This video is elite. As someone playing WoW for the first time trying out classic Hardcore, it's absolutely incredible. You lay things out in a way even a brand new player will understand, go into enough detail to feel comfortable making a decision at level 1, and still manage to keep the video concise. Thanks a bunch
Can’t believe you made this 2 years ago and it’s just now being recommended to me. I got the excel spreadsheet loaded up and mapping out my professions path now! Thanks for the great info :D
Really nice guide. Unfortunately, I'm left thinking I need herbs/skinning for the money, but tailoring/enchanting for a wand, but engineering for the target dummies, but tailoring/skinning for gear, but really I need herbs/alchemy for the buffs and quests.
Just joined the "Victory or Death" guild on Maladath. Looking very much forward to attempting this Hardcore play-style. Thank you for the profession tips, they'll be useful even 2 year later! (the Cooking & Fishing info is gold!)
Thank you for the food for thought! Doing a Hardcore warrior run and I was thinking herb+alch was the best hardcore professions. I appreciated the information on cooking and fishing too! I picked them up early on but this guide helps makes sense of the details! Appreciate the upload a lot! 🙌
I'm not gonna lie, it makes me happy to see that the 2nd video I ever made, and made poorly by my own standards, is still useful and relevant today, even if it's a bit outdated.
I had a nice "conversation" with someone a few days ago about professions for HC. He was convinced that (for plate users) blacksmithing was by far the best one. This person wouldn't listen to any arguments about engineering and alchemy, calling them "crutches for hardcore", only useful if you were a bad player. He was convinced that the stats on gear provided by BS were better than anything else. The conversation didn't last all that long.
I've just stayed Hard core and I'm not sure what profession's to go. I'm thinking about going 2 gathering profession's and sell what I gather and try make some money that way. Not sure yet 🤔
@@MaxT80 you can always drop one of your gathering professions at any time and level a profession with the materials you have been gathering. It's what I did on my priest until I went alchemy recently for swiftness pots, faps, and lips
Engineering also enables you to craft Seaforium Charges, allowing you to open locked chests as a non-rogue player like Blacksmith Skeleton Keys. However: -Small & Large Seaforium Charge recipes are world drops from (mostly) elites with a minuscule drop chance -Powerful Seaforium Charge is a vendor item purchased from Xizzer Fizzbolt in Winterspring and it is a limited stock item
I've played a bit as warrior on horde side with blacksmithing. For lvling, these are mainly the benefits: - Copper battle axe bs: skill 35 (relatively easy to get and a great boon from lvl 8/9 untill cauldron stirrer or axe of orgrimmar) - Runed copper pants bs skill: 45 (decent early pants) - Rough bronze leggings bs skill: 105 (potentially a small upgrade at the time you can get it) - Rough bronze shoulders bs skill 110 (May be your first shoulders, in which case it's great. Or atleast it will be an armor upgrade) - Silvered bronze boots bs skill 130 (Usually a decent upgrade when you get it) - Silvered bronze gauntlets bs skill 135 (usually a decent upgrade when you get it) Niche benefits: Skeleton keys - Can occasionally open the way to nice treasures Sharpening/weightstones - honestly negligible dmg increase, but hey, its there Shining silver breastplate bs skill 145 - it sounds good on paper, but firstly it has competition from dungeon chestpieces that are just as good. Secondly it is quite difficult to get the mats. Thirdly, if you do get mats AND havent gotten dungeon drops, you still get it so late that it is outclassed by the brutal armor.
Great guide man! I just started HC on a hunter, a bit late I know, and I dont know what profession to choose from now, I thought of maybe going skinning and lw, but now you put me in a conundrum 🤣 now Im thinking maybe better to go dual gathering herb and skin and then switch skin for alch, the benefits of alch are kinda hard to miss.
That they do. And for the end of the journey, in the 40's and 50's, if you can keep up with it, there's a lot of great items when quest rewards become scarce.
I was really stoked about LW , started grinding it hard then I realized i couldnt make alot of stuff because I have no way to get elixirs as part of the recipe needed.
MP5 works IN and OUT of combat, same for spirit-based mana regeneration. However, spirit-based mana regeneration is affected by the 5 second rule (-> only being active 5 seconds after the last spell has been casted). The moment the spell is actually fired is the moment the timer resets, so for instance an instant cast spell is used or a cast is finished (casting a spell does not affect the 5 second rule until it has been finished). Additionally, spells that don't cost mana or effects that reduce the mana cost of spells to zero (like Inner Focus or Clearcasting proc) do NOT affect the 5 second rule timer Spirit-based mana regeneration is granted in 2 second intervals after the 5 second rule timer reached zero again, so it takes in total 7 seconds from firing your last spell to receiving your first mana tick. MP5 is always active, regardless of your last cast and also granted in 2 second intervals (10 MP5 -> 4 mana per tick)
Its actually faster to get Skinning and leatherworking at first. U skin until u have about 80 light leathers, bring your LW to 40, learn Emboss chest piece and make 6 to 8 of them. Then drop both skinning and LW and disenchant those chest pieces. You will have your lesser wand by level 7 and dont have to worry about drop rates on linen cloths. After that, u can farm the cloths for your greater wand as u have 6 levels until u can use it and should easily get enough cloths for tailoring.
I just tried this and it worked very well. Was able to do it with 6 of the chest pieces, but had to enchant bracers (health) a couple of times to hit the level for the wand. Still, worked just fine and got my wand at level 8!
I was thinking of going Skinning and LW at the start, then after making a few armor patches and swap LW to Mining, then once I have enough ore to get 85 Eng or higher and maybe some goggles, swap Mining to Eng level it up, equip goggles and have a stack of target dummies spare. then keep skinning and selling the skins for extra gold. If I run out of ore I might be screwed though
Scotte did a great intro vid. Remember, you dont absolutely have to have a mic or camera to stream HC, but i would suggest streaming to youtube as a streaming newbie for HC, as twitch only saves your videos for 14 days. and thats only if you know to go into settings to turn it on. Ive seen a cpl ppl now talking about how they lost entire streams because they thought twitch auto saved vods. No point spending all that time working on a toon, only to realize you cant verify it cuz Vods dont exist anymore. YT will keep the vods permamently. There are plenty of other great guides out there, so learn some new things, and then maybe switch to Twitch. ruclips.net/video/dYs5dQ_SpuA/видео.html
When i first heard of HC classic i thought it was pretty absurd, ans pointless... after tryijg it, my opinion has changed. Forcing people to take their time while gaming, enjoy the adventure, ect, has caused players to be more of a community, helpful, enjoy the game for its design a lot more.
Does anybody know how to get Wulan (the horde cooking vendor for the book) in a safe way similar to the swim from Grom Gol Camp to DM? I know the way, but dont know how to reach there before 30. Thanks in advance. Knics: Great video!!
You just to run all the way and try not to aggro ,stay on the road! use aspect of the cheetah ifyour a hunter ,use blink and frost nova to protect yourself if your a Mage..idk about the other classes though.
professions are pain even with AH available :D especially blacksmithing which is insanely hard as a time invesment, farming mithril for few hours and getting only few stacks is really not worth my time. and having professions without AH is really just bad :D so my run is without focus on professions because im not a grind person haha
So the whole no trading rules were to instill added difficulty into the challenge. In time it also just made sense in the spirit of HC. We've been playing on normal servers with others who don't play HC, and it just felt wrong to know that all the stuff on the AH was put there by ppl who weren't risking their characters lives to obtain those items. So if we weren't allowing trading between players, then no AH made just as much sense as a ruling.
Best to ask in the discord, or check the #guilds channel near the top. It has all the guild names on all the different servers shown. Then you can just /who the guild name and whisper someone in that guild. Everyone should be able to invite to guild.
@@kwstasber9190 the website is way outta date on its info. the discord is the best place for current info. Hydraxion waterlords is the main EU server for classic era (vanilla) and if youre playing Wrath servers, then giantstalker is where most ppl are.
The main thing you're not mentioning is that people usually don't have 5 silver to spend to even train 75-150 skills. You have no means to "farm" good money because the AH and trading is forbidden on HC.
yea, i didnt have the best mic back when i did this video, I was also in a room with no sound dampening whatsoever (no furniture, nothing on walls) so i had to keep the mic closer or else it was just echo city. I did the best i could with it and bought a new mic shortly after.
@@Knics_ Sounded fine and the volume meter exists for a reason. Seems like a small nitpick that isn't too noticble if you turn your speakers down. Don't know a single person who lsitens to RUclips with the volume maxxed out either.
So is it like OSRS where you have to choose Hardcore? or is it just like a made up game mode that you abide by? I never maxed on Classic, Im bored on other games, and this seems like a cool challenge I could dive into and get immersed in.
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This video is elite. As someone playing WoW for the first time trying out classic Hardcore, it's absolutely incredible. You lay things out in a way even a brand new player will understand, go into enough detail to feel comfortable making a decision at level 1, and still manage to keep the video concise. Thanks a bunch
U are New to the game and Insta playing it hc? Chapeau!
Can’t believe you made this 2 years ago and it’s just now being recommended to me.
I got the excel spreadsheet loaded up and mapping out my professions path now! Thanks for the great info :D
Same.
Just started HC runs, man this makes Classic WAY more exiting
Good luck and remember to have fun.
so immersive
Bro the community is better, plus not dying makes you think lol. I've had like 3 knuckle biters so far and I just made lvl 10 last night lol
Idk I got bored pretty quick
@@dbix11 It's not for everyone, especially if you grinded out a lot of classic.
This sort of guide really gets me thinking about the options in a duo/trio situation.
Your cooking guide has been especially useful, thanks!
Really nice guide. Unfortunately, I'm left thinking I need herbs/skinning for the money, but tailoring/enchanting for a wand, but engineering for the target dummies, but tailoring/skinning for gear, but really I need herbs/alchemy for the buffs and quests.
Great vid Nick!!! Making me (Defcamp) want to go back and pick up some professions now lol!! Keep em up man!!
Just joined the "Victory or Death" guild on Maladath. Looking very much forward to attempting this Hardcore play-style. Thank you for the profession tips, they'll be useful even 2 year later! (the Cooking & Fishing info is gold!)
I did the same thing lol. Leveling fishing and cooking on my 12 druid right now :) Hope you're still alive friend.
TL:DW alch+herb for consistent smooth leveling, skinning+herb (or minning) for gold, skinning LW for druid, shammy, hunt or minning+engi for utility.
Thanks man. As a noob to wow classic hardcore, this is massive for me.
Thank you for the food for thought! Doing a Hardcore warrior run and I was thinking herb+alch was the best hardcore professions. I appreciated the information on cooking and fishing too! I picked them up early on but this guide helps makes sense of the details! Appreciate the upload a lot! 🙌
Thanks for the kind feedback.
Lots of great info & insights, tysm!
I'm not gonna lie, it makes me happy to see that the 2nd video I ever made, and made poorly by my own standards, is still useful and relevant today, even if it's a bit outdated.
@Knics_ i just started hardcore (warrior undead) and this video was exactly what i needed ... it randomly popped up, so happy!
I had a nice "conversation" with someone a few days ago about professions for HC. He was convinced that (for plate users) blacksmithing was by far the best one. This person wouldn't listen to any arguments about engineering and alchemy, calling them "crutches for hardcore", only useful if you were a bad player. He was convinced that the stats on gear provided by BS were better than anything else.
The conversation didn't last all that long.
My friend and I are starting duos... this video is ESSENTIAL
im glad you feel that way.
What a gold mine of a video
Excellent guide
Great Video!!! Not enough views imo. Great quality and very clear. Keep it up and don’t quit!!!
Great content Nick!
Awesome video! Gonna be useful for fresh as well
This was the exact guide I needed to see! Thank you so much!
wow man - great work !
Eilxir of fortitude is needed for a feralas chain, minor fortitude is needed for the one in stonetalon.
If you want to go double gathering professions, go herbalism and mining. All you need is a cast sequence macro to swap between the tracking.
I've just stayed Hard core and I'm not sure what profession's to go. I'm thinking about going 2 gathering profession's and sell what I gather and try make some money that way. Not sure yet 🤔
@@MaxT80 you can always drop one of your gathering professions at any time and level a profession with the materials you have been gathering. It's what I did on my priest until I went alchemy recently for swiftness pots, faps, and lips
Engineering also enables you to craft Seaforium Charges, allowing you to open locked chests as a non-rogue player like Blacksmith Skeleton Keys. However:
-Small & Large Seaforium Charge recipes are world drops from (mostly) elites with a minuscule drop chance
-Powerful Seaforium Charge is a vendor item purchased from Xizzer Fizzbolt in Winterspring and it is a limited stock item
Way to go Nick!
wow man I can see this took a ton of time to even just edit. hats off🎉
I've played a bit as warrior on horde side with blacksmithing.
For lvling, these are mainly the benefits:
- Copper battle axe bs: skill 35 (relatively easy to get and a great boon from lvl 8/9 untill cauldron stirrer or axe of orgrimmar)
- Runed copper pants bs skill: 45 (decent early pants)
- Rough bronze leggings bs skill: 105 (potentially a small upgrade at the time you can get it)
- Rough bronze shoulders bs skill 110 (May be your first shoulders, in which case it's great. Or atleast it will be an armor upgrade)
- Silvered bronze boots bs skill 130 (Usually a decent upgrade when you get it)
- Silvered bronze gauntlets bs skill 135 (usually a decent upgrade when you get it)
Niche benefits:
Skeleton keys - Can occasionally open the way to nice treasures
Sharpening/weightstones - honestly negligible dmg increase, but hey, its there
Shining silver breastplate bs skill 145 - it sounds good on paper, but firstly it has competition from dungeon chestpieces that are just as good. Secondly it is quite difficult to get the mats. Thirdly, if you do get mats AND havent gotten dungeon drops, you still get it so late that it is outclassed by the brutal armor.
good guide everything explained plain and simple
Great guide man! I just started HC on a hunter, a bit late I know, and I dont know what profession to choose from now, I thought of maybe going skinning and lw, but now you put me in a conundrum 🤣 now Im thinking maybe better to go dual gathering herb and skin and then switch skin for alch, the benefits of alch are kinda hard to miss.
I just started this week. I’m doing a mage and am at level 11.
Did you make it to 60?
Very useful info! Gonna do the fishing and cooking on my next try
For any mail class, I go Mining Bs. The early greens really give you a cushion for mistakes by being strong.
That they do. And for the end of the journey, in the 40's and 50's, if you can keep up with it, there's a lot of great items when quest rewards become scarce.
i love alchemy the most always
the wise blacksmith knows where to find their level appropriate iron nodes
I was really stoked about LW , started grinding it hard then I realized i couldnt make alot of stuff because I have no way to get elixirs as part of the recipe needed.
Need a hardcore server to get rid of this silliness
@@Merknilash yea pisses me off that as a rogue the only viable proff is alch which is boring as hell.
@@rogueceskajust Go What u warnt wtf
Great video really helped me decide what professions to pick up..
Tyty
This video is DOPE. Please continue : D
There's so much interesting/useful information here.
I've played WoW on and off for years and had no idea MP5 was IN combat not out. BRUH
MP5 works IN and OUT of combat, same for spirit-based mana regeneration.
However, spirit-based mana regeneration is affected by the 5 second rule (-> only being active 5 seconds after the last spell has been casted). The moment the spell is actually fired is the moment the timer resets, so for instance an instant cast spell is used or a cast is finished (casting a spell does not affect the 5 second rule until it has been finished). Additionally, spells that don't cost mana or effects that reduce the mana cost of spells to zero (like Inner Focus or Clearcasting proc) do NOT affect the 5 second rule timer
Spirit-based mana regeneration is granted in 2 second intervals after the 5 second rule timer reached zero again, so it takes in total 7 seconds from firing your last spell to receiving your first mana tick.
MP5 is always active, regardless of your last cast and also granted in 2 second intervals (10 MP5 -> 4 mana per tick)
Thank you for the information, it helped.
Its actually faster to get Skinning and leatherworking at first. U skin until u have about 80 light leathers, bring your LW to 40, learn Emboss chest piece and make 6 to 8 of them. Then drop both skinning and LW and disenchant those chest pieces. You will have your lesser wand by level 7 and dont have to worry about drop rates on linen cloths. After that, u can farm the cloths for your greater wand as u have 6 levels until u can use it and should easily get enough cloths for tailoring.
I just tried this and it worked very well. Was able to do it with 6 of the chest pieces, but had to enchant bracers (health) a couple of times to hit the level for the wand. Still, worked just fine and got my wand at level 8!
This was really helpful, thank you!
thats super helpfull, thank you!
Well done. Thank you.
Great info on anti venom. 10 /10 from me so far :X !!!!
I was thinking of going Skinning and LW at the start, then after making a few armor patches and swap LW to Mining, then once I have enough ore to get 85 Eng or higher and maybe some goggles, swap Mining to Eng level it up, equip goggles and have a stack of target dummies spare. then keep skinning and selling the skins for extra gold. If I run out of ore I might be screwed though
very helpful guide, gj man!
WOW i did not know fishing was that big... ima have to level it now, and cooking.
Awesome video =]
Thanks these videos are great
High quality video
WTF, I had no idea they made seasonal cooking ingredients, that is awesome
Ret Paladin here, I go BS and mining. Its def nice, if you know where to mine without much risk at all ;)
Is there a guide for the tech illiterates like me who don't know how to stream and never thought we would stream anything?
Scotte did a great intro vid. Remember, you dont absolutely have to have a mic or camera to stream HC, but i would suggest streaming to youtube as a streaming newbie for HC, as twitch only saves your videos for 14 days. and thats only if you know to go into settings to turn it on. Ive seen a cpl ppl now talking about how they lost entire streams because they thought twitch auto saved vods. No point spending all that time working on a toon, only to realize you cant verify it cuz Vods dont exist anymore. YT will keep the vods permamently. There are plenty of other great guides out there, so learn some new things, and then maybe switch to Twitch. ruclips.net/video/dYs5dQ_SpuA/видео.html
Problem of enchanting is to get silver and golden rod
I wish they would allow updated graphics.
When i first heard of HC classic i thought it was pretty absurd, ans pointless... after tryijg it, my opinion has changed. Forcing people to take their time while gaming, enjoy the adventure, ect, has caused players to be more of a community, helpful, enjoy the game for its design a lot more.
Should I drop Bs now that im lvl 150 and crafted the blue Chester peice?
Does anybody know how to get Wulan (the horde cooking vendor for the book) in a safe way similar to the swim from Grom Gol Camp to DM? I know the way, but dont know how to reach there before 30. Thanks in advance.
Knics: Great video!!
You just to run all the way and try not to aggro ,stay on the road! use aspect of the cheetah ifyour a hunter ,use blink and frost nova to protect yourself if your a Mage..idk about the other classes though.
Ty
thanks so much
I had no idea hardcore has been a thing for so long. I thought it was just about 8 months old.
the way i approached this was:
1st char: maxed out professions asap
2nd char: never fing touch it.
repeat 2nd char till 60.
professions are pain even with AH available :D especially blacksmithing which is insanely hard as a time invesment, farming mithril for few hours and getting only few stacks is really not worth my time. and having professions without AH is really just bad :D so my run is without focus on professions because im not a grind person haha
i didnt know hardcore was known for that long, i thought max 1 year
sick video
Dont understand why one of the rules is to not use the AH for hardcore...
So the whole no trading rules were to instill added difficulty into the challenge. In time it also just made sense in the spirit of HC. We've been playing on normal servers with others who don't play HC, and it just felt wrong to know that all the stuff on the AH was put there by ppl who weren't risking their characters lives to obtain those items. So if we weren't allowing trading between players, then no AH made just as much sense as a ruling.
Your awesome
Is it free to play or
WoW is a subscription based game.
@@Knics_ thought it was a private server :s
Fishing not not too bad
can anyone invite me to EU hardcore guild?
Best to ask in the discord, or check the #guilds channel near the top. It has all the guild names on all the different servers shown. Then you can just /who the guild name and whisper someone in that guild. Everyone should be able to invite to guild.
@@Knics_ then zero players for the EU server :/ just checked the guild that sais on the site of hardcore
@@kwstasber9190 the website is way outta date on its info. the discord is the best place for current info. Hydraxion waterlords is the main EU server for classic era (vanilla) and if youre playing Wrath servers, then giantstalker is where most ppl are.
Hardcore existed 2y ago?
Over 3 yrs now.
The main thing you're not mentioning is that people usually don't have 5 silver to spend to even train 75-150 skills. You have no means to "farm" good money because the AH and trading is forbidden on HC.
No, we all have this money because we vendor everything, you just..
i dont know what you do, but you're not doing the right thing clearly.
@@Abduckted What kind of stupid comment is that. Try vendoring level 5 grays. You don't have money to even buy skills.
i believe Tailoring also makes NETS that can root enemies in place. VERY IMPORTANT !!!?!?!
That's actually engineering
In TBC they do
that hairline tho... makin me feel not alone :D
assume you can only live once......
bump.
slow down, dude. You are stumbling over your words...
i want to take a sip of water for you lol sound pasty af bro
Yea I didn't have the best mic when I recorded this
mic too close. people dont wanna hear what you had for lunch.
yea, i didnt have the best mic back when i did this video, I was also in a room with no sound dampening whatsoever (no furniture, nothing on walls) so i had to keep the mic closer or else it was just echo city. I did the best i could with it and bought a new mic shortly after.
@@Knics_ Sounded fine and the volume meter exists for a reason. Seems like a small nitpick that isn't too noticble if you turn your speakers down. Don't know a single person who lsitens to RUclips with the volume maxxed out either.
This is pathetically sweaty imho. Why even put yourself through this.
It is sweaty and we like it. What is pathetic is watching this video and making a comment like that.
Its only sweaty if u make it sweaty, if u just play hc casually, doing professions like this, is way more rpg like than classic actually was
Your tonality sounds a bit dismal and monotone.
So is it like OSRS where you have to choose Hardcore? or is it just like a made up game mode that you abide by? I never maxed on Classic, Im bored on other games, and this seems like a cool challenge I could dive into and get immersed in.
In their website you can find the c server and guilds that the community play on.
They destroyed all this in retail..Retail is not fun anymore.. to easy