@hughitt6107 except that it's not running stressed. Crank, rods & pistons are forged from the factory. What exactly can you improve on beefing up the internals?
@Right-Handed_Neutrino more cylinders so there are more bearings, there is a reason these are just now available, government forced their hands, it's stressed
@@hughitt6107inline 6’s are naturally better balanced than V8’s; turbos are much more efficient than supercharging; they come stock with forged internals… definitely a losing combination 🥴
Problem is BMW has mastered the I6TT. These will have to be extremely tunable, reliable, and cheaper to compete. I’d have a tough time taking this over an M340. That’s apples to apples. Once you lose the V8, you start cross shopping with every other German brand. I got my challenger for the 6.4. The sound, the NA, all of it
BMW 6tt is a great engine however it's cost to maintain is outside reasonable by a Texas mile. That's why BMW values tank horribly when the warranty expires.
100% Agree! Right on point with BMW, also the rest of the European market. Which makes me wonder if that's why they went the Hurricane direction, is Shitlantis using the American market to production test an I6 TT engine for their European brands? Much cheaper to do it here than Europe, given the stricter emission standards, fuel standards, etc... over there.
@@tiansummers2110well he said the dealers those definitely will be gone... As a company it's been gone a long time... Those badges being on cars will be around longer than the dealers, but at some point probably will just be a badge and that's pretty much the point we're at. Now that the 90s designed hemi is gone!! That was the last thing Chrysler they had left. I guess if you want to argue the shape of the Wrangler but even that it's completely changed
Inline 6's are a very good platform. "High Strung" and over stressed Turbo or Super Charged versions are NOT long term Reliable. If ....ANY.... of these Engines make it past Warranty, I'll be totally shocked.
I’ve been a mustang guy for 30 years so I understand all the guys here screaming V8 till I die but I’ve also owned a 3 litre twin turbo BMW for five years. An inline 6 is so vibration free when you first drive them it feels like they aren’t running. They make peak torque from 1400rpm straight to redline and the depth of your wallet is the only limiting factor in power potential. They just make power everywhere, down low, midrange, up top, if you’re in the right gear you hit the gas and go! It’s true they don’t make the noise of a V8 but thankfully they also don’t make the noise of a V6. Like it or not seeing the taillights of something powered by a turbo I6 is just going to become more common
Having grown up with a parent that had an old school bmw i6 and Im gonna try for a 340i, but being almost 21 that price and insurance is gonna end me lol
@@averagerecon9777 don’t kill yourself with a car payment, just buy something older and cheaper. Get something with an N54 or and N55, the reliability issues are overblown as long as you don’t buy one that’s got a million miles and hasn’t been maintained. That way you can have some fun and mod your car instead of putting all your money into a payment. And don’t think those B58’s aren’t going to have leaky gaskets and problems when they’re hitting 120,000 miles, easy to talk about reliability with 40,000 miles and two years of warranty left. I’ve got an E92 N54, had it for 5 years, done the plugs and coils and I’m about to do my water pump so other than oil changes I’m looking at about $700 over 5 years in maintenance. Going to walnut blast it next year, do the oil filter housing gaskets and a valve cover and gasket at the same time preventatively maybe $1000 for all that and the year after that I’m going to do a turbo upgrade and while I’m down there I’m going to do the oil pan gasket. Anyway my point is if you’re young don’t overspend just to have something new and flashy that’s not what the car scene is about, you need to have enough left over to actually enjoy life. You don’t want a big car payment stopping you from getting a house or going on vacations or just hanging out with friends, nothing kills the joy of having a nice car like having to sell it.
@@Aaron-br1fc fair enough man! Thanks for the advice! I’ve been looking at the e92 era, not quite sure if I could even find a 335i for a good deal that’s not been ran into the junkyard, I was thinking something like a 328i something I can learn to work on and was hopefully own by a grandma lol wish the best with the build on your end, hope she comes out the way you like!
@@averagerecon9777 good luck with whatever you decide on, if you go the E9X route there’s tons of diy’s on RUclips for just about anything that might need to fix or want to mod
Man being a youtuber has its perks. My redeye was in the shop for almost 4 months and they didnt have a loaner car for me. I had to buy a cheap beater car or get reimbursed for a rental which i would have paid thousands of my own money after like a month of waiting.
Yep should reached home out to a RUclips guy so they could. Make content on the issue, make some money, look like the good guy, get some subs and help you with your issue.
Dodge doesn't even have the support that dealers need to fix ppls cars with the 2015 design. And they under pay their mechanics which leaves the customer with sub par work being done
I do not what Chrysler Dealership you take Chrysler Jeep Dodge or Ram. The Dealership I go to has EXCELLENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT FIXED RIGHT FIRST TIME. Been going there for decades for service. I take my chrysler vehicles there for Oil changes.
My friend is a general manager of a CDJR dealer he has three hurricanes waiting for motors that have blown. Good luck putting 700 horsepower in these things. You all will be footing the bill for a new 15,000 motor. Pass
Wow, I didn't think there were even very many of them on the road yet. I was intrigued by these but they burned me with the 3.0 Ecodiesel in 2014 so I knew better than to trust them with another new release.
@@FaithfulServant316 Apparently they didn't learn their lesson with the Ecodiesel. The I6 is basically the I4 from Jeep and Alfa with 2 more cylinders. Using an engine meant for a crossover or smaller sedan to put out huge torque is one of the main reasons why so many of those diesel engines would blow out the bottom ends in the 1500.
I think people forget what a truck is for, work. When the turbo spool up for heavy loads or towing,mileage drops like a stone( friends with ecoboost confirm). My experience with my 87 GN is that as well...cruising 25mpg,playing 12-14mpg. I don't give a crap about the latest gizmo, give me a natural v8 that will last and can be worked on. You can put 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag but the seams are gonna give
@@hpickettz34 Semi engines are also 12.7 to 18 liters, diesel and put out around the same HP as this 3.0 liter gas engine. Which one is stressed more? I've been around diesel engines for over 40 years,both trucks and marine, you cannot compare big slow turning diesels to the 3.0. Not saying it won't be a decent little engine, just not a 3406 Cat.
Yup,my 5.7 isn't the fastest, but god damn it sound like a dream. I can still punch it to 150 mph on a straight road with no cars, with sound! And it's cheap.
Ahh yes the stellantis salesman is back at it! You are impressed by everything they do and you see why they do everything they do… almost like you’re compensated for it!
Wow, my 2009 Viper has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. But to hear that both Wagoneers have issues....damn, what a disappointment in quality control.
According to some people here your Viper can’t be muscle if it’s not a v8. Throw that terrible sounding v10 away. No one wants a car that looks good and has big power that isn’t a straight piped V8. /sarcasm switch off
@@hpickettz34 So with that mentality it would be ok for modern passenger jets to constantly fail while in the sky? They have a thousand times more tech than a modern Wagoneer, yet they rarely fall out of the sky. Technology, if built correctly and with quality is extremely reliable. The Gen 4 Viper had probably the most advanced PCM ever designed in the early 2000's...in fact, nobody has been able to crack the code so it can be modified (bummer). As hard as it is to believe, my 2009 Viper is classified as a low emissions vehicle according to the government mandated EPA emissions sticker.....600 naturally aspirated horsepower and low emissions....Yeah, that was real simple to do. Lets face it, Stellantis is crapping the bed in many ways. Another 18 months of this and they'll be sold again. Hopefully the new regime will pick a name that doesn't sound like an erectile dysfunction drug.
I like racerx. He seems to be a great guy. But I have to be cautious about his messages. I feel he's to close to dodge and on their payroll so he can't say maybe what he honestly feels.
I'm a first time viewer of Racer X. Him worshipping Stellantis- ESPECIALLY with Stellantis screwing customers tells me he's too emotionally and probably financially invested in Stellantis to be objectionable.The Car Care Nut had a pre production 6 cyl Tundra months ago and was praising it with the tenacity of a cult member. The Toyota engine like the Stellantis engine is a giant Turd.
Lord forbid I do something other than bash Dodge .. Thats what so many of these guys are doing.. they are so close minded! It just gets old! I encourage you to simply try something new! You might actually like it! Just about every drag racer or performance enthusiast that has actually driven then this thing says its amazing. Some people change is scary and they just cant bring themselves to do it. Dodge doesn't pay me a dime. But I respect all engines because I know what they are capable of.
I'm from Australia and the top engine swap here that isn't a V8 is Ford's BARRA turbo 4.0 inline 6 cylinder making as much as over 1200-wheel HP. They're cheaper than a 2JZ build over here.
1200whp isn’t muscle if it’s not a straight piped 400whp v8 - so muscle = a slow car that can’t corner and looks bulky and cheap and sounds louder than an explosion is the only way to live according to some of these dodge boys and girls. 🤦
@@XboxAlive Yes but you have to admit 1200 hp from a 4 cylinder is pretty impressive. It may not be a muscle car, but it'd be fun to toss one into a sedan and go have some fun. I love my V8s too but I need toys for all of my multiple personalities!
The bigger better brother of the ford barra is the 1FZ-FE and TB48 engines they are huge inline six 4.5-4.8 displacement and absolutely indestructible these 2 engines are capable with a turbo of 1500-2000 horse power on stock crank and block they destroy any V8 in a race or off road
hes gonna say the turbos will fail. which is true. its a point of major failure. but not that crazy to replace. comparable to a transmission replacement in price.
The hurricane engine will wear out 3-4 times faster than a naturally aspirated V8 Hemi and if it gets to 100,000 miles without issues, and that’s a big IF, even with forged internals …. you’re going to have loads of issues. Let’s talk when a good portion of hurricane engines hit 100k+ miles.
And what is your theory based on? I hope it's not based on tuners putting a turbo on a non turbo vehicle. Or even a forged motor. This motor was built for a turbo. It's a totally different animal
I love straight 6 engines. They are very smooth and the torque was right in the sweet spot. I've had 2 BMWs, one with the 3.3 and one with the 2.5 liter naturally aspirated inline six and they had plenty of power for those cars and they were great highway cruisers. I was getting 26 MPG at 75-80 MPH on trips. They don't sound as good as a V-8, but they have a nice PURR to them.
I agree, bmw m20, m54, s54, n52 all sound amazing to me. i love i6 engine sounds. i4s and v6s are too raspy, i5s and v10s are too high pitched. inline six and v8 and v12 are perfect.
Look. Here is the reality. The I6 is a 6. Nothing will ever change that. No one that loves the roar of a V8 will ever get the same joy from an 6 cylinder. Just the reality. The V6 eco boost is a solid motor for ford. Been proven even racing. Makes great power, super tunable. But it is not a predator. The hurricane, on paper is solid. Just isn't an emotional power plant.
False, I was with chevy from 2010 to 2021 with 2 vettes and zl1, now I'm team bmw and hopefully I'll be team porsche in another 10yrs, I like variety staying with the same platform is boring, a real car enthusiasts likes a variety of cars, life is too short driving the samething your entire life.
@@hpickettz34 lol. Sorry to offend your "real enthusiast" sensibilities. But this video was not about BMW or Porsche. Porsche has a fantastic flat 6. BMW a great I6. Lotus even made a very fun little 4 banger. Forgive me for not being overly enamored with a V6 Camero, or a 4 banger Mustang, or in this case, the actual topic of this video, an I6 in the upcoming 2025 Charger. And, I did say that the EcoBoost and the Hurricane are both solid motors. I don't imagine you would have jumped all over a 450hp TT I4 in your Chevy days. Not saying there aren't good or even great motors out there that are not a v8. An Italian v12 makes music with its high end revs. Ferrari has a v6 in the 296 that sounds pretty good and the car is a monster. And Steve Saleen has a wonderful 4 banger in the new (if it ever actually happens) Saleen 1 My point is in the MOPAR world Dodge is not making a GT3rs. They are making an American muscle car. And nothing says American Muscle in the MOPAR world like a V8. I agree with you that there are wonderful enthusiast cars in the world. The Germans produce wonderful vehicles. But this video was about Dodge and not BMW or Porsche. Just sayin'.
Sound means a lot to a car enthusiast. I can remember when the NASCAR Busch Series ran V-6s and the sound at the track was horrible. It was like listening to someone scratch a chalkboard. I have heard a few good sounding inline 6s, but none of them sound good with open exhaust systems.
Nothing sounds better with an open exhaust than it does with a proper exhaust setup. V6 sounds completely different than an I6 etc etc etc - not everything is about the amount of cylinders, and no engine should be dumping sound straight into the atmosphere without a proper exhaust setup. Joe Dirts car may be valuable at Barrett Jackson but that doesn’t mean he dumped his v8 into a straight pipe and it sounded good just because it was a V8. Modifying your car wrong to make it louder doesn’t make it sound good. Loud good.
Only ppl who talk like this, have LITTLE SHT 4/6 cylender TURDS! That DONT SOUND GOOD, no matter WHAT! And BLOW OFF ISNT YOUR ENGINE! It’s the Blow off! It’s a POS, and won’t last 4 YEARS!
An amazing engine. Per some Dodge/Ram mechanics, many repairs, specifically to anything mounted to the rear of the engine, require body off to repair. There is simply no room to reach between the firewall and the engine to work on anything. This adds thousands in labor costs to what should be an easy repair.
This needs to be the top comment. This is going to be a terrible alternative to the hemi. Car care nut called it “high strung”. Hoovie’s comment mirrored yours. Stay away!!
I saw that vid on RUclips where the entire body was off the chassis just to get access to some fasteners on the rear of the engine. As an old working auto tech, this was mortifying regarding my attitude toward Stellantis and their movement to get rid of Dodge, Chrysler and maybe Jeep and Ram. Also, what happens if a person purchases a new Dodge and they unfortunately go out of business? I've been driving Dodge's of all forms, new, rusted out, powerful and powerless since the mid 70s. Sure I've owned lots of other stuff too, GM, Ford, Honda, and even a couple Saabs! But between working on late model cars and seeing what's coming in the horizon....it's scary. Your average key board warrior doesn't really know what it's like working on this stuff day by day. And less people now want to get into the auto repair trade than even 10 years ago. I agree with @zilsmooth @Springfield2016 comments should be up on top to let anyone who's considering purchasing the latest cars to think very carefully and do their due diligence WITH real auto techs....NOT keyboard mechanic wanna be fakes. @RacerX9 please read this.
No one has a hard time with change if the change is for the better or not shoved down one's throat. Seems like it's a promotional video of Hurricane Engine. The sound is an important reason why we buy cars and nothing beats a V8 there. If we are going to spend our money on inline 6 might as well do it on a BMW.
love my 2013 RAM w/ hemi. Still on the fence about this. Turbos are tough on an engine....will it last 200,000 miles like a naturally aspirated v8? At $70,000 purchase price it needs to.
I really don't understand why they dropped the SRT. Lot's of other manufacturer's are still making performance SUV. Never mind I'll stick with my 5.7 hemi.
Reliability issues already plague the hurricane, the price point on the new charger is disgusting, the brand loyalty is lost, and there still is no launch date for the new cars if it even ever comes out
My problem with the hurricane is that the tuning market will rule it out. If I want to build a straight 6 and boost it. I can boost a gm 4200. For cheap, and build huge power with just an ls derived head. The problem is, we can build better sixes that are proven in the field and on the track, for a fraction of the cost. I just don't see this motor being worth it to real motorheads.
based on what? Tunners tune V6 all day long. Being a twin turbo gives it even more potential. When the Cat3 crate drops, people are going to drop them in all kinds of vehicles
@@bobbybraddock7530My gtr is a v8 killer,I’m making 1200 hp,Don’t underestimate a v6 man,You will be surprised,I give you on the sound but not every v8 is fast,Some are very slow,Don’t get me wrong I love v8 ,My gtr is a hellcat and gt500 killer.
I have a 2013 Challenger SRT8 6 speed. I’m not opposed to the new hurricane engine or the electric version. I know this engine is going to be a beast but I’m wondering how it will be to service over the long run. It doesn’t have a physical oil dipstick, the spark plugs aren’t easy to get too, how long will the electric water pumps last and do they cost a fortune to change? Can we actually change the stuff on this engine ourselves without going to the dealer? Would also be cool if they offered a manual transmission with the six pack version of the charger.
I have it's terrible. That hurricane engine isn't for me no matter how much you hype it up for stallentis. I would rather have a V6 supercharged. Even when you put your foot into it, it didn't go all that fast... you didn't fool me.
You'd rather have a v6 or v8? Inline 6 engines (like the Cummins) are over square, so they make way more torque down low. Even though the powerstroke(v8) makes way more hp and torque, the Cummins is superior for towing
Would you like me to go into the issues with the hemi! I can write you a novel. You are assuming guilty until proven innocent in terms of reliability .. not sure why
@@StephenWelch-fh2sq I swear to God you people are retarded. What if you wanted a TTi6 but not a BMW? what if you didn't want to deal with shit gaskets, VANOS solenoids, disappearing coolant and plastic oil pumps that fail at or before 50k? What if you don't want to spend $80k for less power than a (speculated) $50K more usable coupe with a hatch? There's more to a car than the engine stupid, and you can use that same logic with everything else. iF i WaNtEd aN i6 I'd bUy a 2jZ
This is the same situation with the ford 3.5 ecoboost years ago. Everything on paper was better than the v8, but it sounded terrible and wasn’t reliable, so nobody cared for it. However I6 sounds better than a v6, we’ll have to see on reliability. I do remember driving a Taurus sho once with with the 3.5 ecoboost and it was a lot of fun; I always thought it would he cool to put it in a mustang, so I am excited to see the hurricane in the charger/challenger. Btw I drove a wagoneer with the I6 and it does have kick ass performance.
It's had some major issues from what I've found. I feel like it's a mix of the N54/ecoboost. Good engine, but what's around it will kill it cause it's faulty and hasn't been revised yet but will prob be fixed/updated in future models.
The tuning possibilities are endless, I guess its the Mopar 2JZ but what I'm worried about is the reliability. And the fact it doesn't have that V8 sound might turn of us hardcore Mopar fans
New. It's dodge only. The I6 isn't borrowed from any of the other brands and was made for dodge applications specifically. The I6 is a overbuilt version of the I4 hurricane borrower from alfa that was made closed deck with a forged crank and internals(S.O does not get forged internals)that's similar to the Bmws B58/S58 I6s.
Just curious but what do you expect in terms of engine longevity? My only hesitancy is I feel like a 540hp I6 is going to be stressed to the max. Thanks!
I worked at a dodge dealership and I was very disappointed with the quality of the vehicles coming from the manufacturer. So many electrical issues blemishes in the paint, bad batteries and more recalls than I can count. I eventually had to quit because I could not promote such a bad product.
I've been a lifelong Mopar Fan....I have driven Mopar Powered vehicles for 38 years so It doesn't matter to me what was under the hood whether it was the Early Gen 1/2 Hemis,Big Block or Small Block LA, 2.2l Turbo II engines, Magnum Series engines, or the beloved Gen 3 Hemis, PowerTech 4.7, Slant 6 or even the venerable 4.0l Inline 6. I am about the heritage of Mopar not just the Hemi persay. I will continue to support the company no matter who owns them... Plus I am getting older and I cannot stand vehicles with loud obnoxious exhausts systems. Amazing how times have changed and when the new Ram Truck debuted in 1993 and boy did people throw a hissy fit, Along comes the Charger in 4 door boy did people throw a temper tantrum, now here comes a new inline 6 turbo and people are once again throwing a fit. Times might be changing either you get on board or go elsewhere don't throw a tantrum, just move on enjoy your life.
Sounds like you had alot of great miles in those Mopars. To be honest, I miss my magnum 360 pickup truck...wish it hadn't got stolen and ruined. My replacement was a rusty 8100 Avalanche. I'd say it is similar to the wonderful V10 Dodge had.
I have always looked at motors like springs. You can make any spring almost act like another when you twist it a bit tighter. And it probably will work for a while. But almost without fail, that spring WILL SNAP. When it does, and in this case a motor, when it does, what else will it take with it? I would rather have just a regular EFI over twin turbo's because when they fail, and they will, how much will it cost to replace. They run harder, work harder, etc, putting more wear and tear on the tuner engine in your truck. I'll take a less wound up V8 that I can work on. Lower RPM's, less wear and tear, especially in high temp regions.
I am glad that your positive about the hurricane engine but I have worked for Chrysler and Dodge for almost 20 years and the quality of there products and customer service suck!
Just as a service to others here, can you tell us what's the worst quality issue with any Chrysler or Dodge? I'm serious, not poking any fun at you....I'd like to avoid some of the products they've sold that you feel are the worst quality wise. TY for answering if you do. Oh, and an FYI, I personally don't like those roller lifters that lose the needle bearings in them and wipe out the cam. But then again, I hate Tritons also, which are Ford as you probably know. And that reminds how many Ecoboost's have giving up the ghost as well as every damn GM LS 5.3 that has engine issues that I've worked on.
I drove an enterprise rental wagoneer with the hurricane but the check engine light was on. I was also very surprised at the power delivery but I’m not crazy about all these electrical issues Jeep seems to have.
Going back 40 to 50 years, Chrysler (and I mean CJDR) have always had electrical issues with modules and wiring. However, their alternators, starters and batteries are generally speaking, reasonably durable. This is from a Mopar fan boy! As far as this inline 6 is concerned, according to engine engineers, they knew they were going to incorporate the turbos on these vehicles from scratch so as such, they designed the engine with that in mind. However many turbos out there are designed as an afterthought on an ICE and that is really where many turbo engines fail because they were not originally designed for it. As such, many internal and external components of the engine, such as the pistons or cooling system, cannot handle the extra boost.
We had a late model 22 Grand Wagoneer with the hurricane engine in it. It lasted 6k miles before it needed a whole new engine and cooling system! Not Impressed....
I have a '65 F350 with the same engine. The Ford 300 six is one of the best engines ever built. The Australians kept updating it and eventually gave us the Barra. .... The Hurricane is no Barra.
I drove ford Broncos and F-150s with both 302 V8s and 300 I6s. The 302 had a little more power, but the 300 was just as good. IMO, the debate isn't 8 vs. 6 cylinders; it is about size (displacement) period. Little engines start hitting a wall around 100,000 miles when you work them.
People with reservations about the 6 cylinder with twin turbos versus the V8, just research the 1987 Grand National GNX, V6 single Garrett turbo, fastest production car in 87, the numbers were reduced for insurance and tree hugger purposes, just imagine what the technology is today!!
Agreed on the GN. Wonder how fast it would be with a twin turbo v-8? , I owned and loved the Grand National, but this Dodge 6 cyl will likely have higher maintenence with Turbos than a regular Dodge v8. I would buy another RWD Grand National in a second.
The issue is just it’s a v6 not that it’s not fast or anything it’s just not a true muscle car. I have a hellcat and a stinger the stinger gets up and goes with some upgrades could smoke the hellcat all day. But I just don’t like the way v6s drive which is a lot of people’s issues I think is they just don’t want a v6 they’d rather drive a v8 even if it’s slower then a tt 6 cylinder
@@Daniel73865 I completely understand, very few people liked the idea of turbos period, all I can say is if you ride the old wooden wheeled wagon too long, eventually you won’t make it to town and back…
@@bobbybraddock7530 I’ll agree to a certain extent. They lifted the whole mandatory ev thing they’re trying to make cars and light trucks average 50mpg by 2031. Point being the way it’s going it won’t matter if you like a v6 or not we all are gonna be driving 4 bangers with 150hp soon if we keep letting them get their way.
I've heard they've been having alot of problems with them but it is a new engine so there's that. These issues are making it unreliable and techs don't want to work on it the whole body has to come off for any kind of drivetrain work.
Tbh this just seems like every manufacturer has issues now. Even toyo has having issues with their new I4 and V6TT so I'm expecting recalls for all of them for a good while till they get good tbh.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Taking care of them definitely helps prolong them. But they run red hot and towing with them, driving with spirit, they will fail eventually.
Great video! I understand the Hurricane will go in the 2025 Jeep Gladiator. Probably tuned different. Was not the gas mileage reasonable with the Hemi V8 as it had cylinder cutoff? Thanks.
That Ancel battery tester is pretty cool. I'm going to have to look at getting one of those. Since my car is a push to start, it will either crank or it will not.. so I can't gauge on starter behavior to know if my battery is weak! A tester like that would be perfect to avoid the dreaded, no start scenario! As for the Hurricane I6, I'm not quite sure yet... I guess we'll have to see it installed in a performance car, see how it performs and holds up, and let time speak for it's reputation.
Here my problem with this engine. It doesn’t scream durability it says performance. The aluminum block. The sprayed in cylinder liner twin turbos. I sure it’s a great preformance engine but is it a pickup engine. Ford has had problems with the eco boost in a truck and Toyota is having problems with there turbo engine in there trucks. My concern is they are a through away engine. There going to be expensive to replace and likely impossible to repair and in a truck that should be used for work those are major problems
I own an BMW M4 Comp that comes with the S58 inline 6 twin turbo. Has crazy power and with a few mods and a tune people are seeing 700 WHP out of the platform that can be daily driven. Sounds like garbage, I will admit, the way the turbos are arranged and the exhaust is setup but love it.
@susanestes418 is this the same bmw that use to make 1500hp out of a 1.5 liter turbo 4 for f1 in the early 80s, is this the same bmw that made the engine for the first 240mph super car in the early 90s, has dodge ever done that😂
I got a 25’ rebel it’s quick definitely needs pipes and tune. There seems to be a weird misfire on cold start idle. The trans is definitely clunky hopefully they will have a software update for the shifting and shutter
I have had the 2025 ram 1500 limited with the 3.0ttHO engine in it for about a month. Great engine, smooth power delivery, cant feel the transmission shift, and when you stand on it.....wow, its a rocket ship. Only complaint I have is the engine is jumpy from idle speed to about 1100 rpm. something is wrong with its throttle response at very low rpm.
Just buy a BMW why spend that much money on a unproven inline 6 from a company that has sabotaged every American brand. When around the same price range you can get a BMW with the same engine and is actually a luxury brand not a brand forced into a luxury brand it just makes no sense.
Not according to the window sticker. Even the HO version is better on gas! I have not tested it real world because I would have to have both engines in the same vehicle for a period of time.
Screw them bratwurst 🌭 nazis and Wong tong Kami kaze japs… BUY AMERICAN! The only 6 cylinder I’d ever own would be a Buick Grand National… talk about a badass car! Got a buddy of mine running 8s with a stock 3.8. Other than that I’m a V8 guy. Cmon now! WE’RE AMERICANS HERE! And Americans drive DOMESTIC V8s
Reminds me of the 80s when buick had the turbo v6 beating every v8 lineup performance engine within gm. But the difference is theres no choice for a v8
All in all, X, you're a great politician and salesman. But will the racer in you actually buy one? I was born & raised on a V8, it's gonna be hard to change. I'm old. LOL
The hurricane is the least satisfying engine to drive in the full size truck segment because it’s a V6 and TFL trucks proved the hurricane is the worst engine in full sized trucks when it comes to MPGs. That’s why people aren’t crazy about the hurricane.
@@MrPFFlyer wtf are you talking about you troll? He clearly said that people have been kind of bashing the hurricane and I gave my opinion on it. I think the hurricane is a pretty good platform personally.
@@GenoSalvati Jesus Christ. I understand it’s an inline 6 and technically not a “V”. The internet grammar police and keyboard warriors really make it hard to have a decent fucking conversation. Sorry not cussing at you. Just at the situation.
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So if it’s so good why don’t you trade your hemi v8 for one 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Thanks for making this video! Very informative!
I’ve had one for a couple years and it’s worked well for me.
Buick Grand National was a six...was it not?
I will try one eventually when my Hemi dies
They struggle because they have completely ignored the customers' wishes.
Apparently it runs like it’s already being stressed so I can’t imagine with boost or tuning without toughening up some of the internals a lil bit
@hughitt6107 except that it's not running stressed. Crank, rods & pistons are forged from the factory. What exactly can you improve on beefing up the internals?
@Right-Handed_Neutrino more cylinders so there are more bearings, there is a reason these are just now available, government forced their hands, it's stressed
@@Right-Handed_Neutrino read the comment below you and best believes as soon as those turbos blow they’ll cost you an arm and a leg
@@hughitt6107inline 6’s are naturally better balanced than V8’s; turbos are much more efficient than supercharging; they come stock with forged internals… definitely a losing combination 🥴
Problem is BMW has mastered the I6TT. These will have to be extremely tunable, reliable, and cheaper to compete. I’d have a tough time taking this over an M340. That’s apples to apples. Once you lose the V8, you start cross shopping with every other German brand. I got my challenger for the 6.4. The sound, the NA, all of it
That's been my point since they announced they were going this direction. Anyone who wanted the best inline 6 experience is already on the BMW train.
@@S8ER100% agree
BMW 6tt is a great engine however it's cost to maintain is outside reasonable by a Texas mile.
That's why BMW values tank horribly when the warranty expires.
@@phonebackup8132 yes thats why dodge will need to come in cheaper and more reliable to compete
100% Agree! Right on point with BMW, also the rest of the European market. Which makes me wonder if that's why they went the Hurricane direction, is Shitlantis using the American market to production test an I6 TT engine for their European brands? Much cheaper to do it here than Europe, given the stricter emission standards, fuel standards, etc... over there.
One of the biggest problems is that 90 percent of dodge dealers alienated their customer base, to the point that I’m not sure they’ll survive 😢
That's funny as hell... Dodge ain't going nowhere...😂
@tiansummers2110 there moving to a grave due to the ceos "genius acts"
@@tiansummers2110they going to hell 😂
@@tiansummers2110
I heard the same about Plymouth.
@@tiansummers2110well he said the dealers those definitely will be gone... As a company it's been gone a long time... Those badges being on cars will be around longer than the dealers, but at some point probably will just be a badge and that's pretty much the point we're at. Now that the 90s designed hemi is gone!! That was the last thing Chrysler they had left. I guess if you want to argue the shape of the Wrangler but even that it's completely changed
I'll wait to see one with 200,000 miles on it
It won't hit that without major issues...
Never
Inline 6 engines can be super reliable, Chevy 4200 is a really good inline… 2jz, S54…. I wouldn’t say never but I expect the very least from Dodge 😂
Inline 6's are a very good platform. "High Strung" and over stressed Turbo or Super Charged versions are NOT long term Reliable. If ....ANY.... of these Engines make it past Warranty, I'll be totally shocked.
@@brucenichols540in what way is this overstressed, forged internals can take a beating forever
I tried the Twin Turbo V6 thing. It was ok, but now I have a V8 again and I'm loving every minute.
Ram should come out with a New Single cab short bed one with v8 and I6tt
Its an inline 6... not a V6. Very big difference
@@bobbycalifornia7077whatever you gotta tell yourself
@@bobbycalifornia7077the difference being the pistons being up and down vs to the side?
Wait till you hear about TT v8s 😏
I think the design has great potential, but the Stellantis "Quality" has me too spooked to risk buying one anytime soon.
Ya. It’s a good idea. But there’s no way in fuck a twin turbo i6 from dodge will be reliable. We’ll see how they sell
That's what I was thinking. Great engine surrounded by problems.
Never be an early adopter.
Ram is top rated for quality according to JD Powers,.
@@EvilXtianitywith enough cash jd power will name anything top rated
We wanted a hemi
You say this because you have not driven one.
@blackericdenice I have a ecoboost f150 tuned and it's definitely fast. But rather have a 5.0 or hemi anyday
@@davidpowers8266 If you say so
Companies no longer care what you want. Obviously. But it used to be called It's called "Cubic Inches" not Forced Induction.
@@leecrumble3921It’s just gonna be more stolen. Hemis are most stolen vehicle. Thats why they are gone.
Youre missing the big picture. It's NOT muscle. That's the whole problem.
Really doesn't matter to me. If it can make up for it. I'm for it.
Grand national would beg to differ
Having owned over 20 turbo Buicks Which is the only 6 banger I'd still own.. @@mister-amazing
Who give a shit if is a good engine
@@mister-amazing I agree in its day but now a Camry TRD is right on its bumper so really not that amazing in stock form. Still a badass car though.
I’ve been a mustang guy for 30 years so I understand all the guys here screaming V8 till I die but I’ve also owned a 3 litre twin turbo BMW for five years. An inline 6 is so vibration free when you first drive them it feels like they aren’t running. They make peak torque from 1400rpm straight to redline and the depth of your wallet is the only limiting factor in power potential. They just make power everywhere, down low, midrange, up top, if you’re in the right gear you hit the gas and go! It’s true they don’t make the noise of a V8 but thankfully they also don’t make the noise of a V6. Like it or not seeing the taillights of something powered by a turbo I6 is just going to become more common
Having grown up with a parent that had an old school bmw i6 and Im gonna try for a 340i, but being almost 21 that price and insurance is gonna end me lol
@@averagerecon9777 don’t kill yourself with a car payment, just buy something older and cheaper. Get something with an N54 or and N55, the reliability issues are overblown as long as you don’t buy one that’s got a million miles and hasn’t been maintained. That way you can have some fun and mod your car instead of putting all your money into a payment. And don’t think those B58’s aren’t going to have leaky gaskets and problems when they’re hitting 120,000 miles, easy to talk about reliability with 40,000 miles and two years of warranty left. I’ve got an E92 N54, had it for 5 years, done the plugs and coils and I’m about to do my water pump so other than oil changes I’m looking at about $700 over 5 years in maintenance. Going to walnut blast it next year, do the oil filter housing gaskets and a valve cover and gasket at the same time preventatively maybe $1000 for all that and the year after that I’m going to do a turbo upgrade and while I’m down there I’m going to do the oil pan gasket. Anyway my point is if you’re young don’t overspend just to have something new and flashy that’s not what the car scene is about, you need to have enough left over to actually enjoy life. You don’t want a big car payment stopping you from getting a house or going on vacations or just hanging out with friends, nothing kills the joy of having a nice car like having to sell it.
@@Aaron-br1fc fair enough man! Thanks for the advice! I’ve been looking at the e92 era, not quite sure if I could even find a 335i for a good deal that’s not been ran into the junkyard, I was thinking something like a 328i something I can learn to work on and was hopefully own by a grandma lol wish the best with the build on your end, hope she comes out the way you like!
@@averagerecon9777 good luck with whatever you decide on, if you go the E9X route there’s tons of diy’s on RUclips for just about anything that might need to fix or want to mod
What a great statement. Didn’t know any of this. Ty for input
If I remember, you were impressed by the hornet as well. So I'm weary
He's gotta stay on good terms with everyone (dealers and all) makes his life way easier.
Don't be dumb, bring back the Hemi,32 valve, double overhead cam monster 😮
The hornet is good for what it is, not every car is made for strictly performance alone, small suv's are popular for a reason.
@hpickettz34 well that small suv isn't popular
The 2.0 Hurricane is still very impressive. All the people that hate on it have never driven it. Morons
Man being a youtuber has its perks. My redeye was in the shop for almost 4 months and they didnt have a loaner car for me. I had to buy a cheap beater car or get reimbursed for a rental which i would have paid thousands of my own money after like a month of waiting.
Yup! It's usually about who you know, unfortunately.
Yep should reached home out to a RUclips guy so they could. Make content on the issue, make some money, look like the good guy, get some subs and help you with your issue.
What kinda nunce keeps a 100k 800hp car a as dd? First time?
Same here.... 5 months I didn't trust the loaner reimbursement either and bought a beater.
@@dspicerj Are cars not meant to be driven? Pretty sure the redeye doesn't come with a "Weekend only" sticker on it.
I do appreciate that you are more open than I am... I just can't. Keeping my Hellcat alive as long as I can.
Everyone will be.
Dodge doesn't even have the support that dealers need to fix ppls cars with the 2015 design. And they under pay their mechanics which leaves the customer with sub par work being done
I do not what Chrysler Dealership you take Chrysler Jeep Dodge or Ram.
The Dealership I go to has EXCELLENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT FIXED RIGHT FIRST TIME.
Been going there for decades for service.
I take my chrysler vehicles there for Oil changes.
@@michaelriebandt6754 what dealer is it I'll go there lol
@@michaelriebandt6754 my dealer contacted Dodge. Dodge told them to change the motor they took 4 months total to get the motor and put it in.
My friend is a general manager of a CDJR dealer he has three hurricanes waiting for motors that have blown. Good luck putting 700 horsepower in these things. You all will be footing the bill for a new 15,000 motor. Pass
Correct. Bottom end is very weak on them
Wow, I didn't think there were even very many of them on the road yet. I was intrigued by these but they burned me with the 3.0 Ecodiesel in 2014 so I knew better than to trust them with another new release.
@@FaithfulServant316 Apparently they didn't learn their lesson with the Ecodiesel. The I6 is basically the I4 from Jeep and Alfa with 2 more cylinders. Using an engine meant for a crossover or smaller sedan to put out huge torque is one of the main reasons why so many of those diesel engines would blow out the bottom ends in the 1500.
It’s a new engine. Ask Toyota. Cough
And he probably has 20 Hemi’s with chewed up lifters and 50 with broken manifold bolts. 😂 Hurricane seems like the less risky option!
I think people forget what a truck is for, work. When the turbo spool up for heavy loads or towing,mileage drops like a stone( friends with ecoboost confirm). My experience with my 87 GN is that as well...cruising 25mpg,playing 12-14mpg. I don't give a crap about the latest gizmo, give me a natural v8 that will last and can be worked on. You can put 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag but the seams are gonna give
Semi engines are i6 turbos with 2000lbs of torque.
@@hpickettz34 Semi engines are also 12.7 to 18 liters, diesel and put out around the same HP as this 3.0 liter gas engine. Which one is stressed more? I've been around diesel engines for over 40 years,both trucks and marine, you cannot compare big slow turning diesels to the 3.0. Not saying it won't be a decent little engine, just not a 3406 Cat.
@@danhatt7709the fact that you’re comparing those two engines is fucking insane
@@danhatt7709also what do you think happens to any other engine ever made under load????!?
Then buy a V8, I dont understand why you're on a video about an I6 when you don't want one?!!🤦🏿♂️
But the sound is a big deal
Yup,my 5.7 isn't the fastest, but god damn it sound like a dream. I can still punch it to 150 mph on a straight road with no cars, with sound! And it's cheap.
@@harveylin3548 and super slow with terrible mpg, couldn't be me.
If you straight pipe a 6 it can sound pretty much like a v8
@@hpickettz34 my V8 gets me 20 mpg combined, I wouldn’t say that’s bad. The was driving mine at 151 mph the other day, it’s hardly any slow.
@@harveylin3548My 5.7L gets 7.7mpg city
Ahh yes the stellantis salesman is back at it! You are impressed by everything they do and you see why they do everything they do… almost like you’re compensated for it!
Tin foil is cheap
Wow, my 2009 Viper has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. But to hear that both Wagoneers have issues....damn, what a disappointment in quality control.
Your viper is also a pretty simple car, not alot of technology in those cars compared to cars today.
According to some people here your Viper can’t be muscle if it’s not a v8. Throw that terrible sounding v10 away. No one wants a car that looks good and has big power that isn’t a straight piped V8. /sarcasm switch off
@@hpickettz34 So with that mentality it would be ok for modern passenger jets to constantly fail while in the sky? They have a thousand times more tech than a modern Wagoneer, yet they rarely fall out of the sky. Technology, if built correctly and with quality is extremely reliable. The Gen 4 Viper had probably the most advanced PCM ever designed in the early 2000's...in fact, nobody has been able to crack the code so it can be modified (bummer). As hard as it is to believe, my 2009 Viper is classified as a low emissions vehicle according to the government mandated EPA emissions sticker.....600 naturally aspirated horsepower and low emissions....Yeah, that was real simple to do. Lets face it, Stellantis is crapping the bed in many ways. Another 18 months of this and they'll be sold again. Hopefully the new regime will pick a name that doesn't sound like an erectile dysfunction drug.
@@XboxAlivepretty sure its v8 minimum. V10 or v12 are certainly muscle if in a 2 door car...
@@ned_frankly correct that’s my point. I was being sarcastic.
I like racerx. He seems to be a great guy. But I have to be cautious about his messages. I feel he's to close to dodge and on their payroll so he can't say maybe what he honestly feels.
Yep my thoughts exactly. He's always trying to defend it in some kind of way
Can't say I blame him for not just trashing the brand. No reason to burn the bridge yet
I'm a first time viewer of Racer X. Him worshipping Stellantis- ESPECIALLY with Stellantis screwing customers tells me he's too emotionally and probably financially invested in Stellantis to be objectionable.The Car Care Nut had a pre production 6 cyl Tundra months ago and was praising it with the tenacity of a cult member. The Toyota engine like the Stellantis engine is a giant Turd.
Take what he says with a grain of salt
Lord forbid I do something other than bash Dodge .. Thats what so many of these guys are doing.. they are so close minded! It just gets old! I encourage you to simply try something new! You might actually like it! Just about every drag racer or performance enthusiast that has actually driven then this thing says its amazing. Some people change is scary and they just cant bring themselves to do it. Dodge doesn't pay me a dime. But I respect all engines because I know what they are capable of.
Do you have to take the body off the frame to replace the hoses or transmission?
I'm from Australia and the top engine swap here that isn't a V8 is Ford's BARRA turbo 4.0 inline 6 cylinder making as much as over 1200-wheel HP. They're cheaper than a 2JZ build over here.
1200whp isn’t muscle if it’s not a straight piped 400whp v8 - so muscle = a slow car that can’t corner and looks bulky and cheap and sounds louder than an explosion is the only way to live according to some of these dodge boys and girls. 🤦
@@XboxAlive Yes but you have to admit 1200 hp from a 4 cylinder is pretty impressive. It may not be a muscle car, but it'd be fun to toss one into a sedan and go have some fun. I love my V8s too but I need toys for all of my multiple personalities!
Very cool but not available here in USA
The bigger better brother of the ford barra is the 1FZ-FE and TB48 engines they are huge inline six 4.5-4.8 displacement and absolutely indestructible these 2 engines are capable with a turbo of 1500-2000 horse power on stock crank and block they destroy any V8 in a race or off road
What does Scotty Kilmer think?
😂😂😂
hes gonna say the turbos will fail. which is true. its a point of major failure. but not that crazy to replace. comparable to a transmission replacement in price.
He will suggest that Stellantis bring back the 1994 Toyota Celica, and the odometer should start at 240,000 miles🙂
The hurricane engine will wear out 3-4 times faster than a naturally aspirated V8 Hemi and if it gets to 100,000 miles without issues, and that’s a big IF, even with forged internals …. you’re going to have loads of issues. Let’s talk when a good portion of hurricane engines hit 100k+ miles.
Won’t happen because the people who can afford these new cars are going to trade them in right before
Nailed It!
You do know that the Hemi is a dinosaur. Major lifter issues...
I love it. But it's old school. Old v8 tech
And what is your theory based on? I hope it's not based on tuners putting a turbo on a non turbo vehicle. Or even a forged motor. This motor was built for a turbo. It's a totally different animal
@@Ruphus7I give it 70 to 80k and you got head gasket issues if you beat on it
I love straight 6 engines. They are very smooth and the torque was right in the sweet spot. I've had 2 BMWs, one with the 3.3 and one with the 2.5 liter naturally aspirated inline six and they had plenty of power for those cars and they were great highway cruisers. I was getting 26 MPG at 75-80 MPH on trips. They don't sound as good as a V-8, but they have a nice PURR to them.
I agree, bmw m20, m54, s54, n52 all sound amazing to me. i love i6 engine sounds. i4s and v6s are too raspy, i5s and v10s are too high pitched. inline six and v8 and v12 are perfect.
Look. Here is the reality. The I6 is a 6. Nothing will ever change that. No one that loves the roar of a V8 will ever get the same joy from an 6 cylinder.
Just the reality. The V6 eco boost is a solid motor for ford. Been proven even racing. Makes great power, super tunable.
But it is not a predator.
The hurricane, on paper is solid. Just isn't an emotional power plant.
That's why you keep your V8
@@GrumpyMonkey69 And that is why you keep your v8. Lol.
False, I was with chevy from 2010 to 2021 with 2 vettes and zl1, now I'm team bmw and hopefully I'll be team porsche in another 10yrs, I like variety staying with the same platform is boring, a real car enthusiasts likes a variety of cars, life is too short driving the samething your entire life.
@@hpickettz34 lol. Sorry to offend your "real enthusiast" sensibilities. But this video was not about BMW or Porsche. Porsche has a fantastic flat 6. BMW a great I6. Lotus even made a very fun little 4 banger.
Forgive me for not being overly enamored with a V6 Camero, or a 4 banger Mustang, or in this case, the actual topic of this video, an I6 in the upcoming 2025 Charger.
And, I did say that the EcoBoost and the Hurricane are both solid motors.
I don't imagine you would have jumped all over a 450hp TT I4 in your Chevy days.
Not saying there aren't good or even great motors out there that are not a v8. An Italian v12 makes music with its high end revs. Ferrari has a v6 in the 296 that sounds pretty good and the car is a monster. And Steve Saleen has a wonderful 4 banger in the new (if it ever actually happens) Saleen 1
My point is in the MOPAR world Dodge is not making a GT3rs. They are making an American muscle car. And nothing says American Muscle in the MOPAR world like a V8.
I agree with you that there are wonderful enthusiast cars in the world. The Germans produce wonderful vehicles. But this video was about Dodge and not BMW or Porsche.
Just sayin'.
@hpickettz34 I've been thinking of doing this myself. Had Corvette and Camaro's all my life. Thinking about selling the C7 and ordering a new M2 M6.
Sound means a lot to a car enthusiast. I can remember when the NASCAR Busch Series ran V-6s and the sound at the track was horrible. It was like listening to someone scratch a chalkboard. I have heard a few good sounding inline 6s, but none of them sound good with open exhaust systems.
Nothing sounds better with an open exhaust than it does with a proper exhaust setup. V6 sounds completely different than an I6 etc etc etc - not everything is about the amount of cylinders, and no engine should be dumping sound straight into the atmosphere without a proper exhaust setup. Joe Dirts car may be valuable at Barrett Jackson but that doesn’t mean he dumped his v8 into a straight pipe and it sounded good just because it was a V8. Modifying your car wrong to make it louder doesn’t make it sound good. Loud good.
Only ppl who talk like this, have LITTLE SHT 4/6 cylender TURDS!
That DONT SOUND GOOD, no matter WHAT!
And BLOW OFF ISNT YOUR ENGINE!
It’s the Blow off!
It’s a POS, and won’t last 4 YEARS!
Sound is the only reason why V8s are so popular. I6 engines are far more durable and easier to work on. But nothing sounds as good as a V8 😊
An amazing engine. Per some Dodge/Ram mechanics, many repairs, specifically to anything mounted to the rear of the engine, require body off to repair. There is simply no room to reach between the firewall and the engine to work on anything. This adds thousands in labor costs to what should be an easy repair.
This needs to be the top comment. This is going to be a terrible alternative to the hemi. Car care nut called it “high strung”. Hoovie’s comment mirrored yours. Stay away!!
I saw that vid on RUclips where the entire body was off the chassis just to get access to some fasteners on the rear of the engine. As an old working auto tech, this was mortifying regarding my attitude toward Stellantis and their movement to get rid of Dodge, Chrysler and maybe Jeep and Ram. Also, what happens if a person purchases a new Dodge and they unfortunately go out of business? I've been driving Dodge's of all forms, new, rusted out, powerful and powerless since the mid 70s. Sure I've owned lots of other stuff too, GM, Ford, Honda, and even a couple Saabs! But between working on late model cars and seeing what's coming in the horizon....it's scary. Your average key board warrior doesn't really know what it's like working on this stuff day by day. And less people now want to get into the auto repair trade than even 10 years ago. I agree with @zilsmooth @Springfield2016 comments should be up on top to let anyone who's considering purchasing the latest cars to think very carefully and do their due diligence WITH real auto techs....NOT keyboard mechanic wanna be fakes. @RacerX9 please read this.
Does it smell like melting plastic and coolant like every other Dodge?
No one has a hard time with change if the change is for the better or not shoved down one's throat.
Seems like it's a promotional video of Hurricane Engine.
The sound is an important reason why we buy cars and nothing beats a V8 there.
If we are going to spend our money on inline 6 might as well do it on a BMW.
love my 2013 RAM w/ hemi. Still on the fence about this. Turbos are tough on an engine....will it last 200,000 miles like a naturally aspirated v8? At $70,000 purchase price it needs to.
Does this hurricane have an oil dipstick???
Hello no
Big problems there
Inline six is nice because it is so well balanced. It has room to get at each side of the engine.
For me the sound is what I'm looking for. That deep growl and roar.
Derp
Buy a lion. They roar
And as it’s been said many times before:
There is no replacement for displacement.
SRT line was the only thing that had me exited. Oh well.
I really don't understand why they dropped the SRT. Lot's of other manufacturer's are still making performance SUV. Never mind I'll stick with my 5.7 hemi.
Of course there is, it’s called forced induction 😂
@fullspeedfordbronco thank you...plus your dropping a considerable amount of weight with the 6 cylinder...
Forged pistons but what about the rods ? Imma have to go back and find some videos on the engine
Good question...and I've already forgotten what the main caps for the crank are all about. That would be important IF I'd ever consider a Drag Pak
Will these make it to at least 100k miles? Thats what im wondering
I have my doubts.
I'm hearing engineers are saying the rods aren't that strong which will prevent major power increases through tuning
But can it take a beating will it be a dependable engine how will the turbos hold up
Reliability issues already plague the hurricane, the price point on the new charger is disgusting, the brand loyalty is lost, and there still is no launch date for the new cars if it even ever comes out
I wonder if a valvetronic exhaust would help the h.o. version of the hurricane
My problem with the hurricane is that the tuning market will rule it out. If I want to build a straight 6 and boost it. I can boost a gm 4200. For cheap, and build huge power with just an ls derived head. The problem is, we can build better sixes that are proven in the field and on the track, for a fraction of the cost. I just don't see this motor being worth it to real motorheads.
based on what? Tunners tune V6 all day long. Being a twin turbo gives it even more potential. When the Cat3 crate drops, people are going to drop them in all kinds of vehicles
If that’s the case, everyone would have a V10
Or V12, nothing replicates that sound and power either…
@@bobbybraddock7530 this
@@bobbybraddock7530My gtr is a v8 killer,I’m making 1200 hp,Don’t underestimate a v6 man,You will be surprised,I give you on the sound but not every v8 is fast,Some are very slow,Don’t get me wrong I love v8 ,My gtr is a hellcat and gt500 killer.
@@josevega23how much you got into that GTR 250K ? TO MAKE 1200 TO 1500HP ? Just asking what's a GTR starting price ?
What are the plans for the Ram 2500? Are they keeping the 6.4 Hemi?
the Car Care Nut said that the engine felt "highly stressed" to him? What do you think?
I wonder if they will be as reliable as the older in line 6cyl, and how they will come out in the next 5-10 years.
I have a 2013 Challenger SRT8 6 speed. I’m not opposed to the new hurricane engine or the electric version.
I know this engine is going to be a beast but I’m wondering how it will be to service over the long run. It doesn’t have a physical oil dipstick, the spark plugs aren’t easy to get too, how long will the electric water pumps last and do they cost a fortune to change? Can we actually change the stuff on this engine ourselves without going to the dealer?
Would also be cool if they offered a manual transmission with the six pack version of the charger.
Great question
You buy it, you eat it!🙊🙉🙈💥💨💩
Racer X question. Do dodge have an a 426 Hurricane i6 engine.?. Six cycilinder .?.
I have it's terrible. That hurricane engine isn't for me no matter how much you hype it up for stallentis. I would rather have a V6 supercharged. Even when you put your foot into it, it didn't go all that fast... you didn't fool me.
You'd rather have a v6 or v8? Inline 6 engines (like the Cummins) are over square, so they make way more torque down low. Even though the powerstroke(v8) makes way more hp and torque, the Cummins is superior for towing
All sounds great, but will it last? Will it go 200000 miles? Will it have problems like Fords 3.5v6.
Better in every way? Body off repairs, unproven reliability, no dip stick, carbon buildup from direct injection and likely an overstressed engine.
Would you like me to go into the issues with the hemi! I can write you a novel. You are assuming guilty until proven innocent in terms of reliability .. not sure why
@@RacerX9and you defending garbage whats your point if i wanted a tti6 I'd buy a bmw
@@StephenWelch-fh2sq I swear to God you people are retarded. What if you wanted a TTi6 but not a BMW? what if you didn't want to deal with shit gaskets, VANOS solenoids, disappearing coolant and plastic oil pumps that fail at or before 50k? What if you don't want to spend $80k for less power than a (speculated) $50K more usable coupe with a hatch? There's more to a car than the engine stupid, and you can use that same logic with everything else. iF i WaNtEd aN i6 I'd bUy a 2jZ
What about the longevity of this hurricane engine?
This is the same situation with the ford 3.5 ecoboost years ago. Everything on paper was better than the v8, but it sounded terrible and wasn’t reliable, so nobody cared for it. However I6 sounds better than a v6, we’ll have to see on reliability. I do remember driving a Taurus sho once with with the 3.5 ecoboost and it was a lot of fun; I always thought it would he cool to put it in a mustang, so I am excited to see the hurricane in the charger/challenger. Btw I drove a wagoneer with the I6 and it does have kick ass performance.
It's had some major issues from what I've found. I feel like it's a mix of the N54/ecoboost. Good engine, but what's around it will kill it cause it's faulty and hasn't been revised yet but will prob be fixed/updated in future models.
The 3.5 ecoboost is a great engine. I have it in a 3/4 ton cargo van and I love it. Hasn't given me any problems in the past 8 years
@@3644Darrell most of the v6 transits I’ve seen have a NA 3.5 or 3.7, it’s mainly the turbos that cause issues for people
The tuning possibilities are endless, I guess its the Mopar 2JZ but what I'm worried about is the reliability. And the fact it doesn't have that V8 sound might turn of us hardcore Mopar fans
The problem isn't v8s. The problems are they laid off American workers, they ignore the customers, and to round it off their prices are outrageous
Agreed
The problem is v8's first and foremost
Just asking, is this engine a shared engine or is it completely new for the US market?
New. It's dodge only. The I6 isn't borrowed from any of the other brands and was made for dodge applications specifically. The I6 is a overbuilt version of the I4 hurricane borrower from alfa that was made closed deck with a forged crank and internals(S.O does not get forged internals)that's similar to the Bmws B58/S58 I6s.
I think Dodge just shot themselves in the foot! We'll see?
Just curious but what do you expect in terms of engine longevity? My only hesitancy is I feel like a 540hp I6 is going to be stressed to the max. Thanks!
I'll give it 40k.
I worked at a dodge dealership and I was very disappointed with the quality of the vehicles coming from the manufacturer. So many electrical issues blemishes in the paint, bad batteries and more recalls than I can count. I eventually had to quit because I could not promote such a bad product.
X which would you rather have a 392 or the Hurricane?
I've been a lifelong Mopar Fan....I have driven Mopar Powered vehicles for 38 years so It doesn't matter to me what was under the hood whether it was the Early Gen 1/2 Hemis,Big Block or Small Block LA, 2.2l Turbo II engines, Magnum Series engines, or the beloved Gen 3 Hemis, PowerTech 4.7, Slant 6 or even the venerable 4.0l Inline 6. I am about the heritage of Mopar not just the Hemi persay. I will continue to support the company no matter who owns them... Plus I am getting older and I cannot stand vehicles with loud obnoxious exhausts systems. Amazing how times have changed and when the new Ram Truck debuted in 1993 and boy did people throw a hissy fit, Along comes the Charger in 4 door boy did people throw a temper tantrum, now here comes a new inline 6 turbo and people are once again throwing a fit. Times might be changing either you get on board or go elsewhere don't throw a tantrum, just move on enjoy your life.
Yep, going elsewhere.
Went elsewhere.
Sounds like you had alot of great miles in those Mopars. To be honest, I miss my magnum 360 pickup truck...wish it hadn't got stolen and ruined. My replacement was a rusty 8100 Avalanche. I'd say it is similar to the wonderful V10 Dodge had.
I have always looked at motors like springs. You can make any spring almost act like another when you twist it a bit tighter. And it probably will work for a while. But almost without fail, that spring WILL SNAP. When it does, and in this case a motor, when it does, what else will it take with it? I would rather have just a regular EFI over twin turbo's because when they fail, and they will, how much will it cost to replace. They run harder, work harder, etc, putting more wear and tear on the tuner engine in your truck. I'll take a less wound up V8 that I can work on. Lower RPM's, less wear and tear, especially in high temp regions.
The wagoneer has been out 2 model years, and they are still having major electrical issues
How is this more fuel efficient?
Everyone is going to 6cyl, but I think they should've done what ford did with ecoboost and coyote options.
How long so you think it's going to last,,,that's the big ?.
Just more stuff to break on that engine look at the eco boost it's got problems when it gets higher mileage that engine will do the same
does it take premium gas?
Dodge IS DEAD.
@Least the one I grew up with.
Is there any probs yet with it
I am glad that your positive about the hurricane engine but I have worked for Chrysler and Dodge for almost 20 years and the quality of there products and customer service suck!
How is the quality worse with a better engine
Just as a service to others here, can you tell us what's the worst quality issue with any Chrysler or Dodge? I'm serious, not poking any fun at you....I'd like to avoid some of the products they've sold that you feel are the worst quality wise. TY for answering if you do. Oh, and an FYI, I personally don't like those roller lifters that lose the needle bearings in them and wipe out the cam. But then again, I hate Tritons also, which are Ford as you probably know. And that reminds how many Ecoboost's have giving up the ghost as well as every damn GM LS 5.3 that has engine issues that I've worked on.
I drove an enterprise rental wagoneer with the hurricane but the check engine light was on. I was also very surprised at the power delivery but I’m not crazy about all these electrical issues Jeep seems to have.
Agreed
Going back 40 to 50 years, Chrysler (and I mean CJDR) have always had electrical issues with modules and wiring. However, their alternators, starters and batteries are generally speaking, reasonably durable. This is from a Mopar fan boy!
As far as this inline 6 is concerned, according to engine engineers, they knew they were going to incorporate the turbos on these vehicles from scratch so as such, they designed the engine with that in mind. However many turbos out there are designed as an afterthought on an ICE and that is really where many turbo engines fail because they were not originally designed for it. As such, many internal and external components of the engine, such as the pistons or cooling system, cannot handle the extra boost.
We had a late model 22 Grand Wagoneer with the hurricane engine in it. It lasted 6k miles before it needed a whole new engine and cooling system! Not Impressed....
Oh crap
@@larryc1616lies he just made his account 2 days ago😂😂😂
@explosivesgod2659 no lie! Took 3 months for jeep to buy it back! We received every cent we paid for it!
I believe it because I had a 1995 F150 with a straight six and the torque was unbelievable! At the time that was one of Ford’s best engines I think.
I have a '65 F350 with the same engine.
The Ford 300 six is one of the best engines ever built.
The Australians kept updating it and eventually gave us the Barra.
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The Hurricane is no Barra.
I drove ford Broncos and F-150s with both 302 V8s and 300 I6s. The 302 had a little more power, but the 300 was just as good. IMO, the debate isn't 8 vs. 6 cylinders; it is about size (displacement) period. Little engines start hitting a wall around 100,000 miles when you work them.
Racer X the inline six Turbo might be a good motor but there's no way it's better than the 6.2l hellcat motor.
It is better, it's more efficient.
@@hpickettz34better in what way it doesn't make more power than the hellcat engine..it doesn't make more torque, and it does not sound better either.
@musclecars92 what sounds better is a personal opinion.
@@hpickettz34 true at the end of the day it's your personal preference
History has shown that turbocharged inline-6s have a lot of tuning potential and are easy to tune, but we will see.
What transmission are they using.
A 3.0l l6 is better than a 3.0l v6 and a 3.0l H6 and even a 3.0l v8 the l6 produce naturally more torque than all
So you'll fix any problems if I decide to upgrade from my 2020 Ram??
Absolutely.. full warranty
People with reservations about the 6 cylinder with twin turbos versus the V8, just research the 1987 Grand National GNX, V6 single Garrett turbo, fastest production car in 87, the numbers were reduced for insurance and tree hugger purposes, just imagine what the technology is today!!
Agreed on the GN. Wonder how fast it would be with a twin turbo v-8? , I owned and loved the Grand National, but this Dodge 6 cyl will likely have higher maintenence with Turbos than a regular Dodge v8. I would buy another RWD Grand National in a second.
The issue is just it’s a v6 not that it’s not fast or anything it’s just not a true muscle car. I have a hellcat and a stinger the stinger gets up and goes with some upgrades could smoke the hellcat all day. But I just don’t like the way v6s drive which is a lot of people’s issues I think is they just don’t want a v6 they’d rather drive a v8 even if it’s slower then a tt 6 cylinder
@@Daniel73865there's literally no one who says the GNX isn't a muscle car though
@@Daniel73865 I completely understand, very few people liked the idea of turbos period, all I can say is if you ride the old wooden wheeled wagon too long, eventually you won’t make it to town and back…
@@bobbybraddock7530 I’ll agree to a certain extent. They lifted the whole mandatory ev thing they’re trying to make cars and light trucks average 50mpg by 2031. Point being the way it’s going it won’t matter if you like a v6 or not we all are gonna be driving 4 bangers with 150hp soon if we keep letting them get their way.
I hope the next owner of Dodge has the same interest and desire as that of v8 Hemi enthusiasts of today and yesterday.
I've heard they've been having alot of problems with them but it is a new engine so there's that. These issues are making it unreliable and techs don't want to work on it the whole body has to come off for any kind of drivetrain work.
Tbh this just seems like every manufacturer has issues now. Even toyo has having issues with their new I4 and V6TT so I'm expecting recalls for all of them for a good while till they get good tbh.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 with toyota that's somewhat expected but will be fixed quickly
That's insane lol, one of the great points of an I6 is the ease of working on it.
@@joshuaquilliam2887 not the hurricane i6 the bodies have to come off for service specifically the wagoneers and grand wagoneers
Good info vid Sir.....if it can be installed in a Gladiator with a 6spd trans....I'd really look at it. Thanks
Turbo's will fail Turbo's will be expensive.That is a fact
Why didn’t turbos from the 80’s fail. Like the old Supra mark 3.
Superchargers also don't last forever
If you take care of them, they should last a long while. And by then, other things will be breaking
Not if you take care of them. The big thing is to not shut the car right off. Lett it run a minute then turn it off.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Taking care of them definitely helps prolong them. But they run red hot and towing with them, driving with spirit, they will fail eventually.
You have no idea what you are talking about!
Great video! I understand the Hurricane will go in the 2025 Jeep Gladiator. Probably tuned different. Was not the gas mileage reasonable with the Hemi V8 as it had cylinder cutoff? Thanks.
That Ancel battery tester is pretty cool. I'm going to have to look at getting one of those. Since my car is a push to start, it will either crank or it will not.. so I can't gauge on starter behavior to know if my battery is weak! A tester like that would be perfect to avoid the dreaded, no start scenario!
As for the Hurricane I6, I'm not quite sure yet... I guess we'll have to see it installed in a performance car, see how it performs and holds up, and let time speak for it's reputation.
Ok take the turbos off it and how much hp does it have? How long until this engine wears out due to the turbos?
I don’t care about the engine honestly, I just want them to put it in something *LIGHTWEIGHT*
So true, a dodge dart definitely
Here my problem with this engine. It doesn’t scream durability it says performance. The aluminum block. The sprayed in cylinder liner twin turbos. I sure it’s a great preformance engine but is it a pickup engine. Ford has had problems with the eco boost in a truck and Toyota is having problems with there turbo engine in there trucks. My concern is they are a through away engine. There going to be expensive to replace and likely impossible to repair and in a truck that should be used for work those are major problems
I own an BMW M4 Comp that comes with the S58 inline 6 twin turbo. Has crazy power and with a few mods and a tune people are seeing 700 WHP out of the platform that can be daily driven. Sounds like garbage, I will admit, the way the turbos are arranged and the exhaust is setup but love it.
Yeah but BMW is junk so there is that.
@@susanestes418 That's what all the poors say.
@susanestes418 is this the same bmw that use to make 1500hp out of a 1.5 liter turbo 4 for f1 in the early 80s, is this the same bmw that made the engine for the first 240mph super car in the early 90s, has dodge ever done that😂
No have owned one. They are junk.
@@hpickettz34 yeah, that junky one.
I got a 25’ rebel it’s quick definitely needs pipes and tune. There seems to be a weird misfire on cold start idle. The trans is definitely clunky hopefully they will have a software update for the shifting and shutter
I traded my hemi wagoneer for the hurricane and I love it. It’s a fantastic motor. TONS of power and super great power band
I have had the 2025 ram 1500 limited with the 3.0ttHO engine in it for about a month. Great engine, smooth power delivery, cant feel the transmission shift, and when you stand on it.....wow, its a rocket ship. Only complaint I have is the engine is jumpy from idle speed to about 1100 rpm. something is wrong with its throttle response at very low rpm.
Just buy a BMW why spend that much money on a unproven inline 6 from a company that has sabotaged every American brand. When around the same price range you can get a BMW with the same engine and is actually a luxury brand not a brand forced into a luxury brand it just makes no sense.
Racer X, did you say more fuel efficient? I’m reading it uses more fuel than the V8 Hemi. What’s the real truth?
Not according to the window sticker. Even the HO version is better on gas! I have not tested it real world because I would have to have both engines in the same vehicle for a period of time.
@flashnmb1 Depending on driving habits..... Stay within ECO range...
Buy a BMW B58 or S58 - I’ll take my tuned Supra all day long. Low maintenance costs and big power. B58 is a Hellcats worst nightmare… 😂
You talking about a fucking go cart vs a fuckin sedan 🤣🥹 this guy 🤡🤡
And a LS swapped turbo foxbody will drag your supra
@@dontnewyorkmyflorida 👍
Screw them bratwurst 🌭 nazis and Wong tong Kami kaze japs… BUY AMERICAN! The only 6 cylinder I’d ever own would be a Buick Grand National… talk about a badass car! Got a buddy of mine running 8s with a stock 3.8. Other than that I’m a V8 guy. Cmon now! WE’RE AMERICANS HERE! And Americans drive DOMESTIC V8s
@@explosivesgod2659 m340i and m3 are not go carts lol. chargers are just boats.
Reminds me of the 80s when buick had the turbo v6 beating every v8 lineup performance engine within gm. But the difference is theres no choice for a v8
All in all, X, you're a great politician and salesman. But will the racer in you actually buy one? I was born & raised on a V8, it's gonna be hard to change. I'm old. LOL
If he stays in their good graces then maybe he benefits.
Watch his Hornet video
How about reliability?
Well my friend I'm disappointed in what the people who have done to Dodge Challanger an Chargers and with the hemi
Recently had one as a rental for the weekend, & man it was a fun SUV. That twin turbo 6 surprisingly moves that 6k+ lbs pretty well.
The hurricane is the least satisfying engine to drive in the full size truck segment because it’s a V6 and TFL trucks proved the hurricane is the worst engine in full sized trucks when it comes to MPGs. That’s why people aren’t crazy about the hurricane.
......."because it's a V6"........ummm, sure....ok....uh huh. I've been meaning to ask you dennis...how's the weather in Beijing?
@@MrPFFlyer wtf are you talking about you troll? He clearly said that people have been kind of bashing the hurricane and I gave my opinion on it. I think the hurricane is a pretty good platform personally.
@@DudeFrontier He means that the engine is not a v6 or v anything.
@@GenoSalvati Jesus Christ. I understand it’s an inline 6 and technically not a “V”. The internet grammar police and keyboard warriors really make it hard to have a decent fucking conversation. Sorry not cussing at you. Just at the situation.
@@DudeFrontier lol. Welcome to the internets.