perfect trilogy (we like to pretend these movies end here). Only one that rivals this pen scene is the fight with Desh in Bourne Ultimatum. Very cool breakdown of a kinetic, brutal fight! Edit: 8:51 - hell yeah, Undertaker reference!
I really only liked the first one because I just hate that story-tellers use the death of a woman to move the man's story forward. It's lame and overused.
@@logan607 Fully agree that it is a trope that is done to death. I appreciate the Borne trilogy provided some justification as the bad guy didn't kill the girl to get a rise out of our hero, but it was a genuine case of mistaken identity. Can agree that first is best overall!
Chad mentioning bare-knuckle sport brings me to the RDJ bare-knuckle fight scene in Sherlock Holmes. i know that RDJ basically wing chun his way out of the sorry ass bloke but I love to see you guys doing the breakdown of the scene :)
An interesting thing I noted is that there's a lot of Karate -Kali crossover. In my Karate class we even did some Kali drills with sticks, and some similar flow drills with empty hands.
Thank you! Our breakdown of The Hunted also shows a good amount of Kali: ruclips.net/video/UxfkSrOq1BY/видео.html Is there any other Pekiti Tirsia Kali fight scene that we can breakdown for you? Let us know in the comments below or on our Discord!
Ur videos make me happy esp the knife ones always waiting for ur uploads Also get so much knowledge from yall thank u so much for putting out content! Watch all the reviews
Although the pen stab discussed at 8:00 is relevant in a real fight, I think you've also got to remember the narrative decision of this fight scene - although Bourne's an assassin, he has amnesia and his "killer" instinct is not to cause the most amount of damage but to defend himself. For the most part I think his state of mind is reflected in the choreography, because he's reacting instinctually - though the assassin sent to kill him could have been more effective, if Bourne didn't have plot armour. That's my only nitpick, other than that this is a really good video.
@@ScenicFights - Sure brother. How about analysing the Japanese - Ruoroni Kenshin series of movies with Takeru Satoh, if you haven’t done that one yet. Or what about the Ninja Assassin (2008) with the Korean “Rain”?
The Man From Nowhere is amazing! One of our favorites and that's why we did two videos on that fight scene. For those that haven't watched our Man From Nowhere breakdown here you go: The Man From Nowhere Part 1 Breakdown: ruclips.net/video/ioUBE7P7TNQ/видео.html The Man From Nowhere Part 2 Breakdown: ruclips.net/video/nKP_iySGGuI/видео.html
I just noticed something now that I'd like to point out to Chad, Jason wasn't exactly blocking/parrying with both hands. If you look closely, he's actually stabbing the arm/biceps/forearms while he was parrying/deflecting the attacks. I wouldn't say it's an effective strategy, I'm not a practitioner, but unless you have a weapon, I agree with Chad about not committing to a 2-hand block/deflect. But since Jason has a pen, he can attack and defend at the exact same time.
@@ScenicFights do it or not, still love your breakdown!! realistic and really useful and fun even for a rookie like me with no martial arts background 🙏🙏 keep on the good work!
Guys, this was a great breakdown and i liek the fact you both had opposing views by looking at the weapons, striking and grappling. I like this approach. I have always been a little skeptical of push daggers, they always seemed a clumsy weapon for a lack of training, this kinda of adds to this theory. KEEP IT UP!
Push Daggers are convenient for strikers without weapon backgrounds, but again, not sure why anyone would want to carry one when better options are available. With that being said, we will do more breakdowns with Chad/Logan giving their grades respectively. There are always many opposing sides in how fight scenes should be done.
One of the things to keep in mind is he doesn't want to necessarily end the fight and stab in the neck and such as he is wanting to extract information out of him.
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lmao! This comment wins.
For those new to the channel though, Logan is a Pekiti Tirsia Kali Instructor.
He lost a bet and so I labeled him as a Pen Fighter, but he does teaches how to fight with a Pen using Kali skills!
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lol
@@ScenicFights the fight between Jason Statham and Jet Li in War
@@ScenicFights Jackie vs benny in wheels on meals, please
@@armaankhokhar7651 We had the honor to meet Benny "The Jet" Urquidez and he had nothing but good things to say about Jackie Chan and that fight scene. It's one of the best martial arts fight scenes ever on film. Good choice.
I think it is worth noting that Bourne didn’t want to kill his assailant because he hadn’t regained his memory and was desperate for any information the attacker could potentially provide. That could be a plausible explanation for his choice of targets with the pen.
Yes, it's almost like movies often tell stories via fights... . For example the "hands down fighting stance" and body language especially by Castell may be a symbol for their brain washing like programming on aggression.
Wtf is uppercut palm strike?
I don’t see any mention of an “uppercut palm strike” in the comments, but I assume it would be similar in technique to a “regular” uppercut, only the strike would be delivered by the palm as opposed to the knuckles… Again, I’m only speculating and I have zero context to utilize in order to gain a better understanding.
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Oh, I see, it was mentioned in the video itself. I thought you were asking me to clarify something I said. My mistake, many apologies.
I get jealous sometimes that Logan and Chad's intimacy is closer than I am with my wife. lol
Rum and jits makes everything better.
Perhaps watch our videos together with your wife?
*fanfic*
Have you tried practicing a Choke hold on your wife? 😂
Maybe that will raise it to another level?
As a high level Kali guy, I fucking love seeing your destructions and explanations you walked us through. Keep up the good work!
That means a lot to us! It's always awesome to get approval from kali practitioners, especially someone as high level as yourself. Much appreciated.
As other high level FMA guy ( not sure what that means ...) I don't need beginner lesson talk like "defanging the snake" via glancing cuts ( do that on a throat stab) or weaponless "gunting" via hit instead of catching the whole arm if the scissor contact works. I can understand that one does this " teaching by mistake " of the FMA on YT. But it gives me nothing.
People are different.
I personally feel push daggers are very underrated when it comes to a back up or last resort tool. Especially a well made one. If there's no chance of creating distance for yourself, it's the way to go with a such a concealed piece. Love the break down by the way.
Totally agree! The push dagger is a great self defense tool. Glad you enjoy the breakdown. If you haven't yet, subscribe and check out our other breakdowns which include John Wick: ruclips.net/video/xHrqHulxK7c/видео.html
I gotta say Jeff Imada's fight choreography in the Bourne movies was awesome to watch.
I love this kind of analysis. Bruce Lee said there were techniques and movements good for movies, realistic fights are difficult to observe for the untrained eye, that's why many techniques look "convincing" but not realistic or strategically correct, like the hand stab. The longer and flashy the fight, the better for the producers. Great video as always.
Very true and Bruce Lee was a legend.
We had a fun time ranking his movies in this video: ruclips.net/video/O_vG0fPPaQI/видео.html
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
I love that this fight scene got drastically different grades from an MMA/BJJ perspective versus a Pekiti-Tirsia Kali perspective. To be honest though, I'm more used to the weapon work of a fight scene being worse than the grappling/hand-to-hand stuff. Good to see the Jason Bourne team at least got the improvised weapon aspect right. I've trained in improvised weapons for some time now, so it was nice to see that Kali takes a similar approach. Since a pen isn't really a traditional weapon, the mind has to be extra strong not to go too far with it, so I wonder how much Matt Damon had to train in order to NOT actually stab his scene partner with it.
Great comment and insight as always RLA! It seems ppl are liking the double grade so we might do it more. It really helps give the different perspectives between two different martial artist that train entirely different martial arts.
I know Jason Bourne legacy identify supremacy ultimatum are kali mainly and panantukan grappling according to jeff imada and Jason Bourne interview. And Jason Bourne 2016 is some krav maga and kali martial arts.
Our boy Chad can break down fights but can't break down ways to a woman's heart it seems
Do the bathroom fight scene from mission impossible fallout, it’s got clear action and camera work compared to the shaky cam in the bourne franchise
Yeah that's a good fight! There's that awesome moment when Henry Cavill does that thing where he reloads his biceps.
@@SchmokinJoe reloading the arms is tactically advantageous in that situation
@@SchmokinJoe I never understood why people where so focused on that.
@@SantosAl Because they used it in the trailer and because it's pretty cool. That's my guess.
That still forever is one of my favorite fight scenes in film
It was mad raw
Wow Another KALI MARTIAL ART FIGHT BREAKDOWN LOVE THAT IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE CHAD
AND LOGAN PERFECT SIR👌👍🤟.
So glad you guys are uploading again. Your content is unrivalled
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This scene was one of my favorites in the trilogy and I remember going to the theatre multiple times almost for this fight alone. Super cool breakdown! I'm glad I stumbled across this channel.
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@@ScenicFights definitely Metal Gear
The speed that you two display, or act out, your edged weapons are scary sometimes. Really shows the trust you two have.
It scares us sometimes too! It happens so unexpectedly on camera but the weapons props are safe.
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Another great piece of knowledge and humor 👌🏻👌🏻💪🏻
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah Chad and Logan can actually be funny lol.
I'm pretty sure the title just means "writer"
Note to self: Don't punch faces with bare knuckles
Palm strike all the way!
@@ScenicFights oh yeah guys. I just remembered something. Would you consider reviewing manga fights?
Basically, it would be like the kengan ashura episode you did but with a comic book. I know one that actually explains "real" moves. I think the author was an underground / street fighter or something.
You had to be told this, the human head is a collection of dense bones,. the human hand lots of little ones.
You can load up a palm strike like a punch, put your bodyweight into it.
@@ufc990 Its all in the legs and hips for me
This isn't one particular scene, but maybe an interesting project for you guys would be the collective fights in the film Brawl In Cellblock 99. Both of you are very informative and entertaining and I look forward to whatever you put out, regardless of whether I've seen the film or not.
I really like how kali works, maybe explain more about it in the future? Appreciate your hardwork!!
Of course! All our breakdowns with Logan has some form of kali including, The Hunted with Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro: ruclips.net/video/UxfkSrOq1BY/видео.html we will go even more in depth with kali in the future.
@Player Zero Yes! Most of the FMA (kali/eskrima/arnis) drills do require a partner since you're mostly working on flows and sinawali movements. Since it's a beginner class (most likely?), working with 1 partner is preferred to minimize surprises/injuries to get the basics out and work on techniques/speed. Learning to spar with different partners add to the spice since some people have "heavy hands"...
Loved the Thor/Loki bit:"I'll have words with him later". Priceless.
Awesome stuff as always!
I love kali, people seem to think it's all weapons. It's not. Extremely useful, like riding a bike, after a while you find a rhythm and can do all kinds of stuff. Because you can see the lines. It's weird.
Kali is a great martial arts! It's very practical in street fights. Once you get familiar with the kali sticks, you can use the same movement with any other improvised weapon you might find in the streets.
@@ScenicFights And you can actually do the same thing you do with the weapons with empty hands.
Your analysis of this scene shows a superb knowledge of empty handed as well as edged weapons combat. All in all, you are very dangerous Men in my humble opinion. Glad that you are Good Guys. Great video.😎👍🏾
Kali is so interesting, the hand movements and trapping remind of a mantis stance or style.
The movement of Kali (imo) is certainly nice on the eyes.
I watch Bourne Identity at least twice a year one of my all time fav films. Freaking loved the analysis boyos!
Another upload, another comment from the legendary Pil Chun. The Bourne Identity is a great film!
Can’t wait for you guys to react to the raid 2 kitchen fight scene, even though it’s not kali, but I am pretty damn sure that logan is able to break it down cause Silat and kali is in the same family, but there are different roots that makes them different
Yesss dude!
Yes! I would love to see a break down of any of movies with Iko Iwais.
YESS
Yes please, Raid breakdowns! Or better yet, what about Merantau? It's a less known Uwais movie from Gareth Evans and it would've been nice to see it, not just Raid.
These breakdowns are much more thorough than others I’ve seen. Great content
Damn, I love this channel. This is again a cool breakdown. Now I guess Bourne should teach Wick some weapons training and Wick should teach Bourne grappling and jiu-jitsu lol. Keep making more content guys. You're amazing. And pls do check out John Wick shinobi fight scene. Imo, the karambit work in that fight wasn't realistic at all but the grappling was. Would like to see you both break it down.
Happy that you're enjoying the content. We love ourselves some John Wick. Looking into it.
Its about time! Been rewatching your old videos while on Quarantine here at home lollll..was like, "when is a new vid coming"?
Thank you!!!
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@@ScenicFights oh my pleasure! You guys put ALOT into your videos so I appreciate YOU!
My faves are the Man From Nowhere Karambit breakdown and Steven Segal showing he doesn't know how to handle a knife episode 😅.
What I'd like to see a breakdown of is how realistic in general the knife fights are in the series on hbo max called "Warrior" (it's screenplay was adapted from a story written by Bruce Lee).
The series is basically all knife and sword fighting. It's about the hatchet men of the early Chinese mafia.
@@SemperFi_EDC_Guy We're very familiar with Warrior! It's something we are discussing with the team, because one of our core members is a huge fan of the series and wants us to do a breakdown from Warrior too lol. Thanks again for the awesome comment.
@@ScenicFights that would be awesome if u can! There's ALOT to choose from on Warrior! Alot! Hope to see it happen! Be well!
Yes! Finally it's here
You guys do such a great job with your explanation and “what would I do”. Thanks for another great vid!
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It would be really fun to see your reaction to the fight between Frank Castle (Thomas Jane) vs The Russian (Kevin Nash) and talk about what to do with a size difference! Or just have fun watching the sequence!
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There's a branch of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) that's generally called pugilism, which is old European unarmed combat. Boxing existed with gloves of course, but pugilism as it's studied now focuses more on the actual self-defense aspect. It uses tons of palm strikes. If you go back a hundred years or more and take modern medicine out of the equation, breaking your hand was a devastating wound that could leave you unable to perform a trade for the rest of your life. It could leave you worse than dead. The closed-fist fighting that we take for granted nowadays is an incredibly recent thing to become common. Great stuff guys
This is one of my absolute favourite comments on Scenic Fights. Thank you for it. Fascinating.
Awesome breakdown, as always guys! When I worked LE, I carried a Cold Steel push dagger on my ankle inside my boot, in case someone was in my guard, with their legs above my duty belt. One of my friends on a different department, almost died in said situation, if she didn’t have backup. I worked alone most of the time, so, after that, if I got in the same situation, I could grab the dagger from my ankle, go for the ribs or the neck, given the severity of the situation.
It's a great and versatile self defense weapon that you can easily conceal. Thanks for sharing your story!
History of pen/pencils as a form of weapon:
1) Jason Bourne
2) The Joker (2008)
3) John........W....Wick....
4) Logan Lo
Man that tattoo on your left arm looks sick! Nice motive
Chad is working on getting both arms! What else should he tattoo?
Let's not keep encouraging this.
Thanks, buddy. Shout out to Jason Monroe from Electric Anvil Tattoo and Piercing in Brooklyn.
wanna see more of Bourne and John... I love watching u guys honestly.
I think part of the suggestion of the scene (though the camera work doesn't help this at all) choreography of the rear naked choke, is that Jason Bourne is the one who prevents his fellow assassin from getting proper head placement or hooks. How might you have choreographed the scene to show the rear naked choke attempt as competent but still defeated by Jason Bourne to make his escape to turn the tables, showing Jason Bourne as the more skilled assassin?
That's a great point! We should have focused a bit more on what Jason did right in that instance to prevent the choke.
they are on par equal skills... just that bourne has keener instinct of MUST WIN...
Boxing is the best for street fights, I have never seen a boxer lose a fight in the streets.
Yeah, most people throw wild haymakers Which should be simple for any boxer
@@KaitouKaiju I studied boxing for my self defense and I have not had problems since, it gives you confidence, I once won a fight by simply ducking, slipping and rolling a dude's attacks. When I was young I had a friend who used to save us from bullies and thugs, the only weapon he used was a jab and a layback,dudes would fall flat out.
Nicely explained - your points on the handwork of Kali are particularly interesting you definitely see handwork in other styles like even karate but Kali pushes it to another level ...
Kali is an amazing martial arts! It's so versatile.
Ugh, this shaking cam and crazy cuts. Bourne made it popular and almost everyone copied it. It's just nauseating and hard to follow.
I agree but at least Bourne franchise has good choreography. I feel like other series use it more to hide bad choreography.
@@ScenicFights Yeah, I can definitely see that. However, the shaky cam also makes it hard to see it. My memory is hazy, but I think Bourne Identity fights were easier to follow than from other Bourne movies.
@@ScenicFights What hurts so much is that in order to SEE the good choreography at its best you have to watch the behind the scenes footage lmao
I'm so glad I found this channel.
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Thank you for listening to my recommendation :D
Loved the fight scene when i was younger. The "shaky cam" hand to hand combat didn't age very well but i was very curious about how realistic the knife and pen work was.
Great break down as always guys! I just love all of your videos :D
Of course! Great recommendation. It's a fantastic scene. Is there any other fight scene that you'd like us to breakdown?
@@ScenicFights i don't know if that's too violent but maybe the knife fight from Wild Card with Jason Statham? There is a lot happening in just a few minutes xD
Thank god another video from you guys... What a way to start my week!
Our pleasure! Glad to see you coming back again. Is there any other fight scene that you'd like to see us breakdown?
@@ScenicFights anything from Ong Bak, the raid (2) or Oldboy (the original of course)... thank you for your great content!
How about the apartment fight in James Bond? Im sure you'd love that one in particular. I believe Quantum of Solace is the specific one.
Bond stabbed the assassin on the neck with a pen
@@christopherelsten7317 Mr. Bond went straight for the finish.
Lol! Exactly... He went straight for the pen and forgot it on the side of his neck. One of my favorite scenes too, Excellent fighting skills and lots of disarming techniques.
James bond also kali mainly used and panantukan in his movies
this channel is a hidden gem! i really hope you guys do regular weekly upload, cause you guys are literally an easy mil in subs based on your content
It's so entertaining watching Logan and Chad breakdown fight scenes. They make such an awesome, expert, comedy duo. 👍
Thank you! We have more awesome stuff coming your way.
Commenting for the algorithm. Great breakdown guys. 👍 Excited for the next video. One thing to note is that these guys are experts in their respective fields and yet they are humble enough to admit that they are still learning and improving, even the little things. That's the mark of a true student of the martial arts. Never stop progressing.
I’m probably not the only person to have requested the Jason bourne series but I remember mentioning it and you acknowledged it so I told the mrs it was because of my suggestion, that’s my truth and I’m sticking to it lol you guys are awesome, so glad to see another video!!
You can tell the Mrs. that we did this fight scene as per requested by you, guyverkiller1234! 100% confirmed.
Screenshot my next comment and show your wife.
guyverkiller1234, thanks for the support and the suggestion for doing this scene - great idea and prob one of our fave vids to shoot. Keep those suggestions coming!
This channel is so underrated, impressive breakdown.
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@@ScenicFights Will do. The bourne saga has some other amazing fights too, like the scene Bourne vs Desh in Bourne Ultimatum, where they use a gun, a trophy, a book, a razor and a towel in the same fight.
This day just got a lot better😍
Glad we can make the day better! Really appreciate the support.
I love how fast Logan is with his knife motion
He slows down for the camera! We will tell Logan to go faster next time.
Cool breakdown!
Logan's last line...priceless!
Scenic fight is my new go to channel now!
Good choice.
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Another great and informative video. Training with you guys is on my bucket list for sure
Come for the violence; stay for the best pizza on the planet.
We will make it happen, one way or another. You know where to find us!
Love the fight scene breakdown!
Can you some breakdowns from both Daredevil and Punisher (Netflix versions) both had several fight scenes in different locations. Hallways, prison and bathroom. Keep up the good work.
There is so many good kali with Daredevil.
Sweet video, how did I forget this recommendation? Lol.... funny how combatants or people who are trained look @ scenes and left asking 'WHY'? We forget- it's just a movie. Life& art imitating each other. Great video fellas🤙☯️
These guys give me so much joy
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@@ScenicFights The scene doesn't matter, you make it special.
That arm twist at 4:50 looks like it was _supposed_ to be an Aikido-inspired 2-joint lock. With the correct grip on the wrist joint and enough torsion (to apply pressure to the elbow joint and lock it), Jason would have been able to prevent the attacker from standing and/or circling him, and it would be easy to apply more pressure to cause pain, or even to break the elbow (which is honestly what he should have done in the first place, if he was able to catch his arm like that).
Unfortunately, as you mentioned, that elbow was not being controlled at all... there wasn't enough torsion or pressure being applied to either joint (seeing as the attacker was able to maintain his grip on the weapon), not to mention Jason's stance was *very* sloppy. All in all, a good idea using Aikido like that, but poorly executed/choreographed.
One of these days this channel will blow up. Not in the bad way. In the recognition of quality content way. Keep it up Scenic Fights.
Thanks as always Kenneth for the encouragement and blessings! We just take it video by video and see where we go from there. We appreciate the constant support. Is there any other fight scene that you'd like us to breakdown next?
@@ScenicFights you guys have already showcased a lot of my favorite action movies. I'm impressed by your selections already but I'd love some more indepth stuff with Tony Jaa and Iko Uwais. Some fun scenes off the top of my head are the hallway scene in Old Boy (the original), another iconic hallway scene in The Raid (which you guys touched on it already), and Hemsworth vs. Randeep Hooda in Extraction.
Im addicted to this channel
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This was my favorite fight.
I like to think that Jason knew he was better. He didn't finish the fight with the pen because he wanted to interrogate. As he does in the next part
Narratively, for sure. Jason let him live so that he can interrogate with. It's a fantastic fight scene.
Amazing video guys! As always
Its very interesting see the unarmed Logan experience, its something new and i hope to see that type of info in future videos. An also Chad talked more about striking, and that something that i also like.
Again, very good video. I hope you guys keep going with this amazing job!
Glad you enjoyed it! I was surprised myself with Logan's empty hands skills. I'm learning something new about him every shoot. We will def explore other areas of Kali in the future with Logan. Thanks as always for the support! We will do more anime breakdowns in your honor lol.
@@ScenicFights Thank bro! I really apresiate it!
Brilliant content; grateful for the breakdown by clearly experienced practitioners; delivery was insightful but accessible..and lighthearted
Keep up the great work! This channel is amazing
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@@ScenicFights I love the channel soo I’ll watch anything
I love your guy's analysis
I adore the depth
Always love these. Usually don't laugh so hard. This was lots of fun, thanks.
Glad you great time with us! That's our goal. Thank you for the comment.
What a bout breaking Down the last
Two fight Scenes in the night comes for us
Dude, you said you'd leave the cap on, that was freaking me out !
Still my favourite movie series. Good stuff dudes.
Matt Damon is amazing in The Bourne Identity! You can tell he really worked hard with Jack Imada to practice his Kali.
♥️ Keep up the good work
Awesome video guys. Kali & Eskrima are fantastic martial arts, but never seem to get talked about. So thank you both for shedding so light on it. Also how about a breakdown of RE:Born with Tak Sakaguchi, the part where he uses an empty gun mag to launch a pen into a guy's neck was awesome, if not a little unrealistic
RE:Born with Tak Sakaguchi is on our list! Maybe we can get Logan to launch a pen into Chad's neck for "fun" lol.
@@ScenicFights lol be careful. An interesting side note, the first time I actually reconized Kali being used is by Ernie Reyes Jr. In The Rundown, & that's only because I recognized Reyes Jr. from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, as well as Surf Ninjas, which also had his dad in it, Ernie Reyes Sr.
Another Martial art that seems to get little notice (however that is changing) is Silat from Indonesia. Obviously anything with Iko Uwais will have Silat in it (since he's a practitioner of it), such as the Raid movies, Merantau, the Night Comes for Us, & an interesting one that has Iko Uwais, Tony Jaa, & Tiger Chen, Triple Threat.
Another interesting breakdown would be the HBO show The Warrior, which is kinda an ode to Bruce Lee
this channel deserves more subs!!!
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Really good breakdown! I'm glad y'all still active, I was kinda worried, wish ya luck!
Of course! We will always keep posting. The day we decide to stop (which will be never), we will let everyone know. Thanks for being a subscriber and fan! Is there any other fight scene that you'd like us to breakdown next?
@@ScenicFights it's pretty nice to know that! Also of course, for example, I remember some good knives fights in Wu Assasins (with Iko Uwais) and the fight of Imai Cosmo in Kengan Ashura. I will always support this channel as the fan I am👌
@@juanmontero4748 I know exactly the scenes you are discussing ;)
@@ScenicFights Oof that's great, I'll wait for at least one of them, thanks!
Getting addicted with kali contents! I hope I can learn soon.
What an excellent fight scene in an near perfect trilogy (we like to pretend these movies end here). Only one that rivals this pen scene is the fight with Desh in Bourne Ultimatum.
Very cool breakdown of a kinetic, brutal fight!
Edit: 8:51 - hell yeah, Undertaker reference!
I really only liked the first one because I just hate that story-tellers use the death of a woman to move the man's story forward. It's lame and overused.
I guess John Wick brought a twist to that with a dog ;)
@@logan607 Fully agree that it is a trope that is done to death. I appreciate the Borne trilogy provided some justification as the bad guy didn't kill the girl to get a rise out of our hero, but it was a genuine case of mistaken identity.
Can agree that first is best overall!
5:32 Come on, you aren't that old. you should try it.
We need Logan healthy and able for more breakdowns. Can't have him pulling his back on us lol.
My back hurts just reading this.
Chad mentioning bare-knuckle sport brings me to the RDJ bare-knuckle fight scene in Sherlock Holmes. i know that RDJ basically wing chun his way out of the sorry ass bloke but I love to see you guys doing the breakdown of the scene :)
An interesting thing I noted is that there's a lot of Karate -Kali crossover. In my Karate class we even did some Kali drills with sticks, and some similar flow drills with empty hands.
Love the channel, keep the videos coming!
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Exelent !!! Thank you . Greetings from Belgrade , Serbia
Many thanks! Belgrade is a beautiful city.
You guys really need to react to more of kengan ashura since there are a bunch of MMA styles there!
Of course we are. The King of Stranglers is our favorite.
Yes also some fights from hajime no ippo or baki
@@ohmytobiii7562 Which fight scene from Hajime No Ippo or Baki? Let us know in our Discord!
@@ScenicFights can you link/post you discord. I galdy give some great scenes
@@ohmytobiii7562 discord.gg/zJg5pws here you go!
Really enjoying the kali videos
Thank you! Our breakdown of The Hunted also shows a good amount of Kali: ruclips.net/video/UxfkSrOq1BY/видео.html
Is there any other Pekiti Tirsia Kali fight scene that we can breakdown for you? Let us know in the comments below or on our Discord!
This channel is amazing
Love u guys uwu
Still wait kengan Ashura videos😌
I'm ok with the gap between breakdowns - can't overdose on the coolest fighting anime just yet! Although the next season NEEDS TO COME OUT ALREADY
We have more anime and Kengan Ashura breakdowns on the way. Is there any particular fight scene you'd like us to focus on?
@@ScenicFights Cosmo vs. Akoya (or Cosmo vs. Dudley). All kinds of grappling vs. striking in its purest form!
@@ScenicFights maybe you can see the whole "Imai Cosmo" match he's good at using locking techniques
The best duo team on youtube keep up tye awesome work guys
Thanks for the awesome comment! We really appreciate it. Is there any other martial arts fight scene that you still would like to see us breakdown?
@@ScenicFights sure. A movie called unleashed with jet li.
Ur videos make me happy esp the knife ones always waiting for ur uploads
Also get so much knowledge from yall thank u so much for putting out content! Watch all the reviews
Thanks for the support and awesome comment. We have a lot more knife scenes on the way! Feel free to join our discord to see what we are working on.
Wish i could learn bjj and knife skills! Have a great week! Discord in description?
Although the pen stab discussed at 8:00 is relevant in a real fight, I think you've also got to remember the narrative decision of this fight scene - although Bourne's an assassin, he has amnesia and his "killer" instinct is not to cause the most amount of damage but to defend himself. For the most part I think his state of mind is reflected in the choreography, because he's reacting instinctually - though the assassin sent to kill him could have been more effective, if Bourne didn't have plot armour. That's my only nitpick, other than that this is a really good video.
Pls do some scenes from Extraction. I think that movie was really great.
Really good analysis. Plus the occasional funny comments are good too. 😂
Keep it up guys.
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed our breakdowns. If there are any other fight scenes you'd like to see us breakdown, please let us know!
@@ScenicFights - Sure brother.
How about analysing the Japanese - Ruoroni Kenshin series of movies with Takeru Satoh, if you haven’t done that one yet.
Or what about the Ninja Assassin (2008) with the Korean “Rain”?
i just finished per your recommendation at an older video The Man From Nowhere ....damn this movie was AWESOME ...THANK YOU :)
The Man From Nowhere is amazing! One of our favorites and that's why we did two videos on that fight scene. For those that haven't watched our Man From Nowhere breakdown here you go:
The Man From Nowhere Part 1 Breakdown: ruclips.net/video/ioUBE7P7TNQ/видео.html
The Man From Nowhere Part 2 Breakdown: ruclips.net/video/nKP_iySGGuI/видео.html
@@ScenicFights its AWESOME stuff guyz :)
@2:16, I think Bourne walks toward Castel because Castel sees Marie. Coming at him is going to keep Marie alive.
I remember being a kid and watching him mess that guy up with the pen, I was shook for week 😂
I just noticed something now that I'd like to point out to Chad, Jason wasn't exactly blocking/parrying with both hands. If you look closely, he's actually stabbing the arm/biceps/forearms while he was parrying/deflecting the attacks. I wouldn't say it's an effective strategy, I'm not a practitioner, but unless you have a weapon, I agree with Chad about not committing to a 2-hand block/deflect. But since Jason has a pen, he can attack and defend at the exact same time.
THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERING!!!!!!! :D Finally my man Bourne!!!
maybe next time do some re-grade of Raid Redemption? Cheers and great vid break down as usual!
We did do your Jason Bourne breakdown so you can expect us to your other request too :P
@@ScenicFights do it or not, still love your breakdown!! realistic and really useful and fun even for a rookie like me with no martial arts background 🙏🙏 keep on the good work!
Early viewer here From the 🇵🇭,Awesome video both of you😮.
You're a pioneer, thanks!
Thank you for the support, buddy.
You rock! Thanks for enjoying our breakdown so early! Is there any other fight scene that you would like us to breakdown?
Bruh I love this channel. I leave each video feeling like a martial artist. Probably gonna get clapped if I try this on folks tho
haha run if you find yourself in a knife fight. No cap. However, I do recommend taking kali classes near your location if any classes are available.
Guys, this was a great breakdown and i liek the fact you both had opposing views by looking at the weapons, striking and grappling. I like this approach. I have always been a little skeptical of push daggers, they always seemed a clumsy weapon for a lack of training, this kinda of adds to this theory. KEEP IT UP!
Push Daggers are convenient for strikers without weapon backgrounds, but again, not sure why anyone would want to carry one when better options are available. With that being said, we will do more breakdowns with Chad/Logan giving their grades respectively. There are always many opposing sides in how fight scenes should be done.
@@ScenicFights Ha i'll stick with a good quality blade.
Yeah that would be great to see thanks.
Awesome fight scene breakdown from such awesome bromance.
One of the things to keep in mind is he doesn't want to necessarily end the fight and stab in the neck and such as he is wanting to extract information out of him.