The BIZARRE DRAMA Between the 1987 St. Louis Cardinals NFL & MLB Teams

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • In 1987, while the NFL St. Louis Cardinals and their scab players were preparing for a game against the Washington Redskins, one player on the MLB St. Louis Cardinals, Jack Clark, was furious, to the point where he legitimately threaten to kill/severely injure the scab players and send them back to where they came from. It was a bizarre controversy that, when you break it down, doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. This is the story behind the bizarre drama between both the football Cardinals and the baseball Cardinals
    NOTE: Not sure why, but the sound briefly cut out for a second at 4:34. The sentence was supposed to say “this race was getting close,” but it cut out after two words
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    Members of the 1987 Cardinals (NFL):
    Sammy Garza
    Greg Horne
    Jim Gallery
    Mark Royals
    Greg Cater
    Neil Lomax
    Jason Staurovsky
    Al Del Greco
    Cliff Stoudt
    Shawn Halloran
    Travis Curtis
    Dwayne Anderson
    Mark Jackson
    Terrence Anthony
    Ed Scott
    Ron Wolfley
    Ken Sims
    Tony Mayes
    Gregg Johnson
    Johnny Holloway
    Stump Mitchell
    Earl Ferrell
    Derrick McAdoo
    Vai Sikahema
    Mark Mathis
    Broderick Sargent
    Don Goodman
    Carl Carter
    John Preston
    Lonnie Young
    Leonard Smith
    Tim McDonald
    Cedric Mack
    Charles Wright
    Ilia Jarostchuk
    Tony Buford
    Mike Ruether
    Keith Radecic
    Jimmie Carter
    Charles Baker
    Wayne Davis
    EJ Junior
    Anthony Bell
    Jeff Paine
    Pete Noga
    Niko Noga
    Terence Mack
    Phil Forney
    Steve Alvord
    Lance Smith
    Ray Brown
    Tootie Robbins
    Todd Peat
    Joe Bock
    David Galloway
    Tom Welter
    Luis Sharpe
    Ron Pasquale
    Charles Vatterott
    Mike Morris
    Colin Scotts
    Victor Burnett
    Victor Perry
    Derek Kennard
    Joe Bostic
    Rod Saddler
    Anthony Burke
    Mark Duda
    Gene Chilton
    Curtis Greer
    Mark Garalczyk
    Freddie Joe Nunn
    Ron Bohm
    Gary Dulin
    Bob Clasby
    Bob Keseday
    Robert Awalt
    Roy Green
    Don Holmes
    Ron Brown
    JT Smith
    Jay Novacek
    Clarence Collins
    Adrian McBride
    Troy Johnson
    William Harris
    Gene Stallings (head coach)
    Members of the 1987 Cardinals (MLB):
    Skeeter Barnes
    Rod Booker
    Jack Clark
    Vince Coleman
    Tim Conroy
    Danny Cox
    Bill Dawley
    Ken Dayley
    Doug DeCinces
    Dan Driessen
    Curt Ford
    Bob Forsch
    David Green
    Tom Herr
    Ricky Horton
    Lance Johnson
    Mike Laga
    Steve Lake
    Tito Landrum
    Dave LaPoint
    Tom Lawless
    Jim Lindeman
    Joe Magrane
    Greg Mathews
    Willie McGee
    John Morris
    Randy O’Neal
    Jose Oquendo
    Tom Pagnozzi
    Tony Pena
    Terry Pendleton
    Pat Perry
    Steve Peters
    Ozzie Smith
    Ray Soff
    Scott Terry
    John Tudor
    Lee Tunnell
    Todd Worrell
    Whitey Herzog (manager)

Комментарии • 537

  • @davidchodds
    @davidchodds 2 года назад +13

    "Willis" McGee. Lol. That's like calling Michael Jordan, Mickey Jordan or Tom Brady, Timothy Brady. Omg.

    • @robertlevine2827
      @robertlevine2827 2 года назад +4

      To quote Gary Coleman with somewhat different intonation, "Whatchyoo talkin' about, Willis?"

    • @bobma6342
      @bobma6342 2 года назад +1

      Some of his teammates called him that because he reminded them of Gary Coleman. He had the mumps one time and had chubby cheeks.

  • @GregoryWeagle
    @GregoryWeagle 2 года назад +82

    Love the WWF cameo in the newspaper clipping partially showing a prototype match to the Royal Rumble match which debut in January 1988.

    • @travismiller4320
      @travismiller4320 2 года назад +12

      Looks like it was only a 12 man Royal Rumble

    • @ZeroCrystal
      @ZeroCrystal 2 года назад +11

      @@travismiller4320 True, but you got Paul Orndorff and Rick Rude in it, and they were fresh into a feud after Rude's debut. Would have been worth admission price.

    • @RetroJR3379
      @RetroJR3379 2 года назад +5

      You beat me to it lol

    • @GregoryWeagle
      @GregoryWeagle 2 года назад +5

      @@travismiller4320 It was probably one of those matches done as a test to see if the Royal Rumble concept would be accepted by the fans in that house show. Seems to have worked, too.
      For what it is worth, the first Royal Rumble in January 1988 was with 20 men and was on cable. The Royal Rumble didn't become a PPV and increase to 30 until 1989. Also, before it officially became the Royal Rumble, it was sometimes called a Rumble Royal.

    • @cameronrose9902
      @cameronrose9902 2 года назад +1

      I would pay to see rude vs orndorff, I'm saying Rude won with help from Heenan!!!

  • @tomworrier
    @tomworrier 2 года назад +34

    ah yes, I remember the '87 strike well! Washington wins their second Super Bowl (the first one also coming during a strike-shortened season in 1982) completely random unrelated side note: the WWF newspaper ad at 10:02 features the first ever test run of the Royal Rumble, which was won by the One Man Gang

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, good thing the Vikings crushed the 49ers, and, subsequently, forgot, how, to catch.

    • @ajk
      @ajk 2 года назад +2

      Glad I wasn't only one who caught that, didn't realize it was the very first though, although makes sense with the verbiage in the ad. Also..on another unrelated note.....some guy named Ric Rude was on that card apparently. No word on if he was related to Rick Rude or not......lol.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +1

      @ajk Relationships, are, very confusing.

    • @williamrogers7974
      @williamrogers7974 2 года назад +1

      He looked an awful lot like Bam Bam Bigalo

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@williamrogers7974 Numerous things greatly explained.

  • @ATCguy1973
    @ATCguy1973 2 года назад +73

    Can you please do a Mets/Jets dispute over the years at Shea stadium? Also in 1975, Shea stadium hosted both My baseball and football teams.

    • @Ghostrider6A
      @Ghostrider6A 2 года назад +30

      Yankees, Mets, Jets, Giants all used Shea in 1975. Yankee Stadium was in the middle of a renovation.

    • @AdamJ617
      @AdamJ617 2 года назад +6

      I totally agree that there should be a video about both NY baseball teams AND both NY NFL teams sharing the same stadium. I didn’t know about it, and so that is a great video suggestion.

    • @Ghostrider6A
      @Ghostrider6A 2 года назад +2

      @@AdamJ617 I'd certainly be interested in knowing on how the schedules were formed that year...especially on Sundays during baseball season.

    • @theknightswhosay
      @theknightswhosay 2 года назад

      I imagine things happened at yankee stadium and the polo grounds too.

    • @russellgrosser-7677
      @russellgrosser-7677 4 месяца назад +1

      That would be an enjoyable video to watch for sure!
      I'd like to see one re: the Buffalo Sabres and the former NBA Buffalo Braves (now the LA Clippers) who always argued over scheduling issues in the old Memorial Auditorium.

  • @bkjbearcat78
    @bkjbearcat78 2 года назад +57

    I remember people used to call the football Cards the Big Red to differ them from the baseball team. Being from the KC area I remember both the Big Red and the Chiefs were horrible most of the ‘80s. In fact when both teams faced one another depending on the home team one side of the state couldn’t watch the game. It wasn’t until the Chiefs faced the Rams in the mid 90s that the whole state could watch a game between its teams. Bush stadium while a good baseball stadium was horrible for football. Arrowhead was way ahead of it. The problem for fans in St. Louis, the Dome wasn’t all that much better.

    • @TLOWNSU
      @TLOWNSU 2 года назад +5

      The Dome was kinda shit I agree, but man do I have fond memories watching Rams games there

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад +7

      Haha, you said Bush stadium 😋🤣

    • @davidlafleche1142
      @davidlafleche1142 2 года назад +2

      The cookie-cutter stadiums were slightly better-suited for football than for baseball. The Dome was designed for football; structurally, there was never anything wrong with it. Football fans were too fussy, just like baseball fans who hate Tropicana Field.

    • @Gage_Brumley
      @Gage_Brumley 9 месяцев назад

      @@davidlafleche1142Problem is the Dome was built in an awkward era when stadium designs were really improving. It was more similar to the RCA Dome, SilverDome and Metrodome that it was to newer domed stadiums such as Ford Field. The Alamodome had the same problem

    • @danzemacabre8899
      @danzemacabre8899 3 месяца назад

      They were "the team I'm not allowed to root for because they don't win opposed to the baseball team "the team I have to root for because it's part of the family' that's why the football team left there was a whole lot of that

  • @RetroJR3379
    @RetroJR3379 2 года назад +21

    Not surprised about Jack Clark he even wanted to fight Tony Gwynn when he was a Padres.

  • @bmilam5
    @bmilam5 2 года назад +2

    Willis McGee? WTH? How about John Montana? LOL -- My man you do a good job but, for the love of God, have a someone proofread your scripts. HOWEVERRRR....

  • @MKISports
    @MKISports 2 года назад +7

    Imagine if the football Cardinals stayed in St. Louis instead of going to Arizona. The Rams should've stayed in Los Angeles instead of heading to STL.

    • @Zs_Guitar
      @Zs_Guitar 2 года назад

      That’s how it should of always been. St. Louis should still have there football team Baseball team and hockey team.

    • @danzemacabre8899
      @danzemacabre8899 3 месяца назад

      And st.louis would never had a super bowl win

  • @wewin03
    @wewin03 2 года назад +24

    I’m old enough to remember Jack Clark. His personality rating would’ve been higher if he spiked his opinion into the ground on every single play.

    • @CarlosMedina-vj7ot
      @CarlosMedina-vj7ot 2 года назад +3

      He was the only guy to play in San Diego and somehow not get along with Tony Gwynn. The homer against the Dodgers in the NLCS tho….

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 2 года назад +2

      Did you read about Jack Clark's bankruptcy in 1992? He owned a ridiculous number of cars.

  • @FatPigInTheHouse
    @FatPigInTheHouse 2 года назад +41

    Who gets upset? The people who work concessions just to get by. The owners and staff of restaurants and bars that surround the arenas. The parking attendants. The stadium maintenance staff. Literally everyone.

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад +2

      And Yugoslavians, don't forget about them!

    • @williamwilkinson381
      @williamwilkinson381 2 года назад +1

      Wtf would they care huh?

    • @dandyjimbuckley
      @dandyjimbuckley 2 года назад

      I’m not upset…😤🤬😭, although I would feel better about the situation if I had a huge pile of 💵💰💴 to lay down on too…that being said, I sure hope ESPN has an option to renew their contract with the KBO 🇰🇷 🙏🏼…can’t go on without my ⚾️ fix.

  • @Firebirdfrenzy79
    @Firebirdfrenzy79 2 года назад +5

    Football-only guy referring to the great Willie McGee as “Willis”. C’Mon man!

  • @Zs_Guitar
    @Zs_Guitar 2 года назад +11

    Man I miss old Busch Stadium so much cooler looking than new Busch. Love the arches on the top of the stadium and the real arch just outside.

    • @randallfloyd4476
      @randallfloyd4476 2 года назад

      same here....such a great atmosphere in that place, and the turf looked awesome.

  • @jasondickstein71
    @jasondickstein71 2 года назад +12

    Jack Clark is best remembered for his series clinching HR in game 6 of the ‘85 NLCS against LA.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +1

      World Series, infamous, though.

    • @juliansmith1951
      @juliansmith1951 2 года назад +2

      @@matthewdaley746 Hall of Fame baseball voice Jack Buck said Swing and a long into left adios good bye and maybe that's a winner a 3 run homer and the cardinals lead by the score of 7-5 and they may go to the world series on that one folks

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@juliansmith1951 Alas, ultimately, unfortunate, outcome.

    • @alexsweet8585
      @alexsweet8585 2 года назад

      ...and dropping the foul in game 6 of that WS.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +2

      @@alexsweet8585 The Cardinals quit psychologically.

  • @johnnysama
    @johnnysama 2 года назад +9

    It was so long to the NFL Cardinals in St. Louis after all this drama. X( Pretty crazy story.

  • @wyattmann8157
    @wyattmann8157 2 года назад +3

    “Willis” McGee? Wha choo talking ‘bout?

  • @rockylum6947
    @rockylum6947 2 года назад +16

    I am not surprised that this story revolves around Jack Clark. He was a brilliant hitter,but he was also famous for his surly demeanour.

    • @kennethhall289
      @kennethhall289 2 года назад +5

      He wasn’t calls Jack the Ripper just for his home runs

  • @skidawg22
    @skidawg22 2 года назад +31

    1987 was sadly the last year for the football Cards in St. Louis, ultimately culminating in a $790 million lawsuit settlement in November. On the subject of historic teams, shout out to the Montreal Expos. Also, Yugoslavia.

    • @kevinlarkin2696
      @kevinlarkin2696 2 года назад +2

      I thought that settlement was for the St. LOUIS Rams

    • @hermmmc
      @hermmmc 2 года назад +1

      That settlement was for the Rams. St. Louis got nothing for the Cardinals except a mercenary team for 21 years.

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris 2 года назад +1

      @@hermmmc neither of those teams were native to St Louis.

    • @hermmmc
      @hermmmc 2 года назад

      @@TheSjuris Let's see, of the 8 major league sports teams that play in LA, exactly 3 of them started there as expansion teams, so LA has pretty much been the king of poaching teams. Also had the football Cardinals not moved in 1960 there would've been no football Cardinals, they were doing that poorly in Chicago. As it was the city built them a new stadium in 1966 only to have a greedy owner reject it less than 2 decades later.

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris 2 года назад

      @@hermmmc same owner as the one that foolishly moved the team to a baseball city. Have to remember the league never wanted to even have another football team in Shit Louis after the Cardinals left.

  • @teto85
    @teto85 2 года назад +21

    As a long time SF Giants fans I am not surprised with Jack Clark's asshattery.

    • @chrismagruder24
      @chrismagruder24 2 года назад +2

      How crazy is it that two of the biggest jerks in SF Giants history shared the same name and number?

    • @JJGerrard1980
      @JJGerrard1980 2 года назад +2

      Psshhh..like you got room to talk with Will Clark over there. One of the biggest D-bags in bb history and one of the Giants most beloved players. Between Clark, Bonds, Bonds Sr., Jeff Kent, and Leonard's douchey hr trot, it seems like it's a prerequisite for Giant's stars to be total A-holes.

    • @stevenking6129
      @stevenking6129 2 года назад +2

      Everyone hates scabs

    • @mholtebeck
      @mholtebeck 2 года назад

      @@JJGerrard1980 Jack Clark was always a big asshole. I don't remember Will be a giant a-hole. Jeff Kent is pretty big one, and Bonds is also. But there is no shortage of a-holes.

    • @nicoleknight9412
      @nicoleknight9412 2 года назад

      @@JJGerrard1980 Except for Mays, maybe

  • @Gen-X-Memories
    @Gen-X-Memories 3 месяца назад +1

    I remember Bidwell whining about just wanting a bigger stadium so the Cardinals could compete with other teams. He was such a cheapskate and terrible owner. He couldn't even fill Busch Memorial on a regular basis.

  • @mooninites755
    @mooninites755 3 месяца назад +1

    I think this is a pretty disingenuous portrayal of what he said, even if what he said was bad.
    He said he was going to hit line drives at them, not that he would kill them. The fact that a line drive could kill them, is not the same as saying he would.
    This wasn't some angry, anti-immigrant rant. He was angry about the scabs and, historically speaking, scabs have traditionally been immigrants from poorer, Eastern Europe countries. It's probably a lot less relevant or well known today, given that it's been like 120 years since poor, Eastern Europeans have been coming in as scabs to work in the factories. It's a relevant piece of US history that gets glossed over today, but was probably significant when Jack Clark was in school. The quote seems more symbolic rather than he actually thought they were from Yugoslavia

  • @michaelholman517minKC
    @michaelholman517minKC 2 года назад +19

    Jack Clark was nuts. This story doesn’t surprise me in the least…

    • @WaltGekko
      @WaltGekko 2 года назад +10

      Considering he filed for bankruptcy while still an active player years later, it does not surprise me.

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- 2 года назад +2

      Steroids?

    • @AlexDanielCPhT
      @AlexDanielCPhT 2 года назад +1

      @@encycl07pedia- Excessive car collecting, if I remember correctly.

    • @bobma6342
      @bobma6342 2 года назад +1

      @@encycl07pedia- if I didn't know any better I would say CTE

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- 2 года назад

      @@bobma6342 He was a baseball player. I don't think CTE is much of an issue in baseball.

  • @TheY2AProblem
    @TheY2AProblem 2 года назад +3

    10:00. Holy shit!!! Paul Orndorff vs Ric Rude!!! I can’t wait to see that match!

  • @danivuk2036
    @danivuk2036 2 года назад +29

    As some one whose family came from the former Yugoslavia, I love that my Twins beat his Cardinals in 87.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +4

      Metrodome certainly possessed influence.

    • @tygrkhat4087
      @tygrkhat4087 2 года назад +4

      I'm a Cards fan, but that was a great World Series.

    • @danivuk2036
      @danivuk2036 2 года назад +3

      @@tygrkhat4087 yeah it was.

    • @reintaler6355
      @reintaler6355 2 года назад +2

      the Twins are the most clutch pro team in MN by a country mile...

    • @Kingpinmat
      @Kingpinmat 2 года назад +1

      Yeah The Twins AND The Umpires beat the Cardinals!
      I remember it well! There were several but the biggest Umpire FAIL came in the 6th inning of Gm 7 when Tommy Herr was picked off 1st base with one out & the score tied 2-2!
      First Frank Viola balked! Then interference on Kent Hrbeck in the baseline blocking Herr from getting back to first! Last but not least Herr was clearly safe getting back! On top of that the Umpire couldn't see cause his vision was blocked so he just guessed! Tommy Herr should've been awarded 2nd base with only one out! May not have meant the game but it sure changed the momentum & strategy with 3 innings left to play (along with several other Umpire fails)! I'm not a sore loser, just hate to get cheated by officiating & then see a Twins fan gloat! I actually liked the Twins but they had help throughout that series! End of rant

  • @paulweston8408
    @paulweston8408 2 года назад +14

    Hearing a baseball player complain about the NFL strike is seriously tone deaf. Anybody remember the 94 World Series?
    Fun note, Jack Clark hit a homerun in every game I saw him play live. I really liked him as a player, but he could take batting practice at a lot of places in St. Louis. Hard for an entire football team to move practice no matter if they are real players or scabs for One guy to get 30 or so extra pitches of bp.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +1

      The, "fans," of Montreal would have you believe they would have, won, it, and, The, 1981, World Series, and, that they only don't have a team, for, those reasons, economics, indifference to baseball itself, don't bother us, with, your facts.

    • @WaltGekko
      @WaltGekko 2 года назад +1

      This was seven years before that 1994 strike that in retrospect HAD to happen or MLB would have been facing far worse consequences, including being potentially shut down by courts for the 1995 and '96 seasons if MLB had caved into the players because that would have likely meant the Pirates would have folded (they were that toxic financial-wise at the time) as Pennsylvania legislators likely use legal action to block MLB from operating at all until a solution was found that kept the Pirates afloat.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@WaltGekko Yeah, no, the players could have chosen to be unselfish, and, did, not, they struck of their own accord, and, were, not, forced, but, they, conveniently, leave that part out.

    • @LeBasketballGuy
      @LeBasketballGuy 2 года назад +1

      Oh shit, 1987 happened before 1994??? You mean Hulk Hogan slammed Andre The Giant when he was already dead?

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +1

      @@LeBasketballGuy What an awesome trick.

  • @VortexTheShark
    @VortexTheShark 2 года назад +4

    Duuuude the old WWF newspaper ads lol

  • @kolfibrown6540
    @kolfibrown6540 2 года назад +2

    1987 Worldseries my Minnesota Twins defeated that 1987 St.Louis Cardinals team

  • @eddyalonso7661
    @eddyalonso7661 2 года назад +3

    This story could have been told in 1/4 the time.

  • @MilsurpMikeChannel
    @MilsurpMikeChannel 2 года назад +15

    You need to do the Jack Del Rio/Otis Taylor fight.

    • @bobma6342
      @bobma6342 2 года назад

      how did that happen?

  • @jerseygunz
    @jerseygunz 2 года назад +4

    Love that WWF actually advertised a pose down hahaha

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад

      1980s WWF: We need to bring in more of the female audience!
      2020s WWE: We need to bring in more of the transgender audience!

  • @scottweber3792
    @scottweber3792 2 года назад +3

    ‘Willis’ McGee? Come on man.

    • @Bruce12867
      @Bruce12867 2 года назад +2

      Probably had Willis McGahee on the brain.

    • @CTubeMan
      @CTubeMan 2 года назад +2

      Whatchu talkin ‘bout, Jaguar?

  • @positively_broad_st3780
    @positively_broad_st3780 10 месяцев назад +1

    Whatcho talkin' 'bout with 'Willis'?

  • @SigHawk04
    @SigHawk04 2 года назад +3

    A nod to number 22 on 2-22-22.

  • @davidseymour6447
    @davidseymour6447 2 года назад +4

    So did the two teams really hate each other, as it said in the video description, or did Clark merely hate the football scab players?

    • @Boogaboioringale
      @Boogaboioringale 2 года назад

      It was just Clark.

    • @mholtebeck
      @mholtebeck 2 года назад

      @@Boogaboioringale And Jack Clark hated everybody.

  • @markmenning1804
    @markmenning1804 2 года назад +11

    The baseball Cardinals lost in the World Series to the Twins

    • @KWCline91
      @KWCline91 2 года назад

      That era of Cardinals baseball was bittersweet. On one hand, they were perhaps the best team in the National League in the 80's. On the other hand, they lost two World Series in three attempts.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @Kenneth Cline The 1980s, had three teams that, really, should have been, Dynasties, the, Cardinals, Mets, and, Athletics. The Cardinals, lost, Keith Hernandez, and, that just submarined them. The Mets, were, a victim of many things, The, Playoff Format, truly, stood out. The Athletics needed an earthquake, to, win, even, once, and, adding insult to injury, were, bookended by a Twins team that, would, win, the, World Series, in their only two Playoff appearances. The only, multiple, Champion, in, the 1980s, were, the Dodgers, and, Toronto, was, good, for, three years, but, would, win, two, straight, World Series.

  • @JeffCirillo
    @JeffCirillo 2 года назад +4

    Twitter blue checks would have a field day with Jack Clark today.

  • @Madstsone
    @Madstsone 2 года назад +4

    Pretty sure the Yugoslavia thing was a joke. See back in the 80s, in addition to football and baseball being played in the same stadiums, people also had a sense of humor even when they were pissed off.

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад +1

      Except that there's absolutely nothing about jack Clark in this video to even remotely suggest he has a sense of humor at all.

    • @urbanleftbehind
      @urbanleftbehind 2 года назад

      Maybe it was a wise self-censor instead of saying north or east st. Louis or worse. Also could have been the O line against the D line were you might see some -ski, - ich and -ak last names.

  • @fredact
    @fredact 2 года назад +1

    The were replacement players. Please refrain from using the highly inflammitory "s" word. That's very very offensive to many people.

  • @LeBasketballGuy
    @LeBasketballGuy 2 года назад +11

    I don't miss the headaches but seeing NFL games with a dirt infield was kinda cool and I miss that.

    • @prestonlindbeck1197
      @prestonlindbeck1197 2 года назад +2

      All but a memory now.

    • @theknightswhosay
      @theknightswhosay 2 года назад

      Yeah the only team that played horizontally across the baseball diamond was the last one to get a different stadium when the Raiders moved to Vegas.

  • @annaleighstewart2315
    @annaleighstewart2315 2 года назад +6

    I am a Twins fan since I do live in Minnesota, but do you think the 87 WS would have bern different if Clark was available for that 4-3 Series loss by the Cardinals.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      Unsure, but, I think the Mets would have stopped them, just, unquestionably.

    • @Rockhound6165
      @Rockhound6165 2 года назад +1

      I don't think it would have mattered because STL's pitching killed them in that series. When you're giving up 10, 8, and 11 runs in a World Series game Babe Ruth isn't going to save you.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @Rockhound6165 The Mets had a, better, offense, and, their pitching hadn't fallen off, yet, the Twins sure lucked out, no question.

    • @silyrabittrxr4kids5
      @silyrabittrxr4kids5 2 года назад +1

      @@matthewdaley746 If the Twins didn't have homefield the Mets or any N.L. team would've struggled at the Dome. The Twins didn't lose a W.S. home game in 87 or 91, however, they didn't win a single W.S. road game either.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@silyrabittrxr4kids5 Yeah, but, the Cardinals, were, hitless wonders, with, virtually, no power, who relied, on, speed, and, adequate, pitching, the Mets took a team's heart, by, clobbering them, early, and/or, sticking around, late.

  • @DillonDigitalVideo
    @DillonDigitalVideo 2 года назад +3

    I'm sorry, but at (10:00), I can NOT stop focusing on and trying to read about the WWF wrestling match between Ric Rude and Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorf! I'm in need of Adderall...

    • @Rockhound6165
      @Rockhound6165 2 года назад +1

      Look at the rest of the card as well. Pretty good matches for that era. Bundy vs Steamboat, Orton vs Muraco(the original Rock), One Man Gang vs JYD, Bulldogs vs Demolition.

    • @DillonDigitalVideo
      @DillonDigitalVideo 2 года назад

      @@Rockhound6165 ~ Yeah man, good stuff!

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 2 года назад +1

      Also no doubt seven year old Randy was there watching dad

  • @jeremyday212
    @jeremyday212 2 года назад +1

    Willis McGee? Just one more thing. Jack Clark was good at first base and fit in well for that team. I would not state him as the 3rd MVP of that team. I would put Herr, Cox, and Pendleton over Clark in 87.

  • @PaulGreen11
    @PaulGreen11 2 года назад +2

    Hold On...
    The St. Louis Cardinals hated
    The St. Louis Cardinals??

  • @sweetpeach3649
    @sweetpeach3649 2 года назад +6

    I can't imagine how confusing this would be lol. Like if the Steelers were still called the Pirates as well.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +2

      The, Pirates, made, "A, Deal, With, The, Devil," for, 1960, 1971, and, 1979, and, "The, Devil's," been, collecting, ever, since.

    • @SteelerFanInRI
      @SteelerFanInRI 2 года назад +4

      Or if the San Francisco Giants decided to stay in New York

    • @stevenbauer4799
      @stevenbauer4799 2 года назад +4

      Could have had two royals in kc at one time as well.

    • @kurttoy5035
      @kurttoy5035 2 года назад +4

      Or if the Brooklyn baseball Dodgers hadn't moved to LA and the football Brooklyn Dodgers were still in operation.

    • @pronkb000
      @pronkb000 2 года назад +3

      There were a ton of MLB/NFL crossover nicknames up until about the 1940's. The Cardinals were the last holdout.

  • @peacefrog0521
    @peacefrog0521 2 года назад +3

    Jack Clark: *angry xenophobic rant*
    Gene Stallings: “I need to talk to your Manager.”
    Jack Clark: “Ok Karen…”

    • @petecapravos3044
      @petecapravos3044 2 года назад +4

      Clark was the Karen, a big drama queen with an even bigger ego.

  • @theholyvineofdavid647
    @theholyvineofdavid647 2 месяца назад

    Paul Orndorff had just turned babyface and was in a feud with Rick Rude over who had a better body

  • @emorimiku
    @emorimiku 3 месяца назад

    got me looking at the wikipedia page for Yugoslavia to figure out where the fuck that comment from Clark came from... I got nothing

  • @vickrunalza8057
    @vickrunalza8057 2 года назад +2

    I lived in Tempe, AZ for 18 months … Phoenix is indeed a different city.

    • @Rockhound6165
      @Rockhound6165 2 года назад +1

      So is Irving, by quite a distance, but they still say the Cowboys are in Dallas.

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 2 года назад

      Detroit Lions used to play their games at the Silverdome in Pontiac.

  • @alanstrong55
    @alanstrong55 Месяц назад

    The NFL Cardinals just had a tough time beating their competitors.

  • @johncate9541
    @johncate9541 2 года назад +12

    I'm a Red Sox fan. My last memory of Jack Clark was him stealing money and playing like crap in his last season.

    • @MikeHL78
      @MikeHL78 2 года назад +1

      yesssssss. He was a waste of a contract by then.

    • @colebarrick7973
      @colebarrick7973 2 года назад +1

      I just had a beer with Jack this past weekend. At my bosses in Central mo

    • @akbarlebowitz8151
      @akbarlebowitz8151 2 года назад +1

      And declared bankruptcy later.

    • @jmad627
      @jmad627 2 года назад

      As a Yankee fan I almost remember him playing for us…lol!!

    • @Coldpack13
      @Coldpack13 2 года назад

      Say what you want about Clark, but you can’t deny he was one of the a top power hitters of his playing time. Plus he didn’t need any juice to accomplish his numbers.

  • @flyabusa
    @flyabusa 2 месяца назад

    Paul Orndorff vs. Ric Rude. they omitted the "K" in Rick.

  • @brianarbenz1329
    @brianarbenz1329 2 года назад +1

    So, did Yugoslavia ever get its football players back?

  • @Jombafomb
    @Jombafomb 2 года назад +3

    I love your content but don’t like how click baity you get sometimes to stir up drama. Clark was mad the NFL Cardinals were on the field but saying that he threatened to “kill them” when he just said he’d be hitting liners at them is a bit of an exaggeration to say that least.

    • @kibitznec700
      @kibitznec700 2 года назад

      Yeah, this guy always exagerates.

  • @russellgrosser-7677
    @russellgrosser-7677 4 месяца назад

    Not a baseball Cardinals fan; however, Whitey was a class act throughout his baseball career and throughout his entire life. (In his younger days, he resembled the late actor Brian Keith, IMHO.)
    Jack Clark's ego and intensity were his undoing. He was a terrific baseball talent with an astoundingly high baseball acumen and baseball IQ. But he had all the personality of sandpaper. And his innate selfishness was a turn-off wherever he played.
    IMHO, Clark should've kept his nose out of the football Cards' business and simply vented privately to Whitey. That would've been the best way for Clark to deal with his frustrations.

  • @joemamaluke
    @joemamaluke 2 года назад

    If Orange County is "LA" and "SoCal", then Tempe sure as he'll is Phoenix. Just as New Jersey is New York's sewage treatment facility.

  • @jimsmith6603
    @jimsmith6603 6 месяцев назад

    OP, the Cardinals had WAY MORE than one week to go on September 9th in 1987.

  • @AdamMaynes
    @AdamMaynes 2 года назад

    No need to say that Phoenix and Tempe are the sane place because as a Phoenician, we doing. Are they part of the “Phoenix metro area”? Yes. But Tempe is Tempe and not Phoenix.

  • @Charles-h1x
    @Charles-h1x 8 месяцев назад

    This is real cool. I remember taking a vacation trip with a friend in august of this year. Going to st. Louis and seeing the cards vs. Phillies and i think cards only won one in 3(4?) game series . First though went to KC and saw Royals Yankees,but i just really dont remember games,it was fun being there. Good video,good job on this,hey,i had no idea.

  • @joemckim1183
    @joemckim1183 2 года назад +2

    Didn't the football Cardinals have a practice facility? They couldn't just do their practices at the practice facility instead?

  • @utahsilvey5930
    @utahsilvey5930 3 месяца назад

    Twins sent home clark crying that season anyway so the extra practice didn't mean nothing

  • @bobma6342
    @bobma6342 2 года назад

    Scab players or not, many of them were bigger, faster, and stronger and would have kicked his ever-loving ass.

  • @DIMP11
    @DIMP11 2 года назад

    At least Clark chose Yugoslavia to criticize the scabs and not a country with a majority non-white population. And he didn't call it a "schitthole" country either. If that had been the 2010's or 20's and he had made either of these statements he would have been for sure "cancelled" and called a racist had he done that.

  • @agrofindastation
    @agrofindastation 2 года назад +6

    LOL, as soon as you said a Cardinals player was threatening to kill scab players, I said, must be Jack Clark. Hahaha

  • @msarzo
    @msarzo 2 года назад +6

    I remember seeing that Washington won the game despite (or because?) they didn't have a single NFL veteran cross the picket line while the Cardinals had some of their regular starters. There were roughly 27,000 fans at RFK Stadium and many of them were chanting, "Stay on strike! Stay on strike!" Of course, there was also the huge upset two weeks later on Monday Night Football when Washington upset a veteran-laden Cowboys team 13-7.

    • @stevenbauer4799
      @stevenbauer4799 2 года назад +2

      That was planned. Gibbs and skins knew there would be a strike and put together the best scab team possible. Won the s b too.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад +1

      That team, was, a total fraud, they didn't play the, 13-2, 49ers, would miss the Playoffs, completely, the next two years, and, only, reached, the, SB, because, of, "The, Drop."

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @steven bauer Only, because, everything broke right, the next two seasons proved what a total fraud they, were.

    • @stevenbauer4799
      @stevenbauer4799 2 года назад +1

      @@matthewdaley746 well if niners get to s b they whoop the broncos again. And what if nelson doesn't drop that pass? Then perenniel chokers the vikes and broncos play in the s b.

    • @stevenbauer4799
      @stevenbauer4799 2 года назад

      @@matthewdaley746 yep. A lot went right for '87 twins. That's for sure.

  • @mandocalrissian4968
    @mandocalrissian4968 2 года назад +1

    On a Different note, Look at that WWF flyer looks like a Saturday Nites Main Event card..

  • @njdxnjdx
    @njdxnjdx 2 года назад

    This was one of the worst videos this guy has done. Also way way way too much “context”. All of Jack Clark’s comments to the press did not need to be included in this. Wish I had not wasted my time with this video

  • @danzemacabre8899
    @danzemacabre8899 3 месяца назад

    Clarks comment wasnt that bad cmon , kinda funny if ya know how much of a red ass clark was

  • @kalbuskj31
    @kalbuskj31 2 года назад +1

    The 12 man royal rumble and Mr. Wonderful vs Ravishing Rick Rude looked like a good WWF house Show card.

  • @christophercastanon2277
    @christophercastanon2277 2 года назад +1

    PAUL ORNDORFF VS RICK RUDD!?! AWWWRIGHT!!!

  • @jeremycrandall2899
    @jeremycrandall2899 2 года назад

    I usually like your videos, but with this one, you lost me at 2:38 when you said “Willis” McGee. Whatchutalkinbout!!!??? C’mon man.🤦‍♂️

  • @michaelhuffman6429
    @michaelhuffman6429 4 месяца назад

    I loved Jack, but he wasn't one to pull punches😅

  • @danzemacabre8899
    @danzemacabre8899 3 месяца назад

    Went to the world series with half a team and it still took 7 games to beat em. They were the best team

  • @nickg8424
    @nickg8424 2 года назад

    best player on the team not hardly.
    ozzie smith willie mcgee tommy skip herr vince coleman terry pendleton

  • @wiedep
    @wiedep Год назад

    ?!?WILLIS!?! McGee - WRONG AGAIN, AS USUAL...

  • @mistermattmoose
    @mistermattmoose 2 года назад

    at 9;12, they sat yugoslavia but show a flag of japan......................

  • @williamrogers7974
    @williamrogers7974 2 года назад

    Willis McGee???? Stick to football homeboy, he was an awesome player Willie McGee. Never has he been called Willis

  • @geraldnichols1853
    @geraldnichols1853 7 месяцев назад

    Is this the year they choked against the Twins or Royals?

  • @TonysMusic1974
    @TonysMusic1974 2 года назад

    2:38 WILLIS McGee? Don't you mean WILLIE McGee?

  • @felixlueggerto
    @felixlueggerto 2 года назад +6

    A pose down between Rick Rude and Paul Orndorff. Now thats gonna put some butts in seats.

    • @pronkb000
      @pronkb000 2 года назад +2

      Orndorff had just turned babyface again because...Bobby Heenan said that Rick Rude had a better body than he did. After that legendary turn and run against Hulk Hogan throughout 1986, what a horrible, anticlimactic way to make Orndorff back into a good guy.

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад

      In today's world, absolutely.

  • @MountainDewComacho494
    @MountainDewComacho494 2 года назад +2

    I remember Jack Clark was kind of a hot head.

  • @RetroJR3379
    @RetroJR3379 2 года назад +1

    Have you considered doing Baseball video ⚾️ 🧢

  • @terraceavery4125
    @terraceavery4125 2 года назад +2

    Now I know why St. Louis can’t have a football team.

  • @armorybrunotjr.3204
    @armorybrunotjr.3204 2 года назад +8

    In 1987, the baseball St. Louis Cardinals went to the World Series, but lost to the Minnesota Twins in seven games. The football Cardinals had a disappointing season, and ended up moving to Arizona. From 1960-87,
    St. Louis had both the baseball and football Cardinals; people called the
    football Cardinals Big Red to differentiate it from the baseball team. Both
    Cardinals used the original Busch Stadium (1960-65) and Busch Memorial
    Stadium (1966-87).

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      Losing Keith Hernandez, indefensible.

    • @marcus813
      @marcus813 2 года назад

      It makes me even more disappointed that my Buccaneers blew a big lead to Big Red at Busch Memorial Stadium in '87. I wish I forgot that I watched that game.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@marcus813 Disappointing, though, completely, unsurprising.

  • @jimfarmer6794
    @jimfarmer6794 2 года назад +1

    It was the last season that the football Cardinals played in St. Louis

  • @karlcooper7016
    @karlcooper7016 2 года назад

    Jack Clark today would be a steroid user.

  • @TheLastOilersFan
    @TheLastOilersFan Год назад +2

    Dad in the 80s:"Son,I've got tickets for the Cardinals game."
    Son:"Alright!"
    Goes to the St.Louis Football Cardinals game.

  • @imrustyokay
    @imrustyokay 2 года назад +1

    hmm, I wonder if this is relevant to anything happening today...

  • @iancypes5911
    @iancypes5911 2 года назад

    Who were those 5 Yugovlavian players? Also Bill Belichick and Nick Saban are both Croatians and therefore Yugoslavs

  • @SRNelson
    @SRNelson 2 года назад +1

    A bit off topic, but I'm stuck by the similarity between Clarks stance and swing and Giancarlo Stanton's. Having seen Stanton swing in person and on TV at home, his swing seems so unorthodox, it's a surprise to find a comparable swing so many years earlier from Clark.

    • @davidlafleche1142
      @davidlafleche1142 2 года назад

      I loved Carl Yastrzemski's vicious uppercut swing, holding the bat way over his head, then swinging up. Unfortunately, Yastrzemski injured his left shoulder around 1970, and never had the same power after that.

  • @Ghostrider6A
    @Ghostrider6A 2 года назад +2

    Funny this video came out now, while MLB is in a work stoppage.

    • @marcus813
      @marcus813 2 года назад +1

      I have a hunch that this wasn't a coincidence.

  • @c71score
    @c71score 2 года назад +1

    2:16 The good ole days.

  • @gothard5
    @gothard5 2 года назад +1

    Whitey Herzog’s Cardinals teams in the 1980s were incredible. 3 World Series appearances in 1982 beating the Brewers (I think?), 1985 losing to the Royals, and in 1987 losing to the Twins. All of this coming from a diehard Reds fan.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      1982, was, the Brewers, Paul Molitor, and, Robin Yount, they, were, their best opponent, but, they lucked out, because, the, NLCS, was, best-of-five, against a fluky Braves team, and, they avoided, cross-country, travel in the World Series, with, home-field-advantage, and, Keith Hernandez, they got rid of him, played California teams, and, needed to go on the road, twice, Dynasty, thwarted.

    • @BrianRetro
      @BrianRetro 2 года назад

      The ironic thing was that all three of those series went seven games.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 2 года назад

      @@BrianRetro Yeah, and, the Pirates won, Game Seven, on the road in, 1979, in, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1991, 1997, 2001, 2002, and, 2011, the home team won, 2014, finally, ended the streak, indeed, a new one began, as, it, 2016, 2017, and, 2019, were, all won by the road team.

  • @bobma6342
    @bobma6342 2 года назад

    Jack Clark was always a malcontent.

  • @jetfan925
    @jetfan925 2 года назад +3

    What's that with the blur at 4:34?

    • @OfficialJaguarGator9
      @OfficialJaguarGator9  2 года назад +1

      Not sure. Someone else pointed that out and I don’t know why it happened because it wasn’t there when I exported. Was supposed to say “the race was really close”

    • @DolFan316
      @DolFan316 2 года назад

      @@OfficialJaguarGator9 I'll let it pass. This time. 😋

    • @CTubeMan
      @CTubeMan 2 года назад +1

      @@DolFan316 Such mercy.

  • @niewojt
    @niewojt 2 года назад

    This guy takes forever to get to the point.

  • @josecarranza7555
    @josecarranza7555 2 года назад

    This video could have been 10 minutes long.
    I feel there was unnecessary stuff.
    Just my opinion.

  • @spacehonky6315
    @spacehonky6315 3 месяца назад

    "Willis" McGee🙄? Smh

  • @chadwickwhite6107
    @chadwickwhite6107 2 года назад +1

    Well to be FAIR BOTH the BASEBALL St. Louis Cardinals and the FOOTBALL St. Louis Cardinals were BOTH WORSE than a 39.6. They should have just SPIKED the OWNERS of BOTH TEAMS head into the GROUND EVERY TIME the FOOTBALL Cardinals were on OFFENSE.

  • @andrewpadaetz5549
    @andrewpadaetz5549 2 года назад

    Willis McGee? I think that's Willie McGee...

  • @jamesbowman8138
    @jamesbowman8138 Год назад

    I remember him on the Yankees

  • @hpblack1953
    @hpblack1953 2 года назад +1

    Off topic, but the original Astro Turf was the worst thing ever to happen to sports. Just a carpet in many sections sewn together waiting to burst a seam and end a career. Not to mention the 'cushion' under the green stuff deteriorated over time and the players were essentially playing on asphalt. Yeah, that had to be fun.