If you watch the Linebacker again, you'll notice that it spun its turret and elevated the gun and launcher. At that position and elevation is the launcher pod reload position. IIRC, there are two guys in the back whose job is to pull the empties out of the launcher and put in new rounds. That's why the Linebacker didn't use its guns. It was reloading missles. Also, the Gepard is built on a Leopard I hull chassis so it's a beefy boy.
wasn't the leopard 1 chassis an early cold war MBT built for speed & maneuverability with relatively thin armor? i mean, i don't know what kind of ammo they've got in the flankers, but i'd imagine that there are ammo types with enough penetration to go through.
@@vukpsodorov5446 Thats a strong maybe; the leopard 1's armor was primarily to defeat autocannon rounds, and whether or not the flanker's gun would go through depends pretty heavily on exactly which ammo is loaded.
From what I can find the Leopard 1's armor was 70mm thick depending on location. To put that in perspective the M2A2 Bradley has about 14.5 mm of space laminate armor and that is supposed to be able to defend against 30mm autocannon fire.
@@qfinck It should be noted that all autocannon ammunition isn't the same, even for the same gun. For instance some soviet 30mm can easily peirce the front of an M2 Bradley but not the turret of the leopard. Also angle of impact and piece or armor hit play a large role in penetration, however this does not appear to be modeled within DCS.
@@qfinck well yes, 70mm in certain places. mostly the front. the sides, real, and especially the top is a lot thinner. that being said, while the bradley has thinner plates, it does use spaced & composite armor, whereas the leopard is made entirely of RHA. still, after digging around i wasn't able to find all that much info regarding the penetration of the Gsh-30-1's AP rounds, and the info i did find was against heavily angled (around 60 degrees ) plates at 1000+ meters, with about 15-20mm of penetration.
in reality you will have bombers going in while being covered by F16 with anti radiation missiles, and probably around +20-30 planes in the air, so turning radar on makes you a siting duck, just look at the bombing of Yugoslavia 99 Over 800 SAMs were fired by Yugoslav forces at NATO aircraft, including 477 SA-6s and 124 confirmed MANPADS, for the downing of only two aircraft and several more damaged. now for this we could blame the crew of SAMs or NATO for not playing fair and using older planes in smaller numbers but reality is this In Ukraine we can see that if you have a lot of SAMs it works, but even then SAMs can't shot down everything
@@svetpolitikeratovaioruzja4695 The problem in yugoslavia was the difference between quite modern stealth technology and extremly old (The Sa-6 was put into service in 1967) anti air technology
I approve of the Roland launcher at 12:48 exploding so hard, it briefly activated the switch window dialog and turned itself into the auto-cannon configuration.
26:39 dad was part of the RAF Squadron who operated these out in the Desert in Gulf 1 and 2. The killer thing with Rapier is that it is just so insanely manouevrable. The gunners on Rapier were also drilled in firing them extremely well, so hit and kill was highly probable if a target came in kill zone. Fortunately in the Gulf Wars Iraq never managed to sortie over British Bases and so Rapier was never needed. It was used in the Falklands, but was hampered by poor crew skill (they hadn't done training on Rapier for a couple of months) and lack of spare parts, as well as difficulty tracking targets thanks to ground clutter around Falkland Sound.
The Jeep really makes these videos pop when watching, due to size comparison showing how big or small these systems are IRL. Kortana Scott and Simba GG.
Every time I see the Avenger I always think about how incredibly hot it must get inside of the gunner's cabin with that giant window while sitting out in the baking desert sun.
Last rant lol, the AI grinds my gears for patriot being a 14 series because we’d never fire at a target we know we wouldn’t hit, that being said though Patriot has been tailored more towards TBM’s.
This game seems to discount all US weapons. But the Gepard looked like something out of the Terminator movies, can't wait to see it in some of the missions you do.
anyone else remember an older flying "sim" called SU-27 Flanker that was on DOS, and what feels like forever ago? i noticed a few of these looked familiar and even though it took me a min, it hit me that i remember them from SU-27 Flanker. i used to love playing that "sim" and honestly, id love to get ahold of a copy of it and spend hours on it again.
They just did what they did with Russian SAMs. Whether you like it or not the rule is to start dodging when the first bullet or missile is fired. If it was realistic, they would've used more Russian launchers instead of just one. Lol.
Surprised they don't have the Nike sites. MIM-3 Ajax was the worlds first operational and deployed sam, It's a wacky 2 stage much like the soviet S-75.
It's an area control system, and was reacted to every time. A good chunk of it's mission is anti ballistic missile, and those didn't to react till very recently. If the system gets a firing solution on a target that doesn't react*, it will usually work (at least in theory). Nato has always been more reliant on it's interceptors, so if the system delays an adversary it can be regarded as a success. Granted, it probably would still have been better to have fewer missiles in the air at a time for that role, but the low pk isn't necessarily ineffective. *Down side to this is that non military aircraft are the ones unlikely to react.
@@vasiliymedvedev1532 Like all systems, it depends on operator proficiency. To name a cheesy example, there is this movie about the incident with US plane over Yugoslavia where the radar operator turns off the radar to give the intruding American plane a false sense of security. If the operator is a noob, they might fire everything they've got the moment they see a threat without knowing if they have a realistic hit probability.
+Grim Reapers I think the reason the Vulcan fired once and stopped at first was because it couldnt calculate the lead needed while kortana was flying directly overhead; would be a waste of ammo
Stinger missile seeker has an IR and UV tracking abilities so it ignores counter measures and hits what's not admitting UV I.e a jet in the sky, however not sure when this seeker was put into service it could've been later then 89
The difference between this and the Russian sam's is astounding, the strongest sam battery is the patriot, which in DCS (and maybe in real life) is hardly a threat. Which is usually compared to an SA-10, just worse in every category. Makes the PVP servers super weird with SAM balance. Just to quote my favorite line from the vid: "Warn me when there's an actual sam coming and not a Patriot."
@@TeenTeenFpv Welp. Vietnam was almost 60 years ago where pilot training and missile maintenance changed the scene. Guns changed nothing. Since that time aircraft and weapons have vastly improved and US pilots get all the flight time they can stomach. We are seeing in Ukraine right now that the Russian air force is dog shit and the planes aren't living up to the sales pitches and DCS reality. For all the shit people give the US military, rightly so sometimes, it has shown that as far as air combat goes the US dominates and no air force can stand up to it. If the US needed better ground based air defense they would have it.
Its more that the soviets decided to make a lot of their SAM and RADAR posts mobile to adjust for the seasons, building a chain of fixed sites through Siberia (or the Ural mountains) would be a monumental task compared to driving crews out from artic bases to SAM posts
Clam Shell, Low Blow and Square Pair all have CW antennas as a part of the system. Probably more do but I only looked up those three from the previous SAM overview video.
That was fun. There were a few surprises, in particular the Rapier. It did well against A4's 40 years ago but I'd assumed it was well past its sell by date. Even so it's going out of service this year. I still think the Russian SAM's are scarier.
You'd be surprised what crew skill does. The emphasis with Rapier was on crew skill, much like Starstreak on the Stormer HVM (Army) The operators are exceptionally skilled, as they have no proxy fuse, but their missiles are exceptionally fast and manouevrable. It's a tradeoff but the crews can afford to do that because they're trained exceptionally well.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 crew skill is a good point, I hadn't thought of that in the context of SAM sites. Wonder how well trained russia's SAM crews are if their pilots are so inexperienced and how much of a difference that makes currently.
You guys thinking any country would model their top-notch equipment realistically in-game is toddler-naive. It's a game for mass consumption. All you see is 20 years old tech (or more), with likely heavily modified real performance, managed by a VERY dumb AI.
This was great.. Exactly what I asked for.. I'm one of your loyal subscribers that doesn't play the game.. And I'm pretty disappointed that there are so few anti air from NATO and America... I thought it woulda been way more.
Glad I found this channel, looks like a lot of prep work goes into these videos. Have you ever tried the flight described in the start of 'Where Eagles Dare'? Snow, darkness, over Swiss air space no light, it may be a challenge!
If you are talking about the flight that pilot says: "Some Messerschmidt is giving me a bad name on purpose by flying over the Swiss airspace" - then yeah it is based on real flights. Both sides "skirted" the Swiss Air border. Sometimes quite deeply. Of course they couldn't really protest if such plane was shot down by Swiss AA or CAP. Ans Swiss made so many protests that I thing papers would fill large room to the ceiling.
@Cap. I don't know how to get video requests to you, so do it here. Would like to see A-10 flying low past various SAM sites to attack a target a few miles away. Maybe an adjust to your highway of death, but with a local SAM network.
The NASAMS is being upgraded with AIM-9X, IRIS-T and AMRAAM-ER missiles (basically Evolved Sea Sparrow with AMRAAM head). The upgrade will give both longer and short range improvements. Also keep in mind that the western systems have a very high degree of networking, which I believe the Russians lack. In other words, the NASAMS and the PATRIOT can network and automatically exchange tracking and firing data, together with data from airborne sensors like the E3 AWACS, E7 Wedgetail F22 and F35 (and basically every other NATO asset). This gives huge advantages.
In my own testing, against large and small aircraft, varying speeds and altitudes, flat terrain (the ocean), the Patriot missile system was essentially useless. SHORADS (Avenger) were more effective. This just confirmed everything I had gamed out. I remember a couple of scenarios GR did against the Roland and just got blotted out of the sky!
The biggest problem with patriot is that the AI handles the system way differently then how it is IRL. That being said Patriot has a far better track record against ballistic missiles
@@TeenTeenFpv One simply dose not just plant his face into an object. he meticulously calculates a 100 variables like windspeed, angle of attack, amount of eye shadow applied, weight of the air craft, current location of constellation centurion 1, flap position, camera angle, latest 4 Instagram/twitter comments, golden globe award nominations, target altitude, rate of decent, canopy coefficient. All of these highly important and precise calculations have to be figured out before you can make an accurate face plant..
Well in REAL scenario, they would jam on approach and launch HARMs until there were no radars left....THEN attack whatever target these systems were defending.
Hi everyone! ( Hey Cortana 😉) I love seeing you guys using the Patriot.... . I was with Patriot ( 1983-87 ) when we were still testing it, I was at Ft. Bliss/White Sands Missile Range with it putting it through it's pases before it came (officially ) online Than we ALL went over to Germany ( 1984 ) with it to become the 1st Active Patriot Unit in Giessen Germany . *PS:* It was a great system back in the day, better at anti-missile than anti-aircraft if you ask me 😋
Love the idea of using a Jeep for tooling around and getting a sense of scale. But I'm a VR user, and the DCS Store says that Combined Arms doesn't support VR. Is that true that driving a jeep wouldn't be in VR? I've ejected and walked around aircraft to get a proper sense of their size using VR, would welcome being faster than the walking pilot.
Great little educational experience. Have you done a TFR mission in a Tornado, like they started doing in Gulf War I against airfields? British stopped doing low level missions because they were too dangerous. Can the Grim Reapers step up to the plate and knock out the enemy runways?
You should try this with three Stinger guys and without telling jets missile have fired.Telling jets Fox Two missiles are out removes one of their best strengths. (I also think the games Ai limits the utility of the patriots).
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND THE Flakpanzer Gepard IS MY PERSONAL FAV OF NATO AAA AND SAM SYSTEMS. NO ONE CAN BEAT THE MIGHT GEPARD. ALSO IT MEANS cheetah its French.
the Vulcan gun is what we Americans call accuracy by volumes i..e put up a very dense and very large wall of rounds that is not so easily dodged. look clips of ciws or animations of the you'll know what I mean when I say a wall of lead is more cost effective than a missile 5:28 is when it actually starts working
The russian sams do not need to be as mobile as they wage war via roads on the asian continent so sizeis not amajor factor. The americans wage war on foreign shores so have developed systems to be more mobile and a smaller size so they can transport enough in volume to make enough of a dent to be effective... geography of the usa has so much influence on its systems its unbelievable
I have quick question. I am new to DCS, not new but been here from sometime but never got much chance to play. I wanted to know, what's difference between DCS steam version and standalone?? I have steam version, should I move to standalone?? It would be helpful if someone can tell more about this. 😅
Awesome it has NASAMS, is it able to communicate with link 16 in game like it can in rl?? Cause u can set up Awesome sambushes with NASAMS with link 16
@@TeenTeenFpv which is easy to do, cause the missile battery isn't emitting radiation and can sit quietly upto 15km/mls away from the actual search radar and talking via link 16
If you watch the Linebacker again, you'll notice that it spun its turret and elevated the gun and launcher. At that position and elevation is the launcher pod reload position. IIRC, there are two guys in the back whose job is to pull the empties out of the launcher and put in new rounds. That's why the Linebacker didn't use its guns. It was reloading missles.
Also, the Gepard is built on a Leopard I hull chassis so it's a beefy boy.
wasn't the leopard 1 chassis an early cold war MBT built for speed & maneuverability with relatively thin armor?
i mean, i don't know what kind of ammo they've got in the flankers, but i'd imagine that there are ammo types with enough penetration to go through.
@@vukpsodorov5446 Thats a strong maybe; the leopard 1's armor was primarily to defeat autocannon rounds, and whether or not the flanker's gun would go through depends pretty heavily on exactly which ammo is loaded.
From what I can find the Leopard 1's armor was 70mm thick depending on location. To put that in perspective the M2A2 Bradley has about 14.5 mm of space laminate armor and that is supposed to be able to defend against 30mm autocannon fire.
@@qfinck It should be noted that all autocannon ammunition isn't the same, even for the same gun. For instance some soviet 30mm can easily peirce the front of an M2 Bradley but not the turret of the leopard.
Also angle of impact and piece or armor hit play a large role in penetration, however this does not appear to be modeled within DCS.
@@qfinck well yes, 70mm in certain places. mostly the front. the sides, real, and especially the top is a lot thinner.
that being said, while the bradley has thinner plates, it does use spaced & composite armor, whereas the leopard is made entirely of RHA.
still, after digging around i wasn't able to find all that much info regarding the penetration of the Gsh-30-1's AP rounds, and the info i did find was against heavily angled (around 60 degrees ) plates at 1000+ meters, with about 15-20mm of penetration.
I just realized how hard it is to fight real SAM sites that have human operators making real decisions like holding fire until a jet is in a bad spot
in reality you will have bombers going in while being covered by F16 with anti radiation missiles, and probably around +20-30 planes in the air, so turning radar on makes you a siting duck, just look at the bombing of Yugoslavia 99
Over 800 SAMs were fired by Yugoslav forces at NATO aircraft, including 477 SA-6s and 124 confirmed MANPADS, for the downing of only two aircraft and several more damaged.
now for this we could blame the crew of SAMs or NATO for not playing fair and using older planes in smaller numbers but reality is this
In Ukraine we can see that if you have a lot of SAMs it works, but even then SAMs can't shot down everything
@@svetpolitikeratovaioruzja4695 The problem in yugoslavia was the difference between quite modern stealth technology and extremly old (The Sa-6 was put into service in 1967) anti air technology
I approve of the Roland launcher at 12:48 exploding so hard, it briefly activated the switch window dialog and turned itself into the auto-cannon configuration.
12:00 the infantry guy with a Garand shooting too
bless his cotton socks
I think the problem with the Patriot is less its capability and more its AI which blows its load at long range where the kill probability is low.
thats what I was thinking, because it is known to be a great site.
@@Minutemman No it isn’t. It’s notorious for underperforming. Only the most recent variants can be called decent.
lol. Lmao.
@@tetraxis3011 you jesting?
@@ZeroOne-mp1qe Nope. Patriot Blk1 sucked ass and Blk2 wasn’t much better at all. Blk3 is decent.
26:39 dad was part of the RAF Squadron who operated these out in the Desert in Gulf 1 and 2. The killer thing with Rapier is that it is just so insanely manouevrable. The gunners on Rapier were also drilled in firing them extremely well, so hit and kill was highly probable if a target came in kill zone. Fortunately in the Gulf Wars Iraq never managed to sortie over British Bases and so Rapier was never needed.
It was used in the Falklands, but was hampered by poor crew skill (they hadn't done training on Rapier for a couple of months) and lack of spare parts, as well as difficulty tracking targets thanks to ground clutter around Falkland Sound.
The Jeep really makes these videos pop when watching, due to size comparison showing how big or small these systems are IRL.
Kortana Scott and Simba GG.
Change your YT name Scott??
Every time I see the Avenger I always think about how incredibly hot it must get inside of the gunner's cabin with that giant window while sitting out in the baking desert sun.
Got to sit in one. Ya it was lol. There is an ac unit in it but it's only for the equipment.
Last rant lol, the AI grinds my gears for patriot being a 14 series because we’d never fire at a target we know we wouldn’t hit, that being said though Patriot has been tailored more towards TBM’s.
The patriot AI is retarded its the first thing they need to fix...
This game seems to discount all US weapons. But the Gepard looked like something out of the Terminator movies, can't wait to see it in some of the missions you do.
@@TeenTeenFpv Why?
@@TeenTeenFpv even Europe,the best System there is Aster
@@TeenTeenFpv Yeah Aegis with Spy-6 Is the best
@@TeenTeenFpv We do use NASAMs but only in certain places like Washington DC
NATO bot mad that the game accurately shows USA air defense is lacking 🤣
DCS really must focus on the AI part of the “sim”. Sure the modules are great but without a proper AI it becomes so stale.
Great video though 😁
I can see Cap hiding random Gepards in future matches, for that "Surprise" factor
YUP!
anyone else remember an older flying "sim" called SU-27 Flanker that was on DOS, and what feels like forever ago? i noticed a few of these looked familiar and even though it took me a min, it hit me that i remember them from SU-27 Flanker. i used to love playing that "sim" and honestly, id love to get ahold of a copy of it and spend hours on it again.
yes!
Stop telling them when it fires, especially with the IR ones. It’s supposed to be somewhat real and doing that makes it WAY easier to avoid
They just did what they did with Russian SAMs. Whether you like it or not the rule is to start dodging when the first bullet or missile is fired. If it was realistic, they would've used more Russian launchers instead of just one. Lol.
I love how there’s cows out in the fields with the SAMs. That way, once the SAMs are destroyed you can have a bbq.
with the a hawk battery, it can guide any number of missiles to a single target per fire control radar, a normal site is 2 FCRs for six launchers.
You really need to divide these into two types. Short range anti-helicopter "chopper poppers" and the strategic Sams.
Surprised they don't have the Nike sites.
MIM-3 Ajax was the worlds first operational and deployed sam, It's a wacky 2 stage much like the soviet S-75.
Outside of Shilka, the Gepard is probably the coolest AAA unit.
***Cries in Sgt York***
@@johngezon1220 Woooow!!!! What a disaster that project was.🙄
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Question, why do you give verbal warning of a missile being fired each time? Shouldn't they be relying on visual cues and their plane's systems?
agreed.
This shows there is something weird with the patriot AI it is completely useless in DCS . I think it needs fixing
To be more accurate it should only target friendly aircraft.
The engagement range is just too far out. So it won't wait to get higher Pk shots.
This is reality, Sam systems very expensive with questionable effectiveness
It's an area control system, and was reacted to every time. A good chunk of it's mission is anti ballistic missile, and those didn't to react till very recently. If the system gets a firing solution on a target that doesn't react*, it will usually work (at least in theory).
Nato has always been more reliant on it's interceptors, so if the system delays an adversary it can be regarded as a success. Granted, it probably would still have been better to have fewer missiles in the air at a time for that role, but the low pk isn't necessarily ineffective.
*Down side to this is that non military aircraft are the ones unlikely to react.
@@vasiliymedvedev1532 Like all systems, it depends on operator proficiency. To name a cheesy example, there is this movie about the incident with US plane over Yugoslavia where the radar operator turns off the radar to give the intruding American plane a false sense of security. If the operator is a noob, they might fire everything they've got the moment they see a threat without knowing if they have a realistic hit probability.
+Grim Reapers I think the reason the Vulcan fired once and stopped at first was because it couldnt calculate the lead needed while kortana was flying directly overhead; would be a waste of ammo
Probably your best video series, man!
19:13 - Hahaha...I love how dude's like, "NOPE!! I'M OUT!!" 😆
I am actually impressed that 50 cal MGs can reach 15k feet.
Stinger missile seeker has an IR and UV tracking abilities so it ignores counter measures and hits what's not admitting UV I.e a jet in the sky, however not sure when this seeker was put into service it could've been later then 89
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Russians have caught up , DIRCM is implemented on the Su-57 ,not sure on other planes though.
IR/UV was the 1983 -92B model, Stinger POST. Followed by the 1989 -92C/RMP and the D and E.
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The difference between this and the Russian sam's is astounding, the strongest sam battery is the patriot, which in DCS (and maybe in real life) is hardly a threat. Which is usually compared to an SA-10, just worse in every category. Makes the PVP servers super weird with SAM balance.
Just to quote my favorite line from the vid: "Warn me when there's an actual sam coming and not a Patriot."
why does patriot suck so much? I hope it doesn't suck irl lol
@@TeenTeenFpv When you own the air there isn't a big need for these systems. As Russia is showing currently the US really has no air threat.
@@alf3071 incoming missiles dont dodge
@@TeenTeenFpv Welp. Vietnam was almost 60 years ago where pilot training and missile maintenance changed the scene. Guns changed nothing. Since that time aircraft and weapons have vastly improved and US pilots get all the flight time they can stomach. We are seeing in Ukraine right now that the Russian air force is dog shit and the planes aren't living up to the sales pitches and DCS reality.
For all the shit people give the US military, rightly so sometimes, it has shown that as far as air combat goes the US dominates and no air force can stand up to it.
If the US needed better ground based air defense they would have it.
@@TeenTeenFpv You have no idea what you are talking about! There was barely any US gun kills in Vietnam even after they added it back!
As someone who served in a Gepard Battalion, I am very sad that they are no longer in service in the German Bundeswehr.
Hot damn that Gepard!
Its more that the soviets decided to make a lot of their SAM and RADAR posts mobile to adjust for the seasons, building a chain of fixed sites through Siberia (or the Ural mountains) would be a monumental task compared to driving crews out from artic bases to SAM posts
I would be interested in seeing one about Chinese SAMs. Great Vid Cap.
Hell yeah that would be awesome!
@@cassius_eu5970 agreed!
They are just Russian SAMs re-named to "HQ" series numbers.
@@grimreapers go figure, I would have thought they would have been using indigenous SAMs
Funny lol I was the radar guy for the avengers and the m6 linebacker
Patriot too
Cortana has some serious skills!! I like watching her in all the other videos. More display of her skills please
Yeh she did good.
Skip that, what's her phone number or email address???!!!
I haven't played around with the campaign stuff yet but is the newer stuff like the C-Ram or the THAAD in game?
Not yet.
Interesting and fun to watch! Thanks GR
Clam Shell, Low Blow and Square Pair all have CW antennas as a part of the system. Probably more do but I only looked up those three from the previous SAM overview video.
That was fun. There were a few surprises, in particular the Rapier. It did well against A4's 40 years ago but I'd assumed it was well past its sell by date. Even so it's going out of service this year.
I still think the Russian SAM's are scarier.
You'd be surprised what crew skill does. The emphasis with Rapier was on crew skill, much like Starstreak on the Stormer HVM (Army)
The operators are exceptionally skilled, as they have no proxy fuse, but their missiles are exceptionally fast and manouevrable. It's a tradeoff but the crews can afford to do that because they're trained exceptionally well.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 crew skill is a good point, I hadn't thought of that in the context of SAM sites. Wonder how well trained russia's SAM crews are if their pilots are so inexperienced and how much of a difference that makes currently.
@@6105boe Well, they thought a cruising 777 was an enemy strike aircraft, so…
Rapier was basically redesigned in the 1990s. This was the Rapier FSC / 2k which is the 1990s model.
You guys thinking any country would model their top-notch equipment realistically in-game is toddler-naive.
It's a game for mass consumption. All you see is 20 years old tech (or more), with likely heavily modified real performance, managed by a VERY dumb AI.
Good one!
For added comedy, they should put the Blowpipe MANPAD in the game : IIUC, no-one could ever hit anything with it.
Great video. Fun to watch :)
25:20: But does the bubble have A/C?
Bless you and thank you very much!
This was great.. Exactly what I asked for.. I'm one of your loyal subscribers that doesn't play the game.. And I'm pretty disappointed that there are so few anti air from NATO and America... I thought it woulda been way more.
NATO is not very reliant on SAMS, hence why we don't really need many in game.
Love the SAM videos!
So if you didn't tell them the IR missles are coming, how would they do? Usually I get hit from the side when I can't see it coming.
Krieger: "And the best part is he's learning." *Pats Gepard*
Much respect✊ from US definitely subscribing to our NATO Ally!
How does the cow AA work
Do the WW2 units model radio proximity fuses?
WWII timer fuses only in game.
Gepard rules! Love the scary G. I. / cow hybrid centaur soldier at 15:00...
Glad I found this channel, looks like a lot of prep work goes into these videos. Have you ever tried the flight described in the start of 'Where Eagles Dare'? Snow, darkness, over Swiss air space no light, it may be a challenge!
Cool idea
If you are talking about the flight that pilot says: "Some Messerschmidt is giving me a bad name on purpose by flying over the Swiss airspace" - then yeah it is based on real flights. Both sides "skirted" the Swiss Air border. Sometimes quite deeply. Of course they couldn't really protest if such plane was shot down by Swiss AA or CAP. Ans Swiss made so many protests that I thing papers would fill large room to the ceiling.
@Cap. I don't know how to get video requests to you, so do it here.
Would like to see A-10 flying low past various SAM sites to attack a target a few miles away. Maybe an adjust to your highway of death, but with a local SAM network.
"Of course it was Kortana!"
A video with the Chinese and European sam and aaa would be very welcome.
Geez Cortana is a good pilot. Anyone would be lucky to have her on their team.
The NASAMS is being upgraded with AIM-9X, IRIS-T and AMRAAM-ER missiles (basically Evolved Sea Sparrow with AMRAAM head). The upgrade will give both longer and short range improvements. Also keep in mind that the western systems have a very high degree of networking, which I believe the Russians lack. In other words, the NASAMS and the PATRIOT can network and automatically exchange tracking and firing data, together with data from airborne sensors like the E3 AWACS, E7 Wedgetail F22 and F35 (and basically every other NATO asset). This gives huge advantages.
The standard man pad technique is to wait for the target to pass and shoot from the side and back
No dodging dodgy person. Your vocabulary is legendary Cap. From yours truly, valued viewington uington (spelling?)
Next time add Spyder, Iron Dome and David's Sling systems :)
In my own testing, against large and small aircraft, varying speeds and altitudes, flat terrain (the ocean), the Patriot missile system was essentially useless. SHORADS (Avenger) were more effective. This just confirmed everything I had gamed out. I remember a couple of scenarios GR did against the Roland and just got blotted out of the sky!
The biggest problem with patriot is that the AI handles the system way differently then how it is IRL. That being said Patriot has a far better track record against ballistic missiles
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Man, guys like Simba really support your channel. I hope he gets some piece of the action.
simba is mvp
we have a mutual agreement. Cap and GR does support me on other projects a little more off line.
@@vipvip-tf9rw Yes i am a mildly valued pilot ;) j/k thanks for the comments
@@TeenTeenFpv One simply dose not just plant his face into an object. he meticulously calculates a 100 variables like windspeed, angle of attack, amount of eye shadow applied, weight of the air craft, current location of constellation centurion 1, flap position, camera angle, latest 4 Instagram/twitter comments, golden globe award nominations, target altitude, rate of decent, canopy coefficient. All of these highly important and precise calculations have to be figured out before you can make an accurate face plant..
GR would not function without Simba/Scott/RC/IW/Kelso/bendy... and about 10 others TBH.
Would be cool to see real tactics and not cheating like telling them where it’s firing or missiles away or kamikaze attacks.
Well in REAL scenario, they would jam on approach and launch HARMs until there were no radars left....THEN attack whatever target these systems were defending.
Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 68
agreed
Hi everyone! ( Hey Cortana 😉)
I love seeing you guys using the Patriot....
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I was with Patriot ( 1983-87 ) when we were still testing it, I was at Ft. Bliss/White Sands Missile Range with it putting it through it's pases before it came (officially ) online
Than we ALL went over to Germany ( 1984 ) with it to become the 1st Active Patriot Unit in Giessen Germany
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*PS:* It was a great system back in the day, better at anti-missile than anti-aircraft if
you ask me 😋
Thanks Bruce
Oh my god. The Gepard is my new hero.
Mine too! I couldn't believe the beating it took and kept fighting. Definitely going to bring S-24's for it next time
I love these Sam site videos they are the best
Is there a Mod for Patriot PAC-3 SME?
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Love the idea of using a Jeep for tooling around and getting a sense of scale. But I'm a VR user, and the DCS Store says that Combined Arms doesn't support VR. Is that true that driving a jeep wouldn't be in VR? I've ejected and walked around aircraft to get a proper sense of their size using VR, would welcome being faster than the walking pilot.
feature request: rollerskates for ejected pilots
What happened to the Patriot?
Good stuff as always. Does Cortana have a channel?
yes
Yep! 😊
of note the chapparel has 8 spare missiles it carrys with it, reloading takes for ever do to the missiles needing to have there fins attached
thx
16:00 the Gepard is glitched
Great little educational experience. Have you done a TFR mission in a Tornado, like they started doing in Gulf War I against airfields? British stopped doing low level missions because they were too dangerous. Can the Grim Reapers step up to the plate and knock out the enemy runways?
No but hope to.
You should try this with three Stinger guys and without telling jets missile have fired.Telling jets Fox Two missiles are out removes one of their best strengths. (I also think the games Ai limits the utility of the patriots).
VERY GOOD VIDEO AND THE Flakpanzer Gepard IS MY PERSONAL FAV OF NATO AAA AND SAM SYSTEMS. NO ONE CAN BEAT THE MIGHT GEPARD. ALSO IT MEANS cheetah its French.
Performance of Rapier,Roland,Gepard and Nasam was Sweet beautiful European Systems ❤️.(Also Chaparral In-game model needs update 🤢).
The Patriot ECS should be placed behind the Radar and rhe epp should be off to the right side of the two if you're going for accuracy
gepard even op in DCS, war thunder it can kill, good maneuver, and it can kill planes so good.
Is it possible to do a naval version of this? Might be interesting.
I did think this but TBH the actual naval SAMS in game are very sparse.
Can you do another fly through the ha noi sam alley again? But this time using the most modern AA and AAA
Cool idea
the Vulcan gun is what we Americans call accuracy by volumes i..e put up a very dense and very large wall of rounds that is not so easily dodged. look clips of ciws or animations of the you'll know what I mean when I say a wall of lead is more cost effective than a missile 5:28 is when it actually starts working
"Wow! That's hard". That's what Cap said!
Great vid. Less kamikaze :)
Those US soldiers are brave, standing close to the launchers not afraid of the blast.
Dcs IA knows no fear.
@@PaletoB yes amazing not even go prone when fired upon.
Nike Hercules would be fun for a second.
agree
CONCLUSION? Use standoff weapons!! There is a reason why they attack with HARMs first.
The Gepard is built on a Leopard 1 chassis. Leo 1 is not a thick skinned tank but it can certainly withstand autocannon fire.
The russian sams do not need to be as mobile as they wage war via roads on the asian continent so sizeis not amajor factor.
The americans wage war on foreign shores so have developed systems to be more mobile and a smaller size so they can transport enough in volume to make enough of a dent to be effective... geography of the usa has so much influence on its systems its unbelievable
Rapier was pish in the falklands as well.
Gepard
so for a future redo go the full iads route and put multiple gepards in.
The Atlanta class light cruiser?
I have quick question. I am new to DCS, not new but been here from sometime but never got much chance to play. I wanted to know, what's difference between DCS steam version and standalone?? I have steam version, should I move to standalone??
It would be helpful if someone can tell more about this. 😅
Standalone superior. Please use that.
Though yeah that’s the bane of a patriot battery, we have no short range air defense too cover the gap
Com'on....taking out the VULCAN with a Kamikasi
Never point a radar speed gun at a military aircraft to see how fast its going, as its basicaly saying hey shoot me.
This sim over rates the Russian systems, and under rates the NATO systems. Patriot is a VERY good system.
the ai in the game is really stupid
Awesome it has NASAMS, is it able to communicate with link 16 in game like it can in rl?? Cause u can set up Awesome sambushes with NASAMS with link 16
@@TeenTeenFpv which is easy to do, cause the missile battery isn't emitting radiation and can sit quietly upto 15km/mls away from the actual search radar and talking via link 16
Not sure but I am becoming worried about NASAMS now...
Flakpanzer Gepard: wow...
14:05 wow the soldier with the bolt action rifle shot down the jet!!!111!1!!1!!