Q50 SCS Catback after 1 YEAR

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
  • Everyone knows that the tone of an exhaust system changes over time. My custom vq37 Q50 catback system is no exception. Let’s listen to how it has changed after one year and I’ll let you know if I still like it or not!
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Комментарии • 176

  • @wokethelast8498
    @wokethelast8498 4 года назад +39

    Bro keep these videos up man!!! Our vq community will much appreciate it

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +3

      Thanks man!

    • @robertwinters2966
      @robertwinters2966 2 года назад

      I was thinking the same thing and was going to say it too.

    • @robertwinters2966
      @robertwinters2966 2 года назад

      @@SpeedCultureStudios Woke The Last is right on point with this comment. We do appreciate it, I certainly do!

  • @jalenharvey5769
    @jalenharvey5769 4 года назад +11

    Hey man, just wanted to say I’ve been a fan of your exhaust system and videos ever since i got my Q50 almost a year ago. Thanks to you I’ve been learning a lot about my car and soon I hope to get your setup because I am ADDICTED to its sound, ideal sound I was looking for. Much love from CA, keep the content coming!

  • @SnoopyRu1980
    @SnoopyRu1980 4 года назад +6

    After driving a 2018 Freightliner all week getting to drive my Q again is almost orgasmic 😆
    And your Q still sounds mean 👍🏾

  • @dylansimmons4057
    @dylansimmons4057 4 года назад +7

    Always drop videos at the right time! was just watching your other ones!

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      I appreciate that! Sometimes its early, sometimes it's late--but I always get them out!

  • @bennettharden6068
    @bennettharden6068 3 года назад +3

    Just bought everything for this setup but it with the bigger resonators. Can’t wait to get it installed. Found a shop to do it for $180!

  • @danyoung7025
    @danyoung7025 4 года назад +7

    Sounds great 👍 I’m patiently waiting for my parts to come in, the exact same as yours (except I still have my stock cats). Currently running a muffler delete and can’t wait to hear this setup!

  • @JohnNorris-md9br
    @JohnNorris-md9br 4 года назад +4

    Hey man, the exhaust sounds great and love the videos. I just bought a 2014 Q50S myself, so these videos are helping a lot in figuring out what works. Keep it up!

  • @BoostInMotion
    @BoostInMotion 4 года назад +16

    LOVE THAT SOUND

  • @zoehaze
    @zoehaze Год назад +1

    Gonna try this on my fx45. Running dr. Gas x pipe and 2 spintraps out back. Love the smoothness of this system. Great work my guy!!!

  • @alanarechiga1407
    @alanarechiga1407 4 года назад +3

    Love the sound man. I’m going with your same set up. I have motordyne art pipes, 1320 performance Y pipe and tomorrow I have an appointment to have my custom 2.5 inch exhausts made including the borla mid muffler and flow master resonator with ark burnt tips. I’ll make a video sometime in the future and give you the credit you deserve! Thank you again.

  • @miguelelelelel
    @miguelelelelel 3 года назад +1

    About to get this installed on my 2014 Q60 IPL, THANKS TO YOU!!! You’re awesome, keep up the great content!!

  • @mj350gt2
    @mj350gt2 4 года назад +2

    Sickk burnouts in the Q! Cool exhaust clips! Aggressive tone! #VQboyz #InfinitiBoyz

  • @lancemcmahon8313
    @lancemcmahon8313 4 года назад +3

    love your videos thanks a lot have a 2014 3.7 q50 super lance7 one love

  • @miamiluck001
    @miamiluck001 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for these videos. It's very helpful and I'm about to order the goods!

  • @b9as4p9
    @b9as4p9 4 года назад +3

    Love the vids man! Got me wanting to go back to a 3.7 Q50 haha. Have you ever thought of installing an electronic exhaust valve in the system? Would love to get your thoughts on that

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +1

      Lol I actually have thought of that. I don’t want to put one in my current system because it’s clean, but I may toss my old setup back in with cutouts just for fun lol.

  • @betomembrane
    @betomembrane 4 года назад +2

    Amazing sound! 👏

  • @maxwellhall6606
    @maxwellhall6606 2 года назад +1

    Placed my order for all of the speed culture exhaust.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      Hell yeah!

    • @maxwellhall6606
      @maxwellhall6606 2 года назад +1

      @@SpeedCultureStudios I want to send you a clip here in a week. it’s a 2012 g37 I’m curious to hear the sound changes.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      Please do! Send me a message on IG

  • @colbyconaway2664
    @colbyconaway2664 4 года назад +2

    Dope video!

  • @cbar6537
    @cbar6537 4 года назад +1

    Sounds great. Always love me some vq. I got an old maxima

  • @Missionarychava
    @Missionarychava 3 года назад +1

    Hey SCS, I love the Channel! I’m getting this setup (waiting for the magma flow exhaust)! I don’t have Y pipes and I’m still running stock cats, how do you think that will fare? And should I just get Y pipes? Thanks I’m advance! Huge fan of yours!

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад

      This system eliminates the y pipe. Do you mean test pipes?

    • @Missionarychava
      @Missionarychava 3 года назад

      @@SpeedCultureStudios yes, sorry about that it was late 😂 haha but I know you are running test pipes with this setup up, and one more thing, I saw somewhere you dropped “spdcultr” decals I think they look dope as heck and would love to buy one, I know they aren’t listed in your shop anymore so if you have anymore I’d love to buy one or two!

  • @sourathrathsabout6142
    @sourathrathsabout6142 4 года назад +2

    You think that same muffler shop would do my exhaust for roughly the same price as yours?!

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      They are pretty busy now. They are always very reasonable with their prices so I’d just call and ask.

  • @OofMarc
    @OofMarc 4 года назад +3

    You dont have that hissing sound or are you not running test pipes?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      I have test pipes. Hissing sound is common. It’s very minimal for me.

  • @khabra90
    @khabra90 Год назад +1

    So did you get test pipes installed at the same time as getting the exhaust installed? Also if I get test pipes does it shoot flames or do you need a tube for that? I would rather not shoot flames tbh cause I’m getting it installed this week.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  Год назад

      I had test pipes installed before this exhaust but at the same time as tune. You need flame tune for flames

  • @frasierhaber4388
    @frasierhaber4388 4 года назад +2

    How’s the drone between 2-3k? That’s my only gripe with this same setup on mine. Although, I don’t have resonated TP’s yet so that’s the only difference right now

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +2

      Minimal around 1900-2200 rpm. Anything over that is butter.

  • @robertwinters2966
    @robertwinters2966 2 года назад +2

    At the time of this video, were you running stock cats, high flow cats, or test pipes? Wanting to know what this setup sounds like with test pipes.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад +1

      This setup was designed for test pipes 😉

    • @robertwinters2966
      @robertwinters2966 2 года назад +1

      @@SpeedCultureStudios have you had anybody boosted run this setup? I have the SOHO A2A SC kit on its way and already bought all the parts for the SCS custom exhaust and some Berks test pipes, haven't installed them yet. With the increased air flow due to forced induction, does this system end up having a deeper tone and would the 2.5 diameter be optimal in dual outlet form?
      Sorry for the loaded questions.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      @@robertwinters2966 several tuned 3.0t guys run it. The only recommendation is to run 3” diameter rather than 2.5

  • @derecknguyen4186
    @derecknguyen4186 4 года назад +3

    How loud is the idle? I'm looking for a setup that can be quiet when I need it to be, but can sound aggressive when I want it to be. Would this be the best setup for me?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +1

      It has a nice low idle. I believe I stated all of this in the video.

  • @danielmcglone3632
    @danielmcglone3632 4 года назад +1

    What’s the exhaust setup on this I love it

  • @ryanr5812
    @ryanr5812 2 года назад +1

    Love the sound but seeing lots of people saying that the Borlas blow out with burble and flame map usage... What was your experience like with them?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      If you’re constantly running flame map you’re going to blow out any mid muffler. Exhaust systems are not built for flames lol. I’ve had the system for over 3 years with occasional flames and it sounds as good as it did day one. There have been a few people that have had issues because they do it too often. There are over 800 of these out there with no issues

    • @ryanr5812
      @ryanr5812 2 года назад +1

      Good to know! You think if I put a standard x pipe and 18" resonators after it with flowfx in the rear and resonated test pipes it would sound similar and hold up better to a burble map?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      @@ryanr5812 might sound similar. X pipes can act as echo chambers resulting in additional rasp or some “tinny” noises but the large resonators right after might help tone that down

    • @ryanr5812
      @ryanr5812 2 года назад

      @@SpeedCultureStudios ok thanks for the info! Last question: I know you mentioned not spitting flames much but do you use the pops and bangs/burbles that some tuners give at all? Because I use that a lot more than full on flames

  • @menambre9964
    @menambre9964 4 года назад +2

    So when you do your exhaust you take the catalytic converters off right?

  • @ERICKITOMM10
    @ERICKITOMM10 4 года назад +2

    I wonder how this CB exhaust setup would sound on my VR30....

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +1

      I think there was one person going to try it that I know of but haven’t heard if he’s done it. I think it would sound good honestly. The big resonators will bring that higher pitch tone down and give it more of a rumble. I’d love to hear it!

    • @ERICKITOMM10
      @ERICKITOMM10 4 года назад +2

      Speed Culture Studios I was thinking of getting the non-res CB exhaust by Fast Intentions but I really love how your VQ sounds.. You said you built your CB exhaust for under 500$? If that’s the case, then I’m truly considering this setup instead of spending 1500$ on a whole CB exhaust! Thanks for the quick reply, as well!

    • @brandonrios4113
      @brandonrios4113 4 года назад +1

      Shieet im getting tempted to get the same setup too just dont know if it would sound just as good on the vr30 as well

  • @AIKINGBTC
    @AIKINGBTC 4 года назад +1

    Hey what have you done to your headlights? I know you did the eyelid, and blacked out the side amber. But did you also buy some tint for the highbeams or blackout the inside? And if tint what %?

  • @solotc
    @solotc 3 года назад +1

    Has your intake or exhaust caused your check engine light to come on? I just picked up my Stillen intake and will be getting ARK Grip the end of April.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад +1

      Tune will take care of the check engine light.

    • @solotc
      @solotc 3 года назад +1

      @@SpeedCultureStudios Thanks, if needed I’ll hit up Z1, they are just far as fuck from me. Went this weekend and it was a long ass drive lol

  • @krysis8115
    @krysis8115 4 года назад +2

    Hey man just wondering if you’ve seen the Velossa big mouth rams for the q50. If so what’s your take on it? Thanks.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +2

      I’ve seen them but can’t imagine any performance increase. I’d test them if they sent me a set, but I’m not going to buy them.

    • @krysis8115
      @krysis8115 4 года назад +2

      Speed Culture Studios Yea they’re pretty expensive too. I might get some but it’ll mostly be for looks honestly.

  • @jdoe3211
    @jdoe3211 4 года назад +1

    I got the vr30

  • @bigboizayy4500
    @bigboizayy4500 3 года назад +2

    So if I have a 100% stock engine and stock cats and just looking for a nice sounding exhaust that’s a nice sounding volume would running the magnaflow muffler and the resonators be a good option or do you still recommend only using one or the other?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад

      If you kept stock cats, you could just do a basic x pipe and use the flowfx resonators out back.

    • @bigboizayy4500
      @bigboizayy4500 3 года назад +1

      @@SpeedCultureStudios what x pipe would you recommend?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад

      @@bigboizayy4500 amzn.to/3xeV4vt

  • @Rick_B52
    @Rick_B52 Год назад

    Currently running Berk HFC's. I assume my setup done identically would otherwise ne a slight bit quieter?

  • @mysticcmango
    @mysticcmango Год назад +1

    Hey man Im getting a 3.7 soon and I was wondering if this setup will still sound good with stock cats since test pipes are, well, illegal and Im not willing to risk it

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  Год назад

      It sounds good but it’s quiet-sounds stock. You might as well just save the money and do a muffler delete

    • @yohan.al2000
      @yohan.al2000 Год назад

      You can do with high flow cats

  • @gunmetalGTR90
    @gunmetalGTR90 4 года назад +1

    Hey Speed Culture Studios, question for you, did you leave your Catalytic in the exhaust, and run this setup back from that? Or did you take out the cats?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +1

      Test pipes!

    • @gunmetalGTR90
      @gunmetalGTR90 4 года назад +1

      Speed Culture Studios , ok I take it that you are running test pipes as well. Lol. Where did you buy yours? So the flow goes, test pipes, borla, resonators, exhaust tips?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      Mike Warren correct!
      Test pipes 360Performance.

    • @gunmetalGTR90
      @gunmetalGTR90 4 года назад

      Speed Culture Studios resonated or non resonated?

  • @darrenfrey9916
    @darrenfrey9916 3 года назад +1

    What cats do you have on it? That thing is WICKED!!

  • @joshsandoval7691
    @joshsandoval7691 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey i wanted to ask you so if i installed all 3 of these parts you put on ur links description i can go get it tuned after to have the 5 different set ups/tunes you got? Also how much does it cost to tune it?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  10 месяцев назад +1

      Check out the complete exhaust video. The car also has test pipes. I wouldn’t tune it if you don’t get test pipes or high flow cats. And yes you can get the various maps tuned. Plan on $1000-1200 for tune and dyno time

    • @joshsandoval7691
      @joshsandoval7691 10 месяцев назад +1

      @SpeedCultureStudios dang that's dope! Thank you for responding. I appreciate it a lott! Love your channel. I've prob watched some of your vids like 40ea not gonna lie haha just to get ideas of something or to install things. Ur q50 is dope I like the rims you had on it ive always liked those typa rims myself but I want something more like 5 or even up to 15 spoke type look...I just dont plan on doing crazy driving in my q since it's my daily. Going for a clean look blacked out like yours basically, and I want it to sound aggressive... I have a remark axle back on it sounds pretty good but I want it to sound more mean/muscle type and a nice deep tone loud while it's in park and when driving I rarely go above 55mph. 45mph even...

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  10 месяцев назад +1

      @@joshsandoval7691 really appreciate that man!

    • @joshsandoval7691
      @joshsandoval7691 10 месяцев назад

      @@SpeedCultureStudios appreciate you more! Thank you for everything!

  • @kiddsabful
    @kiddsabful 4 года назад +1

    setup didn't work on 3.0 red sport, well at least the shop said it wouldn't really work so I just installed the resonators and did a muffler del. VR30 definitely much quieter than VQ37 so even with muff delete still fairly quiet. Any suggestions?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      I don’t know why it wouldn’t work. You may have had to remove the cross brace but I’m pretty sure it would work.
      Do I have any suggestions for what?

  • @alphav1537
    @alphav1537 4 года назад +1

    Please do a flame map at night plz!!

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      I need someone to film!

    • @alphav1537
      @alphav1537 4 года назад

      Speed Culture Studios just place it in a tripod or just have it laying on a curb

  • @SCUUZEM3
    @SCUUZEM3 4 года назад +1

    So im confused...you dont really mention test pipes? Your other video you only link muffler and the braided pipe and the flowfx muffler? Would that give me similar performance boost and sound quality with just those parts? Or should i also get test pipe like yours for the same performance and sound you have?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад +1

      That’s up to you. Test pipes give the most power, but you need a tune.

    • @SCUUZEM3
      @SCUUZEM3 4 года назад

      Speed Culture Studios which ones do you have?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      supererik123 top speed. But I’ve used manzo as well.

    • @jamisonstiebeling803
      @jamisonstiebeling803 4 месяца назад +1

      @@SpeedCultureStudios resonated or non resonated? i’m about to build this exhaust on my awd 3.7

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 месяца назад +1

      @@jamisonstiebeling803 my preference is resonated because it helps with drone but either is fine

  • @jesustirado743
    @jesustirado743 2 года назад +1

    I have 2014 q60s coupe awd ,,, do I need test pipes for this set up …………?????? I want same exact sound

  • @laz_4166
    @laz_4166 2 года назад +1

    Do you think it would sound the same with the magnaflow muffler? The borla one blown on me 3times😒 and i dont have a clue why

  • @randygonzalez2266
    @randygonzalez2266 2 года назад

    Do you have test pipes or long tube headers?

  • @guanacojdm
    @guanacojdm 3 года назад +1

    Would going with a 3 inch add any performance or make it louder?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад

      No and no.
      I’ve talked about this in other exhaust videos-check them out!
      The car does not need an exhaust larger than 2.5. Unless you’re going single exit, then 3” is correct. With a 3” dual you might make 1 hp more over 2.5 but you’d drop a couple lbs of torque.
      Now if you’re a tuned 3.0t pushing some good boost, then 3” would be good.

  • @burgos227
    @burgos227 4 года назад +1

    What do you think about nissan cutting Infiniti?!?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      They’ve been in trouble for awhile. They had to do something drastic to stop the bleeding -leave it to Nissan to make the wrong move haha

  • @davidclements9701
    @davidclements9701 4 года назад +1

    Where do I get test pipes? Which kinds should I get? Im looking for 2.5 inch

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      You won’t find anything other than 2.5” they are all decent except Megan racing

  • @jordanlittle380
    @jordanlittle380 2 года назад +1

    How can I do cat back or axle back without cel

  • @ZoiloYTz
    @ZoiloYTz 3 года назад +1

    What exactly did you do to it ? I want to do it too

  • @marcosmartinez8470
    @marcosmartinez8470 3 года назад +1

    Hey boss I have had this setup on my 2008 G37 for about a month now and I’ve noticed I do have heavy drone around 3rd gear and for some reason when I do rev I get a very high pitch sound towards the end. Any recommendations or tips you think I could do to try to match mine setup a little more to yours? I did swap for the upower instead of the flow master and I do have z1 test pipes

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад

      I’m not sure what you’re experiencing

    • @ekamvirk7599
      @ekamvirk7599 3 года назад +2

      Check for leaks at your flex pipes or your welds. A little leak could be a cause for the drone. Maybe get some j pipe resonator/helmholtz fabricated.

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  3 года назад +1

      @@ekamvirk7599 The high pitch sound he's mentioning is a little curious though.

    • @marcosmartinez8470
      @marcosmartinez8470 3 года назад

      @@ekamvirk7599 thank you brother I’ll keep you updated if it’s not resolved

  • @gregwilliams5441
    @gregwilliams5441 2 года назад +1

    Is it louder than a muffler delete?

  • @glizzyfd5118
    @glizzyfd5118 10 месяцев назад

    Is this obnoxiously loud? Or wake up neighbors loud

  • @isolatedgixxer
    @isolatedgixxer 3 года назад +1

    so is it loud if i want to go for a loud exhaust?

  • @user-ne2eb9dk1v
    @user-ne2eb9dk1v 5 месяцев назад +1

    Do I need Borla

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  5 месяцев назад

      Not necessarily. I’ve been recommending the magnaflow alternative because borla has had some quality issues lately

  • @zookinthe6ix461
    @zookinthe6ix461 4 года назад +2

    Go single exit for the next setup, or be a cheap bastard like myself and get a used gtr titanium oem exhaust - chop it up and get it on,

  • @chaseyriri
    @chaseyriri Год назад

    how loud is this compared to a muffler delete? currently running a muffler delete and i wanna be louder while keeping the nice tone

  • @jeremylemonde5960
    @jeremylemonde5960 3 года назад +1

    do you have your isr resonated test pipe on ?

  • @thesavage2105
    @thesavage2105 4 года назад +1

    Is this the red sport one ?

  • @ultra4288
    @ultra4288 4 года назад +1

    would this sound good on the 3t?

  • @ItsR1C3
    @ItsR1C3 4 года назад +2

    First!

  • @treyschlongz7706
    @treyschlongz7706 4 года назад +1

    What year is your Q50?

  • @danielmcglone3632
    @danielmcglone3632 4 года назад

    I just did the same setup and have lots of drone inside the cab why

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      No idea. You’re just not used to a good exhaust and have never heard what drone actually sounds like

    • @danielmcglone3632
      @danielmcglone3632 4 года назад

      Speed Culture Studios so you have it as well

  • @Go0ofygoober
    @Go0ofygoober 2 года назад

    Why did you tune it if you don’t have test pipes on it?

    • @Go0ofygoober
      @Go0ofygoober 2 года назад

      Also thanks for always responding. I’ve been a SCS member for almost 2 years now.

    • @Go0ofygoober
      @Go0ofygoober 2 года назад +1

      Love the content man!

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад

      Did anyone say I don’t have test pipes?

  • @juanmacias5215
    @juanmacias5215 4 года назад +1

    So I got the same setup but I noticed that they put the resonators literally touching the tip. They didn’t leave space between the tips and resonators.. it’s been about 2 days n I have to say it’s borderline too loud for me. No rasp, doesn’t sound like a trumpet my question to you is should I got back and have them space them out a bit or will it tone down by time ?

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      No moving it back won’t make any difference at all. I’m surprised you think it’s too loud lol.

    • @juanmacias5215
      @juanmacias5215 4 года назад

      I was getting use to stock exhaust with test pipes lol it doesn’t sound bad

  • @HANDLER5566
    @HANDLER5566 Год назад

    how much would this cost

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  Год назад

      Parts plus labor. Check with your local shop for an estimate. Labor these days can range from $400-800

  • @bn4241
    @bn4241 4 года назад +1

    Can someone teach me how to do a proper burnout ahhaha

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  4 года назад

      Only if you have tires you’re willing to burn up. If not, then you just have to do a couple small ones.

    • @bn4241
      @bn4241 4 года назад

      @@SpeedCultureStudios I have a new set of Falken FK510

  • @zxck1578
    @zxck1578 2 года назад

    Any cheaper alternatives to the Borla xs

    • @SpeedCultureStudios
      @SpeedCultureStudios  2 года назад +1

      the magnaflow that is linked. There are certain dual in/dual out mufflers out there of a similar design that are cheaper in price. The problem is that the packing materials are not the same nor as well packed so they do not absorb the rasp like the boral does.