It's an rx 580 **2048sp**. Meaning that it's actually just an rx 570 with a small overclock. You can try the rx 570 drivers, or flashing the normal rx 570 BIOS onto it. EDIT: Forgot they used the same drivers for all polaris cards. Try flashing the normal 570 bios, and install drivers again. Could also be that windows tries and install older drivers.
There aren't separate drivers for the 570 and 580, they use the same ones that are used for all amd polaris cards. It's possible the china specials like the rx 580 2048sp aren't supported properly in all standard drivers though idk
The Adrenalin drivers are the same. My best guess is that MLLSE harvested the GPU core or memory from a card that had little-to-no life left to begin with and the symptoms of GPU death only began manifesting now. Dawid can test this by underclocking the core or memory. If it's stable at lower clocks, then the recycled components are just too degraded to run at stock settings.
Also mostly of Aliexpress GPU sellers use refurbished mining graphics, with possibly 1 year of life left if you're lucky, I buy pc components from Aliexpress but never power supplies or graphics lol
I think i can explain the GPU shipping price, i live in brazil and here any itens bought that has a price higher than 50 dollars USD is taxed in 92% of the value, making us pay basically double the price. Some vendors noticed that and started putting some of the itens cost on the shipping, because the shipping isnt taxed
Haha same, I live in Turkey We had a 10€ tax-free limit but now the limit is gone and tariff rates are indiscriminately high At least you can pay less taxes with the shipping price
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue You are not wrong. 😂 AliExpress and Amazon Canada specifically have very similar stock. Most of the stuff on AliExpress is also on Amazon.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah it is basically the same just different names otherwise the same though AliExpress is a funnier name but the same basic products and prices🤣
I’ve had the same problem with AMD cards. Windows installs the drivers at the same time, corrupting the AMD downloaded driver. Disable in device manager, and redownload through the AMD app, and it works. Don’t let windows update, or download the driver.
in this particular case the problem is more reoated to that rx570 and gpu bios, surely is a mined to death gpu reconstructed to be a fake 580 i personally use amd gpus and never had what you describe but i buy new gpus, never mined gpus
@@Tibiiah good to know mllse isn't worth it. I bought twice from soyo now and happy with both purchases, so that is worth a shot of you're looking for new hw.
That 580 2048sp if I remember is a Chinese market mining card. It's just a 570 rebadged, more than likely you could look at replacing the bios on the card with a actual 570 and I'm sure it will work. Worth a shot.
AMD's Adrenalin drivers officially recognize the card. Look at 14:13. I think the GPU hardware itself (which is definitely harvested from a dead 580) has just degraded to the point of not being able to run at stock clocks.
@@steph_on_yt Of course they do. They check the vBIOS and the card tells you what it is, even if it's wrong. This is a known scam Chinese sellers play. They take older cards, modify the bios so the system sees it as a different card and even installs the correct drivers, but then you run into weird issues like system crashes, gpu crashes when you want to use all the VRAM, etc.
It is not a mining GPU, just a special SKU for Chinese market. However, almost all the RX 5X0 card you can find in market are used for mining for extend period of time so probably the card is simply broken
@@BrunodeSouzaLino but this isn't a scam card. The RX 580 2048SP is an official China-only SKU quietly launched by AMD in 2018, a year after the vanilla 570/580. It's the same as the 7900 GRE (before it launched globally) and the very 7500F shown in this video. Hell, even intel made a bunch of weird China-exclusive SKUs like the i5-12490F "Black Edition" which is basically an overclocked 12400F with more L3 cache. These one-off SKUs usually don't come in retail packaging and are destined for internet cafes.
14:39 Welcome To The Windows Update-hell with AMD drivers. Too often I have burnt my nerves after updating AMD drivers from AMD site, only Windows do a Windows thing and "updating" AMD drivers to WHQL Certified ones from Windows Updates.And those are ages old, and Adrenalin AMD Software will not work with them, due version mismatch. You need matching version of Adrenalin software - good luck to find it. :D And WHQL package doesn't contain AMD Software. I expect that el-cheapo AMD card to be some OEM version based and due that Windows like to be "helpful" and making your life fun...
@@crusifficadus it may not work in this scenario: 1. Driver already was preloaded. 2. Gpu was crashing with reboot. So, after reboot, windows will totaly ignore "not install" setting and install older driver anyway. Or not. It's totally random. I found that most reliable way is thru DDU "prevent windows driver update" setting.
Use Device manager to roll back to the new driver you just installed. It will do more then just roll back it will also mark the driver from window update to not be installed again preventing the issue from happing again.
@@delancre5858 I somehow got my 5600 XT to work after clearing Windows update cache, disabling the update driver policy, DDUing and reinstalling drivers
Memory training can take a VERY LONG time, like theoretically up to 15 minutes or something, so you need to be much more patient when you boot up an AM5 build for the first time and also make sure that you have the monitor plugged in BEFORE you turn it on. Also, did you update the BIOS (with other ram sticks) and then try the original memory sticks again? Did you try one stick at a time in the primary slot?
When the video first started the first thing that came to mind seeing all the packages on the desk was - 'Why did he rob a Chinese laundry for PC parts?'
I would be willing to bet it was in the middle of Memory Training the very first time you Powered it On & if you just shut it off to connect the Display & Mouse/Keyboard than rebooted it was probly frozen in the state it was in because it did not have time to finish Memory Training, this can cause all kinds of issues. You are lucky the Motherboard wasn't Bricked. It posted when you added New RAM because it had to Re train the Memory.
Dawid...how the hell did you become one of my favorite RUclipsrs? The tech is jank, the projects are spit-balled, and you don't even know how to pronounce "w"! And yet, every video delights and I find your consistency truly inspiring!
@@AnnaDoesyou and Dawid should have a build off.. ye have a certain budget. Have 1 day to source your components.. then when they arrive have a build off and compare then tests
When I bought a rx 580 from AliExpress, they had the wrong bios flashed on the graphic card. I had to find and flash the correct bios in order to get it to work. Took around 8 hours for me to figure out. As long as no drivers where installed the card would work fine, but the minute you installed amd drivers it would crash. My guess is the bios is wrong.
I actually own a 5 7500F, it's pretty amazing entry-level AM5 CPU and definitely worth loosing a few Ghz and the iGPU for a cheaper price. It's sold in the Philippines.
It's easily the best CPU AMD has ever released, 100mhz less than the 7600 at stock for way less money. And you can overclock it! Ive got one on the way for my pc. Planning to tune it to go crazy fast with buildzoid's easy hynix ddr5 timings, Maybe ill be able to push the cores to 5.5ghz?
Yo guys, Im looking to buy a 7500F but I dont know which sellers on aliexpress are legit, any of you guys could kindly drop a link to where you bought the cpu? I would appreciate a lot
Coolers are fine but quality of fans isn't great. I still use one with aftermarket fan, 6 heatpipe version. But at time I bought that one nothing similar was available for that money, today you can get decent air cooler everywhere for similar money so I don't see point of getting them from AE anymore. But I saw $10 4 heatpipes cooler from time to time, I'll probably get one just to see how it handle 65W TDP CPUs, they still can be decent replacement for box coolers.
The fact that it is a 580 2048sp shouldn't be the main issue here. I had my 580 2048sp a few years back and had no big issues with it. What I think is happening is that the aliexpress RX580 was a retired mining card, which silicon had degraded enough for it to no longer be stable at stock clock speeds.
I don't know if it is just me, but the way that the PSU blocks the ventilation and the way the power cable is in the way...I wouldn't be able to do it. I would physically not be able to complete the process as something in my brain would say "NO!". Not talking about any safety issues etc. Just something else I can't pinpoint. So...I assume free shipping return of the GPU and replacement by the seller with another one? Right? Right?
My 6700XT also used to do the driver corruption thing (unless I restarted the system within seconds of the signal loss) but instead of it happening under load it would just do it randomly (and much less frequently tbf), often after alt tabbing and such. After some windows reinstalls and ram swaps it works completely fine (aside from weird flickering issues while playing media with hardware acceleration turned on), so it might be some kind of AMD bug that's just rare enough not to be caught by their driver team.
i thought i was the only one with this problem because i searched for this problem and it seems no one has it. i really thought my 6700xt was going bad. after countless of hours and days of testing and finding the culprit, i narrowed down to 2 problems. first is the pcie power cable is loose (because i noticed a bit of burnt marks on the pin) or my psu decided to went into fail safe mode. second is overheating. even though my gpu temp is at 78C and hotspot at 100C. my vram is going way above 110C. so i had to re paste and replace thermal pads. right now it works again without crashing. tl;dr : sometimes after a crash, a popup always shows there is a problem with a driver even though the driver is fine.
@@caerxm I don't think I've seen burn marks on the pins even if they did come slightly loose at times but I only have a 550W PSU so it might have to do something with that. Well, it might or it might not, since in my case it never just happened mid game regardless of how much power the CPU/GPU pulled, and I always had to either click on something in on the desktop or often simply alt+tab out of the game/some window to crash the system. My GPU temps also used to be very high (105+ degrees on the hotspot) because at first I only looked at the main temp reading which never even went above 80-ish, so I thought I could adjust the fan curve to make the card even more quiet. Since then I've tweaked that a bit and now my hotspot rarely even hits 90+ degrees and I also haven't had any crashes in a while so that might also be related, but again wouldn't it make sense then for the system to crash mid game while the temps were at their highest? Idk, I'm really not sure what's going on, but I'm not too bothered since it seems to be mostly okay for now.
10:09 so a bit of a correction, even though the overall layout is STILL really bad given the airflow patterns, it used to be very common to use your PSU as the exhaust for your computer. That's why it used to be far more common to have top-mounted power supplies as opposed to bottom-mounted ones because of the exhaust.
Gotta say though, I've bought all highly-rated premium parts through Amazon and Newegg before and wound up with two DOA parts, and dealing with ASUS customer support is a worse experience than most Aliexpress sellers.
17:08 that's probably from your lack luster cooler and not the chip as AM5 is meant to boost clocks til it hits 95c. im sure with a better cooler itd be only 5%slower instead of 10%
I had an RX 580 2048SP as well, and it was odd. Overall it was an okay GPU, except that the latest drivers straight up made all VR games crash in less than an hour of playing them. Reverting back to drivers from 2020 helped me, apparently some more recent ones were also fine. Probably not your problem, but sometimes those things are a bit weird. Replaced it with an Intel Arc A580 and had to struggle there with needing a new CPU with ReBAR as well, otherwise the performance was horrible. I'm just unlucky lol
Hm... it's a pity you didn't try the "RdN,ID" community drivers for RX 580 2048SP, it would most likely solve the problem with VR games. It's also a shame you didn't try the open source project called "ReBarUEFI", which allows you to enable Resizable BAR on older PCs (even those with 2nd generation Intel Core CPUs - which is a 2011 CPU for a minute!)
In my experience the worst is KingFast (not KingSpec, these are actually good). I used to sell pre-builds with these at work and they ALL came back defective withing a year. It was so bad the supplier changed brands, which I never expected them to do.
@@ertugyigitgezici7634 Best option imho is relying on Gen 3 drives pulled from OEM systems actually sold on ebay. Pretty cheap at 15€ for 256gb and 25-30€ for 512gb, mostly coming from HP but from Hynix, WD and sometimes Samsung.
@@alexisaudoin2272 Same with a lot of Chinese SSDs, there are some good brands but majority are junk. Worst is ELSA were all of them arrived defective or on the brink of death lol. I have a Puskill drive that works, but sometimes it will just freeze and become completely unresponsive, Netac SSDs have worked fine for me aside from being very slow. Brands that have been good: Fanxiang (and any re-brands, that are manufactured by LDCEMS/Lingdechuang, so that includes, Fikwot, Ediloca, ASDK) this is my go-to brand for SSDs and the best I've personally used from a Chinese brand. Kingspec Kingbank Maxsun/Teclast Lexar Hikvision/Hiksemi Basically anything else I've used from a Chinese brand has been junk. ESPECIALLY ELSA. Do not buy ELSA SSDs under any circumstance.
the 7500f is available almost everywhere in the west. germany for example has them in retail for ~165€ and around the same in many different online stores.
Connect the ram and gpu to another system. If they work there, then the auto settings in bios may pre-set incompatibly. You may need to bios change up or down or set it manually to get it to work, stock. Assembling thousands of PC's in my life has proven to me that there are sometimes strange unexplainable, intermittent even, incompatibilities between seemingly random components that should prima facie, just work out of the box.
You might get the memory working by updating the BIOS. DDR5 support has been constantly updated on BIOSes, initially there was only a dozen or so kits you could run.
Hi, when I run into some of boot issues, I install the speaker on the motherboard. It should give some beep codes that can help to isolate the problem. Years ago all motherboards use to have speakers. Remember that single beep when your system is booting properly? I love your videos!
2:10 it is u can buy it in almost every shop, just checked its in the biggest PC online shops and its avaiable, 4 months ago i made pc for someone with this CPU and cheap am5 gigabyte mobo.
Go for a MACHINIST X99 PR9 Motherboard Combo (Xeon LGA 2011-3) these are cheap as chips and some offerings include cpu and some ram. Some of those RX580s are "refurbished" chips and may be not neccesarily stable.
MLLSE is an ASRock sub brand in china, the card is official (but likely B stock) and the problem is most likely software related. DDU, disable driver auto updates install the proper polaris driver (all polaris cards use the same drivers) you can even use nimez drivers if needed, could also be a bios issue but then you just swap the bios or reflash it. As for the ram, its very likely the system was doing memory training and you shut it down in the middle of doing that, luckily it didnt brick your motherboard or anything else but it would explain the memory failure. I doubt it'd be the chips since currently there are only 3 DDR5 IC manufacturers and they're samsung sk hynix and micron.
it could be a bios modified GPU, take in count that it is the rx 580 2048sp which is usually a bios modified card for better mining. I compared your bios (which you showed in the video 17:36) to the supposed bios you should have and they look like they are the same version, however there could be a missing digital signature in the VBIOS since it is an off brand version of the rx 580 2048sp, so I could suggest to flash the bios into an official one and try if that works out. Nice video!
Hey Dawid, just so you know, the 7500f is available in Europe. It’s basically the standard recommendation for any budget am5 build right now. Nevertheless awesome video as always! Edit: Really suprised that it isn’t available in the US tbh. Edit 2: I just noticed that the "580" is actually showing as the 580 2048SP which I is a Chinese variant. It performs like a 570 but I’m not sure if it would run with the normal 580 drivers. Based on the video I guess it doesn’t though.
It is but depending where you are it can still be cheaper to get it from AE. To me it was €50 cheaper at least. Yes, I lost warranty for that 25% "discount" but with CPUs warranty isn't something I care too much about.
3:48 , son.. Remember i told you to never to buy a nuclear bomb for a pc? Well you have done it, Good luck escaping the government (the pc enthusiasts) Guys remember not to cheap out on the Power supply 😂
Regarding the GPU drivers, the easy fix for Windows overriding the installed drivers is to go to the adapter on Device Manager and roll back the driver. That gets rid of the driver Windows installed and returns to the one you installed. I'd love to know if this helped.
Out of all components, I would not cheap out on the PSU. Maybe if I'm building a lot of PCs and a few office fires here and there are a calculated trade-off.
@@Nodicus only some boomers still use the imperial system, and maybe people doing non important construction jobs; in the USA, the scientific and high tech industry (like NASA or whatever) use the metric system to avoid headaches and catastrophes.
14:59 I think it's probably a power supply issue given it just totally turns off no blue screen power supply probably hits over current protection as soon as the game trys to load the gpu
@@1Grainer1 I wasn't talking about the motherboard I was talking about the case buttons but ok child if you say so🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh and drinking gasoline is yummy🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue comment was about those ram slots, so i kinda assumed your comment was towards that damn, i hate smell of gasoline, wouldn't want to drink that 🤣🤣🤣
14:41 happened to me before, it's because microsoft keeps updating the driver and replacing it, the only way to disable it is to prevent windows update from touching the current display driver ( amd driver ). there's a fix somewhere on the internet for this prob, i came across one that worked for me permanently, 5 mins or less and you''l find a fix for it.
I have the same psu it's still kicking today but I recently replaced it with a MWE Gold 850 V2 because I got a 7800xt now, before I was only running on an apu (5600g)
I would have swapped th PSU before the video card just to see. I've had that same exact issue before where my PSU should've been fine with my GPU but as soon as I put it under a load It just couldn't keep up. Not all PSU's or GPU's are created equal.
I bought a Gigabyte motherboard and it also came with the IO shield already attached. It is a different model board. In a way I like the shield already being on it. That should minimize the chance of them having to replace a lot of shields that were either the wrong one accidentally put in the box or the chances of one that was cut wrong and doesn't fit or shorts things. We all know how disappointing that will be to plug it in and have it be dead from the start because of such a defect.
Not sure if this matters since the AMD software should be auto-detecting the model anyways, but it’s probably an RX 580 2048SP, which is closer to a 570. I also got a GPU from MLLSE for my budget PC, and it has its own set of problems. They claimed it’s a 590 (almost everywhere in Windows says it is until you click “Look Up” in GPU-Z, where you realize it’s a 580 2048), and when the computer goes to sleep and blanks out the video output, it often doesn’t want to start showing a picture again when you wake the PC (I have to unplug and reattach the video cable for it to work). I did eventually get AliExpress to agree to a partial refund, probably due to the false marketing, so I decided to keep it and live with it since it’s only cost me C$57 in the end.
I got a similar 580 from Ali. Mine is the white ELSA ones they were selling a couple months ago. The cooler looks exactly the same but mine is white. Thankfully my card seems to be working fine
You think it could be a mining card with video output? I recently bought one and I believe it’s a mining card due to being 100 percent utilization when just loading up windows and fans are at 100 percent the entire time even when not doing anything. Plus it doesn’t even let me download drivers.
just built a 7600x and a 7800xt saphire 16gb card with gen 5 m.2 ssd and it playes star citizen at 130 fps with fsr on silky smooth allways loved my amd builds and this one is my fave for sure
I was dubious when I bought it, but I’ve had a KingSpec SSD running like a champ in my recycle bin MacBook Pro for nearly 18 months. I go Samsung for projects for other people, but I’m perfectly fine using KingSpec for my own computers!
My brother's 580 does the same thing but takes a lot longer to do it. Various posts were saying it was a VRM overheat issue with older cards, and they may be right. As after chasing other leads down I finally focused on that, replaced all the shmoo under there, and now he hasn't sent it back to me for troubleshooting in a few months. (Also wouldn't be surprising if an old, suspiciously cheap card was some sort of refurb.)
AFAIK these are ex-mining GPUs, essentially using salvaged parts on a new PCB. You may get one thats fine, you may not. I've bought 4 aliexpress "refurb" GPUs and all of them work perfectly, at least for now.
I love this video. People buying AliExpress & Temu parts for PC builds is wild & I love seeing videos on them. On the AMD stuff, they haven't copied Intel on the CPU processor suffixes. It's an Industry standard that has been around for years that goes back to at least the 80's when both companies entered a cross-licencing partnership to be second source manufactures of each other's x86 chipsets. The only thing that will change that agreement is if one of them ever goes out of business. I'm pretty sure Zhaoxin & Via use the same suffixes as well for their x86 CPUs too since they have licencing agreements with Intel, but very few people outside of Asian markets know who they are.
TBH I'd always be more worried about the heatpipes being soldered than how many there are. Quite a few large coolers from the early 2000's with a lot of heatpipes suck because they aren't (aka a waste of aluminium)
My kids brand new 5600g/rx 6600 combo used to require AMD driver installs for almost every crash. He used to kick his cable out the PSU often and the sad part is how long it took to diagnose the crashing since it never happened when I was there not kicking the PSU.
It's an rx 580 **2048sp**. Meaning that it's actually just an rx 570 with a small overclock. You can try the rx 570 drivers, or flashing the normal rx 570 BIOS onto it.
EDIT: Forgot they used the same drivers for all polaris cards. Try flashing the normal 570 bios, and install drivers again. Could also be that windows tries and install older drivers.
My bet is that windows installed old amd drivers and overwrote the ones Dawid installed. That seems to happen with the older amd cards.
There aren't separate drivers for the 570 and 580, they use the same ones that are used for all amd polaris cards. It's possible the china specials like the rx 580 2048sp aren't supported properly in all standard drivers though idk
The Adrenalin drivers are the same. My best guess is that MLLSE harvested the GPU core or memory from a card that had little-to-no life left to begin with and the symptoms of GPU death only began manifesting now.
Dawid can test this by underclocking the core or memory. If it's stable at lower clocks, then the recycled components are just too degraded to run at stock settings.
Typical AMD bad gpu drivers yet again
Also mostly of Aliexpress GPU sellers use refurbished mining graphics, with possibly 1 year of life left if you're lucky, I buy pc components from Aliexpress but never power supplies or graphics lol
I think i can explain the GPU shipping price, i live in brazil and here any itens bought that has a price higher than 50 dollars USD is taxed in 92% of the value, making us pay basically double the price. Some vendors noticed that and started putting some of the itens cost on the shipping, because the shipping isnt taxed
Woah! That’s very interesting. Thanks for that insight. 👍
Explicou perfeitamente
It's so stupid too because the idea is to drive local economy by having things made in Brazil but NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD GRAPHICS CARDS IN BRAZIL
Haha same, I live in Turkey
We had a 10€ tax-free limit but now the limit is gone and tariff rates are indiscriminately high
At least you can pay less taxes with the shipping price
Wow that must by why Brazil is so prosperous. We should tax things at 92% too and then we’re sure to have a great economy. Blue no matter who.
"Low yield dirty bomb" is an all-time Dawid-ism.
"Just use Ali Express computer parts bro, it's very cheap"
The PC:
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ali express amazon it's all good and all the same he just goes with ali express because most people use amazon🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue You are not wrong. 😂 AliExpress and Amazon Canada specifically have very similar stock. Most of the stuff on AliExpress is also on Amazon.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah it is basically the same just different names otherwise the same though AliExpress is a funnier name but the same basic products and prices🤣
Next video: "Cooling processor with a hamster running in a wheel"
I would watch this cooking show
Hamsters are cool, so that would probably work if you gave the hamster a propeller hat, it would work at least as well as Intel stock cooler.
😂
mounting a peristaltic pump to the wheel would work or even a gear drive to run a fan would be cool looking also.
Hamster with Wheel - $35
Cheap Cooling - $8
You do the math
Bro, it's called RANDOM Access Memory for a reason -- sometimes you can access it, sometimes not... it's random.
yes he knows that... lol
I also ordered mine through AliExpress and I liked how it is, all I have to do is download Windows and that's it
BNH Software helped me get it and maybe this information will be useful to you.
I’ve had the same problem with AMD cards. Windows installs the drivers at the same time, corrupting the AMD downloaded driver. Disable in device manager, and redownload through the AMD app, and it works. Don’t let windows update, or download the driver.
yeah windows update breaks the adrenaline drivers and kills the app after some time
in this particular case the problem is more reoated to that rx570 and gpu bios, surely is a mined to death gpu reconstructed to be a fake 580
i personally use amd gpus and never had what you describe but i buy new gpus, never mined gpus
sold here in 4400+ cards from.aisurix.
more likely pair with casing psu then the gpu become broken..
ddu first..
Chinese here， never heard of this MLLSE brand. Other than that， everything seems pretty common, I would skip aigo PSU, though
How could have you not have heard of MLLSSE? They're an old and pretty established brand on AliExpress
Funny that as a Brazilian i know mllse, they ship components to brazil to skip taxes, however, never heard anyone saying anything good of the brand
@@Tibiiah good to know mllse isn't worth it. I bought twice from soyo now and happy with both purchases, so that is worth a shot of you're looking for new hw.
If you buy MLLSE cards, use their official store. Same goes for JieShuo etc ...
@@Tibiiah I bought an MLLSE RX 580 2048SP and 5700 XT and both were fine, still running a year later, maybe Dawid was unlucky
That 580 2048sp if I remember is a Chinese market mining card. It's just a 570 rebadged, more than likely you could look at replacing the bios on the card with a actual 570 and I'm sure it will work. Worth a shot.
AMD's Adrenalin drivers officially recognize the card. Look at 14:13. I think the GPU hardware itself (which is definitely harvested from a dead 580) has just degraded to the point of not being able to run at stock clocks.
@@steph_on_yt Of course they do. They check the vBIOS and the card tells you what it is, even if it's wrong. This is a known scam Chinese sellers play. They take older cards, modify the bios so the system sees it as a different card and even installs the correct drivers, but then you run into weird issues like system crashes, gpu crashes when you want to use all the VRAM, etc.
It is not a mining GPU, just a special SKU for Chinese market. However, almost all the RX 5X0 card you can find in market are used for mining for extend period of time so probably the card is simply broken
@@BrunodeSouzaLino but this isn't a scam card. The RX 580 2048SP is an official China-only SKU quietly launched by AMD in 2018, a year after the vanilla 570/580. It's the same as the 7900 GRE (before it launched globally) and the very 7500F shown in this video. Hell, even intel made a bunch of weird China-exclusive SKUs like the i5-12490F "Black Edition" which is basically an overclocked 12400F with more L3 cache. These one-off SKUs usually don't come in retail packaging and are destined for internet cafes.
Could be worse. If it was an nVidia card, it would probably turn out to be something like a 9500GT, Biosed to be an RTX 2080.
That driver version error usually happens because Windows keep updating graphics drivers, Happened to my Old 580
that does not explain why the other doesbt do the same
it is more likely for being a 570 mined to dead modified via bios gpu
sold 4400+ cards here and with 1 resell it on market place..likely pair with standard psu..
14:39 Welcome To The Windows Update-hell with AMD drivers. Too often I have burnt my nerves after updating AMD drivers from AMD site, only Windows do a Windows thing and "updating" AMD drivers to WHQL Certified ones from Windows Updates.And those are ages old, and Adrenalin AMD Software will not work with them, due version mismatch. You need matching version of Adrenalin software - good luck to find it. :D
And WHQL package doesn't contain AMD Software.
I expect that el-cheapo AMD card to be some OEM version based and due that Windows like to be "helpful" and making your life fun...
it can disabled through windows advanced system settings > hardware > device installation settings > no
@@crusifficadus it may not work in this scenario:
1. Driver already was preloaded.
2. Gpu was crashing with reboot.
So, after reboot, windows will totaly ignore "not install" setting and install older driver anyway. Or not. It's totally random. I found that most reliable way is thru DDU "prevent windows driver update" setting.
Use Device manager to roll back to the new driver you just installed. It will do more then just roll back it will also mark the driver from window update to not be installed again preventing the issue from happing again.
@@delancre5858 I somehow got my 5600 XT to work after clearing Windows update cache, disabling the update driver policy, DDUing and reinstalling drivers
Skill issue
Memory training can take a VERY LONG time, like theoretically up to 15 minutes or something, so you need to be much more patient when you boot up an AM5 build for the first time and also make sure that you have the monitor plugged in BEFORE you turn it on. Also, did you update the BIOS (with other ram sticks) and then try the original memory sticks again? Did you try one stick at a time in the primary slot?
When the video first started the first thing that came to mind seeing all the packages on the desk was - 'Why did he rob a Chinese laundry for PC parts?'
I would be willing to bet it was in the middle of Memory Training the very first time you Powered it On & if you just shut it off to connect the Display & Mouse/Keyboard than rebooted it was probly frozen in the state it was in because it did not have time to finish Memory Training, this can cause all kinds of issues. You are lucky the Motherboard wasn't Bricked. It posted when you added New RAM because it had to Re train the Memory.
Dawid-Does-Explosive-Stuff worthy title
you know you are in trouble when your computer is on drugs dude🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's actually a sweet looking case. Wish I would have looked at small cases before going full atx mid tower
my ram usage is only 18% can you find me 4 sticks of ddr4 that ad up to 256 gb cause I want to get it down to 9%
Dawid...how the hell did you become one of my favorite RUclipsrs? The tech is jank, the projects are spit-balled, and you don't even know how to pronounce "w"! And yet, every video delights and I find your consistency truly inspiring!
Well this is lovely ❤
The channel is great because he says thiddy
@@AnnaDoesyou and Dawid should have a build off.. ye have a certain budget. Have 1 day to source your components.. then when they arrive have a build off and compare then tests
I don't understand the bit about mispronouncing "w"...
@@TheRealDrae just a dumb American joke about us spelling David with a v instead. Just being silly!
You should do a video where you shop through Amazon Warehouse
7500f f for fail🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll see what I can find. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff👀
When I bought a rx 580 from AliExpress, they had the wrong bios flashed on the graphic card. I had to find and flash the correct bios in order to get it to work. Took around 8 hours for me to figure out. As long as no drivers where installed the card would work fine, but the minute you installed amd drivers it would crash. My guess is the bios is wrong.
I actually own a 5 7500F, it's pretty amazing entry-level AM5 CPU and definitely worth loosing a few Ghz and the iGPU for a cheaper price. It's sold in the Philippines.
I did a AliExpress build with 7500F, great CPU, can easily OC it, made a vid of my build.
I agree! It’s crazy good value for money. It’s a shame it isn’t available here.
It's easily the best CPU AMD has ever released, 100mhz less than the 7600 at stock for way less money. And you can overclock it!
Ive got one on the way for my pc. Planning to tune it to go crazy fast with buildzoid's easy hynix ddr5 timings, Maybe ill be able to push the cores to 5.5ghz?
Yo guys, Im looking to buy a 7500F but I dont know which sellers on aliexpress are legit, any of you guys could kindly drop a link to where you bought the cpu? I would appreciate a lot
@@jlagaviota Not from the states, bought mine from Lazada
The PSU already telling that it's ASS 9:23
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Was just about to comment the same! Hilarious.
Aigo ASS 600 W EPSU (Explosive Power supply Unit).
Sounds about right.
Underrated comment 😂
The ASS power supply combined with a step up transformer might be causing half of the issues.
It would have been nice if you could have done a bios update to see if that would get the ram working
3:29 low yield dirty bomb sounds like all the PSU's i own
14:45 welcome to Windows AMD experience. You need to blacklist the driver in device manager or it will keep happening
I've never had an issue with this before
the snowman cooler from aliE does have a good reputation among forums
they are solid.
The power supply fan sucking the air in the opposite direction and lack of case fans don't help particularly.
Coolers are fine but quality of fans isn't great. I still use one with aftermarket fan, 6 heatpipe version. But at time I bought that one nothing similar was available for that money, today you can get decent air cooler everywhere for similar money so I don't see point of getting them from AE anymore. But I saw $10 4 heatpipes cooler from time to time, I'll probably get one just to see how it handle 65W TDP CPUs, they still can be decent replacement for box coolers.
The fact that it is a 580 2048sp shouldn't be the main issue here. I had my 580 2048sp a few years back and had no big issues with it.
What I think is happening is that the aliexpress RX580 was a retired mining card, which silicon had degraded enough for it to no longer be stable at stock clock speeds.
Man its a good thing that you put that CMOS battery in there so you didn't spend hours tinkering with it trying to get things working 👀
14:29 disable automatic drivers updates in the registry
I don't know if it is just me, but the way that the PSU blocks the ventilation and the way the power cable is in the way...I wouldn't be able to do it. I would physically not be able to complete the process as something in my brain would say "NO!". Not talking about any safety issues etc. Just something else I can't pinpoint.
So...I assume free shipping return of the GPU and replacement by the seller with another one? Right? Right?
0:17 listen to that with your eyes closed and let your imaginations kick in
14:38 this can actually happen when windows "updates" your graphics drivers to an older version so adrenaline doesn't work
My 6700XT also used to do the driver corruption thing (unless I restarted the system within seconds of the signal loss) but instead of it happening under load it would just do it randomly (and much less frequently tbf), often after alt tabbing and such. After some windows reinstalls and ram swaps it works completely fine (aside from weird flickering issues while playing media with hardware acceleration turned on), so it might be some kind of AMD bug that's just rare enough not to be caught by their driver team.
i thought i was the only one with this problem because i searched for this problem and it seems no one has it. i really thought my 6700xt was going bad. after countless of hours and days of testing and finding the culprit, i narrowed down to 2 problems. first is the pcie power cable is loose (because i noticed a bit of burnt marks on the pin) or my psu decided to went into fail safe mode. second is overheating. even though my gpu temp is at 78C and hotspot at 100C. my vram is going way above 110C. so i had to re paste and replace thermal pads. right now it works again without crashing.
tl;dr : sometimes after a crash, a popup always shows there is a problem with a driver even though the driver is fine.
@@caerxm I don't think I've seen burn marks on the pins even if they did come slightly loose at times but I only have a 550W PSU so it might have to do something with that. Well, it might or it might not, since in my case it never just happened mid game regardless of how much power the CPU/GPU pulled, and I always had to either click on something in on the desktop or often simply alt+tab out of the game/some window to crash the system. My GPU temps also used to be very high (105+ degrees on the hotspot) because at first I only looked at the main temp reading which never even went above 80-ish, so I thought I could adjust the fan curve to make the card even more quiet. Since then I've tweaked that a bit and now my hotspot rarely even hits 90+ degrees and I also haven't had any crashes in a while so that might also be related, but again wouldn't it make sense then for the system to crash mid game while the temps were at their highest? Idk, I'm really not sure what's going on, but I'm not too bothered since it seems to be mostly okay for now.
10:09 so a bit of a correction, even though the overall layout is STILL really bad given the airflow patterns, it used to be very common to use your PSU as the exhaust for your computer. That's why it used to be far more common to have top-mounted power supplies as opposed to bottom-mounted ones because of the exhaust.
80% of the time it's the RAM. Always check it first. Thanks for the video.
The rx 580 boost clock seems a bit off as well it barely hitting 1100mhz is weird they should be around 1200-1250 even for the 2048sp version.
Gotta say though, I've bought all highly-rated premium parts through Amazon and Newegg before and wound up with two DOA parts, and dealing with ASUS customer support is a worse experience than most Aliexpress sellers.
Dude, finally a show creator with some humor and heart at the right place...! I won't forget you and follow you from now on! 😁😁😁
Does Dawid or Anna choose the music, cause that build montage. Lol chefs kiss! Perfect.
17:08 that's probably from your lack luster cooler and not the chip as AM5 is meant to boost clocks til it hits 95c. im sure with a better cooler itd be only 5%slower instead of 10%
I had an RX 580 2048SP as well, and it was odd.
Overall it was an okay GPU, except that the latest drivers straight up made all VR games crash in less than an hour of playing them.
Reverting back to drivers from 2020 helped me, apparently some more recent ones were also fine. Probably not your problem, but sometimes those things are a bit weird.
Replaced it with an Intel Arc A580 and had to struggle there with needing a new CPU with ReBAR as well, otherwise the performance was horrible. I'm just unlucky lol
Hm... it's a pity you didn't try the "RdN,ID" community drivers for RX 580 2048SP, it would most likely solve the problem with VR games.
It's also a shame you didn't try the open source project called "ReBarUEFI", which allows you to enable Resizable BAR on older PCs (even those with 2nd generation Intel Core CPUs - which is a 2011 CPU for a minute!)
I think the power supply was suppose to take in fresh air from the front that you mentioned was blocked off, and exhaust up and out?
Netac had a 1 in 2 failure rate in a 1 year period on their SSDs at my previos work place.
very expensive for 256 GB too. Just get an original samsung for a tiny bit more
In my experience the worst is KingFast (not KingSpec, these are actually good). I used to sell pre-builds with these at work and they ALL came back defective withing a year. It was so bad the supplier changed brands, which I never expected them to do.
@@ertugyigitgezici7634 Best option imho is relying on Gen 3 drives pulled from OEM systems actually sold on ebay. Pretty cheap at 15€ for 256gb and 25-30€ for 512gb, mostly coming from HP but from Hynix, WD and sometimes Samsung.
@@alexisaudoin2272 Same with a lot of Chinese SSDs, there are some good brands but majority are junk.
Worst is ELSA were all of them arrived defective or on the brink of death lol.
I have a Puskill drive that works, but sometimes it will just freeze and become completely unresponsive,
Netac SSDs have worked fine for me aside from being very slow.
Brands that have been good:
Fanxiang (and any re-brands, that are manufactured by LDCEMS/Lingdechuang, so that includes, Fikwot, Ediloca, ASDK) this is my go-to brand for SSDs and the best I've personally used from a Chinese brand.
Kingspec
Kingbank
Maxsun/Teclast
Lexar
Hikvision/Hiksemi
Basically anything else I've used from a Chinese brand has been junk. ESPECIALLY ELSA. Do not buy ELSA SSDs under any circumstance.
I actually like the way the case looks but I would drill more holes in the front
The irony of me seeing an Ali Express add right before this video is priceless.
That case actually looks quite good! We need more cases with handles
the 7500f is available almost everywhere in the west.
germany for example has them in retail for ~165€ and around the same in many different online stores.
I'm in the UK but cheaper to import from Ali, got a 7700 for £130 during sales! Made a video to show it's not a scam lol
We can't get it locally in NA. Only expensive imports.
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I wonder if messing with the clocks or the voltage from the video card would have changed anything
I got a mllse rx 5500xt and have had zero problems works really good and got it on sale at the time for 70 bucks
14:19 you JINXED it, dude!
love the mustard PSU cable❤
Right? They take me back to the 90s 😂
Connect the ram and gpu to another system. If they work there, then the auto settings in bios may pre-set incompatibly. You may need to bios change up or down or set it manually to get it to work, stock. Assembling thousands of PC's in my life has proven to me that there are sometimes strange unexplainable, intermittent even, incompatibilities between seemingly random components that should prima facie, just work out of the box.
Are you sure that if you rub the top of that chip, it won't actually say "FX-7500" underneath? 😁
You might get the memory working by updating the BIOS. DDR5 support has been constantly updated on BIOSes, initially there was only a dozen or so kits you could run.
For $800 PC you got ripped off lol
That is $800 CAD. In USD it is only $600.
@@coryv5679 600 is still a ripoff
Well it would have been like 350 but they had crazy shipping prices
Literal con eso armó un AMD 7500 con 16gb 6000mhz y la rx6600 x 176usd jjj
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Hi, when I run into some of boot issues, I install the speaker on the motherboard. It should give some beep codes that can help to isolate the problem. Years ago all motherboards use to have speakers. Remember that single beep when your system is booting properly? I love your videos!
Balls
hell yeah
so true
Nope
100% My dude
real
2:10 it is u can buy it in almost every shop, just checked its in the biggest PC online shops and its avaiable, 4 months ago i made pc for someone with this CPU and cheap am5 gigabyte mobo.
Thankfully US prices esp at local shops like Micro Center allow us to build something of quality for the same price or less...
Yeah I was kind of surprised by how expensive everything on this list actually was for how bad it is.
Go for a MACHINIST X99 PR9 Motherboard Combo (Xeon LGA 2011-3) these are cheap as chips and some offerings include cpu and some ram. Some of those RX580s are "refurbished" chips and may be not neccesarily stable.
MLLSE is an ASRock sub brand in china, the card is official (but likely B stock) and the problem is most likely software related.
DDU, disable driver auto updates install the proper polaris driver (all polaris cards use the same drivers) you can even use nimez drivers if needed, could also be a bios issue but then you just swap the bios or reflash it.
As for the ram, its very likely the system was doing memory training and you shut it down in the middle of doing that, luckily it didnt brick your motherboard or anything else but it would explain the memory failure.
I doubt it'd be the chips since currently there are only 3 DDR5 IC manufacturers and they're samsung sk hynix and micron.
Worst case, the TechPowerUp forums should easily be able to find it.
its a harvested/dissected mining card. problem is the die and the memory.
it could be a bios modified GPU, take in count that it is the rx 580 2048sp which is usually a bios modified card for better mining. I compared your bios (which you showed in the video 17:36) to the supposed bios you should have and they look like they are the same version, however there could be a missing digital signature in the VBIOS since it is an off brand version of the rx 580 2048sp, so I could suggest to flash the bios into an official one and try if that works out.
Nice video!
Hey Dawid, just so you know, the 7500f is available in Europe. It’s basically the standard recommendation for any budget am5 build right now. Nevertheless awesome video as always!
Edit: Really suprised that it isn’t available in the US tbh.
Edit 2: I just noticed that the "580" is actually showing as the 580 2048SP which I is a Chinese variant. It performs like a 570 but I’m not sure if it would run with the normal 580 drivers. Based on the video I guess it doesn’t though.
Im in UK, but cheaper to import to Aliexpress, but deffo, 7500F is the meta for cheap AM5 builds.
RX 580 2048SP will work with the standard AMD drivers, Dawid got a defective one though.
It is but depending where you are it can still be cheaper to get it from AE. To me it was €50 cheaper at least. Yes, I lost warranty for that 25% "discount" but with CPUs warranty isn't something I care too much about.
sold here 4400+ cards..
3:48 , son.. Remember i told you to never to buy a nuclear bomb for a pc? Well you have done it, Good luck escaping the government (the pc enthusiasts) Guys remember not to cheap out on the Power supply 😂
I do love a good disaster, Dawid, you know me so well
A GPU disaster, that thing was cheap no name crap 😂😂
Regarding the GPU drivers, the easy fix for Windows overriding the installed drivers is to go to the adapter on Device Manager and roll back the driver. That gets rid of the driver Windows installed and returns to the one you installed. I'd love to know if this helped.
Out of all components, I would not cheap out on the PSU. Maybe if I'm building a lot of PCs and a few office fires here and there are a calculated trade-off.
In a actual build if you are planning to use the pc yes, but this is a meme build.
I ran in to the same problems with ram from aliexpress. I bet you they are only really compatible with intel. Maybe you should try it Dawid?
I had never before considered that Canada is 110V
Yeah. North America is weird. Don't even ask about the metric system because it's half-assed in Canada and almost non-existent in USA
@@Nodicus only some boomers still use the imperial system, and maybe people doing non important construction jobs; in the USA, the scientific and high tech industry (like NASA or whatever) use the metric system to avoid headaches and catastrophes.
@@Nodicus Well there are two kinds of countries, those who use the metric system, and those who have put a man on the Moon.
@@basshead.the americans who put a man on the moon used the metric system to do so.
@@ravioli0239 The metric system wasn't a thing in 1969.
Re-flash the Bios on the card and use the RID Drivers.
You got scammed with the power supply and the cooler. same cooler is 6 dollars in choice section and the power supply is not real 650 watts
14:59 I think it's probably a power supply issue given it just totally turns off no blue screen power supply probably hits over current protection as soon as the game trys to load the gpu
Dawid spittin' facts about ram slots, one sided clip ram slots are just so bad
unrefined is the new cheapo parts level on quality🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue cheapo parts? b450 strix gaming is using those, so asus is way more likely than gigabyte, so preference of company
@@1Grainer1 I wasn't talking about the motherboard I was talking about the case buttons but ok child if you say so🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
oh and drinking gasoline is yummy🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue comment was about those ram slots, so i kinda assumed your comment was towards that
damn, i hate smell of gasoline, wouldn't want to drink that 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for another great
Video. I know you put a lot of hard work into it. What with editing. voice overs. credits and titles.😉
Time for a haircut Dawid....🤭
nuh uh
@@togiisuperheavytankuh huh
no.
@@Madpiggaming nuh uh
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Start of the video reminds me of Christmas time as a little kid. You know shaking the wrapped presents guessing if it'll be clothes or not lol.
Even Aliexpress isn't as cheap as you.
the 7500F is actually available EVERYWHERE in europe, for example: Proshop, Alternate, Reichelt etc
40 seconds no views? Dawid fell off
cause it is long form and not a short
These copy/paste YT reactions too.
@@juh-roonNothing beats the comments on Mr. Nightmare. Lol
The braincells of those commenting this fell off
I keep reading these. I honestly think these are bots trying to establish themselves as "real people".
14:41 happened to me before, it's because microsoft keeps updating the driver and replacing it, the only way to disable it is to prevent windows update from touching the current display driver ( amd driver ).
there's a fix somewhere on the internet for this prob, i came across one that worked for me permanently, 5 mins or less and you''l find a fix for it.
Iv had 2 of these cards from Ali express. If you uninstall the drivers and let windows update install one, it works
I have the same psu it's still kicking today but I recently replaced it with a MWE Gold 850 V2 because I got a 7800xt now, before I was only running on an apu (5600g)
I would have swapped th PSU before the video card just to see. I've had that same exact issue before where my PSU should've been fine with my GPU but as soon as I put it under a load It just couldn't keep up. Not all PSU's or GPU's are created equal.
I bought a Gigabyte motherboard and it also came with the IO shield already attached. It is a different model board. In a way I like the shield already being on it. That should minimize the chance of them having to replace a lot of shields that were either the wrong one accidentally put in the box or the chances of one that was cut wrong and doesn't fit or shorts things. We all know how disappointing that will be to plug it in and have it be dead from the start because of such a defect.
Not sure if this matters since the AMD software should be auto-detecting the model anyways, but it’s probably an RX 580 2048SP, which is closer to a 570.
I also got a GPU from MLLSE for my budget PC, and it has its own set of problems. They claimed it’s a 590 (almost everywhere in Windows says it is until you click “Look Up” in GPU-Z, where you realize it’s a 580 2048), and when the computer goes to sleep and blanks out the video output, it often doesn’t want to start showing a picture again when you wake the PC (I have to unplug and reattach the video cable for it to work).
I did eventually get AliExpress to agree to a partial refund, probably due to the false marketing, so I decided to keep it and live with it since it’s only cost me C$57 in the end.
I got a similar 580 from Ali.
Mine is the white ELSA ones they were selling a couple months ago. The cooler looks exactly the same but mine is white.
Thankfully my card seems to be working fine
love your channel bro, good stuff
You think it could be a mining card with video output? I recently bought one and I believe it’s a mining card due to being 100 percent utilization when just loading up windows and fans are at 100 percent the entire time even when not doing anything. Plus it doesn’t even let me download drivers.
just built a 7600x and a 7800xt saphire 16gb card with gen 5 m.2 ssd and it playes star citizen at 130 fps with fsr on silky smooth allways loved my amd builds and this one is my fave for sure
The ice 200 pro does a decent job of keeping my xeon e5-2620 v3 cool, but the fins bend easily
you know what ... much respect for actually buying the case for a stupid cost for shipping ... i think you are the 1st youtuber i see do that
I was dubious when I bought it, but I’ve had a KingSpec SSD running like a champ in my recycle bin MacBook Pro for nearly 18 months. I go Samsung for projects for other people, but I’m perfectly fine using KingSpec for my own computers!
We over here at the PCP Insulfating Engineer's Club, PCPIC for short, we think you did a bang up job. Well done.
You could have mounted the PSU flipped, with its fan pulling air from the case vent and into the case.
At least that would be my first thought.
What is that case at 8:20? Can you link it or just the title description. Thanks!
The 7500F is definitely available in the "West", just not the US it seems.
My brother's 580 does the same thing but takes a lot longer to do it. Various posts were saying it was a VRM overheat issue with older cards, and they may be right. As after chasing other leads down I finally focused on that, replaced all the shmoo under there, and now he hasn't sent it back to me for troubleshooting in a few months. (Also wouldn't be surprising if an old, suspiciously cheap card was some sort of refurb.)
AFAIK these are ex-mining GPUs, essentially using salvaged parts on a new PCB. You may get one thats fine, you may not. I've bought 4 aliexpress "refurb" GPUs and all of them work perfectly, at least for now.
Lloyd mitchell says
its an rx570 .you have to find its original name and support and install the recomended drivers
I believe front intake vent of the case is for the power supply
I love this video. People buying AliExpress & Temu parts for PC builds is wild & I love seeing videos on them. On the AMD stuff, they haven't copied Intel on the CPU processor suffixes. It's an Industry standard that has been around for years that goes back to at least the 80's when both companies entered a cross-licencing partnership to be second source manufactures of each other's x86 chipsets. The only thing that will change that agreement is if one of them ever goes out of business. I'm pretty sure Zhaoxin & Via use the same suffixes as well for their x86 CPUs too since they have licencing agreements with Intel, but very few people outside of Asian markets know who they are.
TBH I'd always be more worried about the heatpipes being soldered than how many there are. Quite a few large coolers from the early 2000's with a lot of heatpipes suck because they aren't (aka a waste of aluminium)
My kids brand new 5600g/rx 6600 combo used to require AMD driver installs for almost every crash. He used to kick his cable out the PSU often and the sad part is how long it took to diagnose the crashing since it never happened when I was there not kicking the PSU.