How to log the Split Sleeper rule for truckers
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2018
- Did you know truckers can still split sleeper on their logs? It's true. Using the very latest in technology visual aids, I show how the split sleeper provision works and how to log it. Even if you have an ELD, EOBR or some other elog, you should know how to split sleeper. Don't just trust the ELD! If there are questions please put them in the comments.
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This rule has been in effect for a long time-its not a new law, but was useful back when we had paper logs and the total 8 hour break before we could drive another 10. Back then we could drive 16 hours in a 24 hour period. Mark does a good job of explaining it here.
This is the best explanation I have seen about 8 & 2 split. Thanks, for making it very clear. Good job..
Me, myself, and I just do the 10 hour break. Simple and hassle free. Even tho, I do realize a lot of Drivers and Companies rely on the Split Berth to ensure delivery deadlines and such things as Relay Points (KLLM does frequently). Myself, I have no need or use for the split berth in the particular delivery field I am now doing. Multi Stops (7-12 stops-two day period) in Daylight Hours only.
But, more power for those that use it on a daily basis!
Might as well stay in sleeper for 2 more hrs and get your 14 back.
Depends, what if I get to a shipper, i go off duty, by the time they unload me I have no hours and my company doesn't allow PC. You arent allowed to park there overnight, so now what, i go back and edit my log for the 8 or 9 hrs off duty to 8 hrs sleeper and boom, i have hours to ddive now because that stopped my 14 hr clock, I can now drive to a travel center and be legal
Thanks for this. It's the best explanation I've ever heard about it...
I have watched so many videos trying to explain the split. Yours have been the most understanding!! Thank you!
Best explanation I've seen online. Finally got it. Thank you.
You're welcome
If you use a paper log as well to train yourself, make sure to write “training purposes only” on top AND the bottom. I was told that by DOT
Great refresher! Was worrying about it for my run tonight/tomorrow. After viewing this I was right 😁 8-2
I was trying to find someone who is able to explain this to me and here you are!! Thanks man!! I drove only 3.5hrs today. Still on pick up 5+hrs. I will wait till 8 hrs and get my i hope so 7.5 hrs so i can get home
either way im a big fan clear clean good info thank you
I like this explanation of splitting hrs
Thank you!! This was so helpful for someone like me just starting out!
You're welcome.
Question is how to log it in the dawn elog it does not recognize until I do 10hrs nonstop rest
This 1, I love the most.... finally somebody explained it w some sense
The best!! Thank you Sir!!
Well Done TRUCKING ANSWERS!!! Clear and Concise. :)
Thank you.
Very well explained.
Great informal vid
I don't see the benefit just eliminate the stress and do a 10
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The split sleeper option has proven over the years just how many individuals act comprehend what they read and can count.
All my previous safety peeps rather it not be used because that's the reason for the consistent failure in doing it.
Well for all smart professional truck driver this thing works for you when you need to roll as soon as possible and once you start driving you can make it to Delivery, Pick up or HOME! I drove 3.5hrs today to pick up. 5th hrs and still not loaded. Once i get loaded i will wait for 8 hrs of sleeper or Off D and i will gain 7.5 hrs that will allow me to get in the yard!! Thanks for vid!!
Actually today is a reason why I had to look this up. I started too early and I am currently 1 mile from the shipper. They wont accept me until 1am.
Well it's currently 5pm when I stopped. My 14 will be exaughsted if I sit here. And not enough time for a 10.
But I have 8 hour between now (5pm) and 1am.
So after 8 hours I'll get what I drove back, giving me enough time to deliver this load and then get back to a stop to go to bed
With the new Hours of Service we can have 8/2 or 7/3 splits and both sides of the split do not count against the 14. Time for an update video with more high-quality visual aids 🤣 @TruckingAnswers
Zactly. This is now dated.
If you ran long distance runs 8 and 2 split is all I would do. Eliminates the 30 min break every day. So you can run more.
That's an interesting way to think of it.
Thanks for taking my stuff
You stay right
so you can get more and more sleep deprived, until???
Some People are revived after a 2hr dirt nap...and some people aren't...
Wake me up after 2hrs of sleep and I am way out of it...
NO THANKS
SLEEP DEBT ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, UNTIL YOU EVENTUALLY FIND YOURSELF BUYING A PET PARROT FOR THE TRUCK...A STUFFED ONE...
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MAYBE SPLIT SLEEPER IF YOU NEED TO MAKE THE LAST LEG TO ARRIVE ONTIME DELIVERY, OR TO GET HOME...NOT A DAILY EVENT THOUGH UNLESS YOU WANNA DIE!
Thanks for the help. I'm a brand new class a cdl holder and am looking to start a driving career. All this e-log help is greatly appreciated!!! Any more info you could give would be awesome!!
You're welcome! See you on the road!
I always did a 2/8 split when driving at night. It never failed. When 3am roled around I'd start the touch n goes. No matter how much sleep I got. So I'd pull over and take a 2hr nap and get going again. Then later all I needed was an 8hr break to recover my hrs.
Good use of split.
I swear the FMCSA desk sitting paper pushers who have never driven a truck TRIED AS HARD AS THEY COULD to make these regulations as confusing and hard to understand and comply with as they could. Yet their families all rely on what we bring to market.
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Am fumin just like you, brahhh😤
New Sub here thanks for your video that clears a lot up for me
Thank you.
I have one simple question
If I drove 11 hours plus 2 on duty I have total of 13 hours on my 14 hours Rule
If I go in the sleeper for 8 hours straight how many hours Will be available to Drive??
Thanks a lot for all your help
10 and 8 were so much simpler.
But not as useful.
Does doing an Eight hour 2 hour split where the 8 hour break runs past midnight into the next day affect anything?
Hi,
I know how to use the split sleeper berth 2-8, but can it be done the other way around after running out of HOS?
Say that I already drove 11 hrs and usually for me to get another 11 hrs of dive time, I need to be off 10 hrs, but if I only get into sleeper berth for 8 hrs, will I get any driving hours back? And after driving, let's say 4 hrs, I get into the sleeper berth for 2 hrs. Does that work?
Btw, the 2 hrs does freeze your time as long as you don'tmove your truck within those 2 hrs. I do it all the time.
Thank you
I'm new to trucking so if I'm at a shipper and I'm waiting 10 hours for my load I could be in the sleeper birth for 10 hours and log it like that?
YEP
is it important to put off duty 2 hours continuous or we can split 2 hour off duty as well?
Great vid
Thank you.
So what would be a good way to get a normal sleep pattern? Drive let’s say 4 take a 30 drive 6.5 then stop and move out early in morning?
I read a split sleep must be followed the next by a full 10 before another split can be done.
It was on the back of my log books.
No. You can continue until you exhausted your 70 or take a full break.
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Cool thnx.
I used to use it alot back when freight was pushing hard.
Hi All, Do you know what would happen if I have a violation in the middle of the split break? e.g. start a day after a full reset. Drive for 4 hours take a 1-hour break. drive another 1 hour. Take 2 hours Off duty. driver for the next 6 hours and get to 2 minutes violation (total drive time 11h 2m). Can I now take my 8 hours in the sleeper berth or do I need to take a full 10-hour break as I'm in violation?
I rather take a full 10 hour sleeper break.
If I do 9hr in sleeper. Do I still have to do 2hr off duty/sleeper later?
Based upon this data plus taking traffic into consideration, is it just better to drive at night?
This guy is hilarious.😅😂😂😂. But thanks. I learned a bit
will this work for Teams?
The way that you explain it. It makes it sound like to me that you actually lose an hour's driving time for splitting your sleeper. Not sure what to think about that. I know with the ELD that I used to run, I could take that short break and it would show me in violation after 14 total hours, but , as long as I didn't drive more than eleven total hours and be on duty fourteen total hours before I went for my 8 hour sleeper break, it would erase that violation after I took the eight hours in the sleeper.
What if I drive 7 and take a 2hr break how many hrs would I have to drive
Thank you now i know i can move my truck if i need 2 after taking an 8 hr. Break
oh boy o boy finally starting to get this a little good grief i like the way you do it
Wow!..and OMG my aching head... why would anybody want to run? why would anybody want to.... excellent explanation I'll just leave it at that
Dritt-dritt Paniagua to avoid having to take 30 minute breaks, to be able to get back on the road sooner and use the 2 hours for loading/unloading, etc. It’s also quite useful when you’re working the oil fields.
Do those hours have to be in the Sleeper? Can they be in OffDuty?
I run 650 a day. If you run between 550-650 a day...do your run. Take the 10. I have the used the benefit of an -8/2,2/8 split to change rotation on driving from day to night or night to day especially involving holiday closures and sit times. But just to use a split because a shipper is slow or load assignment comes out showing slow load times at the shipper? Preplanners and load planners need a little help not the driver. There is a potential hazard here for milking a driver to satisfy "rushed needs" by the planner and usually that occurs at about the last 2-3 days for your home-time. I certainly will not accommodate with an 8/2, 2/8 split when my schedule has been known for weeks at a time as a target date to get home. I want my 10 hours off duty. When I run, I run solid.
Ok can i be 8 hr sleeper then start to drive or i have to be 8 hr sleep and 2 onduty not driving
TNX
It's just so much more work like that
"don't rely on the computer" holy crap. only ONLY a government entity make something as simple as a clock so complicated.
and then, what's this eight day BS. did they reinvent the calendar too?? LOL
you are not a commercial driver and have no clue what( HOS ) HOURS OF SERVICE is! or how it works your ignorance is funny....
Does the 2 hr sleeper time satisfy the 30 min brake as well, if taken first?
Yes. 2 hour sleeper is also a 30 minute break.
So i do my 15 minute ptrip/ does it count
About to do this tonight because I won't make my appointment in the am if I take a 10
You can do 7-3 also
I have 4 hrs left on my clock not my 70 can still do 8 2 split?
So if I drive 11 hours with only my 30 min off duty I can't just take an 8 hour sleeper berth to reset and do 2 more hours later?
You are the trucking embassidor
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Question would u recommend always doing a paper log back up in case there is computer malfunction?
No. Having it filled out while you have an electronic log would seem like you have 2 logs. Always have a blank log book with you. It's required.
Saw someone post this --- Every day - TAKE A PICTURE OF THE ELD SCREEN. You can use that to create a paper log if the DOT requests one. Better than trying to do it from memory - for the last 7 days. If yours goes down and the company cannot retrieve it from their end, you are S.O.L.
Good stuff next do team 8-2 split examples
I do have a split sleeper video.
@@TruckingAnswers is it possible to run 8 hr shifts teaming and never stop the truck?
Yes as long as no one exceeds 70/8 rule. Don't forget about pre/post trips!
@@TruckingAnswers thank you sir you have been immeasurably helpful in my quest to mentally grasp the 8-2 split
Sincerely yours Marc Jordan
You're welcome.
Where is your pre trip at.
Isn't 7 hours in sleeper the minimum? For semi truck drivers?
On duty a lot, but not driving... because we are stuck at the warehouse waiting to get our load! Stuck at US FOODS for 8 hours!
Nice.
Thank you.
Shouldn’t it be 2/8 and 3/7 ? If your on 8/2 and want to change to 7/3 it’s impossible unless you want to lose your 10. 2 off duty and 8 sleeper then you can go to 3 off duty to 7 sleeper 3/7, copy ?
Then from 3 off 7 sleeper you can go back to 2 off and 8 sleeper not vice versa, can I get a radio check ? Copy check check
I can just see the road comedy bound to happen here, glad I'm retired! Paper logs were so much easier...
Im glad i still use paper .
I started driving yesterday. At 330pm. Around 1130 I got zzzzz I was off duty for 3hr sleeper for 1 hr. But haven’t got any hours back. I need 4 hr to finish my drop and pik up they are 15 mins apart with a pilot in the middle of them
Am I missin sumtn
You must have picked up zero hours on your recap at midnight.
Now it’s showing. Negative 20hr and 17 mins
That led plamsa crystal display screen look almost exactly looks like a white board😱
Does the splitter have to be 8/2? Can't it be 9'37" and 23" split? I read it can be 10hr, 8/2 and 9/1, elds count to the minute, so what would be bare minimum? I'm currently 8'53" sleeper, almost done here, not allowed to stay in parking lot, truck stop about 30min away, can I go there, take the remainder of my break whilst I shower and eat? Eld says I have 1'8" driving availed and 1'52" on duty.
The split must be in least 2 parts. One of at least 8 hours and one of at least 2 hours.
@@TruckingAnswers I just got a violation 🤔😂 I had 9'03" sleeper and gave me 1'08" drive with 1'48" on duty. I drove 30" to truck stop and Dispatch called said I got violation and msg on eld said "you have 1:00hr left before you complete your break"
That seems like a company issue. Take it up the chain there. Rattle cages until they explain it to you.
I watched this twice, and I need to watch it a few more times until I get it bcuz I over think too much! After 21 years of running regular, they threw a couple of 8-2's at me and I'm confused! GREAT explanation tho! Thanks!
Must be follow by a 10 directly before another ext can be made.
No pre trip
So one question what happened to the It consecutive hours? What happened to that information? So what's you're saying that if a person has a king? Yes, I can't near sentence to jail. And they do 8 years in jail. They come out for 5. They could go back in for 2 to complete their 10 years in prison.
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If your running 600 miles a night why would you do a slit !!! I would run the 600 miles hit the sleeper for 10
Wait....2 on duty, 6 driving... example. Why couldn't you take the 30 minute break AFTER the 8 hours driving? You showed that you had to take within the 8 hours... I've been off the road a while... am I forgetting something? 🤔🤷♀️
What's wrong with two logs? I still do it. My trucks a rental, so it's paper logs baby!
So can I still drive 10hrs with 10hrs sleeping berth time
Lol yes
So if you do 8 and 2 together it does NOT count against the 14 hr clock, right? But if you split it the 2 hours counts against the 14?
Anything less than 8 counts against 14.
What’s up y’all Can’t we just all go back to paper log, that’s the safest way of transporting coast to coasting, if a pro driver needs a 30-60 minute nap it shouldt count against him. it’s destroying our roads with crashes and delays and I completely believe the eld castophry is at fault! 🤯
AAAAAAmen - - After 60 years cross country I still use God's clock and find you live a healthier life, Sleep when tired, eat when hungry and enjoy working when feeling good. I'm not a robot!
Roger Markeson my thoughts exactly
I think the real reason for eld is to control the newby Drivers for the big companies. When paperlogs were around, driving wasn't such a nuisance and chore! Had the freedom of stopping at a diner or chrome shop and enjoying the drive. Now we are told when to piss, take a dump, deal with traffic and work/drive odd hours! I don't see how this is more safe than paperlogs. They need to make it harder and more training available prior to being on road. Logs should be kept to insure enough behind the wheel hours have accumulated before they can go solo. But then again this doesn't let the big companies dictate what they get to pay new drivers. Safety isn't their goal, it's shipping and delivery for cheap as possible! Good thing however, rates have gone up.
Manminder RATTU yep
True but then you got guys that abuse paper logs and drive like from WISCONSIN to TEXAS straight through without sleep or longer. That's how accidents happen. Some don't call it quits when they should. Wish it was only paper logs obviously but yeah
I tell ya.. goin to CDL School in 3 weeks. All I wanna do is drive and make money. So complicated.. How do you relax you always gotta be looking at a clock
hello there my friend
Is this for the US or Canada?
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G Rad Canada is a 16 hour clock. 13 driving 3 on duty. No 30 minute break. All off duty’s must be minimum 1/2 and go against your 16 hour clock. Must go Sleeper minimum 8 to reset your 13 hours drive clock.
@@semiretired6033 thanks for that !
Split screen next time would be great.
Very confusing. Still a good video
2 hours stops your clock now with new law.
On duty counts as a break now so that last one is wrong now
we got to do a few more of them p.s i need help here sorry butt i am not grasping this at all
I can do more if you need it to understand. My goal is to help every driver understand all the rules.
thanks pal i mean thanks alot i friggin cannot seem to grasp even paper logs funny thing is i was out there before butt local stuff boss did logs so i learned zilch now im headed back 25 years later whew mammamia what a curve didnt expect this i dunno if i can make it threw test wow
Didn't used to have to keep a logbook if you were local.
Cowboy Trucking you have to run a logbook for local runs now? Hahahahaha, I spent the last couple of years illegal then
Do California law for E-Logs. Just kidding 🤣
Thanks 22 yrs of trucking and never even did a split.
I like taking 2 hour breaks for a good long nap.
I'm my own grandpa.
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
Why would you go on duty and NOT drive?? What's the point? To sit there and do nothing? I don't understand
Just eliminate the logbook. There's no need for a logbook. Give the driver 4000 miles a week to run. If he stays within 4000 miles, he's automatically legal. That's it. Doesn't matter where he goes or what he's doing. Very simple.
Wow. That's crazy miles.
John Dyer are u nuts!!!!!!
I used to log that many hours a week. It can be done but carefully.
No Compendo.
This is outdated you can now do a Three hour seven hour split
So I can drive 6, sleep 8, drive 5?
Beuler...Beuler...anyone anyone🚘😅
That just makes a man more tired i like my ten off no splitting.