Shows how different it is from the movies . In real life with people that know what they are doing its small and fast movements and you ARE getting cut or stabbed or both. We break out the magic markers sometimes to show the hits. We all end up looking like road maps .
Sometimes. Tho they are playing. In real life if you fear death yeah, you make extra sure to take your enemies down as quickly as possible. If you fear man and just fear to fear, you will lose all fights and surely die. Engage any fight as if it is going to be your last day on this Earth. Always take much pride in your soul. Look after yourselves. Be patient. Learn to not fear humans. If you fear death, you will head into any battle fearless. You fear death to overcome your opponents. Even if it means that the possibility of you dying is high probability. You head into that battle regardless. Men fear those men who fear death. A man who has everything to lose is more dangerous a man than a man who fears life. A man who fears life has not a thing to lose & not a thing to gain. A man who fears life is a man who is afraid of everything. Remember this comrade & topple your foes.
@@ucfj You should film some vids with all those "knife defense" gurus & draw some roadmaps all over their idiot skulls " To be clear, there IS such a thing as knife defense. People are just saying, you can't really expect to get into a knife fight and not be cut at all. You can avoid being cut in vital places. For example a cut on the outside of your forearm, while it will bleed, will probably not cause you to bleed to death. 🙂 (Just like in unarmed self defense: how likely do you think it is that the other guy won't get in a single strike?? How many western boxing matches have you seen where one guy has no bruises and the other guy is knocked out? It happens, but it's rare. The question is, how badly do you get hurt.)
Noticed why the guy on the left is more effective? He uses a stabbing movement and makes a 'straight lead'. The guy on the left is equally fast but uses a slashing movement more, hence loses time and telegraphs to his opponent more.
And they make terrible weapons. You have no range and defenses besides voiding, the chance of getting hit while attacking is way too high. I'll take a longsword, sabre or arming sword & buckler any day of the week.
@@dunmermage Lol. On the contrary, knives are some of the best weapons for CQC that are easily concealable. Good luck carrying around your sword and buckler to any public setting without marking yourself off as an obvious target.
I love playing "poison" blade. I think it's an excellent opening game (among others) to get people thinking about the problem, so that when you do the rest of the training they're able to more easily visualize how what they are learning fits into getting better at a fight.
this looks like fun i should also buy fake knives and do this in public to see how long it would take in my country to get arrested for misunderstandings
True kasi pag real na talaga ang nasa isip mo is maka survive that situation... Pero nanduon padin ang skills mo.. thank you sa pag share nyu ng video...
tama at hindi ka rin naman basta bastang makakagalaw lalo't alom mong marunong din kalaban mo. kaya kung sa surface, parang walang nangyayari sa sparring nila pero sa totoo pareho silang nag-iingat dahil pareho silang marunong sa kutsilyo kaya d ganun kadali na sumugod. hehehehe.
You don't even have to think about it, olympic fencing is by far the best for knife on knife. And this just shows it. Things become very linear and direct when the risk is so high and all these circular movement become hand work rather than footwork.Which is what olympic fencing is, extremely fast linear footwork and first touch wins.
And what about the off-hand? Also, most knives dont have a hand guard. Very different game in my opinion. That being said, any good fencer can totally adapt and kick ass in this ruleset no doubt. The skills carry over.
@@duskbladexCross training in any sport that requires to catch something with your hands will do: basketball, handball, warer polo, football etc... The person will have an elemental understanding rather than a technical one for the off hand but that is fine. They will see articulations as a ball and will be able to catch and deviate them.
@@duskbladexfor the hand guard, you are kind of right and wrong at rhe same time. It will need adjustements but a good epeist is used to hit small targets (head, foot, thigh) and would just aim for the hand. It would be very difficult for anyone that didn't practice to actually touch him anywhere if he was just defending/counter attacking. Olympic fencing is such a niche skill that anyone who knows it has a massive advantage on anyone else that doesn't in this particular configuration. Their linear footwork, very specific rather than general blade work, distance management, timing, précision, rythm, feints, explosive power, geometric knowledge, and understanding of leverage, position and advantage makes them miles ahead of any kendo, Kali, or Hema practioner for a real life knife on knife situation. I really appreciate all these arts as well but that's just how it is.
It doesn’t look much, but those tiny cuts that you can’t see with the naked eye accumulate. Before you know it you can’t feel your hand, then you can’t grip your blade because your veins and cartilage is cut
When I practiced sword fighting with my former trainer, we would use our legs to hit a lot. Basically it was enhanced muay thai with two swords. That opened some opportunities. However I never tested with a knife. You should not get cut to the leg either.
To the people saying that the training is different from the actual is because the opponents range has to be considered if its close, mid or long range.
No matter what the style or how long anyone has practiced, every sparring video looks the same and impossible to tell the first timer from the life long guru. . Basically you can learn all you need to learn about knife fighting in a few hours. Practicing martial arts for your entire life does not seem to provide any advantage in a knife fight. Dont believe me, spar with electric shock knives and see how quick years of training disappears.
Very true. In other martial arts - like in BJJ, Judo, wrestling, or boxing, a beginner would have virtually no chance against an experienced competitor. No chance at all. An NCAA D1 wrestler would DEMOLISH the average person, with no grappling experience, in seconds. But with knives/machetes/axes, it's different because you don't need as much skill. The blade does all the damage, and all one needs to do, to cause damage, is to hack, stab, or slice. It doesn't take much at all. No special skills are needed. No technical mastery is needed. Just basic, gross motor movement to stab, chop, or slice - almost anyone can do those things. Even small children.
@@user-sg8kq7ii3y agreed the motor skills used in knife attacks are built into our DNA that's why statistically most knife attacks are stabbing in an ice pick grip. Also almost no knife attack victims were in a "fight" they were stabbed before they knew there was even a threat. A lot of people are not even aware they have been stabbed until the attack is over.
those are all bullshit because actually fighting with knives is fucking terrifying and youre just trying not to die - a good movie example of the idea is 'the duelists' the characters are expert swordsmen but fight similar to this since fighting with giant razors is scary and the main goal is not getting maimed / dismembered
I looks similar to foil fencing. I reckon, at least in open spaces, a pro foiler would do much better in a knife fight than many knife martial artists. I guess the second hand is only of use in confined spaces. All in all, a great video, you are a true martial artist
No, it is nothing like foil fencing, cool observation, but no fencing is a sport it has literally nothing to do with real knife fights. And when fencers are doing that they are preparing the attack in real life thats not a thing.
@@sea509there's also a complaint that foil fencer basically allow themselve to get hit after landing their attacks plus in alot of systems un-armed attacks are included with arnis they learn that right before learning the knife further more movements in fencing are limited to back and fort with attacks being thrusts from the torsor area.
@@blackpowderkun there is no complaint like that, and no foil fencers dont let themselves get hit after an attack even without priority thats not a thing
Ive seen real knife fights on gore sites and if you reach your hands get disabled. These guys knows what they are doing. They are targetting hands. In gore videos whoever loses limbs tends to just bleedout first or just get rushed when he loses the ability to hold knife. (Then beheading or neck slicing happens) There is an isis video teaching knife targets on a real human and the subject went unconcious not long after a major artery is cut. Knives are nasty and brutal
In a knife fight the loser is expected to die on the spot while the winner is expected to die on his way to hospital.
speaking from experience?
@@puerrodios8013 yeah, i'm at heaven now.
@@johnrexmelendres9527 How's it up there?
@@DiamondCatAimer The management sucks. They said that the son of the CEO can magically make wine out of water but you can't see a single liquor here.
@@johnrexmelendres9527 Oh
Shows how different it is from the movies . In real life with people that know what they are doing its small and fast movements and you ARE getting cut or stabbed or both. We break out the magic markers sometimes to show the hits. We all end up looking like road maps .
I've read that one should expect to be injured during a knife fight. How badly is the part one can control.
Sometimes. Tho they are playing. In real life if you fear death yeah, you make extra sure to take your enemies down as quickly as possible. If you fear man and just fear to fear, you will lose all fights and surely die. Engage any fight as if it is going to be your last day on this Earth. Always take much pride in your soul. Look after yourselves. Be patient. Learn to not fear humans. If you fear death, you will head into any battle fearless. You fear death to overcome your opponents. Even if it means that the possibility of you dying is high probability. You head into that battle regardless. Men fear those men who fear death. A man who has everything to lose is more dangerous a man than a man who fears life. A man who fears life has not a thing to lose & not a thing to gain. A man who fears life is a man who is afraid of everything. Remember this comrade & topple your foes.
You should film some vids with all those "knife defense" gurus & draw some roadmaps all over their idiot skulls
True!
@@ucfj
You should film some vids with all those "knife defense" gurus & draw some roadmaps all over their idiot skulls
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To be clear, there IS such a thing as knife defense. People are just saying, you can't really expect to get into a knife fight and not be cut at all. You can avoid being cut in vital places. For example a cut on the outside of your forearm, while it will bleed, will probably not cause you to bleed to death. 🙂
(Just like in unarmed self defense: how likely do you think it is that the other guy won't get in a single strike?? How many western boxing matches have you seen where one guy has no bruises and the other guy is knocked out? It happens, but it's rare. The question is, how badly do you get hurt.)
I'd love to see this with 2 guys in all white and big red markers for the knives to see how it looks at the end
this is real life...thank you for good clip
Thanks for the appreciation!
You’re average encounter in the streets of London
Noticed why the guy on the left is more effective? He uses a stabbing movement and makes a 'straight lead'. The guy on the left is equally fast but uses a slashing movement more, hence loses time and telegraphs to his opponent more.
Nice work. Great reflexes and footwork.
This is extremely important to know
Knives are useful to use
Indeed!
And they make terrible weapons. You have no range and defenses besides voiding, the chance of getting hit while attacking is way too high. I'll take a longsword, sabre or arming sword & buckler any day of the week.
@@dunmermage good luck fitting any of those in your pocket, let alone carrying them in public
@@dunmermage bro what are you gonna do? Carry a longsword around in public??
@@dunmermage Lol. On the contrary, knives are some of the best weapons for CQC that are easily concealable. Good luck carrying around your sword and buckler to any public setting without marking yourself off as an obvious target.
It’s like fencing, but with smaller blades.
I teach traditional Italian knife/dagger fencing. Our open sparring looks 95% like this 🙂
@@rupertsedlmayr8491 Nice
That's right, enjoy the sparring. Play seriously but learn to laugh!!!
Indeed!
Best and most important comment here!! 100% agree!
I don't think that krav maga techniques work against this guys. They're too fast
Nothing works against someone with a knife on body combat... Youll get cut really bad before making any damage on the agressor, that been lucky.
Your opponent can't stab you if he doesn't have any fingers to hold his knife!
Amen.
More intense than fencing.
Actually, this is fencing! The word just means "people fighting with melee weapons".
@@rupertsedlmayr8491 touche, no pun intended
its always the filipinos 😂❤
Knives no joke. I've fought people with filet knives. Almost chopped my fingers off 🤦🙇
정말 현실적인 격검술입니다..
저는 한국에서 칼리를 수련하고 있습니다.
열심히 정진하겠습니다.
짧은 영상이지만 정말 많은 걸 배워갑니다.^^
Dapat may eye protector
It's Ok! This is just a controlled spar. No thrusting and no head attacks.
I love playing "poison" blade. I think it's an excellent opening game (among others) to get people thinking about the problem, so that when you do the rest of the training they're able to more easily visualize how what they are learning fits into getting better at a fight.
this looks like fun i should also buy fake knives and do this in public to see how long it would take in my country to get arrested for misunderstandings
now im no knife fighting expert but those guys legs seem hella exposed for a quick slash
Whoa it looks just like that hubud thing they do! Oh wait...no it doesn't.
Footwork is phenomenal
i should probably have a knife sparring session too if i wanna see the Big Ben
Where's all the flashy dojo moves?????
arms race endings be like
Me and my brother when we're bored
True kasi pag real na talaga ang nasa isip mo is maka survive that situation... Pero nanduon padin ang skills mo.. thank you sa pag share nyu ng video...
tama at hindi ka rin naman basta bastang makakagalaw lalo't alom mong marunong din kalaban mo. kaya kung sa surface, parang walang nangyayari sa sparring nila pero sa totoo pareho silang nag-iingat dahil pareho silang marunong sa kutsilyo kaya d ganun kadali na sumugod. hehehehe.
Feel like you need a shield for this
If one of them went for the face....
Uhm pill out my Glock 3 x done lol
You don't even have to think about it, olympic fencing is by far the best for knife on knife. And this just shows it. Things become very linear and direct when the risk is so high and all these circular movement become hand work rather than footwork.Which is what olympic fencing is, extremely fast linear footwork and first touch wins.
And what about the off-hand? Also, most knives dont have a hand guard. Very different game in my opinion. That being said, any good fencer can totally adapt and kick ass in this ruleset no doubt. The skills carry over.
@@duskbladexCross training in any sport that requires to catch something with your hands will do: basketball, handball, warer polo, football etc... The person will have an elemental understanding rather than a technical one for the off hand but that is fine. They will see articulations as a ball and will be able to catch and deviate them.
@@duskbladexfor the hand guard, you are kind of right and wrong at rhe same time. It will need adjustements but a good epeist is used to hit small targets (head, foot, thigh) and would just aim for the hand. It would be very difficult for anyone that didn't practice to actually touch him anywhere if he was just defending/counter attacking. Olympic fencing is such a niche skill that anyone who knows it has a massive advantage on anyone else that doesn't in this particular configuration. Their linear footwork, very specific rather than general blade work, distance management, timing, précision, rythm, feints, explosive power, geometric knowledge, and understanding of leverage, position and advantage makes them miles ahead of any kendo, Kali, or Hema practioner for a real life knife on knife situation. I really appreciate all these arts as well but that's just how it is.
A NORMAL DAY IN LONDON
He's reaching to far in! They both are!
Lisan Al Gaib
London Hema sparring
It doesn’t look much, but those tiny cuts that you can’t see with the naked eye accumulate. Before you know it you can’t feel your hand, then you can’t grip your blade because your veins and cartilage is cut
When I practiced sword fighting with my former trainer, we would use our legs to hit a lot. Basically it was enhanced muay thai with two swords. That opened some opportunities. However I never tested with a knife. You should not get cut to the leg either.
In my country people in prison fight like this
It's funny how often training goes out the window during sparring.
The opponents range has a factor if its close, mid or long range.
To the people saying that the training is different from the actual is because the opponents range has to be considered if its close, mid or long range.
Best defence is whereing a kevlar long sleeve. Then your basically immune to all slicing
Fencing by another name…not real knife fighting…defang the snake then back off…unrealistic
What is the name of this art ? or style of training?
I believe it is Kali/Eskrima.
kind of a strange thing to do on a public street...
Dune the movie
Shows all that tapi tapi Filipino or kung fu crap don’t work in real life
It’s so similar to boxing
Just give a lowkick
All those passes, locks and fancy disarms are nowhere to be seen
Because they both know they are both capable so the are being cautious with their attacks.
ye
Those come after u have been stabbed lol.
Haha
No matter what the style or how long anyone has practiced, every sparring video looks the same and impossible to tell the first timer from the life long guru. . Basically you can learn all you need to learn about knife fighting in a few hours. Practicing martial arts for your entire life does not seem to provide any advantage in a knife fight. Dont believe me, spar with electric shock knives and see how quick years of training disappears.
Very true. In other martial arts - like in BJJ, Judo, wrestling, or boxing, a beginner would have virtually no chance against an experienced competitor. No chance at all. An NCAA D1 wrestler would DEMOLISH the average person, with no grappling experience, in seconds. But with knives/machetes/axes, it's different because you don't need as much skill. The blade does all the damage, and all one needs to do, to cause damage, is to hack, stab, or slice. It doesn't take much at all. No special skills are needed. No technical mastery is needed. Just basic, gross motor movement to stab, chop, or slice - almost anyone can do those things. Even small children.
@@user-sg8kq7ii3y agreed the motor skills used in knife attacks are built into our DNA that's why statistically most knife attacks are stabbing in an ice pick grip. Also almost no knife attack victims were in a "fight" they were stabbed before they knew there was even a threat. A lot of people are not even aware they have been stabbed until the attack is over.
Which system do you guys train?
Awesome!!!
Thanks!
The "don't touch me !" vibes hit till Antarctica
Which country is this?
philippines
Where's the trapping, arm breaks and disarms i see in other videos?
it's on those other videos 😂😂😂😂
those are only for drills man
those are all bullshit because actually fighting with knives is fucking terrifying and youre just trying not to die - a good movie example of the idea is 'the duelists' the characters are expert swordsmen but fight similar to this since fighting with giant razors is scary and the main goal is not getting maimed / dismembered
👍👍👍👍👍👍
I looks similar to foil fencing. I reckon, at least in open spaces, a pro foiler would do much better in a knife fight than many knife martial artists. I guess the second hand is only of use in confined spaces.
All in all, a great video, you are a true martial artist
No, it is nothing like foil fencing, cool observation, but no fencing is a sport it has literally nothing to do with real knife fights. And when fencers are doing that they are preparing the attack in real life thats not a thing.
Thank you!
@@sea509there's also a complaint that foil fencer basically allow themselve to get hit after landing their attacks plus in alot of systems un-armed attacks are included with arnis they learn that right before learning the knife further more movements in fencing are limited to back and fort with attacks being thrusts from the torsor area.
@@blackpowderkun there is no complaint like that, and no foil fencers dont let themselves get hit after an attack even without priority thats not a thing
@@sea509 Probably under different rules, just heard that from HEMA practitioners.
They should use their other hand to avoid the knife and then attack
This is what we exactly were doing...
Easier said than done at full speed
Ive seen real knife fights on gore sites and if you reach your hands get disabled.
These guys knows what they are doing. They are targetting hands.
In gore videos whoever loses limbs tends to just bleedout first or just get rushed when he loses the ability to hold knife. (Then beheading or neck slicing happens)
There is an isis video teaching knife targets on a real human and the subject went unconcious not long after a major artery is cut.
Knives are nasty and brutal
Non knife hand protects the neck and torso , if possible, wrap a T shirt around it for some added layers of protection
Clowns
But it’s exactly what real knife fights looks like.
You are the whole circus hahaha
Cringe kid on the internet got big balls behind the safety of its Computer
clown comment
Try it yourself. But for better learning effect, use real knife.