@OutofSpecReviews Most/many trailers would cancel out any aero advantage on the truck itself, so a large capacity battery is “smart range" for a truck… though having both is great.
Cool results ,Kyle . Its interesting that the Lightning Platinum has a range of 260 miles , yet the Lightning Lariat has a range of 282 miles , is that just to do with tyre size ?
The person at 1:28:33 ... Their job was to say the total mileage, film in landscape and pull over somewhere safely. Failed on all counts. Jesus Lord have mercy.
@@3dentertainment301Non of them achieved as advertised, but to be far I don’t know if EPA test are conducted at 70mph. I think the Rivian was the closest at 98% of advertised. I’m curious how much the added rock sliders effected the aerodynamic efficiency.
Purely because you revealed the results upfront, I watched the entire video in gratitude. Out of spec is the holy grail for EV enthusiasts, keep up the fantastic work!
Same. I am at 130K over 6 years, and haven’t been left stranded. I also never ran out of gas in the 20 years before that. Still see lots of people walking with gas cans, even though there is a gas station on nearly every corner. The problem might be people, not products.
Let's not forget the cybertruck did it while being a 7000lb, all steel, bullet proof truck with 35" off road tires that can go 0-60 as fast as a supercar... It's heavier, tougher, faster, more capable and at a multiple percentile disadvantage but still managed to over achieve it's range on the highway..
@@maximusjoseppi5904 They are both about the same weight and they had wheel covers on the Cybertruck I'd say Rivian is more impressive, by far the youngest auto company yet it's not only competitive it's a leader in this segment.......hell was the 1st in the segment because Tesla lies about deadlines
@@theprfesssor huh? What exactly is it leading in? Haha. It isn't the best at anything? It can't do anything the other trucks can't do.. Tesla didn't lie, they simply built a vehicle unlike any other vehicle made that can do things no other vehicle does and it took longer to get to production due to it after covid... Not meeting projection isn't lying. Rivian told everyone they were going to start production of the r1t in 2020, they lied by a year I guess with their cookie cutter pickup haha. Rivian is also bleeding money from a main artery and losing tons... Like just objectively speaking, I can't see where you're coming from other than just being a fan. But you don't think the all steel, 48v, adaptive steer by wire, fsd capable, armored glass truck with 12" of suspension adjustment is more impressive?
@@theprfesssor Nah, not really impressive. Rivian has more battery and the most aerodynamic design. Cybertruck is less aerodynamic thanks to its cyberpunk design and it's also larger. The fact that cybertruck with all that and all-terrain tyres could almost match Rivian's efficiency is a testament to Tesla's engineering.
Rivian is the one that best accepts the limitations of an EV and maximizes what they have. The right size, features, and software to make it the most compelling (but not most capable) offering IMO. Can't wait for R2, I just hope they don't lose their soul and spirit. Silverado is the only one even reasonably compelling to replace a gas half ton just based on battery and charging alone.
For me, the biggest benefit of these tests is seeing how the vehicles behave right when they're near the end. Some EVs are "you have full power until about a mile before it runs out of charge, below 0% indicated" others are "slowly degrade power to the point that you may be able to go a further 15 miles beyond when it says you're out, but only at 20 MPH." I'm definitely an "out of spec road trip" kind of person. Have put over 150,000 miles on five different EVs over the years, and have never been stranded on the side of the road. Have three times gotten to a charger and not been able to charge - once was my own fault for misreading the Plugshare entry. It wasn't live yet (older EV with no live updates to navigation map, so it didn't know about *ANY* EA stations.) Twice were EA bugaboos. Both times, I had another full-speed option within reach. (Although one was "arriving on static" turtle-mode.) I've definitely rolled in to a planned charge stop in turtle mode half a dozen times, though.
Yeah, this is very useful information. I dont own an EV but would like to have one. Right now I can't, and that is okay. I get to watch ans learn how they function, and when I can actually buy one things will only have gotten better. I didn't even realize different makes wouls handle low charge different, but it makes sense this wouls happen unless some standard is implemented.
Don't apologize for long videos - I enjoyed every minute of it! I found Alyssa to be the most entertaining - hopefully she will consider participating in future tests...
0:00 intro 3:52 results 13:18 second intro 19:04 charging 22:35 testing procedures 26:49 meet the team 33:13 charging challenges 39:15 getting on the road 47:23 75% check in 52:27 turning around 1:04:32 25% check in 1:13:00 lightning dead 1:30:06 Rivian dead 1:36:49 cybertruck dead 1:56:58 Silverado dead 2:03:30 charging the cybertruck 2:08:47 Silverado problems 2:13:43 conclusion
I mean. I can't. But I'll get you started with AI and do some incompetent cursory editing... (Ok, actually more editing than I wanted. Bleh.) (Ok, actually I just did it manually. So they're probably extra bad.) 00:00:00 It Begins 00:01:18 Introduction to Range Test 00:02:35 The Results! 00:13:15 The Contestants 00:22:38 Testing Procedures and Recovery Strat 00:26:55 Crew Check-ins and Charging Quirks 00:39:18 It Begins (For Real) 01:11:30 Ya Can't Park There! (First to Fall) 01:29:00 Slow Glide to Another One 01:34:00 That's Awkward (Hill We Die On) 01:55:35 Last One 02:03:30 Jumping the CyberTruck 02:08:45 Silverado Charging Weirdness pt 2 02:14:45 Outro
No. The "Superbowl of range tests" is Point A to (random) Point B. . Beyond range. . Charge easily and efficiently using vehicle navigation. . No billing/ handshake hangups. . How long to arrive? ..... It's a well planned drive at the 2 minute warning. NOT A 3 second "Hail Mary" No Receivers free, coming up 9 yards short.
It's the opposite of that.. anyone who owns an electric car knows that outside conditions GREATLY effect the miles you get. E.g. when the sun isn't up and the wind is blowing in the direction you are traveling, temperature etc... this is only one test at different times of day, so there is very limited accurate data provided here.
It's kinda hilarious how they keep saying "Kyle's dead" or "Allysa died, she's on the side of the highway". I mean there's a better way to say this, but the fact that we would all say it exactly like this IRL is the best. Out of Spec Rocks!
I've got a Dual Motor Performance, Max Pack with 20"ATs. Just averaged 2.68m/kWh yesterday driving 197 miles Denver to DIA, 270, to 83, to Colorado Springs 55-65mph then COS back to Denver on i25 with Driver+ at about 78mph. Used 53% of the battery. Extrapolated that's 380 miles on a charge with the Max Pack. Super stoked on that drive. Not a full 70mph range test, but a real world drive with some solid results.
1:38:25 - ⚠I freakin LOVE how seriously Tesla's Cybertruck takes it when the battery is on its very last leg. All that flashing to get you to take it seriously is so much safer than the way others did it. I wouldn't even be opposed to an audible warning saying to "Pull over safely as soon as possible", either. You can cause a serious accident at these highway speeds, then your battery dies, but there's no safe place to pull over. I safe place to pull over is very rarely a sure thing when driving. This was awesome; I really enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing the data and footage! If your max speed is 25, shouldn't have risked going up hill from there with no safe place to park. Should have pulled over and called it what it was. Where you stopped the Cybertruck definitely added some danger to the area, but it didn't seem like a busy offramp at least.
#1 award for most helpful Video and I love stats up front.....real world range test....I just a Ruff neck that drives a model x waiting for my cyber truck
What a great series this EV truck challenge is. Thank you all for taking the time to make the videos. I know it's a lot of hard work. But your passion shows through.
As a non EV owner what surprised me the most was at the very end of the film. He charged his Silverado to 25% and it cost him $19.50! I didn't know it was that expensive to charge. That seems pretty close to regular fuels costs.
Yes - public charging is on par with what you pay at the pump. Charging at home can be 1-3x cheaper for most people, or even more if you produce your own electricity. Personally, I pay about 15¢/kwh at home, about 45¢ on public chargers. So 3x cheaper.
As an EV owner, yes, I have been surprised at the cost of fast charging. So the aim is to charge at home as much as possible, where charging is substantially cheaper than buying gas. And most driving for most people most of the time, charging at home covers most of your driving. A little redundant there, sorry…
I just had lunch with some engineers, and it’s interesting talking trucks with them. The things they were inspecting in the cybertruck and excited about was so different than the way the rest of us see it.
@@robfreeman5783 Silverado EV would probably do about 250 miles at that speed with the trailer. The OP was just saying that it can go really far at 55MPH.
Great educational video as well as entertainment. This is one of my favorite videos. Good work OOS Team! It shows how much "extra" room there is (or opposite like the 6% on the Lightning) and what happens at that "tail end" of kick off.
Tesla should add a popup shortcut to transport mode when you get that low. How about a battery conservation mode that lowers screen brightness and turns off non essential stuff. Like smartphones.
@@sleepy8137I was having too much fun leaving every other pick-up trucks in the dust. I got a couple tickets and decided it was time to end my fun (for now).
Two observations. 1. That Silverado is a champ. If they can build and sell those at a competitive price point GM might be able to convert a good number of ICE drivers who have road trip anxiety. 2. Sorry Tesla fans, while the cars they build are technical marvels, damn they are quirky & the build quality looks like it was engineered by LEGO. Great video Out of Spec crew!
The Silverado was the least efficient (in this test), which is especially bad as they were on the most efficient wheel/tire package. The Cybertruck was 25% more efficient on All-Terrain tires, which would make the Cybertruck ~35%-40% more efficient on similar wheels/tires. (I actually think the Cybertruck was the most efficient in this test adjusted for wheels/tires) The Cybertruck has it's faults, it's styling is odd at best, and the shape makes imperfections stand out.... but the stainless durability (dent resistance) and rust resistance is really nice, if Tesla can get the price down a bit (they have reduced the prices of all their cars over time) it will be very compelling.
In terms of all round performance, efficiency, price, and availability today, have to say Rivian is the “winner” here. But all four vehicles have a lot going for them. It’s great to finally have some good choices.
I do appreciate the "TLDR" or results right at the start of the video.. I do like the long video, and total results... but we don't always have several hours to watch the video. I appreciate you not forcing your viewers watching the entire video to get the results. Thanks
Dylan Loomis just did an excellent report on how the 4680 is ramping up in Texas. Meanwhile, Kato Road is closed down to retool production lines for test production runs of the 3rd gen 4680. More range coming for the Cybertruck.
I agree, the only way to do a range test is to drive it until it stops. Great idea to test these trucks simultaneously, some really good footage. I would appreciate more comment on the performance of the vehicles, after all you are driving long range.
There appears to be a 20% range benefit due to thinner air in CO compared to if these same range tests were done near sea level. Interestingly the air density in Ft. Collins at the time of this test was about 20% less than that of the air density in Austin, at the time of that test. I calculated the atmospheric pressure Ft. Collins and Austin, and corrected for temperature. Amazingly the Cybertruck range test in Fort Collins was exact 20% better than the test done in Austin. 304 miles vs 254 miles. I do realize that the entire test wasn’t done in Fort Collins but I used the Fort Collins elevation since I don’t know what the average elevation of this test was. Air temperatures can be found at the Out of Spec Studios link in the video description. Despite the difference between a sea level test, I still think these tests are useful, because we can compare the differences between vehicles. To convert these results to sea level, subtract about 10-20% off of the results. Great job Out of Spec⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Great job. Love to get the info and the cherry on top is all the OOS personalities interjecting. You guys love what you do and each other. And that makes it so much more entertaining.
Nice work, OOS team! Last year, one of the British tabloids took one of Bjørn’s videos and twisted it into an indictment of EVs. I hope the Daily Mail/NY Post doesn’t follow suit with this episode.
Personally, I think the generator thing shows the advantage of EVs. You can charge em on Diesel, gasoline, solar, nuclear, coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, literally anything that can make power. I call *THAT* freedom of choice.
Timestamps: 0:00 intro 3:52 results 13:18 second intro 19:04 charging 22:35 testing procedures 26:49 meet the team 33:13 charging challenges 39:15 getting on the road 47:23 75% check in 52:27 turning around 1:04:32 25% check in 1:13:00 lightning dead 1:30:06 Rivian dead 1:36:49 cybertruck dead 1:56:58 Silverado dead 2:03:30 charging the cybertruck 2:08:47 Silverado problems 2:13:43 conclusion
Isn’t it a little unfair to say the trucks aren’t meeting their EPA rating when doing a straight highway test? Isn’t the EPA range estimates based on combined driving, not straight highway range?
Single thing I loathe about these SMDH they always quote the epa combined numbers! Example a large pack quad r1t on the at tires is rated for 274 hwy miles of range. The Ford lightning truck is 279 on the platinum spec hwy. Ct is probably mid 270s with the ats for dual motor trims and 260s tri, maybe 290ish with the not yet released as tires. 🤔
Glad you guys didn't hit the Chrome bed trim piece I left between Cheyenne and Loveland the other day... Can't wait for my Cybertruck! Life long Wyomingite approves of your testing ;) "it's fine"!
Thank you Kyle - this is THE truck review I have been waiting for!! Would have been awesome if you towed the same trailer behind each one of them and measured range! You are the best at EV reviews!
He said during part of the video that the towing test is coming. I don't blame you for not seeing it - at over 2 hours I skipped a good chunk of the video myself. :)
GM’s (Hummer etc) certainly respond after a cold boot by removing all power (12VDC). Cyber 48V death recovery procedure ties the GM for the EV’s never to run out in. The Rivian and Ford were the most graceful in their recovery. Nice editing👍🏼 2:14:59
And that’s how you compare and that’s how a proper test is done. Not using them separately in different weather and terrain as it makes a big difference
I can only imagine the internet memes that will be created with the diesel generator charging the EV trucks and the Cybertruck on the side of the road.
What's wrong with using another power source to charge up a vehicle? Now we just need mobile superchargers for quick recharging in emergencies to get you to your best charging station. Lol
Thanks for the data charts! I'll say that I'm not surprised by the efficiency numbers, but also, in defense of the Silverado EV, chasing efficiency in an inherently inefficient platform is a fool's errand. That being said, I still think the 3WT is the better balance. It might squeeze out a little better efficiency at 70 mph, but the benefit is with the additional payload and towing capacity. To me, the sweet spot for EVs is as much energy as you can squeeze into ~1,000 lbs for small cars and as much energy as you can squeeze into ~2,000 lbs for fullsize trucks. That should still leave enough overhead for 1,500-2,000 lbs of payload while still providing a realistic 350 to 400 miles of range.
Shouldn’t you also do a mixed test for range and not only this highway test? E.g. the heavy vehicles don’t suffer at a continuous speed test, so it would be interesting if there is also “city driving” with acceleration and regen.
This a great test and content. You guys are the masters of details, total removing of disturbance variables that could skew the data. Many thanks EV nerds
I recently rented a Silverado EV 4WT for a weekend from National Car Rental. When I picked it up, it was charged up to 100%, and it showed 502 miles. I was like, OK. I'll take that. Long story short, I drove 507 miles total, and I only "had" to charge it once, at 12% with 55 miles of range remaining, and I added another 13% and 60 miles (25% and 115 miles of range). If my math is correct, 507 miles driven plus 40 miles (9%) at return (National/Enterprise doesn't penalize you for returning it with low %, and doesn't require you to charge it before returning) minus 60 miles of range added, that would equal to about 487 miles of actual driving range on the battery. That was combined city/highway/traffic/ no traffic/ speeds up to triple digits distance, all done between NYC and Worcester, MA. Fair to say, that are some impressive numbers. And with numbers like that, I would be more than OK with charging my EV up to 80% (400 miles in this case) every time 😉 Great driving experience as well 😃
I've had my 4wt for almost two weeks. almost 2k miles on it and yes, the range is crazy good. Im seeing the same thing as you did. actually get better than the estimated range.
This was incredibly fun to watch. We definitely need Allyssa and Brandon on more range test videos. One question I had, is when Allyssa was nearing the end of the range in her Rivian, she was saying that she was keeping Driver assistance off to use less power. I would be very interested in watching a deep dive into this. Do these driver assistance systems actually use enough power to make a difference on your range? Thanks again for the incredible content!
Awesome video guys! Really enjoyed it. I had a feeling that all the cybertruck range bashing was garbage. People jump to conclusions way too fast. According to this test, it performed awesome and was the only one that exceeded the EPA range (or whatever they use).
If I were driving a Cybertruck with "drive by wire" totally electric steering with no mechanical backup, I sure wouldn't drive it when the display says "Vehicle shutting down".
These results warrant a retest of the dual motor Cybertruck on your standard loop in Colorado. The Edmunds range test of the dual motor is another good data point as mentioned in the video. They don't do 70mph like you do, but 254 seems way low. Tesla may have also updated the efficiency ota.
@@KyleConner looking forward to it! Such an interesting vehicle... divisive to people everywhere and in its own pros and cons. I thought I saw the Austin test data posted on the website. Definitely could be misremembering.... Keep up the good work! Looking forward to all the truck content coming up with these ~4.
ThAT WAS FUN. Really hope you all do a test pulling camping trailers. agree the Silverado is a beast . think about how you could actually go on a local, say 150 mile fishing trip to the Lake in the Silverado pulling a Camper to the lake AND back home and never need to charge until you get back to the house. 300 mile round trip pulling camper. (should be doable coonsidering 430 miles without camper
@KyleConner Thanks Kyle. I'm editing my original reply and request. It's not right to ask yet. I just can't wait for that 800v curve charging video. I know it'll break the internet when it's time. Still leaving my comment that you're becoming our own Bjorn Nyland. You have that same passion and drive. Keep up the great work.
That was a great video! Very interesting data. Just FYI, there's been a few times now where your mic is jammed between your shirt and neck and blows out the audio.
Really impressive range on the Rivian 340 miles just like advertised and Kwh/mile usage awesome, Have you ever tried to run quad motor in conserve mode? I got once closer to 3 on my R1T in conserve. Might do even better. Tesla was in chill mode afterall, congrats on going over 300. Silverado is a beast 430 miles wow. F150 no comments lol
Not sure, it has about the same battery and weight as the Rivian. Not sure why it has so much less range. they should put a bigger battery in F150 like Chevy did with the SIlverado. Or at least have that option.I had F150 and run a comparison on my channel against the Rivian. I ended up keeping the rivian but F150 was very comfortable and had super spacious cabin plus auto sunroof cover which was super nice. Picked Rivian due to driving dynamics, range and interior design. @@GeeDeeBird
Check out all of our range data and results from our other tests on our interactive site! outofspecstudios.com/70-mph-range
Question did you have regen braking on for any of the vehicles during this test?
@OutofSpecReviews Most/many trailers would cancel out any aero advantage on the truck itself, so a large capacity battery is “smart range" for a truck… though having both is great.
Cool results ,Kyle .
Its interesting that the Lightning Platinum has a range of 260 miles , yet the Lightning Lariat has a range of 282 miles , is that just to do with tyre size ?
Interesting that the Cyberbeast has 50 miles more range than a dual motor cybertruck. ,both with 20 inch wheels.
Thank you for having the site, for those of us that really just want the info & maybe a reader's digest version vs 2 hours of verbosity.
The massive generator and mobile DC charging station is an insane flex.
V2V would be awesome. Why don't we have it?
it could be a wonder business. opportunity idea too
@@iamalmostanonymousdoesn’t cybertruck charge v2v?
@@AR-rn8ok I'm thinking DC only without the needles conversion to and from AC.
@@iamalmostanonymous I saw it charging another vehicle.
You can’t park there!! 😂😂
Best part 😂 - and that ridiculous Rivian horn 😂
“Is this not a reasonable place to park?” 🚬🕶️
The person at 1:28:33 ... Their job was to say the total mileage, film in landscape and pull over somewhere safely. Failed on all counts. Jesus Lord have mercy.
Yehehe dats good stuff
Even for SCIENCE???
Another pertinent bit of knowledge what to do when u run out of charge…….. was a first for me
1. Keep manual handy
Ford Lightning - 281.7 miles
CyberTruck - 304 miles
Rivian R1T - 345.2 miles
Chevy Silverado - 433.7 miles
So which ones didn't run as far as advertised??? He said at the beginning which one actually ran as long as advertised
Only Cybertruck made it as far as advertised.
@@3dentertainment301Non of them achieved as advertised, but to be far I don’t know if EPA test are conducted at 70mph. I think the Rivian was the closest at 98% of advertised. I’m curious how much the added rock sliders effected the aerodynamic efficiency.
Oh bless you!!
It’s important to note that Chevy was least efficient, but has the largest battery, hence the longest range.
“I can’t believe all the electric trucks I saw on the way home getting charged by a generator on the side of the road!"
Purely because you revealed the results upfront, I watched the entire video in gratitude. Out of spec is the holy grail for EV enthusiasts, keep up the fantastic work!
Yup. Even after 200,000+ miles in BEVs, I've never ran out while driving. I've pulled into chargers with
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Same. I am at 130K over 6 years, and haven’t been left stranded. I also never ran out of gas in the 20 years before that. Still see lots of people walking with gas cans, even though there is a gas station on nearly every corner. The problem might be people, not products.
Driving on diesel…no worries. Still more efficient than burning it in a diesel engine that is in a truck.
Been driving bevs for 5 years and have never ran out. Range anxiety is so overblown.
You need to get a older Nissan Leaf… Turtles 🐢 will show up frequently.
The fact that the Rivian and CT did over 300 miles om highway speed is quite remarkable
Let's not forget the cybertruck did it while being a 7000lb, all steel, bullet proof truck with 35" off road tires that can go 0-60 as fast as a supercar... It's heavier, tougher, faster, more capable and at a multiple percentile disadvantage but still managed to over achieve it's range on the highway..
@@maximusjoseppi5904
They are both about the same weight and they had wheel covers on the Cybertruck
I'd say Rivian is more impressive, by far the youngest auto company yet it's not only competitive it's a leader in this segment.......hell was the 1st in the segment because Tesla lies about deadlines
@@theprfesssor huh? What exactly is it leading in? Haha. It isn't the best at anything? It can't do anything the other trucks can't do.. Tesla didn't lie, they simply built a vehicle unlike any other vehicle made that can do things no other vehicle does and it took longer to get to production due to it after covid... Not meeting projection isn't lying.
Rivian told everyone they were going to start production of the r1t in 2020, they lied by a year I guess with their cookie cutter pickup haha.
Rivian is also bleeding money from a main artery and losing tons...
Like just objectively speaking, I can't see where you're coming from other than just being a fan.
But you don't think the all steel, 48v, adaptive steer by wire, fsd capable, armored glass truck with 12" of suspension adjustment is more impressive?
@@theprfesssor Nah, not really impressive. Rivian has more battery and the most aerodynamic design. Cybertruck is less aerodynamic thanks to its cyberpunk design and it's also larger.
The fact that cybertruck with all that and all-terrain tyres could almost match Rivian's efficiency is a testament to Tesla's engineering.
Plus his Rivian is older
Dual motor Rivian with 2.63 mi/kWh efficiency and 345 miles of range is impressive.
Lol the Rivian is honestly the best one here. Drove one yesterday and damn it's good!
Yeah the Rivian is the best electric truck by some margin.
Yep, when it comes to cruising at 70 mph, the Rivian seems to be dialed in.
Rivian is the one that best accepts the limitations of an EV and maximizes what they have. The right size, features, and software to make it the most compelling (but not most capable) offering IMO. Can't wait for R2, I just hope they don't lose their soul and spirit.
Silverado is the only one even reasonably compelling to replace a gas half ton just based on battery and charging alone.
Is the r1s the same? Better or worse? That's what I would want. Hopefully Cybertruck becomes an suv some day too lol
For me, the biggest benefit of these tests is seeing how the vehicles behave right when they're near the end. Some EVs are "you have full power until about a mile before it runs out of charge, below 0% indicated" others are "slowly degrade power to the point that you may be able to go a further 15 miles beyond when it says you're out, but only at 20 MPH."
I'm definitely an "out of spec road trip" kind of person. Have put over 150,000 miles on five different EVs over the years, and have never been stranded on the side of the road.
Have three times gotten to a charger and not been able to charge - once was my own fault for misreading the Plugshare entry. It wasn't live yet (older EV with no live updates to navigation map, so it didn't know about *ANY* EA stations.) Twice were EA bugaboos. Both times, I had another full-speed option within reach. (Although one was "arriving on static" turtle-mode.)
I've definitely rolled in to a planned charge stop in turtle mode half a dozen times, though.
Yeah, this is very useful information. I dont own an EV but would like to have one. Right now I can't, and that is okay. I get to watch ans learn how they function, and when I can actually buy one things will only have gotten better.
I didn't even realize different makes wouls handle low charge different, but it makes sense this wouls happen unless some standard is implemented.
Great comment!
Good job on being upfront about the summary of the results.
Not gonna lie. That R1T pulling the generator looks sexy af
Don't apologize for long videos - I enjoyed every minute of it! I found Alyssa to be the most entertaining - hopefully she will consider participating in future tests...
I use to help build 1400 amp Diesel Generators for Weber Generators that were used for the motion picture industry. That setup is awesome.
If someone can chapterize this I’ll throw those into the video!
0:00 intro
3:52 results
13:18 second intro
19:04 charging
22:35 testing procedures
26:49 meet the team
33:13 charging challenges
39:15 getting on the road
47:23 75% check in
52:27 turning around
1:04:32 25% check in
1:13:00 lightning dead
1:30:06 Rivian dead
1:36:49 cybertruck dead
1:56:58 Silverado dead
2:03:30 charging the cybertruck
2:08:47 Silverado problems
2:13:43 conclusion
I mean. I can't. But I'll get you started with AI and do some incompetent cursory editing... (Ok, actually more editing than I wanted. Bleh.) (Ok, actually I just did it manually. So they're probably extra bad.)
00:00:00 It Begins
00:01:18 Introduction to Range Test
00:02:35 The Results!
00:13:15 The Contestants
00:22:38 Testing Procedures and Recovery Strat
00:26:55 Crew Check-ins and Charging Quirks
00:39:18 It Begins (For Real)
01:11:30 Ya Can't Park There! (First to Fall)
01:29:00 Slow Glide to Another One
01:34:00 That's Awkward (Hill We Die On)
01:55:35 Last One
02:03:30 Jumping the CyberTruck
02:08:45 Silverado Charging Weirdness pt 2
02:14:45 Outro
@@TeddyBearGaming999not all heroes wear capes.
The Super Bowl of range tests.
No.
The "Superbowl of range tests" is
Point A to (random) Point B.
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Beyond range.
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Charge easily and efficiently using vehicle navigation.
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No billing/ handshake hangups.
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How long to arrive?
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It's a well planned drive at the 2 minute warning.
NOT
A 3 second "Hail Mary" No Receivers free, coming up 9 yards short.
It's the opposite of that.. anyone who owns an electric car knows that outside conditions GREATLY effect the miles you get. E.g. when the sun isn't up and the wind is blowing in the direction you are traveling, temperature etc... this is only one test at different times of day, so there is very limited accurate data provided here.
@@lauren_mcgowanIt’s one test. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s valid.
It's kinda hilarious how they keep saying "Kyle's dead" or "Allysa died, she's on the side of the highway". I mean there's a better way to say this, but the fact that we would all say it exactly like this IRL is the best. Out of Spec Rocks!
I've got a Dual Motor Performance, Max Pack with 20"ATs. Just averaged 2.68m/kWh yesterday driving 197 miles Denver to DIA, 270, to 83, to Colorado Springs 55-65mph then COS back to Denver on i25 with Driver+ at about 78mph. Used 53% of the battery. Extrapolated that's 380 miles on a charge with the Max Pack. Super stoked on that drive. Not a full 70mph range test, but a real world drive with some solid results.
Love to see Kyle gush over how great the Lightning is to drive. It's not perfect, but it's a great truck.
And you can get them as basemodell with some miles on it for 50k
@@brunoheggli2888Low mile used standard battery models have fallen into the low-mid forties in my area!
this video is absolutely mental, I love it
1:38:25 - ⚠I freakin LOVE how seriously Tesla's Cybertruck takes it when the battery is on its very last leg. All that flashing to get you to take it seriously is so much safer than the way others did it. I wouldn't even be opposed to an audible warning saying to "Pull over safely as soon as possible", either. You can cause a serious accident at these highway speeds, then your battery dies, but there's no safe place to pull over. I safe place to pull over is very rarely a sure thing when driving. This was awesome; I really enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing the data and footage! If your max speed is 25, shouldn't have risked going up hill from there with no safe place to park. Should have pulled over and called it what it was. Where you stopped the Cybertruck definitely added some danger to the area, but it didn't seem like a busy offramp at least.
#1 award for most helpful Video and I love stats up front.....real world range test....I just a Ruff neck that drives a model x waiting for my cyber truck
What a great series this EV truck challenge is. Thank you all for taking the time to make the videos. I know it's a lot of hard work. But your passion shows through.
Your mobile charger is what AAA needs. Very nicely done! Appreciate all the hard work.
As a non EV owner what surprised me the most was at the very end of the film. He charged his Silverado to 25% and it cost him $19.50! I didn't know it was that expensive to charge. That seems pretty close to regular fuels costs.
Yes - public charging is on par with what you pay at the pump. Charging at home can be 1-3x cheaper for most people, or even more if you produce your own electricity.
Personally, I pay about 15¢/kwh at home, about 45¢ on public chargers. So 3x cheaper.
I pay 5 cents per kw at home... Massively cheaper than fuel. Like I am single digits dollars a month of budget vs over $100 for fuel when I had an SUV
So saving $1000 a year, take 6-10 yrs to break even?
As an EV owner, yes, I have been surprised at the cost of fast charging. So the aim is to charge at home as much as possible, where charging is substantially cheaper than buying gas. And most driving for most people most of the time, charging at home covers most of your driving. A little redundant there, sorry…
I didn't plan on watching the whole video, but I just couldn't stop 🤯. Awesome test! Great Video!
At 55MPH I’m sure the Silverado can break into the 500s
Easily
I just had lunch with some engineers, and it’s interesting talking trucks with them. The things they were inspecting in the cybertruck and excited about was so different than the way the rest of us see it.
Driving 55 mph in a 65-70 mph zone would be infuriating. I set my cruise to 74 while towing a 5k lb boat.
@@robfreeman5783 Silverado EV would probably do about 250 miles at that speed with the trailer. The OP was just saying that it can go really far at 55MPH.
Great educational video as well as entertainment. This is one of my favorite videos. Good work OOS Team! It shows how much "extra" room there is (or opposite like the 6% on the Lightning) and what happens at that "tail end" of kick off.
Tesla should add a popup shortcut to transport mode when you get that low.
How about a battery conservation mode that lowers screen brightness and turns off non essential stuff. Like smartphones.
Dang! The Silverado really killed all others with that range 👀
With a 230 kwh battery... the lighting for example has a 130 kwh battery.
You can't park there!📢🤣🤣
I had the same Silverado EV as my daily driver for about 2 months, and it was amazing. Loved that truck.
Why did you get rid of it?
@@sleepy8137I was having too much fun leaving every other pick-up trucks in the dust. I got a couple tickets and decided it was time to end my fun (for now).
Two observations.
1. That Silverado is a champ. If they can build and sell those at a competitive price point GM might be able to convert a good number of ICE drivers who have road trip anxiety.
2. Sorry Tesla fans, while the cars they build are technical marvels, damn they are quirky & the build quality looks like it was engineered by LEGO.
Great video Out of Spec crew!
Legos have great tolerances. I assume you mean the opposite.
The Silverado was the least efficient (in this test), which is especially bad as they were on the most efficient wheel/tire package. The Cybertruck was 25% more efficient on All-Terrain tires, which would make the Cybertruck ~35%-40% more efficient on similar wheels/tires. (I actually think the Cybertruck was the most efficient in this test adjusted for wheels/tires)
The Cybertruck has it's faults, it's styling is odd at best, and the shape makes imperfections stand out.... but the stainless durability (dent resistance) and rust resistance is really nice, if Tesla can get the price down a bit (they have reduced the prices of all their cars over time) it will be very compelling.
In terms of all round performance, efficiency, price, and availability today, have to say Rivian is the “winner” here. But all four vehicles have a lot going for them. It’s great to finally have some good choices.
Ive had my 4wt for less than 2 weeks, almost 2k miles....absolutely love it...range is crazy.
I do appreciate the "TLDR" or results right at the start of the video.. I do like the long video, and total results... but we don't always have several hours to watch the video. I appreciate you not forcing your viewers watching the entire video to get the results. Thanks
Amazing work to the team, this is really great info and it takes a lot of time/effort. Thanks!
Me watching it from UK: 1. They drive on the wrong side of the road, 2. They produce electric trucks?
Dylan Loomis just did an excellent report on how the 4680 is ramping up in Texas. Meanwhile, Kato Road is closed down to retool production lines for test production runs of the 3rd gen 4680. More range coming for the Cybertruck.
Thank you for the numbers upfront. Makes it really easy to do comparison.
Absolutely epic. Need to make a highlight reel of bloopers and one-liners.
I agree, the only way to do a range test is to drive it until it stops. Great idea to test these trucks simultaneously, some really good footage. I would appreciate more comment on the performance of the vehicles, after all you are driving long range.
There appears to be a 20% range benefit due to thinner air in CO compared to if these same range tests were done near sea level.
Interestingly the air density in Ft. Collins at the time of this test was about 20% less than that of the air density in Austin, at the time of that test. I calculated the atmospheric pressure Ft. Collins and Austin, and corrected for temperature. Amazingly the Cybertruck range test in Fort Collins was exact 20% better than the test done in Austin. 304 miles vs 254 miles.
I do realize that the entire test wasn’t done in Fort Collins but I used the Fort Collins elevation since I don’t know what the average elevation of this test was.
Air temperatures can be found at the Out of Spec Studios link in the video description.
Despite the difference between a sea level test, I still think these tests are useful, because we can compare the differences between vehicles. To convert these results to sea level, subtract about 10-20% off of the results. Great job Out of Spec⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Love to see real testing again! So many product unveils and traveling, glad to see more races and the tests.
At 18:52 a Dodge Caravan disguised as the Ecto-1 from Ghostbusters drives behind Kyle.
Love these reviews range tests are more important now than ever with the world moving towards electric vehicles
Great job. Love to get the info and the cherry on top is all the OOS personalities interjecting. You guys love what you do and each other. And that makes it so much more entertaining.
Silverado EV FTW!
That Silverado is a monster amazing range
Nice work, OOS team! Last year, one of the British tabloids took one of Bjørn’s videos and twisted it into an indictment of EVs. I hope the Daily Mail/NY Post doesn’t follow suit with this episode.
Personally, I think the generator thing shows the advantage of EVs. You can charge em on Diesel, gasoline, solar, nuclear, coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, literally anything that can make power. I call *THAT* freedom of choice.
Appreciate going over the facts and results before jumping into video
Timestamps:
0:00 intro
3:52 results
13:18 second intro
19:04 charging
22:35 testing procedures
26:49 meet the team
33:13 charging challenges
39:15 getting on the road
47:23 75% check in
52:27 turning around
1:04:32 25% check in
1:13:00 lightning dead
1:30:06 Rivian dead
1:36:49 cybertruck dead
1:56:58 Silverado dead
2:03:30 charging the cybertruck
2:08:47 Silverado problems
2:13:43 conclusion
Thank God for your timestamps, sir. This RUclipsr is a āsshāt for not including them in a narcissistic 2-3 hour video.
Isn’t it a little unfair to say the trucks aren’t meeting their EPA rating when doing a straight highway test? Isn’t the EPA range estimates based on combined driving, not straight highway range?
Single thing I loathe about these SMDH they always quote the epa combined numbers!
Example a large pack quad r1t on the at tires is rated for 274 hwy miles of range. The Ford lightning truck is 279 on the platinum spec hwy.
Ct is probably mid 270s with the ats for dual motor trims and 260s tri, maybe 290ish with the not yet released as tires. 🤔
@@4literv6 agreed. Edmunds just did a cybertruck range test but they do it a combined method and it hit 334 I believe (over its rated range).
The EPA range is pretty irrelevant for road trips where the range actually matters. @@4literv6
maybe a little unfair but honestly surprising on how close they get.
No, because they all have the chance to show how far off they are from the EPA numbers. To no one's surprise of course the Tesla would be the worst.
I cant wait for all the post on Reddit and X. The EV meme's w/ these trucks being charged on Diesel will never go away.
Glad you guys didn't hit the Chrome bed trim piece I left between Cheyenne and Loveland the other day...
Can't wait for my Cybertruck!
Life long Wyomingite approves of your testing ;) "it's fine"!
Thank you Kyle - this is THE truck review I have been waiting for!! Would have been awesome if you towed the same trailer behind each one of them and measured range! You are the best at EV reviews!
Would be shocked (pun intended) if this isn’t in an upcoming video.
He said during part of the video that the towing test is coming. I don't blame you for not seeing it - at over 2 hours I skipped a good chunk of the video myself. :)
The test finally starts at 38 mins.
GM’s (Hummer etc) certainly respond after a cold boot by removing all power (12VDC). Cyber 48V death recovery procedure ties the GM for the EV’s never to run out in. The Rivian and Ford were the most graceful in their recovery. Nice editing👍🏼 2:14:59
And that’s how you compare and that’s how a proper test is done. Not using them separately in different weather and terrain as it makes a big difference
I can only imagine the internet memes that will be created with the diesel generator charging the EV trucks and the Cybertruck on the side of the road.
Bring them on!
Not exactly good publicity
Right ugh god I hope no one got pictures of them charging with a generator. The FUD is still so bad 😊
Diesels and EVs go together lol Edison motors proves it
What's wrong with using another power source to charge up a vehicle? Now we just need mobile superchargers for quick recharging in emergencies to get you to your best charging station. Lol
Thanks for the data charts! I'll say that I'm not surprised by the efficiency numbers, but also, in defense of the Silverado EV, chasing efficiency in an inherently inefficient platform is a fool's errand. That being said, I still think the 3WT is the better balance. It might squeeze out a little better efficiency at 70 mph, but the benefit is with the additional payload and towing capacity. To me, the sweet spot for EVs is as much energy as you can squeeze into ~1,000 lbs for small cars and as much energy as you can squeeze into ~2,000 lbs for fullsize trucks. That should still leave enough overhead for 1,500-2,000 lbs of payload while still providing a realistic 350 to 400 miles of range.
Shouldn’t you also do a mixed test for range and not only this highway test? E.g. the heavy vehicles don’t suffer at a continuous speed test, so it would be interesting if there is also “city driving” with acceleration and regen.
This a great test and content. You guys are the masters of details, total removing of disturbance variables that could skew the data. Many thanks EV nerds
I recently rented a Silverado EV 4WT for a weekend from National Car Rental.
When I picked it up, it was charged up to 100%, and it showed 502 miles. I was like, OK. I'll take that.
Long story short, I drove 507 miles total, and I only "had" to charge it once, at 12% with 55 miles of range remaining, and I added another 13% and 60 miles (25% and 115 miles of range). If my math is correct, 507 miles driven plus 40 miles (9%) at return (National/Enterprise doesn't penalize you for returning it with low %, and doesn't require you to charge it before returning) minus 60 miles of range added, that would equal to about 487 miles of actual driving range on the battery.
That was combined city/highway/traffic/ no traffic/ speeds up to triple digits distance, all done between NYC and Worcester, MA.
Fair to say, that are some impressive numbers. And with numbers like that, I would be more than OK with charging my EV up to 80% (400 miles in this case) every time 😉
Great driving experience as well 😃
I've had my 4wt for almost two weeks. almost 2k miles on it and yes, the range is crazy good. Im seeing the same thing as you did. actually get better than the estimated range.
Aww, Ollie's so cute! We need an Out of Spec Dogs.
Awww, thank yo.... Oh the dog. Nevermind.
I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but noticed Brandon left the vault open when he left the supercharger 🤔
Just until i got to the on ramp and i closed it
@@TeslaFlex as I got into the video I noticed on the display it was closed. I was a little worried there for a bit!😂😂
The mobile charger with the rivian just looked so cool
Best Rescue strategy would be V2V. Kinda hard to believe it's not a common feature by now.
I know the reviews from this channel is always long... but 2 hours still caught me off guard
You ran the F150 Lightning dead last week Nj to Fl 😂
This was incredibly fun to watch. We definitely need Allyssa and Brandon on more range test videos. One question I had, is when Allyssa was nearing the end of the range in her Rivian, she was saying that she was keeping Driver assistance off to use less power. I would be very interested in watching a deep dive into this. Do these driver assistance systems actually use enough power to make a difference on your range? Thanks again for the incredible content!
Amazing video guys. One of the best tests filmed. Thank you so much to the entire OOS team.
Awesome video guys! Really enjoyed it. I had a feeling that all the cybertruck range bashing was garbage. People jump to conclusions way too fast. According to this test, it performed awesome and was the only one that exceeded the EPA range (or whatever they use).
You've driven hundreds of EVs, and never ran out of power, except for in the Lightning! That's 3 times in the Lightning (on purpose this time).
you guys need to get the hand held radios for team comms during these group tests.
If I were driving a Cybertruck with "drive by wire" totally electric steering with no mechanical backup, I sure wouldn't drive it when the display says "Vehicle shutting down".
These results warrant a retest of the dual motor Cybertruck on your standard loop in Colorado. The Edmunds range test of the dual motor is another good data point as mentioned in the video. They don't do 70mph like you do, but 254 seems way low. Tesla may have also updated the efficiency ota.
Definitely need a retest and I mentioned it back in the Austin video, we don’t count official numbers unless they’re run on our loop
@@KyleConner looking forward to it! Such an interesting vehicle... divisive to people everywhere and in its own pros and cons. I thought I saw the Austin test data posted on the website. Definitely could be misremembering.... Keep up the good work! Looking forward to all the truck content coming up with these ~4.
Lol that damn Silverado is wild!! But GM has the most experience in EVs so it shouldn't be a shock
Dumb comment lol. Bigger battery 🤦🏾♂️
Big respect for delivering the data upfront.
New sub and watching the rest of the video now... excellent stuff.
This is awesome! Thank you, Ryan for these charts 🙌
This is insane! Good job guys
ThAT WAS FUN. Really hope you all do a test pulling camping trailers. agree the Silverado is a beast . think about how you could actually go on a local, say 150 mile fishing trip to the Lake in the Silverado pulling a Camper to the lake AND back home and never need to charge until you get back to the house. 300 mile round trip pulling camper. (should be doable coonsidering 430 miles without camper
😂I feel like this could be a service offered in the future. Drive by charging. Part of the AAA package.
That was too much joy for killing these cool new cars. 😂
This was so much fun.
Even that F-150 range was usable. That is better than I thought they would do.
yeah i thought the same , the last lightning they tested was a platitnum 260 miles , the 282 miles range one was a Lariat version extended range.
need to see the small battery Lightning too...
I can’t believe I drained that Cybertruck to below zero 😂😂
Great work!!
@@KyleConner Kyle, what was charging speed for the Cybertruck on that 800v charger? Are you allowed to say?
@@Paul-cj1wbthe most I’ve seen is 326kW at very low SoC - at higher SoC it’ll be the same as 500V charger
@KyleConner Thanks Kyle. I'm editing my original reply and request. It's not right to ask yet. I just can't wait for that 800v curve charging video. I know it'll break the internet when it's time.
Still leaving my comment that you're becoming our own Bjorn Nyland. You have that same passion and drive. Keep up the great work.
You started with the bed cover open
That was a great video! Very interesting data.
Just FYI, there's been a few times now where your mic is jammed between your shirt and neck and blows out the audio.
Lol the size of these compenstator trucks next to a sensibly sized golf
I swear this is the funniest thing ever. Just charging up on the side of the road lol.
LOL, TeslaFlex picked a hill to die on.
😅
40 years ago I drove from LAX to Seattle in 24 hours in winter. When electric vehicles can do that, I’ll consider one.
Man Thanks for dropping the results at the beginning
Why is the CT bed cover open??
Why was tesla bed cover open at 45min
Probably had people come up to him while charging so he showed them around the truck
Great video! I have a 2023 Lightning. I absolutely LOVE it
Awesome work. Nerdy, extreme investment from everyone in the team - amazingly interesting results. Thank you!
Really impressive range on the Rivian 340 miles just like advertised and Kwh/mile usage awesome, Have you ever tried to run quad motor in conserve mode? I got once closer to 3 on my R1T in conserve. Might do even better. Tesla was in chill mode afterall, congrats on going over 300. Silverado is a beast 430 miles wow. F150 no comments lol
I think, considering it's and it's size, the Lightning did very well. I'm really looking forward to the next iteration.
Not sure, it has about the same battery and weight as the Rivian. Not sure why it has so much less range. they should put a bigger battery in F150 like Chevy did with the SIlverado. Or at least have that option.I had F150 and run a comparison on my channel against the Rivian. I ended up keeping the rivian but F150 was very comfortable and had super spacious cabin plus auto sunroof cover which was super nice. Picked Rivian due to driving dynamics, range and interior design. @@GeeDeeBird
Really excited about the Silverado. 🤩
A big ass electric truck towing a diesel generator is such an American meme 😂
Would be nice to have a summary chart or something at the end of the video
I said after your Austin CT test, you guys greatly undervalued the effect of temperature and lower elevation (greater density altitude)