"The P-700 is fired in groups of 4-8 and communicate with each other in formation, and maneuver to try to avoid incoming missiles" Meanwhile DCS AI: "I just fired one! That should do it!"
Cap, I need more of this anti-carrier vids please :) You can use as many Kirovs as you need to make them fire as many rockets at the same time as two ships would fire in real life without DCS logic bugs
Hell yeah!!!! Thank you for picking my Pearl Harbor fleet idea, I think I watched your Final Countdown video and thought it would be neato to have a full on past vs future clash as well as funny to see you “become” the cruse missile in a kamikaze attack🤣😂
IT worked! i knew the mlrs would work thank you dcs glitchy workings. reality is the carrier would have the CIWS to provide final close in support if the mlrs somewhow managed to be kept secret
I got close to a carrier battlegroup in a Gazelle with my skid skimming the water. The SAMs and hornets were firing but were also having a difficult time tracking. The problem happens when I'm in CWIS range. You already know how that ends lol
Why have I just found your channel and this game?. Just watch this series. Was laughing out loud. Keep it up. Fascinating game. Love the realism. Binge watching all your vidoes now.
i had about the same result when i fired mlrs units at the carrier as well (i posted the pics in discord) surprised they dont fire more at them. though i used just 2 launchers 1 grad for saturation and a smerch with unguided non cluster he rockets
Well at least the MLRS managed to destroy both US carrier as well as NASA super computer which Cap play DCS with ;) Meanwhile RedFor out there: "Ivan, write that down!" "Da! Komrade!" XD
@@grimreapers Oh really, that would be interesting to see even for the no rules videos in the future. It would be nice if ED touched up the naval combat a bit in future updates.
@@RaV591 I suspect that the AEGIS on the escorts would still not have any trouble keeping up with a full salvo. Any vampires that do leak through, would still have to contend with the SeaRAM, CIWS and ESSM batteries of the carrier itself. I think the MLRS attempt was the first time in any of these videos that the carrier's air defense even got to fire. It's too bad the AI doesn't seem to be able to engage vampires with aircraft though, since that was one of the F-14's jobs.
@@RaV591 Yeah naval combat is lacking especially with the old assets. The Kirov has to face the target head on to fire the missiles despite it using VLS. 2 Kirovs should be able to overwhelm the carriers defenses with 40 P-700s. Also, the P-700s themselves should be way better. IRL, for each 5 P-700s, 4 skim the surface and 1 flies high to provide targeting data for the rest. They also have ECM goodies in them. Also also they should be able to survive way more CIWS hits than they do in game. The harpoon can survive 2 hits from the Russian 30mm, the P-700 (which is much larger) should be able to survive atleast 5- 6 hits from the American 20mm
If the Doppler filter of the enemy radars is modeled you could try a KA-50 coming in at 5-10ft above the water at a very slow speed, like 10-20 knots. Get in range of Vikr missiles and go into hover hold and fire away. You can attack S-300 sites that way so I don’t see why it wouldn’t work against the ships. You’ll be out of range of the Phalanx as well. Also, if you’re trying to make it realistic, American carriers usually only sail with 1 Ticonderoga and 2 Burkes. The way you have it set up with so many escorts seems pretty impossible.
MLRS Cluster munitions are not that small. You can only fire 2 from each of those particular vehicles at a time. You can fire either 12 normal rockets, or 2 of the ATACMS. Afterwards you have to reload.
Easier than i thought! Well i was thinking that this last video should be like the last part of any Mythbusters episode, with a supersized boom with many battleships, fighters etc, anyway, you got the job done kkk... good video!!!
Awesome job. I was the one that suggested the minicons and I expected that the air cover would get you. It would be interested to see if it would work if there was no air cover, but that is not realistic. Looks like it might have a chance though likely would be suicide as the CIWS would take them out when they got in range. That why I thought rockets would be better than bombs, though I guess you could try to toss them. I LOL'd when RC said he didn't bother learning how to drop the bombs. Thanks.
So, using the old good artillery is a winning strategy. It can also be fired from ship over horizon. So, is there any point in carrier group after we get to know this?
A trillion of small projectiles seem to be very effective to oversaturate defences at a small cost. I wish it was possible to see the effects of the Volcano long range guided munitions. No need to get impossibly close to the target with them.
Hi Cap, I was messing around in the mission editor with Iranian SRBM SS-1C Scud-B missile launchers and had them fire at a specific point on the map. However I found that no matter what Skill level I set them to they kept missing. I did some quick testing and noticed that the missiles were consistently hitting the same (wrong) location on the map. Does DCS model rotation of the planet or what else could be causing this discrepancy in accuracy? Thanks!
@@bruhbruh13968 interesting, when I was testing it I fired one at the "minimum effective range" of the missile and it still missed, admittedly I did not time it. I also noticed the further I launched it the more it deviated from the target (still consistently hitting the same spot). Thanks for the response though!
I don’t know if you’ve done this one yet, but what about a WWII Nazi submarine Wolfpack vs US carrier group?? Those Wolfpack subs were pretty successful against the supply lines in the Atlantic
Since your trying to have all 40 shipwrecks from the 2 Kirov battlecruisers launch at once, and it appears each ship only launches 4 at a time due to DCS Bogachev code, why not just use 10 Kirovs to shoot 4 missiles each? I know it breaks the 2 ship rule you have in place, but it would also allow you to test the true onslot of 2 Kirovs vs a carrier fleet. And also, thanks for the videos Cap
It's too bad you don't have drone powered paragligers with some sort of an analog magnetic homing device and some nasty high explosives. Launch a couple of thousand at them. Problem is the Carrier could just turn away from them to out run them. Harder than hell to hit though.
If it's the end, can we do some more videos adding in more people, and crazy stuff, zerg the carrier lol edit: seems like we will with a new series, can't wait, thanks guys :D
Can you edit the P-700 Shipwreck missile in the game files and give it a speed of 3km/s to simulate the new russian antiship missile Zircon that they tested last year?
Leave it to the US Army to have a weapon that can be used against naval forces. But don't forget, even the A-10 pilots cross train with the US Navy for costal defense missions.
You should let the Kirovs fire their S-300s unto the carriers. They can be used to attack moving surface targets. In real life though. Plus P-700 has a nuke warhead version. I don't if the game has it.
Lol. the Artillery didn't work because you didn't designate the carrier as a target, you had them fire one off target round and quit. I want to see how many ships they can really put down after the carrier sinks.
I don't think the carrier's strike group is realistic, in rl they have 4 nuclear-powered stealth Submarines Sailing under every single Carrier, they can detect and destroy these ship from far distance, in rl the strike group and the carrier itself are armed with sea sparrow and tomahawk missiles. not to mention the E-2 & E-3 AWACS planes patrolling hundreds of miles to provide protection in the sky for the feelt and pinpointing every enemy aircraft. the carrier strike group also have P-8 Poseiden anti-Submarines planes capable of taking out any enemy submarines.
Use SU-57 carrying anti ship missiles and a nuke. The missiles will act as decoys getting the SU-57 closer where it can fire it's nuke unto the carrier.
With Shipwrecks in stupid mode and no modelling of their advanced capabilities, the missile will be no different than a Sunburn... Fast, but not as clever. These missiles would actually prioritize targets too if modelled correctly, meaning if the carrier is sunk, they will have a hierarchy of targets in descending value to target next. And then nasty counter measures and maneuvers they would do, at the moment they were made, they were the peak of Anti Ship missiles, and something the west could only dream of at that point. Today, the West hasn't had a need of anti ship missiles, so the technology is lacking in that area, but they have way better land attack missiles.
This isn't really realistic. The carrier group wouldn't go total nuts when 2 prop planes come over the mountain and shoot whatever pops up on radar. I bet even in Oman there are civil aviation pilots. A radar contact needs to be identified as hostile before they can engage. They'd likely first send a radio message on guard, send a couple jets to intercept and only when they see the bombs they'd be shooting.
I am waiting impatiently, the video of the air battle of Mansoura, my friend, believe me. This video will be a quality transmission for you. Great views will happen, God willing
I am happy to see an Arabian man who plays DCS, I am pilot in DCS and I can fly Ka-50, F15C, SU-33, SU-27, A10C and my favorite planes are Su-33 and A10C
The only country where Russian is spoken is in Russia and Chinese is only spoken in China, however Spanish is spoken in 21 COUNTRIES AND IS THE SECOND MOST SPOKEN LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD !! The Hispanic DCS community we are a great community in DCS and I think you should pay us more attention doing some campaign in Spanish (texts and voices), or at least translate the texts of voice messages of those that already exist for sale!
Really? You hock all these products und get British welfare und you can't affordenzi to upgrade your puter?!? Are you a member of the "chosen" people? Btw I've been wanting a video of what carrier battle group has zee best defense for over a year so you're going to do this mein way, ja? Use 4 escorts for both carriers 2 Burkes und two Ticos und do the same for Russian equivalent then use 8 viggens und 8 hornets fully loaded with antiship missiles for both groups (SEPERATLY NOT AT SAME TIME YOU CHIMPS!) to see which gets hit. Your Prezident Fuhrer had other ideas on carrier group vs carrier group but knowing youz people dein Prezident Fuhrer really had to dumb it down und this is zee best I could do. Make it so und don't mess it up I'm tired of getting arrested every time you chimps mess up it frustrates Prezident Fuhrer und ends up punching mein Eva.
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Waaaiiiit you haven’t tried stealth aircraft!!
... it’s possible I’m just forgetting but I think it could work!
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@@grimreapers Oops! Thank you!
Have you tried cutting the US defence budget?
They'd make the usd worth the equivalent ratio to make up for it 😂
:D hahah #winning
You let the Grim Reapers land on it. They can’t recover after that.
lol very good
Damn, that's COLD!! ;-)
Cap, I need more of this anti-carrier vids please, these are the best.
I find really hard unrealistic stuff to be most fun. Like taking on an SA-10with an A-10, surprisingly feasible.
I'm American and I loved it.
Well done Cap and RC.
yay
"The P-700 is fired in groups of 4-8 and communicate with each other in formation, and maneuver to try to avoid incoming missiles"
Meanwhile DCS AI: "I just fired one! That should do it!"
lol
Cap, I need more of this anti-carrier vids please :)
You can use as many Kirovs as you need to make them fire as many rockets at the same time as two ships would fire in real life without DCS logic bugs
wilco
Wow, congrats, you did it! Great job, to you and to the person who suggested it!
Idea for the next ones without the rules:
How many Spitfires does it take to kill a carrier?
Enough to make the fleet run out of ammo
lol
Caps celebrating: "we finally did it! And didn't lose any man!"
Cap's computer: instant KIA.
Hell yeah!!!! Thank you for picking my Pearl Harbor fleet idea, I think I watched your Final Countdown video and thought it would be neato to have a full on past vs future clash as well as funny to see you “become” the cruse missile in a kamikaze attack🤣😂
IT worked! i knew the mlrs would work thank you dcs glitchy workings. reality is the carrier would have the CIWS to provide final close in support if the mlrs somewhow managed to be kept secret
cwis will definally not able to track that many targets at the same time. Even if ot can, it will run out of ammo in a few second anyway😂
I got close to a carrier battlegroup in a Gazelle with my skid skimming the water. The SAMs and hornets were firing but were also having a difficult time tracking. The problem happens when I'm in CWIS range. You already know how that ends lol
lol
Dans le Visage! !!
‘Dans le visage’ is now part of my everyday vocabulary. Thankyou
As it should be :)
@@grimreapers amen my man, amen
lol I'm french and I didn't even understand you said "Dans le visage"
It is part of mine as well.
Why have I just found your channel and this game?. Just watch this series. Was laughing out loud. Keep it up. Fascinating game. Love the realism. Binge watching all your vidoes now.
lol 3500 vids, may take some time :)
i had about the same result when i fired mlrs units at the carrier as well (i posted the pics in discord) surprised they dont fire more at them. though i used just 2 launchers 1 grad for saturation and a smerch with unguided non cluster he rockets
These make my mornings. Best video series yet
Well at least the MLRS managed to destroy both US carrier as well as NASA super computer which Cap play DCS with ;)
Meanwhile RedFor out there:
"Ivan, write that down!"
"Da! Komrade!"
XD
lols
They have themselves a new artificial reef in the straight of hormuz. Lol
lol
Greta will be happy.
Shame that the Kirov’s can’t launch all their P-700s at once in dcs. Thanks for humouring my suggestion though guys!
You can force it too apparently but I can't figure it out :(
@@grimreapers Oh really, that would be interesting to see even for the no rules videos in the future. It would be nice if ED touched up the naval combat a bit in future updates.
@@RaV591 I suspect that the AEGIS on the escorts would still not have any trouble keeping up with a full salvo. Any vampires that do leak through, would still have to contend with the SeaRAM, CIWS and ESSM batteries of the carrier itself. I think the MLRS attempt was the first time in any of these videos that the carrier's air defense even got to fire.
It's too bad the AI doesn't seem to be able to engage vampires with aircraft though, since that was one of the F-14's jobs.
@@RaV591 Yeah naval combat is lacking especially with the old assets. The Kirov has to face the target head on to fire the missiles despite it using VLS. 2 Kirovs should be able to overwhelm the carriers defenses with 40 P-700s. Also, the P-700s themselves should be way better. IRL, for each 5 P-700s, 4 skim the surface and 1 flies high to provide targeting data for the rest. They also have ECM goodies in them. Also also they should be able to survive way more CIWS hits than they do in game. The harpoon can survive 2 hits from the Russian 30mm, the P-700 (which is much larger) should be able to survive atleast 5- 6 hits from the American 20mm
If the Doppler filter of the enemy radars is modeled you could try a KA-50 coming in at 5-10ft above the water at a very slow speed, like 10-20 knots. Get in range of Vikr missiles and go into hover hold and fire away. You can attack S-300 sites that way so I don’t see why it wouldn’t work against the ships. You’ll be out of range of the Phalanx as well. Also, if you’re trying to make it realistic, American carriers usually only sail with 1 Ticonderoga and 2 Burkes. The way you have it set up with so many escorts seems pretty impossible.
15:08 the tomcat is having a seizure lol
MLRS Cluster munitions are not that small. You can only fire 2 from each of those particular vehicles at a time. You can fire either 12 normal rockets, or 2 of the ATACMS. Afterwards you have to reload.
Easier than i thought! Well i was thinking that this last video should be like the last part of any Mythbusters episode, with a supersized boom with many battleships, fighters etc, anyway, you got the job done kkk... good video!!!
Awesome job. I was the one that suggested the minicons and I expected that the air cover would get you. It would be interested to see if it would work if there was no air cover, but that is not realistic. Looks like it might have a chance though likely would be suicide as the CIWS would take them out when they got in range. That why I thought rockets would be better than bombs, though I guess you could try to toss them. I LOL'd when RC said he didn't bother learning how to drop the bombs. Thanks.
That's last attack was so effective it almost took the computer down
Awesome Finale!
One thing i did in IL2 was to set a carrier to sink and try to takeoff while it wad going down, wonder if it would also work in DCS
So, using the old good artillery is a winning strategy. It can also be fired from ship over horizon. So, is there any point in carrier group after we get to know this?
Wow, Caps GPU was that carrier, fps drops as fast as the carrier caught fire.
With low tech planes, you have to make sure they aren’t metal. The I-16 is a metal monoplane. A wooden biplane should have a much smaller RCS
What doesn't make sense is that the carriers RIM-116's could engage but neither the CIWS or SM-2's could lock and launch on the shore artillery.
What do the stranded tomcats do? Do they automatically find some random friendly base or do they just loiter until they bail?
Related question: can they change carriers?
neutral AB if required.
unknow about carrier
Some one should make a mod for the kirov to be direct control and an accurate profile for attacking with missiles
A trillion of small projectiles seem to be very effective to oversaturate defences at a small cost.
I wish it was possible to see the effects of the Volcano long range guided munitions.
No need to get impossibly close to the target with them.
If your going to do anew series match a Ford Carrier group against the new Elizabeth Class Carrier Group
Hi Cap,
I was messing around in the mission editor with Iranian SRBM SS-1C Scud-B missile launchers and had them fire at a specific point on the map. However I found that no matter what Skill level I set them to they kept missing. I did some quick testing and noticed that the missiles were consistently hitting the same (wrong) location on the map. Does DCS model rotation of the planet or what else could be causing this discrepancy in accuracy?
Thanks!
How weird! Will investigate.
Historically the scud series missiles only have about 80 seconds of guidance
@@bruhbruh13968 interesting, when I was testing it I fired one at the "minimum effective range" of the missile and it still missed, admittedly I did not time it. I also noticed the further I launched it the more it deviated from the target (still consistently hitting the same spot). Thanks for the response though!
hypersonic (mach +10) missiles ?
I don’t know if you’ve done this one yet, but what about a WWII Nazi submarine Wolfpack vs US carrier group?? Those Wolfpack subs were pretty successful against the supply lines in the Atlantic
Good idea
Cluster munitions would be able to put the flight deck out of operation, but would they actually sink it? That's very doubtful.
Very interesting use of the MLRS, as the US Marine Corps is seeking to mirror such a design for the Pacific
Since your trying to have all 40 shipwrecks from the 2 Kirov battlecruisers launch at once, and it appears each ship only launches 4 at a time due to DCS Bogachev code, why not just use 10 Kirovs to shoot 4 missiles each? I know it breaks the 2 ship rule you have in place, but it would also allow you to test the true onslot of 2 Kirovs vs a carrier fleet.
And also, thanks for the videos Cap
good idea
It's probably been covered, but what about the Nuke on the Mig 21, maybe tossed bombed in?
Yup it works
@@grimreapers Thank you for letting me know, I thought you guys would have covered it by now lol.
It's too bad you don't have drone powered paragligers with some sort of an analog magnetic homing device and some nasty high explosives. Launch a couple of thousand at them. Problem is the Carrier could just turn away from them to out run them. Harder than hell to hit though.
If it's the end, can we do some more videos adding in more people, and crazy stuff, zerg the carrier lol
edit: seems like we will with a new series, can't wait, thanks guys :D
All of this has made me wonder if a modern US carrier group can beat a modern US carrier group...
lol
Real one vs this sim it’s not shot
The reason why it’s so hard to kill a carrier is because it kills your computer
Can you edit the P-700 Shipwreck missile in the game files and give it a speed of 3km/s to simulate the new russian antiship missile Zircon that they tested last year?
Not me but I bet someone can.
how about something like this but for very powerful SAM Sites, (S-300/S-400) could be really useful for multiplayer games aswell!
Why not Trying attack from 4 different fronts at same time 🤔
More of these videos would be awesome really ✌🏻
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@@grimreapers Thanks buddy, I will check 'em out
Make one more video of just the successes
Getting creative with the rules, but do the 4x F-14 decoy raid followed by the 2x US Ticonderoga TLAM salvo
why dont you recreate a large soviet fleet?
Please try hypersonic missile... 7.5 mach.... It may bypass any defence
Leave it to the US Army to have a weapon that can be used against naval forces.
But don't forget, even the A-10 pilots cross train with the US Navy for costal defense missions.
Wright flyers vs carrier group
lols
How about a tactical nuke torpedo like ASROC?
Well that was interesting!
2:21 Minicoins*
You should let the Kirovs fire their S-300s unto the carriers. They can be used to attack moving surface targets. In real life though.
Plus P-700 has a nuke warhead version. I don't if the game has it.
Lol. the Artillery didn't work because you didn't designate the carrier as a target, you had them fire one off target round and quit. I want to see how many ships they can really put down after the carrier sinks.
Can a10 guns take out a carrier's armour?
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Is it possible for you to include the destruction of the destroyer Eilat as well, my friend, to create an introductory video on it?
You can’t sink it with artillery 😂😂😂
I don't think the carrier's strike group is realistic, in rl they have 4 nuclear-powered stealth Submarines Sailing under every single Carrier, they can detect and destroy these ship from far distance, in rl the strike group and the carrier itself are armed with sea sparrow and tomahawk missiles. not to mention the E-2 & E-3 AWACS planes patrolling hundreds of miles to provide protection in the sky for the feelt and pinpointing every enemy aircraft. the carrier strike group also have P-8 Poseiden anti-Submarines planes capable of taking out any enemy submarines.
And helicopters and dozens of fighters plus sm6’s and 3’s and other modern missiles are used for anti ship as well
Use SU-57 carrying anti ship missiles and a nuke. The missiles will act as decoys getting the SU-57 closer where it can fire it's nuke unto the carrier.
With Shipwrecks in stupid mode and no modelling of their advanced capabilities, the missile will be no different than a Sunburn... Fast, but not as clever.
These missiles would actually prioritize targets too if modelled correctly, meaning if the carrier is sunk, they will have a hierarchy of targets in descending value to target next.
And then nasty counter measures and maneuvers they would do, at the moment they were made, they were the peak of Anti Ship missiles, and something the west could only dream of at that point.
Today, the West hasn't had a need of anti ship missiles, so the technology is lacking in that area, but they have way better land attack missiles.
Sleepy RC is best RC.
I dont want to brag but I mention that a shitload of rockets may do some damage
Roger it works.
So we skipped part 6
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@@grimreapers ok
This isn't really realistic. The carrier group wouldn't go total nuts when 2 prop planes come over the mountain and shoot whatever pops up on radar. I bet even in Oman there are civil aviation pilots. A radar contact needs to be identified as hostile before they can engage. They'd likely first send a radio message on guard, send a couple jets to intercept and only when they see the bombs they'd be shooting.
the exocet destroys carrier group
I am waiting impatiently, the video of the air battle of Mansoura, my friend, believe me. This video will be a quality transmission for you. Great views will happen, God willing
I am happy to see an Arabian man who plays DCS, I am pilot in DCS and I can fly Ka-50, F15C, SU-33, SU-27, A10C and my favorite planes are Su-33 and A10C
The only country where Russian is spoken is in Russia and Chinese is only spoken in China, however Spanish is spoken in 21 COUNTRIES AND IS THE SECOND MOST SPOKEN LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD !!
The Hispanic DCS community we are a great community in DCS and I think you should pay us more attention doing some campaign in Spanish (texts and voices), or at least translate the texts of voice messages of those that already exist for sale!
mosquitos balsa wood
Pull the plug?.
lol
Really? You hock all these products und get British welfare und you can't affordenzi to upgrade your puter?!? Are you a member of the "chosen" people? Btw I've been wanting a video of what carrier battle group has zee best defense for over a year so you're going to do this mein way, ja? Use 4 escorts for both carriers 2 Burkes und two Ticos und do the same for Russian equivalent then use 8 viggens und 8 hornets fully loaded with antiship missiles for both groups (SEPERATLY NOT AT SAME TIME YOU CHIMPS!) to see which gets hit. Your Prezident Fuhrer had other ideas on carrier group vs carrier group but knowing youz people dein Prezident Fuhrer really had to dumb it down und this is zee best I could do. Make it so und don't mess it up I'm tired of getting arrested every time you chimps mess up it frustrates Prezident Fuhrer und ends up punching mein Eva.