One of the main advantages of NASAMS irl, that you don't use here, is that you can use several radars and distribute the launchers over a large area. You can for example put 2 search radars 10 miles apart from each other, with 1 launcher close to each radar to protect it, and hide the other launchers anywhere in the radar coverage area, even miles away from the radar. Result: it can do ambushes, and you can't even anticipate where the missiles come from even if you know where the radars are.
@@tmo_117 Yeah, Cap uses a classical SAM structure here, but that's not what NASAMS is designed for. Ambushes are its strength, and a good NASAMS site can be a nightmare
In Vietnam, the SAM operators would switch radars on and off so that shrike missiles couldn't track all the way to their intended target. A-6 crews started using shrike azimuth data and running it through the A-6 onboard computer, DIANE, to triangulate the SAM site location and then bomb it with CBUs or iron bombs. Reading about the A-6 right now. 3,000,000 to 7,000,000lbs of ordnance dropped per cruise by a single squadron. Average 17 sorties a day, 30 mk 82s per plane. They were known for running carrier groups dry of bombs. Would make a cool competition: which team can drop 500 bombs from their CVN first?
I was in Andøya when we tested the NASAMS. Its a network based system with alot of donor information (link 16/track radars). System is made by the Kongsberg group in Norway.
NASAMS use the AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel that uses scatted back to get a scan every 2 seconds (15 RPM *2) it looks like that is enough for a working TWS trace, especially as the launcher had a data link with the missile for pre-Pitbull guidance.
More disgusting would be a set of trucks with IR scanners. Basically a short range radar making wild weasel missions almost impossible. It wouldn’t give out any emission at all. The Position could then be relayed to the Control unit and the Target is half done at this point. Quite a good way to defeat cruise missiles too.
In a future video, try play Carrier Command 2 with Simba and the others! Its a RTS game where you basically take control of a futuristic carrier to take over enemy-held islands.
Cap I found that even if you have anti radiation missiles the NASAMS has no problem shooting those missiles down even in a saturation attack (to an extent) with high hit percentages.
@@agggrgrg2419 Yes but I was just saying that the system can shoot many missiles fast and that the actual missiles are good at hitting fast incoming missiles.
@@ldviper7654 yeah wonder what rotations speed those launchers have? Probably not as fast as a searam but still pretty fast so ce it has such a short range
If you set this thing to alarm state red and radar emissions off, how long does it take for it to fire when you turn the radar back on? How much do the missiles loft? With proper emission control and realistic launcher placement, this thing could be deadly for anything below 15,000 ft. You need a lot of hill to hide from a fox 3.
The short answer to loft is "a lot". Range dependent clearly. And yes, being efficient in theaters with dramatic terrain has been one of the design criteria from day 1 As for the time question, it is kinda moot, since you don't strictly need a local radar at all.
Actually AMRAAM-ER was test fired from NASAMS in may 2021. Iris-T will also be certified now because Norway has plenty of them that can’t be reused in our F-35 fighters. We currently use them on F-16 fighters that will be sold or scrapped from January 2022 and onwards.
This is a nasty system isn't it. I think the radar is a phased array - like the planar radars on AEGIS cruisers etc. so although it's rotating mechanically it's electronically scanning so the update rate is much faster - it will briefly loose it as the track goes to the edge of the array but will pick it up as soon as it rotates a bit, you can probably have many radars spread out and many launchers.
Think NRAF implemented the NASAMS-3/ER in 2019 as part of the protection of the new f-35s. Also, believe NASAMS systems are used as part of the air defence around Washington D.C.
That's how I had to fly to beat the a-10 campaign, just stayed ~100 feet off the deck the entire time and hope I don't eat a 30mm round zooming over the target area to drop my cbu-97s
@@FuriouslyFurious I'm probably not that low on release but they do work, they pop out of the canister as soon as you release them. So I would dump them all right as I pass over the target and since they're wind corrected sfw the bomblets parachutes keep them from over shooting the targets. It took a little practice to find out the release point while flying low, fast and level but for me it's been very effective
It's good fun, I just wouldn't recommend doing it on targets on flat open terrain since armor usually has AAA attached to them, or BMP/BTR s with their scary auto cannons
Be interesting now to see if a wild weasel can attack that weird search and track system? Let's see an Su-25T and harrier with Harms and AR sidewinders have a go?
Add together all the SAMs and AA missiles carried by the carrier and escorts; this is sum A Then add up all the cannon ammo carried for aircraft and CIWS and divide by 50; this is sum B. Add sums A and B. There is your answer. The Hokum has essentially no capability to strike armed naval targets. It's weapons range are too short, and the warheads ineffective against ships. It is slow and radar-bright. There is nothing for it to hide behind over water. Easy target for any anti-air system on the carrier group.
Got my Super Taurus in today, now just waiting on my Virpil Flight Stick, I can’t believe how fast I got this in, when I ordered my first Combat Panel I wanna say it took 5 weeks or so, now I’m gonna need help getting setup 😂
Based on my absolutely no knowledge of SAMs/radar/missiles, other that what I’ve learned from this channel, wouldn’t they not need a fire control radar? Isn’t the point of a TWS system that they don’t use FCR that would notify the target of the lock? Would be interested to know if they do have one though, seems like a neat system from the vid/some of the comments.
That is exactly how it works. Search radar & datalink for mid course guidance. It can even be launched passively using an electro-optical sensor. Dodge that Cap!
You can in theory launch a missile completely silent, based on passive tracking or datalink track sources. Which will obviously be worse precision than if using a local search radar, but at the same time there's clearly something to be said for not alerting the target until the missile goes pitbull
Hi i have a request. Can you use an agm122 to shoot an airborn target? Can it shoot down an aircraft or even a missile? I apologyse for my really bad english. (Btw your videos are incredibly good)
A little correction : S-400 doesn't use active (fox 3) technology, at least at the moment we talk. It relies on the good ol' reliable remote control + TVM/SARH, like S-300 family
Come on the F16 along with the JF and Mirage are the easiest aircraft to notch 120s in. It is literally a joke how easy it is compared to other aircraft.
I cant remember the video but there was one where you and your sidekick were hit and lost an engine and you went looking for the APU... YOu dont need the APU..Here I made a video You get a mention in the comments section. ruclips.net/video/fn-5mEWfass/видео.html
The US is one of the users of nasams. Raytheon suplies both the missile and radar, Senop currently suplies the command module, and Kongsberg does system integration as the primary contractor. (Raytheon is a rockets-r-us defence giant that makes all kinds of rockets not just for sams)
Why do pops allow their feelings to be affected by commenters escapes me. Who freaking cares what rolls have to say? Of course I don’t have a single social media account so I don’t know how bad it goes in non-censored platforms. Just RUclips
How about another time machine scenario? I was thinking of a modern US Air Wing that includes some F22's and F35's vs the Japanese Imperial Navy force that attacked Pearl Harbor? Mission is to prevent the attack and destroy the enemy at all cost.
"...One of the biggest youtube users out there has just shut down in DCS..." oh darn, that sucks, I wonder who it was. /clicks over to GS channel after watching this video/ WhaaAAAAATF!!??!!!... EDIT: not GS, GS channel is back up!+1
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One of the main advantages of NASAMS irl, that you don't use here, is that you can use several radars and distribute the launchers over a large area. You can for example put 2 search radars 10 miles apart from each other, with 1 launcher close to each radar to protect it, and hide the other launchers anywhere in the radar coverage area, even miles away from the radar. Result: it can do ambushes, and you can't even anticipate where the missiles come from even if you know where the radars are.
That just sounds like not a good time at all
@@tmo_117 Yeah, Cap uses a classical SAM structure here, but that's not what NASAMS is designed for. Ambushes are its strength, and a good NASAMS site can be a nightmare
dont forget that even without its own radar, the NASAMS can also use link 16 data, or at the very worst, shoot the 120s maddog with out a radar.
I was going to say that they are WAY to close together
wow thx
In Vietnam, the SAM operators would switch radars on and off so that shrike missiles couldn't track all the way to their intended target. A-6 crews started using shrike azimuth data and running it through the A-6 onboard computer, DIANE, to triangulate the SAM site location and then bomb it with CBUs or iron bombs.
Reading about the A-6 right now. 3,000,000 to 7,000,000lbs of ordnance dropped per cruise by a single squadron. Average 17 sorties a day, 30 mk 82s per plane. They were known for running carrier groups dry of bombs. Would make a cool competition: which team can drop 500 bombs from their CVN first?
I was in Andøya when we tested the NASAMS. Its a network based system with alot of donor information (link 16/track radars). System is made by the Kongsberg group in Norway.
Along with Raytheon
IRL at that altitude a potential birdstrike would be your biggest worry really xD
Your crew chief would go nuts after that low flying, he'd be picking bits of tree out of all the nooks and crannies of the jet!! P.S. Nice flying!
NASAMS use the AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel that uses scatted back to get a scan every 2 seconds (15 RPM *2) it looks like that is enough for a working TWS trace, especially as the launcher had a data link with the missile for pre-Pitbull guidance.
thc
That makes sense. It only needs a rough bearing to the target anyway, since it's using inertial guidance initially, rather than sarh.
More disgusting would be a set of trucks with IR scanners. Basically a short range radar making wild weasel missions almost impossible. It wouldn’t give out any emission at all. The Position could then be relayed to the Control unit and the Target is half done at this point. Quite a good way to defeat cruise missiles too.
In a future video, try play Carrier Command 2 with Simba and the others! Its a RTS game where you basically take control of a futuristic carrier to take over enemy-held islands.
Yeah, that will be very nice. It is also possible to play with 8 and more persons. Maybe the entire GR Crew?
Cap I found that even if you have anti radiation missiles the NASAMS has no problem shooting those missiles down even in a saturation attack (to an extent) with high hit percentages.
wow! thx
The Missiles are fox 3 so really the only limit the number of your missile
@@agggrgrg2419 Yes but I was just saying that the system can shoot many missiles fast and that the actual missiles are good at hitting fast incoming missiles.
@@ldviper7654 yeah wonder what rotations speed those launchers have? Probably not as fast as a searam but still pretty fast so ce it has such a short range
it didn't take a shot at RC first cause it knows you are a hero.
If you set this thing to alarm state red and radar emissions off, how long does it take for it to fire when you turn the radar back on? How much do the missiles loft? With proper emission control and realistic launcher placement, this thing could be deadly for anything below 15,000 ft. You need a lot of hill to hide from a fox 3.
The short answer to loft is "a lot". Range dependent clearly.
And yes, being efficient in theaters with dramatic terrain has been one of the design criteria from day 1
As for the time question, it is kinda moot, since you don't strictly need a local radar at all.
Is it only AIM-120B/C that's available in DCS for NASAMS or have they implementet other missiles as well, like AMRAAM-ER, IRIS-T and AIM-9X?
only Amraams at moment
Actually AMRAAM-ER was test fired from NASAMS in may 2021. Iris-T will also be certified now because Norway has plenty of them that can’t be reused in our F-35 fighters. We currently use them on F-16 fighters that will be sold or scrapped from January 2022 and onwards.
Feeling bonds and friendships already.
nasams is National/Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System
thx
This is a nasty system isn't it. I think the radar is a phased array - like the planar radars on AEGIS cruisers etc. so although it's rotating mechanically it's electronically scanning so the update rate is much faster - it will briefly loose it as the track goes to the edge of the array but will pick it up as soon as it rotates a bit, you can probably have many radars spread out and many launchers.
NASAMS uses the mpq 64 sentinel. Which in this config is a rotating, combined search and track radar.
Think NRAF implemented the NASAMS-3/ER in 2019 as part of the protection of the new f-35s.
Also, believe NASAMS systems are used as part of the air defence around Washington D.C.
The Radar is a "Raytheon AN/MPQ-64F1 Sentinel"
You are correct, the Norwegian NASAMS has protected Washington for almost a couple of decades now.
Wow, this is some cool simulation! Ilove it!
3:58 Oh hello Rc
RC, the real hero here lol
RC is back. The balance is restored
Nope literally just been called out again :(
Who was the DCS RUclipsr who pulled the pin?
no clue
MVP
@@grimreapers im pretty sure they are back, im in their server still
Who is the DCS youtuber who shut down? 2:50
yeah whos he talking about
I checked all of the biggest dcs creators I knew and they were all fine
I was just going to ask the same thing
@@jacobdenning9759 I think Crash Laobi was quiet for a while but he just did a fantastic Mi-24 video.
It may have been bunyap? Although, he's now working directly for ED. I miss his RUclips tutorials.
I thought hitting things with your face was obligatory for GR so how did RC do anything wrong there at the end?
OK fine, I'll let him off :)
Waiting for Cap,RC,SIMBA & Kortana reenact 🥰
Don't forget about Rapier.
That's how I had to fly to beat the a-10 campaign, just stayed ~100 feet off the deck the entire time and hope I don't eat a 30mm round zooming over the target area to drop my cbu-97s
Ummm...dropping a cbu97 at 100 ft AGL is probably not effective.
@@FuriouslyFurious I'm probably not that low on release but they do work, they pop out of the canister as soon as you release them. So I would dump them all right as I pass over the target and since they're wind corrected sfw the bomblets parachutes keep them from over shooting the targets. It took a little practice to find out the release point while flying low, fast and level but for me it's been very effective
@@AdamD19D awesome. I'll have to give that a try.
It's good fun, I just wouldn't recommend doing it on targets on flat open terrain since armor usually has AAA attached to them, or BMP/BTR s with their scary auto cannons
US is sending these ones to Ukraine, allegedly, Russia is not gonna be happy
Such a power move by the US. Very hopeful it will keep Russians on the ground where they are safe.
Be interesting now to see if a wild weasel can attack that weird search and track system? Let's see an Su-25T and harrier with Harms and AR sidewinders have a go?
With proper blinking tactics and a datalink track source, that will be very difficult
I’m building a model Ka-50 Hokum. I’m curious and have an idea. How many Hokum’s would it take to take down a US carrier group
Add together all the SAMs and AA missiles carried by the carrier and escorts; this is sum A Then add up all the cannon ammo carried for aircraft and CIWS and divide by 50; this is sum B. Add sums A and B. There is your answer.
The Hokum has essentially no capability to strike armed naval targets. It's weapons range are too short, and the warheads ineffective against ships. It is slow and radar-bright. There is nothing for it to hide behind over water. Easy target for any anti-air system on the carrier group.
It's a Fox-3. It's fired maddog off the rail so it goes active right away and locks the target in front of it.
thx
Source? I think it uses datalink for mid course guidance.
Wrong - it is not fired maddog
I feel so warm and Fuzzy 🥰 now
RC how embarrassing 😳
Fight a Burke by yourself next XD. Or an Udaloy.
Got my Super Taurus in today, now just waiting on my Virpil Flight Stick, I can’t believe how fast I got this in, when I ordered my first Combat Panel I wanna say it took 5 weeks or so, now I’m gonna need help getting setup 😂
Good man!
Robot killer Emus & cows can beat them...
Did you leave out the command vehicle?
2:41 All you need is ponies. Lots of ponies. And by lots, I mean _LOTS!_ /)
12:52 Must be the WinWing... **paladin laugh, paladin laugh**
Kinda missed the point. Is us spread out over a wider area. If you loose one unit you are still operational
Based on my absolutely no knowledge of SAMs/radar/missiles, other that what I’ve learned from this channel, wouldn’t they not need a fire control radar? Isn’t the point of a TWS system that they don’t use FCR that would notify the target of the lock? Would be interested to know if they do have one though, seems like a neat system from the vid/some of the comments.
NASAMS is basically an AMRAAM so it can (IRL anyway) use a datalink to launch and then you only get an RWR warning when the missile goes active.
That is exactly how it works. Search radar & datalink for mid course guidance. It can even be launched passively using an electro-optical sensor. Dodge that Cap!
You can in theory launch a missile completely silent, based on passive tracking or datalink track sources. Which will obviously be worse precision than if using a local search radar, but at the same time there's clearly something to be said for not alerting the target until the missile goes pitbull
I got shot down one time and it scared me so bad I hurt my arm jumping in my seat.
Hey Cap, could you do a buyer´s guide for the Mi-24?
was just waiting for the A-A missile
Spin Rate equal canister spread width.
thx
Cap would be an awesome war commentator
Is that a job?
@@grimreapers i mean... you could go to a news agency and report about wars going on...
"that bomb just hit that guy in the face!!"
I am no NASAMS operator, and dont even have to be to see how horrible the placement of those systems esp. radar is lol
agree
A real deployment would indeed look very different. And consist of more systems as well.
Other than Norwegians use it as well.
Ya sometimes you are mean to ur people you play with..
There's a lot of keyboard warriors on the net these days
What channel shutdown, people are ridiculous nowadays (the keyboard warriors)
SAMRAAM
lol
SLAMRAAM
@@wanhapatu That is indeed what USMC called their NASAMS program until it got axed.
NASAMS vs US carrier air wing ???
lol
2:50 RIP :(
Hi i have a request. Can you use an agm122 to shoot an airborn target? Can it shoot down an aircraft or even a missile? I apologyse for my really bad english. (Btw your videos are incredibly good)
Tried it but haven't gotten a hit yet :(
@@grimreapers oh ok no problem thanks for checking it tho
A little correction : S-400 doesn't use active (fox 3) technology, at least at the moment we talk.
It relies on the good ol' reliable remote control + TVM/SARH, like S-300 family
Come on the F16 along with the JF and Mirage are the easiest aircraft to notch 120s in. It is literally a joke how easy it is compared to other aircraft.
Why don't you video about Bangladesh Army, Navy and Air Force?
@@sicknote1558 did you mean. *Burmese Army*?
is there a Brahmos missile in DCS and can you test it against the chinese carrier?
Not in game yet.
bonds friendship and love.... with a 1000lb bomb :)
Which you tuber has shut down?
MVP although I think he said he's come back now :)
I cant remember the video but there was one where you and your sidekick were hit and lost an engine and you went looking for the APU... YOu dont need the APU..Here I made a video You get a mention in the comments section.
ruclips.net/video/fn-5mEWfass/видео.html
Soooo, you know classified information about patriot systems? Oh nooo.... Car crash when? XD
Regarding simultaneous engagements... Let's just say... A lot.
If you wish to saturate this system, I wish you good luck.
Doesn't the US have a sam just like this, I think it is called rathion
The US is one of the users of nasams. Raytheon suplies both the missile and radar, Senop currently suplies the command module, and Kongsberg does system integration as the primary contractor. (Raytheon is a rockets-r-us defence giant that makes all kinds of rockets not just for sams)
And also other miltech stuff, like the radars in this case.
So who left dcs on yt?
Israeli Iron dome have fox missile and SM-6 Standard Missile it's also an Fox-3 missile
Why do pops allow their feelings to be affected by commenters escapes me. Who freaking cares what rolls have to say? Of course I don’t have a single social media account so I don’t know how bad it goes in non-censored platforms. Just RUclips
How about another time machine scenario? I was thinking of a modern US Air Wing that includes some F22's and F35's vs the Japanese Imperial Navy force that attacked Pearl Harbor? Mission is to prevent the attack and destroy the enemy at all cost.
rgr
I've never heard a more bored sounding sponsor message. Cap charge them to do the voiceover yourself and watch their sales fly lol
lol :)
gg
"...One of the biggest youtube users out there has just shut down in DCS..." oh darn, that sucks, I wonder who it was.
/clicks over to GS channel after watching this video/
WhaaAAAAATF!!??!!!... EDIT: not GS, GS channel is back up!+1
wtf happened?? =(((((
i hope this isnt because of this childish GR / GS thing abaut the raptor...
MVP statement in his Discord
Twitcher I mean, not youtuber.
@@grimreapers ah phew! Looks like GS came back online. very relieved!
i think its kinda lame spoiling the adventure of how to defeat the sams from the users experience.
why dose this guy talks soooo much , it's soooo much annoying