Why JCB thinks hydrogen is the best alternative to diesel for heavy machinery, farming and HGV fleet
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2021
- JCB are actively investigating the best alternative to diesel for powering their machines in this new age of alternative fuels to help combat climate change. They have discovered batteries are okay for light duty machines but not for the heavier load machines like excavators and tractors. Hydrogen fuel cells are also being tested but their cost is prohibitive, so JCB investigated the possibility of swapping diesel for hydrogen in their regular diesel engines and liked what they discovered..
I work in Oil & Gas on the EPC side of things and have contact with people at the majors. I can confirm that this industry is increasingly getting focused on hydrogen.
which you could split off of oil. perhaps not efficiently at this point but if they ever figure out industrial scale graphene production you have a market for all that carbon in the oil too.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
@@brianevolved2849 Hydrogen is being produced by wind farms when there is no electricity demand. This is now going to become common place.
@@kip8790 Hi, but where and how Hydrogen is stored after being "produced", do you know what is efficiency on electrolysis (very poor), then compression, cooling down and how to distribute to long distance?
I am happy for Hydrogen being on Oil companies target, but unfortunately it won't be as clean as we would expect.
Wind turbines are the dirtiest machines to produce electricity, mostly work on 30% efficiency, when not to windy is no good when to windy not good either.
Electricity prices goes up as soon as Wind Turbines appears. This is the result of overproduction fines being sent to electricity suppliers not being able to receive energy over produced in windy days, the winner is Wind Turbine owner, NO ONE ELSE.
Talk to me about this. We are developing a major Hydro project for green hydrogen in the UK.
That's a boost to British Engineering, feel proud to see that. Thank you Harry for a fascinating look at the future. Take care.
A boost to british engineering would be to ignore the globalist paymasters, tell them to fuck themselves and stick with diesel . All these new engines might be fine for the likes of loard bumford (clear nonce) but it's going to cripple small businesses.
@@feolender2938 exactly. This clown wouldn’t even know how to operate a spade,without invading the colonies to exploit their valuable minerals. Absolute BS?
Harry just has some of the most interesting content coming out of nowhere.
Its not coming out of nowhere 😂😁. (Harry knows his shit that's why he started EVO).
Exceptional video.
was the helicopter saving green house gases.
@@garyihde2293 He planted a redwood to compensate for it
@@garyihde2293 4
I had no point of view on any level towards these industrial brands/products.
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Now I love JCB because of this research. What a great job, both with the video and the JCB engineering. 👌👌👌
It's amazing how easy it is to brainwash the sheeple. Like the global warming scam. You'd think a "farmer" would be teaching people that CO2 is PLANT FOOD! And we are at historically low CO2 levels.
Then you've been suckered by the propaganda. Do some googling and read up on JCB, their lobbying, why they've been in the headlines for the last few years and how much damage they've helped inflict.
I'm frankly staggered this channel has been suckered into shilling for them.
An absolute landmark moment in the journey to decarbonising transport, agriculture and construction vehicles. Congrats to the team at JCB for cracking this, and well done Harry for some superb journalism - absolutely nailed it. Thanks so much.
VOLVO TRUCKs have been using Hydrogen for the past 10 years
@@MOSSFEEN And Volvo trucks is going BEV now for good reasons
This isn't "journalism". It more a thinly veiled advertisement, one that omits some very important negatives of hydrogen. (the same reasons why basically no one else is going this route)
Nothing cracked at all. The numbers and logistics just don’t add up.
Fuell cell maybe one day but not ICE.
@@alantownsley6391 Have you heard what F1's Ross Brawn has had to say about Hydrogen's future use in F1
One of the most important interviews, for a true insight, to our modern emerging world. Thank you.
Unfortunately not. this offering ignores the main problem with hydrogen, which unfortunately Harry et al either choose not to mention or simply don't understand!
your going to love your social credits , i bet .
@@dipladonic What's the "main problem"? Is it getting the hydrogen to the farm, mine, constriction site, military battle and storing it there (safely and economically) for transfer to the using machine? Whatever the problem is, you can be sure this Bamford chap is working on it - with his engineers, prototypes and field testing.
@@Myrmecia If you want to save the planet from the man-made CO2 climate emergency the main problem with 'green' hydrogen is that it takes a huge amount of unreliable and dilute wind and solar energy to make a tiny amount of green hydrogen.
@@dipladonic Thanks for your prompt reply and alerting me to this issue. I am not an engineer, so I will just have to stay alert for any coverage on this issue which expands on the importance of the "huge amount" and "tiny amount" you refer to.
Brilliant video Harry, an eye opener....Lord Bamford's take on the rush to electric is spot on. Politicians are guided too much by the press who are manned by less than well informed writers.
Unfortunately a high degree of our leaders , of any political persuasion, are not visionaries or engineers ........ very sadly
It’s disturbing how ignorant some journalists are, I used to read a popular scientific journal till it ran an article on a subject I was working on. It was so wide of the mark I stopped reading it. A lot of public thinking is however shaped by uninformed but articulate journalism.
Well done Harry for seeking out knowledge, first hand.
How many politicians are engineers and understand what they are being sold.
@@colinsandford4500 Try looking for any signs of intelligent life in Parliament is a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack. Some of the political clips on YT u do wonder how they manage to fill in a form ?
I love this channel it’s just so nice and refreshing to watch.
Is Harry the only farmer that wears a Pagani bodywarmer ?
I don’t even know what a pagani body warmer is but who cares
Don't forget, David Brown and Lamborghini were both tractor-makers!
@@barrytipton1179 its a gilet type garment that says Pagani on it.
Maybe Jeremy Clarkson
so he's wearing a vest. a lot of farmers do that. older men need to stay warm
Absolutely impressive. This is clearly where both cars and heavy vehicles need to go. Able to use parts of existing internal combustion engines, no restriction on range, keeps todays mechanics and engineers in jobs and its clean Whats not to like...governments and industry clearly need to get on board
The government's and car companies are being controlled by a certain billionaire with his green credits so any other alternative technology is overlooked.
The cost of producing hydrogen for fuel is and always will be prohibitive to hydrogens uptake in applications where battery electric is possible
Burning hydrogen in a ICE is incredibly wasteful, still produces tailpipe emissions, and only serves to keep those that have blindly invested in further ICE production in business.
they need not go anywhere. the only thing forcing this and keeping us dependant on fossil fuels is the Gov's hand in the petroleum industry's pocket. there is a huge number of alternative fuels which would be just as practical as petroleum when used in tandem.
What’s not to like? The inherently lower end to end energy efficiency compared to the battery solution.
Like has been said, batteries are untenable for certain applications, but for the majority they work fine, and simply use less energy.
Great video, great to see Hydrogen getting some recognition as the true zero emission alternative too. My wife has done extensive research on Hydrogen combustion retrofits for HGV and bus applications and the Gov are looking at it actively. I truly do not see why battery electric is seen as this one true hope for humanity. It makes no sense.
You are correct it's seems to be an all or nothing approach. Lord Bamford is correct about mining for the metals needed too .
Hydrogen In ICE is not zero emission. There will be nox
Hydrogen causes metal embrittlement, it will destroy engines. It's also difficult to store a useful amount of hydrogen onboard something which uses it as inefficiently as an ICE vehicle.
@@PistonAvatarGuy Is this for all metals? Maybe we need to develop the system more rather than sideline it completely. EVs are certainly not the complete answer
@@Kurol12345 I think that some can be made to endure exposure to hydrogen, but whether or not they can be made suitable for use in engines is another question. That's also just the beginning of the problems associated with using hydrogen as a fuel.
What knowledgeable Gent Lord Bamford is , fantastic.
Tug your forelock.
@ have you watched the video or seen lord bamford and know he is a brexiteer and commented.
@@ElliHarper Sadly we will never really got a real Brexit and with the new Marxist Governnent taking over there will never let us taste Democracy again.
Very surprised no-one has snapped you up for a show. You demeanor and honest feel approach, along with actual factual information make this content second to none.
They already got that other car tv guy, whathisname
Harry already has a show, it's just not called scheduled television like it used to be called
Modern MSM producers etc. are so politicised they wouldn’t want Harry’s fact based approach to problem solving, it doesn’t fit their agenda. Best to stay on RUclips Harry.
BTW Another fascinating, insightful and thought provoking video Harry, thank you.
TonyS
I imagine Harry is very happy running his own show(s) he's done it all pretty much in the automotive world and is Lord of his own online meta-manor ( as they might say these days :)
Cause he aint diverse enough
I love the strategic nature of this channel, petrol power will always remain interesting to me, although perhaps only as a leisure vehicle in the longer term; then we go to growing alternative fuel crops and now hydrogen powered engines which are clearly more akin to how we have replenished the fuel in our beasts in the past and seem to offer the longevity of driving hours lacking in battery powered options.
Great to see british engineering is alive and wellwith a can doit is possibleattitude
Great to see British engineering doing what they do best. World leading let’s hope the British government back it up and listen to them instead of being blinkered.
Yes doing what they do best stealing ideas and pretending to be innovators. You dumb gullible simps.
I ran an engine diagnostic garage for 20 years/ and all the green heads kept on about batteries ( no ad mission of the damage to the planet to mine all the ingreadients or the pollution to ship them where yhey were needed/ battery front is dead no reliability too long to refuel it was BS in the first order / if fuel cells were just too expensive it had to come down to Internal combustion set up / step in the boffins who know the pressures that they need to inject the hydrogen at
@ Stole what ideas do tell? British were way ahead of teh curve but always sabotaged by their own goverment, especially when they gave away lots of secrets to the USA during ww2.
Ireland in the other hand asks Britain for handouts and is defebended By the UK RAF but your welcome lol
@ care to elaborate 🤨
This is fascinating stuff, and the best, up-to-date review regarding the future of machinery in my sector (Horticulture/Agriculture). Thanks Harry.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
'The problem is not with the engine, the problem is with the fossil fuel'.
So simple, yet WHY is this so difficult for politicians (who are making the short-sighted decisions to kill the ICE) to understand? By all means set the limits - but leave the engineers to come up with the solutions: EVs/Batteries are NOT the sole solution.
"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
There is not a single scientist or engineer in the Downing Street cabinet.
no hydrogen comes from water H20 all you have to do is split the hydrogen from water with electricity (hydrolysis). You guys need to wake up, the reason why this tech hasn't been used is because they can't charge us anywhere near as much (or they've yet to think of a way they can charge us) for using water as fuel. It's very important to understand this is a deliberate premeditated act of greed. Follow the money..
The majority of Hydrogen today (97%) comes from natural gas, not from water.
Burning hydrogen still produces NOx emissions at the tailpipe.
@@EP-bb1rm if that's the case they are deliberately ignoring water as an alternative source for hydrogen to justify what would be a significant cost increase at the pump.
@@tedtheturbot only countries that have enough nuclear power plants will have enough energy to make hydrogen from water as economical as making hydrogen from natural gas.
Couldn’t agree more with JCB. The very best of luck to this fantastic British company.
good luck, because they are going to go bankrupt if they drop money into this crap
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
What a brilliant person Lord Banford is, a role model for all engineers and business minded people .
I would suggest you do a little research before making such comments. His company set up is dubious to say the very least. From parent companies in Liberia and Holland. You will not hear many of the locals from Oxfordshire and south Warwickshire speak highly of them either. Not to mention the court cases involving other family members.
Lord Bamford very similar to Harry Ferguson who was a brilliant engineer and inventor who was ahead of his time
@@ElliHarper You clearly have access to the internet. Try goggling his name and court cases. Teach yourself 👍
impressive that the head honcho can talk so knowledgeably about his companies products and ther place in the market without handing over to a head of marketing after the prelim;'s, . British product, tremendously impressed.
Lord Bamford also thinks Brexit is great. He was fined £22million for antitrust breaches. So I'd wait and see.
@@VanderlyndenJengold I like the fellow even more.
@@dogpaw775 If you buy his products it likely meant he's shafted you.. but if that's your thing....
@@VanderlyndenJengold Given he's a Brexiteer, he like being shafted regardless.
My son completed his apprenticeship for JCB during the pandemic only to be told that the company would not renew his contract…….and then simply started another apprentice…….sorry but they treat the employees like 💩
I've been binge watching all the Harry's farm video's the last couple of days and they are very good, thanks ever so much Harry!
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
Harry, correction to your comment on energy density. There are two measures of energy density for a fuel, gravimetric (the amount of energy in one kilogram) and volumetric (the amount of energy in 1 litre). Hydrogen is very good gravimetrically, 3 times better than diesel but much worse volumetrically, ~8-10 times depending on the pressure. This is probably still OK for a tractor, you will just have to fill up a bit more frequently and have a somewhat larger fuel tank. For aircraft it is a real problem due to the increased drag from the much larger fuel tanks. The other issue with hydrogen is the cost of the fuel, per kWh it is going to be significantly more expensive than electricity, although the exact price depends on who you listen to. Otherwise good video thanks.
I think the other factor is that the Hydrogen engine uses a very lean mixture, so they can provide a full day's operating time with Hydrogen cylinders fitted inside the existing fuel tank space.
Volumetrically, is that how you are now measuring the size of your obese wife?
You can pressurise hydrogen, you can't batteries and diesel. So volumetric energy density isn't too important for hydrogen. Weight is key, we see this with battery electric vehicles
At last Lord Bamford has achieved a reliable, zero emission ICE which can be sold and maintained on a global basis and will probably produce similar, if not more power and torque than the best of the diesels. Now we have to ensure that the politicians realise their error in heavily supporting unsustainable electric power. I’ve recently ordered a hybrid car because I don’t believe a total electric car is the answer but we are governed by people who don’t have the understanding to put in place a replacement for fossil fuels which won’t damage the economy and will produce at worst the same performance or probably increased performance without increasing inflation to a point where that in itself becomes unsustainable. Thank you Harry for raising this matter and I hope that whenever possible you can use your influence to encourage what we are best at and that’s engineering in its finest form.
Why is electric power unsustainable?
@@proxy7863 it is my personal view that there is a limited amount of the materials such as lithium to make batteries and the cost of mining the raw materials will rapidly increase once cars are running on batteries. Also the footprint for transporting these raw materials is such that I suspect the environmental cost is not dissimilar to fossil fuels. Hydrogen is a much better way forward.
@@chrisflemington819 You are worried about the transportation costs of the 10kg of lithium a car will use in its lifetime but not the 10 tons of fuel an ICE car uses?
There is enough lithium around to make everyone on the planet a house out of the stuff. Lithium is common. Also lithium is not fundamental to battery tech. It is also recyclable.
There is about as much lithium in a top end tesla as there is lead in a normal car. And lithium is more common than lead. We will never, ever, run out of lithium.
As for transportation costs they are trivial compared with hydrogen transportation which requires specialist equipment.
@@chrisflemington819 Lithium is one of the most abundant minerals on earth so we shouldn't run out for quite a while. Hydrogen is more abundant but difficult to get and not very stable. Mining and transport of lithium has an environmental cost but is a lot better than fossil fuels. Once local production (Cornwall for UK) comes online the these costs should fall even further.
There is no such thing as a 'zero emission ICE'. Electric motors and batteries can be sold and maintained on a global basis, the technology is older than the ICE. Electric motors have more torque and power than a diesel.
Fascinating video, as always. Harry your videos are so educational and informative especially your crop walks.
I look forward to the next one.
Wow. This video has shed light on a side of the future of engines I didn't even realise existed. Thank you for the insight
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
Harry your content is the most logical and interesting I’ve listened to.
Fantastic video, very proud to see a British Company, JCB, at the forefront, pioneering future technology. Thanks for sharing this video. 👍
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
Superb interview with Lord Bamford, what a great video Harry.
Fascinating watching this after watching the new video from yesterday. Amazing progress.
What a fantastic video Harry and team. JCB is an icon of british engineering and ingenuity and its refreshing to see them still at the forefront of R&D into new technologies.
Akin to James Watt's modification of the steam engine - making mechanized transport via rail a global norm? 🙂
My favourite video you've done. Really interesting content and great to see jCB engineering a sensible replacement for diesel.
Excellent documentary. Thanks to Lord Bamford and Harry for this informative piece.
This channel's more important than the ITN news
Doesn't take much to do that 😀
How about BBC and ITN news combined!
Brilliant Harry, thank you sir
This is interesting and fascinating. I've often wondered how on earth we're supposed to power all these EV's when we can't even provide enough power to keep the country cool for a couple of days without blackouts. So many people don't think about how important downtime and payloads are to the heavy vehicle industry. Cars run for a max of an hour or two per day not 18hrs. Great stuff as always
harry i always enjoy your farm videos, as a small farmer/entrepreneur i find it most interesting to watch your view ffom what i presume is a on farming background. However, i think your video with Lord Bamford and his vision of green hydrogeh energy one of the most informative and educational articles i have seen for many years.Well done.
Absolutely fascinating Harry. I really enjoyed this video. Any chance of seeing Lord Bamford’s car collection.
I hope that's on Harry Metcalf's to do list.
That's absolutely epic! Maybe Harry should look at getting a Fastrac in the near future....
Harry's Farm is now the only reason why I turn on the television. Captivating, informative, informed and balanced. What began as research for a book is now a wholesome addiction. But who, please, is the camera person?
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
Excellent excellent excellent Harry. Great to see JCB and Lord Bamford leading the way on this. Need to spread the word.
It'd be interesting to know if the new hydrogen engines can be used as drop in replacements for the current diesel engines. Obviously the fuel tanks would need to be fitted too, but that would mean companies wouldn't need to go out and buy a whole new machine to be able to use hydrogen.
Great idea, the kind of mindset we all need but unfortunately most are still all about making money.
I get the impression from the video that the only change needed is the cylinder head, the injection and ignition system and the fuel tank. So keep your fingers crossed conversions may be possible.
@@stevemillard2487 possibly the crank as well to change the stroke length. All fairly straightforward stuff though
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
@@brianevolved2849it's zero emissions. Just water vapor. Weren't you listening?
Id vote for the lord, enjoyed listening to the man grest person and knowledgeable.
Brilliant video, superb insight into what can and should be done
Really really interesting video Harry! It must have been amazing meeting lord Bamford. I just can’t wait to see these engines hopefully being manufactured for the worlds agricultural and HGV industry.
Great access! Very interesting!
why does everybody think hydrogen will just fall out of the air? First Harry says a lot of countries dont have enough energy to charge electric vehicles and his solution is hydrogen which uses 5 times more electricity???
It's shipable.
So you could have massive solar farms on the equator that then ship or pipe the hydrogen around the world.
Or you could have massive wind farms in the north see and then ....
So it's far from impossible.
@@dethrophes7283 the cost issue is very relevant though woht bost of those solutions. It's going around the houses (using electricity) to get to the same result.
Harry, your spot on with Sir Bramford, his cars here in Barbados are top notch among local or foreign homeowners here in Barbados and he has some of the coolest registration plates as well.
The JCB Boss Seems A Really Decent & Approachable Guy 👍
lovely chap wish we could see his cars!
> politicians: that looks shiny
> JCB: look what we built
Fantastic video Harry and full of exciting info.
A very informative episode good work Harry
So this is the inception of Harry’s aviation channel.
Chocks away!
Thank you that was truly a great watch 👌
As a mechanic this makes me smile, JCB are on point, so great to see forward thinking towards long term solutions.
Electric does have a place, but it’s cost and the precious materials needed are serious flaws, which has been overlooked.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
@@brianevolved2849 if you have evidence to back up your claim, there is a conversation.
If you don’t have any evidence then why bother making that claim.
The combustion of hydrogen with oxygen produces water vapor as its only product: 2H2 + O2 → 2H2O where is the CO2?
Read this before replying:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
wiki hydrogen production
@@brianevolved2849 wow that’s a poor argument 🤦♂️
Fossil fuel’s can be replaced by hydro power and solar, not to mention a hydrogen engine can run an electrical generator (no carbon there)
Hydrogen can also be made from biomass etc.
I skipped wind as that’s not actually viable, the blades last only 10yrs and end up in land fill, that is something to be moaning about.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
Fantastic news, I hope the car manufacturers get there heads around it very soon. Cheers Bob
Nice video Harry. I found it really interesting.
What a great subject Harry. This is very interesting and similar questions in the armed forces in reference to tanks etc.
I do think the carbon-free future for agriculture, forestry, and heavy construction is hydrogen, but not combustion. Batteries are not a good fit for heavy equipment for exactly the reason Lord Bamford identified, but combustion has its own serious downsides around maintenance and efficiency. Fuel cells are expensive today, but economies of scale will bring them down quickly as they scale up. They are high tech devices, but not that fundamentally hard to produce. H2 combustion might be a good transition technology (if used with green H2, which the vast majority currently available isn't), but I see fuel cells as the long term solution given the vastly reduced complexity and long lifecycles of electric motors over combustion.
The 40% efficiency of combustion combined with 40% efficiency of producing green hydrogen will just make the cost of fuel far too high to run the equipment. A fuel cell will be able to extract so much more useful work from the same amount of hydrogen
The issue with fuel cells is one of (a) cost - JCB's tracked digger with a fuel cell drove the price up 130% - and (b) reliability, as fuel cells require ionised distilled water and absolutely 100% effective dust filtration, so they really don't like working in fields or quarries...
Plus the cost of compressing hydrogen to 300 bar in vast quantities makes H2 a very expensive proposition.
He identified the problem as the weight of the batteries, on vehicles which usually have large dead counterweights anyway.
You can't expect someone standing in his family's ICE factory to be unbiased.
@@MattOGormanSmith he builds BEVs as well. A 20-ton machine going up to 28 tons is no joke.
Great content, and a very interesting interview. My only wish for the future is dedicated microphones for each party as your current setup pick up a lot of background noise.
I learned so much from this video. Thank you
There's one big problem with hydrogen:the energy equivalent of one liter of diesel costs around 5£ before taxes,it's price has been heavily subsidised for use in unicorn hydrogen/fuel cell vehicles.
One liter of diesel -- 50 pence before taxes.
And you use a lot of electricity for its production (electrolysis) which could instead go directly to households bringing better/higher efficiency.
About hydrogen: in 90's BMW made petrol cars (750i) that run on hydrogen.
Apparently it was quite simple and cheap conversion similar to current CNG conversions.All ICE cars can "easily" run on hydrogen but it's production and price are so far unresolved issues.
It takes a lot of CO2 neutral energy (which we don't have enough of) to produce hydrogen on a large scale and it's very expensive process with poor efficiency. It is enviromentaly much more efficient to use "clean" energy directly in households and factories than to convert it to hydrogen,which is then converted back to energy during the combustion. Besides,only 30% of energy is used for transport/machinery.
So,until we can produce enormous amounts of cheap and zero carbon energy (fusion?) this will unfortunately stay in "immaginationland" inhabited by XR fanatics.
Actually, the current price of green hydrogen available in NZ for a tractor is as low as 1.2 - 2 pounds per litre of diesel equivalent and the current price of diesel is 1.30 - 1.90 pounds so you seem to be out by an order of magnitude in your assumptions on the relative costs. This is with only the first infrastructure being installed, which will only scale and improve - I guess the production and price issue you mention is looking pretty resolvable. It has taken 150 years to get fossil fuels to their economy of scale and it hasn't taken too much effort to get close. Perhaps supporting companies trying to make a difference would be more productive and positive rather than claiming this is all just "imaginationland"
1. Why are we mucking about with the functional fundamentals? Is it because we like a challenge, and the shouty sorts are taking advantage of this?
2. Why are we mucking around with the way we move around so. It is cruise liners and so on that cause most of the pollution. Sort them out first, prove the tech, and when safe maybe start looking at the machinery that actually sustains our lives.
3. Synthetic fertilizers and GM crops have the potential to monopolise food production. This is a serious threat to our standard of living far greater than the relatively small air quality issue we face. We shouldn't become too distracted.
I can see the use of hydrogen in heavy plant, but hydrogen combustion? The efficiency will be appalling. Your hydrogen comes from electrolysis or reforming natural gas. It may be cheaper to buy the plant but what are the running costs vs a fuel cell?
A 100kw fuel cell would cost a fortune and the reaction surface would need regular replacement. The people who gave that comment a thumbs up need to spend 5 minutes on the internet learning about fuel cells.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
Very interesting indeed. Excellent video Harry.
Harry smashing it out of the park. Super cool to see what JCB are doing #future
I'd be very curious to know how they made a hydrogen-burning engine zero emissions. My understanding is that, air being mostly nitrogen, any combustion that uses air will generate NOx emissions regardless of the fuel being burned.
Also the engine will be oil lubricated which will burn off in small amounts too.
Will a catalyst or similar device help or some exhaust treatment like ad blue is for diesels ??
@@dennisphoenix1 According to Wikipedia catalytic converters need carbon in the exhaust to get rid of NO2.
@@garthnareng4898 I haven't done any research on the subject. Just thinking about it
@@dennisphoenix1 I also assumed a cat would work, but decided to look it up and I'm glad I did.
"there's a charge to electric"
I see what you did there Harry!
Wow how informative, very nice video Harry. This was really interesting.
Great video. This has great promise. Thanks Harry. Liked your arrival transport as well. 👍
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
He'd like to influence the powers that be, honestly, he has several tory MPs in his pockets, why not just buy more..... he is pushing against an open door, the reason the powers that be dont want electric is they cant sell it and tax it heavily like they do with petrol and diesel.
OK Communist
This is so interesting! Something i didnt even know existed,definitely the way to go its almost the same as diesel just without the emissions.👍
Really enjoyed this one Harry Thanks
Very good video Harry, what great work by JCB!
Excellent episode Harry and at last some commonsense :)
Couple things about hydrogen fuel, it has a wider range of combustibility over propane or natural gas. Of the three it has the least amount of energy for it same volume of fuel. There’s a reason we use certain fuels. One reason gasoline and diesel fuel are used in the US is because they don’t need to be compressed to be shipped, either by pipeline or truck. Propane can be compressed to a couple hundred psi and turned into a liquid, hydrogen needs around 3000 psi to be turned into a liquid and subsequently needs a much stronger tank to hold the fuel remembering of course it has less energy then propane. Additionally compressing a needed amount of hydrogen to run say a farm tractor I believe it’s quite an accomplishment in a short period of time which can’t be done. It all sounds good and sometimes it satisfies the do gooders but don’t bet on it.
Fascinating talk with Lord Bamford! JCB are a true innovater for the future.
A really interesting video Thanks Harry and JCB
Be good to see freevalve technology on a hydrogen engine and what’s possible in terms of ice efficiency.
Depends on the use case, would be interesting to see how it could further optimize fuel economy in a car for example where you have varying power needs, but in machinery etc you normally want to minimize failures and downtime in a narrow range of high loads, hence the widespread use of push rods even today 🤔
@@petermolnar8667 in the automotive application; I mean. Agreed that reliability is the key in this application and the use of freevalve technology would of course be expensive.
Harry glad you are making content like this and answering the questions we all want answers for . Great to see JCB taking on the challenge and great of lord bamford to take the time to talk with you . Really enjoy this content from Harry's farm . 👍
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
Absolutely beautiful!!! Thank you for helping advance such an incredible technology!
Hydrogen has terrible power density even at 350 bar 23kg/m3 so 220ltr tank for 5kg. Excavator 5kg H2 x 130MJ/kg = 650MJ. Diesel 45MJ/kg x 130 kg (160 lhr tank) = 5900 MJ so you to fill up 9 times for every diesel tank. Each molecule is the lightest of all elements so low energy per unit of volume
Where does the hydrogen come from?
Yeah Harry was wrong to say hydrogen has more energy than diesel per litre. The JCB guy quickly corrected him to say per unit of mass but I'm not sure many people would have picked that up.
Its so energy intensive to make the hydrogen and then to burn in an ice engine is crazy.
It requires about 3 times as much electricity to run an ICE compared to run it directly on electricity, and the transport- and fueling infrastructure- cost for hydrogen is insane. think of the on-site diesel drum with pump used today vs the 1-2 million £ rigg required to refuel a hydrogen tank under high pressure.
Volume isn’t really that big of an issue, for most ground based applications. The weight and cost of batteries is their issue.
Surely this could be quite misleading, because there is no mention of how much the fuel itself will be and from what i understand making and supplying the hydrogen is the problem.
You're correct. This process is hugely inefficient. The cost of hydrogen will never be able to complete with the cost of charging a battery. A technology like this will only be plausible in situations where battery electric is infeasible
@@fraserrose4209 "Will never be able to complete" is a very bold claim. In terms of physics/math, nuclear power using h2 as energy storage is probably the most clean alternative we have available right now. The problem now is that the EV lobby has become too big and they will not let this narrative fly.
@@cosmonauteable9151 you could be right, but storing hydrogen is exactly the problem, no? Energy density per volume is very poor for hydrogen.
fantastic interview and video Harry
Thank you for a very informative and thought provoking video.
Be interesting to see where hydrogen fits into transport and construction, Volvo seem to be going electric. I was skeptical about hydrogen but they make alot of interesting points
It's just so bloody dangerous, it's so common to get a bit of diesel stink from a 5 yo machine, when that happens on a hydrogen machine... Kablamo!
@@stumpyplank6092 hydrogen is more dangerous than batteries
@@stumpyplank6092 storage under much higher pressure than other common fuel gasses, the range of concentrations at which it will combust in air is far wider than any other fuel and it's atoms are so small that they pass through steel.
@@stumpyplank6092 I have no problem with hydrogen. Was just pointing out your were wrong to say batteries are "infinitely more dangerous".
@@stumpyplank6092 methane is a bio fuel, produced mainly from waste which would emit it into the atmosphere regardless of our input, the bio-gas industry is already well established and feeding into the gas grid/straight to power stations, the reason it makes so much sense to focus on bio gas is because we've already got the infrastructure in place for bottled/forecourt cng/lpg and any shortfall in production from waste (which has hardly been tapped yet) could be taken up by natural gas or in the future, gas made by co2 sequestration which admittedly requires hydrogen but unlike pure hydrogen the resulting gas can be stored as a liquid without cooling at comparably low pressures while being far more dense.
Regards your reply to the other chap about musk, he's sold a bit of snake oil but it seems to me the technology tesla truly excel at is battery management, I'm aware there have been some bad fires, and lithium batteries can explode if shorted but these are easily negated and comparable to a current petrol vehicle in terms of destruction.
I wouldn't want to be within half a mile of a hydrogen hgv that'd caught fire and if you've got a site with storage and multiple hydrogen machines operating it'd look like Nagasaki when the dust cleared.
Without fuelcells, there is no point in hydrogen, you might as well use synthetically produced hydrocarbons.
@Simon Colby But hard to store and use compared to carbons. Gas as opposed to liquid powered vehicles are banned from parking garages for example. Low volumetric energy density also a big problem.
Or just keep burning diesel, which is the entire point for their advocates.
@Simon Colby
Easy and efficient are not the same thing. I can just as easy say you can recharge a battery anywhere that has access to electricity. The key difference is that the battery is > 90% efficient.
@@lordsamich755 So long as we made the diesel by capturing CO2 then fine, the only problem then is NOx.
@Simon Colby
"and far heavier as well as having a rather short life expectancy."
_Weight really seems like an overstated issue on a tracked vehicle._
_Life expectancy is also subjective. Especially compared to an internal combustion engine._
"Not to mention the environmental impact sourcing the resources to manufacture the batteries and then disposing of what cannot be recycled"
_People who glom on to this talking point seldom know what they are talking about._
_They certainly don't do the numbers involved to understand which materials are in short supply vs those which simply are not._
I could listen to Harry explain anything, he makes it so interesting.
Great interview and facts about the future, brilliant harry
People are frightened of hydrogen by the images of the Hindenburg, up until the advent of natural gas most home had hydrogen on tap in the form of coal gas. I would sooner be in a room full of hydrogen - than a room full of petrol vapour. We need to embrace hydrogen as a fuel of the future.
Hindenburg imagery might be part of it. But there are many practical issues with hydrogen as well that makes it less suited than batteries, at least for cars. There are efficiency losses from creating electricity, using that electricity to split water, and then using the resulting hydrogen in fuel cells to again create electricity. And this process, with its inefficiencies, is still more efficient than combusting hydrogen as a mechanical force with the resulting in thermal losses. Then there are the storage and transport complexities related to hydrogen versus pumping electricity through wires and into batteries.
You’d still suffocate
What’s needed is for formal 1 to use hydrogen. They are looking at changing their engines in 3 years.
when one wins le mans next year ...... after all hybreds won there 4/5 years before F1 thought of it. look at disc brakes
Ha! That is exactly what is NOT needed, please to back to your PC hole and figure out who to complain to about your victimization.
@@johnsmith1474 what are you talking about?
Strange how people love all that tax dodging.
@@malcolm8564 hydrogen use dodges tax?
Excellent channel. Keep up the good work. 🌳
Very Interesting, Thanks for JCB for letting Harry shows us the new technology
As an employee of JCB it makes me very proud to see the path we are taking to zero emissions engines as an alternative to electric powered equipment. It just makes sense.
oil companies attempting to sell oils and gas dressed up as hydrogen it is a scam Depending on the quality of the feedstock (natural gas, rich gases, naphtha, etc.), one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2
However, hydrogen combustion with air produces oxides of nitrogen, known as NOx. In this way, the combustion process is much like other high temperature combustion fuels, such as kerosene, gasoline, diesel or natural gas. As such hydrogen combustion engines are not considered zero emission.
There have been H2 engines in past (BMW V12?) and I still don’t understand why to use H2 as fuel. Only reason I can think of is government money for development grants. There is no real technical advantage over natural gas:
1) H2 is manufactured from natural gas
2) Natural gas ICE is nothing new and is already well-developed technology
3) NG infrastructure is already developed and is quite safe.
4) There is enough NG for decades
5) You can always manufacture NG from H2 when it runs out.
If you make hydrogen from natural gas it’s massively, massively polluting.
Another brilliant video Harry 👍 and well done JCB 👍
Brilliant!
I always wondered why we didn’t make this transition before now, because during WW2 ordinary gasoline cars were transformed to use wood that were transformed to gas, same principle, now hydrogen under high pressure.
A very thought provoking and interesting video, the ICE certainly has a lot of bad press based on incomplete information and assumptions. A friend and I did a shady conversion to a Vauxhall Viva to run it on butane/propane in the late 1970s, literally an evening spent converting an SU carburetor so it would meter low pressure gas. Far from an engineering marvel but it looks like the industry and governments have little interest in doing similar. There is a lot of merit in adapting existing technology, though of course carrying hydrogen at hundreds of bar pressure in a fast moving passenger car presents different challenges too. Well done with your content Harry, always educational.
We don’t have to have it compressed if it’s made onboard hydrogen gas can be mixed with diesel to make it more combustible making current engines much more efficient there is a company developing small ish on board hydrogen units for lorries in the states at the moment
LPG and hydrogen are very different beasts.
@@MattOGormanSmith, yes they are, but I am sure a 1972 Vauxhall Viva van would run on hydrogen too.
@@matspencer3860 making hydrogen requires energy, which needs to be carried on board as well. Is it then not more efficient to use that energy directly for propulsion? Please provide a link for that company in the US making H2 units.
@@matspencer3860 Making hydrogen from what?
Zero CO2 - need to make sure all NOx is eliminated to claim "zero emissions"
Shows that the "incumbents aren't really all sitting on their hands.. little steps, not to strand resources.
Cheap energy storage will win for bulk applications - when electricity is "too cheap to meter" (lol) - efficiency (EV vs ICE) is less of a concern.
Explain how nox comes from mixing hydrogen and oxygen
@@alpye In a spark ignition air breathing engine, Hydrogen is combusted in Air not just O2. Oxygen and Nitrogen get quite close at high temps resulting in Oxides of Nitrogen .. Which need to be reduced to avoid smog (meet EPA targets on emissions).
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@@kadmow I did not know that thanks 👍
Fantastic!! Thank you Harry and thank you JCB. All is not lost if we can fit a hydrogen powered engine in a 1988 Land Rover Defender.
Thanks for the episode of Harrys future tech ...er i mean farm , quite an exclusive snap shot of what the future may hold
Brilliant that’s what we need
New Holland have also been trialling this technology for many years now as well along with the methane powered tractor.