I'm a 392 owner, but this new engine looks to have great potential in a Challenger or Charger platform. Gotta go with what is being offered, anything is better than an EV.
No it's called growing a spine and standing up and saying....no!....I don't have to take what is being offered when what we have works perfectly......if you don't buy they can't sell ....if they can't sell them they will either go under or go back to what worked...... and most buy them for the look at me look at me vanity and when that don't attract attention anymore you go out a buy the next newest thing.......
The 2JZ is certainly a legendary performance engine, I think Dodge's approach makes a lot of sense. It may not sound like a hemi but at least its not an EV either.
I was just thinking the same thing. BMWs M3-M4s make well over 500hp and that 2JZ is able to hold over 1000hp. I’ll take one as long as they don’t put it in a SUV.
@@johnkrucar2119you praise Dodge for going this route 😂. You realize they are simply giving you a less powerful motor and making it up with turbos because it’s more efficient for emissions and lastly they can make 1 motor to do it all. They sold out people don’t buy a dodge for anything other than what they are known for and that is racing. No body cares that it’s faster than the na v8. In drag racing the hemi still makes more power than everyone else that’s because of the v8 and the tech behind it. They went ev and then made an inline motor because bmw is sellable my like hot cakes and they are being fined for having big v8s still in 2023. And you praise them when simple tech that is given to 6 cylinders to avoid emission ie turbos instead get rid of it all together. Dodge are ram by Europeans now they love baby motors especially in a time where the ev is trying to take the world over. Guess what gay ford still makes the coyote and Chevy makes their v8s still. I guess the true Americans stay strong.
And you all are talking on this being bmw guys 🤣 thinking you know about the hellcat motor because if you did then you would all know the blocks can handle 1700hp. And over 1000 whp no build required. Bmw struggle to get to 1000 whp and so do 2jz’s shit the s55, b58, atlas 4200, and ford barra are all better than the 2jz and ev motors in terms of power delivery but none actually make unbelievable power without loads of work. Simple boltons on a cat will get you there. Maybe try turbos on the hellcat rendering the same advantage not like it needs it anyways because no inline car comes with that much power stock nor do you see to many competing past the 1200hp. It a business move that’s actually fucking you and nobody sees it 🤣. I guess dodge will just take all the bmw fan boys and children 🤣.
As a 392 owner there’s no replacement for the sound and feel but I do hope that they do continue to develop the I6 hurricane engine. (If there’s no other choice) If it can compete then it’s relevant. EV is definitely not an option for me personally because there are way too many unsolved problems for them to be a real option. I’m still really going to miss these Hemi engines.
I like to stay optimistic like you when it comes to these hurricane engines because ultimately it's a way better option than EV. If Dodge does decide to use them in a production muscle car/sports car type vehicle I hope they do it right. My only concern with any turbo engine is how the turbos will hold up, how it will sound, and if there will be a good amount of lag. Realistically though, I still think nothing can touch that Coyote engine when it comes to making crazy power gains. That engine is really like a cheat code.
@LWRC well said. Dodge engineers- "we can build this to run with a porsche". Dodge management- " we know, but we only need it to make it to the end of the warranty"
Racer X you convinced me to buy a 50th Anniversary Widebody Scatpack over a Hellcat. I appreciate All the info you provide. Especially new information about Dodge. Much Love, from Houston Texas!
I would like to see the engine block, the crankshaft and its journals. I need to be convinced that the engine is strong enough to withstand the power for 200000 miles.
I’m optimistic about the hurricane engine, hopefully they use them in the challenger platform in the near future and be affordable to blue collar class!
I hope they never put that foolishness in a charger or challenger platform just let them rest in peace and bring back the Dodge Stealth as a sports coupe and 4 door sports coupe and bring back the dodge colt as rebranded vehicle and the Dodge Monaco as luxury vehicle
I've been wondering when one of these automotive manufacturers would bring back the inline 6, everything always comes full circle. The old chrysler 4.0 straight 6s are legendary, along with fords old inline 6. Of course with Dodge/Ram they're still using the inline 6 Cummins Diesel engine, which I personally own an 07 with a 5.9. Straight 6 engines are so much easier to work on and so much more reliable with the straight up and down piston movement vs the rod angles of the V pattern engines.
Sorry but ford tried to get us on board with a V6 GT because it made more power than the 05-06 GT. The old one with the V8 is setting standing mile records year after year with more than 3000hp on the factory block while the 2017-2022 GT has a couple people maybe making 1000hp. I do think in every other way the new one is better but the engine is not
I'm a diehard Mopar fan as most of you guys are in here, but it seems to me that people forget that Mopar made another great engine that was a 6 cylinder. The slant six. Even those engines had some aftermarket support. Anyways, what I'm saying is don't dismiss it because of the number of cylinders it has. It's still very powerful and it can prove it's weight in gold.
When I had my 2015 sxt I was looking into a twin turbo setup. This appears like it would be awesome. Dodge version of the Grand national. If they bring out a new lighter chassis for the next iteration of the challenger and throw that engine in it. It would be a beast.
I think it’s impressive. I too am a speed and performance enthusiast, so yeah my favorite is a V8 but something with that much potential on basically stock internals able to handle that much power would make it really fun!
I love all the cool cars, I love the bells and whistles in the speed, but I’m real open minded anything new that comes out I just wish I could afford everything, but great video is always
There are a lot of great sounding 6 cylinder engines out there, the GTR sounds amazing it even sounds better than some V8 engines if Dodge can make it sound good I think people would at least give it a chance.
I understand the excitement of the possible horsepower out of these hurricane engines. The only thing and I am torn about it won’t have that beautiful sound of a hemi V8.
You’re crazy!! The b58 is an amazing platform for tuners 650’hp at the wheels with a simple tune and down pipe so imagine what the hurricane engine wil do the h.o one!! Has forged internals too!!!
I’m 70 years old now. I bought a brand new Ram 1500 4x4 Big Horn when I retired in 2010. First change I made on the 5.7 was install a Mopar CIA. A couple of years later I added a Carven ‘Competitor Series’ cat back exhaust. I can’t even tell you how great that HEMI sounds to me. I hope to keep it til I die.
It’ll be interesting to see how close the upcoming performance vehicle/vehicles with the inline 6 look compared to the giulia quadrifoglio since it’s based off that platform
Good Stuff RacerX!!! Love the Enthusiasm! I remember first hearing about Direct Connection back in the 70s and at that time since I had a 1973 340 Cuda, Ed Hamburger and his parts offerings came onto the scene. I never had the capabilities to modify my engines over the years, running Factory Stock literally, although a buddy talked me into placing an Edelbrock Manifold on my 340, it didn’t go any further. I don’t think that Mod made any difference. Perhaps I needed to replace the Thermoquad too! Well, I was about 20 years old then, but learned enough to carry 2 replacement spare parts: Voltage Regulator and Bypass Hose for the 340. I had trouble with both and think I replaced both about 3 times. That made me move onto the next car with the hope of it being more dependable. A 1975 New off the showroom floor Trans Am Firebird; 400 CID 4 Speed. The only “Stick Car” I ever had in 50 years.
People are going to find out, a FULLY brand new car wont be cheap. Tooling costs etc Thats why Dodge ran the L chassis an extra 20 years past Mercedes' timeline. Why put billions into a new platform when youre printing money by throwing on a bigger supercharger and a playing musical chairs with the hoods.
The only thing the in-line 6 is gonna lack is the sound but an inline 6 with a burble tune sounds nice as hell imo. So I’ll be fine if they make in-line 6s they are faster than the v8s anyways I mean look at the M4
haha yeah because youre going to live at 6000 rpm all day in that V8 to make that peak power number.. everyone is going to get a lesson is how a inline style engine drives... TORQUE. I seriously doubt they'll make it a high strung 7-9000rpm like the 2JZ or the RBs... if they do, it;s going to be a fun plant, torque of the inline turbos for mid-high end @@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109 Besides, my dad could get their old 12v Cummins to chirp the tires on the 2-3 shift, that made 160hp and 400tq.
@@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109depends on the v8 and i6 you’re comparing, how you’re looking at tuning, what handicaps you’re making for one versus the other, and if you’re willing to actually give the i6 a chance. “More cylinders + more displacement = more power” is a formula that works with NA engines. Once turbos enter the conversation, it becomes an exercise of desired outcomes and budget. If you MUST have V8 sounds, then no hp number from 2Js, RBs, Barras, B58s, or S58s will matter and I get that. BUT if the goal is to continue making ICE cars faster despite basic EVs existing that will trounce 90% of our cars at a drag strip; then an i6 is just as strong of an option as a v8.
@@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109This video literally disproves that, Dodge's 6.4 can't touch the high output version of the Hurricane engine, and this engine can be tuned to 1000hp and beyond. No NA hemi will touch these.
I also heard that Cummins is building an inline 6 for the heavy duty segment. It will be the 6.7 diesel engine but will be running on gas with twin turbos 13:06
It's Definitely a no brainer , If your a car or a truck person ,you can make any Internal combustion engine , produce and 1,000 hp at at depends on how much money you want to put in it !! But the point is that they could have Easily Instead of throwing all there money at these projects that will never see the light of day !! They could have develop , a brand new good clean running V8 engine , that would have met all of the requirements that is needed !! It's the V8 engine experience ,that people still want by hearing a 8Cyl engine running !! And still Offer this new Hurricane 6CYI engine as well ,but Definitely Not a replacement for there V8 engine !! And this where the problem comes in at ,with this company Dodge now is there V8 engine customers are left out in the cold now !! So Dodge is going to have to Figure something else out with there european control company Stellantis because this new Direction is not going to work out too well !!! This merger with Stellantis is Dodge major downfall that's the problem !!🤦♂️🤦♂️👎👎
Why is this not in in a wrangler? Boosted or not they need to make a real offroad jeep. This engine is the one, like a reincarnated 4.0 and beef up the entire drivetrain and put a manual back in there!
Not by anyone that seriously enjoys a high-performance Vehicle! You have to see past what the auto-manufacturers create as what people want vs what people really want! @@LEGO.SC.MOD1FIER
All these HP numbers are mind blowing. The biggest question is how long will they last. A NA engine will always last longer than a boosted engine. One of the reasons Toyota has extremely long lasting vehicles since they use mostly NA vehicles. I love performance but I still want to get some miles out of my $100k vehicles like that jeep.
I had 116k miles on my PT turbo when I traded it in on my challenger, and I ran 20lbs of boost on the stock 4cyl engine with factory upgrade pcm and injectors for nearly all of it.
I’m actually waiting for the hurricanes to come out before I buy anything from Dodge. Really cool to hear about the options though. Very excited! What an awesome upload man. Great ideas and I’m looking forward to see how much horsepower we can get out of those. Awesome Mr X👊
What a joke.. I don't sell out.. I don't need to .. I understand cars and technology.. Stop being so short sited and do a little research lol. Sellout WTF
I like how no one is mentioning life expectancy. It is a very complex engine which means it will be very expensive to repair. Look at the ford turbo 6 and all it’s problems. Also, duty cycle! A smaller turbo engine works harder to do the same job a large displacement na does. Fuel mileage will be worse in the real work as well. I’ll keep my V8.
My brother in law owns a skat pack 397. He never drives over the speed limit and he store’s it all of the time. What a waste. If I owned that thing I would run it big time.
@@HarpazoedHe’s probably just trying to make it last since he most likely had to take out a second mortgage in order to afford buying it the first place 🤷🏻♂️😂
X first, I want to say I appreciate everything you do for the car community I do. On the other hand, feel like this is an apples and oranges type of comparison. If they threw the better internals and two turbos on a 6'4, yes it's going to cost more but comparing naturally aspirated to something that comes with twin turbos even with the power comparison in my mind is apples and oranges again. I will be interested in seeing how things turn out, sales, etc. But meanwhile I'll keep my modified 6.4 I'll hang on to my modified 57 RAM I actually considered a newer 3.6 VVT all-wheel drive Challenger. Just for the simple fact, I like to platform it's a shame they're doing away with an icon
FrankieD SRT in Germany 🇩🇪. Brother, you are a true salesman when it comes to this. If the community could get past the historic SOUND thing, and concentrate on Power, non the less to say, The Environment, we could be on our way to placing ourselves on another evolution or plateau with this motor. You are MOPAR‘S savior brother. Keep selling it. You’ve got my attention!!!!😮
Well RacerX, I can agree on some of your points. There are things, both present(as you've stated), and past that support a successful I6 motor. Go back 27+ years in technology, and compare the Ford 300 I6 to the 302 in a truck, or full size bronco platform. I had a 1990 full size bronco, w/300 and 5 speed. A friend had an '89 full size w/302 and automatic. The only place the 300 didn't outperform the 302 was acceleration and speed. The 300 was better on gas and easier to tow with. That said, I think the hurricane motors will be a good fit for the suv's and trucks. And, I would rather have an I6 charger over a power wheels, but I'm going to wait and see what they have for us on the muscle car front. Right now I, lime others still feel a little bit abandoned.....especially seeing the new mustang offerings. Finally, I hope your mom is doing better, hopefully you got enough messages to lift her spirits!
i had a 1985 r150 300 4 speed and a 1993 f150 300 with fi, this one i put 444500 mi on it and was still running when i sold it. the 93 with the 5 speed would run all day at 85 mph.
The only way Dodge going to get people to buy hurricane 3.0L I6 510 horsepower, direct connection should option to increase horsepower from 510 to 720 to 980 horsepower in sport mode, this hurricane I6 , probably can't mess with two GM 4.3 Cyclone V6 , 4.2 Atlas I6 modifications for more than five pounds and handle up to 1200hp-1500hp, Dodge history with V6 engines 2.7 V6, 3.3 V6, 3.5 Penastar V6 , 3.6 V6 Penastar 1975-2005 Dodge was dead in Muscle Car segment until Dodge Charger 2006-2023 and Dodge Magnum 2004-2008 and Dodge Challenger 2007-2023 , Chrysler 300C 2004-2010, 2023 & 300S 2011-2023, Dodge Durango 1997-2024.
I kind of agree with you but it is a very different world. But I understand times are changing and we're looking for 6 Cyl. type propulsion or Electric. Also V8s are taxed across the board. Even if you have MDS the government doesn't care... Anyhow sure the Hurricane is similar to something like a 2JZ I get it. If you want the Hemi, you still have 2023 waiting for you and all those unsold stock.
“They started quietly investigating in Hydrogen Fuel ⛽️ There is a good chance they do this smaller displacement & maybe even a new 7L for nostalgia sake they’re just getting the whole portfolio updated to make room for other stuff imagine the hype in a few years”
The turbos look big on the HO version. If you compare them to the BMW S58's 750whp capable factory turbos, this engine should make around that, 750 wheel hp, if not more, which is bolt on Hellcat numbers out of a 500hp motor.
Very interesting to what these inline Hurricane engine lineup will be capable of what as far as horsepower, the low end torque is always there in the inline six, it's the top end horsepower were the difference, but that were the twin turbos came to play. It will be interesting.
My 1995 Cherokee XJ 5spd at 250K plus miles has yet to let me down in the 12 years I’ve owned her. The rust - will ultimately be the death of her. The Inline 6 motor is practically death proof. It’s cool to see them trying different things and I’m sure it will live up to the hype. ☕️
I'd take one for a test drive. If it's as fast and as efficiently aspirating as you're claiming it is? I just might get one. We'll see what happens. Thanks for including what Dodge is thinking about doing with their performance cars though. I hope it's worth looking into.
Imagine taking these powertrains and put the same type hybrid system behind it that the jeep 4Xe has. Something like that with a few tuner upgrades from direct connection and aftermarket would really make the next generation performance cars truly epic!
RacerX i have to say you're very optimistic. After the hugh mpg fines Stellantis recently paid. I don't think Stellantis is going to create another financial issue by building a thirsty engine no matter the number of cylinders. I saw that Direct Connect hurricane powered Challenger you mentioned making a pass in Detroit. To be honest. It was slow and was missing a meaningful exhaust note. As positive as you are. There's no way you can honestly say that car was something you would enjoy drag racing. Any of the auto manufacturers can produce high horsepower engines, but they have to fit into the Governments Fleet mpg regulations and pass carbon emissions. If it's simply about speed. A 600 horsepower EV can provide instant speed and performance. I appears Stellantis has currently decided to move away from many of their current Ice vehicles. Like you said in your video. It's could possibly happen. Ford is building a limited production street or track 800+ horsepower Mustang GTD Supercar. Basically the homologation for their race only 5.4 cu in Coyote based V8 IMSA GT3 race car only. They mainly use their EcoBoost engines in their SUVs and many of their pickups while offer a 315 horsepower EcoBoost and their new Gen 4 Coyote in their 2024 Mustangs while GM is likely turning the Camaro into a crossover EV while creating a new hybrid C8 E-Ray. When we start seeing Stellantis using Dodge test mules like Ford or GM uses for their new vehicles and engine testing. Then I'll believe the possibility is there. Tell me the last time you've seen s camouflaged Dodge car being filmed testing on our streets. It sounds like Stellantis is over a year away from deciding what direction they'll be taking the Dodge and Chrysler divisions, but what I'm seeing. EVs will be the main direction unless one of those division are dropped. I say that's depending on the current UAW strike and it's outcome. .
That Cat X engine is supposedly comparable to the Hellephant crate engine...at $30,000+. I'll take the "500hp V8" allllllll day and $10-15k into it and keep winning
It might be more expensive, but to get the v8 to 1000hp, you'll probably be spending north of 50K And it not just all about winning races, that makes it more cool
@jointhefist1016 $50k? You're in higher end race engine categories with that. It's not hard to get a current V8 of any manufacturer to 1k+ if you know what you're doing. The right pistons and rods (most stock cranks are very, very good for 1k), heads, and the right turbo/s. You put $50k solely in any V8 street car it better be running in the 7s. Most people won't have a transmission or a CAR that can handle it anyway. A 1k hp engine isn't difficult at all to do, and not nearly as expensive as you make it out to be, IF you're not just buying an engine outright. That's the kicker. Do you (not you personally) know how to build power, or buy power? Because they're different levels of magnitude when it comes to $ per hp, built or bought.
I’m curious to see the tunability of these overtime. Hopefully they can hold their own and their aftermarket is well supported. Inline 6’s are tried and true. I’d love to see how a high performance one would do in a smaller RWD platform.
BMW showed what a straight 6 can do. They are naturally balanced and put out power. It is at the limit of crank length I would think. That is why straight 8's had problems, especially with rpm. Strong block, high flow head, turbos, what's not to make power. I am sure that cruising the gas mileage goes way up also. The motor is always running on some pressure.
Horsepower per liter isnt what matters, it is horsepower per pound of weight on the car, and that is where dodge is losing. The new Supra is a monster with the B58 inline 6. With just a simple and cheap downpipe and a tune they are destroying everyone on the street in a low 3k pound car. Not to mention those blocks are good for 800 horsepower. Dodge really needs to get rid of that outplayed chassis and come up with something lighter to put that hurricane in. For the people who are about to get butthurt, go look up Baba Yaga Racing. Their Supras are beating cars with significantly more power. With that being said, I don't think the hurricane engine is a bad move or idea. It just needs to be implemented in the right way.
Direct Connection regarding the straight 6 Hurricane: "Comfortably make over 1000 horsepower" ANYONE who isn’t encouraged by that should look at the power AND longevity of the 2JZ. I understand the 2JZ is less expensive than the Hurricane but if it's "all that" the Hurricane should be celebrated!
I'm a 392 owner, but this new engine looks to have great potential in a Challenger or Charger platform. Gotta go with what is being offered, anything is better than an EV.
No doubt😂
No it's called growing a spine and standing up and saying....no!....I don't have to take what is being offered when what we have works perfectly......if you don't buy they can't sell ....if they can't sell them they will either go under or go back to what worked...... and most buy them for the look at me look at me vanity and when that don't attract attention anymore you go out a buy the next newest thing.......
The EV model looks sick imo I own a Hemi as well so it doesn’t matter to me that Dodge is switching it up
@@ronaldmoparornocar9590Sounds like you have no idea why all of this is happening.
@@A1V124 well then enlighten me.........if you have the answers..
I actually like the idea of 540 hp in a car or truck that doesn’t cost 100 grand
They're failing in the other applications. Blown head gaskets being #1.
The 2JZ is certainly a legendary performance engine, I think Dodge's approach makes a lot of sense. It may not sound like a hemi but at least its not an EV either.
Exactly ! 2jz is still an impressive engine ! So I praise dodge for going this route
I was just thinking the same thing. BMWs M3-M4s make well over 500hp and that 2JZ is able to hold over 1000hp. I’ll take one as long as they don’t put it in a SUV.
@@johnkrucar2119you praise Dodge for going this route 😂. You realize they are simply giving you a less powerful motor and making it up with turbos because it’s more efficient for emissions and lastly they can make 1 motor to do it all. They sold out people don’t buy a dodge for anything other than what they are known for and that is racing. No body cares that it’s faster than the na v8. In drag racing the hemi still makes more power than everyone else that’s because of the v8 and the tech behind it. They went ev and then made an inline motor because bmw is sellable my like hot cakes and they are being fined for having big v8s still in 2023. And you praise them when simple tech that is given to 6 cylinders to avoid emission ie turbos instead get rid of it all together. Dodge are ram by Europeans now they love baby motors especially in a time where the ev is trying to take the world over. Guess what gay ford still makes the coyote and Chevy makes their v8s still. I guess the true Americans stay strong.
And you all are talking on this being bmw guys 🤣 thinking you know about the hellcat motor because if you did then you would all know the blocks can handle 1700hp. And over 1000 whp no build required. Bmw struggle to get to 1000 whp and so do 2jz’s shit the s55, b58, atlas 4200, and ford barra are all better than the 2jz and ev motors in terms of power delivery but none actually make unbelievable power without loads of work. Simple boltons on a cat will get you there. Maybe try turbos on the hellcat rendering the same advantage not like it needs it anyways because no inline car comes with that much power stock nor do you see to many competing past the 1200hp. It a business move that’s actually fucking you and nobody sees it 🤣. I guess dodge will just take all the bmw fan boys and children 🤣.
@@joshreynolds729 same as putting a super charger on a v8 to get horsepower you wish to get!
As a 392 owner there’s no replacement for the sound and feel but I do hope that they do continue to develop the I6 hurricane engine. (If there’s no other choice) If it can compete then it’s relevant. EV is definitely not an option for me personally because there are way too many unsolved problems for them to be a real option. I’m still really going to miss these Hemi engines.
I like to stay optimistic like you when it comes to these hurricane engines because ultimately it's a way better option than EV. If Dodge does decide to use them in a production muscle car/sports car type vehicle I hope they do it right. My only concern with any turbo engine is how the turbos will hold up, how it will sound, and if there will be a good amount of lag. Realistically though, I still think nothing can touch that Coyote engine when it comes to making crazy power gains. That engine is really like a cheat code.
Yeah but getting parts for the coyote will be a lot Harder in the near future. Lot less of those built not as many spares floating around.
Porsche has been turbocharging their flat six for decades and have no problems!!! But then, Dodge is not Porsche !!!! 😂😂😂
@LWRC well said.
Dodge engineers- "we can build this to run with a porsche".
Dodge management- " we know, but we only need it to make it to the end of the warranty"
As of right now they are failing by way of head gaskets. I'd HATE to see this engine in a hauling configuration.
A no markup dealer. That’s a beautiful sight! ❤
Most Scat pack, hellcat, hellcat redeye and demon owners care about the hemi v8 experience and sound.
Until they keep getting their doors blown off by these? The used market will be full of Hemi's for sale.
Racer X you convinced me to buy a 50th Anniversary Widebody Scatpack over a Hellcat. I appreciate All the info you provide. Especially new information about Dodge. Much Love, from Houston Texas!
I would like to see the engine block, the crankshaft and its journals. I need to be convinced that the engine is strong enough to withstand the power for 200000 miles.
Got a ecobooosy f150 definetly going for the hurricane
Big things to come for dodge
Having owned turbo cars makes me happy. I6 motors have some great history here in the US and Japan.
Although I’m keeping my 392, I am curious to see how Dodge moves with their future lineup of vehicles and motors. It all sounds interesting so far.
I’m optimistic about the hurricane engine, hopefully they use them in the challenger platform in the near future and be affordable to blue collar class!
I hope they never put that foolishness in a charger or challenger platform just let them rest in peace and bring back the Dodge Stealth as a sports coupe and 4 door sports coupe and bring back the dodge colt as rebranded vehicle and the Dodge Monaco as luxury vehicle
Affordable coke on now that’s not happening
@@redhunnid5142 too late lol. Coming in 2025 with the Charger Daytona. Love it
I've been wondering when one of these automotive manufacturers would bring back the inline 6, everything always comes full circle. The old chrysler 4.0 straight 6s are legendary, along with fords old inline 6. Of course with Dodge/Ram they're still using the inline 6 Cummins Diesel engine, which I personally own an 07 with a 5.9. Straight 6 engines are so much easier to work on and so much more reliable with the straight up and down piston movement vs the rod angles of the V pattern engines.
If the 6 cylinder could put out that much power at an affordable price, I would be interested, but keeping my hemi lol
I grew up drooling over Supra and 300zx I'm rather comfortable with a straight 6
i wouldn’t mind that engine in the durango with awd it would be a good family car
5:39 Cruising around the streets in my 6 4. 😅. Yes Racer X said it.
RacerX Friend thank you for what you do 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😃😃💪💪💪👍👍👍👍
Everyone thinking dodge won't go the way of Pontiac makes me giggle
Sorry but ford tried to get us on board with a V6 GT because it made more power than the 05-06 GT. The old one with the V8 is setting standing mile records year after year with more than 3000hp on the factory block while the 2017-2022 GT has a couple people maybe making 1000hp. I do think in every other way the new one is better but the engine is not
I'm a diehard Mopar fan as most of you guys are in here, but it seems to me that people forget that Mopar made another great engine that was a 6 cylinder. The slant six. Even those engines had some aftermarket support. Anyways, what I'm saying is don't dismiss it because of the number of cylinders it has. It's still very powerful and it can prove it's weight in gold.
When I had my 2015 sxt I was looking into a twin turbo setup. This appears like it would be awesome. Dodge version of the Grand national. If they bring out a new lighter chassis for the next iteration of the challenger and throw that engine in it. It would be a beast.
Grand National was V6 this is Inline6
@@Snarf_Le_Wombat both are 6 cylinder boosted engines . Inline vs V6.
@@TwoTimesRmedia yeah but V6s are lame and inline 6s are perfectly balanced, respectable, and dignified
@@Snarf_Le_Wombat lol smh the V6 in the grand national was not lame and was beating the doors off of cars at the track .
@@TwoTimesRmediayes I love that engine but this engine is next level
I think it’s impressive. I too am a speed and performance enthusiast, so yeah my favorite is a V8 but something with that much potential on basically stock internals able to handle that much power would make it really fun!
Wagoner luxurious interior exterior needs a remake in my opinion. Wayyy to boxy especially back side
I think we hemi guys are mostly about sound but definitely can’t be mad at dodge for keeping the power
They are so much about sound they can't hear anything that isn't a hemi
I love all the cool cars, I love the bells and whistles in the speed, but I’m real open minded anything new that comes out I just wish I could afford everything, but great video is always
I'd like to replace the 4.0 in my 2006 LJ.
I'm keeping my scat pack challenger, that V6 doesn't interest me at all, I cant believe dodge is crazy enough to go down this road
It’s not a V/6, it is an inline 6. More power and torque and a lot less weight. Less weight over the front end means much better handling.
tis could be a good competition to BMWs s58 inline 6 engine.
A Dodge isn't a Dodge without a HEMI
The 1969 Charger SE came with a 2.8L inline-6. Most B-bodies back in the day didn't have a HEMI in them, let's not forget
There are a lot of great sounding 6 cylinder engines out there, the GTR sounds amazing it even sounds better than some V8 engines if Dodge can make it sound good I think people would at least give it a chance.
That thing is going last 50 seconds and blow into a million pieces!
Not! C'mon at least 60 seconds 😂
@@Sam-656 i think about 6000 miles
YEP!!!
Dodge should’ve kept that Direct Connection Challenger to themselves. It just looked so embarrassing. Just my 2 cents
Straight 6 making a comeback
I understand the excitement of the possible horsepower out of these hurricane engines. The only thing and I am torn about it won’t have that beautiful sound of a hemi V8.
Still going to be a GAS HOG!!!
nah... not interested. The B58 isn't my thing either so I guess Dodge just isn't the brand for me anymore. RIP 😞
You’re crazy!! The b58 is an amazing platform for tuners 650’hp at the wheels with a simple tune and down pipe so imagine what the hurricane engine wil do the h.o one!! Has forged internals too!!!
Same
@@cbruno12180 oh wow 650hp at the wheels... that's amazing. unheard of...so much power
@@S8ERI mean from just a down pipe and tune that is pretty unheard of that’s more whp than a stock hellcat
@@jasonweills8932 are you generally unfamiliar with turbo applications or do you just take me for a mouth breather?
Very interesting can’t wait to see what actually happens to these engines, great video 👍👍
I’m 70 years old now. I bought a brand new Ram 1500 4x4 Big Horn when I retired in 2010. First change I made on the 5.7 was install a Mopar CIA. A couple of years later I added a Carven ‘Competitor Series’ cat back exhaust. I can’t even tell you how great that HEMI sounds to me. I hope to keep it til I die.
Why does moe always look like he is about to say something but stops himself 😂
It’ll be interesting to see how close the upcoming performance vehicle/vehicles with the inline 6 look compared to the giulia quadrifoglio since it’s based off that platform
Good Stuff RacerX!!!
Love the Enthusiasm!
I remember first hearing about Direct Connection back in the 70s and at that time since I had a 1973 340 Cuda, Ed Hamburger and his parts offerings came onto the scene.
I never had the capabilities to modify my engines over the years, running Factory Stock literally, although a buddy talked me into placing an Edelbrock Manifold on my 340, it didn’t go any further.
I don’t think that Mod made any difference.
Perhaps I needed to replace the Thermoquad too!
Well, I was about 20 years old then, but learned enough to carry 2 replacement spare parts: Voltage Regulator and Bypass Hose for the 340.
I had trouble with both and think I replaced both about 3 times.
That made me move onto the next car with the hope of it being more dependable.
A 1975 New off the showroom floor Trans Am Firebird; 400 CID 4 Speed. The only “Stick Car” I ever had in 50 years.
If Dodge uses the new banshee body and stick a twin turbo Hurricane in it. I would buy it all day long, if it’s reasonably priced
People are going to find out, a FULLY brand new car wont be cheap. Tooling costs etc Thats why Dodge ran the L chassis an extra 20 years past Mercedes' timeline. Why put billions into a new platform when youre printing money by throwing on a bigger supercharger and a playing musical chairs with the hoods.
Spoiler alert, it won’t be reasonable
The only thing the in-line 6 is gonna lack is the sound but an inline 6 with a burble tune sounds nice as hell imo. So I’ll be fine if they make in-line 6s they are faster than the v8s anyways I mean look at the M4
Meh, the v8 will still make more power than an inline 6
haha yeah because youre going to live at 6000 rpm all day in that V8 to make that peak power number.. everyone is going to get a lesson is how a inline style engine drives... TORQUE. I seriously doubt they'll make it a high strung 7-9000rpm like the 2JZ or the RBs... if they do, it;s going to be a fun plant, torque of the inline turbos for mid-high end
@@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109
Besides, my dad could get their old 12v Cummins to chirp the tires on the 2-3 shift, that made 160hp and 400tq.
@@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109depends on the v8 and i6 you’re comparing, how you’re looking at tuning, what handicaps you’re making for one versus the other, and if you’re willing to actually give the i6 a chance. “More cylinders + more displacement = more power” is a formula that works with NA engines. Once turbos enter the conversation, it becomes an exercise of desired outcomes and budget. If you MUST have V8 sounds, then no hp number from 2Js, RBs, Barras, B58s, or S58s will matter and I get that. BUT if the goal is to continue making ICE cars faster despite basic EVs existing that will trounce 90% of our cars at a drag strip; then an i6 is just as strong of an option as a v8.
@@ThenotMrNiceGuy0109This video literally disproves that, Dodge's 6.4 can't touch the high output version of the Hurricane engine, and this engine can be tuned to 1000hp and beyond. No NA hemi will touch these.
18 year old me would have been excited because of the fast and furious. But I'm too grown to settle for anything less than my scat.
I also heard that Cummins is building an inline 6 for the heavy duty segment. It will be the 6.7 diesel engine but will be running on gas with twin turbos 13:06
And turtles can fly...
It's Definitely a no brainer , If your a car or a truck person ,you can make any Internal combustion engine , produce and 1,000 hp at at depends on how much money you want to put in it !! But the point is that they could have Easily Instead of throwing all there money at these projects that will never see the light of day !! They could have develop , a brand new good clean running V8 engine , that would have met all of the requirements that is needed !! It's the V8 engine experience ,that people still want by hearing a 8Cyl engine running !! And still Offer this new Hurricane 6CYI engine as well ,but Definitely Not a replacement for there V8 engine !! And this where the problem comes in at ,with this company Dodge now is there V8 engine customers are left out in the cold now !! So Dodge is going to have to Figure something else out with there european control company Stellantis because this new Direction is not going to work out too well !!! This merger with Stellantis is Dodge major downfall that's the problem !!🤦♂️🤦♂️👎👎
Why is this not in in a wrangler? Boosted or not they need to make a real offroad jeep. This engine is the one, like a reincarnated 4.0 and beef up the entire drivetrain and put a manual back in there!
Can it be put into a 3500-3700lbs-ish coupe or sedan? If so, I’m waiting. Great vid brother! 😎🤙
I hope thats what happens
Dream bigger! Imagine a Viper replacement at 2000 ish lbs!
@@lisam4503power train is half that all ready. Realistically around 3k -3,500 lbs for a modern vehicle to be considered “light”
Not by anyone that seriously enjoys a high-performance Vehicle! You have to see past what the auto-manufacturers create as what people want vs what people really want! @@LEGO.SC.MOD1FIER
@@LEGO.SC.MOD1FIER 440lbs. But yes, 3k is the lowest you'll get in a real car
All these HP numbers are mind blowing. The biggest question is how long will they last. A NA engine will always last longer than a boosted engine. One of the reasons Toyota has extremely long lasting vehicles since they use mostly NA vehicles. I love performance but I still want to get some miles out of my $100k vehicles like that jeep.
Toyotas turbo engines also last long, so do bmw b58s which are pretty reliable.
I had 116k miles on my PT turbo when I traded it in on my challenger, and I ran 20lbs of boost on the stock 4cyl engine with factory upgrade pcm and injectors for nearly all of it.
I’m actually waiting for the hurricanes to come out before I buy anything from Dodge. Really cool to hear about the options though. Very excited! What an awesome upload man. Great ideas and I’m looking forward to see how much horsepower we can get out of those. Awesome Mr X👊
🍀It's the future 😎✌️
Thanks buddy.. I'm eager to see as well
👎🏾
@@RacerX9sellout
What a joke.. I don't sell out.. I don't need to .. I understand cars and technology.. Stop being so short sited and do a little research lol. Sellout WTF
I like how no one is mentioning life expectancy. It is a very complex engine which means it will be very expensive to repair. Look at the ford turbo 6 and all it’s problems. Also, duty cycle! A smaller turbo engine works harder to do the same job a large displacement na does. Fuel mileage will be worse in the real work as well. I’ll keep my V8.
So glad I pulled trigger two years ago on a HellCat . Love it.
Is there such a thing as a Twin turbo with a Super Charger? I can’t believe the Hp they are now getting out of a 6 cylinder.
My brother in law owns a skat pack 397. He never drives over the speed limit and he store’s it all of the time. What a waste. If I owned that thing I would run it big time.
@@HarpazoedHe’s probably just trying to make it last since he most likely had to take out a second mortgage in order to afford buying it the first place 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@joeeastman thanks Joe.
X first, I want to say I appreciate everything you do for the car community I do. On the other hand, feel like this is an apples and oranges type of comparison. If they threw the better internals and two turbos on a 6'4, yes it's going to cost more but comparing naturally aspirated to something that comes with twin turbos even with the power comparison in my mind is apples and oranges again. I will be interested in seeing how things turn out, sales, etc. But meanwhile I'll keep my modified 6.4 I'll hang on to my modified 57 RAM I actually considered a newer 3.6 VVT all-wheel drive Challenger. Just for the simple fact, I like to platform it's a shame they're doing away with an icon
FrankieD SRT in Germany 🇩🇪. Brother, you are a true salesman when it comes to this. If the community could get past the historic SOUND thing, and concentrate on Power, non the less to say, The Environment, we could be on our way to placing ourselves on another evolution or plateau with this motor. You are MOPAR‘S savior brother. Keep selling it. You’ve got my attention!!!!😮
Oh, that hurricane in Florida
Well RacerX, I can agree on some of your points. There are things, both present(as you've stated), and past that support a successful I6 motor. Go back 27+ years in technology, and compare the Ford 300 I6 to the 302 in a truck, or full size bronco platform. I had a 1990 full size bronco, w/300 and 5 speed. A friend had an '89 full size w/302 and automatic. The only place the 300 didn't outperform the 302 was acceleration and speed. The 300 was better on gas and easier to tow with.
That said, I think the hurricane motors will be a good fit for the suv's and trucks. And, I would rather have an I6 charger over a power wheels, but I'm going to wait and see what they have for us on the muscle car front. Right now I, lime others still feel a little bit abandoned.....especially seeing the new mustang offerings.
Finally, I hope your mom is doing better, hopefully you got enough messages to lift her spirits!
i had a 1985 r150 300 4 speed and a 1993 f150 300 with fi, this one i put 444500 mi on it and was still running when i sold it. the 93 with the 5 speed would run all day at 85 mph.
The only way Dodge going to get people to buy hurricane 3.0L I6 510 horsepower, direct connection should option to increase horsepower from 510 to 720 to 980 horsepower in sport mode, this hurricane I6 , probably can't mess with two GM 4.3 Cyclone V6 , 4.2 Atlas I6 modifications for more than five pounds and handle up to 1200hp-1500hp, Dodge history with V6 engines 2.7 V6, 3.3 V6, 3.5 Penastar V6 , 3.6 V6 Penastar 1975-2005 Dodge was dead in Muscle Car segment until Dodge Charger 2006-2023 and Dodge Magnum 2004-2008 and Dodge Challenger 2007-2023 , Chrysler 300C 2004-2010, 2023 & 300S 2011-2023, Dodge Durango 1997-2024.
I kind of agree with you but it is a very different world. But I understand times are changing and we're looking for 6 Cyl. type propulsion or Electric. Also V8s are taxed across the board. Even if you have MDS the government doesn't care... Anyhow sure the Hurricane is similar to something like a 2JZ I get it. If you want the Hemi, you still have 2023 waiting for you and all those unsold stock.
Mercedes 2.0 4cyl 416hp 369lb trq. 208 hp per liter. Not bad!
sure, for about 5 minuets,,,
I was at roadkill, that straight 6 sounded just like a old 60s or 70s 6 with a 1 1/4" tail pipe.
It's called a muffler
If I want a 6cyl turbo I’m buying it from Japan or Germany… America builds muscle cars… at least the America I grew up in…
😢 RIP ‘MERICA
I hate that they put the engine in a big vehicle to start it off Mopar guys wanna see performance put it in something that can move‼️
I can see Stella coming out with a dual overhead cam v8 in the near future …
“They started quietly investigating in Hydrogen Fuel ⛽️ There is a good chance they do this smaller displacement & maybe even a new 7L for nostalgia sake they’re just getting the whole portfolio updated to make room for other stuff imagine the hype in a few years”
“Kuniskis said the last of the V8 powered “L” cars new platform new fuel new possibilities”
The turbos look big on the HO version. If you compare them to the BMW S58's 750whp capable factory turbos, this engine should make around that, 750 wheel hp, if not more, which is bolt on Hellcat numbers out of a 500hp motor.
Wow.. crazy is the Hurricane engine will be. I would love to see the Cat in action. Thank you RacerX for the informative video!
Racer x has become a corporate leach for stellantis
Very interesting to what these inline Hurricane engine lineup will be capable of what as
far as horsepower, the low end torque is always there in the inline six, it's the top end
horsepower were the difference, but that were the twin turbos came to play. It will be interesting.
INSANE absolutely INSANE this has a lot of potential
My 1995 Cherokee XJ 5spd at 250K plus miles has yet to let me down in the 12 years I’ve owned her. The rust - will ultimately be the death of her. The Inline 6 motor is practically death proof. It’s cool to see them trying different things and I’m sure it will live up to the hype. ☕️
Would like to see Australian built Barra inline 6 up against the Cat
Wait until Dodge fans find out the engine is made by BMW 😂
I'd take one for a test drive. If it's as fast and as efficiently aspirating as you're claiming it is? I just might get one. We'll see what happens. Thanks for including what Dodge is thinking about doing with their performance cars though. I hope it's worth looking into.
I’d like to see dodge do something different like a newer body style charger and a challenger with the new engine
That would be the EV have you been listening to dodge?
Great report ... nice job on presented the facts...always great to see you!
The price is going up again! Seriously interest rates are sky high and these guys are clueless what the avg person can afford.
I'm so glad that the american market finally got its own 2jz
Imagine taking these powertrains and put the same type hybrid system behind it that the jeep 4Xe has. Something like that with a few tuner upgrades from direct connection and aftermarket would really make the next generation performance cars truly epic!
I will be switching to FORD and get me a COYOTE 5.0
But you can’t beat the sound of the 6.4
Eargasam..
The sound of a 6.4 in the neighborhood at 2am - revving - is the absolute worst sound in the world.
On the actual streets, it’s a lovely sound…
Better than having speakers for an exhaust but don’t think it’s for me
AwesomeX《☆》👍🏾👉🍺The automotive World is definitely changing Whether we like it or Not🍗😁🤳Hopefully MOPAR will be a Contender✌😎☯️
I love the new direction it's best for power delivery
Keep the great content coming which dealership doesn't mark up the c8 Corvette looking to get one in November
Never will trade in my man card for 6 or EV 😂
RacerX i have to say you're very optimistic. After the hugh mpg fines Stellantis recently paid. I don't think Stellantis is going to create another financial issue by building a thirsty engine no matter the number of cylinders. I saw that Direct Connect hurricane powered Challenger you mentioned making a pass in Detroit. To be honest. It was slow and was missing a meaningful exhaust note. As positive as you are. There's no way you can honestly say that car was something you would enjoy drag racing. Any of the auto manufacturers can produce high horsepower engines, but they have to fit into the Governments Fleet mpg regulations and pass carbon emissions. If it's simply about speed. A 600 horsepower EV can provide instant speed and performance. I appears Stellantis has currently decided to move away from many of their current Ice vehicles. Like you said in your video. It's could possibly happen. Ford is building a limited production street or track 800+ horsepower Mustang GTD Supercar. Basically the homologation for their race only 5.4 cu in Coyote based V8 IMSA GT3 race car only. They mainly use their EcoBoost engines in their SUVs and many of their pickups while offer a 315 horsepower EcoBoost and their new Gen 4 Coyote in their 2024 Mustangs while GM is likely turning the Camaro into a crossover EV while creating a new hybrid C8 E-Ray. When we start seeing Stellantis using Dodge test mules like Ford or GM uses for their new vehicles and engine testing. Then I'll believe the possibility is there. Tell me the last time you've seen s camouflaged Dodge car being filmed testing on our streets. It sounds like Stellantis is over a year away from deciding what direction they'll be taking the Dodge and Chrysler divisions, but what I'm seeing. EVs will be the main direction unless one of those division are dropped. I say that's depending on the current UAW strike and it's outcome. .
I'd say a 1000hp i6 is a good bit cooler than a 500hp v8
That Cat X engine is supposedly comparable to the Hellephant crate engine...at $30,000+. I'll take the "500hp V8" allllllll day and $10-15k into it and keep winning
It might be more expensive, but to get the v8 to 1000hp, you'll probably be spending north of 50K
And it not just all about winning races, that makes it more cool
@jointhefist1016 $50k? You're in higher end race engine categories with that. It's not hard to get a current V8 of any manufacturer to 1k+ if you know what you're doing. The right pistons and rods (most stock cranks are very, very good for 1k), heads, and the right turbo/s. You put $50k solely in any V8 street car it better be running in the 7s. Most people won't have a transmission or a CAR that can handle it anyway. A 1k hp engine isn't difficult at all to do, and not nearly as expensive as you make it out to be, IF you're not just buying an engine outright. That's the kicker. Do you (not you personally) know how to build power, or buy power? Because they're different levels of magnitude when it comes to $ per hp, built or bought.
I’ll be interested to see how well set up the crate is for swaps. Dropping one into an old Mopar chassis could be fun.
Now if they can make it sound good. At least make it sound like the Ford GT.
I’m curious to see the tunability of these overtime. Hopefully they can hold their own and their aftermarket is well supported. Inline 6’s are tried and true. I’d love to see how a high performance one would do in a smaller RWD platform.
BMW showed what a straight 6 can do. They are naturally balanced and put out power. It is at the limit of crank length I would think. That is why straight 8's had problems, especially with rpm. Strong block, high flow head, turbos, what's not to make power.
I am sure that cruising the gas mileage goes way up also. The motor is always running on some pressure.
Horsepower per liter isnt what matters, it is horsepower per pound of weight on the car, and that is where dodge is losing. The new Supra is a monster with the B58 inline 6. With just a simple and cheap downpipe and a tune they are destroying everyone on the street in a low 3k pound car. Not to mention those blocks are good for 800 horsepower. Dodge really needs to get rid of that outplayed chassis and come up with something lighter to put that hurricane in. For the people who are about to get butthurt, go look up Baba Yaga Racing. Their Supras are beating cars with significantly more power. With that being said, I don't think the hurricane engine is a bad move or idea. It just needs to be implemented in the right way.
I think the new platform will be significantly lighter and AWD ..
Wow I'm impressed 👏 👌
Would this be easy to put into my 63 Plymouth Valiant convertible Slant- 6 car ?
How reliable are these twin turbo engines over time ? Compared to NA
If this becomes available in newer models in the future, I see a whole lotta challengers and chargers on the used market guaranteed .
What kind of performance would the HEMI of had if it had turbos?
Direct Connection regarding the straight 6 Hurricane: "Comfortably make over 1000 horsepower" ANYONE who isn’t encouraged by that should look at the power AND longevity of the 2JZ. I understand the 2JZ is less expensive than the Hurricane but if it's "all that" the Hurricane should be celebrated!