Most DISAPPOINTING Allocated BOURBONS!
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- These special bottles are not necessarily bad whiskey, they are actually pretty tasty, but compared to the PRICE, AVAILABILITY, and HOW SUPPOSEDLY SPECIAL they are... just overrated and kind of disappointing. I try to provide an EASIER to find alternative as well as an easy to get alternative. Hope this helps you not make the same bourbon mistakes I have!
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One of the most frustrating things about “the hunt” is finding out the liquor store managers are keeping all the good stuff for themselves. Quite common at the large chain grocery liquor stores. So basically, you pop into a place once a week to see what they got in, you buy a couple common bottles to “give them some business”, and maybe the manager pacifies you with a bottle of Weller SR or Blanton’s if you’re lucky. Meanwhile, manager buys for him and his buddies all of the 12, 107, EH Taylor, Stagg, etc, and you never had a chance in hell because it was never going to hit the shelf in the first place. That’s been the game for the past few years, and I’m sure others can relate.🤬🤣
Aka total wine
And you already know that Dude is for sure reselling the bottles he doesn’t drink with a ridiculous secondary market price hike too 😂
Knob Creek 12yr is such a solid bourbon. I'm quite happy it is pretty readily available around here for about $65.
If I see KC 12, I buy a couple. It’s just so damn good.
$129 at local liquor store here.
It’s $79 here. But I like KC9 single barrel better. And it’s cheaper.
I think I paid $89.
$65 at my Walmart
I’m with you brother. I’m growing tired of “the hunt”. I’m here in VA like you and it’s getting harder to get things unless you check your phone everyday all day to see what’s dropping. I’m getting to the point where I just buy what I like that’s available and I just go with it. If I stumble on something special, that’s fine but I’m loosing the desire to hunt. Great video.
VA ABC laws/drop stuff sucks I agree with you on this
But I like Buffalo Trace...
Have you noticed how VA’s pricing is creeping up way above MSRP? If our state-run monopoly can’t deliver a product, can’t run a lottery, and can’t keep itself from price gouging, why do we allow it to exist? It’s to a point I pretty much ignore the drop notices now and I don’t bother with the lottery.
I agree. I'm up here in Michigan, and I really think I'm not caring anymore about "the hunt". It's just almost not worth it anymore. I'm so close to just saying screw it and just buying off the shelf. Even the weller he has on here that's apparently easier to find (or the blantons, eagle rare, or especially finding an EHT), that just doesn't happen around here. I am holding by a thread of caring about "finding" bourbon anymore.
What I would like to see would be a line of $60-80 alternatives to the over $150 bourbons.
Great video!
What I do is blend my KC 12 year with a 9-10 year KC single barrel 120 proof. That way I get the age and the proof. 1:1 ratio will do just fine.
Great info; thank you! how do you feel about Blanton’s store picks? Better than the standard?
I don't hunt as much anymore either. Store picks are the way of the future
I've tried a good many hyped bourbons at bars. Where I live, they can't be found in stores except at museums, and I'm not willing to pay museum prices, but some of the bars have a good selection and don't overcharge. In general, I haven't been all that impressed with the hyped bourbons relative to others that are much easier to find, especially the mid-level Buffalo Trace stuff. Maybe Buffalo Trace isn't my preferred flavor profile - if so, I can consider myself fortunate. I put Blanton's Gold next to Frey Ranch cask strength at a bar last week, and Blanton's Gold was boring by comparison. It isn't worth the trouble to hunt, and it isn't worth paying a lot of extra money. There is a lot of good whisky that is readily available in stores at a reasonable price.
I've pretty much given up on getting anything allocated. I'll stop by the store a bit more frequently in the fall and take my chances
Ask around on here and make connections, people can/will meet and trade for bottles. Here I can find Rebel ($99)/Eagle ($35) pretty readily
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That's what he's saying, too much effort to make new friends. I'm old and don't want to have to "flirt". Over it.
On a trip through Florida I recently found the Knob Creek 12 for $100, an EHT small batch for the same and a Stagg (Jr) for 170.
Knob creek 12 I have seen in Maryland almost anywhere for $70-80. VA just likes to allocate bottles that are on the shelf everywhere else 😕
I’m glad you actually put some different bottles in this list as I feel most of these “overrated allocated” videos always end up being the exact same bottles. I think at this point people know those weller bottles aren’t worth it but everyone just wants to be able to say they have the full lineup in their collection. Knob creek 18 is far better than Elijah Craig 18 imo but that’s not saying much.. I really don’t care for my EC 18 and there’s no way ill be spending 150+ for it again.
I like New Riff small batch as an alt to E.H. Taylor small batch. I see them on the shelf all the time around here for $40. I think it might even win in a blind.
I currently own both, but I certainly prefer EH Taylor, but to each his own
Howdy David! Nice show…lots of info to share! Funny how prices are so different around the country…here in Texas I have bought multiple bottles of each of those Buff Trace lineup at MSRP…just good timing I guess. But the craziness has now driven ER up to 39 from 32 in the last year, and Col Taylor is still 40…go figure? Thanks again!
Good intel, thanks for the comparison
I love the alternate options. Great vid!
Antique is quite possibly my favorite pour in general. Love my kc12 and am holding strong to the bottle I have, as I have only come across 1
32k subscribers! Dude you both are CRUSHING it. keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ive only had the Eagle Rare. I liked it very much.
What about a Makers Woodfinising series or cask strength for alternative to 107?
I’ve stopped hunting and purely discover newer brands and craft lines. Much more interesting and accessible.
gonna have to grab a Murray Hill sometime, see it at one place by me alot.
David, great video, A buddy just gave me a bottle of Rebel 10 year for 4 samples of my stuff, he was not a fan, but I quite enjoyed it. I'll make that trade anytime!
I was able to luck out with the old system in VA and scored a couple Elmers. Just traded one for a Weller 12.
Highly available "alternatives" to EH Taylor, Eagle Rare and other MB1 would be anything Wild Turkey or Russells. Very balanced and sweet.
Also, I agree with your Corsets, Whips and Whiskey assessment. One of my favorites.
Well put together video, good pacing. Kinda funny that all your alternatives for buffalo trace products are buffalo trace products.
The Knob Creek 9 year 120 proof store pick I have is definitely better than the 12 I have and was $15 cheaper. Definitely worth a grab.
I got my first 9 and it’s great. 12 was kind of thin n comparison.
Scored both the Blanton's and Eagle Rare at MSRP just this week. No hunting, just got lucky. Good video.
I got two bottles of Blantons last week where I am as well at MSRP. I like it for sure, cant say love because I fell 1792 is pretty good comparison, but stoked to have them.
Hold the phone! This is my first time viewing your channel. I am so glad i did! Your presentation is clear, concise, informative with no idle banter or trying to be cute like several channels. Great job new subscriber here!
Very sound advice!
I'd be interested to hear what bourbons you think are worth paying for a pour to try them but not worth buying a bottle
I've never come across an ER store pick, and I've come across some rare stuff (like Eagle Very Rare 17yr).
Only five bottles of Knob Creek 12 year in Oregon. Good luck finding one.
Have you had Calumet 16? It'd be a great alternative to the KC18 and EC18.
I got extremely lucky the other day; I was in a Total Wine in Austin, TX, just as they put out some allocated bottles, which I bought at MSRP. E.H. Taylor Small Batch, John J. Bowman Single Barrel, and Stagg (formerly Stagg Jr.). I have to say, I was disappointed in Colonel E.H. Taylor Small Batch. It just wasn't all that great, yet well priced at MSRP. However, the secondary market round here has it at $125+, & I would hate myself if I paid that much for a disappointing bourbon. The Stagg is also super expensive around here ($250+), & these allocated bourbons are often not worth the hunt. My opinion on the MOST overrated is Eagle Rare. I don't even like the flavor at all, & I rarely see it on the shelves. It's often priced at over $80, which is just ridiculous. Unless it's actually rare or a special limited release, it's just not worth the hassle for these over-inflated bourbons.
I still find ER for $32-$35 and at that price it's great 😂
i find ER on base for 25$ at times
@@fmfdocbotl4358 That's awesome!
I just picked up an ER store pick 1.75L for $70. More cherry than grape and more rich oak, viscous. Well worth it.
I can find KC Single Barrel Select. Delicious bottle. I’ve never seen a 12, though. That’s probably the bottle I look for most, but I’ve never run across one.
I've done the knob 12 15 18 year test tests. I pick different stuff every time.
LOVE that KC12 beats KC18 as i doubt ill find a 18 at MSRP and i looooove me some KC12.
I got a knob 12 at BK Miller for 69.99 in Md and a nice New Riff bP that is amazing and need another.
I would have listed Wilderness Trail Bourbon (rye based) as a better replacement for the BT mash bill #2 bottles (Blanton’s, ETL). Similar tasting experience and 100 proof. With Maker’s Cask strength I don’t feel the need to hunt down OWA anymore. Although I will say Maker’s Cask is a bit more batch dependent.
I was just on the Big Island and found Knob Creek 12 in Target of all places😆
Si, great content as always!
Great Video!! Very interesting and informative. I really disagree with you on CYPB. That is the second best Bourbon I've ever had. Yes its super hard to find but an absolutely outstanding bourbon.
Great picks on the second list.
Thanks for the heads up bro, to many of the videos are not honest like you .
I’m new to bourbon an collecting I recently have buffalo trace, 4 roses single barrel and eagle rare 10 year. My favorite at all of them is eagle rare. It’s really good. What do you suggest that is similar to it for my next bottle?
Great content!
Relatively, Blanton's is much easier to find than a Hancock's.
Agree that B > HR
I definitely prefer the knob creek 12 over the 18
Old Forester 1920, Wild Turkey Rare Breed and Maker's Mark 46. In my opinion, those are the ones to have on hand
Michter's Sour Mash is a great alternative to ETL
Hey David, nice to meet you & Jamie in person at Sagamore. Plz check out the Barrel King 👍, take care…
I just wish I could get Weller or rock hill here. State run liquor stores only and they dont carry rock hill, and Weller is lottery only once per year.
Michters sour mash is allocated in VA. Throw that on the list
I have to try that Rebal 10. I picked up a Hancock’s Reserve this past Friday at my local (closest to me) for $100. Took a small sip but really need to get a pour for an honest opinion but seemed light and lack of flavor for $100. I camped one night and got an ETL for SRP. Beautiful bottle but I would not pay the secondary prices for it (never saw it less than $400).
Rebel 10 year is *terrible!* _Definitely_ leave it on the shelf! In fact, let me know where that shelf is, so that I can, um... avoid it, or something.
@@FakingANerve I know of several places to avoid 😎
Murry Hill Club folks, @ $100 it's rich, viscous, well rounded, a great sipper!
Any of the Bowman line is a good alternative to Buffalo Trace stuff
The bowman brothers' neck pour is not nice, lol. After that, it gets better
@@jj18057Interesting you say that, because I had a Bowman Brothers Small Batch that I did not like at all when I first popped the cork, but when I revisited it a month later, it was really good. But not as good as my first bottle of John J. Bowman Single Barrel store pick, which was incredible.
It’s redistilled Buffalo trace distillate so if you can find it it’s said to be mashbill 1.
David I am 100% on board with you in regards to the Elijah Craig 18. I can never justify 18 yrs old for only 90 proof. Almost feels watered down for that age statement. Seems like such a rip off. I will never pay that price for a 90 proof bourbon when I can get one of my favs OF1910 all day for waaaay cheaper! Good video!👌👍
My local target has KC 12 year for $62
Completely agree on the Eagle Rare. For around 50 bucks, it’s an absolute must have. 🤌
Where are we finding these? I’ve been constantly visiting my local stores and nobody has it these days
Eagle Rare 10 year is great. But people sleep on the Knob Creek 9 and 12 year. Also Russell’s Reserve 10 year. All under 50$ too.
Smoke Wagon small batch I think is a decent alternative to EH or ER if you can’t find them.
Still prefer EH or ER but does have a similar fruity note to it if you need a more available option
Oddly, every Eagle Rare store pick I've tried isn't as good as the standard offering.
I stop hunting myself and just buy things that I find when I'm grocery shopping. In the last two weeks I was able to find Shenks, bombergers, booker's 2023 - 01, EHT small batch and Blanton's all for MSRP. KB 12 is pretty easy to find here at the grocery stores. Oh these are the big box grocery stores too, like Wholefoods, Krogers, Paviliom's/Von etc.
so you're saying that once you give up, you'll get rich...
@@mdstrobe Honestly, just seems like my luck is better when I stop trying to chance and hunt bottles. I guess I'm saying just be patience
The hunt is frustrating because you see how much more the prices keep going up! Knob creek though, they have good whiskey and prices. Heaven hill 7yr bib is a good one too. I feel the same way, find a bottle and the price slaps that smile off your face..😢😢😢
Easy to find eagle rare here in Western Australia
A lot of those 18 yr old bourbons though just don’t make it here to Australia or are hard to find
Eh Taylor is $300 plus per bottle and not everywhere
Some burbys just don’t make it here
Blantons are readily available. Wish u guys keep it. It’s mey
Elmer t Lee only found at specialty outlets
Store picks. Never ever seen one here
Bro i need to kmow what the outro music is
David, would you like me to send you a sample of Green River Single Barrel (store pick)?
Good video
For EC18…try IW Harper 18
They just had a bunch of Hancock’s come through locally…was $99
RD1 and BBC origin are my new go to
A good alternative to EHT is John J Bowman... which has been absent from shelves for close to a year now, sadly. 😢
What about Bernheim, a 7-year Heaven Hill wheater for $30 that's everywhere? Never bought when I could get W12 any day of the week, but by 2023 standards....probably the easy to find pic to replace a lot of these.
Amen on the hunt getting old. No doubt!
We’ll said my friend. Cheers.
I wish I could find EH or Eargle Rare in Southern Ohio
solid alternatives
1792 for rhe elmer t lee. Especially if it's a store pick
My overrated is.. Buffalo trace, eagle rare, Elmer t, pappy 12, pappy 20, pappy 23
My wife just won a bottle of Elmer T Lee in the OHLQ ( Ohio) Lottery
Pretty much none of that is available here in Michigan. I'm honestly beginning to not care about any of this anymore.
Great review! I really like the KC 18 however the KC 12 is half the cost and so good! The EC18 reviews haven’t been that good so I’ll pass. Murray Hill Club is nice! Eagle Rare is way better than Blanton’s IMO, the others I haven’t had. I found a Weller 107 for 130.00 but thought it was too much?
Weller 107 isn’t worth $130….used to readily buy it for like $25 when it was a red plastic screw top….it’s good, but probably not more than $50-60 or you’d have buyers remorse.
I’d go with Makers mark 46 cask strength or just a regular MM CS instead
@@geland1 yeah I agree, I have the makers and it’s pretty good. I heard that the Journeyman Whips and Chains is a good replacement. I also have the Old Elk double wheat that’s really good but not sure how it compares to the 107
@@nickp5511 I think there’s a lot of comparable stuff out there these days. The Bardstown BiB he mentioned is also good
@@geland1 I have that one so I guess I’m not missing much!
Secondary is the reason I don't like hunting. New hyped bourbon drops? It's going to get snagged up by the bourbon goblins and cranked to high hell and back price-wise. I'd rather try to find something comparable at this point, or try it at a bar. MM Cellar-Aged just came out at a $150 msrp and it's already getting blown up to $700'ish on secondary. You best believe I'm not going after something like that unless someone literally offers it to me straight up.
Makers 46 cask strength at 108 proof in French oak is SOLID
Michter's 10 deserves to be on this list.
I found Blanton's for the first time in my country. It costs $325. Is that a good price, or overpriced? Considering I live on an island and all products are shipped in, so we should expect them to cost more..
Normal price for Blanton’s is about $65, but super rare to find at that price, so I have bought a couple bottles lately at around $95-$100. I live near Kansas City. Most places that sell it at the inflated secondary market price have it anywhere from $180-$250. So even though $325 sounds very high, it might not be a ridiculous price when you add your “island premium”.
@@Flint_Hyzermatic thanks. maybe there are also different versions all with the same bottle shape by Blantons. Our store has two Blantons and one is $385 called "Blantons straight from the barrell bourbon" and there other blantons is $325. both have same type bottle. i would like to think the markup here isnt that bad lol . Buffalo Trace straight bourbon costs $45 here and Bulleit is only $55. Most alcohol is not too marked up, strange why Blantons would be. Bet hey, we also have a Whistle Pig that costs $750 called Boss Hog "something" VII... crazy!.. maybe our markup isnt just that they add like 10 or 20$ per bottle, maybe its a %, so maybe the Blantons cost like $160 for them and they just double it? i think Bulleit is only $25 or $35 in America whereas its $50 or $55 here.
Weller CYPB should have been named CYAB (Create Your Average Bourbon). I was very disappointed. I never understood the Weller Single Barrel. If I buy another Weller that's a store pick, isn't it a Single Barrel also?
I agree wholeheartedly KC12 is better than KC18. For that reason, I won't pony up the extra bones for Elijah Craig 18, I'll stick with ECBP Approx 12 yrs for 80 bones.
Do we always forget about New Riff? New Riff has that fruity flavor and is VERRRRY comparable to Buffalo Trace.
David, are there any bourbons that you would pay over $250?
BTAC, Rare HH, Rare Michter's, ... there are others, but it's a small list
Isaac bowman for the elmer
It’s called diminishing returns
Paid $45 for Elmer t recently, miracles still happen!
I’m more likely to find Margot Robbie in my bed than find Eagle rare or EH Taylor.
Totally disagree with the Old Fitz.
Those 8 and 9 year bottles were great.
6:49 I find Eagle Rare pretty underwhelming. It's almost impossible to get, and the juice in the bottle isn't worth the trouble. Ordinary Buffalo Trace is better than Eagle Rare, and Bluff Springs - which is always on the shelf - is better than Buffalo Trace.
9:44 I have a single barrel Knob Creek store pick - it was $56, and it's worth more than that. It's gorgeous whisky.
I think Jim Beam Black is better than Eagle Rare
Eagle Rare is too smooth for me
I bet I would love Knob Creek 9
Allocated bourbon to me, none are worth it. Too much hassle and bs attached to finding such bourbon. I’ll take the great bottles I can find with a bit more ease.
I kind of like how it is here in VA. I really like that i pay suggested retail.
@@jj18057 I’m in Ohio so Msrp is standard. Which is nice
@@jj18057It is for bottles that aren't Stagg, ETL, EHT, and a couple of bottles that are gone within a few minutes of the drop.
ETL…John J Bowman’s
I haven’t seen a KC12 in several years. My brother just brought me one from IN and it’s very tasty.
The ER I’ve picked have been very solid. Much better than the Blanton’s I’ve found.
Had ELT in a bar. It only beat Blanton’s.
My EC18 is 4-5 years old. I agree Murray Hill Club beats it and I can find it fairly regularly.