@@hashbrownz1999 read in a book that everyone in the bombed cities thought a normal, albeit large bomb fell right next to them.then they went outside and it was exactly the same everywhere
I think Japan seeing a 60ft fighter jet going Mach 1.8 loaded missiles and blowing shit out of the sky would be enough for a surrender long before fuel and ammo became an issue.
The U.S. essentially destroyed the Japanese navy, and stormed all the way to the Japanese mainland, announced plans to launch a total invasion, and dropped the literal sun on its major cities TWICE and did not surrender until it became a 2 front war when the Soviet Union declared war. Even then there were major mutiny and coup attempts to prevent a surrender. Zero shot they would’ve surrendered because of some futuristic fighters.
@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.
@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.
@@giant0mantis despite japans emperor surrendering there were multiple attempted coups and many military leaders who at least still didn’t want to surrender. They surrendered not only because of the atomic bomb. But that coupled with an impending invasion on both sides. Also if you watched this whole video you’d see the U.S. probably wouldn’t just be able to take out the entire fleet overnight like magic
@@nickolasjackson4902 "People that weren't in charge wanted to keep fighting" Yeah there are a lot of people that don't want to do what their leadership does, that doesn't change anything
Also an important part is, the Sailors and Marines in this strike group would probably have tons of knowledge of WW2 which alone would be incredibly devastating even without the actual ships
There was allready jet engines in the late 30s .. it was an experimental tech but not unheard of.. think of it like today ramjets and similar wich have prototipes but no in service anything yet... im sure if a NATO pilot would encounter today some russian fighter with ramjets it wouldnt go saying is magic or impossible
@@sparrowlt the first operational jet engine was in 36 but it did not fly until 41. Rockets and rocket engines had been used me 163. But this was not something the average pilot or a 19 year old sea man would have even imagined in 1942.
@@sparrowlt They did not have supersonic fighters with radar guided missiles that could target other aircraft and splash them from five miles out. The ME 262 would be severely outclassed by an F/A18.
@@Shutterbug5269 of course.. but the japanese pilots in this have no way of knowing that.. and actually they died not knowing.. the guy gunned down as far as he is aware was that (gunned down) and the other probably never even knew a heat seeking missile was homing on him
Imagine being a japanese bomber pilot fighting through the CIWS of the fleet and then you get strafed by a seemingly engine-less aircraft at quintuple your speed
Based just on the load out showed on the video, they would have 5x the number of munitions than they would need. LGB 500lbs is capable of sinking the vast majority of those ships
The japanese lack of radar is what seals the deal. They'd have no idea where the carrier is because it would always know where they are and be able to keep a far enough distance where its strike groups could take them out while being out of the Japanese carrier's ranges.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee JP-5 is basically 99% kerosene, white kerosene is even closer. Kerosene is extremely common. In a pinch diesel and AVGAS will work, with reduction in max performance
Having served in the Navy (Cdn), and worked with carrier groups, there is a slight flaw in this whole scenario. It was specifically mentioned that a carrier strike group doesn't have a submarine. It is actually the opposite, it is extremely rare that you'll see an American carrier without at least 1 submarine lurking in the depths keeping watch.
Yes .. this was my major beef with this scenario as well. A supercarrier especially will always have at least two. They're just too valuable of an asset to not provide them with every tactical advantage (offense and defense).
Something to consider: The Imperial Japanese Navy had one extremely flawed practice: Damage control. Whereas the US and Royal navies trained every sailor in flood control and firefighting, the IJN had a dedicated damage control team that would have to be called in from their stations to make their way to the damage and fight or contain the fire and/or flood. The rest of the crew had no idea how to effectively perform these duties. Because of this, if a Japanese ship was set on fire, it tended to stay on fire.
They had several key flaws. But that was downfall of most damaged ships, could have been saved but ultimately were lost. They carriers were also had a number of design flaws. Stored aviation fuel in the walls of the hanger. Enclosed hangers, better for explosions to out the sides than up. The deadly long lance Torpedoes that filled almost every IJN, sank a number of their own ships, in one case it exploded from a strafing run. Although damage control was able to save that one.
@@Grandizer8989 true to an extent. The US did not do a good job after ww2 in keeping lessons learned during the war going after the big drawn down of experience soldier/sailors. But, in comparison of US Navy 1942 vs IJN 1942. The US was extremely better at damage control compared to the IJN. While both are lesser in comparison to modern Navy practices. But ww2 IJN is the example of what not to do, irony is they copied western nations practices which was the standard at the time. When they learned they needed to change it was already too late, they couldn't train new sailors quick enough to replace the ones they were losing.
Midway proves otherwise, damage control on the Yorktown was far greater than any ship from the Kido Butai, not to mention Yorktown had just been damaged at the battle of Coral Sea, but the carrier was fixed and present at midway just a few days later.
gd info, seems flawed 2 me, it wood tke mre tme 2 act n also wat happens whn v specialised damge control parties r injured killed?, dnt like v idea, everyone needs 2 have training in dc, ff n fa. sure have specilisd advanced dc party as well if v ship can afford em?
You overlooked an important factor: nuclear carriers carry nuclear engineers. They would have accelerated the Manhattan Project. The war ending nukes would be available years earlier.
Didn’t even think of this but you’re exactly right. It would probably be reasonable to expect they could have a bomb ready by the end of 1943. The question would be how to use them, because at this point the Japanese people still have very high morale. Would you just blow up every major city? build tactical warheads for military targets and attach them to modern missiles? Difficult to say
@@MacTac141 The Japanese people had high morale all the way till the surrender, because they were led to believe they were winning convincingly all the way until that point. The bombings of Nagasaki, Hiroshima were a huge shock to them, and what most people don't seem to realize is that the firebombing of other cities actually killed more people and was worse yet on morale. There were a surprising number of japenese who were angry with their government for surrendering, even in the face of total annihilation, because for them, dying was honorable, surrender was not.
@@charleslloyd4253 No, you wouldn’t have to destroy the reactor or even remove it. The ship would likely be anchored in an American port and have a constant flow of nuclear engineers going in and out. They’d build either a duplicate reactor or just use the lessons from the existing one to build a new one for plutonium production After that you have both nukes and a nuclear carrier, whether they’d risk it at all is a different question as the things they could learn from a modern carrier in the 40’s is unfathomable
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan if its a SSGN instead of a SSBN it doesnt hold enought firepower to effectibly defeat all their manufacture and military assets.. nuclear would do but with serious repercusions for nearby allies
no need as v british knew/ broke v german codes at v start of ww2, eg vey knew pearl was goina b attacked but didint tell v yanks as vey wanted v reluctant yanks 2 enter v fight as we needed em. vey used v worlds first ( sry chinese-abacas) computer which was designed nbuilt in v 1800s in v uk, modified it n called it enigma. its why v allies won v war.
@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 wt p[art was shocking 2 u?, im curious?, al vis info is freely available n been in v public domain 4 decades. im happy 2 gve u mre info, ive noticed many dnt know history. cheers
@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 i rmber v first comp was desingned by a english woman n a scotsman in v 1860s.? it was v size of a house, it was put in a museum 4 60 yrs by queen victoriaas colecting dust. imgine creating v worlds first computer n v gvt says its very nice wewll put it in storage 4 v rest of ur life!. v elites didint understand its abilities, in 40s uk vey did n used it 2 win ww2.
As a former Carrier crew USS Nimitz I would say yes for sure. The primary issue would be jet fuel exhaustion. It would need to be an all out fast attack.
There's a big difference between a carrier and a carrier group. As long as the carrier has fuel, munitions and supplies to run, they would be untouchable. Final Countdown is a great movie.
@@hunterbear2421 If the Destroyers used in this video was the Zumwalt destroyers with their nuclear reactors, there is literally no limit to how far and long the carrier group can travel. By themselves, the group can at least last for 6 months. So really, the US would get a huge upper hand above their already advantageous position.
"Dr Oppenheimer, some of the reactor technicians from the USS John F Kennedy are here to consult your research program. They MAY be able to offer some valuable insight."
Not just that, but how about an actual integrated circuit chip let alone microprocessors in the hands of 1940 researchers still trying to figure out how they even make semiconductors. Oh so it’s done like that! Now of course that would put the infamous Radio Shack out of business almost instantly as tubes would cease to exist... Discoveries from the people onboard in advanced explosives chemistry, metals, materials science, and even simply air conditioning would ultimately become more valuable than the ships themselves. The technology they bring will be as valuable if not more so than the hardware itself as this magical stuff would simply be technology they just don’t understand....yet.
@@scoutmaster33 The funny thing is, we'd probably skip straight past the cold war with this. Hell, the WW2 allies would have likely continued and pushed the Soviets out of europe with this big of an advantage. Also, some clever folk could probably make some suggestions about giving some aid to the areas of Asia that were hit by Japan and not letting China become the monster it is today. Hell, they'd probably have to have one of their guys who studied history give a full briefing of our timeline. So they could hopefully avoid the pitfalls we fell into. At which point the only worry is if our politicians got drunk on this power.
Ya, no US carrier travels with only 3 support vessels. Thats a myth for adversaries. And if you think nothings lurking under the surface thats a you problem! America cares more about submarines than stealth aircraft. They are literally the most elusive piece of americas nuclear arsenal. A carrier strike group is most likley capable of 100-300 heroshimas and nagasaki's by blast force. Seeing as 1 modern nuke is easily 50x
The modern US carrier is unbeatable by 1942 standards, and that's even without its escorts. Early warning aircraft would detect any Japanese aircraft long before they could see the carrier and they'd be shot down if there was any threat of detect. The same early warning aircraft would detect the Japanese fleet as well. Super Hornets could attack the fleet with near impunity with laser-guided weapons that wouldn't miss and would likely destroy a ship with every hit. Maybe the battleships would take a beating, but they're not the threat. The carriers are targeted first and sunk with ease. The only real threat to the US carrier is a chance encounter with a Japanese submarine. Then again, submarines in that era sail on the surface most of the time, so the early warning aircraft would detect them at great distance and then a guided missile, say a Harpoon, could sink it with ease.
Watch the movie, The Final Countdown. It's about a modern carrier going through a wormhole to defeat the Japanese fleet in 1941. Movie was made in 1980. Starred Kirk Douglas. It had potential.
The Final Countdown is definitely needs to be remade... but as a Mini Series. This time the carrier stays back in time, destroys the Pearl Harbor Strike Force and goes from there. Things to consider is how the U.S would handle such power along with the ability to jump light years ahead with nuclear, rocket, jet engine and computer technology via reverse engineering. Would the Cold War Happen or would the U.S threaten Russia with its super-weapon, would it become currupt and hold the world hostage? Also you have to imagine how the U.S Population would react when they see not only a non Segregated Crew but also ( if its a 2021 carrier) female pilots, officers and crew.
Considering the Japanese navy lacked adequate radar, they would be at the bottom of the ocean before they saw a single ship. This scenario is very similar to the commodore perry incursion into Japanese ports. They had ships, but stood no chance against (at the time) modern warships and had to open the country up completely to trade or risk annihilation.
One problem the U.S. carrier would face would be the lack of GPS tracking technology for its guided weapons. It would be interesting to see how they would handle this problem
@America We use an E6B flight computer to calculate things such as time, distance, true airspeed, wind correction angle, etc. This is technology that PanAm developed in the 30's. The PanAm navigation school is where the US Army trained bomber navigators. And that type of "dead reckoning" navigation is literally the first form of navigation you learn in flight school to this day. And we *still* have the ability to pick up surface based navigation signals (same thing they used back then - hell, some of the equipment is original to the period) just fine! Now, go take a hike you little prick.
@@medinbeqiri8346 Ahaha he deserved it! GPS makes navigation easier and more convenient. But I assure you we were weren't up there just takin a damn guess before the 90's ahaha
More like "what if" the USS Nimitz found itself in the middle of WWII? Might be a good idea for a movie. What could we call it? I'll think about it while I listen to some Europe.
We can't effect history by letting them know we are here! Shoots Captain. Launch all aircraft, we're going to war boys. Probably do Hoorah to keep everyone commited, or something. I'm British so I'd probably use a modern carrier to invade most of the planet or, more likely, threaten them into submission. They have advanced capability. And we have 12 of these ships, roughly. Maybe..ish.
When they filmed the movie The Final Countdown . They had F14s fly by the actual ww2 planes and just the turbulence from the tomcats passing nearly caused them to crash. It’s a great story to read up on the filming of that movie. So in theory if some huge supersonic jets like the tomcat. Flew at actual top speed through a formation of zeros , it could cause lots of havoc without even firing a shot .
I think I can model morale: U.S.: "We lost our entire navy!??!?!" -100 morale U.S.: "An aircraft carrier from 80 years in the future has travelled back in time to defend our freedom with its advanced technology??!!!!" +100000 morale
Small carrier group filled with unexperienced sailors that will piss themselves at the first glance of hundreds of kamikaze pilots flying towards them vs the entire imperial navy with thousand of planes, ships and millions of disposable fanatical men..... Morale-1000000000000000000000000000000000
@@Riimaachan There were no kamikaze pilots until just before the end of the war in 1945. It was a last ditch desperation move after most of the Japanese fleet had already been lost. Besides, no aircraft in existence at the time would have any hope whatsoever of penatrating a modern carrier's defenses to crash into the carrier.
The movie was a total let down.. they spent the first 60 minutes or so building you up for a great battle and then go f*ck yourself .. you just lost 40$ taking the family to the movies !!!
Was stationed on the Kitty Hawk when it came out the scene of it pulling into Pearl was us I was manning the rail for the shot, the Nimitz was unavailable I think they were deployed at the time, same thing happened in Top Gun Tom Cruise was an A-hole while he was on board wanted us to salute him not happening.
....aaaand then there's the Japanese version to some extent without cliffhangers unlike that movie, a Japanese Comic/Manga, Zipang in which also had an animated adaptation. To summarize, a fictional advanced/new version of the Kongo-class comparable to the US Arleigh Burke-class from the early 2000's was sent back in time before the Battle of Midway. That ship was on it's way to presumably the RIMPAC Exercise in Hawaii when it got sent back to WW2.
As a naval aviation Ordnanceman, this is an impressive assessment on our weapon systems, aircraft, and capabilities. This is an extremely interesting topic to cover as well. Well done!
My grandfather, a seal, was always really pleased with how modern weapons made his job less important .. well not less important in my opinion, but his own opinion. But he was a radio and signal specialist? Is that a thing? Thats what he said he was. He would mention how fearful he was of these new systems we propped our accuracy upon going down, and causing ships or planes and ordinance to be lost to the fogs of war if the enemy stripped our new electronic advantages. This video seems to express a little bit of that concern and I find it interesting.. but I'm a nanotech lab princess... I only know the stuff he told me about.
One fact that isn't considered in the analysis is that the carriers reactor engineers would have adequate knowledge of nuclear dynamics to accelerate the US A-bomb program by years.
No chanse, remember, some counties can't build a nuke and they have good universities, but the engineers can provide some information about radar technology, about CDMA transmission, the Japanese code can be uncoded with all modern laptops in few hours, also people from 1940 can use reverse engineering to build jet engines, etc... More than that the jet fighters can use the radars to spot when enemy planes are on flying deck, that mean they can use just the wings cannons to turn japanese carriers into a burning hell.
I am a former Navy nuclear technician. I operated reactors for years. I would be no use whatsoever in building a bomb. I have no clue how to do things like enriching Uranium, and I know nothing about explosives. I know more than your average layman about how atom bombs work, but after the 15 minutes it took me to tell them all I knew, I’d be making coffee.
Ghotiermann That’s okay, they still had the Manhattan Project your main value would be in telling them that above ground atomic testing was a REALLY stupid idea!
I think those people are different, some are for using it practically with application knowledge , trouble shooting then there are scientists who know how its made and works chemically etc are different people....
They actually made sci fi movie about this theory. It's a 1980s movie called "The Final Countdown". A modern US Carrier travels back in time a day before the attack on pearl harbor through a strange storm at sea. It's a nice movie.
That movie sucked since they didn't do anything with the concept. The only half interesting thing in that movie was some F-14s flying around some Zeros. And none of that "combat" made sense, not to mention a Zero would literally explode if hit by anything from an F-14's arsenal, not just slowly glide into the water. The only saving grace was that they used real Zeros
I think you're forgetting something: American engineers would be able to get a look at the fighters and ships in that battle group and, although they couldn't reproduce a lot of the high technology, what they would be able to do is leapfrog their current technology. They'd be able to build aircraft that would be advanced for the time, whether jet or piston propelled, and they'd be able to build bigger aircraft carriers with longer flight decks that would make doing things like the Dewey raid EASY. They wouldn't be able to build super advanced, guided missiles, but they would be able to build inertial guided rockets that could be carried by both the modern fighters (as long as they lasted), and by the new US aircraft that would result from exposure to future technology. Thus, the capabilities, accuracy, efficiency, and strength of the new US Navy and its weapons and aircraft would DRAMATICALLY increase, and there would be equal advances in technology for the Army and Marines, making them much more than a match for anything Japan would have, and making invading Japan a lot easier than it would have been using the technology of the time. Atomics would still likely have been dropped, but it's also possible that they wouldn't have been needed. Another possibility is that, with access to future tech, the atomics dropped on Japan would've been hydrogen bombs, which would have been a LOT more devastating than the basic atomic bombs we actually used. One other thing: with the drastic leap forward that exposure to future tech would give the US of 1945, it's possible that Patton would've gotten his war with the Soviets, which the US would have won with that technology and bases in Japan and possibly China (since we would also have been able to support Chiang Kai Shek better against Mao). In any case, Korea would have gone VERY differently, even with the involvement of China AND the Soviet Union, neither of which had atomic bombs at the time, and neither of which would have had thermonuclear bombs or the technological advances that access to a modern US carrier group would have given the US. There probably would have been NO Cold War, because the Communists in both Russia and China would've been defeated, and both countries would've been remade as democratic republics. There would be no North Korea, and the entire world would look VERY different today.
Especially since their doctrine did not use their own planes as recon. They used the cruisers float planes as recon or the planes of nearby airfields. So their information would always be a little lacking. Hell in Battle of Midway they were informed of the location of the Yorktown but were off by 50 miles closer and twenty miles to the east meaning their planes wouldn't have even been going to the right location. Our ships are so fast, communication much better. Our ships could launch our fighters and full steam over a hundred miles to a new location and our planes could land, the japanese would have no fucking clue were our ship went thats if we let their recon planes get close enough to see us to report. People forget that cloudy weather meant planes couldn't identify targets at all. Modern planes and ships can detect one another no matter the weather pattern.
Q. how exactly is the US carrier group going to find and hit Japanese ships without satellite and GPS navigation, in the middle of the Pacific? Do you really want to be flying an F/A-18 without GPS?
@@w0mblemania They do this a lot actually. They run drills and training sims without GPS and Satellite tech often enough in case something where to ever happen to their array or something were to ever jam it. So they actually CAN operate in the same way the old Navy did too. also there is a lot more chance that they would have japanese americans on board who can speak japanese and possibly even still have info on the codes they where using allowing them to crack 100% of the Japanese communication where as at Midway they only had a partial cipher.
This is actually a pretty cool video. Just like the film "The Final Countdown" How about doing another scenario where modern U.S. Marines storming the beach on D-Day with some supports (maybe one or two MEU) and how it played out?
The doctrine of vertical envelopment nearly guarantees that the bloody beach storming tactics of yore would remain a thing of the past; the bloodiness that is. Modern amphib tactics would also better deal with defense in depth as marines and soldiers as well may choose to bypass enemy units nearer the shore and go against those enemy units inland in an attempt to cut off the beach defenders. Helicopters and better air and NGF support would enable these.
@@MrBinnie824 Though assuming it's just the ground troops and gear being swapped and not the supporting Navy and Air Force resources, it would probably go mostly the same due to the lack of the modern technology and resources that allows for modern tactics and support
@@ARavingLobster modern marines will probably fair much worse with their knowledge of what happened, most probably won't actually agree to go and their experience compared to the soldier that were at constant war for 6 years is very lacking
Depends on how many marines, without at least decent numbers, it'll be a bloodbath since conventional weapons really haven't changed all that much, kevlar helps, it really does, but when the beach is literally loaded with mg nests and enemies, it's not gonna save u all that much
i did not remenber the movies name, interestingly the Technology of the movie was used on the War game Red Alert, the Chronosphere ... The objective was to put ones fleet invisible or to cross vast distances in seconds... one Trial went wrong lol ...
I can't help but think from a tactics standpoint the Carrier group would prioritize targets. I suspect night would set on the Pacific Ocean and the next morning inexplicably the entire Japanese naval group would have just disappeared with scant or little information on what the hell happened. By the end of the week, I would think parts of Tokyo would just start exploding in the middle of the night. With that massive advantage in intel and radar, the Japanese might never actually lay their eyes on the Carrier group. The fog of war, and simply not know what the hell was going on would probably be the most effective weapon against Japan. When your entire navy just starts disappearing, and you have not actually inflicted any confirmed damage on the USA that has got be debilitating. They would have no idea this was only one Carrier Group, could all USA ships do this? Japan's entire strategy was to get the USA to the negotiating table, and they knew they could not beat the USA in a prolonged war. When they can't even get a confirmed kill, they would have to be seriously rattled.
@@whosagoodgirl5846 If they were really spread out, yeah, I could see that, but then, you don't need to kill every ship. Just knock out all the command and communication.
I don’t think the real morale damage was considered. Imagine being a Japanese sailor in a carrier escort group. When out of nowhere multiple ships randomly explode. Followed by the sound of the F18 without being able to see it. That would terrify anybody that had no idea what was happening.
What this scenario ignores is the psychological effect of the summary destruction of ALL of Japan's carriers in short order. As with Midway, after the loss of the carriers the Japanese navy was fatally wounded, never to recover and never to pose a serious threat to even the ww2 American Navy. So a modern US carrier would prove devastatingly decisive in the short term, and to a greater extent than even Midway. All of this ignores the psychological impact on Japanese sailors from experiencing the shock of unanswerable, unknowable ferocity while they found their ships suddenly destroyed by an unseen enemy. The ww2 Japanese Navy would not recover from the initial contact, end of story.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that Japan would immediately surrender after witnessing their Navy be obliterated by some unseen, god-like force with zero warning.
Just think if Yamamoto received a phone call from FDR, being told: “Look, we’ll sink 15 ships of yours in the next 8 hours, of which 4 carriers and 2 battleships, and you will not be able to do anything about it. If you do not surrender within 24 hours after the attack, Tokyo will be erased from the maps within 48 hours from now”. The latter is just a bluff but after seeing the outcome of the first battle confirming the first menace, it may be effective.
This situation was contemplated in the 1980 movie The Final Countdown. In the movie the carrier Nimitz hits at strange energy storm which. have been transported back in time to December 6, one day before the attack. Captain realize they must have traveled through a time wormhole and has to decide whether to destroy the Japanese fleet and alter the course of history, or to stand by and allow history to proceed as "normal". They beleved they could take out the entire Japanese strike force. The movie is worth checking out.
My favorite line from that movie was when USS Nimitz was trying to communicate with Pearl and the response was along the lines of "bullshit, they'd never name a carrier after that guy"
After several seconds of determined consideration of this premise, I have decided that the most difficult part of this battle would be how the Americans would travel back in time to 1942.
Without watching the video, but having been a part of the U.S. Navy's aviation division, I can honestly say a modern carrier would absolutely destroy the Japanese navy in 1941.
Every ship in that group has a minimum of 2 or 3 tech manuals for every single sslystem and part on board. Composition of jet fuel, maintenance records, schematics, soup to nuts everything can and has to be made on board at times. Maintaining the aircraft would be a matter of getting tech specs to US Military R&D and they could have all the work done quite quickly. We had plenty of chemists, metallurgical experts, engineers and mechanics, they didn't have the knowledge. The only issue will be computer parts as silicone chips and stuff are way beyond the pay grade of a Lt JG. They do carry boxes of stores and with the new upgrades to older planes and even new versions of planes, there would be no shortage of sorties off the deck. The torpedoes on the helos would be a MASSIVE upgrade to the US torpedo and would change the entire war in the Atlantic over night. And an earlier poster was right, a single reactor tech petty officer and the right weapons specialist could probably build you a nuke faster than Los Alamos because they didn't have to invent it from scratch.
@NSResponder difference being they have all the reactor techs who know all about it already. Wouldn't take much to build because they know what to do. Took forever when they were groping in darkness for a lightswitch. It's like looking for a special store, once you've been there it's easy to find again. I can tell you, knowing some of the reactor techs, that their training went well beyond learning how to read the dials, but the education at reactor school goes into theory and a whole bunch of other stuff that's not common knowledge now but not hard to find or understand now, but Einstein would lose his mind over back then. Especially if you just so happened to be on a carrier with nukes on board. Imagine dropping a nuke on Japan that's 5000 times the power and thats not full yield. The world would cower at what we could do with just the jets, let alone the nukes. The threat alone would basically make the US the only global power probably for a century or more until someone else caught up, and we could prevent that because we know where the Uranium and plutonium and other rare earth metals come from. We can exploit them and no one else gets them, they can't do much without them. It's like going to a gold mine in the 1850s, you know how rich and where to dig so it's not guess work for you. Go to the founding of the Ford motor company, and buy stock. Sell just before the crash, and butly again a year later when it's barely worth the ink and paper. How rich would you be now?
I think one missed factor is that modern ships and aircraft still has cannons. The carriers have a few cwis that could shred aircraft and deck crews if the situation calls for it. Same thing with aircraft as they can support 20mm gatling guns and helis supporting either m240 lmg or a gau 21 hmg. Edit: Also nighttime raids could easily be done since most ships in that era didn't have much tech for night fighting.
The biggest weapon carried by the moden carrier would actually be the knowledge it carries. Lots of engineering manuals, and Navy officers tend to skew heavily to engineering degrees. Heck, the information in the textbooks for all the CLEP courses we took in the Navy would jumpstart the US industrial base.
The answer was clearly no. A single carrier group simply doesn't have the fuel, ammunition and ability to make repairs to destroy the entire fleet. Even if they could refuel they would run out of bombs and general ammunition, and if they reverted to WWII bombs then they could get shot down, and eventually the planes would fall apart due to not being able to get repaired.
@@jaybee946 I agree. But let’s be honest. The Japanese navy wasn’t really all that formidable. It would only take time. I disagree with some of the things in this video as well. The super carrier is equipped with a lot more than just radars and planes. So, theoretically, the super carrier and the fleet should take all, if not, most of the navy. Just my opinion though.
@@alfredthegreatfounderofeng1583 that's the thing japan during ww2 is actually not very strong and is considered weak by the us but idk how but japan managed to took up so much of asia and even gave a pretty good fight against the us navy. Its so odd
@@jaybee946 "The answer was clearly no. A single carrier group simply doesn't have the fuel, ammunition and ability to make repairs to destroy the entire fleet." I think you are greatly underestimating the kind of firepower a single modern Carrier Strike Group is packing. Not only does the carrier have E-2 Hawkeyes which would detect ANY Imperial Navy threat before it could ever even hope to be in range, the carriers escorts, Arleigh Burke Destroyers and we'll say a Ticonderoga Class Cruiser has Harpoon missiles and even their SM-2 missiles have some anti-ship capabilities, 90 or so a piece they're packing times 3 since in this scenario the guy in the video is giving the Carrier 3 escorts, although realistically it would probably be 5 or 6. Hypothetically, lets say Pearl Harbor happens, and A Carrier Strike Group is sent to retaliate, catches up with the Imperial Navy Fleet. They pretty much threw everything at us they had to bear at the time in 1941, all 6 of their current operational Aircraft Carriers. A modern carrier strike group catches them on their way back and completely wipes that fleet off the face of the Earth, then proceeds to the Japanese Mainland, unopposed, launches an Alpha Strike, blows up their shipyards, their factories, kills the Emperor, kills the Prime Minster, the war is over.
@@Threaopolieze They got their on the TARDIS, Churchill called them and The Doctor gave them a ride, bigger on the inside, big enough to give a carrier group a lift to 1941.
In reality a carrier strike group operates much larger than this. They have One carrier, three destroyers, one cruiser, one LPD and LHD, two submarines, and a AOE-R. That in of itself could probably make quick work of most of the pacific campaign. The submarines act as strike craft, while the aircraft carrier acts as a central hub. The amphibious ships would probably be paired with two destroyers to take islands. AOER would be with fleet main, composing of the carrier, the cruiser, a destroyer and the AOER. It would be brutal. The biggest constraint would be fuel and ammo.
The real power of a carrier 50 years after WW2 is not her firepower. It is her power in information gathering, electronic warfare, computing power, and crew expertise in science and engineering. She can be a god mobile command center and research lab for US in an entire WW2 battlefield. EACH of her planes can serve as an AWACS for a WW2 strike group.
You know what would be funny... If an entire Roman fleet fought a US destroyer from ww2. The Romans would be like: Alright boys Ram them and board em! *Roman ship attempts ram* And immediately they break into pieces. Then Roman ships board and find out the gun is mightier than the sword and shield.
The only way they could board would be if the destroyer crew was kind enough to drop them a ladder. A modern destroyer could sink any Roman galley by swamping it with their wake.
I don't even think the US would need to really fight the Japanese navy. Just sink a ship or 2 from beyond visual range, which could be done at a whim, and then do a quick show of force by flying some F/A-18s over and showing off their performance (something like a full afterburner supersonic pass around 5,000 ft, then immediately zip climbing to around 40,000 ft). I think the remaining Japanese fleet would just turn around and go home.
You say fuel was a limitation, it wouldn't. Fuel oil (crude kerosene) was used in WW2 to power most warships at that time. This same fuel could be used to fuel modern day warships and aircraft.
spare parts for regular maintenance would be the biggest problem. It would take a lot of time to create factories that would be able to supply some of it and for sure at that time there would be a lot of things that could not be produced, like electronic parts for example.
The most common ship's fuel during WWII was a tar-like petro substance called Bunker-C. It is NOT compatible with any sort of lighter fuel like kerosene.
@@standalonecomplex2195 usn isnt gona need spare partsa s ver fleet wood b sunk or surendered. if vey stayed a float mre van amnth yeah ur rite v ships etc gona b run dwn n nedd spares n maintenance which wouldnt happen as ver fighting n running constantly, not 2 mention v exhausted crews droping frm fatigue n injureis n vers no spares 4 them!.
The US tried to sink one of their own decommissioned carriers as a test. They couldn't sink it with their own missiles or torpedoes, direct hits for hours and it kept floating. The had to scuttle it from the inside using engineers and controlled explosives. I doubt the entire Japanese sub fleet could sink a modern carrier, even if it strolled up to visual distance of Tokyo.
@@killerso_0138 search up Phalanx Point Defense and then scroll through the comments. You see hilarious stories of how idiots were tripping their sensors with thrown rocks on the other side of their final protective line. If zeros can survive through that kind of automated fire, I think the Japanese would have won ww2 with pilots as skilled as those.
@@tarantulathree-one8013 try again. Those were stories from the early days of these systems. Technology is always being updated. They use it Cousins to shoot down rockets and motoars at US bases. But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942
@@Matt-mt2vi "But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942" Unconcerned group commander letting them get in range of CIWS to make use of those munitions and save fighter ammunition for things that can't or won't come to them. A portion of everything the carrier group needs would have to be sent to the US mainland for study and design of factories to produce them, else the carrier and its escorts will become useless in short order.
@@tremedar you don't see how much jumping through hoops you are doing to get to that point. 1. Im not ignoring probability of bad or toxic leadership that can be found in civilian or in the military. But you are not going to find a unconcerned carrier commander that would put themselves in position like that. Not billions of dollars worth of equipment and up to 4k sailors. Even worth far more as it being the only operational ship. 2. They are not giving up weapons used to protect themselves. Not planes, Helicopters, nor their 600 some anti air missles on the 4 ships. Also CIWIS 20×102mm ammunition was made in that era. Technology improvement would be faster if it came from on board engineers and manuals than the equipment itself. Even if they needed too they only need 1 or 2 of each. Kamikasi only came around once they were losing the war and were basically minimal trained pilots from land bases. So this is your reasoning, summed up. The carrier with such disregard of danger. Gave up all its air defense weapons guns and missles on all 4 ships to be studied (Or not enough to stop waves of planes to get by) Plus they gave up all their planes, so Ariel radar or CAP. And they got within what 30 miles of a Japanese island with an airbase, with almost no protection. For what reason would they do that?
The most important part of the carrier group would honestly be the computer tech and other modern tech they bring with them. It would obviously be studied by the Americans and the US would see an even bigger technological golden age. It would of course lead into a paradox, as the these ships probably would be way more advanced in our time if they got access to the tech int the 40ies. Time travel is complicated :)
Also theyd let people know about a bunch of communist spies like Oppenheimer so the Soviets aren't getting nukes until the mid fifties at the earliest. This probably just generally leads to the even more insanely U.S. dominant timeline really.
@@GonnaDieNever A nuclear reactor in one of those supercarriers would probably lead to a massive growth in nuclear power in the west. But the computer tech would probably be the most important piece of tech. But it wouldn't be possible. The only way they could do the time travel without making a paradox, would be to stay away from it all. Any change would break the timeline. Most likely stuff would just end up like the same timeline as the ship came from.
They would be in a loop of godliness, since now present day things would be more advanced if a nimitz carrier was sent to 1942, but then when the modern carrier is sent back it will be much more better than the nimitz, this would go on until the us can literally create black holes or smth
It would be a turkey shoot. - Wouldnt even be a match. Thats not to disparage ships of that era. 80 years have passed. The same could be said of a WW2 battleship vs. a civil war naval task force. And the same would be true of a carrier task force 80 years from now vs. one from today. It is because of those earlier ship that we have what we have now.
Since Navy fuel is universal, the destroyers can use the same fuel as the jets on the carrier. There is equipment in place on the carrier to transfer fuel stores to other ships in order to increase their operational range.
If you had a modern aircraft carrier, it would be almost pointless to focus on the islands. With so much firepower, the ships would move close to the Japanese coast and take out all the Japanese decision-makers. Considering how badly Japanese subs did during wwii, I find it hard to believe modern ships would have any trouble detecting them at all. Even if a submarine did get a shot off against the carrier, the carrier could most likely outrun the torpedo. The reality is that the carrier group would go on offense given it's inability to be everywhere and would launch devastating attacks on Japan until it surrendered. OR it could take out all the ports and make it impossible for Japanese ships to resupply. The reality is Japan just wouldn't have the firepower or resources to go on the offensive. Meanwhile, the carrier would be all but invisible while being able to launch devastating attacks and this is before ruling out the possibility of nuclear weapons being on the carrier.
This video focuses more on the more conservative methods where the modern fleet will operate in a more cautious manner. Ofc, if it were to decide to go all out it would easily do what you assume they could do.
With that tech, I’d argue we would end the war in a few months. Not later but sooner. Only 1 strike group but that group has a huge range and if they dock at midway at all or simply just stay at pearl they control that entire side of the ocean. Japanese would run out of fuel before getting anywhere else
Lets not forget the ludicrous assumption that ww2 subs have the stealth capability to surprise a strike group. I think he forgot about the existence of sonar
@@NobleBlu Not to mention the torpedo said WWII subs would get up the ass from the dark hole in the ocean (modern attack sub) that they didn't see coming.
This was explored in the movie “The Final Countdown” in which the USS Nimitz sailed thru a wormhole to the hours before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
Nimitz class carriers carry up to 25 W class warheads (max 200kt) for their strike package. The AB's carry VLS systems with nuclear capability up to 1mt. The moment the carrier group was at Pearl, five nukes at 50kt on the Japanese mainland. War won within 1942.
@@Wehavenevermet Yes, and everything the US military says is 100% truth. They never lie and have a track record of not hiding their capabilities to make sure that the bad guys are never 100% sure of what they are. Muppet.
....since when did aircraft carriers deploy with cruise missiles? Those are on the escort destroyers, cruisers, and submarines big dog. Are you confusing tomahawks with some kind of nuclear weapon that can be placed on a F/A plane or some shit?
A carrier group is never with out it's subs. When i was in the navy the carriers carried fuel for their escorts to top them off between oil tanker visits.
Hollywood already made a Movie something Like this in 1980 called "The Final Countdown" the USS Nimitz goes through a Weird Storm at Sea and gets sent back to December 6 1941 it's a Good Movie
You didn't consider the possibility that the US carrier might have nuclear weapons on board. Which sometimes (often?) is the case. So it's possible to end the war in 1942 if those weapons had also been available...
@@Threaopolieze bruhh, you can always set a bomb on a timer, jerry rigging a nuclear bomb sounds much harder than it is. And calling someone stupid for suggesting an idea is kinda cringe, especially if its theoretical.
@@Threaopolieze Nukes don't "need" GPS to work. We've had nukes far longer than GPS - the only time nukes were used in combat happened BEFORE there was GPS. And, the kind of nuclear weapons carried by a US carrier battle group were most commonly the B61 gravity bomb. It's dropped and then falls to the ground, no guidance needed... And, where nuclear weapons do need guidance it's most likely to be inertial because that can't be jammed. It's not as though precision is super critical. That said, if they had the nuclear armed TLAM those don't need GPS either - given they use TRACON and inertial guidance. Also, the codes and keys are on the ship. The US uses a system called permissive action links (PAL) and the obstacle to employing nuclear weapons is usually that it takes some number of people to collectively agree to use them. The code given is not typically to "unlock" the weapons, it's to authenticate the order and identify the target package to be used. The two person integrity and no-lone-zone concept are what keeps unauthorized weapon uses from occurring not a code the operators don't have access to. Also, when a ship is at sea or a sub is at sea there are times when communications with the NCA might be disrupted and in that circumstance it might be necessary for preplanned actions to be executed - which would include use of nuclear weapons. So much for keyboard commandos (i.e. "you") with big mouths and strongly held opinions but clearly no idea what they're talking about... The irony that you would call anyone ELSE stupid after the nonsense you just typed is rather amusing...
Very interesting scenario, but two things not modelled are the modern sailors' knowledge of history and what effect the modern sailors' knowledge of technology would have on the rebuilding of the WW2 era fleet. Things like possible lithium-ion batteries for subs, homing torpedoes, radar, night vision, the fundamentals of helicopters, etc. That might be something for another video, maybe by a RUclipsr specializing in alternate history.
still would take decades to build up the industry/tooling/skills to produce that equipment....it would happen MUCH faster, but would still take time. *After WW2, a lot of professionals in the USA had strong sympathies for communism = that is how Russia developed their own nukes so quickly. So all this modern tech would be leaked as well.
@Imagination Is Power Setting aside inherent strength loss with 'Power Projection', destroying a destroyed country is actually a LOT harder than an advanced country. The USA is the strongest country (militarily) in terms of 'Power Projection'....BY FAR! But that doesn't mean they can beat a country like China (for example) by invading it. The USA could only project a tiny bit of its power in China...while the Chinese could bring everything they have to bear. But NOBODY can even hope to project power (invade) the USA....well, except millions of illegals streaming from South America, of course.....
And then there's the reaction from other countries. Word of a super carrier appearing out of nowhere and destroying the Japanese Navy would surely spread like wild fire. I'd like to imagibe how Britain, Nazi Germany and Russia would react. No doubt Hitler and Stalin would like to get their hands on the modern tech or force their countries to start making similar weapons.
Imagine Nimitz's reaction when he gets a 21st century carrier that's *named after him* to blow up the IJN...... McArthur and Nimitz is gonna have some fun raising temperatures in Asia
FYI one carrier did hold the line while the fleet was rebuilt, she was CV 6 the USS Enterprise. As her sister carriers Hornet and Yorktown were taken out Enterprise held the line as the lone large carrier in the Pacific for nearly a year. Jeep carriers joined her quickly but were not as strong as Enterprise. The Grey Ghost is one on the most legendary ships in U.S. Navy history and the most decorated.
@@SogoTX The Enterprise was called the Grey Ghost because the Japanese reported sinking her on several occasions and she always turned up to fight again.
@@asdf51501 I appreciated the serious direction they took with the many good conversations but I think people need to realize before going in that it doesn't end with jets fighting Zeros.
I've watched it a dozen times. Even got my son to watch it. I wished the ending was a little bit diffferent. Not giving anything away. Interesting fact, the navy helped make the film in return for the free advertising and allowing navy recruiters at theaters. According to wiki and imdb.
The most dangerous asset would most likely be the crew to be fair. Assuming that the crew are also teleported to the past with all their knowledge about history would mean that they'd be able to predict a lot of what Japan would try in the war.
Although the question, if one supercarrier fleet could win against the Japanese navy, a single nuclear submarine could do the job. 1: Demand unconditional surrender. 2: If denied, fire a nuclear ICBM on the mainland. 3: Repeat.
So, just a few thoughts. 1). Contact the Japanese, tell them that at Noon, the next day, you are going to take out the Battleship Yamato. Tell them no matter what they do the Battleship will be destroyed, since it is their largest ship you send in the F-18s and have them fire missiles at maximum altitude and then return to base. The next day you tell them you are going to hit the Carrier Soryu. Tell them who their commanders are before each strike. 2). Next tell them you are going to hit the War Ministry and strategic targets, not all at once, but one per day until they surrender. Remember Japan had critical material shortages that caused the war, but your biggest weapon would be psychology, while your fleet is being rebuilt. 3). I'm sure your supercarrier has a technical library and archived tech manuals. Send one F-18 and one Grumman C-2 Greyhound back to the states. The C-2s Turboprops would be the easiest to begin replicating, but the F-18s jets, along with their manuals, should allow you to progress to the General Electric J47-GE-27 Turbojet, which powered the F-86 in less than a year. We build these in less than 5 years from scratch after getting the first Whittle engine in 1942. If you don't have nukes, you do have enough engineers on board - and computers, to throw together a nuke if you aren't carrying one. Bottom line is you don't need a fleet action. Pick off high value targets - only as needed. The less you are seen before you get your Navy back the better. Hell, just tell them how to solve the compressibility problem in the P-38 and you could really clean their clocks. You could shove a lot of P-38s with that mod on board the carrier after the F-18s are combat ineffective. You wouldn't even need catapults/arrestor wires for them. The P-38 created most of the Aces in the Pacific theater anyway and it was ready to go on day one of the war. That will give you time to build F-86s. It won't be quick but you'd knock several years off the war, even more if you can make the nukes.
Basically, go to Japan and say: Bring out your fleet or we will turn you entire country upside down They don't listen *Drops the weaker nuke* They now mobilize their entire fleet with some left to protect the mainland Then destroy key targets
Especially since America has the know how to entirely destroy an entire countries infrastructure. We did it to Iraq in 1 night. 1 Supercarrier could keep Japans refineries and dock yards down for years. And the fact that he doesn’t acknowledge that blueprints to every piece of hardware on those ships including blueprints to every weapon in the US Armory is accessible on there onboard systems is sad. The war on both theaters will be over year earlier and the Cold War will never happen (as long as the US keep the blueprints secret.) As well as they have a massive future telling device. They know everything thing that will happen and Japan’s entire doctrine.
Yes but let's not forget that a couple of well placed Tomahawk cruise missiles from a submarine (part of the task force) would certainly make a point cause they wouldn't know what the hell just happened, why, or where!
@@BratislavMetulski in case you forgot I said use the engineers (and computers) to construct one. Considering they have nuclear engineers on board, with a working reactor and the ability to build a breeder reactor it would not be that difficult, especially working with the scientists already present in that day. After all the United States did it without computers, or the knowledge in less than three years from start to implementation of their first plutonium bomb at Nagasaki. What makes you think it would take longer? Not that I believe for one minute there are no nukes onboard a carrier. By the way I got my degree in physics 8 years after my tenth birthday - fifty years ago. Perhaps you're better educated on the subject than I am.
@@dusteerq Never watched the Anime, but since it's using early 2000 3d models for the battles, I don't expect much. It's also much more of an military drama, so it's not for everyone. But the battles against the Wasp, and the evacuation/battle against the North Carolina were well done.
Short answer: yes Long answer: the soft, wooden decks of most vessels would be easily penetrated and modern munitions can single-handedly sink or render useless IJN vessels. You could probably finish the Pacific war within 10 playbacks of "Fortunate Son".
@Bob Watters If the destroyers use a depleted uranium ammunition on the modern 5" Mark 45 gun turret, it won't sink a cruiser... *It will shread it apart*
@@shadowkillz9606 umm I'm pretty sure 10 km is the range whatever cruiser you meant can reliably hit its target And sure the modern 5 inch can hurt a lot but a 1930s 8 inch gun would not be weak There's also that a modern destroyer is big and wide So even if a modern destroyer can sink a ww2 era Japanese cruiser It doesn't mean that cruiser gonna give up easily Of course this is gun vs gun And the destroyers main weapon isn't the gun
@@maiaodai8378 No matter the specifics of the guns are, my point still holds. Yes older cruisers are not to be taken lightly, but it's safe to say that modern destroyer are superior compared to older cruisers even with their larger firepower. They just are.
One interesting tidbit that wasn't discussed is the fact that US Carriers are very likely to still carry nuclear weapons on board... Dozens, with variable yields of up to 400kt. Which is the equivalent of over 25 Hiroshimas, each... The USS John F Kennedy was revealed to have carried up to 100 B61 nuclear bombs during the cold war. The government has also neither confirmed, nor denied whether or not carrier strike groups are still armed with nuclear capable gravity bombs.
And if the Iowa class battleships were dropped in that would've also been a point, as their main naval guns were capable of firing nuclear shells of the same yield as the little boy. If they managed to get close to the japanese shore it would've been risky but also an incredibly deadly way to bomb port cities
My dad was on the USS Forrestal in the late 70s, early 80s. He'll tell you that they had nukes on board. They made no secret if it, either. They lined the deck with marines to guard them as they loaded them into the armory.
It's way more than two eras.... especially in electronics and weaponry. There's simply no comparison. 1942-2012 is 70 years.... Think about just the average household from then til now and think about how the military must have advanced.
@@johnlee1297 You must have not played Civilization before. The game splits it up into general eras of history. You unlock World War 2 level of technology in the Modern Era, then there is the Atomic Era, and then the Information Era which we live in today. Thus 2 eras difference in the game between stuff like the first submarines and aircraft carriers to missile cruisers, jet fighters, and nuclear subs.
Here is something kinda trippy. In that movie, a supercarrier from 1980 travels back 39 years to 1941. As of right now, if we traveled back 39 years it would be 1981. We are as far ahead in the future from the carrier in that movie as that carrier was to the 1941 world.
I think there's a pretty good chance that the US forces, if they decide to, can prevent any ships from that first expedition from escaping. In which case the IJN still has no clue what happened or what they are against, crippling their ability to strategize how to beat it.
Not anymore. Since 2004 nuclear attack subs are no longer part of CSG, they operate independently, though often times they will patrol in the near vicinity of the CSGs. The reason of this is mainly due to not having enough submarines in the post cold-war era. Demand of submarines is too high, but supplies are not enough
There is a movie using the same premise but being the USS Nimitz being somehow transported to Pearl Harbor on Dec 6th 1941. It's called "The Final Countdown" Makes you wonder if that premise might have worked. Also the "CAG" officer and others knowing where the Japanese fleet was might have convinced the US carriers where to find the Japanese fleet.
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Imagine being a Japanese sailor in this scenario and being on a carrier when suddenly the ship next to you explodes out of nowhere.
it'd be about as unreal as the city next to you exploding out of nowhere
@@hashbrownz1999 get nuke'd 😎😎😎😎😎
“Never knew the Americans used dark magic”
-random Japanese sailor
I hope i die if we lose otherwise i will have to commit sepuku
@@hashbrownz1999 read in a book that everyone in the bombed cities thought a normal, albeit large bomb fell right next to them.then they went outside and it was exactly the same everywhere
Up next: Emperor Palpatine's imperial strike force vs Harvard's rowing crew...
Yes please!
Lmao
Hmmm what level of Tarkington Doctrine is that strike force on? Because I’m leaning toward the rowing crew I a cement canoe
That made me laugh
Harvard'd win. Imperials wouldn't be able to hit the finish line. They never hit anything.
Imagine being a Japanese engineer trying to reverse engineer a F18 just to find the words made in Japan on the electronics.🤯
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Masaka!?
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LMMFAO. And then trying to find the Japanese company that made it. That would have them pulling their hair out.
I think Japan seeing a 60ft fighter jet going Mach 1.8 loaded missiles and blowing shit out of the sky would be enough for a surrender long before fuel and ammo became an issue.
The U.S. essentially destroyed the Japanese navy, and stormed all the way to the Japanese mainland, announced plans to launch a total invasion, and dropped the literal sun on its major cities TWICE and did not surrender until it became a 2 front war when the Soviet Union declared war. Even then there were major mutiny and coup attempts to prevent a surrender. Zero shot they would’ve surrendered because of some futuristic fighters.
@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.
@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.
@@giant0mantis despite japans emperor surrendering there were multiple attempted coups and many military leaders who at least still didn’t want to surrender. They surrendered not only because of the atomic bomb. But that coupled with an impending invasion on both sides. Also if you watched this whole video you’d see the U.S. probably wouldn’t just be able to take out the entire fleet overnight like magic
@@nickolasjackson4902 "People that weren't in charge wanted to keep fighting" Yeah there are a lot of people that don't want to do what their leadership does, that doesn't change anything
Also an important part is, the Sailors and Marines in this strike group would probably have tons of knowledge of WW2 which alone would be incredibly devastating even without the actual ships
just get one time traveler to convince the Austrian painter not to attack Stalingrad and boom the Axis win WW2
@@bladedninja8853 They would still have to withstand like two other terrible high casualties battles, man.
@@bladedninja8853 even without stalingrad axis would still lose though
@@bladedninja8853 no lmfao. this is just so fundementally wrong
There is no strike group in this scenario. Just a carrier.
"Captain there are flying things that fly without propellers that shoot invisible bombs"
"That's not possible"
*Akagi sinks*
There was allready jet engines in the late 30s .. it was an experimental tech but not unheard of.. think of it like today ramjets and similar wich have prototipes but no in service anything yet... im sure if a NATO pilot would encounter today some russian fighter with ramjets it wouldnt go saying is magic or impossible
@@sparrowlt the first operational jet engine was in 36 but it did not fly until 41. Rockets and rocket engines had been used me 163. But this was not something the average pilot or a 19 year old sea man would have even imagined in 1942.
Hiryu, Soryu, and Kaga race her for the bottom before he can raise his binoculars.
@@sparrowlt They did not have supersonic fighters with radar guided missiles that could target other aircraft and splash them from five miles out.
The ME 262 would be severely outclassed by an F/A18.
@@Shutterbug5269 of course.. but the japanese pilots in this have no way of knowing that.. and actually they died not knowing.. the guy gunned down as far as he is aware was that (gunned down) and the other probably never even knew a heat seeking missile was homing on him
Imagine being a japanese bomber pilot fighting through the CIWS of the fleet and then you get strafed by a seemingly engine-less aircraft at quintuple your speed
@ Seen it.
I don't think said pilot would even survive that long. Especially if the CIWS was shooting the old depleted uranium ammo.
They knew about jet engines. They used one for their kamikaze planes.
@@steviejohnson378 Those weren't jet engines lol. Just shitty rocket interceptors
@@kellanroberts2785 Sorry my bad. Their jet aircraft in late ww2 was this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Kikka
"How many ships the IJN has"
"around 600 sir"
"damn we need to order a few resupply of missiles"
Based just on the load out showed on the video, they would have 5x the number of munitions than they would need. LGB 500lbs is capable of sinking the vast majority of those ships
The japanese lack of radar is what seals the deal. They'd have no idea where the carrier is because it would always know where they are and be able to keep a far enough distance where its strike groups could take them out while being out of the Japanese carrier's ranges.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee JP-5 is basically 99% kerosene, white kerosene is even closer. Kerosene is extremely common. In a pinch diesel and AVGAS will work, with reduction in max performance
Boom! Yes, Radar.
Having served in the Navy (Cdn), and worked with carrier groups, there is a slight flaw in this whole scenario.
It was specifically mentioned that a carrier strike group doesn't have a submarine. It is actually the opposite, it is extremely rare that you'll see an American carrier without at least 1 submarine lurking in the depths keeping watch.
Submarines once!
@@livid76 Submarines Twice!
Yes .. this was my major beef with this scenario as well. A supercarrier especially will always have at least two. They're just too valuable of an asset to not provide them with every tactical advantage (offense and defense).
Something to consider: The Imperial Japanese Navy had one extremely flawed practice: Damage control. Whereas the US and Royal navies trained every sailor in flood control and firefighting, the IJN had a dedicated damage control team that would have to be called in from their stations to make their way to the damage and fight or contain the fire and/or flood. The rest of the crew had no idea how to effectively perform these duties. Because of this, if a Japanese ship was set on fire, it tended to stay on fire.
They had several key flaws. But that was downfall of most damaged ships, could have been saved but ultimately were lost.
They carriers were also had a number of design flaws. Stored aviation fuel in the walls of the hanger. Enclosed hangers, better for explosions to out the sides than up. The deadly long lance Torpedoes that filled almost every IJN, sank a number of their own ships, in one case it exploded from a strafing run. Although damage control was able to save that one.
The US Navy had fire control teams, but didn’t train the entire crew until the Forrestal disaster in Vietnam.
@@Grandizer8989 true to an extent. The US did not do a good job after ww2 in keeping lessons learned during the war going after the big drawn down of experience soldier/sailors. But, in comparison of US Navy 1942 vs IJN 1942. The US was extremely better at damage control compared to the IJN. While both are lesser in comparison to modern Navy practices. But ww2 IJN is the example of what not to do, irony is they copied western nations practices which was the standard at the time. When they learned they needed to change it was already too late, they couldn't train new sailors quick enough to replace the ones they were losing.
Midway proves otherwise, damage control on the Yorktown was far greater than any ship from the Kido Butai, not to mention Yorktown had just been damaged at the battle of Coral Sea, but the carrier was fixed and present at midway just a few days later.
gd info, seems flawed 2 me, it wood tke mre tme 2 act n also wat happens whn v specialised damge control parties r injured killed?, dnt like v idea, everyone needs 2 have training in dc, ff n fa. sure have specilisd advanced dc party as well if v ship can afford em?
“Can one carrier group hold on against Japan” Well the Enterprise sure did.
Captain Kirk is a legend.
You overlooked an important factor: nuclear carriers carry nuclear engineers. They would have accelerated the Manhattan Project. The war ending nukes would be available years earlier.
Didn’t even think of this but you’re exactly right. It would probably be reasonable to expect they could have a bomb ready by the end of 1943.
The question would be how to use them, because at this point the Japanese people still have very high morale. Would you just blow up every major city? build tactical warheads for military targets and attach them to modern missiles? Difficult to say
@@MacTac141 The Japanese people had high morale all the way till the surrender, because they were led to believe they were winning convincingly all the way until that point. The bombings of Nagasaki, Hiroshima were a huge shock to them, and what most people don't seem to realize is that the firebombing of other cities actually killed more people and was worse yet on morale. There were a surprising number of japenese who were angry with their government for surrendering, even in the face of total annihilation, because for them, dying was honorable, surrender was not.
Made nukes by taking fuel from the reactors. And disabling the hip. While contaminating it?
@@charleslloyd4253 No, you wouldn’t have to destroy the reactor or even remove it. The ship would likely be anchored in an American port and have a constant flow of nuclear engineers going in and out. They’d build either a duplicate reactor or just use the lessons from the existing one to build a new one for plutonium production
After that you have both nukes and a nuclear carrier, whether they’d risk it at all is a different question as the things they could learn from a modern carrier in the 40’s is unfathomable
@@MacTac141 Even just showing them how to use an angled recovery strip would be a huge improvement in flight operations.
This would be a great idea for a movie we will call it The Final Countdown.
😂😂😂😂😂
One Ohio class nuclear sub vs ALL of Germany and Japan. Those poor bastards, have no idea.
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan if its a SSGN instead of a SSBN it doesnt hold enought firepower to effectibly defeat all their manufacture and military assets.. nuclear would do but with serious repercusions for nearby allies
I could have sworn that was already a movie or an episode of a tv show
Vladimir Lenin Commie it is
Decrypting Japanese and German coded messages would be child’s play for the average iPad on the American ships.
no need as v british knew/ broke v german codes at v start of ww2, eg vey knew pearl was goina b attacked but didint tell v yanks as vey wanted v reluctant yanks 2 enter v fight as we needed em. vey used v worlds first ( sry chinese-abacas) computer which was designed nbuilt in v 1800s in v uk, modified it n called it enigma. its why v allies won v war.
@@richtensail I just got a stroke by reading that
@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 wt p[art was shocking 2 u?, im curious?, al vis info is freely available n been in v public domain 4 decades. im happy 2 gve u mre info, ive noticed many dnt know history. cheers
@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 i rmber v first comp was desingned by a english woman n a scotsman in v 1860s.? it was v size of a house, it was put in a museum 4 60 yrs by queen victoriaas colecting dust. imgine creating v worlds first computer n v gvt says its very nice wewll put it in storage 4 v rest of ur life!. v elites didint understand its abilities, in 40s uk vey did n used it 2 win ww2.
@@richtensail First a stroke, now you're starting to put me in a coma
As a former Carrier crew USS Nimitz I would say yes for sure. The primary issue would be jet fuel exhaustion. It would need to be an all out fast attack.
Jet fuel would not be a problem
There's a big difference between a carrier and a carrier group. As long as the carrier has fuel, munitions and supplies to run, they would be untouchable.
Final Countdown is a great movie.
the carrier is nuclear so fuel is covered and they carry a lot of ammo and food for months o f fighting
and then if they used the new ford supercarrier it could plob take the entire 1942 japan sea force by itself
@@hunterbear2421 If the Destroyers used in this video was the Zumwalt destroyers with their nuclear reactors, there is literally no limit to how far and long the carrier group can travel. By themselves, the group can at least last for 6 months. So really, the US would get a huge upper hand above their already advantageous position.
@@shadowkillz9606 Zumwalts are gas turbine power.
@@hotshtsr20 Zumwalts are powered by 4 gas turbine generators*
There fixed it for you, you're welcome 😎
"Dr Oppenheimer, some of the reactor technicians from the USS John F Kennedy are here to consult your research program. They MAY be able to offer some valuable insight."
Not just that, but how about an actual integrated circuit chip let alone microprocessors in the hands of 1940 researchers still trying to figure out how they even make semiconductors. Oh so it’s done like that! Now of course that would put the infamous Radio Shack out of business almost instantly as tubes would cease to exist... Discoveries from the people onboard in advanced explosives chemistry, metals, materials science, and even simply air conditioning would ultimately become more valuable than the ships themselves. The technology they bring will be as valuable if not more so than the hardware itself as this magical stuff would simply be technology they just don’t understand....yet.
We used this person's "mobile phone" to crack all their cyphers.
@@scoutmaster33 The funny thing is, we'd probably skip straight past the cold war with this. Hell, the WW2 allies would have likely continued and pushed the Soviets out of europe with this big of an advantage.
Also, some clever folk could probably make some suggestions about giving some aid to the areas of Asia that were hit by Japan and not letting China become the monster it is today. Hell, they'd probably have to have one of their guys who studied history give a full briefing of our timeline. So they could hopefully avoid the pitfalls we fell into. At which point the only worry is if our politicians got drunk on this power.
USS John F. Kennedy was an oil-fired carrier. The last one, in fact.
@@BogeyTheBear they meant the new one, cvn-79, also named after jfk, not the old one - cv-67 - you are reffering to
Contrary to what the narrator says, attack submarines and supply ships WOULD be a part of a carrier strike group.
Ya, no US carrier travels with only 3 support vessels. Thats a myth for adversaries.
And if you think nothings lurking under the surface thats a you problem!
America cares more about submarines than stealth aircraft. They are literally the most elusive piece of americas nuclear arsenal.
A carrier strike group is most likley capable of 100-300 heroshimas and nagasaki's by blast force. Seeing as 1 modern nuke is easily 50x
The modern US carrier is unbeatable by 1942 standards, and that's even without its escorts. Early warning aircraft would detect any Japanese aircraft long before they could see the carrier and they'd be shot down if there was any threat of detect. The same early warning aircraft would detect the Japanese fleet as well. Super Hornets could attack the fleet with near impunity with laser-guided weapons that wouldn't miss and would likely destroy a ship with every hit. Maybe the battleships would take a beating, but they're not the threat. The carriers are targeted first and sunk with ease. The only real threat to the US carrier is a chance encounter with a Japanese submarine. Then again, submarines in that era sail on the surface most of the time, so the early warning aircraft would detect them at great distance and then a guided missile, say a Harpoon, could sink it with ease.
the problem is logistics. what about fuel? what about spare parts?
Watch the movie, The Final Countdown. It's about a modern carrier going through a wormhole to defeat the Japanese fleet in 1941. Movie was made in 1980. Starred Kirk Douglas. It had potential.
Except they don't defeat the Japanese fleet.
@@OnLyCraftthebest right, they decided not to because it would alter history too much.
The Final Countdown is definitely needs to be remade... but as a Mini Series. This time the carrier stays back in time, destroys the Pearl Harbor Strike Force and goes from there. Things to consider is how the U.S would handle such power along with the ability to jump light years ahead with nuclear, rocket, jet engine and computer technology via reverse engineering. Would the Cold War Happen or would the U.S threaten Russia with its super-weapon, would it become currupt and hold the world hostage? Also you have to imagine how the U.S Population would react when they see not only a non Segregated Crew but also ( if its a 2021 carrier) female pilots, officers and crew.
@@pablojose4890 They were about to but the wormhole opened up and they had to get back through.
@@cchavezjr7 you are right. Thanks for refreshing my memory - I saw it in the movie theater 40 years (too many brain cells) ago.
Imperial Japanese Navy: “Why do I hear boss music?”
Nimitz Class Carrier: *ANCHORS AWEIGH MY BOYS, ANCHORS AWEIGH!*
Considering the Japanese navy lacked adequate radar, they would be at the bottom of the ocean before they saw a single ship.
This scenario is very similar to the commodore perry incursion into Japanese ports. They had ships, but stood no chance against (at the time) modern warships and had to open the country up completely to trade or risk annihilation.
One problem the U.S. carrier would face would be the lack of GPS tracking technology for its guided weapons. It would be interesting to see how they would handle this problem
A lot of our munitions can be retrofitted to be used like dumb bombs
As an airline pilot, I assure you that we can navigate just as precisely without GPS.
@America that’s why they don’t fly in fog or bad weather
@America We use an E6B flight computer to calculate things such as time, distance, true airspeed, wind correction angle, etc.
This is technology that PanAm developed in the 30's. The PanAm navigation school is where the US Army trained bomber navigators.
And that type of "dead reckoning" navigation is literally the first form of navigation you learn in flight school to this day.
And we *still* have the ability to pick up surface based navigation signals (same thing they used back then - hell, some of the equipment is original to the period) just fine!
Now, go take a hike you little prick.
Dad Bod vs The World you just owned that man lel
@@medinbeqiri8346 Ahaha he deserved it!
GPS makes navigation easier and more convenient. But I assure you we were weren't up there just takin a damn guess before the 90's ahaha
Dad Bod vs The World I guess so haha
This is basically a gun, against a stick.
wrong
More like a 105mm howitzer from 1940 against a 105mm MBT cannon from 2016
no it isnt
its more like using an RPG to kill a guy with toy sword
ok i man 1 gun 6 bullets, 100 men wit large nasty looking sticks- i know whos gona win!
against an amry of sticks
More like "what if" the USS Nimitz found itself in the middle of WWII? Might be a good idea for a movie. What could we call it? I'll think about it while I listen to some Europe.
Have you read destroyermen? Kind of the same premise
The final countdown.......
Splash the Zeros. I say again Splash the Zeros.
@@ryanholder7728 thank you... I've been searching for about 20 minutes to find the name of that film XD
We can't effect history by letting them know we are here!
Shoots Captain. Launch all aircraft, we're going to war boys.
Probably do Hoorah to keep everyone commited, or something.
I'm British so I'd probably use a modern carrier to invade most of the planet or, more likely, threaten them into submission.
They have advanced capability.
And we have 12 of these ships, roughly. Maybe..ish.
Can you imagine a kamikaze coming in hot with the seaRAM system in operation?
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
To be fair they got less radar signature
Haven't watched this, but the only way the U.S. loses is if they run out of ammo lol
They don't run out of ammo. Engineers onboard know how to make the ammo needed and supplies to make them are readily available in the US
@@jimbob.2299 Would 1940's ammo work with modern tech? Serious question
@@mahchoo well Fighter Jet and ground attack pilots know how to use a Free Fall Bomb and Glide Bombs, so in my opinion, yes, it will work
***oil
The battle of beaulieu wood thinks differently
When they filmed the movie The Final Countdown . They had F14s fly by the actual ww2 planes and just the turbulence from the tomcats passing nearly caused them to crash. It’s a great story to read up on the filming of that movie. So in theory if some huge supersonic jets like the tomcat. Flew at actual top speed through a formation of zeros , it could cause lots of havoc without even firing a shot .
That was a good movie. I remember watching that when I was a kid.
@@Fried_11901 their knowledge was infantile compared to our infantile knowledge of these things
The "actual" planes were T6 Texans converted to look like Zeros. There are maybe 1 or 2 flyable Zeros left.
@@MrLucky3576 I think there is 1 and it doesn't have the original engine in it.
I think I can model morale:
U.S.: "We lost our entire navy!??!?!" -100 morale
U.S.: "An aircraft carrier from 80 years in the future has travelled back in time to defend our freedom with its advanced technology??!!!!" +100000 morale
AND THEY KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN? +10000000000000000 MORALE
Small carrier group filled with unexperienced sailors that will piss themselves at the first glance of hundreds of kamikaze pilots flying towards them vs the entire imperial navy with thousand of planes, ships and millions of disposable fanatical men..... Morale-1000000000000000000000000000000000
@@Riimaachan literally a single g61 avenger vs all that BS +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Morale
@@Riimaachan There were no kamikaze pilots until just before the end of the war in 1945. It was a last ditch desperation move after most of the Japanese fleet had already been lost. Besides, no aircraft in existence at the time would have any hope whatsoever of penatrating a modern carrier's defenses to crash into the carrier.
@@PanzerVII-df8hg introduce me to infinite ammunition and then we can talk, otherwise the carrier group will go dry in a week max
could a single F-22 save the Volga Bulgaria from mongol empire
no
yes
Could one man on trt from today arm wrestle a Russian brown bear from the 9th century?
no, it only have single digits missiles
Kinda reminds me of 1980 film The Final Countdown when the USS Nimitz goes back in time to December 7, 1941. Stars Michael Sheen.
Yeah, it had some beautiful F14 scenes
Did the f14s engage zeros, Kate’s, betts, Tony’s, Frances ect?
@@robertmiller5607 watch the movie
First thing I thought of when I saw this. Can't believe the OP didn't mention it.
The movie was a total let down.. they spent the first 60 minutes or so building you up for a great battle and then go f*ck yourself .. you just lost 40$ taking the family to the movies !!!
Already seen in "The Final Countdown", 1980, movie starring Kirk Douglas.
I've also seen it but I was disappointed to not see a battle.
Is good but as they said they are pulled out in time a actual battle would be cool
That's a neat movie
Also, RIP Kirk Douglas.
They would win the war within days. If not sooner.
"Splash the zeros!"
The 1980 movie "The Final Countdown" the USS Nimitz slips into a time vortex and goes back to 1941 just before the Pearl Harbor attack.
Spoiler on a 40 year old movie! 😎
@@simonsmith8974 jokes aside, how'd that even be a spoiler when it's just the plot of the movie lmfao
Was stationed on the Kitty Hawk when it came out the scene of it pulling into Pearl was us I was manning the rail for the shot, the Nimitz was unavailable I think they were deployed at the time, same thing happened in Top Gun Tom Cruise was an A-hole while he was on board wanted us to salute him not happening.
I always wanted to see them fuck up the Japanese navy in that movie
....aaaand then there's the Japanese version to some extent without cliffhangers unlike that movie, a Japanese Comic/Manga, Zipang in which also had an animated adaptation. To summarize, a fictional advanced/new version of the Kongo-class comparable to the US Arleigh Burke-class from the early 2000's was sent back in time before the Battle of Midway. That ship was on it's way to presumably the RIMPAC Exercise in Hawaii when it got sent back to WW2.
This video severely underestimates modern sonar and submarine detection technology.
As a naval aviation Ordnanceman, this is an impressive assessment on our weapon systems, aircraft, and capabilities. This is an extremely interesting topic to cover as well. Well done!
My grandfather, a seal, was always really pleased with how modern weapons made his job less important .. well not less important in my opinion, but his own opinion.
But he was a radio and signal specialist? Is that a thing? Thats what he said he was.
He would mention how fearful he was of these new systems we propped our accuracy upon going down, and causing ships or planes and ordinance to be lost to the fogs of war if the enemy stripped our new electronic advantages.
This video seems to express a little bit of that concern and I find it interesting.. but I'm a nanotech lab princess... I only know the stuff he told me about.
One fact that isn't considered in the analysis is that the carriers reactor engineers would have adequate knowledge of nuclear dynamics to accelerate the US A-bomb program by years.
And providing a sample of the jetfuel to duplicate. The jets would breakdown slowly tho w/o replacement parts.
No chanse, remember, some counties can't build a nuke and they have good universities, but the engineers can provide some information about radar technology, about CDMA transmission, the Japanese code can be uncoded with all modern laptops in few hours, also people from 1940 can use reverse engineering to build jet engines, etc... More than that the jet fighters can use the radars to spot when enemy planes are on flying deck, that mean they can use just the wings cannons to turn japanese carriers into a burning hell.
I am a former Navy nuclear technician. I operated reactors for years. I would be no use whatsoever in building a bomb. I have no clue how to do things like enriching Uranium, and I know nothing about explosives. I know more than your average layman about how atom bombs work, but after the 15 minutes it took me to tell them all I knew, I’d be making coffee.
Ghotiermann That’s okay, they still had the Manhattan Project your main value would be in telling them that above ground atomic testing was a REALLY stupid idea!
I think those people are different, some are for using it practically with application knowledge , trouble shooting then there are scientists who know how its made and works chemically etc are different people....
They actually made sci fi movie about this theory. It's a 1980s movie called "The Final Countdown". A modern US Carrier travels back in time a day before the attack on pearl harbor through a strange storm at sea. It's a nice movie.
I'll look for it
Reminds me of a Sat Trek episode
@@themajor2190 with Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen
That movie sucked since they didn't do anything with the concept. The only half interesting thing in that movie was some F-14s flying around some Zeros. And none of that "combat" made sense, not to mention a Zero would literally explode if hit by anything from an F-14's arsenal, not just slowly glide into the water. The only saving grace was that they used real Zeros
I think you're forgetting something: American engineers would be able to get a look at the fighters and ships in that battle group and, although they couldn't reproduce a lot of the high technology, what they would be able to do is leapfrog their current technology. They'd be able to build aircraft that would be advanced for the time, whether jet or piston propelled, and they'd be able to build bigger aircraft carriers with longer flight decks that would make doing things like the Dewey raid EASY. They wouldn't be able to build super advanced, guided missiles, but they would be able to build inertial guided rockets that could be carried by both the modern fighters (as long as they lasted), and by the new US aircraft that would result from exposure to future technology. Thus, the capabilities, accuracy, efficiency, and strength of the new US Navy and its weapons and aircraft would DRAMATICALLY increase, and there would be equal advances in technology for the Army and Marines, making them much more than a match for anything Japan would have, and making invading Japan a lot easier than it would have been using the technology of the time. Atomics would still likely have been dropped, but it's also possible that they wouldn't have been needed. Another possibility is that, with access to future tech, the atomics dropped on Japan would've been hydrogen bombs, which would have been a LOT more devastating than the basic atomic bombs we actually used.
One other thing: with the drastic leap forward that exposure to future tech would give the US of 1945, it's possible that Patton would've gotten his war with the Soviets, which the US would have won with that technology and bases in Japan and possibly China (since we would also have been able to support Chiang Kai Shek better against Mao). In any case, Korea would have gone VERY differently, even with the involvement of China AND the Soviet Union, neither of which had atomic bombs at the time, and neither of which would have had thermonuclear bombs or the technological advances that access to a modern US carrier group would have given the US. There probably would have been NO Cold War, because the Communists in both Russia and China would've been defeated, and both countries would've been remade as democratic republics. There would be no North Korea, and the entire world would look VERY different today.
WW2 technology could definitely produce a good assault rifle, and the Americans have the industry to make that gun ubiquitous.
That's the Butterfly Effect for you.
Range is key here. The US carrier group could hit and sink Japanese ships before they knew they were there. Same goes for aircraft.
only partly rite.
Especially since their doctrine did not use their own planes as recon. They used the cruisers float planes as recon or the planes of nearby airfields. So their information would always be a little lacking. Hell in Battle of Midway they were informed of the location of the Yorktown but were off by 50 miles closer and twenty miles to the east meaning their planes wouldn't have even been going to the right location.
Our ships are so fast, communication much better. Our ships could launch our fighters and full steam over a hundred miles to a new location and our planes could land, the japanese would have no fucking clue were our ship went thats if we let their recon planes get close enough to see us to report.
People forget that cloudy weather meant planes couldn't identify targets at all. Modern planes and ships can detect one another no matter the weather pattern.
Q. how exactly is the US carrier group going to find and hit Japanese ships without satellite and GPS navigation, in the middle of the Pacific?
Do you really want to be flying an F/A-18 without GPS?
@@w0mblemania They do this a lot actually. They run drills and training sims without GPS and Satellite tech often enough in case something where to ever happen to their array or something were to ever jam it. So they actually CAN operate in the same way the old Navy did too.
also there is a lot more chance that they would have japanese americans on board who can speak japanese and possibly even still have info on the codes they where using allowing them to crack 100% of the Japanese communication where as at Midway they only had a partial cipher.
@@TheLastSane1 Fair enough. Cheers.
This is actually a pretty cool video. Just like the film "The Final Countdown"
How about doing another scenario where modern U.S. Marines storming the beach on D-Day with some supports (maybe one or two MEU) and how it played out?
The doctrine of vertical envelopment nearly guarantees that the bloody beach storming tactics of yore would remain a thing of the past; the bloodiness that is. Modern amphib tactics would also better deal with defense in depth as marines and soldiers as well may choose to bypass enemy units nearer the shore and go against those enemy units inland in an attempt to cut off the beach defenders. Helicopters and better air and NGF support would enable these.
@@MrBinnie824 Though assuming it's just the ground troops and gear being swapped and not the supporting Navy and Air Force resources, it would probably go mostly the same due to the lack of the modern technology and resources that allows for modern tactics and support
@@ARavingLobster modern marines will probably fair much worse with their knowledge of what happened, most probably won't actually agree to go and their experience compared to the soldier that were at constant war for 6 years is very lacking
Depends on how many marines, without at least decent numbers, it'll be a bloodbath since conventional weapons really haven't changed all that much, kevlar helps, it really does, but when the beach is literally loaded with mg nests and enemies, it's not gonna save u all that much
I have a feeling someone watched “The Final Countdown”.
@@ExpectinSomeADifferentAlias same
I remember that movie when I was 10.
i did not remenber the movies name, interestingly the Technology of the movie was used on the War game Red Alert, the Chronosphere ...
The objective was to put ones fleet invisible or to cross vast distances in seconds... one Trial went wrong lol ...
Fascinating idea, could make a movie out of it, oh they did, ‘The Final Coutdown’
I can't help but think from a tactics standpoint the Carrier group would prioritize targets. I suspect night would set on the Pacific Ocean and the next morning inexplicably the entire Japanese naval group would have just disappeared with scant or little information on what the hell happened. By the end of the week, I would think parts of Tokyo would just start exploding in the middle of the night. With that massive advantage in intel and radar, the Japanese might never actually lay their eyes on the Carrier group. The fog of war, and simply not know what the hell was going on would probably be the most effective weapon against Japan. When your entire navy just starts disappearing, and you have not actually inflicted any confirmed damage on the USA that has got be debilitating. They would have no idea this was only one Carrier Group, could all USA ships do this? Japan's entire strategy was to get the USA to the negotiating table, and they knew they could not beat the USA in a prolonged war. When they can't even get a confirmed kill, they would have to be seriously rattled.
Funny, didn't mention that US Supercarriers have around 50-200 nuclear bombs a piece. Nippon would be a crispy critter by week two.
Not to mention that fallout would be minimal because nukes are airburst.
Or better yet, how about the entire 1940s Japanese navy vs. 5 modern ICBMs (any size, any capacity).
Downtown Tokyo vs Puff the magic dragon
@@arnox4554 the Japanese, because 5 ICBMs can’t destroy a whole fleet
@@whosagoodgirl5846 If they were really spread out, yeah, I could see that, but then, you don't need to kill every ship. Just knock out all the command and communication.
There was a movie made in 1980 called The Final Countdown that kinda touched on this scenario.
And if you like reading, a slightly more modern take on it was done in a book called Fighting Her Father's War: The FIghting Tomcats.
I don’t think the real morale damage was considered. Imagine being a Japanese sailor in a carrier escort group. When out of nowhere multiple ships randomly explode. Followed by the sound of the F18 without being able to see it. That would terrify anybody that had no idea what was happening.
What this scenario ignores is the psychological effect of the summary destruction of ALL of Japan's carriers in short order. As with Midway, after the loss of the carriers the Japanese navy was fatally wounded, never to recover and never to pose a serious threat to even the ww2 American Navy. So a modern US carrier would prove devastatingly decisive in the short term, and to a greater extent than even Midway. All of this ignores the psychological impact on Japanese sailors from experiencing the shock of unanswerable, unknowable ferocity while they found their ships suddenly destroyed by an unseen enemy. The ww2 Japanese Navy would not recover from the initial contact, end of story.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that Japan would immediately surrender after witnessing their Navy be obliterated by some unseen, god-like force with zero warning.
You are forgetting that they did not surrender after the first nuke.
But only after the 2nd
Just think if Yamamoto received a phone call from FDR, being told: “Look, we’ll sink 15 ships of yours in the next 8 hours, of which 4 carriers and 2 battleships, and you will not be able to do anything about it. If you do not surrender within 24 hours after the attack, Tokyo will be erased from the maps within 48 hours from now”.
The latter is just a bluff but after seeing the outcome of the first battle confirming the first menace, it may be effective.
I don't think so.
@@Threaopolieze ruclips.net/video/5hfYJsQAhl0/видео.html
What isn't taken into account is the serious loss of trained Japanese pilots and other navy personnel and Japan's inability to replace them.
Well it’s one career vs the entire Japanese navy in ww2
tink u mean v loss of usn personel!
This situation was contemplated in the 1980 movie The Final Countdown. In the movie the carrier Nimitz hits at strange energy storm which. have been transported back in time to December 6, one day before the attack. Captain realize they must have traveled through a time wormhole and has to decide whether to destroy the Japanese fleet and alter the course of history, or to stand by and allow history to proceed as "normal". They beleved they could take out the entire Japanese strike force. The movie is worth checking out.
My favorite line from that movie was when USS Nimitz was trying to communicate with Pearl and the response was along the lines of "bullshit, they'd never name a carrier after that guy"
After several seconds of determined consideration of this premise, I have decided that the most difficult part of this battle would be how the Americans would travel back in time to 1942.
1. Open minecraft chat
2. Type /time set day DEC71941
3. Press enter
Easy, wait 82 years
Without watching the video, but having been a part of the U.S. Navy's aviation division, I can honestly say a modern carrier would absolutely destroy the Japanese navy in 1941.
Yep, We could open Pandoras Box a little sooner. Lol
Every ship in that group has a minimum of 2 or 3 tech manuals for every single sslystem and part on board. Composition of jet fuel, maintenance records, schematics, soup to nuts everything can and has to be made on board at times. Maintaining the aircraft would be a matter of getting tech specs to US Military R&D and they could have all the work done quite quickly. We had plenty of chemists, metallurgical experts, engineers and mechanics, they didn't have the knowledge. The only issue will be computer parts as silicone chips and stuff are way beyond the pay grade of a Lt JG. They do carry boxes of stores and with the new upgrades to older planes and even new versions of planes, there would be no shortage of sorties off the deck. The torpedoes on the helos would be a MASSIVE upgrade to the US torpedo and would change the entire war in the Atlantic over night. And an earlier poster was right, a single reactor tech petty officer and the right weapons specialist could probably build you a nuke faster than Los Alamos because they didn't have to invent it from scratch.
Exactly, reverse engineering most of the technology on board would be fairly simple.
The hard (expensive) part would be mining and refining the uranium. They'd still need to build the Oak Ridge plant.
@NSResponder difference being they have all the reactor techs who know all about it already. Wouldn't take much to build because they know what to do. Took forever when they were groping in darkness for a lightswitch. It's like looking for a special store, once you've been there it's easy to find again. I can tell you, knowing some of the reactor techs, that their training went well beyond learning how to read the dials, but the education at reactor school goes into theory and a whole bunch of other stuff that's not common knowledge now but not hard to find or understand now, but Einstein would lose his mind over back then. Especially if you just so happened to be on a carrier with nukes on board. Imagine dropping a nuke on Japan that's 5000 times the power and thats not full yield. The world would cower at what we could do with just the jets, let alone the nukes. The threat alone would basically make the US the only global power probably for a century or more until someone else caught up, and we could prevent that because we know where the Uranium and plutonium and other rare earth metals come from. We can exploit them and no one else gets them, they can't do much without them. It's like going to a gold mine in the 1850s, you know how rich and where to dig so it's not guess work for you. Go to the founding of the Ford motor company, and buy stock. Sell just before the crash, and butly again a year later when it's barely worth the ink and paper. How rich would you be now?
I think one missed factor is that modern ships and aircraft still has cannons. The carriers have a few cwis that could shred aircraft and deck crews if the situation calls for it. Same thing with aircraft as they can support 20mm gatling guns and helis supporting either m240 lmg or a gau 21 hmg.
Edit: Also nighttime raids could easily be done since most ships in that era didn't have much tech for night fighting.
Well, a supercarrier battle group is quite a different thing than a single supercarrier.
In 1942 that would be considered a moving bermuda triangle... cause anything enemy suddenly vanishes.
The biggest weapon carried by the moden carrier would actually be the knowledge it carries. Lots of engineering manuals, and Navy officers tend to skew heavily to engineering degrees. Heck, the information in the textbooks for all the CLEP courses we took in the Navy would jumpstart the US industrial base.
Yes. There saved you almost a half hour.
The answer was clearly no. A single carrier group simply doesn't have the fuel, ammunition and ability to make repairs to destroy the entire fleet. Even if they could refuel they would run out of bombs and general ammunition, and if they reverted to WWII bombs then they could get shot down, and eventually the planes would fall apart due to not being able to get repaired.
@@jaybee946 I agree. But let’s be honest. The Japanese navy wasn’t really all that formidable. It would only take time. I disagree with some of the things in this video as well. The super carrier is equipped with a lot more than just radars and planes. So, theoretically, the super carrier and the fleet should take all, if not, most of the navy. Just my opinion though.
@@alfredthegreatfounderofeng1583 that's the thing japan during ww2 is actually not very strong and is considered weak by the us but idk how but japan managed to took up so much of asia and even gave a pretty good fight against the us navy. Its so odd
@@jaybee946 "The answer was clearly no. A single carrier group simply doesn't have the fuel, ammunition and ability to make repairs to destroy the entire fleet."
I think you are greatly underestimating the kind of firepower a single modern Carrier Strike Group is packing. Not only does the carrier have E-2 Hawkeyes which would detect ANY Imperial Navy threat before it could ever even hope to be in range, the carriers escorts, Arleigh Burke Destroyers and we'll say a Ticonderoga Class Cruiser has Harpoon missiles and even their SM-2 missiles have some anti-ship capabilities, 90 or so a piece they're packing times 3 since in this scenario the guy in the video is giving the Carrier 3 escorts, although realistically it would probably be 5 or 6.
Hypothetically, lets say Pearl Harbor happens, and A Carrier Strike Group is sent to retaliate, catches up with the Imperial Navy Fleet. They pretty much threw everything at us they had to bear at the time in 1941, all 6 of their current operational Aircraft Carriers. A modern carrier strike group catches them on their way back and completely wipes that fleet off the face of the Earth, then proceeds to the Japanese Mainland, unopposed, launches an Alpha Strike, blows up their shipyards, their factories, kills the Emperor, kills the Prime Minster, the war is over.
@@Threaopolieze They got their on the TARDIS, Churchill called them and The Doctor gave them a ride, bigger on the inside, big enough to give a carrier group a lift to 1941.
In reality a carrier strike group operates much larger than this. They have One carrier, three destroyers, one cruiser, one LPD and LHD, two submarines, and a AOE-R. That in of itself could probably make quick work of most of the pacific campaign. The submarines act as strike craft, while the aircraft carrier acts as a central hub. The amphibious ships would probably be paired with two destroyers to take islands. AOER would be with fleet main, composing of the carrier, the cruiser, a destroyer and the AOER. It would be brutal. The biggest constraint would be fuel and ammo.
Watch the movie “The Final Countdown”…the Nimitz goes through a freak storm and is zapped back to just before Pearl Harbor.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who remembers that one :)
I highly recommend the manga and anime "Zipang" as well, from a modern JSDF Navy perspective, absolutely amazing.
But, was it really a freak storm? You remember the ending, right?
The real power of a carrier 50 years after WW2 is not her firepower. It is her power in information gathering, electronic warfare, computing power, and crew expertise in science and engineering. She can be a god mobile command center and research lab for US in an entire WW2 battlefield. EACH of her planes can serve as an AWACS for a WW2 strike group.
You know what would be funny... If an entire Roman fleet fought a US destroyer from ww2. The Romans would be like: Alright boys Ram them and board em! *Roman ship attempts ram* And immediately they break into pieces. Then Roman ships board and find out the gun is mightier than the sword and shield.
I think the East India Trading company did something like this to China.
Parks one metal vessel near Hong Kong, wrecks their naval. Sells opium
The only way they could board would be if the destroyer crew was kind enough to drop them a ladder. A modern destroyer could sink any Roman galley by swamping it with their wake.
I don't even think the US would need to really fight the Japanese navy. Just sink a ship or 2 from beyond visual range, which could be done at a whim, and then do a quick show of force by flying some F/A-18s over and showing off their performance (something like a full afterburner supersonic pass around 5,000 ft, then immediately zip climbing to around 40,000 ft). I think the remaining Japanese fleet would just turn around and go home.
Screw honour they some how have the power of anime even though we invented it
You say fuel was a limitation, it wouldn't. Fuel oil (crude kerosene) was used in WW2 to power most warships at that time. This same fuel could be used to fuel modern day warships and aircraft.
corect n also vey used it 2 fuel ver jet fighters n long range rockets.
spare parts for regular maintenance would be the biggest problem. It would take a lot of time to create factories that would be able to supply some of it and for sure at that time there would be a lot of things that could not be produced, like electronic parts for example.
The most common ship's fuel during WWII was a tar-like petro substance called Bunker-C. It is NOT compatible with any sort of lighter fuel like kerosene.
@@standalonecomplex2195 usn isnt gona need spare partsa s ver fleet wood b sunk or surendered. if vey stayed a float mre van amnth yeah ur rite v ships etc gona b run dwn n nedd spares n maintenance which wouldnt happen as ver fighting n running constantly, not 2 mention v exhausted crews droping frm fatigue n injureis n vers no spares 4 them!.
The US tried to sink one of their own decommissioned carriers as a test. They couldn't sink it with their own missiles or torpedoes, direct hits for hours and it kept floating. The had to scuttle it from the inside using engineers and controlled explosives. I doubt the entire Japanese sub fleet could sink a modern carrier, even if it strolled up to visual distance of Tokyo.
Everyone gangsta until kamikaze squad rolls up
@@killerso_0138 search up Phalanx Point Defense and then scroll through the comments. You see hilarious stories of how idiots were tripping their sensors with thrown rocks on the other side of their final protective line. If zeros can survive through that kind of automated fire, I think the Japanese would have won ww2 with pilots as skilled as those.
@@tarantulathree-one8013 try again. Those were stories from the early days of these systems. Technology is always being updated. They use it Cousins to shoot down rockets and motoars at US bases.
But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942
@@Matt-mt2vi "But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942"
Unconcerned group commander letting them get in range of CIWS to make use of those munitions and save fighter ammunition for things that can't or won't come to them. A portion of everything the carrier group needs would have to be sent to the US mainland for study and design of factories to produce them, else the carrier and its escorts will become useless in short order.
@@tremedar you don't see how much jumping through hoops you are doing to get to that point.
1. Im not ignoring probability of bad or toxic leadership that can be found in civilian or in the military. But you are not going to find a unconcerned carrier commander that would put themselves in position like that. Not billions of dollars worth of equipment and up to 4k sailors. Even worth far more as it being the only operational ship.
2. They are not giving up weapons used to protect themselves. Not planes, Helicopters, nor their 600 some anti air missles on the 4 ships.
Also CIWIS 20×102mm ammunition was made in that era. Technology improvement would be faster if it came from on board engineers and manuals than the equipment itself. Even if they needed too they only need 1 or 2 of each.
Kamikasi only came around once they were losing the war and were basically minimal trained pilots from land bases.
So this is your reasoning, summed up. The carrier with such disregard of danger. Gave up all its air defense weapons guns and missles on all 4 ships to be studied (Or not enough to stop waves of planes to get by) Plus they gave up all their planes, so Ariel radar or CAP. And they got within what 30 miles of a Japanese island with an airbase, with almost no protection. For what reason would they do that?
The most important part of the carrier group would honestly be the computer tech and other modern tech they bring with them. It would obviously be studied by the Americans and the US would see an even bigger technological golden age. It would of course lead into a paradox, as the these ships probably would be way more advanced in our time if they got access to the tech int the 40ies. Time travel is complicated :)
Also theyd let people know about a bunch of communist spies like Oppenheimer so the Soviets aren't getting nukes until the mid fifties at the earliest.
This probably just generally leads to the even more insanely U.S. dominant timeline really.
@@GonnaDieNever A nuclear reactor in one of those supercarriers would probably lead to a massive growth in nuclear power in the west. But the computer tech would probably be the most important piece of tech. But it wouldn't be possible. The only way they could do the time travel without making a paradox, would be to stay away from it all. Any change would break the timeline. Most likely stuff would just end up like the same timeline as the ship came from.
They would be in a loop of godliness, since now present day things would be more advanced if a nimitz carrier was sent to 1942, but then when the modern carrier is sent back it will be much more better than the nimitz, this would go on until the us can literally create black holes or smth
Alternate timeline could fix this
True@@roastedturtle0820
It would be a turkey shoot. - Wouldnt even be a match. Thats not to disparage ships of that era. 80 years have passed. The same could be said of a WW2 battleship vs. a civil war naval task force. And the same would be true of a carrier task force 80 years from now vs. one from today. It is because of those earlier ship that we have what we have now.
Since Navy fuel is universal, the destroyers can use the same fuel as the jets on the carrier. There is equipment in place on the carrier to transfer fuel stores to other ships in order to increase their operational range.
If you had a modern aircraft carrier, it would be almost pointless to focus on the islands. With so much firepower, the ships would move close to the Japanese coast and take out all the Japanese decision-makers. Considering how badly Japanese subs did during wwii, I find it hard to believe modern ships would have any trouble detecting them at all. Even if a submarine did get a shot off against the carrier, the carrier could most likely outrun the torpedo.
The reality is that the carrier group would go on offense given it's inability to be everywhere and would launch devastating attacks on Japan until it surrendered. OR it could take out all the ports and make it impossible for Japanese ships to resupply. The reality is Japan just wouldn't have the firepower or resources to go on the offensive. Meanwhile, the carrier would be all but invisible while being able to launch devastating attacks and this is before ruling out the possibility of nuclear weapons being on the carrier.
This video focuses more on the more conservative methods where the modern fleet will operate in a more cautious manner. Ofc, if it were to decide to go all out it would easily do what you assume they could do.
no, japanese long lances wont be outrun by a carrier, but still it's not like the sub will get to launch before its detected
With that tech, I’d argue we would end the war in a few months. Not later but sooner. Only 1 strike group but that group has a huge range and if they dock at midway at all or simply just stay at pearl they control that entire side of the ocean. Japanese would run out of fuel before getting anywhere else
They made this a movie already.
im pissed off the movie never really explored the situation anywhere near as deeply as they oughtve
Which one?
"Battleship"
Thats the name of the movie
If im wrong, correct me
@@nicasioteran3973 The Final Countdown. It was 80's esk and they went back in time due to an electrical storm.
The premise is immediately flawed by discounting Battle group submarine escorts which ALWAYS accompany the carriers... ALWAYS.
Yeah... We've got no idea exactly what is escorting them too. Scariest thing about a US CSG is those unknown subs.
God help them if said Carrier had its entire battle group.
Can you say cruise missiles? I knew you could.
Lets not forget the ludicrous assumption that ww2 subs have the stealth capability to surprise a strike group. I think he forgot about the existence of sonar
@@NobleBlu Not to mention the torpedo said WWII subs would get up the ass from the dark hole in the ocean (modern attack sub) that they didn't see coming.
@@Shutterbug5269 yup
This was explored in the movie “The Final Countdown” in which the USS Nimitz sailed thru a wormhole to the hours before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
Nimitz class carriers carry up to 25 W class warheads (max 200kt) for their strike package. The AB's carry VLS systems with nuclear capability up to 1mt. The moment the carrier group was at Pearl, five nukes at 50kt on the Japanese mainland. War won within 1942.
No surface ship carries nukes. Only Submarines. Since 1992.
@@Wehavenevermet Yes, and everything the US military says is 100% truth. They never lie and have a track record of not hiding their capabilities to make sure that the bad guys are never 100% sure of what they are.
Muppet.
@@RifterBitchif we go this way we can say that the carrier group actually has a gazillion nukes an deletes Japan entirely, but that's just stupid
....since when did aircraft carriers deploy with cruise missiles? Those are on the escort destroyers, cruisers, and submarines big dog. Are you confusing tomahawks with some kind of nuclear weapon that can be placed on a F/A plane or some shit?
@@RifterBitchthe US doesn’t understate their nuclear capabilities-they are deterrent weapons so there’s no point in keeping them secret
*Given enough time, a carrier with a single F18 and enough missiles on board would defeat the Japanese navy*
The f18 is not capable of engaging submarines.
No it wouldnt
From my understanding, f18s have the ability to lay naval mines. So I think op is still correct lol
@@josephahner3031 yes it can given ww2 subs traveled on the surface.
@J D radar and distance. those 3 ships aa missiles.
A carrier group is never with out it's subs. When i was in the navy the carriers carried fuel for their escorts to top them off between oil tanker visits.
Note: modern fighters have CCIP targeting. Dumb bombs can be lobbed accurately.
Hollywood already made a Movie something Like this in 1980 called "The Final Countdown" the USS Nimitz goes through a Weird Storm at Sea and gets sent back to December 6 1941 it's a Good Movie
You didn't consider the possibility that the US carrier might have nuclear weapons on board. Which sometimes (often?) is the case. So it's possible to end the war in 1942 if those weapons had also been available...
"Sir the nukes arent ready"
"But we have nukes, here, you ca- wait, this shit is 10x worse than than the first ones.... YEAH LETS DROP IT*
@@anadaere6861 hell, just drop one of those into the sea next to a Japanese battlegroup and call it a day.
@@anadaere6861 *100x
@@Threaopolieze bruhh, you can always set a bomb on a timer, jerry rigging a nuclear bomb sounds much harder than it is. And calling someone stupid for suggesting an idea is kinda cringe, especially if its theoretical.
@@Threaopolieze Nukes don't "need" GPS to work. We've had nukes far longer than GPS - the only time nukes were used in combat happened BEFORE there was GPS. And, the kind of nuclear weapons carried by a US carrier battle group were most commonly the B61 gravity bomb. It's dropped and then falls to the ground, no guidance needed... And, where nuclear weapons do need guidance it's most likely to be inertial because that can't be jammed. It's not as though precision is super critical. That said, if they had the nuclear armed TLAM those don't need GPS either - given they use TRACON and inertial guidance.
Also, the codes and keys are on the ship. The US uses a system called permissive action links (PAL) and the obstacle to employing nuclear weapons is usually that it takes some number of people to collectively agree to use them. The code given is not typically to "unlock" the weapons, it's to authenticate the order and identify the target package to be used. The two person integrity and no-lone-zone concept are what keeps unauthorized weapon uses from occurring not a code the operators don't have access to.
Also, when a ship is at sea or a sub is at sea there are times when communications with the NCA might be disrupted and in that circumstance it might be necessary for preplanned actions to be executed - which would include use of nuclear weapons.
So much for keyboard commandos (i.e. "you") with big mouths and strongly held opinions but clearly no idea what they're talking about... The irony that you would call anyone ELSE stupid after the nonsense you just typed is rather amusing...
LOL it wouldn't even be a contest, Its like saying "If we teleported you back time with a baseball bat, can you beat up your preschool bully?"
Very interesting scenario, but two things not modelled are the modern sailors' knowledge of history and what effect the modern sailors' knowledge of technology would have on the rebuilding of the WW2 era fleet. Things like possible lithium-ion batteries for subs, homing torpedoes, radar, night vision, the fundamentals of helicopters, etc. That might be something for another video, maybe by a RUclipsr specializing in alternate history.
still would take decades to build up the industry/tooling/skills to produce that equipment....it would happen MUCH faster, but would still take time.
*After WW2, a lot of professionals in the USA had strong sympathies for communism = that is how Russia developed their own nukes so quickly. So all this modern tech would be leaked as well.
@Imagination Is Power Setting aside inherent strength loss with 'Power Projection', destroying a destroyed country is actually a LOT harder than an advanced country.
The USA is the strongest country (militarily) in terms of 'Power Projection'....BY FAR! But that doesn't mean they can beat a country like China (for example) by invading it. The USA could only project a tiny bit of its power in China...while the Chinese could bring everything they have to bear.
But NOBODY can even hope to project power (invade) the USA....well, except millions of illegals streaming from South America, of course.....
And then there's the reaction from other countries. Word of a super carrier appearing out of nowhere and destroying the Japanese Navy would surely spread like wild fire.
I'd like to imagibe how Britain, Nazi Germany and Russia would react. No doubt Hitler and Stalin would like to get their hands on the modern tech or force their countries to start making similar weapons.
Imagine Nimitz's reaction when he gets a 21st century carrier that's *named after him* to blow up the IJN......
McArthur and Nimitz is gonna have some fun raising temperatures in Asia
FYI one carrier did hold the line while the fleet was rebuilt, she was CV 6 the USS Enterprise.
As her sister carriers Hornet and Yorktown were taken out Enterprise held the line as the lone large carrier in the Pacific for nearly a year.
Jeep carriers joined her quickly but were not as strong as Enterprise.
The Grey Ghost is one on the most legendary ships in U.S. Navy history and the most decorated.
The Lexington /"Grey Ghost"/"Lexx" (final model) is moored at Corpus Christi Texas. It is really cool to take the tour through it. ;)
@@SogoTX The Enterprise was called the Grey Ghost because the Japanese reported sinking her on several occasions and she always turned up to fight again.
@@SogoTX Lexington was the Blue Ghost because of her blue camouflage and propensity for being reportedly sunk multiple times.
Scrapping her was a travesty, the least she deserved was to be preserved as a museum like the Intrepid.
@@SogoTX I've been to see USS Intrepid in NYC myself.
this almost sounds like the plot to final countdown
It is, but the movie avoided answering the question.
Splash the zeroes. Repeat, SPLASH the zeroes!!!
Someone saw the old 80's movie the Final Countdown where a super carrier went back to 1941 through a time portal.
In the movie it was the USS Nimitz
That's not a bad movie. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet.
@@asdf51501 I appreciated the serious direction they took with the many good conversations but I think people need to realize before going in that it doesn't end with jets fighting Zeros.
@@asdf51501 The F-14s performing those maneuvers alone is worth a watch.
I've watched it a dozen times. Even got my son to watch it. I wished the ending was a little bit diffferent. Not giving anything away. Interesting fact, the navy helped make the film in return for the free advertising and allowing navy recruiters at theaters. According to wiki and imdb.
The most dangerous asset would most likely be the crew to be fair. Assuming that the crew are also teleported to the past with all their knowledge about history would mean that they'd be able to predict a lot of what Japan would try in the war.
It's like when you're playing Civ and the enemy you're attacking is two generations behind.
Yeah and a barbarian with a club destroys your elite tank division... oh those were happy days.
@@neddhu ooga booga
@@binal-flecki2387 when I see India using P40 warhawks in pair with Giant Death Robot
Although the question, if one supercarrier fleet could win against the Japanese navy, a single nuclear submarine could do the job.
1: Demand unconditional surrender.
2: If denied, fire a nuclear ICBM on the mainland.
3: Repeat.
this is basically what happened, but this time with newer toys
@Nathaniel De Sagun Roman shokugeki no soma
So, just a few thoughts.
1). Contact the Japanese, tell them that at Noon, the next day, you are going to take out the Battleship Yamato. Tell them no matter what they do the Battleship will be destroyed, since it is their largest ship you send in the F-18s and have them fire missiles at maximum altitude and then return to base. The next day you tell them you are going to hit the Carrier Soryu. Tell them who their commanders are before each strike.
2). Next tell them you are going to hit the War Ministry and strategic targets, not all at once, but one per day until they surrender. Remember Japan had critical material shortages that caused the war, but your biggest weapon would be psychology, while your fleet is being rebuilt.
3). I'm sure your supercarrier has a technical library and archived tech manuals. Send one F-18 and one Grumman C-2 Greyhound back to the states. The C-2s Turboprops would be the easiest to begin replicating, but the F-18s jets, along with their manuals, should allow you to progress to the General Electric J47-GE-27 Turbojet, which powered the F-86 in less than a year. We build these in less than 5 years from scratch after getting the first Whittle engine in 1942.
If you don't have nukes, you do have enough engineers on board - and computers, to throw together a nuke if you aren't carrying one.
Bottom line is you don't need a fleet action. Pick off high value targets - only as needed. The less you are seen before you get your Navy back the better. Hell, just tell them how to solve the compressibility problem in the P-38 and you could really clean their clocks. You could shove a lot of P-38s with that mod on board the carrier after the F-18s are combat ineffective. You wouldn't even need catapults/arrestor wires for them. The P-38 created most of the Aces in the Pacific theater anyway and it was ready to go on day one of the war. That will give you time to build F-86s.
It won't be quick but you'd knock several years off the war, even more if you can make the nukes.
Basically, go to Japan and say: Bring out your fleet or we will turn you entire country upside down
They don't listen
*Drops the weaker nuke*
They now mobilize their entire fleet with some left to protect the mainland
Then destroy key targets
Especially since America has the know how to entirely destroy an entire countries infrastructure. We did it to Iraq in 1 night. 1 Supercarrier could keep Japans refineries and dock yards down for years. And the fact that he doesn’t acknowledge that blueprints to every piece of hardware on those ships including blueprints to every weapon in the US Armory is accessible on there onboard systems is sad. The war on both theaters will be over year earlier and the Cold War will never happen (as long as the US keep the blueprints secret.) As well as they have a massive future telling device. They know everything thing that will happen and Japan’s entire doctrine.
Yes but let's not forget that a couple of well placed Tomahawk cruise missiles from a submarine (part of the task force) would certainly make a point cause they wouldn't know what the hell just happened, why, or where!
i am sure your engineers will put together a nuke just like that 🙄 how old are you? 10?
@@BratislavMetulski in case you forgot I said use the engineers (and computers) to construct one. Considering they have nuclear engineers on board, with a working reactor and the ability to build a breeder reactor it would not be that difficult, especially working with the scientists already present in that day. After all the United States did it without computers, or the knowledge in less than three years from start to implementation of their first plutonium bomb at Nagasaki. What makes you think it would take longer? Not that I believe for one minute there are no nukes onboard a carrier. By the way I got my degree in physics 8 years after my tenth birthday - fifty years ago. Perhaps you're better educated on the subject than I am.
Weebs Isekai into a fantasy world into a harem. Real men Isekai entire carrier battlegroups to defens Hawaii.
indeed specifically the 7th carrier fleet since they probably can speak japanese
There's an actual Manga where a modern Japanese destroyer (Yukinami class) gets Isekai'ed to 1942. Zipang for anyone curious.
@@Deckaio i've watched anime it was pretty cool but it wasnt my type
@@dusteerq Never watched the Anime, but since it's using early 2000 3d models for the battles, I don't expect much.
It's also much more of an military drama, so it's not for everyone. But the battles against the Wasp, and the evacuation/battle against the North Carolina were well done.
@@Deckaio watched that old anime some time ago it was very good
Short answer: yes
Long answer: the soft, wooden decks of most vessels would be easily penetrated and modern munitions can single-handedly sink or render useless IJN vessels. You could probably finish the Pacific war within 10 playbacks of "Fortunate Son".
Even CIWS gun can rekt a cruiser
@Bob Watters If the destroyers use a depleted uranium ammunition on the modern 5" Mark 45 gun turret, it won't sink a cruiser... *It will shread it apart*
@Bob Watters Not if the destroyer fired from 10+ km. *The cruiser has no chance.*
@@shadowkillz9606 umm
I'm pretty sure 10 km is the range whatever cruiser you meant can reliably hit its target
And sure the modern 5 inch can hurt a lot but a 1930s 8 inch gun would not be weak
There's also that a modern destroyer is big and wide
So even if a modern destroyer can sink a ww2 era Japanese cruiser
It doesn't mean that cruiser gonna give up easily
Of course this is gun vs gun
And the destroyers main weapon isn't the gun
@@maiaodai8378 No matter the specifics of the guns are, my point still holds. Yes older cruisers are not to be taken lightly, but it's safe to say that modern destroyer are superior compared to older cruisers even with their larger firepower. They just are.
One interesting tidbit that wasn't discussed is the fact that US Carriers are very likely to still carry nuclear weapons on board... Dozens, with variable yields of up to 400kt. Which is the equivalent of over 25 Hiroshimas, each...
The USS John F Kennedy was revealed to have carried up to 100 B61 nuclear bombs during the cold war. The government has also neither confirmed, nor denied whether or not carrier strike groups are still armed with nuclear capable gravity bombs.
And if the Iowa class battleships were dropped in that would've also been a point, as their main naval guns were capable of firing nuclear shells of the same yield as the little boy. If they managed to get close to the japanese shore it would've been risky but also an incredibly deadly way to bomb port cities
My dad was on the USS Forrestal in the late 70s, early 80s. He'll tell you that they had nukes on board. They made no secret if it, either. They lined the deck with marines to guard them as they loaded them into the armory.
This is like a Civilization game when you're two entire technology eras ahead of the enemy.
It's way more than two eras.... especially in electronics and weaponry. There's simply no comparison. 1942-2012 is 70 years.... Think about just the average household from then til now and think about how the military must have advanced.
@@johnlee1297 You must have not played Civilization before. The game splits it up into general eras of history. You unlock World War 2 level of technology in the Modern Era, then there is the Atomic Era, and then the Information Era which we live in today. Thus 2 eras difference in the game between stuff like the first submarines and aircraft carriers to missile cruisers, jet fighters, and nuclear subs.
Carrier wins in 1 day. Fires 2 nuclear tipped tomahawks. Game over man.
Lol... 2 tomahawks named Fat man and Little boy 😭
Someone had been watching *"The Final Countdown"*
Here is something kinda trippy. In that movie, a supercarrier from 1980 travels back 39 years to 1941. As of right now, if we traveled back 39 years it would be 1981. We are as far ahead in the future from the carrier in that movie as that carrier was to the 1941 world.
Check out the book series Axis of Time. Literally about if this happened and they got involved.
I think there's a pretty good chance that the US forces, if they decide to, can prevent any ships from that first expedition from escaping. In which case the IJN still has no clue what happened or what they are against, crippling their ability to strategize how to beat it.
I would argue that there is always a fast attack sub in a carrier strike group. They’re unseen
Not anymore. Since 2004 nuclear attack subs are no longer part of CSG, they operate independently, though often times they will patrol in the near vicinity of the CSGs.
The reason of this is mainly due to not having enough submarines in the post cold-war era. Demand of submarines is too high, but supplies are not enough
There is a movie using the same premise but being the USS Nimitz being somehow transported to Pearl Harbor on Dec 6th 1941. It's called "The Final Countdown" Makes you wonder if that premise might have worked. Also the "CAG" officer and others knowing where the Japanese fleet was might have convinced the US carriers where to find the Japanese fleet.
Well, it’s the final countdown all over again.