I'm a huge Cardinals fan. Born and raised in StL. It was a tough year, but there was something cathartic about having a truly terrible year for the first time in decades. Like we got it out of our system and can be a bit more humble.
The three big storylines you missed were the Oli Marmol / Tyler O'Niell call out, the Wilson Contreras benching, and the prolonged horribleness of Wainright while chasing 200.
Yadi was the real manager. Waino was hurt and not his usually tough self Our GM traded away pitchers who are CY caliber Goldy and Nolan went back to normal after an incredible 2022 season. Our pitchers always followed whatever pitch Yadi put down no matter what, hence they didn't know how to get strike three or an out. Helsley was hurt. Gio was hurt. Our pitching prospects haven't panned out. Pujols was our best and most clutch hitter in Aug and Sept 2022 and helped us win the division. Flaherty is immature as fuck and thinks he's an ace, when he only had one good season. Our defense wasn't as solid. The bullpen was awful. Couldn't hit with runners in scoring position Basically everything that could go wrong, went wrong
I think another factor for why the Cards fell so far behind predictions is because the Reds Brewers and Cubs all performed better than expected. Most people didn't expect the NL Central to have as many tough teams as it did
It's not a big mystery. The rotation was bad even in 2022, but it was masked by an excellent defense. Then the defense fell off a cliff in 2023 (from 1st in the NL to 10th). Arenado, Edman and Donovan went from elite defenders to average. Plus Molina retired.
The Braves had to endure a couple of these, and you'd think that's how we built what we got but it really isn't. All we really got for 1st rounders was Kyle Wright and Ian Anderson. The pool was already developing like yours is now. You'll probably have another one next year but in two years I can see you guys at 90. Also yes, sometimes it's nice to get rid of the playoff nervousness once in awhile.
It all comes back to Dollar Bill and Mo still being in charge of baseball ops. DeWitt is a cheapskate owner who justifies his cheapness with "The Cardinal Way". Meanwhile, Mo let the game pass him by a decade ago because he rested on the laurels of 2006 and '11. Now he thinks he can dumpster dive to paper over holes in roster construction he made. Then also wastes time and money on retirement tours of his greatest hits. He also fired Shildt, a manager who took definitely not playoff teams to the playoffs, and managed to hide the devastating flaws of the team. Then hired an inept, standoffish asshole for purposes of organizational inbreeding. Instead of going outside of the organization and getting a good manager, or better yet, keeping Shildt.
Everything that could wrong just about did. When they pitched, they didnt hit then they'd pitch & hit only to flub in the field or make a base running gaffe to cost the game. The starters would go 4 innings & kill the bullpen, then bullpen wouldn't hold the games for the starters when they pitched well. Base running & defense was terrible at times. After the trade deadline it was half of a AAA team. SMH
Also doesn’t help the GM didn’t get any pitching the prior offseason and then having a clown manager dog his player over 1 play that wasn’t O’Neill’s fault to begin with
If the Cardinals are 5- 11 in first 4 series I’ll be surprised. They signed 3 new starting pitchers, but haven’t fixed anything. They signed Marp, he will not hit 200. I’m sad
The Pirates were weird this year. For a second they looked to win the division. Also I thought all the Cardinals' problems were because Contreras was terrible. That's what they made it seem like when they demoted him to DH .
There was some bad luck and poor defense and base running. What really happened is the hubris and ego of the front office got in the way. It seems they thought they couldn’t make bad choices.
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As a Reds fan it was wonderful having a better record than the Cards. Funny I feel the same way about the Cardinals as I do the Steelers. The only team in division I will kinda root for is the cubs. Mainly do to my experience at Wrigley Field. That was a fantastic weekend.
I hope better. If he continues giving up a lot of contact and his low walk rate slips upward at all, useless pretty fast. Hopefully for the best, fate brought Packy to not exactly golden eras of training and coaching with Angels and Cardinals.
@@markeastridge9649 yeah ima be real ik the more likely outcome/replacability he's I'm just a Sox fan rooting for a hometown guy Sucks the Reds decided to drop em to the Angels I think he really mightve developed into a 2-ish WAR kinda guy w how he looked w his 2019 season in Daytona/Chattanooga. Even worse Goodwin didn't pan out either and they released him end of that season I'm p sure.
It’s due to Ollie’s horrible managing. After the month of July it was all over. And especially after their record of 46-57. They couldn’t improve, but if Yadi can be a coach or something for the 2024 season, they could have a winning record again. I’m a long time cardinals fan
Yeah it didn't look good for his job. I went to a game over labor day weekend and telling my dad who their manager was, but may not bother remembering that name
The 2023 cardinals failed for the same reason the 2021 Twins, 2023 Yankees, and 2022/23 Red Sox failed; aging starters underperformed and young/depth starters couldn’t step up and fill the roles of the veterans, resulting in struggling pitching staffs that weighed down the offense, and offense can only get you so far. This is why the Guardians and Rays continue to stay so consistently good to mediocre; even their bad seasons are usually at worst a few games under .500, they invest in young, controllable starters that they develop to perfection and don’t invest in older free agent starters, especially longer deals. They turn into pitching factories churning out stars. Pitching staffs can carry offenses, but offenses can rarely carry pitching staffs.
Their first non-winning season since 2007 and poorest w/l record going back to the 1995 shortened year and first time losing as many as 90 games since 1990 and the first time since 1978 the Cardinals didn't reach 70 wins in a full season. Impossibly bad season...give me a break. I don't recall St. Louis having players like Trout and Ohtani for several years and still barely finishing w/ a record similar to 71-91.
It was impossible to believe that team that won 93 games and had a rising young core could drop to LAST PLACE just a year later. That was the part that made it impossibly bad.
I'm not a fan of Marmol. He got by with having Pujols and Molina lead the team in 2022. Things went off the rails quick when he was on his own. Shoulda hired Schumaker
I don't feel the least bit positive over these off season moves, all these old players, really old. We don't spend on elite free agents, the reat of the n.l central is better and it should have been a clue the cubs didn't want Wilson. C. back and Dusty Baker stopped the cubs astros deal last July as he didn't want wilson catching their young pitchers. (Not drinking the coolaid).
It was mainly the pitching but there was times the offense couldn’t hit with RISP a lot of injuries and new guys in the lineup every day! It felt like they was cursed! They wasn’t a 90 something loss team they traded 5 of their better pitchers at the trade deadline and tanked on purpose by playing these young guys most people haven’t heard of! I think they will be better this year but they still need pitching help!!!
A typical Cardinals offense would be a runner on first 1 out. The batter hits the ball into the gap for...a ground rule double. Next batter strike out. Next hitter smashes a ball deep only to be caught. This happened over and over.
JoMo gave order 66 to a few key guys. I've never seen us lose so many games in late innings in so many ways. Bill will never let Jo Mo leave and Jo Mo will never die Oli.
I agree with everything except inept organization. They seem to put a good product on the field but nothing clicked and Marmol...a lot of other organizations probably woulda canned him.
this season was awful lol. also i actually went to that cardinals giants game with the mike yastrzemski homer, and i actually got it on video ruclips.net/user/shortsTVqii1cwtxE
I'm a huge Cardinals fan. Born and raised in StL. It was a tough year, but there was something cathartic about having a truly terrible year for the first time in decades. Like we got it out of our system and can be a bit more humble.
Interesting way to look at it
The three big storylines you missed were the Oli Marmol / Tyler O'Niell call out, the Wilson Contreras benching, and the prolonged horribleness of Wainright while chasing 200.
Yadi was the real manager.
Waino was hurt and not his usually tough self
Our GM traded away pitchers who are CY caliber
Goldy and Nolan went back to normal after an incredible 2022 season.
Our pitchers always followed whatever pitch Yadi put down no matter what, hence they didn't know how to get strike three or an out.
Helsley was hurt.
Gio was hurt.
Our pitching prospects haven't panned out.
Pujols was our best and most clutch hitter in Aug and Sept 2022 and helped us win the division.
Flaherty is immature as fuck and thinks he's an ace, when he only had one good season.
Our defense wasn't as solid.
The bullpen was awful.
Couldn't hit with runners in scoring position
Basically everything that could go wrong, went wrong
Ditto!
kinda hard to win many games no matter how bad ur division is with zero pitching
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The Tauchman HR robbery would have been a neat addition, as it was right before the deadline
Been a Cards fan since 1998, this one hurt.😢
Im just glad we didnt finish last in the league. We havemt done that since 1918 and id love to keep that streak
I think another factor for why the Cards fell so far behind predictions is because the Reds Brewers and Cubs all performed better than expected. Most people didn't expect the NL Central to have as many tough teams as it did
It's not a big mystery. The rotation was bad even in 2022, but it was masked by an excellent defense. Then the defense fell off a cliff in 2023 (from 1st in the NL to 10th). Arenado, Edman and Donovan went from elite defenders to average. Plus Molina retired.
The Braves had to endure a couple of these, and you'd think that's how we built what we got but it really isn't. All we really got for 1st rounders was Kyle Wright and Ian Anderson. The pool was already developing like yours is now. You'll probably have another one next year but in two years I can see you guys at 90. Also yes, sometimes it's nice to get rid of the playoff nervousness once in awhile.
It all comes back to Dollar Bill and Mo still being in charge of baseball ops. DeWitt is a cheapskate owner who justifies his cheapness with "The Cardinal Way". Meanwhile, Mo let the game pass him by a decade ago because he rested on the laurels of 2006 and '11. Now he thinks he can dumpster dive to paper over holes in roster construction he made. Then also wastes time and money on retirement tours of his greatest hits. He also fired Shildt, a manager who took definitely not playoff teams to the playoffs, and managed to hide the devastating flaws of the team. Then hired an inept, standoffish asshole for purposes of organizational inbreeding. Instead of going outside of the organization and getting a good manager, or better yet, keeping Shildt.
Everything that could wrong just about did. When they pitched, they didnt hit then they'd pitch & hit only to flub in the field or make a base running gaffe to cost the game. The starters would go 4 innings & kill the bullpen, then bullpen wouldn't hold the games for the starters when they pitched well. Base running & defense was terrible at times. After the trade deadline it was half of a AAA team. SMH
I just want to add that us cardinal fans were screaming at the front office all off season to add pitching
2024 Cards first five series: at LAD(4 games), at SD, MIA, PHI, at AZ. 8-8 at that point would be heroic.
It was an outlier year, none of this will continue as it’s not in the cardinals to be trash.
Also doesn’t help the GM didn’t get any pitching the prior offseason and then having a clown manager dog his player over 1 play that wasn’t O’Neill’s fault to begin with
If the Cardinals are 5- 11 in first 4 series I’ll be surprised. They signed 3 new starting pitchers, but haven’t fixed anything. They signed Marp, he will not hit 200. I’m sad
The Pirates were weird this year. For a second they looked to win the division.
Also I thought all the Cardinals' problems were because Contreras was terrible. That's what they made it seem like when they demoted him to DH .
There was some bad luck and poor defense and base running. What really happened is the hubris and ego of the front office got in the way. It seems they thought they couldn’t make bad choices.
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As a Reds fan it was wonderful having a better record than the Cards. Funny I feel the same way about the Cardinals as I do the Steelers. The only team in division I will kinda root for is the cubs. Mainly do to my experience at Wrigley Field. That was a fantastic weekend.
I get the Cards/Steelers comp
the most improbable season. shit people think is impossible is just improbable
Aight but just wait till Packy Naughton has THE comeback season of a comeback season post-injury once they call him back up from Memphis
I hope better. If he continues giving up a lot of contact and his low walk rate slips upward at all, useless pretty fast. Hopefully for the best, fate brought Packy to not exactly golden eras of training and coaching with Angels and Cardinals.
@@markeastridge9649 yeah ima be real ik the more likely outcome/replacability he's I'm just a Sox fan rooting for a hometown guy
Sucks the Reds decided to drop em to the Angels I think he really mightve developed into a 2-ish WAR kinda guy w how he looked w his 2019 season in Daytona/Chattanooga. Even worse Goodwin didn't pan out either and they released him end of that season I'm p sure.
As a Brewers fan, I loved it.
I feel like we are going to see some tough years ahead.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. I don’t look for any significant improvement as long as Bill DwWitt owns the team.
It’s due to Ollie’s horrible managing. After the month of July it was all over. And especially after their record of 46-57. They couldn’t improve, but if Yadi can be a coach or something for the 2024 season, they could have a winning record again. I’m a long time cardinals fan
Yeah it didn't look good for his job. I went to a game over labor day weekend and telling my dad who their manager was, but may not bother remembering that name
From first to worst in a single season…
The 2023 cardinals failed for the same reason the 2021 Twins, 2023 Yankees, and 2022/23 Red Sox failed; aging starters underperformed and young/depth starters couldn’t step up and fill the roles of the veterans, resulting in struggling pitching staffs that weighed down the offense, and offense can only get you so far. This is why the Guardians and Rays continue to stay so consistently good to mediocre; even their bad seasons are usually at worst a few games under .500, they invest in young, controllable starters that they develop to perfection and don’t invest in older free agent starters, especially longer deals. They turn into pitching factories churning out stars.
Pitching staffs can carry offenses, but offenses can rarely carry pitching staffs.
Their first non-winning season since 2007 and poorest w/l record going back to the 1995 shortened year and first time losing as many as 90 games since 1990 and the first time since 1978 the Cardinals didn't reach 70 wins in a full season.
Impossibly bad season...give me a break. I don't recall St. Louis having players like Trout and Ohtani for several years and still barely finishing w/ a record similar to 71-91.
It was impossible to believe that team that won 93 games and had a rising young core could drop to LAST PLACE just a year later. That was the part that made it impossibly bad.
As a yankee fan do one on us last year. What a disappointment season it was.
Oh I did - here you go - ruclips.net/video/S2AoEkhEFII/видео.html
This video is retraumatizing me
The best thing is. The Cardinals fixed like 0 of their problems so they’re gonna have another god awful season
I'm not a fan of Marmol. He got by with having Pujols and Molina lead the team in 2022. Things went off the rails quick when he was on his own. Shoulda hired Schumaker
I loved watching the Cardinals struggle that season as a Brewers fan
I don't feel the least bit positive over these off season moves, all these old players, really old. We don't spend on elite free agents, the reat of the n.l central is better and it should have been a clue the cubs didn't want Wilson. C. back and Dusty Baker stopped the cubs astros deal last July as he didn't want wilson catching their young pitchers. (Not drinking the coolaid).
Definitely not digging the pitching moves. Gray is solid but aside from that, they dont scream championship
It was mainly the pitching but there was times the offense couldn’t hit with RISP a lot of injuries and new guys in the lineup every day! It felt like they was cursed! They wasn’t a 90 something loss team they traded 5 of their better pitchers at the trade deadline and tanked on purpose by playing these young guys most people haven’t heard of! I think they will be better this year but they still need pitching help!!!
A typical Cardinals offense would be a runner on first 1 out. The batter hits the ball into the gap for...a ground rule double. Next batter strike out. Next hitter smashes a ball deep only to be caught. This happened over and over.
They killed Waino
JoMo gave order 66 to a few key guys. I've never seen us lose so many games in late innings in so many ways. Bill will never let Jo Mo leave and Jo Mo will never die Oli.
Fire oli marmol he’s the worst manager I’ve ever seen
An inept organization plus an incompetent manager and a bunch of underachieving players usually doesn’t make for a successful season.
I agree with everything except inept organization. They seem to put a good product on the field but nothing clicked and Marmol...a lot of other organizations probably woulda canned him.
Cubs > cardinals
this season was awful lol. also i actually went to that cardinals giants game with the mike yastrzemski homer, and i actually got it on video ruclips.net/user/shortsTVqii1cwtxE