The Unexpected Downfall of the 2023 Cardinals
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
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Heading into this season, the St. Louis Cardinals were projected by most to be a playoff team. However, they've arguably been the most disappointing team of the year. What happened?
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The Cardinals are single handedly putting Yadi in the Hall with this downfall. He leaves, and suddenly, their pitching falls off a cliff.
Yup, pitching has been hanging on by a thread for years
You can argue that the pitching would be better with Yadi, but it wouldn’t be enough. You can put the best jockey in the world on a jackass but he still isn’t going to win the Kentucky Derby.
@@georgesouthwick7000 They haven’t won anything recently
But we still have our GM (( Mo )) ...HAHAHAHAHA
It’s Marmol.. you can’t have analytics first Front Office and an analytics first coach they clearly do not work… Schildt was the coach they should have kept.. then you have the old school skipper and Maddox probably stays… the compounding of Maddox Skip Schumaker Holiday all leaving/declining jobs with the exit of Yadi and Albert… that’s 5 all time cardinals that were winners… outside Wainwright there isn’t 1 clear proven winner or veteran on this team
As a Cubs fan, I gotta say I totally undervalued how Yadi carried their franchise
And also how us Cubs fans really dodged a bullet by not resigning him.
Same, it seems like he was a giant influence
@@AlexEich I think all Cubs fans owe Jed an apology; Contreras is ruining the Cardinals, which makes me so happy! Hope London series game 2 is a repeat of game 1!
@@SportStorm23 as Cubs fans we all say Yadier Molina is overrated and no hof’er, but I gotta say he made the shitty Cardinals pitching way better than it is now
Lots of guys struggle first year with new team especially if they are publicly shamed the day they go back to the team the won a ring with.. everyone is not Tom Brady where they can jump ship and win immediately
You can not outscore bad pitching, just ask the Angels…
Angels got something going, ask the Mets
ask the reds rn
@thebeastlybois3236 hey we rolling right now let's just pretend it's gonna last forever
@@xxxllloorpoopypants3687 i think that's what he's saying
Hey. they have one good pitcher and two good hitters!
The issue with this team is that Yadi ran the cardinals, not the manager or upper management. I listened to a podcast, a former cards player was saying how even on his off days the manager would ask Yadi about if they should leave in the pitcher or not. The pitchers don’t know how to sequence, because Yadi did it for them. The hitters don’t know how to focus, because Yadi was the rally banner. It’s a team that needs Yadi, but without Yadi. Marmol has been looking worse and worse over the year, and the way they’ve been picking scapegoats has been unprofessional at best and catastrophic at worse.
This is all coming from a tigers fan, who just hates seeing a team with this much talent on paper be wasted. (Besides the white Sox)
Cardinals fan here and you did an excellent job describing this confusing team and their horrendous start to the season...
Thank you!
You didn’t address the bad coaching… Marmol can not be that unlucky to put out the reliever that gives up home run after blown lead after blown save… imo he’s the blind leading the blind
I'll never forget the 2006 St Louis Cardinals run to the World Series championship. That was one of the most miraculous championships in sports. It was supposed to be the New York Mets year
It’s always supposed to be the New York Mets year😭
That might be a future video topic for me
2011?????
@@IMBLACKDAMMITyep! Imo, the best ever. One strike, the Rangers win, and everyone would be talking about Hamilton and his comeback from drug addiction, to hit the HR that won the world series...instead, David Freese forces game 7 moments later.
Fates can change so quickly in baseball, which is why I love the game.
Consolation prize...hearing the biased, announcers talking about the amazing Astros, and dead family members looking down from heaven, proud of their accomplishments, for three straight games. Constant cameras on Nolan Ryan...then, infield single, walk, and BAM!!! PUJOLS shuts up 45,000 people for one more game, lol! So quiet that you could hear the thud from the ball hitting the plexiglass underneath the railroad
even as a reds fan i know the cardinals are due for 20-3 stretch over the most important part of the season
Doesn’t feel like it but crazy things have happened
Sadly this is true
Yeah but even if that happens the reds have to cool off significantly and everyone else has to play way below .500 lots of IF’S
Cardinals pulling out the devil magic in the second half is nearly as inevitable as the Mets collapsing every year.
As a cardinals fan can we talk about how good Tommy Edman has been at running down balls in center like its nothing.
Totally agree! He has been killing it in center field and seems like he’s having fun.
And then, with 2 outs, having a ball pop out of his glove to clear the bases and destroy a decent Libertore effort. I like Tommy, but it is what it is. He has been woeful at 2B. This has been a strange year for everybody. Their heads are not in the game. Zero confidence. Zero fun. Zero spark. Hoping they find it.
@@chrisweidner4768 I did forget about that instance! And you’re right he has quite a few errors at 2B this season
@@shelbyeverett3096 Yep. Frustrating year. Hopefully they can unscrew whatever’s wrong in the clubhouse. All the best.
@@chrisweidner4768 I missed that one, he has still made some really nice plays covering ground.
As a cardinals fan, nothing will change. 5/87.5 being their biggest contract to a non cardinal tells you all you need to know. At most, they will find some guys on the waiver wire (like they did with lester and happ) and hope they turn out to be somewhat decent.
I was actually shocked they did this but I was not and still not mad. You cannot do what the cardinals did so publicly and expect not to impact the person you just brought in. The fact they tried to put this on him when these fucking pitchers know they can call off the pitch is insane. This should have been expected bringing in a new guy. Yadi was the man but Contreras was never going to be Yadi and the Cardinals and Contreras knew that. However the reason we do not have Murphy is wh Mo has done to the org with the past few trades he has made. Lets also point the fact that we seem to not be able to develop talent anymore. Every one we trade who we feel is not a top guy seems to go to other teams and be a top guy.
Imagine they traded for Sean Murphy and signed a pitcher like Wacha or Eovaldi instead
And brought in Chafin… Contreras is just as good as Murphy but being publicly shamed takes a toll on your confidence but he just went 4-4 in London in the win let’s see if he turns it around Contreras and Nootbaar are the spark plugs imo
imagine being a white sox fan, 5/87.5 would be our biggest contract in franchise history
@@SportStorm23to be fair, they only pulled out from the Murphy trade because they wanted some crazy combination like Nootbaar, Carlson, Donovan, and Burleson if I remember correctly
As a Braves fan I have noticed a big difference with Sean Murphy behind the plate. Great catchers are rare.
As a Braves fan that difference hasn’t applied to Strider
@@kristopherwilson506 With a name like Spencer Strider, he should be pitching a curveball called ouroboros with a bionic arm.
As a diehard Cardinal's fan. This season is crazy. I am 25 years old. I only remember winning Cardinals baseball. always in playoff race. The down year in 2007 was sub .500 but not this bad. Pitchers weren't expected to be good, offence was to be a powerhouse. our hitting hasn't been good. I hope this turns around soon. Wish Molina and my favorite player Pujols would come back.
Come back as coaches they can’t play at a high level anymore
The definition of being satisfied with mediocrity and not actively trying to improve their weakness is embodied in their season performance so far
Honestly if the cards don't turn it around I'd be shocked if Marmol doesn't get canned.
I definitely agree. The whole Tyler O'Neill thing was absolutely ridiculous. You're basically emasculating the guy in front of the entire team. What did he hit like 38 home runs the 2 years ago? Ever since then the Cardinals have really not played well. Also I hate to say it but I saw Wainwright pitch the other day and he topped out at 87 if I remember correctly. So every five days you're basically going to have a guy who probably should be retired getting lit up, excluding an occasional five innings pitched three runs or six Innings pitched three Run start here and there
He should have already been sacked, seriously what is it that he offers, when virtually every pitcher is underperforming
Yadi for manager!
It is what should happen, but I doubt it. Mozeliak won't admit he has now failed on 3 straight manager hires.
Marmol is literally a yes man. He does whatever Mo and Dewitt say so they’re not getting rid of him. He’s doing what they want,they don’t want a manger that wants to make decisions
The Redbirds picked up right where they left off last October vs. the Phillies. The signs were there in September.
The Phillies broke us.
@@jonjanson2 ur welcome
As a Cubs fan, I always loved Contreras and was sad to see him go. As a Puerto Rican, I have always admired Yadi and loved watching him play in the WBC, also sad to see him retire. He was a manager on the field and really covered up or hid a lot of the deficits and mistakes the Cards' management was making.
I say this every time. The offense will come with the pitching.
Being in a weak division is the silver lining, if they can somehow get to a game or two over .500 by September, they can still win it
Think you’re thinking in the wrong league. The NL central is very weak, but not AL Central weak. They would have to finish at least like 8-12 games over to win the central. And if they don’t win the central they aren’t getting in
@@patrickwerner4723 Cincinnati is overperforming, the Cubs will be lucky to win 75 games,Milwaukee is mediocre. St Louis can do it, provided they start now
LOL delusional Cards fans. Calling other teams mediocre while sitting in the bottom five of the whole league.
@@platypus597 well the cards are mediocre, but a mediocre team can beat the other mediocre teams in their division if they play a little less mediocre 😂
@@fwright22 Well they're not doing that either, considering they're quite healthy compared to the rest of the division (Brewers even lose five starters and three hitters to IL). That's pathetic not mediocre.
As a Brewers fan, it's so nice to see the Cardinals losing so much, even though I know it won't last lol. Just a wee bit of saltiness on my end though since they've kicked our butts for so long lol
The division is so bad there's still hope, lol.
Truth. Just last week Pitts was on top and now they are near the bottom.
@@daBEAGLE1017 yeah, as a cards fan, it’s nice to see Pittsburgh be fun at least, that fan base deserves it
@@generogersve it's fun to watch them build up their fans all year and then implode down the stretch.
It stinks tho being a fan of the only team never to have won a World Series in the division.
@@generogersve ps, your Cards beat my 82 Brewers and I will always hold a grudge.
Yup so bad that Reds swept a 4 game series against Astros.
For those saying Yadi was "overrated", this Cardinals's downfall without him is a big "how do you like them apples?"
as a rockies fan every cardinals loss nourishes me.
Lemme guess…because of the arenado trade?
That’s pretty sad that your front office f’ed up so bad that your only relief is that we are also bad. At least we have had winnings seasons for 15 years now
I’m still confused by how y’all paid us to take him…for Austin Gomber
As a Cardinals fan who was really optimistic in the pre season, I am just devastated by the performance so far this year.
The problem for me, this team isn't build to succeed on the playoff as the pitching is mediocre and the offensive isn't on the top of the league. This past years they have reach playoff but perform miserably. Reach playoff consistently has allowed mozeliak keep his job finally these season has proved that just compete and cardinals way magic isn't enough. 2013 was a fluke.
I like to think the 2022 Phillies did this to the cardinals team
The Phillies broke us in that WC series last year. :(
@@jonjanson2Just like how the Cardinals broke the phillies in 2011 the phillies broke them last year
Remember game 1
Cards led 2-0 and gave up 6 runs
This game was a warning sign of what was to come in 2023
As a Cardinals fan, you nailed it on the head Sportstorm. I feel bad for Contreras. Yes, he is struggling this year, but using him as a scapegoat for the pitching woes is low hanging and grasping at straws.
This teams is issues began when nearly the entire coaching staff (hitting, pitching, bench) all left. That was the first red flag. That has a drastic impact on how the players approach the game. Now the Cardinals are reaping what they sowed, and it shows. Marmol can’t manage the team, and Mo’s short sighted strategy has blown up in their faces.
Great video Sportstorm.
Go Cardinals! hope they turn it around soon
Many in St. Louis did not expect much given their starting pitching staff. For years Jack Flaherty showed just enough to make you believe he could become an ace similar to how Sandy Koufax struggled for years with his wildness until a great 6 year run. Steve Matz has really struggled and likely should be starting in the minors and Wainright is pitching like how his arm went dead the last month of the prior season (time for retirement). I expected a team that would be a little over .500 since they are in a weak division. Yadi Molina was an exceptional catcher defensively and stats have shown how much was his impact during his seasons. . My Cards memories begiin in 1960 and this team reminds me of their seasoms in the 1970s which this season for many fans is their first to see this bad a Cardinals team. I agree the starting pitching has had a snowball effect on the team causing too much pressure on the Offense. I liked hearing your outsider thoughts on the team. Bad picthing usually does make for a bad team regardless of hitting.
The Devil Magic finally dried up. What a shame. Thanks SportStorm!
The main issue has been pitching. Mikolas has been the best starter this season, but that's not saying much as the bullpen has blown leads several times. The offense has also been very inconsistent. They need to start making moves to solidify the pitching and perhaps bag a solid bat as well.
Yep.... can you believe that 16 of the Cardinals losses came after they were leading in the 7th inning or later ??? 😳👈 Just imagine if they could have HALF of those 16 losses back . They would be 40 - 37 ...and only a ½ game behind the 41 - 37 first place Reds !!
@@chadkinman327 and many of those games have been by 3 runs or less.
I've been counting StL out for years and they always seem to claw their way back.
Hated them since 1982, Go Brew Crew.
Thank you cardinals 🙏 💙 let's go braves
I feel like they will fix things in mid August and September, they seem to always do the impossible.
Today Hicks absolutely blew a win…. we need a new pitcher for f*** sake!
The Mets are more broken imo. Both have awful pitching it’s an easy explanation
I just found this video after attending the Cardinals vs Marlins in Miami. Cardinals got spanked 15-2. They suck this year.
Its been an extremely painful year
Can you do the Mariners next? :D
your broken ... this channel is amazing
Dude I would never count the Cardinals out. Just go back and look at the COVID season.
This team constantly finds ways to make magic at their lowest point... I fully expect them to make the playoffs still.
How the Cards didn't make certain Molina was part of the team in 2023 is baffling.
As a Dodger fan, it brought me great joy that the Cardinals are underperforming thus late in the season…although I have seen this story before.
Yesterdays game against Cubs in London was the first I ever saw of Baseball... ever. So as I said to friends this is now my teams I have to support till the end!!! 😅
Go Cardinals!
The Cubs dumped Contreras, Baez, and Bryant perfectly. Even back to Starlin Castro, they've made some hard goodbyes look good. Also, Cuck the Fardinals.
Maybe the Cardinals should've addressed their rotation instead of relying on injured/old/inconsistent pitchers. Yes, Contreras hasn't helped much, but the problem goes way deeper than him.
You gotta wonder how long till Oli Marmol gets the boot. The dude is somehow worse than Mike Matheny.
I noticed right at the first series hosting toronto that fielder positioning was not at an acceptable level this year (understandably so with the rule change on the shift). Then add that most teams are going to be running again against the Cards because no Yadi and the bases getting larger. We were ALWAYS going to give up more runs.
The big change though is the cardinals have been a defensive emphasis team first for a very long time now. Outlawing the shift and not having coaching staff that are experienced enough to adjust throughout the season is what caused this.
When you look at the sabermetric numbers on the pitching staff, they can easily be league average or slightly above. The bats are singing, but being asked to do too much.
Sucks to be Oli, Contreras, Waino, Mikolas, Goldy, Montgomery, Hicks or Arenado right now. Especially Oli as, honestly, he made the case for his firing with the O'Neill debacle early on this season. We also fired managers that have winning records. Those two things alone pretty much guarantee the outcome. How he isn't gone already is a miracle but I imagine he will be gone after the season ends and somebody else in the org already will step up.
As a cards fan I can say there is a strong distaste for John mozalok. He makes promises that are never close to kept
I honestly think they need to bring Yadi back as their manager. Without Yadi there, it's starting to look more like management had less to do with their successful 20-year run.
The Cardinals have an abundance of talented outfielders and should be able to package together to acquire the starting pitching they need. The Padres and the Met's should be ready to deal. The best thing the Cards have going is that they are in the weakest division in the NL and could make a run if they make the moves soon. This next week will tell a lot facing HOU & NYY.
This is 100% a successful career! He didn’t have the longevity as some of the greatest pitchers , but man…. Give him 99 in clutch during that 2006-2008 year span. And early in his junior Days!
I'm praying for them & they have to work on offense and defense not just some games all of the games if they can do that then things will change
Feel bad for Contreras. Clearly the fall guy for a poorly-managed team that just punted on pitching for no reason. Their two best pitchers are still pitching well, but Wainright is 41 and they let Quintana walk with zero replacement plan. Half of your rotation is players who had ERA+ below 100 last year and your pitching is bad? Must be that darn catcher. Couldn't be that half our rotation is below-average pitchers.
I wasn’t surprised that the Cardinals had this downfall, even as a Cardinals fan myself. It is simple - have a team president of baseball operations who clearly can’t evaluate the talent that the Cardinals have , keep on putting players who no longer can perform at an elite level because of their advanced age, get rid of decent manager and replaced with a manager who is a “ yes person “ and have an owner who doesn’t care how bad both the president of baseball operations and manager. It was a matter of time for this to happen.
As a Brewers fan, I appreciate the LLLLLLLs that they've been getting very much... unfortunately... my team isn't that great either... also I don't appreciate the Reds having all this damn talent
I don't know what to say I'm a ranger fan. We've been one of the best teams in baseball so.
It's because your ownership is top notch. I'd love to see you guys win the series this year! Sorry bout 11... just wasn't in the cards.
Please do one on the reds, I’m an angels fan but I have to admit what they’re doing there is special. Would love to see you do a deep dive on them! Love your videos! Huge fan!! You’ve taught me so much about the game.
Thank you! I’m definitely keeping an eye on the Reds for a potential video
I got a feeling this team going to be around the same at the deadline sell just a little bit and somehow find a wildcard spot
THE YANKEES ARE BROKEN AS WELL!!! WHAT HAPPENED??? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I traveled 7 hours to watch the Angels play the Cards in St. Louis earlier this year. I expected my Angels to lose. We came back and won game 2 while I watched in the hotel room and the game I went to we scored 10 runs. I knew at that point the Cards would be terrible this year.
it’s been hard 😂😂😂😂
Get Pujols and Molina to unretire immediately. They can still save the season...
Dreading the "Mets are also broken" video... also worth noting that they knew Quintana was hurt and has pitched 0 games thus far
Cubs fan here, seeing the cardinals struggling and specifically Contreras struggling after the remarks he made about the org, it’s a beautiful sight to behold. Not that the cubs are much better, but at least they weren’t really expected to be
As a Cubs fan I’m just waiting for them to get hot at the end. It’ll suck and it’s inevitable.
Marmols days are numbered
a team with talent, if they bring out the brinks truck and carefully select high prospects to acquire 2-3 plus starting pitchers, revitalize the pitching philosophy centered around leadership with willy and arenado along with winn, gorman and jwalk blooming and trading goldy for an ace. next year could be interesting
Positive regression = progression 😉⚾️
You know it’s bad when a legendary pitcher that has stayed with a team for years says they keep finding ways to lose.
next video I suggest you do it to my mets too as how bad they are
I know it might come out overly positive if you did this, but can you do one on the Dodgers consistent ability to be a good baseball team? Please and Thank you.
New nickname for pitcher Wainwright. They use to call him “Waino” now they should call him “One-O” because he only has one good inning a game
They need a new manager
Pretty good video. They have a decent chance because they are in the nl central. My main issue is that they rely alot on home runs. We are either 0 runs or 7. We either get 0 home runs or a few.
Before the start of the season, I had the Cardinals finishing 94-68. This would win them the NL Central. Now I have them not even getting .500 at 78-84.
And possibly still win the division.
@@daBEAGLE1017 yeah lmao. The NL Central is awful
This team has been on a downtrend for years. Papering over the cracks by fleecing NL West non contenders for their best players and taking advantage of a division that only has 1-2 other teams actively trying to win at any given moment. Going into the season, my expectations were to basically repeat last season. Walk to a division win, get smashed by a good/hot ball club, and recycle. The unfortunate part is that the front office will see this as a blip on the radar that can be self corrected with minimal intervention, when it's really the Cardinals staring at the abyss of mediocrity for the next 3 years.
Things won't change until ratings and attendance fall, maybe.
The issue is John Mozeliak and Bill DeWitt Jr. The cardinals fans with brains were saying the pitching is trash, going into this season. We said the cardinals need multiple multiple pitchers, we needed an ace and a top tier second man, then the pitchers on the team would have an alpha and be able to overperform as 3s 4s and 5s. Instead as 1s and 2s they are awful. The cardinals need to trade every pitcher on the roster except waino. But they sit complacent.
Wanio is a wasted rotation spot atm
It may be possible but this year is different. They aren’t just ok they are pretty bad. You can have a great offense but if you can’t prevent the other team from scoring then it doesn’t help you much.
As a Braves never count the Cards out until the math says it. Does seem like something is up in the clubhouse.
surprised you didn't talk about how backwards the thought of putting Contreras in DH/outfield was when they have such a surplus of outfielders in their system that they had to send Jordan Walker down a mere 10 days after his historic hit streak to start his career ended. especially when the replacements they had at catcher weren't even better than him defensively and certainly not offensively.
such horrible mistreatment of the situation from a PR and development standpoint. so many things that should have been kept behind closed doors. so much pedantic BS that Marmol is airing out and forcing players to be the adults in the argument with.
Why does Marmol keep batting Contreras 4, 5 or 6? I just don't understand that logic...
Wonder how much longer it will take to organization to fire their manager. They fired a manager that got them to the playoffs to hire a manager that is terrible.
In terms of absolute disasters this season there’s a lot of competition, The White Sox A’s Royals Cardinals Mets and Padres can all make a case for worst
Losing Yadi hurt but the Cardinals DER went from #2 (2 years ago) in the NL to last this year. Their OPS is 4th but actual runs scored is middle of the pack. Pitching is a 3 to 1 SO to BB ratio and Cardinal pitchers do not strike out very many. If you have pitchers who put the ball in play and you have the worst DER in the league its pretty simple you will give up a ton of runs AND THEY DO. I believe the biggest need is team speed. It started with giving up Bader although it seems most of the Cardinals seem to be injury prone but maybe every team has this many guys on the DL or with nagging injuries. Losing Wong was a bad decision too as he has always been one of the best at saving runs defensively. Yadi was great with pitchers and kept guys at first or he picked them off. The stolen base numbers vs the Cards for the last decade and a half was ridiculously low a bigger gap from 1 to 2 than 2 to 12 I think and Yadi had us #1. We have lost a lot of what makes a team win over the last couple of years including a pretty good manager and its time to rectify that. Fire the mgr look to add team speed and improve DER back over .700 and find some pitchers with control that can strike out more than 8 per 9 IP. Hopefully we won't be doing what the White Sox have done for years and slog along with no ability to identify what wins championships. The Rays get it and they compete with the big money teams.
So hard to feel sorry for the Cardinals…..even a little.
As a Reds fan this brings me joy.
And MO will just sit on his hands and not change anything
John Mozeliak and Bill DeWitt III squandered the success they inherited from the TLR/Dewitt Jr era and they have no clue what to do about it. Their plan even in good years now is to be mediocre and hope to get lucky in the playoffs.
It's almost like you can't suck in 2 of the 3 important phases of the game and expect to do well.
As a Reds fan I could not be happier
Love it.
As a cardinals fan watching the reds on their streak is going to kill us
Their winning streak has definitely changed the dynamics of the NL central
Cardinals and Reds switched places this year
The Reds now have the good front office and bright future ehile STL COLLAPSED
Eliie De La Cruz is the Reds version of Albert Pujols
Just like how Pujols brought consistsnt winning baseball to stl DLC will do the same to the Reds
The clock has messed up alot of players and it seems more of Dominican players are affected the most
Remember what happened to the Cincinnati Reds the year prior to 2023.
They're good again
Losing 14-0 at home,definetly low point of season,too far down even in Central to come back!!
They just don't have any WOW players. Yadi retiring hurt them to the core.
Molina was a really good defensive catcher and handler of pitchers. Does this make him HOF worthy?
I know it's easier to see with hindsight, but Goldy is a year older, and they lost their biggest culture guy in Yadier, who set the tone for them forever. I mean, they go from god tier defense at the most important defensive position, to not even realistically being able to match that. They lack identity, and the guys who were killing it for them last year, being MVP candidates, aren't MVP candidates this year. They have to restructure the team and find a new signature, and they'll be back sooner rather than later I'd bet.
You cannot bet against the cardinals.
The Cardinals usually have that mid or late season magic, they need to get hit later than late.
The downfall of the Cardinals is so satisfying. I hope it lasts 109 years for all the strife Cards fans gave me as a kid.
Team era was actualy slightly worse when Contreras was dh during that span
My man said that like the Cardinals are 3 games out. How is 11 1/2 games back in late June not “insurmountable“? 😂