Very much enjoy the deep breakdown of the combine economics. Everything on rhe farm is done in a scientific and well thought out way. Thanks for bringing us along!
@@ianmitchell9102 @Ian Mitchell farmers don't really make profits, we work on making a living, with the rest either repaying the bank or returning back to replace or repair equipment or infrastructure. Yea i get it that it's still a profit, but the saying is asset rich, money poor, but it's not a profit like selling a table with a 15% mark-up so guaranteed return. Farmers have to deal in futures as they sell products forward, they can get penalties if not suitable humidity or the mill is just feeling full, machinery breaks, here the combine has done well, but you're always churning equipment. If a farm is limited you can look at statements through companies house. To be a poor farmer you need to start of being a rich one 😉
Hello again 'Harry's Farm', Wow, once more this vlog is just briliant, such great information and insight into an industry I have never been involved in, please keep doing more. Regards, RichardA.
@@peterh9238 They're balls deep now, it would be very late to scrap the project as they have purchased the factory and started to set up production lines. Most of the costs are sunk! 🤔
guess the only thing you missed would be the interest on the 84K of capital tied up in the combine. you will still be ahead with the drying cost savings though
You get definitely more metal and functionality for your money. Combine might be a little bit slower, parking will be difficult and mpg should be a nightmare, just in comparison. Oh, and don't forget the washing/waxing factor.
You could genuinely get a brand new Niva imported for half the price in top spec with all the options, that's track conversion (as in 4 tracks that mount to the hubs), camo paint/wrap, roofrack, gun rack, snow plow, the lot. For that you could even get a LWB police pickup with heavy machine gun of some sort (guns aren't my thing) mounted in the back (bullets not included, but I think the fully functional gun is), but I imagine Harry might have some issues importing that one. :) You could get 4 base models as they start at £12'000. The 'The Late Brake Show' channel has a video reviewing a 2021 example. I think it's even ULEZ compliant. :)
@@markwright3161 Speaking od ULEZ, I never understood why the Niva hasn't cought up with the hipsters. It would be a cool thing to cruise around central London. Much tastier than a G class.
Doing it yourself means you can plan and do at the optimum time.... and be flexible where contracting means you join a queue....Thanks for explaining. The Defender was the MoD choice for army etc, I wonder if all the tarting up will make it unsuited or maybe a sub base model for troops? Should tow a house with a 3 litre plant.
Yes, £15/hour, doesn't appear to me like a sensible rate per hour - when self employed plumbers, sparky's, and joiners are charging at least £30/hour up here in Scotland - and I will bet the Landrover garage will be charging you at least £150/hour when you take your new Defender in for a service.
@@andrewgreen619 That is a fair point about the low commodity prices - but I feel it just goes to show how how massively undervalued farmers are in relation to other workers in the community - as I said in my first response above. Especially, when you factor in - how important food production is to us all.
@@MrMunroMan Correct, .......I've just had to pay an electrician £146 for one hour's work to fit in a socket box, (I'm not in the country to do it myself !) But where the hell do they get these numbers from ?
Harry: 350k for a new combine, we won't be doing that. Charlie: tracks you say? You certainly have to do the maths before making any farming purchases. Great vid 👍
In the breakdown of the costs of buying / operating vs hiring of the combine, you didn't include cost of money. If you had the cash to buy the combine, then generally your numbers still work as investment interest rates are quite low. However, if (as I suspect) in line with many other farms you have a long term debt, the numbers are very different. Assuming a long term debt cost of 4%, the cost of money over the four year period in question is £13,760, which skews the numbers towards hiring.
nearly £ 3000 a service and none of these faults were picked up on a vehicle that works this hard! Obviously these faults were all new to the dealer and never happened before on a harvester.You did not have to be an engineer to see that pulley was corroded and would fail very soon.
Surely depends on the service level. It’s hard to pick up all faults and wearing parts on combines such pulleys and bearings do fail under strain. This year has been hard on machines due to high yields. In normal years it may not have failed. Anyway it would have been an extra £900 at service point or when it failed.
Look up deboss garage HD RUclips channel, series of vids on a Case combine. Then you will see how complex and tricky it is to monitor and service one of these beasts, and that's with a mechanically adept owner. Farms have something that needs attending to daily it's not 9 to 5. Harry's breakdown looks a reasonable ROI for me.
"I really tried to avoid ticking any extra boxes to keep the price low" "black roof bars - £330" :P Like, ok, but surely........I'd just keep it in white, no extra colours or anything. The underbody protection, the winter pack, the tow bar - all of that I get. But if you're trying to keep the price down why spend almost £900 on paint and £330 to have the roof bars in black.
@@peterknight7880 Harry has a very good presentational style, he really communicates well and for a non farmer like me, I find things like his episode on the "Red Tractor" label highly informative. Also RUclips is full of car review stuff and anyway, I could never afford let alone desire the typical car that Harry seems to like :)
@@melpeddle7243 JLR is OWNED by the Indian company Tata. The Halewood Plant makes the Land Rover Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque. The Nitra Plant, Slovakia: Makes the Land Rover Discovery and Land Rover Defender. In addition, they have factories in India, Brazil and China building cars for those regions, not the European market.
I grew up on a 5,000 acre grain farm in Texas - this was in the 1980s. We ran 4 combines to harvest wheat, sorghum, barely, corn mostly. 2 of them were John Deere 4400s that were purchased new in the late 70s, and 2 were International Harvester 1420s bought new in the early 80s. This was just before IH and Case merged. Before my time we usually ran 4 John Deere machines - whatever model was biggest. Typically I think we ran 2 older ones and 2 newer models). I can confidently agree with Harry - breakdowns happen regularly. They aren’t cars and, for example, our winter wheat harvest took at least 2 weeks running them at least 16 hours a day - with two meal breaks. So they work hard!!
Now you have the workshop space i would consider, either conducting thorough winter off season servicing yourself and carrying consumable replacement parts, i think you right on keeping it, as regards the fake LR i reckon you are better off with a fully restored 300tdi, its great to go shopping in town but as soon as i threw a few chainsaws and logs in the back it would be worth jack sh1t, sad end to an iconic marque!
Love this channel, really wish I’d followed my ancestors & gone into farming, but it is too late, why on earth do some people give a thumbs down? I can’t understand it. Harry makes things so interesting.
It's very interesting I agree and a great way to spend spring and summer days no doubt but after watching Clarkson's farm I think (like Harry) you might need to have something else going on the side .. or again like Harry be a good accountant for everything!
There’s two sizes of mudguards should you choose, they’re both reasonably priced including fitting (they’re bolted on under trim). Some people don’t want them. Not a big deal
Great break down of the costs Harry. Very interesting to see a farmer that knows their costs. Adding to the benefit of having your own flexibility to cut when you want is a big benefit.
I've had my Defender 110 P200 for a year, 9,800 miles and a couple of thousand of those towing to south of France and back. Zero problems to report and still runs like new. Like Harry, I didn't pimp mine up and paid a lowly £47,600.
Ooh all those sensors. Use it as a proper landy and see how they stand up to abuse. Landys have always been plagued by electrical faults. Even my 2A with Zero tech
Very interesting on the costs. Always nice to know what is going on, I live in Cheshire and often cycle or drive through the countryside. Still amazes me that it breaks down so much even though the total hours used seems small compared to a car. Then again, it is complex as you said, and it is doing the work of many men. Before this "industrial revolution" thingy - we all worked down on the farm full time to keep ourselves fed!
Another very interesting video , especially the farm economics with the combine. I feel the big question with the Defender , whilst it very good is it worth the expense over some of the Japanese etc cab/ flatbeds vehicles we see around .
Over a grand on green paint (on a Landrover green ought to be free - it's a basic colour) and black roof rails! Yes...black - once the free version and you had to pay to have them painted silver. LED lights!? Mate, you didn't try hard to spec a farm version. Be honest. Besides a farm version would be a HiLux or Warrior, lol.
That disappearing hitch is quite a piece of engineering. What will they think of next? I rode on a combine, with no cab, back in the mid 60s. Got the wind in my face whipping chaf in my face making me miserable and then drove a tractor after harvest plowing a field also with no cab. Got heat stroke from that. I'm glad farmers don't have to deal with that sort of thing now days. Now if they can just get the weather to cooperate.
I don't know about that. The new Prados are a heap of Sht. The injectors are a huge problem. The oil pick up is garbage and the EGR valve is nothing but trouble. I think the new Isuzu dmax is way better for problem free 4wdriving.
@@melpeddle7243 i own a 2008 Prado and a 2017 Fortuner both go off road weekly. I have had no problems. Australia’s number one selling engine, the Toyota 2.8 diesel is in that position because it is reliable and economical to own. I haven’t even seen a new Land Rover on the road here in Australia.
That maybe true, but the comfort and driving characteristics of the Defender are in a different league to any other brand out there, nothing feels as good as the driving position in a Land Rover. I've driven all around and through Australia in various prado's, land cruisers etc, apart from the ancient drive train (which is reliable) nearly everything else was broken on all of them, stereos, windows, switches, air con etc,etc. We did the Gibb river road in a Discovery and it was night and day better in every way. And no, it didn't breakdown.
@@tonydoggett7627 how many km have u done with the Prado ? And what age is it ?. Because just look up the Prado here on RUclips with a mechanic in Australia. And the d4. I have a fair few mates in the mechanic and 4wd profession. And the most reliable is the Isuzu drive train. And way cheaper also. U might just be lucky. Some models were better than others. Same as the Mitsubishi tritan early models had a lot of trouble but the 2008 was a very good model. All the mines and rentals in fnq and Darwin nearly all have Isuzu.
I very much enjoyed this video. Most interesting. An uncle had a series one Land Rover and one of the very earliest Range Rovers. I consider myself fortunate to have driven both. The series one was fully restored from a dreadful state - it was a badly rusted chassis and seized engine when purchased. I have had several series 2 and 2A. Wonderful vehicles.
Land Rover cannot expect small businesses and farmers to shell out £45k+ for a bog standard Defender. It’s very clearly a lifestyle car aimed at people who like what the old Defender represents but really want a G Wagen.
Specced a Defender to mid 50's then gave up, Local dealer was doing Navaras for 23k New 5 year warranty it's definitely not a vehicle aimed at the commercial market any longer.
The compartment under the load bed needs a remotely-controlled plug on the bottom, to drain the dog piss out. This is not a farm vehicle. I talk to lots of Welsh hill farmers, and know that there is a demand for LR vehicles, because they are better at pulling loaded stock trailers through mud. The 4wd system is more sophisticated/capable than on the Japanese pickup trucks that my pals also own. Mudfaps, green paint, no plastic trim at all, galv steel finish on the inside, which can be cleaned with a pressure washer, without buggering up the electrics. That is the specification they want.
Feel like the value for money on the defender is ridiculous, having to pay extra for standard protection like guards on a "dedicated" offroader is robbery
£895 for the green paint as an extra ? so i take it the Landrover,s dont come painted ?, and the storage space under the rear floor, well thats a brain storming idea as you would nearly need to take every thing out of the rear to get to the under floor storage space,,,
I hadn’t realised that your drum hours would be so low - but I’m sure that your approach of an “oversized” combine that has already depreciated is the key to an economical and (hopefully!!) low stress harvest. Great video, as ever, (My friends new defender was taken back by Land Rover head office to try and learn lessons on why it’s reliability was so horrific. Hopefully yours will be better, but £53k for cloth seats sounds a touch steep!!)
Fantastic number crunching on your combine, the only thing I would say about contractors is everyone wants them at the same time so having your is a real plus point and no waiting to cut.
Great breakdown of Combine costs. The only thing missing (but I doubt will alter the outcome) is the finance cost or loss of investment passive income against the GBP86,500 ... that said, you will taxed on any capital gain!!
We're running a Claas here, and we're surprised you have bills over €1.000! That's absurd Harry. We also have had an older John Deere, that was a little more expensive, but dad looked it up, never more than € 2.500. with a yearly average of about 20-30% more hours than yours. Why so expensive? Or are we just lucky with 2 "cheaper" combines?
I still think anyone trying to convince themselves that this new Defender is still a “Defender” is fooling themselves. 53k?? For a utility vehicle? What utility is there that justifies that price? It’s a mall roundabout to show to your friends, through and through
V informative video. Considering the Land Rover is the new “farm vehicle”, it was a bit of an oversight not to have picked off road tyres as one of the options!!? These new Defenders are so expensive I don’t see how they will become popular with farmers. The pick-up is just as versatile and a lot cheaper. And then there are the ubiquitous ATVs that so many farmers seem to have these days.
Yes. Way to expensive. And you have to get a lift kit out of America to get the bigger tyres under them. And only auto. I like the new Isuzu dmax dual cab Utes .
JLR are known to be one of the most unreluable too. A HiLux is cheaper, better specced for the cost, perhaps more able and certainly more reliable. This is a loan by JLR as a tax write off/advert I guess.
I really enjoyed watching the breakdowns and maintenance videos. While I don't wish any breakdowns on you, seeing how the combine works when it's in bits is fascinating.
I chose to watch this first before the Jag Project! I'm not even a farmer but I like learning new stuff and Harry has a way of delivering it in a really engaging way.
There is something deeply satisfying about these videos. I wish I knew more about farming and growing things in general. Its always been something I've liked but never had the chance to take up.
Nice work on the breakdown on the costs on the combine.. But, isn't there also the interest cost of the initial purchase to annualise as a cost? Even if you can deduct that as an expense, it still counts right?
Surely if they were targeting farmers there would be a pick-up option available. Its a Chelsea tractor until that happens. I hope the ambient lighting can remember your selection unlike my 2018 evoque....it returns to white after a few hours. Bloody annoying.
Great stuff Harry, Defender looks ace, think a white roof would suit it, not sure spending money on black roof bars is important on a farm vehicle, maybe good for instagram likes 😆.
I am interested to see how you get on with the new Defender Uncle Harry. Looks great but it also looks enormous or is that just camera angles and similar? I saw one parked in a field here in France whilst attending a local clay shoot a few weeks ago. Looked very smart but big.
Very informative on farm (combine) economics, Clarknob could learn a lot from you (if he bothered to listen) and i amazed how quiet that disco was when you was driving it, modern diesels are on another level nowadays.
This is so awesome, love the costs of the combine. I have ‘22 D90 S in the states and we have 2 horse farms, perfect modern farming vehicle to accompany our Heavy Duty truck.
I do enjoy your videos. I’ve lived in South Lincolnshire all my life, so am surrounded by farming. My father was a land worker all his life, use to call them cabbage cutters once upon a time. I’m an engineer so didn’t follow in dads footsteps and go on the land but over the years I’ve become more and more fascinated by the farming I see as I drive around. Your videos are an education to me, they explain what I see and why it’s done that way, I guess there are subtle differences because of location. Thank you very much for sharing.
Really amazing how I remember when a local farmer got delivery of his 90 back in 1984 and upgraded from the Series 3 and seeing his combine harvester at work and when finished the season parked up in the shed I’m sure back then it was the same scenario as you portray in this video! Albeit many years ago but wonderful memories of the farming life I grew up in KENT,now I live in Australia and own a Series 3 1976 Swb a Defender 110 Td5 and a Discovery 4 5.0 litre V8 just need a combine harvester lol 😂 Great video as always keep up the good work! Thanks 😊
Cost saving pays for your project cars, and fish n chip meal out with with wife..cool man maths..thanks for sharing, enjoy your topics weirdly.. no explaining us petrol heads hay...😎
My brother sent me on a Land Rover advert job between my construction jobs. I had to tow an ex AA car recovery trailer from Pinewood to Cupar Scotland and meet up with a circus, parked the trailer on the show ground. Next morning the photographer had us set up the trailer, a few telephone calls later they found out the V8 engined LR would not be attending. It was decided to go ahead the trailer was coupled up to a Range Rover and blocked solid, an elephant dressed in dive gear stepped onto the trailer, several pictures were taken and that was it job done for us. The photographer then pre photoshop, stitched on the Land Rover, a lake and reflection, the add came out once in the Sunday Times. Great experience.
My farm is a similar size except in Essex, and I to run a oversized pre-owned Massey combine that probably was originally on 1000+ acre farm. 30 years ago farms of that size would have had 3 or 4 smaller combines that would then end up on 3 or 4 farms of our size. I did wonder what on earth I was going to do when combines started getting much bigger. Turns out I didn't have to worry too much as new machines lose so much money in the first few years us smaller farmers get a combine that harvests our fields in a third of the time it used to take which as was pointed out in the video means going when it's dry and getting crops in the shed quickly.
Very much enjoy the deep breakdown of the combine economics. Everything on rhe farm is done in a scientific and well thought out way.
Thanks for bringing us along!
Should have got a Lambo OG Hummer
Would have been better to see the income generated by it too, not just the cost.
@@thebrowns5337 yes I agree, but very rarely do farmers talk about profits
@@ianmitchell9102 @Ian Mitchell farmers don't really make profits, we work on making a living, with the rest either repaying the bank or returning back to replace or repair equipment or infrastructure. Yea i get it that it's still a profit, but the saying is asset rich, money poor, but it's not a profit like selling a table with a 15% mark-up so guaranteed return. Farmers have to deal in futures as they sell products forward, they can get penalties if not suitable humidity or the mill is just feeling full, machinery breaks, here the combine has done well, but you're always churning equipment. If a farm is limited you can look at statements through companies house. To be a poor farmer you need to start of being a rich one 😉
@@ianmitchell9102 - Clarkson did - £144 in a year 😂😂😂😂
Hello again 'Harry's Farm', Wow, once more this vlog is just briliant, such great information and insight into an industry I have never been involved in, please keep doing more. Regards, RichardA.
Fascinating economic summary of a combine.
Smart choice for a new Defender Harry! I’m a fan, however £ X .39 = $💰💰💰💰US 😎👍
Many thanks Harry.
I'd love to see a head-to-head between the new LandRover Defender and Ineos Grenadier when that's released next year.
I suspect the Grenadier project will be scrapped early 2022
@@peterh9238 They're balls deep now, it would be very late to scrap the project as they have purchased the factory and started to set up production lines. Most of the costs are sunk! 🤔
Ineos is made with much, much better parts.
@viktor cork have you seen the factory in France all set up. And the millions of pounds invested. It's definitely a go ahead.
Excellent video Harry. Your a professional farmer doing a good job.
That land rover defender is sooo ugly the alloys look so cheap ..a Toyota landcrusier is far superior machine
guess the only thing you missed would be the interest on the 84K of capital tied up in the combine. you will still be ahead with the drying cost savings though
I wan'r sure if the £15 per hour was just wages or included all employee costs (which can be the same amount again).
For me the number one benefit of having your own gear is being able to do it when you want and not joining the queue with a contractor
Makes the combine a much better value purchase compared to the Land Rover.
You get definitely more metal and functionality for your money. Combine might be a little bit slower, parking will be difficult and mpg should be a nightmare, just in comparison. Oh, and don't forget the washing/waxing factor.
I'd like to see the combine with a retractable towbar...would make interesting viewing seeing it on the motorway pulling a trailer along at 12mph.
A bit more utility from the Land Rover though if you put it to work 24/7... Not much you can do with the combine outside the harvesting season. ;)
I'd just buy a Lada Niva and remove the rear seats. 50k saved.
You could genuinely get a brand new Niva imported for half the price in top spec with all the options, that's track conversion (as in 4 tracks that mount to the hubs), camo paint/wrap, roofrack, gun rack, snow plow, the lot. For that you could even get a LWB police pickup with heavy machine gun of some sort (guns aren't my thing) mounted in the back (bullets not included, but I think the fully functional gun is), but I imagine Harry might have some issues importing that one. :)
You could get 4 base models as they start at £12'000. The 'The Late Brake Show' channel has a video reviewing a 2021 example. I think it's even ULEZ compliant. :)
And they are more reliable
That's not a great competitor for the combine
@@markwright3161 Speaking od ULEZ, I never understood why the Niva hasn't cought up with the hipsters. It would be a cool thing to cruise around central London. Much tastier than a G class.
Great looking Land Rover but the common sense side of my brain says, " Go for the Toyota instead, you will thank me when it gets to 100k miles"
My Land Rover L322 has 232k miles on the clock so I kind of disagree if I’m honest
Hard to compare with a top spec Japanese pick up (take your pick) which wont be far off half the price. Is a defender twice the vehicle?
Compared to a combine harvester, a Land Rover farm run about is a ridiculous amount of money.
Ah but the Defender is not farm transport but a limo with agricultural pretensions.
A big part of having your own gear is 'availability when needed', waiting while a contractor is doing someone else's barley and it can drive you crazy
Doing it yourself means you can plan and do at the optimum time.... and be flexible where contracting means you join a queue....Thanks for explaining. The Defender was the MoD choice for army etc, I wonder if all the tarting up will make it unsuited or maybe a sub base model for troops? Should tow a house with a 3 litre plant.
£15 an hour to drive a machine that complicated? No wonder there's a hgv driver shortage.
Yes, £15/hour, doesn't appear to me like a sensible rate per hour - when self employed plumbers, sparky's, and joiners are charging at least £30/hour up here in Scotland - and I will bet the Landrover garage will be charging you at least £150/hour when you take your new Defender in for a service.
thats a goos rate for a combine driver. nearer 10-12/hour. agricultural wages are low because comodity prices are low..
@@andrewgreen619 That is a fair point about the low commodity prices - but I feel it just goes to show how how massively undervalued farmers are in relation to other workers in the community - as I said in my first response above. Especially, when you factor in - how important food production is to us all.
@@MrMunroMan Correct, .......I've just had to pay an electrician £146 for one hour's work to fit in a socket box, (I'm not in the country to do it myself !) But where the hell do they get these numbers from ?
@@mikanfarmer Sparkies have a lot of expenses to cover.
They say there is a great element of truth in, when the economical working life of a combine is over, the engine is just nicely run in.
Harry: 350k for a new combine, we won't be doing that.
Charlie: tracks you say?
You certainly have to do the maths before making any farming purchases. Great vid 👍
I was amazed, given the size & complexity of them, how cheap that combine was. And I imagine not a mass-produced item!
In the breakdown of the costs of buying / operating vs hiring of the combine, you didn't include cost of money. If you had the cash to buy the combine, then generally your numbers still work as investment interest rates are quite low. However, if (as I suspect) in line with many other farms you have a long term debt, the numbers are very different. Assuming a long term debt cost of 4%, the cost of money over the four year period in question is £13,760, which skews the numbers towards hiring.
Absolutely spot on in your analysis I believe!
nearly £ 3000 a service and none of these faults were picked up on a vehicle that works this hard! Obviously these faults were all new to the dealer and never happened before on a harvester.You did not have to be an engineer to see that pulley was corroded and would fail very soon.
Surely depends on the service level. It’s hard to pick up all faults and wearing parts on combines such pulleys and bearings do fail under strain. This year has been hard on machines due to high yields. In normal years it may not have failed. Anyway it would have been an extra £900 at service point or when it failed.
Look up deboss garage HD RUclips channel, series of vids on a Case combine. Then you will see how complex and tricky it is to monitor and service one of these beasts, and that's with a mechanically adept owner. Farms have something that needs attending to daily it's not 9 to 5. Harry's breakdown looks a reasonable ROI for me.
"I really tried to avoid ticking any extra boxes to keep the price low"
"black roof bars - £330"
:P Like, ok, but surely........I'd just keep it in white, no extra colours or anything. The underbody protection, the winter pack, the tow bar - all of that I get. But if you're trying to keep the price down why spend almost £900 on paint and £330 to have the roof bars in black.
All relative…..!!!
I know cars are your 'thing' Harry but I really do enjoy your "Farm" videos far more, always interesting especially for us non farmers.
Agree. I started watching Harry for the cars, but now I prefer the farming content.
@@peterknight7880 Harry has a very good presentational style, he really communicates well and for a non farmer like me, I find things like his episode on the "Red Tractor" label highly informative. Also RUclips is full of car review stuff and anyway, I could never afford let alone desire the typical car that Harry seems to like :)
I wonder how many people watching this don't realise the Defender and the Discovery are made in Slovakia.
They'll probably be better built as a result of not coming out of Solihull! ;-)
@@atoieno - "All out on strike, brothers, there's no loo paper in the toilets!"
I thought that's where poor quality hoovers were made?
( slow - vacc - ia )
I thought they were made in India. and designed by landrover in the UK ?
@@melpeddle7243 JLR is OWNED by the Indian company Tata.
The Halewood Plant makes the Land Rover Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque.
The Nitra Plant, Slovakia: Makes the Land Rover Discovery and Land Rover Defender.
In addition, they have factories in India, Brazil and China building cars for those regions, not the European market.
I grew up on a 5,000 acre grain farm in Texas - this was in the 1980s. We ran 4 combines to harvest wheat, sorghum, barely, corn mostly. 2 of them were John Deere 4400s that were purchased new in the late 70s, and 2 were International Harvester 1420s bought new in the early 80s. This was just before IH and Case merged. Before my time we usually ran 4 John Deere machines - whatever model was biggest. Typically I think we ran 2 older ones and 2 newer models). I can confidently agree with Harry - breakdowns happen regularly. They aren’t cars and, for example, our winter wheat harvest took at least 2 weeks running them at least 16 hours a day - with two meal breaks. So they work hard!!
Now you have the workshop space i would consider, either conducting thorough winter off season servicing yourself and carrying consumable replacement parts, i think you right on keeping it, as regards the fake LR i reckon you are better off with a fully restored 300tdi, its great to go shopping in town but as soon as i threw a few chainsaws and logs in the back it would be worth jack sh1t, sad end to an iconic marque!
Love this channel, really wish I’d followed my ancestors & gone into farming, but it is too late, why on earth do some people give a thumbs down? I can’t understand it. Harry makes things so interesting.
It's very interesting I agree and a great way to spend spring and summer days no doubt but after watching Clarkson's farm I think (like Harry) you might need to have something else going on the side .. or again like Harry be a good accountant for everything!
Great video, thank you! "Mudguards are optional" - if ever we needed yet another sign that LR are losing their way!
There’s two sizes of mudguards should you choose, they’re both reasonably priced including fitting (they’re bolted on under trim). Some people don’t want them. Not a big deal
Great break down of the costs Harry. Very interesting to see a farmer that knows their costs. Adding to the benefit of having your own flexibility to cut when you want is a big benefit.
£15 per hour and I wonder why there are no drivers.
Poor pay for a skilled job.
Defender seems like far too much money to me for a vehicle that just needs to work around a farm?
Get a Hilux ya reckon
@Bercilak de hautdesert have you got a farm then?
I am curious to see a follow-up video on reliability/dependability of the Defender a yer later.
I've had my Defender 110 P200 for a year, 9,800 miles and a couple of thousand of those towing to south of France and back. Zero problems to report and still runs like new. Like Harry, I didn't pimp mine up and paid a lowly £47,600.
@@VickersDoorter It runs like new because it IS new. Come on dude 9800 is used - like new territory.
Ooh all those sensors. Use it as a proper landy and see how they stand up to abuse.
Landys have always been plagued by electrical faults. Even my 2A with Zero tech
Very interesting on the costs. Always nice to know what is going on, I live in Cheshire and often cycle or drive through the countryside. Still amazes me that it breaks down so much even though the total hours used seems small compared to a car. Then again, it is complex as you said, and it is doing the work of many men. Before this "industrial revolution" thingy - we all worked down on the farm full time to keep ourselves fed!
Wow no one breaks it down like our Harry. Good for non-farmers to see these costs and what it takes. And that's just the combine. 👍👍👍👍
Yep. Looking forward to the profit/loss video for 2021 as well. See the final outcome of all this hard work.
Some of those option prices are a joke . It's turned into BMW/Merc land . Who the heck wants a fold away tow . One just leaves it there ...........
Mechanical key might be safer than keyless given how many Land Rovers are stolen. Hope you get to try the Ineos Grenadier as a comparison.
Another very interesting video , especially the farm economics with the combine.
I feel the big question with the Defender , whilst it very good is it worth the expense over some of the Japanese etc cab/ flatbeds vehicles we see around .
Really interesting to hear the real world combine figures, especially the comparison with using contractors.
Wish you were the Chancellor of the exchequer Harry!!
No. I go further. Prime Minister!!!
Over a grand on green paint (on a Landrover green ought to be free - it's a basic colour) and black roof rails! Yes...black - once the free version and you had to pay to have them painted silver.
LED lights!?
Mate, you didn't try hard to spec a farm version. Be honest.
Besides a farm version would be a HiLux or Warrior, lol.
Harry. Thanks for breaking down all the figures that most people have no idea about. Really good video.
@James Smith that's because he is.
@James Smith he doesn't work in a garage. He owns a fleet of amazing cars that he is repairing and keeps at his house in a large garage.
That disappearing hitch is quite a piece of engineering.
What will they think of next?
I rode on a combine, with no cab, back in the mid 60s. Got the wind in my face whipping chaf in my face making me miserable and then drove a tractor after harvest plowing a field also with no cab. Got heat stroke from that.
I'm glad farmers don't have to deal with that sort of thing now days. Now if they can just get the weather to cooperate.
That sort of money gets you a far better Toyota 4WD in Australia, due to free trade with Japan and Thailand. 🇦🇺🦘
Trade is about the only free thing in Australia currently.
I don't know about that. The new Prados are a heap of Sht. The injectors are a huge problem. The oil pick up is garbage and the EGR valve is nothing but trouble. I think the new Isuzu dmax is way better for problem free 4wdriving.
@@melpeddle7243 i own a 2008 Prado and a 2017 Fortuner both go off road weekly. I have had no problems. Australia’s number one selling engine, the Toyota 2.8 diesel is in that position because it is reliable and economical to own. I haven’t even seen a new Land Rover on the road here in Australia.
That maybe true, but the comfort and driving characteristics of the Defender are in a different league to any other brand out there, nothing feels as good as the driving position in a Land Rover. I've driven all around and through Australia in various prado's, land cruisers etc, apart from the ancient drive train (which is reliable) nearly everything else was broken on all of them, stereos, windows, switches, air con etc,etc. We did the Gibb river road in a Discovery and it was night and day better in every way. And no, it didn't breakdown.
@@tonydoggett7627 how many km have u done with the Prado ? And what age is it ?. Because just look up the Prado here on RUclips with a mechanic in Australia. And the d4. I have a fair few mates in the mechanic and 4wd profession. And the most reliable is the Isuzu drive train. And way cheaper also. U might just be lucky. Some models were better than others. Same as the Mitsubishi tritan early models had a lot of trouble but the 2008 was a very good model. All the mines and rentals in fnq and Darwin nearly all have Isuzu.
I very much enjoyed this video. Most interesting. An uncle had a series one Land Rover and one of the very earliest Range Rovers. I consider myself fortunate to have driven both. The series one was fully restored from a dreadful state - it was a badly rusted chassis and seized engine when purchased. I have had several series 2 and 2A. Wonderful vehicles.
Land Rover cannot expect small businesses and farmers to shell out £45k+ for a bog standard Defender. It’s very clearly a lifestyle car aimed at people who like what the old Defender represents but really want a G Wagen.
Specced a Defender to mid 50's then gave up, Local dealer was doing Navaras for 23k New 5 year warranty it's definitely not a vehicle aimed at the commercial market any longer.
The compartment under the load bed needs a remotely-controlled plug on the bottom, to drain the dog piss out.
This is not a farm vehicle. I talk to lots of Welsh hill farmers, and know that there is a demand for LR vehicles, because they are better at pulling loaded stock trailers through mud. The 4wd system is more sophisticated/capable than on the Japanese pickup trucks that my pals also own. Mudfaps, green paint, no plastic trim at all, galv steel finish on the inside, which can be cleaned with a pressure washer, without buggering up the electrics. That is the specification they want.
Feel like the value for money on the defender is ridiculous, having to pay extra for standard protection like guards on a "dedicated" offroader is robbery
Something that is meant to be a work vehicle should have a towbar standard too.
But that's not what the Defender is for.
If it was his own money, or wasn't going to flip it in a short market, I'm sure he'd prefer a Grenadier.
@@BRMCaptChaos this version of the defender is for exactly that. No one is going to buy a 2 door SUV with only 3 seats for the school run.
Hearing that you and your son worked like Billy-o made me laugh. I've never heard anyone but my old Grannie use that phrase before.
I remember having a secret compartment in the boot of my Freelander back in 1999, for some reason it always filled with water.
This thing has no right to be called a defender
£895 for the green paint as an extra ? so i take it the Landrover,s dont come painted ?, and the storage space under the rear floor, well thats a brain storming idea as you would nearly need to take every thing out of the rear to get to the under floor storage space,,,
since your neighbor jeremy now has a show called clarcksons farm you had to make your own interpretation harrys farm?
?Why don't JCB do an OLD SCHOOL Defender Replacement?
I hadn’t realised that your drum hours would be so low - but I’m sure that your approach of an “oversized” combine that has already depreciated is the key to an economical and (hopefully!!) low stress harvest. Great video, as ever,
(My friends new defender was taken back by Land Rover head office to try and learn lessons on why it’s reliability was so horrific. Hopefully yours will be better, but £53k for cloth seats sounds a touch steep!!)
Fantastic number crunching on your combine, the only thing I would say about contractors is everyone wants them at the same time so having your is a real plus point and no waiting to cut.
Don't you combine other farmers crops and charge them for harvesting, that would help cover the costs surely?
Great breakdown of Combine costs. The only thing missing (but I doubt will alter the outcome) is the finance cost or loss of investment passive income against the GBP86,500 ... that said, you will taxed on any capital gain!!
Would be nice to see Harry & Clarkson exchange stories of their farming experiences.
We're running a Claas here, and we're surprised you have bills over €1.000! That's absurd Harry. We also have had an older John Deere, that was a little more expensive, but dad looked it up, never more than € 2.500. with a yearly average of about 20-30% more hours than yours. Why so expensive? Or are we just lucky with 2 "cheaper" combines?
Ahh, but you haven’t factored in the cost of Charlie!! Something tells me he doesn’t come cheap 😂
I still think anyone trying to convince themselves that this new Defender is still a “Defender” is fooling themselves. 53k?? For a utility vehicle? What utility is there that justifies that price? It’s a mall roundabout to show to your friends, through and through
V informative video. Considering the Land Rover is the new “farm vehicle”, it was a bit of an oversight not to have picked off road tyres as one of the options!!? These new Defenders are so expensive I don’t see how they will become popular with farmers. The pick-up is just as versatile and a lot cheaper. And then there are the ubiquitous ATVs that so many farmers seem to have these days.
Yes. Way to expensive. And you have to get a lift kit out of America to get the bigger tyres under them. And only auto. I like the new Isuzu dmax dual cab Utes .
JLR are known to be one of the most unreluable too. A HiLux is cheaper, better specced for the cost, perhaps more able and certainly more reliable.
This is a loan by JLR as a tax write off/advert I guess.
I really enjoyed watching the breakdowns and maintenance videos. While I don't wish any breakdowns on you, seeing how the combine works when it's in bits is fascinating.
I read them comments about the combine Harry comes on blows there opinion out the water 😂🤌
I chose to watch this first before the Jag Project! I'm not even a farmer but I like learning new stuff and Harry has a way of delivering it in a really engaging way.
brilliant as always, I just love the detailed information thank you
Thanks for the figures on the combine Harry you seem pretty chilled about what it costs to run, if it was me I would be having sleepless nights. Haha.
Fraid those are the size of numbers in farming , if not larger.
A normal farmer would buy a Landcruiser Most contractors around here change combines every 3 - 4 years
There is something deeply satisfying about these videos. I wish I knew more about farming and growing things in general. Its always been something I've liked but never had the chance to take up.
Defender rich farmers toy ! The price of two Nissan Navara 🤔
Nice work on the breakdown on the costs on the combine.. But, isn't there also the interest cost of the initial purchase to annualise as a cost? Even if you can deduct that as an expense, it still counts right?
Surely if they were targeting farmers there would be a pick-up option available. Its a Chelsea tractor until that happens. I hope the ambient lighting can remember your selection unlike my 2018 evoque....it returns to white after a few hours. Bloody annoying.
Great stuff Harry, Defender looks ace, think a white roof would suit it, not sure spending money on black roof bars is important on a farm vehicle, maybe good for instagram likes 😆.
I am interested to see how you get on with the new Defender Uncle Harry. Looks great but it also looks enormous or is that just camera angles and similar? I saw one parked in a field here in France whilst attending a local clay shoot a few weeks ago. Looked very smart but big.
Thanks for the breakdown on combine costs. Really helps in some of the business cases I’m building. Besides that: love both of your channels
seems that the camera man is trying hard to not film the dashboard of that defender 🤣🤣🤣. Is there something of interest on that dashboard?
Very informative on farm (combine) economics, Clarknob could learn a lot from you (if he bothered to listen) and i amazed how quiet that disco was when you was driving it, modern diesels are on another level nowadays.
The combine looks good value compared to the Defender
Why buy a Slovakian Defender ....?
Why no nice dark greens or dark blues, I dont get it?
I think Land Rover has lost the plot with their pricing
An hour in since posting both, Harry's Farm has only a couple of hundred fewer views than Harry's Garage. You've got some hardcore ag fans, Harry!
Farming is far more interesting than we thought! And Harry explains things so well.
Agree.. excellent content really enjoyable to watch for farming and I'm sure none farming public..
Thank you Harry..
This is so awesome, love the costs of the combine. I have ‘22 D90 S in the states and we have 2 horse farms, perfect modern farming vehicle to accompany our Heavy Duty truck.
Great video Harry so informative.keep them coming👍🏴
I do enjoy your videos. I’ve lived in South Lincolnshire all my life, so am surrounded by farming. My father was a land worker all his life, use to call them cabbage cutters once upon a time. I’m an engineer so didn’t follow in dads footsteps and go on the land but over the years I’ve become more and more fascinated by the farming I see as I drive around. Your videos are an education to me, they explain what I see and why it’s done that way, I guess there are subtle differences because of location. Thank you very much for sharing.
Just buy a Hilux then forget about it for at least 5 years
Is a Disco 4 not a better Defender than a New Defender??
Really amazing how I remember when a local farmer got delivery of his 90 back in 1984 and upgraded from the Series 3 and seeing his combine harvester at work and when finished the season parked up in the shed I’m sure back then it was the same scenario as you portray in this video!
Albeit many years ago but wonderful memories of the farming life I grew up in KENT,now I live in Australia and own a Series 3 1976 Swb a Defender 110 Td5 and a Discovery 4 5.0 litre V8 just need a combine harvester lol 😂
Great video as always keep up the good work!
Thanks 😊
Love Harrys farm..👍🏻
Cost saving pays for your project cars, and fish n chip meal out with with wife..cool man maths..thanks for sharing, enjoy your topics weirdly.. no explaining us petrol heads hay...😎
Ignore the moaners Harry, I very much enjoy the fine detail you cover on the combine etc. It gives a far more realistic experience.
Just such a disappointing car for 53k
Why not buy a second hand LR Discovery ?
- cheaper
- carefree
- avaliable now, no need to wait
- did I say cheaper by the way ?
Love your videos even though I have no clue about farming.
Is "Fender" your nickname for it? Would be good to have some comparison stats against the Series 1.
My brother sent me on a Land Rover advert job between my construction jobs.
I had to tow an ex AA car recovery trailer from Pinewood to Cupar Scotland and meet up with a circus, parked the trailer on the show ground. Next morning the photographer had us set up the trailer, a few telephone calls later they found out the V8 engined LR would not be attending.
It was decided to go ahead the trailer was coupled up to a Range Rover and blocked solid, an elephant dressed in dive gear stepped onto the trailer, several pictures were taken and that was it job done for us.
The photographer then pre photoshop, stitched on the Land Rover, a lake and reflection, the add came out once in the Sunday Times. Great experience.
Basic - 53K 🤪 ahem! moving along 🤓
My farm is a similar size except in Essex, and I to run a oversized pre-owned Massey combine that probably was originally on 1000+ acre farm.
30 years ago farms of that size would have had 3 or 4 smaller combines that would then end up on 3 or 4 farms of our size.
I did wonder what on earth I was going to do when combines started getting much bigger. Turns out I didn't have to worry too much as new machines lose so much money in the first few years us smaller farmers get a combine that harvests our fields in a third of the time it used to take which as was pointed out in the video means going when it's dry and getting crops in the shed quickly.
Harry, does the spare tyre get in the way when hooking on a trailer?