New Land Rover Defender 90 Hardtop 12 month review. Is it a true farmer's car?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The new Defender 90 Hardtop arrived with me a year ago on long-term loan from Land Rover and I was keen to find out how I'd get on using it as my daily car on the farm. With over 10,000 miles now covered, in this video I reveal both the good and the bad bits to running a new Defender as your daily transport on the farm.
This is without any doubt the most informative kind of review you can make. A full year of real use brings every issue to the front. Thanks Harry.
Yeah the New Defender is brilliant so much better than a real one..
This isnt what most real farmers can afford.Elitiste bollocks.
They certainly seem to be able to afford them round here.
I'm astonished at it's 2nd hand value. It is , no doubt, a good vehicle but nearly £10k more than it was new with 10k miles. It would be a great farm vehicle at around £35k.You'd need to be deranged to pay over £60k for that!"
Amazing isn’t it; I have a 110 plug-in hybrid which came in at under £70k when it was delivered at Christmas, and dealer offered me £85k for it at 10,000 miles… If Land Rover could just build more of them they’ll be able to start offering cheaper ones again hopefully
That is utterly insane. The world's gone mad. That said, I'd take that offer, but something else to drive for 18 months and then buy a new Defender and pocket £15k 😁
@@Stu_2112 yeah tempting but the problem is anything I bought for the short-term would probably lose a lot of value as prices come back to Earth, and now the new price for the same car (which I’m very happy with) has gone up by £8-10k anyway, so would have to pay a lot more to get back to where I am now
I'm not, not at all. It's a chip off the old block. Just goes up in value. Modern Defender with heritage from 1948. Unstoppable. They can't build them fast enough. It's these or a G Wagon, do you want to look cool pulling a horse box across a field at Chatsworth or look like a gangster in a G Wagon?
You aren't getting "more". Your money is buying less or another way of looking at it is, your money has depreciated in buying power.
Beautiful land rover. But as a real farmer in Thailand I would recommend an Isuzu or Toyota pickup. They do a good job here in our rice fields.
Nope, Ford or Land Rover.
I had an Octavia back in 2002 that had "chattering" door rubbers. SIlcone spray silenced them.
Its alright but just too expensive for a “farm” vehicle given the short comings and the alternative pick ups are much more appealing in price
Had a good look at the current [new] Ford Ranger yesterday at a main dealer. A far more practical farm vehicle than the 90, but it is also far bigger than even the 110 commercial. Over 200hp with a 10 speed automatic, comfortable for five passengers plus a large cargo area and tows 3.5 tons while costing about £10k less, depending on model. The size frightens some people off and used as a van, with load-bed hard top, access to goods is awkward, but a good gaff [like a shepherds crook] helps a lot to fetch things that are forwards without having to climb over the tailgate and into the bed.
@@hedydd2 we have 4 trucks we use for towing ships mooring ropes and wires which take the trucks past the recommended weights!
2 old TD5 defender and a 2013 tdci defender… they have done our company proud with very little going wrong and one having a very hard life on a scrap berth!
2 years ago we took on Ford ranger, mainly for a bit more comfort. In that short time it’s had 2 new shocks on the front which started leaking just after warranty, a problem with the add blue pump and most recent was the DPF… our oldest landy is a 1999 ex army Falklands vehicle which had a hard life before we took it on and now gets treated hard with us!
The Ford Ranger has had more money spent on it over the last 2 years that both the older land rovers have in nearly 2 decades of us owning them… the ranger isn’t a bad truck and is comfortable and hasn’t let us down but it has cost us a few pounds!
it’s a difficult choice now for many customers who have stuck my Land Rover because they don’t make anything which would work for us so we will probably just keep the old Land Rover running and maybe get another Ranger one day!
My local garage has a second hand one on the forecourt for.... £109k. Now, obviously that's not farmer's spec, but Jesus - I had a literal double-take at it. Some people are insane.
@@andybrown205 i think for 109k id have a nice spec range rover with proper comfort and refinement, farm vehicle aside.
I agree
Fascinating review. I had the same door chattering on a 2010 BMW 330D Touring that I bought at 20,000 miles. The dealer changed the door seals to no avail. Back and forth for a year. Actually ruined the buying experience for me. As a last ditch attempt to fix it I went to another main dealer who drove it 10 feet and said: "door tape mod". A strip of posh sellotape between the door metal and the rubber seal. Shut it up completely and is still quiet 145,000 miles later. Weird.
I reckon that’s probably the best all round review I’ve seen. I’ve always had 110s (hardtop, tipper and now hicap) so I’d expect I’d be the market the new defender would be aimed at but they seemed to have missed the problems on the old trucks but thrown technology in 🤷♂ don’t get me wrong, the comfort and technology you can’t knock. Then the price 🤦♂ and the ridiculous price for some of the extras.I’m sad to say, I think my TD5 will be my last Land Rover I own.
The narrow rear door has been an issue for decades and yet it's still too narrow to fit things in!
@@tomcardale5596 your right, plus the lights were never great as standard, never really got decent mpg (mine does about 18mpg with 3.5t on)but granted the new one does better on motorways etc etc🤷♂
@@casto- I've upgraded the wiring on mine (2011)and fitted the clear headlamps and with those done I think the light output is pretty good. Of all the cars I've driven recently they're my favourites. But it's a bit silly you had to do the work to fix the bad build!
Mine isn't too bad on motorways, I get about 33mpg at 65mph with a moderate load and no trailer. I do a fair amount of motorway, 700 miles a week is pretty common. It's a bajillion times more comfortable than truck cabs I've driven!
I've always run land rovers but just bought a D Max and I'm never going back. The rattly door at that price just isn't good enough.
@@ianworley8169 I thought he had been given it to demo? He’s an experienced automotive hack and JLR connections - so cheap advertising considering his standing. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wouldn’t have got discount to keep it, but he’s used the market value to the public to be realistic.
To sum up for a farmer that vehicle is neither use nor ornament. We ran Defender Utilities for years did what it said on the tin....now run Disco 4 commercials which will do anything you ask of it at a fraction of the cost of one of those. If Harry Metcalf the farmer cannot afford a Defender, then no farmer can.
i must admit ..harry can explain anything in a real world review ..even down to how a combine works love the way he explains things so simply
Is that 'Telegram me' genuine? I have one, too.
Great round up Harry. Agree completely, I don’t thinks it’s a farmers vehicle anymore simple as that .
I don't know why you would buy it otherwise though. It doesn't seem to be a status symbol in the way a Range Rover is.
Agreed and I would add that I think they made a mistake in calling it a Defender because it is not, it's something different and should have been renamed.
Look at it as the true successor to the disco 4
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It's also the ugliest SUV ever invented
Land Rover sold their soul for the lifestyle market, with success to be fair, but if you want a decent farm wagon, there’s far more pragmatic choices from the pickups available.
Is that a Skoda Yeti rebadged as a Land Rover?
I want to see how it is going about 3 years out of warranty, especially given JLR's appalling reliability/durability.
No its not. Most farmers will go for a toyota hilux or something similar. They want a vehicle that works and is reliable. An electronic parking brake and air suspension has no place in a practical work environment. They are upper middle class family cars.
Every HGV has air suspension, seems to work just fine for them in a practical work environment, most new HGVs also now have electronic hand brakes, work just fine.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Not to mention, superior for towing
@@Jabber-ig3iw air suspension is a lot less reliable and a lot more expensive to fix than coils. After owning discoverys 1-4s I can say this with absolute confidence. And electronic parking brakes are fine, until they arnt, and then they are an unnecessary pain in the arse and £1500 to fix. They have failed multiple times on our D3 & 4 and are a weel known issue with land rovers. Every 5 years you are ripping apart the centre console to yank the release cable. When it comes to work vehicles, simple is better. Land Rover dont make work vehicles anymore. They make family people carriers designed to be on the road. In 2016 land rover killed the defender and the discovery. If they had put a discovery badge on the new pretender then it would make a lot more sense.
Yep
The same thing is happening over here in the US on our everyday pickup trucks, when you try to use them as trucks. Fancy interiors, over stressed engines, smaller bed lengths. You have to order a "work" truck to try and get something basic. Really enjoy your channels.
Pickup market is the same in the UK, it's all double cabs. Trying to find a regular single cab pickup for work is amazingly difficult.
@@fubar12345 Just buy the Commercial model. Usually come in any colour you like as long as it's white.
its all a tax thing, theyre being bought as even their luxury offerings in trucks is cheaper than luxury suvs for people who have a business etc.. thats why prices and comfort are going up so much. The buyers who give them the most profit are the ones that the trucks are designed for
Half ton pickups are not really worth buying as a work vehicle. Once you get up to a 3/4 ton or higher the over stressed engines and short bed lengths go away.
A really really great review Harry! Thanks for explaining in depth all the positive and negative points. I cant believe how it's gone up in price so much - Wow!
It’s price has increased so a drug dealer or his bint can buy it and modify it: simple
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I had no idea that the base Defender came standard with coil suspension. Its a huge bonus for me and I would go with this configuration without any doubt.
This why Harry gets one of these long-term because the feedback is honest and detailed. Some reviewers have to almost grovel in case a manufacturer ceases lending them cars for creating video. Land Rover needs Harry more than he needs them. His reviews create sales.
Helps that he is or was at least, on the pay role helping to develop LR products. Not sure if he still is or not. Regardless he tells it as it is. Other reviewers give their opinion after half a day or so with a vehicle where as Harry has usual bought one or other model with his own cash at some point, thanks to being a successful business man.
Excellent point.
Harry,
Was that a Lotus Espada in that transporter?
Cheers
No working man in their right mind would buy one of these, I run a farm and a marine business so tow a lot and move a lot of random stuff, I bought a used tdv8 rrs instead, the money I save will pay for maintenance, tax, insurance and fuel for years!
Yep.. it's a hairdresser's 4x4.. I've owned too many Discos and Rangerovers to have ANY confidence that those gadgets will still work in 4 years time!.
I'll stick to the Shogun for the farm.4x4 and Toyota Trucks for the hard stuff
Compared to a Hilux, or a LandCruiser... For that money you're comparing it to a LandCruiser... I think it'd struggle as an Australian farmer's car.
It's not in the same league. Overpriced vanity vehicle will do more school runs than any off roading. Couple of years and they will start their disintegrating process. People never learn!
Yet another very expensive 4 by 4 designed for suburban driving sold for commercials use. Full of useless 'cool add ons' whilst failing on resilient basics. My 2005 Ford Ranger fully manursel serves me well enough on the farm. A second hand vehicle releases no additional capital carbon of course something manufacturers choose to suppress. Who uses a rear view mirror on a 4 by 4, thats what the wing mirrors are for like a van ?
Not built for farmers harry , built for numptys that like the looks , most of these will never see mud , can’t see many of these ending up on farm in wales where they mostly buy isuzus , toyotas etc , land rover have completely gone for a different “ lifestyle “ market
And in 3 years time when the latest shiny thing appears, these will be a good secondhand buy! All the ones i have seen on my travels seem to be very well polished.
Harry is the only individual walking on our planet who has ever thought even for a nanosecond that a modern Land Rover could be a farm vehicle LOL
I agree with you. I may be wrong but the number of farmers in the developed world is reducing thus car makers are drifting away from servicing that market, a market which is in decline. The new Land Rover Defender is not designed for farmers and other rural work, it is designed for the urban dweller. I.e Suburban mothers who have to drive their toddler to school or the accountant who wants something fancy to drive to work. Farmers are reducing and you do not build something for a market in decline.
He doesn't really think that. He's just tarting about. Like a tart.
Brilliant 😂
Rich family, rich tastes
Refinement dahling
What will LR think of you returning their brand new loner to them in that condition? Heck when I have one for a day they go over it like it's their first born. Will they invoice you for repairs ?
Designed by men experienced in the tough manly practicalities of hinging open their laptop.
Incredibly uneducated opinion, I worked with JLR for 5 years and they put loads of effort into the off-road side of things - it just has to be a car that serves multiple purposes otherwise they would've never even justified the business case to make it.
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Show me the better off-road vehicle you designed, and then l will consider your criticism of the Defender
It’s ok that you can’t afford it…just move on
The Ineos Grenadier four door four seat ‘van’ costs £49k + VAT including a vast range of options, so is far better value for money. As a two seater van it is very significantly cheaper and has the same power and similar torque from a detuned BMW straight six diesel. It may not achieve the Land Rover’s fuel economy but should surely hold its value as well and be more suitable for a work-oriented life.
...yes, but where are they? I thought that the first deliveries were happening in July of this year. I had a search on RUclips for any user reviews last week and all I got back, even after playing around with the RUclips filters, was Ineos' own PVs. They may be good on the spec sheet and what we have seen thus far in the promotional videos seems to back that up, but unless they are in the hands of customers, they may as well be a fantasy. Lle ddiawl mae nhw?/Where the hell are they?
@@andrewjones-productions my thoughts exactly, if it wasn’t for people who are obviously being paid to put comments on Land Rover videos about how wonderful the grenadier is I think most people would have forgotten all about it. Not only does it look like a Chinese knock off from Wish but delivery times seem to be very Wish like as well. Just build the bloody thing already.
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Good point. They are very late starting retail production. My order was scheduled for June next year on their web site but their dealer contacted me last week, for the first time, saying that it was due to be built mid November. I’ll believe it when I see it. In the meantime they can’t even arrange for me to see one in the metal. Was due to attend event Tuesday but the idiots have cancelled it due to someone’s death. Its quite possible that I won’t like the vehicle or the dealer as of yet. I remain hopeful and have no choice other than to be patient or buy a Ford Ranger.
Very much an unknown quantity & they're still trying to find dealerships for them. It could easily bomb yet.
My 90 commercial 250D 46k plus VAT Overlanding in the Pyrenees and Morocco
That rubber chatter coming from the door sounds like a school bus 🚌 yikes! That’s a deal breaker.
Good as the new Defender undoubtedly is off road I get the impression that a major part of the design brief was good on road manners and comfort rather than a commercial, working vehicle practicality, hence the shortcomings in the base version. As Harry said, VERY expensive for a farm runabout especially when compared to competitor offerings but with waiting lists as long as they are I guess JLR aren't really bothered!
Not so expensive after you've reclaimed the tax and VAT as a Commercial Vehicle
Also you don't pay the high initial road tax, and BIK is only £700 per year.
I think the Defender is a great vehicle, but I think the 12 month wait is more to do Land Rover's inability to build anything. I've had a D5 on order since April '21 and I'm pretty sure that's got nothing to do with demand. The 'stunts' LR are playing (and their dealers) frankly beggar belief, they really, really do not care, and is backed up by their 'offer' to sell you the car not at the list price it was ordered at, but at the stupid inflated 2nd hand price that's largely their own fault. When did they turn into a company that would take every opportunity for short term gain? For all the positive press they'll get from you their decision is frankly crazy IMO.
I understand that there is a worldwide shortage of parts to build any new car. New cars have a lot of new technology and it is that which is in short supply.
"When did they turn into a company that would take every opportunity for short term gain?" Having run Jags and Discos I've always suspected that their mindset has been "If we make this badly enough and it breaks then the customer will *have* to come back to us and buy a new one. Instead of thinking they'll sell up and go elsewhere.
@@smorris12 As someone who used to have sell these things, you couldn’t have summed it up better. The arrogance of JLR is quite frankly mind-bending.
Silicone chip shortages are very real at the moment. They’ve got the car but not the chip to put in them, like Tesla. You unfortunately ordered just at the wrong time, although the shortages are supposed to be improving now. If you’ve tried to buy a GPU during Covid you’ll know this silicone shortage has affected any product with chips in.
I'll never have the money to buy one of these but if I did I would buy a hilux or land cruiser.
Big issue with headlights, most dealers and garages will set the lights at -2 instead of thinking and looking at the light height and choosing for -0.5 or -1 depending on height. -2 is even too much for most commercial vans.
With that setting you will get something like 30-50m light in front of a car with a huge bonnet height, resulting in you not being able to see the road at all. It is a mechanic error that all mechanics seem to make (and it pisses me off as the math is kindergarden simple)
A proper Defender owner. I like that he doesn't wash the car, and uses it on a farm. It's what you're supposed to do with a Defender! The Defender is both utilitarian and posh, much like a Barbour jacket or Le Chameau boots
Love the review, very straight up. Here in mainland Europe these cars easily hit 100k upwards and they don’t look much different to the one you tested. But 60k for rattling doors as standard option seems like a big miss to me, would drive me crazy in the long run. On the other hand an X3 would not have climbed that hill of yours - so you got the real thing and it looks good too.
No rattling doors on mine
All you have to do is put silicone gel on the rubber seals to stop the chatter!
There's no way something with that short of a wheel base should be hauling that long car trailer. We have a saying in the U.S. about "stupid farmers". That's how they get that name. Just because this thing has a tractor engine doesn't mean it should be hauling.
When I saw the new defender first released, I instantly had a feeling it wasn't really aimed at the practical market but as a town run about vehicle.
It seems more designed for those that want to be seen as country folk and want to go off road but in town/city comfort!
It feels a step back to me, the older models seem like they can take a beating but not cost an arm and leg if it needs repairing.
I have to wonder though, for the practical sense of space, why don't you use a pickup? I have a double cab that has plenty of room for all my tools and equipment (I do gardening and land management, so chainsaws, brush cutters, mower, strimmers, spades, forks, toolboxes etc) and get my kids around. Obviously the single cab would give you so much more space. Just curious to your thinking in that regard.
Keep up the good content. I've lived in a farming community nearly all my life but the farmers I know don't go into the details you do. It's always nice to learn more.
My shogun cost £75 spent around £1500 in the last 6 years in spares inc 4 tyres. . Hurdles and a rake will fit in the back no problem. Would I spend £44000 when £75 will do don't think so
Harry, I’ve occasionally thought about replacing my 2010 L322 with a new Defender. I still may at some point. But, I love the ride and the comfort of my old Rangie. It has most of the things I want as a daily driver, and all of the off-road capability I will ever need on my land. Thank you for remembering the update on this great car. Would you ever consider doing a comparison on the new Defender vs your L322?
Reliability issues?
FOR SALE: Broken Defender, worn, battered, filthy, crap headlights, poor checkerplate, scuffed and marked interior, dusty, tiny boot - 60k.😆
I believe that the third seat comes in a pack with the rear roof camera. If it is not available today in a pack, it could be linked with the limited visibility on near cars and objects as mentioned in the video. EDIT… Just checked and I’m right. £1250 extra as a pack. The standard rear view mirror just doesn’t work with the middle seat backrest upright. It blocks the view almost completely, hence the necessity of the camera as a pack item.
You’re not completely correct. The third seat isn’t available on the base Defender hardtop anymore according to the Land Rover configurator, as you can’t specify the digital rearview mirror with the base spec
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Yes, the on line configuration only lets you have the pack on SE and HSE versions. I wonder whether the dealer could specify it on base models? They sometimes have more flexible options than us mortals.
Maybe true, but the positioning of the camera on this model makes it useless.
Harry??? you just commented on the usability, the ride comfort, the off road capability and the connectivity and how wonderful it is for long journeys to the point where it became the vehicle of preference but you don't want to pay for any of it. I believe that to be a slap in the face for the twenty two thousand people and seventy years of off road experience that went into the development of this amazing machine. its no wonder the world is producing shit, at the end of the day you get what you pay for.
I love how he has NOT taken any care with it. Someone will get a discounted landi 😂😂.
Not a chance, it's just a bit of dirt. That will go through a prep agency & be pristine on a forecourt in a few days.
Or Harry will get a discount when LR sees what he's going to return😆
This looks strikingly similar to the 7 seat Discovery and only slightly cheaper. If it is meant to compete with the Japanese and German Pickups then they better think again. The old version without the mod cons used to last ages, I doubt this would go beyond 10 years of rough use without falling apart.
Great review. Be interested to see a similar review of an F Pace on the garage channel. I have a P 400 and had a D300 before that. The 3 litre diesel was a peach even in its more highly tuned 300bhp form. Swapped for the 400 petrol because I do a lot of short journeys. I find a lot of the positives you say apply to the Jag too. That mild hybrid system is brilliant especially the stop/start - something I normally turn off. Mine has had some psychological problems following self generated computer updates, but the dealer has been very responsive. A really good car - why don’t more people buy them instead of German cars????
Truth is that without the Range Rovers and other expensive Land Rovers like this one, Land Rover as a brand would have died a very long time ago. To pretend this current vehicle is intended to be a working vehicle in the same way the Series vehicles were for construction, military and agriculture is frankly laughable. Its obviously a capable car but the extremely high price tag and the well know Land Rover reliability issues would be a worry for anyone who isnt super wealthy. If i was a millionaire and bought myself a farm as a big garden then I would buy one for sure because no other car lets people know youve made it in life more than a modern Land Rover....I have yet to see one that isnt loaded with extra boxes etc as a lifestyle vehicle and immaculately clean because its going to spend most of its life on a driveway.
There were a few things here that I wanted to clarify just incase people were interested.
The coil suspension is at the normal ride height of around 8inch that the air suspension rides at. When air is lifted to offroad height its 11 inch.
On the mirror- This is true to a certain extent but have you lowered the picture using the settings? You can drop the view down a bit and it was a big help for vision.
When you spoke about the bash plate - It looks like you have the special protection system (which I love) but this raises the front bumper by a tiny bit on each side, adds the two tone brush guard, and the skid plate. So more for your money than just paying for the skid plate.
Rear door - If you open the rear door to a certain point it will stay open (even on incline) however, it def will close once you start driving as you said.
I have both a coil sprung 110 and a air suspension 110. It's pretty clear when the air suspension is in normal height the coil sprung model sits a bit higher. It's also true the off road height with the air suspension is still higher than than coil sprung model . The coil sprung model is somewhere in between normal and off road height. At least that's true for mine. Maybe it's different in other places.
@@kylehendrix3531 ya I just went to look it up because I remember it being close. The air 110 sits at 8.5 normally and the coil 110 is at 8.6 so barely different. The coil 90 sits at 8.9 though which it's interesting it's that different. Either way it's tenths different and not at the "off-road" height of the air which is 11.6
@@kylehendrix3531 How do they compare in road driving, as in, is the air suspension worth the extra for a vehicle like mine that gets mostly road use?
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I have a 110 and grew up on a farm. It’s no way a farm vehicle it’s a replacement for the old discovery. Great for occasional farm use though and pulling a trailer / family trips etc. not a day to day farm vehicle though / that’s a hilux or
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Plenty of farmers have used LR90 hard tops over the years and are apparently happy even though they have always had a very very limited carrying capacity. I’ve always preferred the long wheelbase myself, particularly the HiCapacity pickup where a 600kg tote bag or a 1000 litre IBC or a big round bale would easily sit. The carrying capacity is surely important to most commercial users and that’s where a 110 to 140” wheelbase pickup truck scores, even with a four door cab.
@@hedydd2 agree / that’s what we used prior to moving to a Hilux - high cap 110 defender pickup. That was a hardy farm defender!
@@jpg6482 Back in the early 80's Subaru pick ups were all the rage in Devon !
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I ran a hi-cap pickup naturally aspirated 2.5 110 for all of 22 years of really hard driving. You couldn’t but drive it hard with only 67hp to pull itself and, often, 3.5 tons towed behind. It basically wore out in the end and a broken piston sealed its fate. Every part of it was getting to end of life, apart from the chassis and bodywork which were good.
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I had one of those for a while. Nearly killed my father when an exhaust gasket failed and gave him carbon monoxide poisoning. It liked a drink and its brakes were completely unbalanced when new. The dealer wasn’t interested until I rang them up in a temper one day after the back brakes locked and nearly had me in a hedge. I threatened to report them to VOSA or DOT and to Subaru head office that minute if they didn’t get it sorted. They were out collecting it within an hour. They had all the parts in stock and had been paid to do a recall but they just pocketed the money and sat on it. They were more afraid of International Motors and Subaru finding out their dishonesty than of official government authorities. The idiots would have lost the franchise for sure.
Modern day defenders are an insult to the classic defenders. Too freaking expensive and luxurious that only Dubai loving Europeans want to drive.
A great review, pointed out all the good and bad bits about using it and its comfort.
For half the price and equally as good, buy a Suzuki Jimmny aka the Baby G..!!
Great stuff Harry, that was a success then! I wonder if you’d be equally impressed with the Ineos Grenadier ?
Oh Harry wouldnt go near one of them as its NOT British
He'd then go from a great engine to an engine designed for a car, that will frankly not stand the test of time in a workhorse 4x4. If you think the new Defender is overpriced the Grander is definitely £10-15k over priced.
@@MOSSFEEN AFAIK.... It's made in Slovakia..!
Paid advert.
@@hughmarcus1 lot of misconceptions in your comment. The B58 was designed for all of their cars and SUV. It has ability to he tuned to run up to 1000hp with minimal changes. The point the engine has been around 5 years and it has been designed to be a workhorse no matter the style of use
Buy one of these and you'll get to know the dealerships mechanic by first name.....
Thanks for the video Harry. My issue is the same as yours, PRICE! Where I live the Defender commercial 110, with air suspension and a few options is near the price I payed in May for my wife’s BMW Sport X5, 45e, with a decent spec. Crazy! I’m sticking to my current combo: VW Amarok 3l and my JEEP Wrangler JK, SWB, 2.8TD.
Ineos Grenadier -Any day
thought the height would be a bonus for a farmer, never met one yet who isn't looking over a hedgerow to see what their neighbour's up to and usually without stopping, eh, Richard !
fuel consumption sounds impressive. Off road climbing ability on those tyres quite amazing.
But..... not a word about the 45' side valve seen at the end, now that would be a vid I'd love to see.
Hey dog paw - go to Harry's other channel (Harry's Garage) ... there's a good review on it if you go back a few years 😀
Just a bad thought out commercial vehicle.
It's probably the most reliable LR due to no air suspension but that's not saying a lot when it comes to this manufacturer.
My guess is that the poor headlights are powered by lucas.
They invented the dark after all....
Thanks for your review. It looks like an overpriced creation worthy of Frankenstein, thrown together out of spare parts. The headlights and arm rests in the back did it for me.
They just glossed over all the 'mistakes' with cladding. I guess this is why pickups are so popular as general workhorses.
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Reminiscent of the original 110... Which was also built from spare parts from Range Rovers and Stage 1's
44k for a farm car 🤣😅
Though I guess it's not bad if you get it for free 😆
The problem with modern LED headlights on SUV's is that they are blinding as you approach from the other way.
It has to be said the new Defender has definitely been hit by the Ugly Stick (Several times!)
Wow that’s an extraordinary price for a farm runaround and there’s a lot of them on the road with huge specs from the factory 👍🏻🏴
There's an awful lot of people around with money, despite what you hear. Personally, I would never have one even if they were a sensible price, but each to their own.
@@jimskirtt5717 they look good but I suspect they will need upgrades or remodelled to keep the sales coming 👍🏻🏴
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Will it be enough to save JLR? They are just about to record their fifth year of heavy losses - some £6 billion in total. Obviously they can't just carry on recording massive losses.
They're bought on the never never.
@@anonanon7497
Yes, a lot of cars are leased, but the Defender lease cost is pretty silly. My house has a speed bump right outside. We figured some years ago which the lease cars are when they fly over it! They bottom out with a horrible scraping noise.
Next up? Green Hydrogen IC engine conversion kits...?
As someone who hated the new Defender when I first saw it, I absolutely love it now. I think I might actually pick one over a Range Rover.
Land Rover nickel and dimes with all the options. I hate it.
Great review Harry, very informative and a great example of how a vehicle should be reviewed, cheers
Whatever happened to the Talbot Matra Rancho? rebadged as a land rover defender....
This is a proper car review: well done Harry.
Toyota Hilux is the answer. Not this overpriced rubbish.
Chuffed to bits with my D250 XS and silicone spray sorts those pesky door rubbers out with a quick wipe down every 3 months or so 👍👍
kinda sounds like the clarkson ferrari where they wanted him to put KY Gel around the targa to keep it from rattling, as I guess things havent changed that much lol
God it's ugly. It looks like something designed in Russia in the 90's!
Great honest review, Harry. I've had mine for nearly 2 years now and I've no complaints. I wonder if you'd have been better off with the 110 in "civilian spec" - best of both worlds being able to drop the rear seats?
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For this kind of money, I would rather get a Ford F-150
I came to same conclusion. Fantastic vehicle but way too expensive for a farm runabout and not as practical as a truck.
That 12 month waiting list might do good things for the INEOS Grenadier.
Those prices include VAT of course and almost all farmers will be able to reclaim the 20% VAT on commercial vehicles such as this.
Like Harry explicitly mentioned.
@@baronvonhoughton Yes, much later on in the video. Not when he was explaining the list price and its increase.
I have an F-Pace with the 4 cylinder diesel Ingenium - the start stop combined with 20k mile oil changes destroyed the turbo at 52k miles. The entire system from the manifold to the tailpipe was replaced under warranty. If you own a diesel, do yourself a favor and change the oil every 5k and disable the start/stop - there is a module in the rear you can unplug that monitors battery voltage....
Better still… don’t buy a diesel!
The start/stop feature isn't something that comes on diesels in the US. The EPA makes it difficult for manufacturers to offer the small diesels (regulations are different for anything under 8,501 lb GVWR) so most vehicles with a diesel are for work/towing. Oil change intervals in my 6.7L Cummins were 5,000 miles for conventional oil during break in (first 100,000 miles) and then you could switch to synthetic and increase the interval to 10,000 miles.
@@PhilbyFavourites If you are towing long distances or heavier trailers a diesel makes a lot of sense. My smallest trailer is rated at 14,000 lbs (30' enclosed conventional hitch car hauler) and I could pull it with a gasoline powered truck, but it wouldn't be ideal and fuel mileage would be terrible. My larger trailer is a 48' flatbed gooseneck rated at 26,000 lbs. The diesel is much better for that.
Ford used to offer a '2-way' tailgate for their station wagons that would open sideways like a door or down like a pickup truck, which would be perfect for this application. 👍
Luxury car on farm?
The world has gone to hell!
Be great to see you do this sort of review in the new Ford Ranger and in the Ineos Grenadier. Great content Harry.
I think Harry has a relationship with Jaguar LandRover so not sure he can
@@DavidBrown-bs7ggended years ago
Let's be honest, it's just a yummy mummy car to take a child to school...
They have soft close on John Deere combines these days Harry!
Excellent review.
My friends wife got clipped by a spirited driver entering the motorway in her Evoke. She hit the central barrier
and ended on the hard shoulder with much bruising.
Not unnaturally she suffered a loss of confidence and the only car she felt safe in was a Defender. She loves it.
Back in the day (five years ago) she would have bought an XC90.
She follows the herd like the rest of them….
And everyone else suffers
@@yebo56 she is a very considerate driver.
Sounds like she used that accident as an opportunity to get out of the evoque imho
@@fatfreddyscoat7564 It was a write off. I understand they have a problem with the floor buckling?
Saw two defenders getting stuck in a lane. Too wide, too small inside. Stupid car. You could literally fit more on the back of a motorbike
as always a great video Harry!.. might the problem have been a short wheelbase rather than the overhang?
Land Rover should have listened to Harry BEFORE putting the Defender into production!
The mirror rear view camera is nuts, especially when it has the tow bar camera that could be used as well.
I didn't bother speccing that rear cam its a gimmick in my opinion, Mirror works perfectly !
@Gary Fishman Hi am Cindy Smith, how are you? Hope we can be friends..
I am curious how the Dacia Duster will fare on your farm.
I can see many of these cars starting life in Chelsea and ending up as farmer's cars. The off-road ability is amazing as is the base engine. Just a shame about the small loading hatch. But still.
The lwb would be far better at towing, swb tow cars arnt as stable.
Great review Harry.
As a farmer's son, literally no farmer I know would buy this for use as a farm vehicle. They all have old Hilux's etc. This is a Chelsea tractor, nothing more. No normal farmer could afford this. To be honest it makes me suck the air through my teeth just seeing the state of this after 12 months on a farm - it just isn't built as a utility vehicle (not what I'd consider utility anyway) and the rear load space just looks so impractical - the opening is tiny!
Amazing how overpriced this thing is. I think they are definitely got excellent styling. I was strongly considering that, but after looking reviews online, decided not to buy.
There are many more suitable vehicles for farm use available -> first and foremost you will likely want a bed.
what will the electronics reliability be like in a few years time
That middle seat arm rest thing is fab. Inspired idea!:)
Very distinctive colour and looked great for towing the car trailer when I passed you on the M6 two weeks ago! Off to see Mr Tyrrell I guess! I was in the Exige and on my way back from a Harry inspired Alps trip - the Col de l'Iseran is a must do next time you visit! 👍
Great review Harry ... as a none driver I always enjoyed traveling in my Brother-in-laws Disco .. even when we were working at rallies .. but sadly it suffered an electrical failure at a rally and got burnt to nothing a few years ago. I always smile when I see the new Defender because it reminds me of a ginat Tonka toy .. but the design is growing on me. How about doing a review of your conbine as I would be really interested to learn about the price of running one and what all the parts cost.
I love the way it looks, it has really grown on me. But, I reckon a used Prado 150 3 door would be better in every way.
Great review, good car but far too expensive. I would get a pickup truck, hilux or dmax if I had a farm, which I don't, lol!
The smaller farm truck market here in Maryland is dominated by F350s and F450s with a lot of hay transportation being done with semi trucks. I can't think of a time when I saw a mid-size pickup being used for anything work related.
the idea is to be working horse,they need to bring engineers from toyota.
And after 3 years or 100k miles, a very different review. 😂
Really interesting review…53 grand is way overpriced. I’ll stick with my Hilux…only 24 grand and bulletproof.
The perfect farm vehicle! It looks great in that colour with the steel wheels.
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Could the Defender 110 version be more useful around the farm?