Yea fr, same with Honda. Honda has been putting out piles of shit for a few years too, but people will still pay insane prices for both because “tHeY aRe ReLiaBle” not anymore their not😂
@@MegaBenjamin yup I’ve had Hondas since 1985. My last one was 08 accord 2.4 liter 4 cylinder. Had 326k miles when I sold it. Still solid. My son got a 2019 1.5 turbo with that CVT. I hated it. CVT sucked and it had oil dilution problems. I bought a Toyota Venza with naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. I’ll die before I get another car
This new stuff will never see that age, think of how many times you would have to replace that stupid battery and how much that cost. No one wants a battery in there truck to replace over and over.
It’s not rlly just a Toyota thing tho, all old vehicles lasted that long, those 90s OBS Silverado’s would go for 300k easily if cared for, same with the 00-06 versions, and even some of the 5.7 rams due to it being a engine designed in the early 00s, it’s just new technology rlly sucks and they just cut corners, not to mention emissions
@onoyoudidnt100 Do the Tacomas no longer come with a V6? I don't like the new one, but I can't imagine not having options! :0 EDIT: Just looked it up. Toyota really neutered their lineup. What a shame. The only reason I'd even look at one is because of the 6 speed... but anything new would be my absolute LAST choice.
Good luck getting a tech to do that job for 13-18 hours. I’ve heard those jobs taking over 30 due to the extreme complexity of that design. Sounds like the techs are about to lose a ton of money doing a horrible job.
Yeah, ex-dealer tech here, youre probably getting boned until you get ugga-dugga flat rate and find a way to not put those 8 MFing bolts in and slam it in 7.21 hrs. Yay CSI score!!
My sister had a 2009 Toyota Camry 4 cylinder that started burning oil at 60,000 miles. She kept it a couple of years after that and had a calendar on the frig to remind her to check the dipstick every 7 days and add oil. She finally sold it to a repair shop and bought a 2011 Toyota Tacoma V-6 which she still has today. PS: My sister lives on a farm, the Tacoma has 43,000 miles on it and is doing just fine.
@lancewood1410 it cost $10 to make iPhone but they sell it for $1000. No way that engine will cost TOYota that much. I know engine and phone are not the same thing but $15000! No fu.ken way
This so called we quality control issue won't be the end of the trouble with these trucks. Engines with turbos don't last as long. Turbos don't last as long as engines, which means the turbo's will need replaced. Turbo replacement is so expensive that it's like totalling the car and it becomes not worth fixing. Who knows what else will go wrong with these engines
On a diesel you might get a 120,000 miles for a single turbo. Then it's time to swap for a trusted aftermarket turbo from a company making them in-house for 30 years and improving them.
@@healthyamerican They already have a supply chain issue across the board as it is. Happening with some of the truck owners currently and just something that im staying away from with the new generation models out now.
I respectfully disagree with the OP. When one converts over and buys a first time turbo engine (gas or diesel) one should take a course on how to operate it. Bit of a warm up when cold, easy going for first 2 or 3 miles, use gearbox and go down a gear or 2 when pulling high loads or hills (even though that engine will just plow up the hill in current gear), ALWAYS cool turbo down after stopping (ideally to 300F), good oil and regular changes. Truckers use these traits especially driving by turbo temperature. Turbo replacement - I would buy a gutless turbo vehicle anyday as it is most likely turbo damage and they cost a $1000 (or less) to replace if you do yourself. Only issues now are the hellish emissions systems especially on diesels.
I recently bought a 2024 Tundra. The dealer explicitly stated to me that the crankshaft bearing problem was fixed for 2024. He was underinformed or lying. The 2024s are blowing up, just like the 2023/2022s, and now there are reports of 2025 blowing up! I suspect that Toyota hasn't extended the 2022/2023 engine recall to the 2024s until they have sold the 2024s off their lots. Great Company! Obviously, the bearing problem is not completely explained by debris left in during forging in Alabama and Japan. It is a metallurgical problem with the bearing.
Toyota changed the Part # of the #1 bearing in April 2024. That bearing change might be "the fix." If so, there are lots of 2024 Tundras at risk. Instead of focusing on engineering, Toyota has focused on complicated, expensive trim items. Remember "new Coke", which was supposed to be better than old Coke? Below, please find a great analysis of the bearing problem by the Car Care Nut! ruclips.net/video/EyI4ujjxxuk/видео.htmlsi=kjGux5M
You are 100% right David. Before I retired a year ago, I sold and repaired turbos in one of the largest truck and auto parts and repair houses in the USA. I've seen customers, men and women come into the counter with a busted turbo in hand and lay them on the counter and say, "how much for one of these?" Example: An average auto turbo runs from $1350 to $2300 dollars exchange on your core (new or used we get the core). Then if you put it back on yourself, your good but if you hire it done that's another $1300/$1700 dollars. Like the guy David said, "turbos are junk." Car and Truck manufactures are putting it on you to increase their fuel mileage average because if they can't meet the Federal Standard Average, they have to pay a huge fine for not meeting that Standard fuel Mileage Average. So, you pay the big bucks for junk turbos that boost the fuel mileage for the manufacturer, and he reaps the benefits, and you get stuck in the future with big repair bills which you would not need if you had a gasoline non turbo engine. Wake up people, you were doing just fine before turbos started showing up on 4,6- and 8-cylinder gasoline engines. Why should we the public pay for their short comings?
@@gumpbubba4276 last year I bought a 2023 Mazda Cx5 non turbo and I know it’s the best decision I made.. Oh and I decided against adding everything but gap insurance and the finance department had the audacity to bring another senior salesman into the room and try to talk me into the turbo model and extend warranty crap 😂 no thanks .. I left with a non turbo CX5 and gap insurance and a lower monthly payment 👍🏻
But wait ... the 2024s haven't broken yet! Buy something else and run away from Toyota trucks as Tacomas are dying big time too! Transmissions & all sorts of other stuff.
Thisbis the reason why I bought the 2024 Nissan Titan over the 2024 Toyota Tundra since the Titan has a proper V8 with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque and man its a freakn beast and has no reliability issues either unlike the Tundra with the Twin turbo V6.
I wouldn't have admitted that. Nissan isn't known for quality. "I don't want to be stupid and buy the new twin turbo v6 from toyota... so I'll buy a Nissan, hi, I'm stupid".
Twin turbos are just double the trouble. Turbos are not cheap to replace parts or labor. You can't fudge on oil changes maybe 2000/3000 miles with turbos. Turbos don't like that; they are very sensitive to late oil changes. So, what do they do, they spin their bearings and that puts metal shavings in your engine oil supply and now you have spun rod or main bearings and a busted engine because of a turbo you did not need in the first place. Wake up people do not buy trucks and autos with turbos.
At this point they are just making disposable parts so you can keep coming back spending the money OVER AND OVER AGAIN. If nobody hasn’t seen that yet, you might want to open your eyes a little wider
I have two built in Saltillo. Mx Ram diesels. Both have great build quality. A union car assembly plant job is pretty revered down there. The difference is that they can be fired for not doing their job.
Ford Ecoboost engines outperform any V8 on the market in towing and have been proven time and time again to be reliable. There's so many tens of thousands of examples of 400k+ mile Ecoboost engines.
This is an engineering problem masquerading as a “quality control” problem. There will always be some failures on new engines. But If the oil passages are already too small to handle debris, you can bet you’re going to blow a motor at 150k miles when the engine is much dirtier. Long gone are the days of the 330k all original toyota. RIP.
Nice to hear a reasonable, non -hater video. I’m disappointed in such a lack of quality control, but maybe this will straighten Toyota up. If I wanted to buy Hyundai quality control, I’d have bought two of them for the price of this Taco.
Catastrophic engine failures in up to 300k 22-24 Tacoma & Tundra trucks. Feel bad for all those owners. Trucks wont be same as assembled at factory . Will be lots future issues from huge undertaking like that. Guaranteed. What junk.
And all that before the strut mounted bump stop fiasco. Blown up engines from factory, QC issues from the Mexico factory, GR Carrolas catching fire. I have a 95 Tacoma and 01 Celica, still solid. Yikes on price. Yikes on quality Toyota. Yikes.
They have an uphill battle to convince me to believe that assemblers in two factories on opposite ends of the planet just didn't do their jobs properly for any period of time.
As a retired piece-work dealership mechanic...you don't make a bunch of money doing heavy line warranty work...it's actually a losing venture compared to customer pay (especially service work).
Back in 1985 myself and two friends bought new Hilux 4wd trucks. Reliable and economical but all three drank oil. 2.5 qts every 3K miles. Toyota declared it "within specs." Huh? I had a '73 Landcruiser that used no oil between changes.
I have a 2010 LX570 with 220,000 miles on it. The transfer case just started leaking golden gear oil. It is on its 2nd waterpump, 2nd starter and 2nd headunit. LEXUS claims that the cylinder head gaskets are starting to leak. Maintenance on it has been far more expensive than on my BMW 528IT which does not leak at all and has 268,000 miles on it. And which I just drove on a 4,000 mile road trip with no problem.
Tundras blowing engines, GR corolla's burning up motors and setting on fire!! Toyota reliability has to be called into question....lets not forget Tacomas are blowing shocks due to lack of bumpstops lol
I'm still driving my 2015 MIJ V6 4Runner with 145k. It is a well built machine. I may buy an additional used one from 2017-2020 or Tacoma. Not a fan of the new engines and redesign.
2023 Tundra owner here. I have had no problems with my truck and i am also a lifelong Toyota junkie. The best warranty is the one that a manufacturer will stand behind and Toyota always has... unlike Ford that trys to skate out of it (my experience) and Chevy where they have no clue what to do and try to put you in a new one instead of engineering a solution. I am a retired auto technician and i will stay with my Toyota...always.
My old 2003 4.7l tundra is still on the road. Sold it to my brother in law. He ran it into a pole, trashed the seats, and effed up the passenger door, but it still runs like a sewing machine. Shame, though- it was showroom when I sold it to him in 2019. My shop gets them in from time to time- replace a few bushings, shocks, brakes, the occasional steering rack, and back out the door they go. Not uncommon to see those 4.7l's with over 500k miles on them nowadays. To be honest, I kinda wish I never sold it- sometimes it's nice to have a workhorse with shitty mileage in the garage.
Has anyone noticed that the staggering number of defects in the automotive industry leads to so much rework that any gains in fuel economy made to meet EPA requirements are effectively obliterated?
Oops! Sorry we didn’t use shop air to blow out the oil passages after machining. Putting turbos on gas engines is another problem that will bite them later on in life. The more moving parts, the more reliability goes away. I’d stick with the V8 or normally aspirated V6. Great video!
Yes, I own a 2022 TRD off-road Crewmax, and I have been customizing my truck ever since. I am in a rental as we speak with Toyota paying the bill until I get called in for the engine swap. Besides this issue, I love my truck, and hey with 29,000 miles on it, I'm getting a new motor I'm ok with that.😊
Sounds like they need to get together and have their own political battle with the government then and argue about the unreasonable demands. Surely that can be done.
At least its cut and dry. There should be no argument other than scheduling. Glad to see Toyota stepped up and chose the right fix. Good luck. 2011 Tundra Crewmax.
- Just as Toyota Service was recovering from thousands of frame swap jobs due to corrosion and short block replacements due to oil consumption damage, now here comes this massive recall.
I am a fan boy and they do break. I have never had one yet that failed with respect to engine or transmission. They break but it's rare...at least the older ones. The worst Toyota is my brother in laws 16 Taco.. many problems.
my 2012 Matrix going strong! 4 speed automatic they've been making since the 90s and the 1.8L 4cylinder legendary engine... now? too complicated, turbos, everything digital... garbage
And toyota says they are not covering your GT86 engine after it blows up if you drive 85mph+ look it up even tho its a track car. And the new cars send info packages to the manufacture so they are also tracking you.
22 tundra owner here. I have about 35k miles and no engine issues - only brake shudder to complain about. I tow a ~1500lb boat+trailer ~30 miles once a week on average. With 800-some engines known to be affected so far, out of 100k engines, and by the way only just over 100 of those 800-some were total failures according to the letter, with the rest driving into the shop, i aint skeered. But if they're going to give me a new engine I say 'yes please'. Toyota's reputation for quality is their most valuable asset and they're protecting it. Now, a more important question: How can we get Toyota to bring diesel hiluxes to the US... they would sell like $1 bills priced at $0.75.
That's odd only 100, on Torque News 1 guy has had all kinds of problems with his new Tundra, not 1 not 2 But 3 blown engines in less than 50 thousands miles 🤔
We'll never get the diesel Hilux, because the Big 3 would be forced to compete with it... and they just can't. That said, I don't have much hope for the Hilux's next redesign... get the good ones while you can!
Ex-pat kiwi here. Just drool every time I go for visit downunder and see those damn Hilux TD everywhere. They don't fit pot gut North Americans though. Try sitting in one. And Toyota had some back in 2016 for testing around the country. Ran into a guy driving one in Casa Grande, AZ one winter. He loved it. Toyota and others will bring back Diesels if everyone was prepared to walk out of the showroom due to unavailablity.
The calculation on labor that warranty pays for work is very wrong. Say the engine would take 16hrs at regular rates. Warranty pays only 1/2 or 8 hrs……
The only reason the hybrid isn’t included is because you can still drive with electric power off the road after the engine blows up. They are not proactively solving this problem. They’re in extreme damage control.
What happened with Toyota? Senior engineers retired ….and the quality went and the engineering has suffered to the point where true Toyota customers are having second thoughts.
Toyota has committed 4WD suicide in Australia by not offering a non hybrid engine option on their new 4WDs. I've been waiting for ages for their new lineup and now I'm getting a Ford Ranger. Go woke, go broke.
Toyota also has an issue with transmissions in the Highlander and I believe the sienna vehicles. At or about the 70,000 Km mark the tyrannys are making a whining noise, of course the problem is outside the warranty period and since the tyranny can't be fixed they are replaced with new at a cost about $10,000 for the customer. People buy Toyota because of their reliability but I guess not any more. My 2019 Highlander has 79.000 Km on it and I'm not sure what to do.
The technician is going to take it in the shorts. Warranty only pays about 60% of the CP labor rate. What that means is if the job pays 20 hours under CP then the tech gets paid for only 12. Used round numbers her for easy math. The above is why there is a technician shortage...
Exactly!!! Mine just blew, and I have to trust that a tech take apart my new truck and put it back together? It's basically a wreck/rebuild at that point... it will never be right again.
I think your estimated cost for new engine is far from actual cost that I believe is somewhere between 2,500 and 3,000 for what they replace. But for sure it is an extreme cost overall for Toyota and a decision that gets my respect. Total dedication for a company that stands behind their product.
The question is will the new engine prove to be reliable or will this go down as a total failure. My 2015 Tundra with 155 000 km in central Canada has only had the belt tensioner and belt changed by me as preventative. All other regular service done but no failure or breakdowns. I would like to know someone from Toyota engineering and find out what was the design flaw because debris from machining seems kind of lame unless the engine was creating debris from poor wear.
We’re at well over 300k clicks…pulling a work trailer every day, up and over mountains..Timing needed repair so spent time and pulled engine, replaced timing assembly, and heavy duty mechanic who was doing the work said he’s never seen an engine as clean as that one. She’s like new! That being said, we added a ‘23 Tundra to the gang, because we were getting ready for the ‘12 and ‘15 to get tired of all the hard work we push. No major problems, happy with it, and if it gets a new engine, 👍 Wife is not happy though…she was ready to retire her taco for a 4Runner but that’s gonna be awhile.
I have a 2023 Platinum Tundra, not worried, it's not an engineering problem just a manufacturing glitch. Toyota is standing behind it. If the engine blows it will be replaced. It is what it is. On to the next hurdle in life.
Installation quality only as good as the competency of the mechanic. Remember, the stages of the engine installation are not inspected by a quality assurance inspector. Prior to receiving delivery, inspect your vehicle throughly. I have found missing dipsticks, spilled oil, tools, unsecured air filter housings/hoses, loose/missing oil filler caps. Last but not least, have the service adviser show you the engine has OIL and all other fluids are topped off.
Have a 2022 Tundra Platinum. Zero issues and love that truck like crazy. Happy Toyota is just putting in a new engine. I hope I get a 4th Gen Tacoma loaner so I can drive it like it's stolen on some trails until my Tundra gets a new engine lol
I bought a 23 tundra built during time frame indicated in the recall, but have not received a recall letter. Dealer says my truck is not on the list? No not a hybrid. Just curious.
i have a 2016 Toyota Tacoma, 2nd generation. At 153,000 the engine has an oil leak near the bottom left of the engine. To fix the entire engine needs taken out at about $5,000. No warranty. I wonder if other people have this problem.
I wouldn't be afraid of buying a new GEN 3 Tundra. At least Toyota is standing behind their trucks by replacing the entire engine, rather than some of the other manufacturers who only give a slightly longer powertrain warranty, or worse, not even acknowledging there is a problem. Toyota ALWAYS stands behind their products!
I live in Huntsville, AL where these engines were produced. Now I'm curious to know who has information after the same plant built the V8 without issues like this for years.
My understanding is that they built the Lexus engines in Japan. I'm not close to believing that assemblers in 2 different factories on opposite sides of the globe just didn't do their jobs properly at the same time.
@@doom4067 There's a theory on another video I think that this was a problem from the engine block supplier. The same supplier may have exported the blocks to the US at first. When you read the recall pdf, it looks to me like Toyota needed the production volume of the Alabama plant to diagnose and fix this issue. The Tahara plant had been building this engine for years before Huntsville but not with the same volume.
Some experts don’t know how a vehicle warranty actually works. Let me tell you! When YOU purchase a new vehicle, YOU pay for the warranty already. It’s included in the price of the vehicle. It’s a portion of the price that covers what is expected to be”fail”. Some OEM’s place as much as 35% of the SRP as a warranty coffer. Yes they will lose some margin, but they won’t hurt too much….
Toyota quality isn't what it used to be but the price is greater than ever.
Yea fr, same with Honda. Honda has been putting out piles of shit for a few years too, but people will still pay insane prices for both because “tHeY aRe ReLiaBle” not anymore their not😂
Omg the Honda turbo 1.5 sux
@@stevesmith756 yea my dad had one and it’s a POSs and the CVT it’s paired with is even worse
@@MegaBenjamin yup I’ve had Hondas since 1985. My last one was 08 accord 2.4 liter 4 cylinder. Had 326k miles when I sold it. Still solid. My son got a 2019 1.5 turbo with that CVT. I hated it. CVT sucked and it had oil dilution problems. I bought a Toyota Venza with naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. I’ll die before I get another car
Yup the turbos are a major fail.
Purchased a first-generation Tacoma in 1996 still own and drive semi daily. 330,000 miles .
This new stuff will never see that age, think of how many times you would have to replace that stupid battery and how much that cost. No one wants a battery in there truck to replace over and over.
It’s not rlly just a Toyota thing tho, all old vehicles lasted that long, those 90s OBS Silverado’s would go for 300k easily if cared for, same with the 00-06 versions, and even some of the 5.7 rams due to it being a engine designed in the early 00s, it’s just new technology rlly sucks and they just cut corners, not to mention emissions
@@MegaBenjaminthere’s plenty of F150 cohost going over 250k miles same design as the new Toyota twin turbo V6
Toyota T100 bought new in 98. 352k miles on it and drive it almost daily. Original engine still runs like a Singer sewing machine. It just won't die.
Right on! I have a 2000 Tundra SR5 with 320k 😎
The new Tacoma is proving to be a turd also.
Same engine. Same problem.
@@jamesgizassonthe Tacomas have the 4 cylinder turbo. I think he's referring to the manual and automatic transmissions being questionable.
@onoyoudidnt100 Do the Tacomas no longer come with a V6? I don't like the new one, but I can't imagine not having options! :0
EDIT: Just looked it up. Toyota really neutered their lineup. What a shame. The only reason I'd even look at one is because of the 6 speed... but anything new would be my absolute LAST choice.
Agenda 2030 could be why
Yes. Hence why my 3rd gen is worth more used to buy at 6 years old than a new 2024 tacoma. Seriously.
Its not just these trucks. The GR Corrolas are blowing engines, some taking the whole car with them and Toyota is backstabbing the owners.
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you a bot.
@@armandoparedes1881 Nope
@@armandoparedes1881 Even if that is a bot, it's right about the GR Corolla. We didn't see it coming after watching the GR Yaris for years.
Just like what FORD did with the Focus gearboxes the fukers
And this is why my Dad always said, NEVER buy a first year model of anything.
I wonder if Toyota wishes they kept the V8
I am glad mine is the 5.7
@@mikefoehr235 I kept my V8 everyone blames the EPA that is just BS.
Of course they do
@DavidWX877 I have heard that the WEF wanted to do away with V8s...now I am not sure if this is actually true but wouldn't surprise me.
@@mikefoehr235 I love mine 200,000 miles
Good luck getting a tech to do that job for 13-18 hours. I’ve heard those jobs taking over 30 due to the extreme complexity of that design. Sounds like the techs are about to lose a ton of money doing a horrible job.
Yeah, ex-dealer tech here, youre probably getting boned until you get ugga-dugga flat rate and find a way to not put those 8 MFing bolts in and slam it in 7.21 hrs. Yay CSI score!!
I waited two years to buy a new Camry in 2020. The cars got worse.
Seriously. Guy who made the video has probably never turned wrenches and has no clue what he is talking about. Toyota techs are gonna hate this.
New Taco is also having problems.
And this came to light in 2022 and Toyota ignored customers
Oh what a feeling
Kind of like the V6 oil sludge fiasco of the early-mid 2000's...
My sister had a 2009 Toyota Camry 4 cylinder that started burning oil at 60,000 miles. She kept it a couple of years after that and had a calendar on the frig to remind her to check the dipstick every 7 days and add oil. She finally sold it to a repair shop and bought a 2011 Toyota Tacoma V-6 which she still has today. PS: My sister lives on a farm, the Tacoma has 43,000 miles on it and is doing just fine.
@@gumpbubba4276. And be sure she changes the oil ever 5000 miles ALWAYS in spite of what they call for.
There is no way a gas engines should cost $15,000
maybe you can make 100,000 units for $5000 each :), being americuns i'm sure you can. BTW how much is a chevy v8 base crate engine going for? LOL.
@lancewood1410 it cost $10 to make iPhone but they sell it for $1000. No way that engine will cost TOYota that much. I know engine and phone are not the same thing but $15000! No fu.ken way
@@marekkrepa9982 that HUGE void between your ears tells you it cost $10? LOL.
Are we talking R & D on each engine?
Dude, 30 grand for an engine is not surprising. Im surprised when people finance this trash at 8%
This so called we quality control issue won't be the end of the trouble with these trucks. Engines with turbos don't last as long. Turbos don't last as long as engines, which means the turbo's will need replaced. Turbo replacement is so expensive that it's like totalling the car and it becomes not worth fixing. Who knows what else will go wrong with these engines
On a diesel you might get a 120,000 miles for a single turbo. Then it's time to swap for a trusted aftermarket turbo from a company making them in-house for 30 years and improving them.
They've got transmission problems also.
@@healthyamerican They already have a supply chain issue across the board as it is. Happening with some of the truck owners currently and just something that im staying away from with the new generation models out now.
Turbo's are easy to replace. Thats not the point though. You shouldn't have to.
I respectfully disagree with the OP. When one converts over and buys a first time turbo engine (gas or diesel) one should take a course on how to operate it. Bit of a warm up when cold, easy going for first 2 or 3 miles, use gearbox and go down a gear or 2 when pulling high loads or hills (even though that engine will just plow up the hill in current gear), ALWAYS cool turbo down after stopping (ideally to 300F), good oil and regular changes. Truckers use these traits especially driving by turbo temperature. Turbo replacement - I would buy a gutless turbo vehicle anyday as it is most likely turbo damage and they cost a $1000 (or less) to replace if you do yourself. Only issues now are the hellish emissions systems especially on diesels.
I recently bought a 2024 Tundra. The dealer explicitly stated to me that the crankshaft bearing problem was fixed for 2024. He was underinformed or lying. The 2024s are blowing up, just like the 2023/2022s, and now there are reports of 2025 blowing up!
I suspect that Toyota hasn't extended the 2022/2023 engine recall to the 2024s until they have sold the 2024s off their lots. Great Company!
Obviously, the bearing problem is not completely explained by debris left in during forging in Alabama and Japan. It is a metallurgical problem with the bearing.
Toyota changed the Part # of the #1 bearing in April 2024. That bearing change might be "the fix." If so, there are lots of 2024 Tundras at risk.
Instead of focusing on engineering, Toyota has focused on complicated, expensive trim items. Remember "new Coke", which was supposed to be better than old Coke?
Below, please find a great analysis of the bearing problem by the Car Care Nut!
ruclips.net/video/EyI4ujjxxuk/видео.htmlsi=kjGux5M
turbos are junk and do not last.
You are 100% right David. Before I retired a year ago, I sold and repaired turbos in one of the largest truck and auto parts and repair houses in the USA. I've seen customers, men and women come into the counter with a busted turbo in hand and lay them on the counter and say, "how much for one of these?" Example: An average auto turbo runs from $1350 to $2300 dollars exchange on your core (new or used we get the core). Then if you put it back on yourself, your good but if you hire it done that's another $1300/$1700 dollars.
Like the guy David said, "turbos are junk." Car and Truck manufactures are putting it on you to increase their fuel mileage average because if they can't meet the Federal Standard Average, they have to pay a huge fine for not meeting that Standard fuel Mileage Average. So, you pay the big bucks for junk turbos that boost the fuel mileage for the manufacturer, and he reaps the benefits, and you get stuck in the future with big repair bills which you would not need if you had a gasoline non turbo engine.
Wake up people, you were doing just fine before turbos started showing up on 4,6- and 8-cylinder gasoline engines. Why should we the public pay for their short comings?
@@gumpbubba4276 last year I bought a 2023 Mazda Cx5 non turbo and I know it’s the best decision I made.. Oh and I decided against adding everything but gap insurance and the finance department had the audacity to bring another senior salesman into the room and try to talk me into the turbo model and extend warranty crap 😂 no thanks .. I left with a non turbo CX5 and gap insurance and a lower monthly payment 👍🏻
Me having 3 15l cummins turbos in a week in parts what u mean we call that job security
My 12 valve is fine... 30 yrs later! :3
Got 200,000 on my twins.
It's no debris problem it's a design problem
But wait ... the 2024s haven't broken yet!
Buy something else and run away from Toyota trucks as Tacomas are dying big time too!
Transmissions & all sorts of other stuff.
The techs who have to replace these are gonna get screwed.
Replaced with the same
Horrible engine .
That was no good to begin with.
Did you NOT watch the whole video ? The defective engines had machining debris in them. The replacement won't.
@@jp.9664 you work for toyota? and who wants a new truck, that had the engine replaced
Big mistake by toyota putting a turbo!! They should have put a V8. Would never,never,never buy a turbo engine now days.
It’s still a crap engine
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They can keep the overly complicated (and failing) v6… I’m not letting go of my 2018 Tundra.
It takes a long time to build a reputation and can be lost in a single heartbeat. Toyota isn't what it use to be.
Just replaced my 19 years old 2005 Titan with a 2023 Titan. Current Toyota issues made my choice easy. Naturally aspirated v8. Loving it.
Thisbis the reason why I bought the 2024 Nissan Titan over the 2024 Toyota Tundra since the Titan has a proper V8 with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque and man its a freakn beast and has no reliability issues either unlike the Tundra with the Twin turbo V6.
I wouldn't have admitted that. Nissan isn't known for quality. "I don't want to be stupid and buy the new twin turbo v6 from toyota... so I'll buy a Nissan, hi, I'm stupid".
@@SwingArmCity The Titan's got a sturdy drivetrain and super comfortable interiors but not my type of styling.
the Toyota iconic and legendary reliability and build quality reputation has gone right out the window. done. and it's not over just this one issue.😢
Plenty of different Toyota's have had problems over the years
My highlander hybrid has steering issues even after it got serviced and ain't even involved in an accident toyota definitely took a hit.
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Their quality reputation is now tarnished forever.
I don’t like the idea of twin turbos. The swarf in the engine is another matter, and I don’t like that either.
Twin turbos are just double the trouble. Turbos are not cheap to replace parts or labor. You can't fudge on oil changes maybe 2000/3000 miles with turbos. Turbos don't like that; they are very sensitive to late oil changes. So, what do they do, they spin their bearings and that puts metal shavings in your engine oil supply and now you have spun rod or main bearings and a busted engine because of a turbo you did not need in the first place.
Wake up people do not buy trucks and autos with turbos.
At this point they are just making disposable parts so you can keep coming back spending the money OVER AND OVER AGAIN. If nobody hasn’t seen that yet, you might want to open your eyes a little wider
I’ll keep my 2004 Tundra 5.7 V8
Should be 4.7? I still driving my 06 Tundra SR5 just passing 300k ❤
Are they going to blame it on mexico for poor quality? Toyota sick fans even stop buying tacomas built in mexico because of poor quality. 🤦♂️
I have two built in Saltillo. Mx Ram diesels. Both have great build quality. A union car assembly plant job is pretty revered down there. The difference is that they can be fired for not doing their job.
Why would you get a V6 Twin Turbocharger Tundra? I rather stick to stick to a V8 Tundra.
Ford Ecoboost engines outperform any V8 on the market in towing and have been proven time and time again to be reliable. There's so many tens of thousands of examples of 400k+ mile Ecoboost engines.
Because of government environmental legislation
V8 not available anymore
No choice if you need a new one.
@@andrewdalvet6871Mega BS
This is an engineering problem masquerading as a “quality control” problem.
There will always be some failures on new engines. But If the oil passages are already too small to handle debris, you can bet you’re going to blow a motor at 150k miles when the engine is much dirtier. Long gone are the days of the 330k all original toyota. RIP.
Blaming every blown engine on metal debris is a bit like blaming every fire on the ashes.
@@doom4067 yep 100%
Nice to hear a reasonable, non -hater video. I’m disappointed in such a lack of quality control, but maybe this will straighten Toyota up. If I wanted to buy Hyundai quality control, I’d have bought two of them for the price of this Taco.
Catastrophic engine failures in up to 300k 22-24 Tacoma & Tundra trucks. Feel bad for all those owners. Trucks wont be same as assembled at factory . Will be lots future issues from huge undertaking like that. Guaranteed. What junk.
And all that before the strut mounted bump stop fiasco.
Blown up engines from factory, QC issues from the Mexico factory, GR Carrolas catching fire.
I have a 95 Tacoma and 01 Celica, still solid.
Yikes on price.
Yikes on quality Toyota.
Yikes.
They have an uphill battle to convince me to believe that assemblers in two factories on opposite ends of the planet just didn't do their jobs properly for any period of time.
It’s not quality control in the traditional sense. It’s designing products cheaper and cheaper for profits.
As a retired piece-work dealership mechanic...you don't make a bunch of money doing heavy line warranty work...it's actually a losing venture compared to customer pay (especially service work).
I bet they sweeten that job and pay more flat rate to keep tech’s & dealerships happy
@@rodjones812 That would be a probably not...unless dealerships have changed drastically in the last 20 years...
That's to much money for a garbage can. 🤷🍻
Back in 1985 myself and two friends bought new Hilux 4wd trucks. Reliable and economical but all three drank oil. 2.5 qts every 3K miles. Toyota declared it "within specs." Huh? I had a '73 Landcruiser that used no oil between changes.
I have a 2010 LX570 with 220,000 miles on it. The transfer case just started leaking golden gear oil. It is on its 2nd waterpump, 2nd starter and 2nd headunit. LEXUS claims that the cylinder head gaskets are starting to leak. Maintenance on it has been far more expensive than on my BMW 528IT which does not leak at all and has 268,000 miles on it. And which I just drove on a 4,000 mile road trip with no problem.
Tundras blowing engines, GR corolla's burning up motors and setting on fire!! Toyota reliability has to be called into question....lets not forget Tacomas are blowing shocks due to lack of bumpstops lol
No bumpstops?
If you drive your gr over 85mph it voids the warranty
Jackass
Yeah... The Toyotas can not possibly break. They are the most reliable cars and trucks ever made according to the internet.
beats ure loser chevy anyday
Yep, its weird and funny how strong the "toyota pill" is. Blind faith..
Until they revamped the engines
Well, they USED to be. :/
I’m at 299600 miles. 2005 Camry.
I don’t want a truck with a turbo engine
I'm still driving my 2015 MIJ V6 4Runner with 145k. It is a well built machine. I may buy an additional used one from 2017-2020 or Tacoma. Not a fan of the new engines and redesign.
2023 Tundra owner here. I have had no problems with my truck and i am also a lifelong Toyota junkie. The best warranty is the one that a manufacturer will stand behind and Toyota always has... unlike Ford that trys to skate out of it (my experience) and Chevy where they have no clue what to do and try to put you in a new one instead of engineering a solution. I am a retired auto technician and i will stay with my Toyota...always.
2004 tundra. Double cab. 4.7L tundra. Still rolling. No problems.
My old 2003 4.7l tundra is still on the road. Sold it to my brother in law. He ran it into a pole, trashed the seats, and effed up the passenger door, but it still runs like a sewing machine. Shame, though- it was showroom when I sold it to him in 2019. My shop gets them in from time to time- replace a few bushings, shocks, brakes, the occasional steering rack, and back out the door they go. Not uncommon to see those 4.7l's with over 500k miles on them nowadays. To be honest, I kinda wish I never sold it- sometimes it's nice to have a workhorse with shitty mileage in the garage.
They should go back to a V8. I drove my 2000 Tundra for 22 years.
Make mine a v8. There’s no replacement for displacement.
Has anyone noticed that the staggering number of defects in the automotive industry leads to so much rework that any gains in fuel economy made to meet EPA requirements are effectively obliterated?
Oops! Sorry we didn’t use shop air to blow out the oil passages after machining. Putting turbos on gas engines is another problem that will bite them later on in life. The more moving parts, the more reliability goes away. I’d stick with the V8 or normally aspirated V6. Great video!
Yes, I own a 2022 TRD off-road Crewmax, and I have been customizing my truck ever since. I am in a rental as we speak with Toyota paying the bill until I get called in for the engine swap. Besides this issue, I love my truck, and hey with 29,000 miles on it, I'm getting a new motor I'm ok with that.😊
Automakers are trying to comply with increasing unrealistic emissions standards. It’s not all their fault. People need to understand that.
Sounds like they need to get together and have their own political battle with the government then and argue about the unreasonable demands. Surely that can be done.
Series hybrids will solve that problem, like it or not electrification will become the norm.
You aren't wrong but it's not my problem as a customer. They were happy to take my money knowing they're selling me a fundamentally flawed vehicle.
Meanwhile Ford makes similar power from a similar sized engine, yet they dont eat themselves. Hmmmm..
My 2022 just blew a turbo 2024 with 24,000 km It couldn't wait for a new engine.
At least its cut and dry. There should be no argument other than scheduling. Glad to see Toyota stepped up and chose the right fix. Good luck. 2011 Tundra Crewmax.
As Toyota service advisor, warranty administrator I’m going to be drinking a lot of Red Bull.
Its gonna take longer than 13 to 18 hours.
Don’t forget, last gen tundra had cam tower leaks the whole run of 5.7 engines and never fixed it.
Yeah no, same engine, same failure.
Funny how decades of reputation in producing reliable can be damaged by 2 generations of having the engine in the car to fail.
Mistakes happen and they are replacing the engine. That’s more than most other manufacturers.
TOYOTA has other problems to on other models too.
How can a company so big make a mistake so huge? They had one job.
Probably started hiring women!!!!
Someone got fired.😮
It was explained in the video quality control.
They farm out work to sub-contract suppliers. Toyota are like the others - just an assembling area and out the door.
I have the 2024 Tundra Hybrid. Zero problems. Remarkably powerful and comfortable.
Yet.
Just be prepared it will let go.
They went woke,smd everything broke.
The world would be better if everyone went WOKE, instead of being a brainwashed fool.
I heard the new transmissions are going out in 1k miles wtf
Toyota quality has definitely went way too down...
- Just as Toyota Service was recovering from thousands of frame swap jobs due to corrosion and short block replacements due to oil consumption damage, now here comes this massive recall.
2012 Taco TRD owner here. 145K miles…purrs like a kitty
Must be fake news because the internets say Toyotas never break.
I am a fan boy and they do break. I have never had one yet that failed with respect to engine or transmission. They break but it's rare...at least the older ones. The worst Toyota is my brother in laws 16 Taco.. many problems.
The internet lies all the time. And totoya breaks just the same.
My Toyota seize at 32,000 miles and it was a pain in the a$$ to get them to fix it.
In the past, ya Toyota trucks were built real good n real reliable, but things change one year
my 2012 Matrix going strong! 4 speed automatic they've been making since the 90s and the 1.8L 4cylinder legendary engine... now? too complicated, turbos, everything digital... garbage
And toyota says they are not covering your GT86 engine after it blows up if you drive 85mph+ look it up even tho its a track car. And the new cars send info packages to the manufacture so they are also tracking you.
The tundra front end is so hideous I will never buy one.
In my opinion, the Ram trucks look the best. Even the F150 looks decent.
I think the 1950 Dodge Pickup is much more beautiful.
The new tundras are the ugliest trucks ever made.
@gleanerman2195 I agree, they're uglier than sin. I liked the looks of the 2016 to 2021 Tundras.
We would still have the V8s if it wasnt for the EPA regulating them to extinction.
Ironically, EPA regulations are more strict for smaller cars, so they're also behind the automotive "arms race".
IF Toyota made a semi-popular EV they would still have the credits to sell V8s like Ford does.
The old toco is still very good. Buy a used one❤
I warned Toyota with an email not to employ a V6 engine and that as a Toyota truck buyer in the past, I would not be interested in their new Tundras.
I bought a 2023 SR 4x4 extended cab. The 2.7 liter 4 banger WITH NO TURBO.
Rates of Seppuku have risen recently at Toyota HQ.
22 tundra owner here. I have about 35k miles and no engine issues - only brake shudder to complain about. I tow a ~1500lb boat+trailer ~30 miles once a week on average. With 800-some engines known to be affected so far, out of 100k engines, and by the way only just over 100 of those 800-some were total failures according to the letter, with the rest driving into the shop, i aint skeered. But if they're going to give me a new engine I say 'yes please'. Toyota's reputation for quality is their most valuable asset and they're protecting it. Now, a more important question: How can we get Toyota to bring diesel hiluxes to the US... they would sell like $1 bills priced at $0.75.
That's odd only 100, on Torque News 1 guy has had all kinds of problems with his new Tundra, not 1 not 2 But 3 blown engines in less than 50 thousands miles 🤔
We'll never get the diesel Hilux, because the Big 3 would be forced to compete with it... and they just can't.
That said, I don't have much hope for the Hilux's next redesign... get the good ones while you can!
Ex-pat kiwi here. Just drool every time I go for visit downunder and see those damn Hilux TD everywhere. They don't fit pot gut North Americans though. Try sitting in one. And Toyota had some back in 2016 for testing around the country. Ran into a guy driving one in Casa Grande, AZ one winter. He loved it. Toyota and others will bring back Diesels if everyone was prepared to walk out of the showroom due to unavailablity.
Ive never owned a turbo car and never will.
Give me the proper size engine and you got a deal.
The calculation on labor that warranty pays for work is very wrong. Say the engine would take 16hrs at regular rates. Warranty pays only 1/2 or 8 hrs……
The only reason the hybrid isn’t included is because you can still drive with electric power off the road after the engine blows up. They are not proactively solving this problem. They’re in extreme damage control.
What happened with Toyota?
Senior engineers retired ….and the quality went and the engineering has suffered to the point where true Toyota customers are having second thoughts.
Toyota has committed 4WD suicide in Australia by not offering a non hybrid engine option on their new 4WDs. I've been waiting for ages for their new lineup and now I'm getting a Ford Ranger. Go woke, go broke.
No one ever buys a Toyota because it’s a nice vehicle. They buy it because it reliable. If you don’t get the reliable aspect then Hard pass.
100% agree I could care less how it looks, just as long as it gets me down the road safely!
keeping my naturally aspirated 4.0 liter 4runner until the wheels fall off. this whole EV and forced induction movement is GARBAGE.
Toyota also has an issue with transmissions in the Highlander and I believe the sienna vehicles.
At or about the 70,000 Km mark the tyrannys are making a whining noise, of course the problem is outside the warranty period
and since the tyranny can't be fixed they are replaced with new at a cost about $10,000 for the customer. People buy Toyota because of
their reliability but I guess not any more. My 2019 Highlander has 79.000 Km on it and I'm not sure what to do.
Sell it...buy a Hugo...better quality
The technician is going to take it in the shorts. Warranty only pays about 60% of the CP labor rate.
What that means is if the job pays 20 hours under CP then the tech gets paid for only 12. Used round numbers her for easy math.
The above is why there is a technician shortage...
Those trucks were built to failed and the workers were actually get paid to do just that. That's why I left the company.
If that's the case, why are they replacing the engines?
Who wants their brand new 70+k dollar truck rebuilt?
Exactly!!! Mine just blew, and I have to trust that a tech take apart my new truck and put it back together? It's basically a wreck/rebuild at that point... it will never be right again.
@@tresbarnard33 I hope you have good lemon law in your state, get that thing back to Toyota if you can and find a clean previous gen 5.7
That’s before we talk about electronics issues in the 2024 trundra.
I think your estimated cost for new engine is far from actual cost that I believe is somewhere between 2,500 and 3,000 for what they replace. But for sure it is an extreme cost overall for Toyota and a decision that gets my respect. Total dedication for a company that stands behind their product.
The question is will the new engine prove to be reliable or will this go down as a total failure. My 2015 Tundra with 155 000 km in central Canada has only had the belt tensioner and belt changed by me as preventative. All other regular service done but no failure or breakdowns. I would like to know someone from Toyota engineering and find out what was the design flaw because debris from machining seems kind of lame unless the engine was creating debris from poor wear.
We’re at well over 300k clicks…pulling a work trailer every day, up and over mountains..Timing needed repair so spent time and pulled engine, replaced timing assembly, and heavy duty mechanic who was doing the work said he’s never seen an engine as clean as that one. She’s like new!
That being said, we added a ‘23 Tundra to the gang, because we were getting ready for the ‘12 and ‘15 to get tired of all the hard work we push. No major problems, happy with it, and if it gets a new engine, 👍 Wife is not happy though…she was ready to retire her taco for a 4Runner but that’s gonna be awhile.
As a Toyota fan, I am ready for a new truck. I will pass on a '25 Tundra, and look elsewhere. I have zero confidence the problem is fixed.
1:11 Not a main bearing. What is shown is the upper rod bearing.
I have a 2023 Platinum Tundra, not worried, it's not an engineering problem just a manufacturing glitch. Toyota is standing behind it. If the engine blows it will be replaced. It is what it is. On to the next hurdle in life.
Toyota fanbois always defending toyota no matter what. 😂😂😂 you guys are a weird bunch
You are right! Educated man
@jibrilthegreat35 if I owned one of want to believe that assemblers in opposite sides of the planet just didn't do their jobs properly, too.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Installation quality only as good as the competency of the mechanic. Remember, the stages of the engine installation are not inspected by a quality assurance inspector. Prior to receiving delivery, inspect your vehicle throughly. I have found missing dipsticks, spilled oil, tools, unsecured air filter housings/hoses, loose/missing oil filler caps. Last but not least, have the service adviser show you the engine has OIL and all other fluids are topped off.
Have a 2022 Tundra Platinum. Zero issues and love that truck like crazy. Happy Toyota is just putting in a new engine. I hope I get a 4th Gen Tacoma loaner so I can drive it like it's stolen on some trails until my Tundra gets a new engine lol
I bought a 23 tundra built during time frame indicated in the recall, but have not received a recall letter. Dealer says my truck is not on the list? No not a hybrid. Just curious.
i have a 2016 Toyota Tacoma, 2nd generation. At 153,000 the engine has an oil leak near the bottom left of the engine. To fix the entire engine needs taken out at about $5,000. No warranty. I wonder if other people have this problem.
Red rtv 157 and contact cleaner and a scrub brush . Clean the crap out of it and fill the hole
I wouldn't be afraid of buying a new GEN 3 Tundra. At least Toyota is standing behind their trucks by replacing the entire engine, rather than some of the other manufacturers who only give a slightly longer powertrain warranty, or worse, not even acknowledging there is a problem. Toyota ALWAYS stands behind their products!
I’m thankful I purchased a 2021. So far I have 65,000 trouble free miles with 935,000 to go before I retire it….
I live in Huntsville, AL where these engines were produced. Now I'm curious to know who has information after the same plant built the V8 without issues like this for years.
My understanding is that they built the Lexus engines in Japan. I'm not close to believing that assemblers in 2 different factories on opposite sides of the globe just didn't do their jobs properly at the same time.
@@doom4067 There's a theory on another video I think that this was a problem from the engine block supplier. The same supplier may have exported the blocks to the US at first. When you read the recall pdf, it looks to me like Toyota needed the production volume of the Alabama plant to diagnose and fix this issue. The Tahara plant had been building this engine for years before Huntsville but not with the same volume.
Toyota will remember that building good reputation takes one generation. Losing the good reputation only takes one year.
Some experts don’t know how a vehicle warranty actually works. Let me tell you! When YOU purchase a new vehicle, YOU pay for the warranty already. It’s included in the price of the vehicle. It’s a portion of the price that covers what is expected to be”fail”. Some OEM’s place as much as 35% of the SRP as a warranty coffer. Yes they will lose some margin, but they won’t hurt too much….