@Grim Reapers I saw an interesting question today and thought I would ask you guys. How would an Embraer Super Tuscano do against World War 2 fighters? I think it’s too light to do well against WW2 fighters but would probably be better in climb and turns while WW2 would do better in a dive. Just wondering.
@@grimreapers I'd love to see a variety of Warbirds VS OV-10 Bronco, Pucara, Super Tucano, MB-339 Aermacchi, SU-25 Frogfoot, and* A-10 Thunderbolt II👍
@@Para-Phrase CH is not only creating assets as an amazing pace, but Cap has been creating content and steering the direction of the content, which a substantial segment of the DCS community wishes to see, for numerous years now. As a professional businessperson/accountant and past entrepreneur, adding both CH and Cap to the ED staff as independent contractors is a no-brainer. Particularly as CH can provide services in a variety of areas and ED could hypothetically supply him with assistance from their internal team working on the statistics and characteristics of assets within DCS (such as engineering variables) while CH has proven he can take those engineering values and convert them into fully functioning DCS assets from infantry weapons, to vehicles, missiles, radars, and entire ships. Meanwhile, Cap is capable of fulfilling numerous roles, from something of a campaign designer, war-game developer, community manager/liaison, Q&A or tutorial-based video producer, marketing content creator (such as filming events with DCS for marketing purposes), quality control and evaluation (including stress testing specific aspects of DCS), assisting in development of various aspects of the AI, and the list just keeps going... Such a relationship would also allow Cap to maintain his position as leader of GR, and adding an official position with ED would just add to a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship. Truly a lost opportunity as each day passes.
CH, Your modern mods are the best and should be core in game, but could you create a proper, functioning WW2 mobile V-2 rocket launch system. THAT would be outstanding and well within your skill-set.
@@totalnerd5674 that's why he said different eras. It is a (by modern standards presumably not very good) ballistic missile. But it would win the style race as a mod easily.
The crazy bit is public data is likely good enough for military planning purposes. The NASAMS 3 with the data link connected to an AWACS would be a killer combination.
Makes me wonder if they'll even make a surface launched version of the Meteor AAM, or the AIM-260. The building is full of the rarest commodity on the battlefield....clean socks!!! Could you imagine a GAU-8/A mated to a CWIS radar network?
As Stu Bur said, Goalkeeper is basicly a naval GAU-8 CWIS. Germany doesn't Plan on Groundlaunched Meteors. We are developing a long Range IRIS-T Version
The Navy's Standards missile almost always had secondary Anti-Ship capability. Edit: And I'll point out that the Standard was also adapted into an Air-Launched Anti-Radiation Missile back in the day.
A full NASAMS battalion would consist of plural FDCs, plural radars, and far more launchers as well. Part of the concept is to offset the relatively moderate effective range by having a more distributed and unpredictable deployment. As for simultaneous engagements... Lets just say 4 is not exactly much of a challenge. You can easily add another digit to that.
The American defense committee hearings tell us a lot. The US Aegis land systems are being worked for hypersonics but I believe they have mentioned the capability to intercept hypersonic missiles from Aegis equipped ships within the terminal phase and are upgrading space based sensors for tracking to get a lock at longer distances. So, yes, I believe the Americans already can intercept hypersonics. This is all public record so I wonder what they speak of in closed door meetings.
Surprised you didn't try saturation attacks by adding more incoming missiles until they got through. I'd also like to see how all 4 systems combined would do (very well I think)
Exactly, model the C-RAM with a 20 and a 30 mile radar system. Also rotate the C-RAM trucks so one is facing North, South, East and West which would give at least one platform a fighting chance against a hypersonic. Also model C-RAM with an AWACS radar feed link.
To address the question at approximately 24:29, AMRAAM-AXE (Air-launched eXtended Envelope) is a Raytheon proposal for an air-launched version of AMRAAM-ER. Beyond said proposal, however, I have no knowledge regarding what level of interest, if any, has been expressed by potential customers in response or to what extent, if any, Raytheon has invested in development of the AXE concept.
The UK system using Giraffe radar is Sky Sabre (land version of Sea Ceptor CAMM as fitted to Type 23 frigate). Hopefully CH will get round to modelling this too soon please 😊
@@Rednax42 CH now working on the Type 26 frigate. GR said this in a video lately. In the video vs the Aliens, not the first battle but the revenge battle if Iam not mistaken.
Why are the UK and the Nato alliance in general so slow in developing Hypersonic missiles? We've known about them for decades and Russia and China seem to produce newer faster versions almost every year. The UK has a good reputation in R&D and finally, our government remembered that we are an island with a famous navy past and commissioned the 2 new Carriers in 2007. You'd think the present one, in power for 13 years, would have set about designing missiles/systems to protect against them and offensive Hypersonics to threaten their capital ships and fleets back. The Carriers cost us £7.6 billion and now a third is being seriously proposed (The Princess Diana, unfortunately - what happened to the great names we had Ark Royal and Invincible etc?) it would be a disaster if in their first serious engagement, one of them was sunk. I'm not as up-to-date or as knowledgeable as a lot of you on this site and I'd be grateful for an answer, thanks.
the only way i can see something like CIWS stopping a hypersonic is if was networked in to a larger system that could start a track from further out and then be smart enough to tell the guns where to fire well before the missiles gets into their range, so the rounds are already filling the space the missile would fly through.
I mean, thats literally what every single air to air engagement is already? Everything is moving, you never fire where your target is, but where you expect it to be. In some ways hitting hypersonic can be easier since they effectively have almost zero actual ability to maneuver. Not that this Russian Junk is actually anything new or exciting. It's all hype, 90s tech being claimed as cutting edge by a bunch of russian liars.
Thank you CH. I like to think you're the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version of me who knows how to code and build in-game assets. I'm simply the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version who sends Cap the links with SM-6 missiles on the Hornets because I lack the ability to make neat things for DCS. There more of you (with particular emphasis on you) and me that are out there, the better GR is, and hopefully, the better/easier Cap's job ultimately is. : )
@Grim Reapers - Yes, I would say the NASAMS v3 would be just as accurate if not more in real life. Raytheon has been incorporating everything it knows about intercepting hypersonic missiles into its updated missiles and radar system platforms. NASAMS v3 had a lot of work and improvement done to its new radar system (i.e., the GhostEye MR) as well.
Yeah the reason in real life they are optimally placed behind the target they are protecting is their radars cant see straight up, with a ballistic missile like this its coming down practically on top of them however by placing the batteries further back they have the radar angle to see a ballistic missile trajectory on the target they are protecting.
IRIS-T can shoot down AAM as well as ASM or SSM.. The norwegian air force also used a IRIS-T to attack a fast attack craft. Uses compressed gas to eject it from the launcher meaning an increased range.
It does add a new wrinkle when you can counter enemy AAM with your own as if you outnumber the enemy so can you win without losses, even against supposedly superior 5th gen planes.
Japan and US had tested the Aim 9x to target small vessels (fast attack boats)and vehicles like jeeps etc the missile could see and track but the explosives werent enough so they stopped testing it in that role I expect irist to have the same problem
@@commandergeokam2868 UK uses the Martlet as a multi use weapon. Navy uses it in the SS, AS & AA role. Intended to take out small speed boat type craft. Its cheaper to use than a sea venom for that role. Can also be mounted to drones.
I am guessing the key point in faster closing rate intercepts is the fuse detection and detonation time in milliseconds. How far can the 2 missiles close to each other and start to pull away from each other before the sequence of detonation is successful. A very closely guarded secret I am sure. Reminds me of the WW2 breakthrough in the VT fuse.
Cap, I hate to do this to CH but his C-RAM is missing the Cameras that are mounted on the left hand side of the White Radome on the Phalanx Module. CH has the Phalanx in its Block 1 or Block 1A configuration. Block 1B specifically added the E/O and FLIR cameras for additional tracking as well as Surface attack capability (Namely to murder Iranian mass boat attacks) Phalanx costs 5.6 Million Dollars each
@@brilobox2 that would not stop the one's that are in the field though. Send stealth aircraft armed with stealth missiles to take out the launchers and then the factories.
Also. Still waiting to see long range chinese rocket artillery like the PCL191 and chinese TBMs like the DF series. Oh and as for a future video, since you've got some modern ballistic missile defenses now, maybe its time to do interceptions against nuclear ICBM warhead?
22:27 These masts are most likely data-link antennas for "communication" between the launcher and the missile... For flight corrections. Well, another question in real life would be: do all of these missiles have a warhead powerful enough to take out the ballistic hypersonic missile? Especially the IRIS...
22:31: The masts on the NASAMS launchers is the missile uplink. Contrary to what some of you have claimed, AMRAAMs fired from NASAMS obviously do not go pitbull off the rail - that would be a pretty crappy capability. Like CH says, NASAMS is link-16 capable, as well as several other TDLs, but this antenna has nothing to do with that. And yes, of course it can hook up to an AWACS. Or any other CRC of your preference. As for PK against sub-sonic CMs.... ask the Ukrainians :P
@@DurpThought Feel free to think what you will. And shouting is really unnecessary. Keep in mind that the radar in question was never designed as a track and search radar at all, and far less to talk to AMRAAM or any other missiles
@@DurpThought no idea what you are talking about the RL542A for. No relevance. Also, we are talking about stuff that have been operational and working flawlessly since the 90ies, not something currently on the drawing board
@@Utubesuperstar I'm not sure about that, the ESSM is geared more towards high speed threats like other missiles, which is less likely to happen in Washington DC than a slower moving tube of metal. I know that NASAMS is the outer layer and they have Avenger systems in close. However don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you are wrong I just don't have knowledge of that. And it's very likely I wasn't ever told all the things that can pop out of the top of buildings all around Pennsylvania Avenue. But if you find I'm wrong please come back and let me know, I always am looking to learn.
@@KeyboardWarrior101st yeah it’s definitely a layered system but essms are just overall an exceptional missile in a small package the nasam 3 pretty much has a modified essm after all so we may be thinking of the same exact system
@@Utubesuperstar I really don't want to come off any kind of way so please don't think I'm being rude but the ESSM is based off Sea Sparrow missiles and NASAMS are based off of AIM-120 C, D, or whatever letter their on now lol, which is a larger missile than the Sea Sparrow. But once again I wouldn't doubt if they have both so that's why I'm not saying you are wrong. It's just my personal knowledge is limited to NASAMS and the Avengers, which uses a type of Stinger missile. But it would make very good sense to have the ones you are talking about as well for threats that don't call for a jet killing missile. Hell at this point they probably are using directed energy weapons like Star Wars or something. I really enjoy grown up conversations on here because most just run their yappers so for that I thank you. Take care.
@@KeyboardWarrior101st Agreed it is nice to have a civilized conversation. So per my research the NASAM 2 is using the 120 B and C the NASAM 3 uses the AMRAAM ER which and I quote "The missile is an Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile using AMRAAM head with two-stage guidance system." The ESSM is a brilliant weapon for this purpose because not only does it have exceptional performance but also it is small hence ships quad packing them in cells that only one SM2 or 3 or 6 can fit in. The ESSM is not just a missile interceptor it is also used for taking out aircraft and it is damned good at both.
C-RAM is just as effective as Phalanx - it's the coolest looking and sounding weapon on the planet - it hits f.all then runs out of ammo - just like it's sea-based cousin. But looks like the coolest kid on the block doing it.
Cool video but can you please test the Sky Sabre too next time!? Its more modern (2022) than all of the ones in the video and designed for this type of role. Is that you just dont have it in the game yet or something?
Add Rheinmetals Oerlikon Skyranger® Gun and system in there. The gun is insane. It has the rifled tungsten kenetic projectiles that are programmed as they leave the bore where they kenetic projectiles will be released based on time of flight
Why would you test a ballistic missile system against US/Euro defenses without using the Patriot who's main mission is anti ballistic missile defense? I would love a version of this video that had a realistic multilayered air defense network.
quick question, what is the name of the directory in which the mods have to be installed? the redme only says that it has to be stored under savedgames.
Is there any verified data that shows Russian or Chinese hypersonic missiles do, indeed, maneuver during the descent? I know it is claimed. Is there any verification that they have accomplished this while maintaining accuracy? Can you point me to a reputable source that verifies this?
Theres no reputable source for any of china or russia’s claims, but there *are* a shit load of verified Iskander and ‘Kinzahl’ misses. Lotta craters in fields.
recent pentagon leaks showed chinese firing some kind of non-ballistic hypersonic weapon in February that travelled 1300 miles in 12 minutes. So either this is a chinese hypersonic missile, or is a chinese hypersonic spy plane.
They absolutely can, missiles much older than those have been able to do terminal maneuvers. The Pershing MARV did that for example. Missiles of that class require terminal maneuvering if they want to guide themselves to a target. (Pull up maneuver to eliminate plasma sheathe). The question is how much can they maneuver, which is not much. It’s just simple physics. If they make a change in bearing they will need to make an equivalent course correction later, and they are going at Mach 5-10. Maneuvering of HGVs or other hypersonic vehicles doesn’t come in the form of fancy aerobatics on terminal approach like other missiles, it’s them changing their midcourse flight paths by hundreds of miles to fly through gaps in AA bubbles, previously something only cruise missiles could do. That’s why in any hypersonic weapon simulation you will see on the internet, it always shows it doing that. That’s what makes them special.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Thanks. Where is the reputable source that confirms verifiable evidence that RUSSIAN and CHINESE hypersonic missiles are able to maneuver to avoid defenses and maintain their accuracy? My doubt is in the veracity of Russian and Chinese claims of capability. Various examples exist that after Russian vehicles and aircraft are commandeered that their capabilities do not reflect the claims they had made for them.
New WW2 campaign idea for GR: Operation "Turn the Tide" It's December, 1944, Germany launches the desperate "Ardennes Offensive" to capture the Belgian Port of Antwerp, split the Western Allied forces with the possibly of encircling and destroying several Allied armies. Lastly, the Germans hope to force Western Allies into a Peace Treaty "Nuts!" Lead elements of Patton's Third Army are in route to support the weary soldiers defending Bastogne. Both Generals Model and Rundstedt considered the use of Patton's Third Army during the initial planning stages of the Ardennes Offensive with obvious knowledge that the poor weather conditions wouldn't last long. They had hope that current 1,000 Luftwaffe pilots and aircraft allocated to the Ardennes Offensive would provide the necessary air support. However, they also had an ace in the hole. Unbeknownst to Allies, in early 1943, the Germans secretly began a very involved training program of new Luftwaffe pilots along with heavy, underground production of their new, most advanced aircraft. These new pilots would come from many different regions, neither sex nor race mattered. Anyone between the ages of 15 and 60 that could meet the physical requirements would be included. It was hoped that this large, powerful group of new Luftwaffe pilots and aircraft could tip the balance in the German's favor. Once the German commanders get word that Patton's Third Army is on the move, they launch Operation "Turn the Tide". The plan is two fold. First, use the new, highly trained Luftwaffe pilots to provide CAS for the troops fighting around the Bastogne area. Second, destroy as much of Patton's Third Army along with any Allied aircraft. With Patton's Third Army heavily damage, the Germans might get the Western Allies to negotiate peace. With a peace treaty in the Western Theater, the Germans can then return their focus to defending against Russians in the Eastern Theater using the resources from the Western Theater along with the new pilots and aircraft. The Western Allies concerned over Russia's growing military and political power, immediately stop supporting the Eastern Theater causing the Russian front to slowly collapse. Eventually the Russians are forced to negotiate peace and sign a treaty favoring the Germans and causing countries such Poland to be split between Russians and Germans.
Wikipedia stats on range can be taken with a pinch of salt - ASRAAM (and METEOR) are massively underrated. ASRAAM has already been witnessed taking out targets at over 30Ks WHEN GROUND LAUNCHED! (a massive disadvantage) - You can only imagine its effective range air-launched - actually better than some AMRAAM variants. ASRAMM is actually a BVR weapon. not that the public stats support that statement - Wikipedia puts its range at a pitiful 25Ks.
@Grim Reapers I saw an interesting question today and thought I would ask you guys. How would an Embraer Super Tuscano do against World War 2 fighters? I think it’s too light to do well against WW2 fighters but would probably be better in climb and turns while WW2 would do better in a dive. Just wondering.
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@@grimreapers I'd love to see a variety of Warbirds VS OV-10 Bronco, Pucara, Super Tucano, MB-339 Aermacchi, SU-25 Frogfoot, and* A-10 Thunderbolt II👍
CH is almost creating assets faster than GR can review them; keep up the pace! Great content, wonderful addition to the ecosystem.
CH is creating assets faster than the entire DCS development team.
At this point ED should hire him or contract him
Heck yeah. CH is doing incredible work. We owe CH a big vote of thanks.
This is literally true. With GR baby now online, struggling to keep up with CH.
@@Para-Phrase CH is not only creating assets as an amazing pace, but Cap has been creating content and steering the direction of the content, which a substantial segment of the DCS community wishes to see, for numerous years now.
As a professional businessperson/accountant and past entrepreneur, adding both CH and Cap to the ED staff as independent contractors is a no-brainer. Particularly as CH can provide services in a variety of areas and ED could hypothetically supply him with assistance from their internal team working on the statistics and characteristics of assets within DCS (such as engineering variables) while CH has proven he can take those engineering values and convert them into fully functioning DCS assets from infantry weapons, to vehicles, missiles, radars, and entire ships.
Meanwhile, Cap is capable of fulfilling numerous roles, from something of a campaign designer, war-game developer, community manager/liaison, Q&A or tutorial-based video producer, marketing content creator (such as filming events with DCS for marketing purposes), quality control and evaluation (including stress testing specific aspects of DCS), assisting in development of various aspects of the AI, and the list just keeps going...
Such a relationship would also allow Cap to maintain his position as leader of GR, and adding an official position with ED would just add to a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship. Truly a lost opportunity as each day passes.
CH, Your modern mods are the best and should be core in game, but could you create a proper, functioning WW2 mobile V-2 rocket launch system. THAT would be outstanding and well within your skill-set.
@Aquatic Ape You don't...
(Well not with WWII systems I mean)
@@totalnerd5674 😂
Good idea!
@@totalnerd5674 that's why he said different eras. It is a (by modern standards presumably not very good) ballistic missile. But it would win the style race as a mod easily.
remember when this JUST happened for the first time irl with a PAC3? I do...
CH is an absolute GOD at coming out with these systems. This is all I could ever ask for and more. Really appreciate all the work he has done!!
The crazy bit is public data is likely good enough for military planning purposes. The NASAMS 3 with the data link connected to an AWACS would be a killer combination.
Makes me wonder if they'll even make a surface launched version of the Meteor AAM, or the AIM-260. The building is full of the rarest commodity on the battlefield....clean socks!!!
Could you imagine a GAU-8/A mated to a CWIS radar network?
Goalkeeper
As Stu Bur said, Goalkeeper is basicly a naval GAU-8 CWIS.
Germany doesn't Plan on Groundlaunched Meteors. We are developing a long Range IRIS-T Version
The Navy's Standards missile almost always had secondary Anti-Ship capability.
Edit: And I'll point out that the Standard was also adapted into an Air-Launched Anti-Radiation Missile back in the day.
A full NASAMS battalion would consist of plural FDCs, plural radars, and far more launchers as well. Part of the concept is to offset the relatively moderate effective range by having a more distributed and unpredictable deployment.
As for simultaneous engagements... Lets just say 4 is not exactly much of a challenge. You can easily add another digit to that.
The American defense committee hearings tell us a lot. The US Aegis land systems are being worked for hypersonics but I believe they have mentioned the capability to intercept hypersonic missiles from Aegis equipped ships within the terminal phase and are upgrading space based sensors for tracking to get a lock at longer distances. So, yes, I believe the Americans already can intercept hypersonics. This is all public record so I wonder what they speak of in closed door meetings.
SM-3 could intercept hypersonics already. The thing they most needed was better detection and that was available years ago.
Surprised you didn't try saturation attacks by adding more incoming missiles until they got through.
I'd also like to see how all 4 systems combined would do (very well I think)
I'd be curious to see what would happen if we hooked C-RAMs up to a feed from a better radar system to give them a chance to shoot.
Exactly, model the C-RAM with a 20 and a 30 mile radar system. Also rotate the C-RAM trucks so one is facing North, South, East and West which would give at least one platform a fighting chance against a hypersonic. Also model C-RAM with an AWACS radar feed link.
I have my CWIS rounds left over from my time on the ship. Huge rounds.
To address the question at approximately 24:29, AMRAAM-AXE (Air-launched eXtended Envelope) is a Raytheon proposal for an air-launched version of AMRAAM-ER. Beyond said proposal, however, I have no knowledge regarding what level of interest, if any, has been expressed by potential customers in response or to what extent, if any, Raytheon has invested in development of the AXE concept.
Shame, I think it would be awesome.
The UK system using Giraffe radar is Sky Sabre (land version of Sea Ceptor CAMM as fitted to Type 23 frigate). Hopefully CH will get round to modelling this too soon please 😊
Talking of Type 23 frigate, I haven't seen it in any GR videos. I guess Cap prefers the bigger and sexier Type 45s
@@Rednax42 CH now working on the Type 26 frigate. GR said this in a video lately. In the video vs the Aliens, not the first battle but the revenge battle if Iam not mistaken.
Why are the UK and the Nato alliance in general so slow in developing Hypersonic missiles? We've known about them for decades and Russia and China seem to produce newer faster versions almost every year. The UK has a good reputation in R&D and finally, our government remembered that we are an island with a famous navy past and commissioned the 2 new Carriers in 2007. You'd think the present one, in power for 13 years, would have set about designing missiles/systems to protect against them and offensive Hypersonics to threaten their capital ships and fleets back. The Carriers cost us £7.6 billion and now a third is being seriously proposed (The Princess Diana, unfortunately - what happened to the great names we had Ark Royal and Invincible etc?) it would be a disaster if in their first serious engagement, one of them was sunk. I'm not as up-to-date or as knowledgeable as a lot of you on this site and I'd be grateful for an answer, thanks.
@@chrisparnham You believe to the Chinese and the Russian propaganda? Who know it is real or not… We never know.
Very cool! Thanks CH!
Raytheon Did propose a air launched version of the AMRAAM-ER called the AMRAAM-AXE or air launched extended envelope.
It's extremely hard to find anything about the AXE variant, have you come across anything reliable?
Make it plz uncle Sam.
the only way i can see something like CIWS stopping a hypersonic is if was networked in to a larger system that could start a track from further out and then be smart enough to tell the guns where to fire well before the missiles gets into their range, so the rounds are already filling the space the missile would fly through.
I mean, thats literally what every single air to air engagement is already? Everything is moving, you never fire where your target is, but where you expect it to be. In some ways hitting hypersonic can be easier since they effectively have almost zero actual ability to maneuver.
Not that this Russian Junk is actually anything new or exciting. It's all hype, 90s tech being claimed as cutting edge by a bunch of russian liars.
Thank you CH.
I like to think you're the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version of me who knows how to code and build in-game assets. I'm simply the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version who sends Cap the links with SM-6 missiles on the Hornets because I lack the ability to make neat things for DCS. There more of you (with particular emphasis on you) and me that are out there, the better GR is, and hopefully, the better/easier Cap's job ultimately is.
: )
I just wish we had more time. CH could make so many wonderful things.
I actually mentioned trying C-RAM on another video, good to see it here
@Grim Reapers - Yes, I would say the NASAMS v3 would be just as accurate if not more in real life. Raytheon has been incorporating everything it knows about intercepting hypersonic missiles into its updated missiles and radar system platforms. NASAMS v3 had a lot of work and improvement done to its new radar system (i.e., the GhostEye MR) as well.
CH needs to do a mod of the GR Headquarters building to use as a target for these tests!
agreed
The NASAMS data link antenna is for launcher- Missile data link. The Missile receives target updates by it from the FDC.
We need to get some more British systems in this game, there is a huge lack
Yeah the reason in real life they are optimally placed behind the target they are protecting is their radars cant see straight up, with a ballistic missile like this its coming down practically on top of them however by placing the batteries further back they have the radar angle to see a ballistic missile trajectory on the target they are protecting.
Great Video!
Could you compare Iris T SLS and SLM in a future video?
rgr
@@grimreapers could you do more videos like this I really enjoyed this
13:07 (CAP) "I really want one in my garden now. I'm gonna have to convince my wife, they can't be that expensive."
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
Crowd fund a C-RAM?
@@grimreapers
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CWIS, better known as R2D2 with a smoking hardon!!!
oof
C-Ram would make a heck of an anti-personnel weapon .
Army should use it as an IFV?
That Moment at 25:09 where the AMRAAM got closer i can imagine the Sound of an Cloaker of Payday 2
Great episode with CH and GR. Both in God mode so everyone can see all the action! Keep it up!
Just so you know, its not ISH-kander. It's IS-kander.
IRIS-T can shoot down AAM as well as ASM or SSM.. The norwegian air force also used a IRIS-T to attack a fast attack craft. Uses compressed gas to eject it from the launcher meaning an increased range.
It does add a new wrinkle when you can counter enemy AAM with your own as if you outnumber the enemy so can you win without losses, even against supposedly superior 5th gen planes.
Japan and US had tested the Aim 9x to target small vessels (fast attack boats)and vehicles like jeeps etc the missile could see and track but the explosives werent enough so they stopped testing it in that role
I expect irist to have the same problem
@@commandergeokam2868 UK uses the Martlet as a multi use weapon. Navy uses it in the SS, AS & AA role. Intended to take out small speed boat type craft. Its cheaper to use than a sea venom for that role. Can also be mounted to drones.
@@MTBScotland nice actually didn't knew that i will search more for this missiles
That is a detailed tire lol!
I believe the chinese have a 30mm 11 barrel version of the CRAM called the LD3000
Thats SICK !!
Really loving this series on the new assets. Great mods by CH & great job on the videos by Cap!
Would like to see the NASAM's work with AWACs to see if there's any difference
I am guessing the key point in faster closing rate intercepts is the fuse detection and detonation time in milliseconds. How far can the 2 missiles close to each other and start to pull away from each other before the sequence of detonation is successful. A very closely guarded secret I am sure. Reminds me of the WW2 breakthrough in the VT fuse.
Has anyone else noticed how much the Russian hypersonic missile looks like a V2?
Agree
Hell yeah CH C-Ram! Btw NASAMS 3 very impressive!👍👍
Lol now It'd* be freakin amazing if you could create German Rheinmetal Skynex and Irish Thor!🙏
More Boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, boom, boom!
Cap, I hate to do this to CH but his C-RAM is missing the Cameras that are mounted on the left hand side of the White Radome on the Phalanx Module. CH has the Phalanx in its Block 1 or Block 1A configuration. Block 1B specifically added the E/O and FLIR cameras for additional tracking as well as Surface attack capability (Namely to murder Iranian mass boat attacks) Phalanx costs 5.6 Million Dollars each
Awesome!
Ideally, one needs to kill the Iskander launcher before it launches.
That would mean launching a strike against it as soon as it is found.
Even better, drop a dozen low observable cruise missiles on the factory.
@@brilobox2 that would not stop the one's that are in the field though.
Send stealth aircraft armed with stealth missiles to take out the launchers and then the factories.
Also. Still waiting to see long range chinese rocket artillery like the PCL191 and chinese TBMs like the DF series.
Oh and as for a future video, since you've got some modern ballistic missile defenses now, maybe its time to do interceptions against nuclear ICBM warhead?
Mach 5 is slightly over 1 mile/sec so would take just under 10 seconds to cover 10 miles.
We love CH.
Short answer..NO Long answer: HELL NO
C-RAM, the zipper ripper. Love it.
Dang! Got a hypersonic!
NASAM 3; 'More like ishCANTduh...'
oof
Well done CH
When are you guys going to bring the thaad air defense please 🥺
People acting like ballistic missiles and ‘muh hypersonics’ invalidate AD is so tiresome. THAAD, SM-6, SM-3, PAC-3, AMRAAM, and on and on.
Yup working on it.
@@grimreapers Awesome! Did CH accept your recommendation for making a mod for Raytheon's ADM-160 MALD?
Could U.S defend, Incoming "Russian zircon-anti-hair-ships hypersonic missile?"
The mast is not Link-16, it's data link to AMRAAM when it's fired.
22:27 These masts are most likely data-link antennas for "communication" between the launcher and the missile... For flight corrections.
Well, another question in real life would be: do all of these missiles have a warhead powerful enough to take out the ballistic hypersonic missile? Especially the IRIS...
That was entertains guys. 🇨🇦 Vet
22:31: The masts on the NASAMS launchers is the missile uplink. Contrary to what some of you have claimed, AMRAAMs fired from NASAMS obviously do not go pitbull off the rail - that would be a pretty crappy capability.
Like CH says, NASAMS is link-16 capable, as well as several other TDLs, but this antenna has nothing to do with that. And yes, of course it can hook up to an AWACS. Or any other CRC of your preference.
As for PK against sub-sonic CMs.... ask the Ukrainians :P
@@DurpThought Feel free to think what you will. And shouting is really unnecessary.
Keep in mind that the radar in question was never designed as a track and search radar at all, and far less to talk to AMRAAM or any other missiles
@@DurpThought no idea what you are talking about the RL542A for. No relevance.
Also, we are talking about stuff that have been operational and working flawlessly since the 90ies, not something currently on the drawing board
@@DurpThought Thanks for educating me.
How many years have YOU been working on this particular system?
This is fantastic thank you for sharing.
IRIS-T SLM versions (Medium Range) would be intresting. (Ukraine got two from Germany). SLS is the short range older version.
unless I'm mistaken, didn't CH say that these could be linked to AWACS? if so.... I'd like to see that!
Sadly we do not have that tech in game yet.
@@grimreapers bollox
Thank you for video! Very interesting. I have a question, you have mod for dcs world tos 1a solntsepek, or buratino, or tosochka?
I don't think so.
Hope you're doing well with the little one Cap!!!!
Yeh but exhausted. Just wanna sleep.
CH. You're great! could you make Skynex AA from Rheinmetall? :)
Can we ask for the German MANTIS Air Defence System and the Israeli's Iron Dome for the C-RAM?
Standard taktik against TBM's (ballistic missiles) always fire two interseptors
Well IRIS certainly can. But it isn't in Service since 1998. Its in Service since 2019 as the SLS Version and 2022 as SLM.
Did CH update the Iskander with the 6 decoys in the meantime ?
Fun fact that maybe people don't know, a version of NASAMS is what they installed around the White House after 9/11.
I was under the impression they had the same dual quad essms like aircraft carriers
@@Utubesuperstar I'm not sure about that, the ESSM is geared more towards high speed threats like other missiles, which is less likely to happen in Washington DC than a slower moving tube of metal. I know that NASAMS is the outer layer and they have Avenger systems in close. However don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you are wrong I just don't have knowledge of that. And it's very likely I wasn't ever told all the things that can pop out of the top of buildings all around Pennsylvania Avenue. But if you find I'm wrong please come back and let me know, I always am looking to learn.
@@KeyboardWarrior101st yeah it’s definitely a layered system but essms are just overall an exceptional missile in a small package the nasam 3 pretty much has a modified essm after all so we may be thinking of the same exact system
@@Utubesuperstar I really don't want to come off any kind of way so please don't think I'm being rude but the ESSM is based off Sea Sparrow missiles and NASAMS are based off of AIM-120 C, D, or whatever letter their on now lol, which is a larger missile than the Sea Sparrow. But once again I wouldn't doubt if they have both so that's why I'm not saying you are wrong. It's just my personal knowledge is limited to NASAMS and the Avengers, which uses a type of Stinger missile. But it would make very good sense to have the ones you are talking about as well for threats that don't call for a jet killing missile. Hell at this point they probably are using directed energy weapons like Star Wars or something. I really enjoy grown up conversations on here because most just run their yappers so for that I thank you. Take care.
@@KeyboardWarrior101st Agreed it is nice to have a civilized conversation. So per my research the NASAM 2 is using the 120 B and C the NASAM 3 uses the AMRAAM ER which and I quote "The missile is an Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile using AMRAAM head with two-stage guidance system." The ESSM is a brilliant weapon for this purpose because not only does it have exceptional performance but also it is small hence ships quad packing them in cells that only one SM2 or 3 or 6 can fit in. The ESSM is not just a missile interceptor it is also used for taking out aircraft and it is damned good at both.
The one thing that makes the greatest military power in the world is Frequency.
Isn't a rim-162 booster with amraam seeker just a rim162 block 2? Does the block 2 use a different seeker?
No idea TBH.
Awesome video !
C-RAM is just as effective as Phalanx - it's the coolest looking and sounding weapon on the planet - it hits f.all then runs out of ammo - just like it's sea-based cousin. But looks like the coolest kid on the block doing it.
CH don't let Cap play with the toys unsupervised!!!
For all these systems aren't they integrated with other radars in net so they can prepare?
Cool video but can you please test the Sky Sabre too next time!? Its more modern (2022) than all of the ones in the video and designed for this type of role. Is that you just dont have it in the game yet or something?
It's on the list.
@Grim Reapers Sounds good, appreciate it. 👍
When the Type 26 Frigate will be ready in the game @Grim Reapers?
Finally someone answers a question we all want to know !!!!
Do we know when (official) C-RAM is coming to DCS?
Must be soon?
cap can you try with kinzhal missiles ?
it's not iSHkander, it's iSkander, like naSamS.
the iskander rocket not flying straight and maneuver on all steps of flight - see Waldemar Skrzypczak
There is no "sh" in "Iskander" :)
Add Rheinmetals Oerlikon Skyranger® Gun and system in there. The gun is insane. It has the rifled tungsten kenetic projectiles that are programmed as they leave the bore where they kenetic projectiles will be released based on time of flight
Why would you test a ballistic missile system against US/Euro defenses without using the Patriot who's main mission is anti ballistic missile defense? I would love a version of this video that had a realistic multilayered air defense network.
quick question, what is the name of the directory in which the mods have to be installed? the redme only says that it has to be stored under savedgames.
It would be 10 miles in around 7.9 seconds moving at mach 6 at sea level.
I want to see you and the boys try to bomb a target in the middle of all of it
SAMP/T ? ?
Have you tried the Barak 8 LR-SAM or MR-SAM?
Where's the Samp T 😭
S300 test didn't had that wide open field TBH.
Cap. The SM-2 Standard was the ARM for the F-4G model.
Is there any verified data that shows Russian or Chinese hypersonic missiles do, indeed, maneuver during the descent? I know it is claimed. Is there any verification that they have accomplished this while maintaining accuracy? Can you point me to a reputable source that verifies this?
Theres no reputable source for any of china or russia’s claims, but there *are* a shit load of verified Iskander and ‘Kinzahl’ misses. Lotta craters in fields.
No hard data that I am aware of. They may not even work at all in real life??
recent pentagon leaks showed chinese firing some kind of non-ballistic hypersonic weapon in February that travelled 1300 miles in 12 minutes.
So either this is a chinese hypersonic missile, or is a chinese hypersonic spy plane.
They absolutely can, missiles much older than those have been able to do terminal maneuvers. The Pershing MARV did that for example. Missiles of that class require terminal maneuvering if they want to guide themselves to a target. (Pull up maneuver to eliminate plasma sheathe).
The question is how much can they maneuver, which is not much. It’s just simple physics. If they make a change in bearing they will need to make an equivalent course correction later, and they are going at Mach 5-10. Maneuvering of HGVs or other hypersonic vehicles doesn’t come in the form of fancy aerobatics on terminal approach like other missiles, it’s them changing their midcourse flight paths by hundreds of miles to fly through gaps in AA bubbles, previously something only cruise missiles could do. That’s why in any hypersonic weapon simulation you will see on the internet, it always shows it doing that. That’s what makes them special.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Thanks. Where is the reputable source that confirms verifiable evidence that RUSSIAN and CHINESE hypersonic missiles are able to maneuver to avoid defenses and maintain their accuracy? My doubt is in the veracity of Russian and Chinese claims of capability. Various examples exist that after Russian vehicles and aircraft are commandeered that their capabilities do not reflect the claims they had made for them.
Can you test it against ww2 era Flak guns
but only if you have about 1000 of them and they fire continuously in the general direction of the missile
New WW2 campaign idea for GR:
Operation "Turn the Tide"
It's December, 1944, Germany launches the desperate "Ardennes Offensive" to capture the Belgian Port of Antwerp, split the Western Allied forces with the possibly of encircling and destroying several Allied armies. Lastly, the Germans hope to force Western Allies into a Peace Treaty
"Nuts!"
Lead elements of Patton's Third Army are in route to support the weary soldiers defending Bastogne.
Both Generals Model and Rundstedt considered the use of Patton's Third Army during the initial planning stages of the Ardennes Offensive with obvious knowledge that the poor weather conditions wouldn't last long. They had hope that current 1,000 Luftwaffe pilots and aircraft allocated to the Ardennes Offensive would provide the necessary air support. However, they also had an ace in the hole.
Unbeknownst to Allies, in early 1943, the Germans secretly began a very involved training program of new Luftwaffe pilots along with heavy, underground production of their new, most advanced aircraft. These new pilots would come from many different regions, neither sex nor race mattered. Anyone between the ages of 15 and 60 that could meet the physical requirements would be included. It was hoped that this large, powerful group of new Luftwaffe pilots and aircraft could tip the balance in the German's favor.
Once the German commanders get word that Patton's Third Army is on the move, they launch Operation "Turn the Tide".
The plan is two fold. First, use the new, highly trained Luftwaffe pilots to provide CAS for the troops fighting around the Bastogne area. Second, destroy as much of Patton's Third Army along with any Allied aircraft. With Patton's Third Army heavily damage, the Germans might get the Western Allies to negotiate peace.
With a peace treaty in the Western Theater, the Germans can then return their focus to defending against Russians in the Eastern Theater using the resources from the Western Theater along with the new pilots and aircraft.
The Western Allies concerned over Russia's growing military and political power, immediately stop supporting the Eastern Theater causing the Russian front to slowly collapse. Eventually the Russians are forced to negotiate peace and sign a treaty favoring the Germans and causing countries such Poland to be split between Russians and Germans.
Thanks will pass on to the boys.
not a problem at this time as China's missile lacks the ability to use a long range kill chain.
I wish you'd closed out the video with 1x C-RAM, 1x NASAM-2, 1x NASAM-3, 1x IRST against 8x 9M723
CH at it again ❤❤❤
Wikipedia stats on range can be taken with a pinch of salt - ASRAAM (and METEOR) are massively underrated. ASRAAM has already been witnessed taking out targets at over 30Ks WHEN GROUND LAUNCHED! (a massive disadvantage) - You can only imagine its effective range air-launched - actually better than some AMRAAM variants. ASRAMM is actually a BVR weapon. not that the public stats support that statement - Wikipedia puts its range at a pitiful 25Ks.
I want a CIWS in my garden too 😂