Next time you could turn on fans exterior air but no AC, I've done this a lot with my Model 3 when its in that weird temp where you need cooling but no AC.
KYLE - the Loocid air is FRADULUENT . they are using a 145kwh battery to get 500 miles Range. the TESLA uses just a 100 kwh battery to get 400+ miles and the Tesla PLAID is Hundreds of pounds LIGHTER than the Loocid. as per usual the Porsche TAYCAN is a Crappy car. cant even sell over 10,000......lol
Loocid motors LIED , and it matters. they Advertise 112 kwh when ACTUALLY the battery in the GT is 145kwh as Measured. if YOU can do simple MATH, you can verify this.
Y’all I watched this like it was an EV Drama movie. The suspense. Lol. Honestly seeing Kyle turn into the EA Station and then seeing the line of cars was brutal lol
Love this! Why the CCS guys went for Green River over Grand Juction is a mystery to me though.. 🤷♂️ 7 mins extra detour and some top charging for the Taycan, to make the 205 mi stretch from GJ to Salina safely, would have been so worth it. Gambling should be done in Vegas. 🙂
Wow, EA is such a freaking joke! I found myself getting angry while Ryan and Kyle were at Green River! It's absurd that EA has gone months without doing anything to repair or replace these units, really shows the don't give a F about their customers... 😞
I just saw a report on Twitter that EA has stopped even answering the phones now when you call. Derated chargers all over the place. I don't know if that is true, but things are going south fast for EA.
If you think about it, this mirrors various aspects of the attitude shown by "others" across the industry, compared to the Tesla philosophy. Too much "we know best, make it fit, that'll do" without a single structured plan. . Imagine if there had been a "What if they DO make it" meeting/ conference between "The big five" in say 2012? It they'd said "Just in case, let's unify a charging standard, including connector, charge location on vehicles" (if you design an EV, charge either rear left or front right) and other protocols. . Then, gone to CharIN and said "this is what WE want. Make it work". . Would have cost very little, but with hindsight, the environment would be very different now.
I mean... what do you expect? It's likely been known for months now behind the scenes that all of the auto companies would be adopting NACS... potentially since Musk went to the Whitehouse in January; potentially even before then. This switch is going to kill a huge chunk of EA's demand, which wasn't very big to begin with. EA has already been struggling as a result of building a huge and expensive infrastructure across the entire country to support, what, 10% of the long range EVs in the country? That would generate woefully insufficient revenue necessary to pay to support their network. This is all because Tesla decided to use a proprietary plug and refused to provide a CCS adapter to their owners to allow them to use CCS networks; starving those networks of revenue for years now. EA's first station opened in early 2018. Meanwhile, Tesla's been raking in billions of dollars in subsidies on the sale of their cars and on each of their factories through tax abatements and other assistance. I wouldn't be surprised if they've been buying up and hoarding critical hardware / chips to build their chargers, just like they've been hoarding cells and raw materials to build their cars. It's well known that EA's been struggling to get parts to fix and upgrade their chargers, and other OEMs have been struggling to get cells to build more cars... Lack of cars hurts EA due to lack of customers. It's all linked together, and it all gave Tesla an extremely lopsided advantage. You can see the huge difference in Europe, where Tesla has been using the CCS plug since 2019, which meant that their cars could charge at other networks, funding their operations and growth. Tesla opening their network to other brands in Europe starting in late 2021 didn't kill competing networks because they were already being heavily utilized and expanded, and all the cars and chargers were still using CCS. That's a vastly different situation than in the US where the government allowed Tesla to get away with murder with their proprietary plug and lack of an adapter, which only had one possible result; If Tesla ever opened their network to other brands (or now we know that other brands will adopt their plug) it will create a tremendous beatdown on competing charging networks. EA's certainly not a perfect company, but this whole situation isn't only EA"s fault... it's the US government's fault for allowing Tesla's anti-competitive practices to go on like this for so long. All for what, so Tesla could get an $800 billion stock valuation? FFS....
This is a great example of real life CCS world. So, so many times I’ve rolled into an EA with same story. IMHO, EA should deserves a class action suit for all the emotional distress they have caused to all impacted EV users.
It looks like a completely US made problem unfortunately. Its not an issue with charging standards, as CCS can handle charging at over 600 volts easily, whereas the Superchargers would have limited the Lucid as stated in the video (why they needed to queue at the EA charger for the same 50KW speed as the Supercharger did seem weird) . The only true difference between the standards is which network provider cares for their customers and which ones just wanted grant money and then forget about anything else. In Europe, there is no Tesla standard charging connector. Every EV uses the same Type 2 CCS combo connector (apart from a few Asian manufacturers that use Chademo). This has opened up the competition for network providers to every EV and not limit themselves to only a part of the customers. Even the Supercharger network is opening up to other customers without the need for them to use any adapter or for Tesla to install adapters in their charging stalls. Most providers actively want to keep their networks up and running and there is massive competition between each providers to open up new charging parks (it has gone as far that Tesla isnt even the biggest provider any more).
You all consistently deliver top shelf content across multiple channels and then have these feature length epics that are just a pleasure to watch. Amazing work. Can’t wait for parts 2/3. Also, props to Coleton for 1) tasking the Tesla down to 1% in the mountains. No amount of AC would stop the fountain of sweat that would produce in me and 2) being so chill about the insanity that is Tesla phantom braking at 80mph. That shit has to be fixed. It’s terrifying to other cars and vomit inducing to passengers.
That's a shame that the one charger that could create massive havoc on that route is the one to have issues. Great content though, can't wait for the next two parts!
@@Hize01 Seems Kyle is under serious scrutiny from some sheriff who came across these videos and the channel is being watched by the sheriff on a daily basis. Don't expect parts 2 or 3 to be posted as they probably talk and show all drivers going over the speed limit (five miles over or more). If they do show up, expect speedometers to be pixelated, unlike part one. Kyle probably has to stay silent on this topic legally or he would have replied by now.
I'd like to see the Ioniq 6 18 inch wheeled version in this race just to see how it would do although it would get stuck in line waiting for the EV charger. There must be a better way to optimize charging stops that incorporate the number of chargers, expected demand based on time of day, etc. Of course this is also why all EVs in North America are moving to NACs.
Did a 2300 miles road trip from SF Bay Area to Utah during the July 4th weekend in my Air GT. Green river was the only charge station that I had to wait in the line. It's absolutely the bottle neck in that area.
50:50 Lol, turning off the DRLs saves almost no energy. DRLs use under 20 watts. It would save more energy not playing any music during the drive, which I'm sure nearly all the guys were playing music/podcasts in between video segments.
800 miles is a good distance, just under the length of the U.K.. Great race Kyle. So you now know to avoid Green River on any CCS road trips. A full charge for the Taycan & Lucid at Glenwood Springs/Rifle and then a top-up at Grand Junction for the Taycan, would have got the Taycan to Salina, and to Beaver for the Lucid.
@@rogerstarkey5390there isn’t any hindsight in it. They said at the beginning even before they left that Green River was very bad; two chargers down, and the other two limited. They gambled that there wouldn’t be anyone charging at Green River, and it backfired. Even if GR were empty, they would have still got very slow charging speed - that stop was never going to work.
I “met” Kyle very briefly at the Washington UT EA DCFC, while he was running this race. I waved him away from the stall I had attempted to use, the one that said on its screen “Charger Not Available”. I was such a dork. I said, “Hey, you’re that guy on youtube!” Kyle introduced himself to me then explained that he was “in a race”. I suggested for him to use the slow-charging, surging stall I had been using, and had just vacated.
Another great video. Your videos along with checking comments on plug Share is why I went with my Model 3. Iv taken mine on a short trip(215 one way) already and looking to do more. Im even wanting to take a trip out to Tail of The Dragon.
I love my Lucid but EA lets the car down again, ugh! I’ll put up with it because otherwise the Lucid is soooo good, but the fact that EA doesn’t even appear to be trying to improve (do they just not know how?) is really aggravating. The site near me has been garbage for over a year, with only a single 150kw unit performing reliably, with the other two 350kw either not working or being shockingly slow. Thanks for doing this test, super curious to see what happens in Part 2 and 3!
The fact that EA was only created because Volkswagen was ordered to do it by a court as a punishment for Dieselgate and only exists now because of government subsidies and incentives really informs a lot about how they act as a company and the fact that they seem to have no interest in serving their customers or improving their product.
I love your passion! I have been driving my electric car for over 4 years but I haven't had the patience to get real numbers. I try to drive as fast as I can to reach the next destination. Sometimes it is very slow to reach the next destination.
I'm enjoying the playlist that's in the Tesla. Progressive house / trance, little bit of r&b / hip-hop, and that's just for the Tesla. You guys need to make a three-part Spotify playlist of what you listened to during this race.
Going through Europe in my M3 on superchargers, it has been pee breaks deciding when to charge and not the batteries. 😂 in the summer there is so much road work and vacation traffic that after 3 hours, I need a break no matter the SoC.
Wow Tesla Model S is just such a great car when you take all things into account. The ownership experience of the Model S compared to the Lucid and Taycan are just another level at the moment.
@@TecnamTwin The others are "nicer" in some respects, but not in others. You have to look at the complete experience. A nice cabin to sit in while you wait for a charger isn't exactly compensation.
Tesla has a supercharger voting page that you can vote for and submit locations. I've submitted the Salina Love's location in the hopes that the Green River mess can be alleviated with more NACS stations on that stretch.
This is such a shame, I have had two experiences with Green River now. Back in March we were coming back from California to Colorado via I-70 in my ID4. FORTUNATELY I checked plugshare before heading out and I saw that Green River was completely down, nothing was working at all. So the only option was to charge to 100% in Salina and go about 50-60 MPH to Grand Junction. Oh and it was also 30 degrees or so that day so minimal cabin heat as well. Made it to GJ with 6%. Second experience with Green River was for five days around the 4th of July. Stayed at the motel right next to the charger and charged there daily as we toured all of national parks in the area. Every single day was the same thing, one 150 unit working, one 350 unit working, and the Chademo/150 unit was limited to 100 Amps. There was no action at all that whole time from EA to fix anything that was down, now it appears that the 150 unit that was working for us is also down. Inexcusable for such an absolutely critical site. Also its a shame because Green River is such a neat town to stop at, the coffee shop, the chow hound, and the motel are all great. Not to mention the access to so many national parks. For what its worth, I also own a Model Y and we take that when it is apparent that EA won't cut it, but the ID4 is so much nicer to drive than the Tesla. Man I hope VW gets their heads out of their a$ses and jumps on the NACS band wagon. An ID Buzz is off of my shopping list until they do.
Why didn’t you like the screen tilted towards the driver in the Model S? Lol. I love that feature in the refresh. Reminds me of how the original Model S dash was set up with a slight tilt towards the driver.
It's been like this for several years, I don't see it happening, sadly. They will be the Taco Bell of charging. Ubiquitous, but you'll regret stopping there.
This is such a fun and informative video. Makes me want to hit the road with my Model 3 RWD. Already did a Northern New Jersey to Asheville NC road trip with my car. So much fun.
Best format What would an "Actual" trip be like? Leave after breakfast? Drive through to lunch with a (20 minute?) comfort break en-route? Repeat in the afternoon? . I would suggest to set those parameters. Run the route. See if the vehicle/ charge system can complete the task. . Publish that "This vehicle is road trip certified" (for normal people) . Rely on vehicle recommendations. No gaming the system using driver knowledge outside the sphere of a "normal" owner. . The whole point is surely to publicise that "EVs work in "normal" circumstances"....?
1:39:00 If you had known there would be a 3-5 car wait at EA Green River, then yeah the Lucid probably could have made it from Grand Junction to Salina. It would have needed a long charging session but you'd probably still be in the race along with Colton in the Model S. Sounds like a good plan though to restart the race in Green River. Just please give us the time spent waiting at Green River so we can know how much of a lead the Model S would've had if you kept the original race as planned.
That's the whole point. "If you'd known" . The system needed should be. "Lunch/ comfort break, etc, at ..... Sufficient charge, without compromise, or "negotiating" with those ahead in the queue" No "ifs and buts".
Just thought I'd post something interesting. It's exactly 1:00pm MDT, Fri Jul 21, and my Tesla app says there's only 1 Supercharger station available at Green River. So maybe not always a slam dunk for the Tesla there. But the EA station at Green River has been messed up for a long time now. And it's a vital charging station in the middle of nowhere. PAY ATTENTION EA!
The lucid has sold me on the range. I have to do regular trips from Dallas to Austin, TX and I should be able to make it down there and back without having to use any of the dcfc's and ONLY pay for home charging, even on the new Pure.
I don't think you guys should have reset and left Green River together, it would have been much more interesting to see how much quicker a Tesla is cross country in a real world scenario (ie not cannonball). That's valuable info for buyers who are not aware of this charging network difference (most ppl I speak to). After all, you're going to do a race back form Vegas in part 3 with presumably these issues not being a factor to show what the cars can do in a perfect world vs this reality. (on a side note, glad you didn't limit the Tesla to CCS because that would have been beyond stupid and give a false impression of the vehicle).
OutofSpec channels have praised the Tesla supercharger infrastructure tremendously for the last two years. He has a video titled CCS is dead. His dad Out of Spec Dave has a Model 3 and Model Y just based on road tripping. These videos are more about the car and having fun driving them.
I'm sure they'll give a time for the Tesla with the EA delay subtracted, it's pretty much out of the question that it technically wins the race to Vegas at this point.
If I took a real world road trip, this is how I'd likely do it. 1) drive 3.5-4hrs. charge enough to use the bathroom, get snacks, etc. 2) drive 2 hrs and stop to sit down and eat. Charge as much as the car will charge while doing so (likely more than 80%.) Repeat. That's how I drove with gas cars. Long stretch followed by shorter stretch and eat. After 6hrs, I need a longer break anyway. I've gone 24 hrs without stopping to sleep one time in my life. But it included longer stops every 6 hrs or so with a short stop after about 4.
The problem with this strategy on a lot of routes in the US right now is just that you are at the whim of charger placement along the highway. They aren't always spaced in such a way that lets you do what you want, timing-wise.
Great video, Wow.. EA for the FAIL.. too bad Both of those cars are amazing let down by a crappy charging experience. When I saw the Blue Taycan... I thought.. I wonder if that's Anna's car.. but the wheels were different. Then he confirmed it. Wonder what going on with that story.. we have not seen her or the car since she bought it. About to watch Part 2 now..
I'm amazed Kyle didn't charge in Grand Junction, it was not sounding good the whole way there and it bit him. Could easily have made it to Salina with a stop there that wouldn't have cost him that much.
I think the quickest for the Lucid would have been a full charge on the fast charger at Glenwood Springs, then go all the way, 370 miles, to Beaver without stopping.
Exactly. They knew from the beginning it was garbage and at best they were thinking 150kw. It's just making for clicks. Like why even plan on going there. They should have made a big dead about skipping that garbage station.
@@patrickmay8261 I agree partially about skipping Green River but I do want to clarify a few things. All the ABB and Signet "150 kW" units can actually output up to 175 kW for 800-volt EVs. So, best case scenario, Kyle would have gotten a stable 175 kW peak in the Lucid on the ABB Terras in Green River (no Signet surge). Kyle stated the Lucid's charging curve tapers significantly by around 50%. At 80% he'd barely get ~75 kW. That would make a full charge in Grand Junction take awhile. I'm sure he would have done a near full charge if he had known there would be 2 EVs waiting ahead of him just to plug-in in Green River. But Kyle had no way of knowing that. He was also probably banking on the EA app being more pessimistic since the app has a lot of inconsistencies. The previous positive Rate Your Charge check-in in Green River probably also skewed Kyle to giving EA Green River a chance. He also wanted to use the Lucid's large initial range to his advantage, having a first stop in Grand Junction wouldn't have allowed him to do that. So he wanted to give the car the best advantage and just got unlucky there was a huge line in Green River. I don't think he purely stopped there "for clicks".
@@ArtiePenguin1 Wouldn't need a full charge, ~70% would get him there with a little buffer in a grand touring, it's only 208 mi (although you do need to top Emigrant pass).
In Saskatchewan it is too cold for salt, so we sand the roads. It means the paint doesn’t last very long. I have a hard time understanding how FSD will work in regions with subpar road conditions. Basis autopilot struggles.
1:07:15 That's almost the charging time I can see in my Kia EV6 as long as the chargers are performing as they should and also if my battery doesn't overheat. Other than the E-GMP platform's tendency to overheat the battery pack by not prioritizing battery cooling over cabin cooling while charging, it really is an awesome bargain to have a $50k EV with 800-volt architecture. 1:08:15 Nice that the Taycan shows range based on road distance and not just a stupid simple range circle like most cars, ahem Hyundai Motor Group, show. That's a lot more useful, especially in mountainous areas. Kyle, I agree about Electrify America in Green River. It needs to be totally ripped up and replaced with new next-gen SKSignet or BTC Power units. No more old ABB Terra junk that can't perform at its peak. There are many of those installs in New Mexico and the whole Southwest US, but it appears Green River is the least reliable of all ABB Terra installs.
Some of the comments here are way over the top on "class action!". Sure, there are some problem stations (no one says anything about the ones that were flawless). They got greedy and rolled the dice on the Green River station (knowing it had issues) by skipping Grand Junction because they were in a race. Oops. I drive that route a lot and always have to be cautious with the GR station. Last time I had to skip it completely, which definitely takes some planning in an EV that isn't one of the 3 longest range like those. Someone needs to build a 2nd CCS station there. And the Supercharger station won't work for CCS cars next year without an upgrade because it's all V2's. What we need is more redundancy.
More redundancy I agree. Let's hope the state of Utah prioritizes their initial NEVI charger rollout on I-70. That corridor sure needs it. Unfortunately, not a single NEVI-funded site has gone live in the US and we're approaching the one-year mark from when state proposals were due. Federal funding moves so slowly :(
People underestimate the amount of interior space, especially in the rear seats and cargo space - the Lucid is a great drive and also a really nice family car!
Kyle new that location had problems he is not a new ev driver. And also knows that green river is the only one that they could use. Stop the ea bashing it does zero to helping
Yes that is kind of weird. Here in nordics all chargers just work. I think Kyle mentioned in some video that US CCS is somehow much worse than EU version, which seems to be the case in practise also.
@@mho0 No, the CCS standard really isn't the issue. The main issue is that there aren't enough hardware suppliers to build DC fast chargers here in the US. Until the last few years, nearly all of the high power equipment installed was junk. In Europe, you have access to far better hardware and hardware suppliers. Factories are also located nearby so replacement parts arrive quickly. We really have had none of that in the US until very recently.
Such a pity about the green river coffee stop. Imagine if those chargers always had been as reliable as a supercharger, it would be a n iconic, legendary charger stop
@@abraxastulammo9940 They should pester EA to upgrade their chargers, but I highly doubt they would. You should see their limited business hours. They're only open 4 out of 7 days a week. They are clearly a small business that doesn't have the resources to increase their staffing, so they wouldn't have extra money to throw around and buy a DCFC.
I wonder why Kyle didn’t charge at the stop before green river, charge a bit more and then skip green river, the distance is only 210 miles, the lucid should have easily done that. The Green river charger is always broken and super busy, seemed like a bad strategy.
He said earlier in the video that he believes Lucid's advantage is going as far as he can before stopping so we kind of gambled on a furthest station while he knew it would be bad ironically... . Which turned out to be the worst decision unfortunately.
Like what @oulck said, also, that would have required a significantly long charge for the Lucid to make it 210 miles going fast highway speeds. Kyle used about 90% of the Lucid's battery to go 390 miles from Loveland to Green River. That's also with a net elevation loss. He would have needed to charge to at least 60% or 70% in Grand Junction to make it to Salina. The Lucid's charging curve is significantly lower beyond 50%. Given the current circumstance of there being 2+ EVs waiting ahead of Kyle to charge in Green River, it would have been better for him to do a long charge in Grand Junction. But he had no way of knowing there would be such a long queue until he got to Green River.
@@ArtiePenguin1 he's been at that station a bunch of times and it's always partially working plus the app was telling him there was problems at the station. I would have tried everything to skip that station even if it was charging the taycan to 100% in the previous station.
@@Cornelius87 The Taycan would have barely been able to make it from Grand Junction all the way to Salina. It's 210 miles with fast speeds and an elevation gain west of Green River. It would have been quite tough. In the Lucid, however, it would have been quite doable. I think Kyle would have charged the Lucid in Grand Junction had he known about the long queue (2+ cars) at Green River. However, there was no way for him to know without someone visiting there first.
This is why 800v cars need to also change to the Tesla network. Can still use CCS with an adapter but you’d at least have access to a reliable 50kw instead of waiting >1 hour for a crippled CCS charger pushing
It'll be interesting to see this race again in a couple of years when EVs charge more frequently at Tesla super chargers so the he queue would beore or less the same no matter where you charge. Maybe by then CCS will be more reliable or Tesla will be supporting 1000v and Lucid can take advantage of it as well.
We've left chapters in this video should you want to skip the introduction to the cars, drivers, and race procedures. Enjoy part 1 of 3!
Next time you could turn on fans exterior air but no AC, I've done this a lot with my Model 3 when its in that weird temp where you need cooling but no AC.
KYLE is a IMFAMOUS Fake Tuber, he is UNRELIABLE.
KYLE - the Loocid air is FRADULUENT .
they are using a 145kwh battery to get 500 miles Range.
the TESLA uses just a 100 kwh battery to get 400+ miles and the Tesla PLAID is Hundreds of pounds LIGHTER than the Loocid.
as per usual the Porsche TAYCAN is a Crappy car. cant even sell over 10,000......lol
Loocid motors LIED , and it matters.
they Advertise 112 kwh when ACTUALLY the battery in the GT is 145kwh as Measured.
if YOU can do simple MATH, you can verify this.
Where's part 2?
Y’all I watched this like it was an EV Drama movie. The suspense. Lol. Honestly seeing Kyle turn into the EA Station and then seeing the line of cars was brutal lol
It says everything about EA when the “station” is 2 units in a back alley that’s not paved, next to some rundown looking store, next to a dumpster.
Love this! Why the CCS guys went for Green River over Grand Juction is a mystery to me though.. 🤷♂️ 7 mins extra detour and some top charging for the Taycan, to make the 205 mi stretch from GJ to Salina safely, would have been so worth it. Gambling should be done in Vegas. 🙂
Patiently waiting part 2! C'mon man. I love these "Race to Vegas" videos.
Wow, EA is such a freaking joke! I found myself getting angry while Ryan and Kyle were at Green River! It's absurd that EA has gone months without doing anything to repair or replace these units, really shows the don't give a F about their customers... 😞
its because CCCP is a Crappy standard.
they ALL should have used NACS in 2012.......but no one listened to ELON.
I just saw a report on Twitter that EA has stopped even answering the phones now when you call. Derated chargers all over the place. I don't know if that is true, but things are going south fast for EA.
If you think about it, this mirrors various aspects of the attitude shown by "others" across the industry, compared to the Tesla philosophy.
Too much "we know best, make it fit, that'll do" without a single structured plan.
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Imagine if there had been a "What if they DO make it" meeting/ conference between "The big five" in say 2012?
It they'd said
"Just in case, let's unify a charging standard, including connector, charge location on vehicles" (if you design an EV, charge either rear left or front right) and other protocols.
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Then, gone to CharIN and said "this is what WE want. Make it work".
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Would have cost very little, but with hindsight, the environment would be very different now.
EA is single handedly moving all of the US to the NACS standard. These cars are too good to be let down by this complete incompetence.
I mean... what do you expect? It's likely been known for months now behind the scenes that all of the auto companies would be adopting NACS... potentially since Musk went to the Whitehouse in January; potentially even before then. This switch is going to kill a huge chunk of EA's demand, which wasn't very big to begin with. EA has already been struggling as a result of building a huge and expensive infrastructure across the entire country to support, what, 10% of the long range EVs in the country? That would generate woefully insufficient revenue necessary to pay to support their network. This is all because Tesla decided to use a proprietary plug and refused to provide a CCS adapter to their owners to allow them to use CCS networks; starving those networks of revenue for years now. EA's first station opened in early 2018.
Meanwhile, Tesla's been raking in billions of dollars in subsidies on the sale of their cars and on each of their factories through tax abatements and other assistance. I wouldn't be surprised if they've been buying up and hoarding critical hardware / chips to build their chargers, just like they've been hoarding cells and raw materials to build their cars. It's well known that EA's been struggling to get parts to fix and upgrade their chargers, and other OEMs have been struggling to get cells to build more cars... Lack of cars hurts EA due to lack of customers. It's all linked together, and it all gave Tesla an extremely lopsided advantage.
You can see the huge difference in Europe, where Tesla has been using the CCS plug since 2019, which meant that their cars could charge at other networks, funding their operations and growth. Tesla opening their network to other brands in Europe starting in late 2021 didn't kill competing networks because they were already being heavily utilized and expanded, and all the cars and chargers were still using CCS. That's a vastly different situation than in the US where the government allowed Tesla to get away with murder with their proprietary plug and lack of an adapter, which only had one possible result; If Tesla ever opened their network to other brands (or now we know that other brands will adopt their plug) it will create a tremendous beatdown on competing charging networks.
EA's certainly not a perfect company, but this whole situation isn't only EA"s fault... it's the US government's fault for allowing Tesla's anti-competitive practices to go on like this for so long. All for what, so Tesla could get an $800 billion stock valuation? FFS....
So insanely jealous! I love road tripping my EV. Glad I get to ride along with you all!!
This is a great example of real life CCS world. So, so many times I’ve rolled into an EA with same story. IMHO, EA should deserves a class action suit for all the emotional distress they have caused to all impacted EV users.
car manufactures for advertising that EA is great and that it works
@@Pimptobizmal well..I would too if I had to wait for 20225 to provide native NACS.
the choice to NOT buy an EV FROM TESLA… is its own punishment!
the MAIN problem is with the OUTDATED cccp Charging standard.
NACS was already Better in 2012.
It looks like a completely US made problem unfortunately. Its not an issue with charging standards, as CCS can handle charging at over 600 volts easily, whereas the Superchargers would have limited the Lucid as stated in the video (why they needed to queue at the EA charger for the same 50KW speed as the Supercharger did seem weird) . The only true difference between the standards is which network provider cares for their customers and which ones just wanted grant money and then forget about anything else.
In Europe, there is no Tesla standard charging connector. Every EV uses the same Type 2 CCS combo connector (apart from a few Asian manufacturers that use Chademo). This has opened up the competition for network providers to every EV and not limit themselves to only a part of the customers. Even the Supercharger network is opening up to other customers without the need for them to use any adapter or for Tesla to install adapters in their charging stalls. Most providers actively want to keep their networks up and running and there is massive competition between each providers to open up new charging parks (it has gone as far that Tesla isnt even the biggest provider any more).
You all consistently deliver top shelf content across multiple channels and then have these feature length epics that are just a pleasure to watch.
Amazing work. Can’t wait for parts 2/3.
Also, props to Coleton for 1) tasking the Tesla down to 1% in the mountains. No amount of AC would stop the fountain of sweat that would produce in me and 2) being so chill about the insanity that is Tesla phantom braking at 80mph. That shit has to be fixed. It’s terrifying to other cars and vomit inducing to passengers.
That's a shame that the one charger that could create massive havoc on that route is the one to have issues. Great content though, can't wait for the next two parts!
Patiently waiting for part 2 and 3… PATIENTLY.
Whre is part 2?
@@Hize01 Seems Kyle is under serious scrutiny from some sheriff who came across these videos and the channel is being watched by the sheriff on a daily basis. Don't expect parts 2 or 3 to be posted as they probably talk and show all drivers going over the speed limit (five miles over or more). If they do show up, expect speedometers to be pixelated, unlike part one. Kyle probably has to stay silent on this topic legally or he would have replied by now.
@@afr1952how'd you hear this?
It feels like if that were true this video would have been taken down
@@afr1952 The sheriff is a party pooper. The sheriff neeeds to do his job and chase down real bad guys.
I'd like to see the Ioniq 6 18 inch wheeled version in this race just to see how it would do although it would get stuck in line waiting for the EV charger. There must be a better way to optimize charging stops that incorporate the number of chargers, expected demand based on time of day, etc. Of course this is also why all EVs in North America are moving to NACs.
Did a 2300 miles road trip from SF Bay Area to Utah during the July 4th weekend in my Air GT. Green river was the only charge station that I had to wait in the line. It's absolutely the bottle neck in that area.
Epic race. Can't wait for parts 2 & 3!
oh man I love this kind of videos! Can't wait to see Part 2 and Part3
These are my favorite videos you guys put out
50:50 Lol, turning off the DRLs saves almost no energy. DRLs use under 20 watts. It would save more energy not playing any music during the drive, which I'm sure nearly all the guys were playing music/podcasts in between video segments.
This is an incredible series you've set up for us to watch. Really enjoying it so far. Thanks guys!!!
fantastic series... Can't wait to see the next part!
800 miles is a good distance, just under the length of the U.K.. Great race Kyle. So you now know to avoid Green River on any CCS road trips. A full charge for the Taycan & Lucid at Glenwood Springs/Rifle and then a top-up at Grand Junction for the Taycan, would have got the Taycan to Salina, and to Beaver for the Lucid.
"Benefit of hindsight" doesn't count.
Simple/ reliable is the metric.
@@rogerstarkey5390there isn’t any hindsight in it. They said at the beginning even before they left that Green River was very bad; two chargers down, and the other two limited. They gambled that there wouldn’t be anyone charging at Green River, and it backfired. Even if GR were empty, they would have still got very slow charging speed - that stop was never going to work.
I “met” Kyle very briefly at the Washington UT EA DCFC, while he was running this race. I waved him away from the stall I had attempted to use, the one that said on its screen “Charger Not Available”. I was such a dork. I said, “Hey, you’re that guy on youtube!” Kyle introduced himself to me then explained that he was “in a race”. I suggested for him to use the slow-charging, surging stall I had been using, and had just vacated.
I have been so excited for the second season of “Vegas eVacation”. My favorite show on RUclips.
YES!! Three parts, and the first one is 1:40!! Love it!
34:50
The Lucid seems to be a smart car. The recommendation to charge in Grand Junction was probably the victory path. :)
LOOCID motors is FRADULENT .
they use a 140kwh battery to get 500 miles.
TESLA model 3 RWD is MORE Efficient 132 mpg.
Don’t be a mindless FUD spreader. Lucid is 140 MPGe. Air is 5200lb vs Model-3 3600lb. Rethink your efficiency math.
@@ChinoBingo - Peter committed Securities FRAUD to Investors on TV
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Mark....
Top tip
When "you" (Tesla) are winning..... Try not to be a dick.
(I know it's difficult in your case)
@@rogerstarkey5390 - I dont need to, I'm NOT a RUclipsr , dont have to worry about Offending my Subscribers........lol
Another great video. Your videos along with checking comments on plug Share is why I went with my Model 3. Iv taken mine on a short trip(215 one way) already and looking to do more. Im even wanting to take a trip out to Tail of The Dragon.
Very fun 1st video, can’t wait to see the rest!
I’m rooting for the Taycan.
TAYCAN is a piss poor Design and INEFFICIENT .
and has LOW sales to prove it.
DeMuro REGRETS buying the TAYCAN.
Great video! You guys are amazing.
Very interesting results so far.
Charging infrastructure still such a huge component of choosing a vehicle.
Uhul ! Going to grab some popcorn! This was the video that made me know your channel, super glad we have a new episode hahahaha.
I love my Lucid but EA lets the car down again, ugh! I’ll put up with it because otherwise the Lucid is soooo good, but the fact that EA doesn’t even appear to be trying to improve (do they just not know how?) is really aggravating. The site near me has been garbage for over a year, with only a single 150kw unit performing reliably, with the other two 350kw either not working or being shockingly slow. Thanks for doing this test, super curious to see what happens in Part 2 and 3!
With all the free charging deals for x years, EA is reluctant to provide any energy at all. 😂
The fact that EA was only created because Volkswagen was ordered to do it by a court as a punishment for Dieselgate and only exists now because of government subsidies and incentives really informs a lot about how they act as a company and the fact that they seem to have no interest in serving their customers or improving their product.
@@at0mly EA is kind of independent, that is why.
I'm in soooo much suspense waiting for the next parts to drop. LOL
Great video man, amazing to get the big three together, very nice job 👍🏼
I only watch to see non tesla chargers to fail, have a feeling as I watch that I won’t be disappointed.
Cruel
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But fair
(And correct)
It is sad though. People paid so much for these cars because they were mislead by the media to think Tesla's suck.
I love your passion! I have been driving my electric car for over 4 years but I haven't had the patience to get real numbers. I try to drive as fast as I can to reach the next destination. Sometimes it is very slow to reach the next destination.
It's exciting what you guy's do , love it
Pretty impressed with the Tycan efficiency compared to the model S toward the end.....u was getting range anxiety for Colton, lol
Race to Vegas was the thing that made me hooked to your channel 😅
Kyle-We need part 2-Two weeks is too long
seriously i've been checking back like every day.
What happened to part 2 and part 3?
I'm enjoying the playlist that's in the Tesla. Progressive house / trance, little bit of r&b / hip-hop, and that's just for the Tesla. You guys need to make a three-part Spotify playlist of what you listened to during this race.
This seemed a bit quirky but it legit. Nice, keep it up and enjoy!
I just bought an ID4 and they were nice enough to give me 3 years of free headaches at EA for free 😅
At least you still have a sense of humour!! 👋👋👍
i really like the looks of that car. i think it's beautiful
Going through Europe in my M3 on superchargers, it has been pee breaks deciding when to charge and not the batteries. 😂 in the summer there is so much road work and vacation traffic that after 3 hours, I need a break no matter the SoC.
Robert was right.
"miles per bladder" is the perfect charge indicator.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Indeed. 🤣
if you are in a hurry and a pro you charge at very low
Part 2? Part 2? Has anyone seen Part 2? I can't find it anywhere. Has it been blocked by RUclips?
TIC..TAC...When are you releasing part 2?
Wow Tesla Model S is just such a great car when you take all things into account. The ownership experience of the Model S compared to the Lucid and Taycan are just another level at the moment.
Tesla's are just so easy to live with. The others are "nicer" but frustrating. NACS is going to make owning all EVs better.
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The others are "nicer" in some respects, but not in others. You have to look at the complete experience.
A nice cabin to sit in while you wait for a charger isn't exactly compensation.
@@rogerstarkey5390 You don't even get that nice big screen like the Tesla to at least enjoy some entertainment.
@@BroncoPH
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@@TecnamTwin Nicer? You don't even get Netflix or youtube while waiting for one hour to charge! Tesla has that yet they have a really good network!
Kyle what ever car you drive I know you will win 🏆 👌
When do we get part 2?!
This is fantastic video even with the issues. I loved it. 🎉
Tesla has a supercharger voting page that you can vote for and submit locations. I've submitted the Salina Love's location in the hopes that the Green River mess can be alleviated with more NACS stations on that stretch.
i voted for the walmart parking lot that I work for in florida
This was fun to watch for the 2nd time
This is such a shame, I have had two experiences with Green River now. Back in March we were coming back from California to Colorado via I-70 in my ID4. FORTUNATELY I checked plugshare before heading out and I saw that Green River was completely down, nothing was working at all. So the only option was to charge to 100% in Salina and go about 50-60 MPH to Grand Junction. Oh and it was also 30 degrees or so that day so minimal cabin heat as well. Made it to GJ with 6%.
Second experience with Green River was for five days around the 4th of July. Stayed at the motel right next to the charger and charged there daily as we toured all of national parks in the area. Every single day was the same thing, one 150 unit working, one 350 unit working, and the Chademo/150 unit was limited to 100 Amps. There was no action at all that whole time from EA to fix anything that was down, now it appears that the 150 unit that was working for us is also down. Inexcusable for such an absolutely critical site. Also its a shame because Green River is such a neat town to stop at, the coffee shop, the chow hound, and the motel are all great. Not to mention the access to so many national parks.
For what its worth, I also own a Model Y and we take that when it is apparent that EA won't cut it, but the ID4 is so much nicer to drive than the Tesla. Man I hope VW gets their heads out of their a$ses and jumps on the NACS band wagon. An ID Buzz is off of my shopping list until they do.
I can imagine hundreds of potential EV buyers rethinking their decision. Well , maybe not Tesla orders.
Why didn’t you like the screen tilted towards the driver in the Model S? Lol. I love that feature in the refresh. Reminds me of how the original Model S dash was set up with a slight tilt towards the driver.
i like the long videos! Damn EA really needs to step their game up.
It's been like this for several years, I don't see it happening, sadly. They will be the Taco Bell of charging. Ubiquitous, but you'll regret stopping there.
Some business should just put up a Hypercharger, it is all about the free markets, right?
Where's part 2?? Eagerly awaiting the next parts of this video series.
This is such a fun and informative video. Makes me want to hit the road with my Model 3 RWD. Already did a Northern New Jersey to Asheville NC road trip with my car. So much fun.
Are part 2 and 3 out yet?
This is awesome content, waiting for part 2❤
Parts 2 and 3????
Best format
What would an "Actual" trip be like?
Leave after breakfast?
Drive through to lunch with a (20 minute?) comfort break en-route?
Repeat in the afternoon?
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I would suggest to set those parameters.
Run the route.
See if the vehicle/ charge system can complete the task.
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Publish that
"This vehicle is road trip certified" (for normal people)
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Rely on vehicle recommendations.
No gaming the system using driver knowledge outside the sphere of a "normal" owner.
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The whole point is surely to publicise that "EVs work in "normal" circumstances"....?
1:39:00 If you had known there would be a 3-5 car wait at EA Green River, then yeah the Lucid probably could have made it from Grand Junction to Salina. It would have needed a long charging session but you'd probably still be in the race along with Colton in the Model S.
Sounds like a good plan though to restart the race in Green River. Just please give us the time spent waiting at Green River so we can know how much of a lead the Model S would've had if you kept the original race as planned.
That's the whole point.
"If you'd known"
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The system needed should be.
"Lunch/ comfort break, etc, at ..... Sufficient charge, without compromise, or "negotiating" with those ahead in the queue"
No "ifs and buts".
@@rogerstarkey5390 Having a long lunch break would have defeated the whole purpose of the road trip being a "race" to Vegas.
Any time frame for the next part?( It's been 10 days ) Thank You
Ask the sheriff.
Just thought I'd post something interesting. It's exactly 1:00pm MDT, Fri Jul 21, and my Tesla app says there's only 1 Supercharger station available at Green River. So maybe not always a slam dunk for the Tesla there. But the EA station at Green River has been messed up for a long time now. And it's a vital charging station in the middle of nowhere. PAY ATTENTION EA!
The lucid has sold me on the range. I have to do regular trips from Dallas to Austin, TX and I should be able to make it down there and back without having to use any of the dcfc's and ONLY pay for home charging, even on the new Pure.
Love these races with the limited speed.
Where is part 2, these are my favorite videos!
I don't think you guys should have reset and left Green River together, it would have been much more interesting to see how much quicker a Tesla is cross country in a real world scenario (ie not cannonball). That's valuable info for buyers who are not aware of this charging network difference (most ppl I speak to).
After all, you're going to do a race back form Vegas in part 3 with presumably these issues not being a factor to show what the cars can do in a perfect world vs this reality.
(on a side note, glad you didn't limit the Tesla to CCS because that would have been beyond stupid and give a false impression of the vehicle).
OutofSpec channels have praised the Tesla supercharger infrastructure tremendously for the last two years. He has a video titled CCS is dead. His dad Out of Spec Dave has a Model 3 and Model Y just based on road tripping. These videos are more about the car and having fun driving them.
I'm sure they'll give a time for the Tesla with the EA delay subtracted, it's pretty much out of the question that it technically wins the race to Vegas at this point.
@@dnjj2006
But "fun" involves charger access and reliability when you're driving an EV.
@@dnjj2006I don't think not knowing if u'll be able to charge when u need to is "fun"
Why did you drive the Porsche Taycan in Normal mode and not in Range mode? that's what I saw in the footage during the test
This is the content I’m here for let’s gooooo!!!!
If I took a real world road trip, this is how I'd likely do it. 1) drive 3.5-4hrs. charge enough to use the bathroom, get snacks, etc. 2) drive 2 hrs and stop to sit down and eat. Charge as much as the car will charge while doing so (likely more than 80%.) Repeat. That's how I drove with gas cars. Long stretch followed by shorter stretch and eat. After 6hrs, I need a longer break anyway. I've gone 24 hrs without stopping to sleep one time in my life. But it included longer stops every 6 hrs or so with a short stop after about 4.
The problem with this strategy on a lot of routes in the US right now is just that you are at the whim of charger placement along the highway. They aren't always spaced in such a way that lets you do what you want, timing-wise.
When will the next two parts be released??
At 1:14:29 the Taycan's windshield/front glass shows a little bit of damage.
Great video, Wow.. EA for the FAIL.. too bad Both of those cars are amazing let down by a crappy charging experience.
When I saw the Blue Taycan... I thought.. I wonder if that's Anna's car.. but the wheels were different. Then he confirmed it.
Wonder what going on with that story.. we have not seen her or the car since she bought it.
About to watch Part 2 now..
I'm amazed Kyle didn't charge in Grand Junction, it was not sounding good the whole way there and it bit him. Could easily have made it to Salina with a stop there that wouldn't have cost him that much.
I think the quickest for the Lucid would have been a full charge on the fast charger at Glenwood Springs, then go all the way, 370 miles, to Beaver without stopping.
Exactly. They knew from the beginning it was garbage and at best they were thinking 150kw. It's just making for clicks. Like why even plan on going there. They should have made a big dead about skipping that garbage station.
It’s an anti Lucid set up
@@patrickmay8261 I agree partially about skipping Green River but I do want to clarify a few things. All the ABB and Signet "150 kW" units can actually output up to 175 kW for 800-volt EVs. So, best case scenario, Kyle would have gotten a stable 175 kW peak in the Lucid on the ABB Terras in Green River (no Signet surge). Kyle stated the Lucid's charging curve tapers significantly by around 50%. At 80% he'd barely get ~75 kW. That would make a full charge in Grand Junction take awhile.
I'm sure he would have done a near full charge if he had known there would be 2 EVs waiting ahead of him just to plug-in in Green River. But Kyle had no way of knowing that. He was also probably banking on the EA app being more pessimistic since the app has a lot of inconsistencies. The previous positive Rate Your Charge check-in in Green River probably also skewed Kyle to giving EA Green River a chance. He also wanted to use the Lucid's large initial range to his advantage, having a first stop in Grand Junction wouldn't have allowed him to do that.
So he wanted to give the car the best advantage and just got unlucky there was a huge line in Green River. I don't think he purely stopped there "for clicks".
@@ArtiePenguin1 Wouldn't need a full charge, ~70% would get him there with a little buffer in a grand touring, it's only 208 mi (although you do need to top Emigrant pass).
love this video！Lucid is always super fun to drive until you need EA to charge
Love this Long videos ❤️ Please keep uploading them @KyleConner
In Saskatchewan it is too cold for salt, so we sand the roads. It means the paint doesn’t last very long. I have a hard time understanding how FSD will work in regions with subpar road conditions. Basis autopilot struggles.
Still waiting for Part Two. Is everything ok over there? Hope all is well. Getting concerned now.
I’m so glad there’s going to be a new charging network coming soon that will make EA’s horrendous charging network irrelevant.
Where is part 2??
Watching this while I charge in Green River. Three chargers up while I charge by myself.
Wish the Model S had the 19" Aero wheels. Would have made it a more fair comparison efficiency wise🐍😎
Hey, ya got any more of them there race to Vegas videos? :P
1:07:15 That's almost the charging time I can see in my Kia EV6 as long as the chargers are performing as they should and also if my battery doesn't overheat. Other than the E-GMP platform's tendency to overheat the battery pack by not prioritizing battery cooling over cabin cooling while charging, it really is an awesome bargain to have a $50k EV with 800-volt architecture.
1:08:15 Nice that the Taycan shows range based on road distance and not just a stupid simple range circle like most cars, ahem Hyundai Motor Group, show. That's a lot more useful, especially in mountainous areas.
Kyle, I agree about Electrify America in Green River. It needs to be totally ripped up and replaced with new next-gen SKSignet or BTC Power units. No more old ABB Terra junk that can't perform at its peak. There are many of those installs in New Mexico and the whole Southwest US, but it appears Green River is the least reliable of all ABB Terra installs.
Some of the comments here are way over the top on "class action!". Sure, there are some problem stations (no one says anything about the ones that were flawless). They got greedy and rolled the dice on the Green River station (knowing it had issues) by skipping Grand Junction because they were in a race. Oops.
I drive that route a lot and always have to be cautious with the GR station. Last time I had to skip it completely, which definitely takes some planning in an EV that isn't one of the 3 longest range like those. Someone needs to build a 2nd CCS station there. And the Supercharger station won't work for CCS cars next year without an upgrade because it's all V2's. What we need is more redundancy.
More redundancy I agree. Let's hope the state of Utah prioritizes their initial NEVI charger rollout on I-70. That corridor sure needs it. Unfortunately, not a single NEVI-funded site has gone live in the US and we're approaching the one-year mark from when state proposals were due. Federal funding moves so slowly :(
Great job Kyle n da team, u guys rock…peace…MHK
The left lane is for passing, NOT cruising
Just watched Bjørn maxing the Plaid in Germany, perfect example.
Drivers (generally) have great lane discipline there.
@@rogerstarkey5390it’s because they are conditioned to. Getting a license in Germany is not an easy or cheap task
yea and you wont "cruise" on the left for long@@89five3five
People underestimate the amount of interior space, especially in the rear seats and cargo space - the Lucid is a great drive and also a really nice family car!
but tons of issues, thats just normal, its a new company with a new car.
It's interesting that chargers in europe are so reliable and EA is just unable to get it working
Kyle new that location had problems he is not a new ev driver. And also knows that green river is the only one that they could use. Stop the ea bashing it does zero to helping
Yes that is kind of weird. Here in nordics all chargers just work. I think Kyle mentioned in some video that US CCS is somehow much worse than EU version, which seems to be the case in practise also.
@@mho0 No, the CCS standard really isn't the issue. The main issue is that there aren't enough hardware suppliers to build DC fast chargers here in the US. Until the last few years, nearly all of the high power equipment installed was junk.
In Europe, you have access to far better hardware and hardware suppliers. Factories are also located nearby so replacement parts arrive quickly. We really have had none of that in the US until very recently.
alpitronic is one of the best if not the best manufacturer and they are starting to provide for the US now.@@ArtiePenguin1
Broken chargers and stuck in queue. Was that in Green River, Utah?
"I've got my wet rag here, if you know, you know" LOL
Such a pity about the green river coffee stop. Imagine if those chargers always had been as reliable as a supercharger, it would be a n iconic, legendary charger stop
Coffee stop should install two Alpitronic 300 kW units with 2 cables each. 😇
@@abraxastulammo9940 They should pester EA to upgrade their chargers, but I highly doubt they would. You should see their limited business hours. They're only open 4 out of 7 days a week. They are clearly a small business that doesn't have the resources to increase their staffing, so they wouldn't have extra money to throw around and buy a DCFC.
Hey Kyle: where's part 2 and 3?
I was hoping the rest of this story line would be online by now.....
As expected. No issues with Tesla. And disaster with non-Teslas.
Tesla is really saving the other car brands and EV adoption by opening up the Tesla SC to them.
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@brucec954lol!!!! Other car manufacturers are also already making a more reliable charging infrastructure too
No it isn’t as expected. See race to Vegas were kyle beats both a model 3 and model x to Vegas in his Porsche
Nice job Colton and Ryan just enjoying the ride without complaining about charging.
What’s happened to part two Kyle?
I wonder why Kyle didn’t charge at the stop before green river, charge a bit more and then skip green river, the distance is only 210 miles, the lucid should have easily done that. The Green river charger is always broken and super busy, seemed like a bad strategy.
He said earlier in the video that he believes Lucid's advantage is going as far as he can before stopping so we kind of gambled on a furthest station while he knew it would be bad ironically... . Which turned out to be the worst decision unfortunately.
Like what @oulck said, also, that would have required a significantly long charge for the Lucid to make it 210 miles going fast highway speeds. Kyle used about 90% of the Lucid's battery to go 390 miles from Loveland to Green River. That's also with a net elevation loss. He would have needed to charge to at least 60% or 70% in Grand Junction to make it to Salina. The Lucid's charging curve is significantly lower beyond 50%.
Given the current circumstance of there being 2+ EVs waiting ahead of Kyle to charge in Green River, it would have been better for him to do a long charge in Grand Junction. But he had no way of knowing there would be such a long queue until he got to Green River.
@@ArtiePenguin1 he's been at that station a bunch of times and it's always partially working plus the app was telling him there was problems at the station. I would have tried everything to skip that station even if it was charging the taycan to 100% in the previous station.
@@Cornelius87 The Taycan would have barely been able to make it from Grand Junction all the way to Salina. It's 210 miles with fast speeds and an elevation gain west of Green River. It would have been quite tough. In the Lucid, however, it would have been quite doable.
I think Kyle would have charged the Lucid in Grand Junction had he known about the long queue (2+ cars) at Green River. However, there was no way for him to know without someone visiting there first.
Nice video as always. Huge fan of the channel.
Love this content, and marveling how it will be obsolete in a little more than 5 months.
Did you allow drafting and freewheel coasting? Those two things can increase efficiency significantly but they are dangerous so you shouldn’t do them.
This is why 800v cars need to also change to the Tesla network.
Can still use CCS with an adapter but you’d at least have access to a reliable 50kw instead of waiting >1 hour for a crippled CCS charger pushing
It'll be interesting to see this race again in a couple of years when EVs charge more frequently at Tesla super chargers so the he queue would beore or less the same no matter where you charge.
Maybe by then CCS will be more reliable or Tesla will be supporting 1000v and Lucid can take advantage of it as well.
Yesssss!!! Many hours of motoring watching ahead!