I have been using the R6 for 2 years now. I have zero interest in upgrading or losing $500 on selling my R6. I have some L glass and enjoying its full potential. Video is still decent. There will always be new bodies to upgrade to. Mastering the camera in your hand is the key
Was there no grain to be seen ? I put 3200 on my RP and I already know it, and at 6400 I can see it completely :/ but up to 3200 it's absolutely perfect, but for darker scenes I have to remove noise, so I'm thinking about R6 or R8
@@SShaBazzzthat’s a myth between these cameras. A newer high resolution sensor can be cleaner than an older lower resolution sensor. It’s a combination of sensor and processor.
Just got an R8, upgrading from a 90D. The R6 Mk2 must be great of course, but if you're not a pro it's hard to argue spending the extra 1k. Great video as usual.
I got the r8, and now doing professional work. In the last 2 months ive upgraded to r6mii and i will agree 100% with you, if you dont do professional work, there is not a whole lot of point in getting the r6mii over the r8
Your videos have been so much help, I upgraded my 5D mk1 and got an R6 mk2 and I think I went a little overkill LOL I went from driving a fishing boat to commanding an aircraft carrier. The thing is learning to let the camera have some control because, today, it's so good at it. My brain is still back in 2005 when the 5D came out and you never let the camera out of it's cage. You kept the reins on and always told it what to do. The auto iso and the minimum shutter speed in Av mode are an insane help for maco. The zebra while manual focusing - WOW those alone...
@@davey3765 Keep that 5D, by the way. Keeps you humble. Use it from time to time as a reminder that you make the pictures, not the camera! I'm still impressed by the picture quality of mine. Even if it's hard to use, and it's fun to bring along to a group of bird photographers as a bit of a joke.
I think the R8 is going to be a lot of people's first full frame camera, and also a lot of people's first R series camera. I am sure Canon will sell the shit out of them. Considering it's price point will almost certainly put a dent in the used price of the R6mki, I am actually advising still shooters to look for good deals on that instead. The two card slots, bigger battery, IBIS, full mechanical shutter, and better build quality by themselves are worth the couple hundred or so extra dollars it will cost to find a good used R6 instead, at least for the time being. I just do not think 40fps is really that practical; shooting at 20fps already left me with so many shots to cull that it drove me nuts (even 12fps, same deal). I doubt the 4mp higher res will ever matter. I feel like most of the AF improvements are things that will only matter in very specific kinds of shooting, I never had trouble getting most my shots in focus on the R6mki (making that flood of photos to cull even more of a hairpulling scenario). But still, the R8 is going to be a home run for Canon. It's got a friendly price tag on a full frame camera that is very capable, and stands out well above the aging R and RP (neither of which had very strong AF for any kind of action, the R8 will smoke them both). Get the adapter with it so you can utilize EF lenses, the 24mp isn't likely to out resolve many if any of them. That opens your door to lens selection significantly. I do agree about the video specs, save for the missing IBIS. That is a toss up for people that need stabilized video. Those that don't, the R8 is a no brainer over the R6mki if video is your focus. I took a pass on the R6mkii basically because I don't think it will improve what I do with it. That faster readout speed is probably the only thing that I might find a benefit from. Everything else I felt was too little for my own use. If it had been a BSI sensor with everything else it is for that 2499, that would have been an instant buy for me. As is, I think I'm good. But if anyone was looking to put some money into something new, didn't have any of the above and the R5 was def off the table, I would probably say go ahead and put the extra money into the mkii, if for no other reason because you might get that "oh I wish I had gotten the latest and greatest" feeling at some point. Which I have seen people have, even when what they do doesn't really require it, they still want for what they could have had instead. If that is you, the R6mkII will do you well. Until you decide you want the R5 LOL, I see you back there! 🤣
I just bought my R8 as im very new to photography and its a great price point with a great sensor. Im hoping the lack of IBIS is fine as the lenses i bought have IS. It really looks great to me
@@nicks8484by right, if ur lens have ibis, there shouldnt be a noticeable issue, unless additional ibis of body can make a different. But then if ohotography is the primary uses, u shld be fine
@@ralphsaad8637 Ermmm....let me guess you ignore the non L lineup and just complain RF L lenses are expensive? RF16mm and RF50/1.8 are as cheap as many 3rd party lenses. RF24/35/85/600/800 non L lenses are all stabilize better than Sony/Nikon/Fuji IBIS and lightweight. Their counterparts either not stabilized&3rd party, or don't have anything to match up with RF. RF24-105STM and RF-S 18-150 are ok for Kit lens. Getting sharp images by 1/2 shutter speed is easily doable. RF100-400 looks dark but amazing performer that puts traditional 70-300&100-400 into shame in daylight. And since these 70-300&100-400 are not useful in low light, why not pick a cheaper&lighter option. Only RF-S 18-45, 55-210 and RF15-30 are bad enough to receive all the criticism they have.
I like the R6m2 IBIS because I'm an old guy who gets the yips now and then. My 40+ year Canon journy... AE1P, T5i, RP, R6m2. All served me well. Informative video, thanks Jared.
Yeah! And when needed just use the ENHANCE feature in Adobe Camera Raw to upscale. I've done side by sides with the R5 using the same lenses (85 RF 1.2) and the upscaled R6 files often look significantly better than the 45 MP R5 files. I've also printed 8MP 1D2N files on billboards and buses and the images look amazing!
True but it cannot be cropped like EOS-M m6ii 32mp. With this camera you need to carry half of the lenses of R6. And it can use the ultra sharp tiny Sigmas that do not fit on the RF.
@@barkan86 Lol. A sharp lens is a sharp lens, doesn't matter. I own lenses that resolve way more than 20MP on full-frame. A smaller sensor may give you more pixels, but less texture details. And again, if you need to crop significantly, the issue is not the resolution of the camera, it's poor technique. 20MP on full-frame allow you to print up to A3+ (13x19") at 300ppi without upscaling. How is that not enough?
Got myself R6mk2 some time ago and about month back was taking photos of Willow Grouse that looks like a snowball in middle of snowy field and the eye AF was still locking perfectly on the eye of the bird. I Love my R6mk2 for the reason that you can enjoy taking excellent photos with it knowing that it just works like you would want it to.
I bought a R62 because I'm coming from a 5d3. My friend is also coming from a 5d4 but went with the R8. People got to understand that the caveats for the R8 are very serious. He's already fairly unhappy, because the camera is already overheating and he's had it for only 2 weeks. We live in a not particularly hot climate, and of course you're going to want to shoot 4K 60. This is enough to send the R8 into a tailspin of battery life. There's no grip or you would have to hack on a grip. The accessories you buy you have to be careful of blocking your battery port. You also need to consider external power sources which is going to cost you even more money and can potentially be unreliable. Then you have buffer issues that will limit your action shots. The caveat add up very fast and people just looking at list and are not super experienced with cameras are going to get bitten by this very badly. Just the battery life alone can be a massive issue depending on what you're trying to shoot. I'm not interested in battery issues and thankfully the R62 has better battery life than the older R6, sometimes patience is a virtue if you can. But then the caveat for me is that the AF has been fairly awful overall. So between myself and this friend, we're not really having fun with Cann on bodies right now.
After seeing what Canon added from the R6 to the Mk2, and what they have in the R8, I"m extremely excited to see what they have in the R5 Mk2 when announced.
Can't wait to see the comparison between the R7 and the R8. I do skateboarding photography. I currently own a 7D Mark II I bought back in 2015, a canon 24-105 f4, canon 70-200 F4 (non-IS), canon 50mm f1.8, and a Rokinon 8mm f3.5 fisheye.
I'm a full-time commercial photographer who almost never shoots sports. The R6 is all I need right now. I've been using it for 1.5 years and plan to use it at least another year or two. Now I may sell my Mk IV and get an R8, though, to have that as my second camera. Canon is giving us a ton of options, and it seems like only a few days ago that all we had was the kinda crappy R.
I have left this comment before, but here it goes again. If you turn off the auto clean sensor when powering off the camera, it is pretty instant with the shutter covering the sensor.
Superb video; the best I've come across so far delineating the differences between the three cameras, with clear examples of, for example, how the 1/4000 shutter speed is significant compared to 1/8000.
The best part about these new cameras coming out is that the old ones become so crazy cheap. I recently bought a used R6 with an extra legit battery and a grip for $1300
23:14 Correction. The R6 Mark II does NOT weigh 588g. This is a typo on the BH website. The R6 Mark II with battery is 670g (vs 680g on the R6). The 588 refers to the completely empty camera.
I went from the R7 to the R6ii recently. And honestly it comes down to what you need it for. I tend to shoot at night hand held so IBIS helps a bit. I can say I was kinda considering the R8 but the dual card slots and having a LPE6NH already made it handy. Bottom line I’d say depends on what you’re shooting.
I just bought an R7 because I couldn't swing the extra $1000 for the R6 II at this time and I wanted the extra features that are lacking on the R8. But, I know that when I do upgrade, I can use the same batteries in an R6 II (or III if that's out when I'm ready, or a used R5 if they are available when I'm ready).
I'm totally in agreement. I went the opposite way and went from an R5 to the R7. It is far more suitable for what I do, (macro, astro, birding etc.). I find the IQ is fairly comparable. Actually, I felt like the colors and shadows on the R5 were a little weird.
también tuve una r7, pasé a r6 y creo que ha sido la mejor decisión que he tomado. Pero ahora muestran la r6 ii y la r8, pero son cámaras capadas o potenciadas en cosas que no son debilidades en la r6. Una cámara sin IBIS te obliga a comprar ópticas estabilizadas, ya me imagino a un fotógrafo deportivo sin ibis y lente sin estabilizar y sin trípode. La R8 está buena seguramente para una cámara de estudio.
This exactly what I'm doing. I'm going from wildlife to more action, sports, events photography (out of necessity). I think the fact that everything I have for the R7 made this decision that much easier. I can take both with me if I have to and not need any extra gear.
@@inukisoft yo soy un fotographo deportivo y el ibis no es necessario, las fotos se toman en 1/1000 de segundo oh 1/2000 de segundo, la velocidad es muy rapida
hi Jared. The best comparison video. You helped me choose between R8 or R6 ii. I will go with R8. I liked the point that we can invest the extra 1k on glasses.. I have been trying to decide between these two for last 1 month and now I am clear to go with R8. Thanks bunch
I've been wanting a R6 mk2 for some time now but it's quite price. I'm really glad I found your video. It will definitely be the R8 for me as an upgrade to my 90D .
It's incredible how unlike other reviewers you push the cameras in real life scenarios. 🤓 The R8 is incredible for its price but the RF lens price makes me cry. 😅
I've just gone from a 1dx mkii to a R6 mkii and I have to say it is incredible, I am getting so many more keepers and it has given me a lot more confidence. Love it!!!
Thanks for the review… one thing you can add as a positive for the r8… you can use it on the smaller gimbals that use phones, cause if it’s light weight, such as the crane
The big area where IBIS has proven a must have feature is shooting wildlife handheld with long telephoto's. Canon has made these available at extremely low prices. The RF 100-400, and RF 600 & 800mm have made everything from tiny birds to elephants now withing the price most photographers never dreamed they could afford. If wildlife is something you plan on shooting and can't afford the R6 Mark II, then I'd definitely give the R6 a check mark over the R8. For everything else, the R8 is a compelling choice.
As you say: the nice extra thing is that the R6 is a bit older, and because of that it can be picked up second hand for the same price as a new R8! That will get you 7 stops of IBIS and the bigger battery for the price of a mild bit of use, as such cameras are typically taken excellent care off.
Actually thinking about picking R6 for $1300 with less thank 15K on the shutter. While I shoot professionally, I am not full time. I see used R6II for $2100. I don't shoot action, just events and I think R6 will do it for me for now. I already have an R.
As an amateur landscape/astroscape photographer I don't care about the frames/s, the IBIS or about the video capabilities. I only care about the dynamic range, signal/noise ratio in low light and weight. That's why I consider upgrading my old (but excellent) Canon 6D to a Canon R8. My only concern is the small battery but I can live with that and carry a 2nd battery.
I did upgrade to the 6mii, even after watching a number of these comparison video's.... After 2 weeks, for the shooting I do, the Mark ii is a significant upgrade... I shoot sports and landscapes. In shooting sports, the focus is much faster and is better at staying on the subject. Same lens for both cameras Canon 70-200 2.6 L mii, Canon 100-400 L 4.5-5.6 mii, 24-70 2.8 mii... In my use case, the mii is a major upgrade... Because I already had a bunch of bigger batteries, I didn't even consider the R8...
Great review. Pricing is different here in Europe. R8 being 1799 euros, and R6 being 1999 euros (200 euro difference between them) R6 mk2 costing 2899 euros. So R6II is 900 euros above the R6, and 1100 euros above the R8. I will probably buy the original R6.
The burst comparison is a bit wrong. If you dial down the R6mk2 and R8 to 20fps you get the double the number and then R6mk2 is basically the same as the R6. Also R6 mk2 has only clog3 no clog1. Great video!
Can you dial down the burst rate on the R8 to something between 40fps and 10pms? Nobody can seem to answer this. I don’t want 40, but 6 is generally to slow for my surf action photography. Or would an R6 be better? Thanks.
Thanks for the quick answer. I’ll probably go with the R8 if that’s the case. 10-12 is what I’d really like which gives better buffer figures and not a ridiculous amount of shots to delete or fill up the computer and iCloud etc😂
I just bought a used R6 and I'm very happy with it so far. Now I'm not a video shooter, and I moved up from an APSC DSLR fo the R6 is light years ahead of my last camera.
I recently had to upgrade my Canon 30D that I was using for sports photography from soccer, football, baseball and wrestling. I purchased the R6 as my upgrade and have been nothing but satisfied. My be looking for a second camera for more sports shooting. Thanks for the information. 👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽
I have a R6 and a R5 and im honestly super inpressed by the R8. Considering getting a used one just to keep on hand at all times to capture stuff in the moment
I have both the R6 and the R8 for shooting music videos. The R8 is surprisingly good. The only downside for me is the SD card in the battery compartment.
I got the R6 Mark II in December and it's the best camera I've ever used in 18 years of photography. I did a LOT of researching on the R6 and A7IV and preferred the R6. When the R6 Mark II came out it was a no brainer to get as it was cheaper than the A7IV and the same price as the R6!
@denis Not as good quality? That is quite debatable. The native lenses are usually just as expensive as well. Sony does have a huge advantage however in terms of third party options with Tamron, Sigma, Samyang and many others.
@@ralphsaad8637 If you take the rf 50 1.2 it's more bigger and heavier than the gm 50 1.2 the autofocus is a slow autofocus and you can see the glass moving like 15 year Ago the 50 gm is much sharper and better corrected and the price is higher ans it's the same for every lens ( like 35 1.8 85 f2 slow noisy autofocus and price much higher than the 85 1.8 Sony and 35 1.8 ) and it's like that for 95% of the canon lens
@@denis5850 lol. The Canon 50 f1.2 is fantastic. I'm sure the Sony is good as well. It definitely would not be the difference maker between which camera system I purchased.
Thank you for this video. As a sports photographer for my local college and using 2 R6's, I have been considering moving up to the MKii but for now, I think I will wait it out. If you're reading this, keep in mind that not all lenses are supported in those super fast mechanical shutter speeds. For example, the R6 will not get 12fps with an adapted 70-200mm f2.8 non-IS lens. That is just one lens it doesn't support. Found out the hard way.
True! Only RF lenses can get you the full performances of the R6. It's the same thing with some autofocus settings in video which are unavailable with some ef lenses
@@IAF1900 you can get the full performance with adapted lenses. They just need to be on the supported list. But luckily I’ve not missed out on anything AF wise with my lenses.
I've been loving my R6II. It feels sturdy but not oversized or bulky, and it shoots as well as I could need for anything that I do. The resolution is also perfect for quality images without having crazy file sizes.
I am currently thinking of upgrading from my full frame DSLR Canon 6D mark ii to the R8 or the R6 (can't afford the 6R mark ii at this point). I am a very frequent hiker and traveler and I shoot like way too many many pics on my trips. I want to get rid of the DSLR weight and move into the mirrorless technology. At this point I want to add that I will also have to use an adaptor since I already use the Tamron 24-70 2.8 lens on my full frame and due to the fact that a a new lens of this quality and specs costs way too much now for me. I would like to mention that I almost never ever go out without my backpack when I travel, which means that I always carry like 2 extra batteries or extra SD cards, I am clarifying this just because of the fact mentioned that the R8 does not have the 2 SD slots and not the battery the R6 does. Both cameras have the same price currently in my country so that's why any kind of extra tip is very welcome. Also to be noted, I never shoot videos, like almost 0, I always use my GoPro for that when I am on the mountains, I only enjoy shooting wildlife, landscapes and the aurora borealis since I m visiting Norway like 3 times per year. Thank you all guys for help in advance!!
Still getting great shots with my Pentax K3-IiI . Can't see any reason to switch to mirrorless as it nails everything I throw at it and it's amazing in low light.
Currently own the 90D and R6. I sometimes think of selling my 90D for an R7 but honestly I really love the battery life on the 90D and don't want to lose that. I often take my cameras camping for 3+ days at a time without a place to charge them and the short battery life on the R6 compared to the 90D is one reason why I haven't sold my 90D yet. And yes, I always carry extra batteries, but I'd rather not use them if I can help it.
The battery life is a function of all the stuff these mirrorless cameras do, including powering the EVF and LCD, the ultra high burst rates, uncropped 4K video with C Log 3, etc. Just pack a few extra batteries. You should get a day per battery unless you're really pushing it. It's totally worth it.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto I totally understand, I do use my R6 pretty regularly and I love all the features, especially IBIS and the eye-tracking autofocus. I take hundreds of pictures per day sometimes, so I find that the batteries don't last me very long. I often have to replace my fully charged battery after just one day, and I only own three batteries, so I would rather rest assured knowing those three batteries will last me roughly 7 days in my 90D compared to 2-3 days. So if battery life were to improve by a little I would absolutely commit fully to mirrorless for backpacking and whatnot.
Between the 6M2 and the R8, that's a rough one. Better image stabilization, dual sd card slots, longer battery life. The dual card slot adds piece of mind not only from cards "blowing up" but more realistically losing a card or accidentally deleting it. Leaving one in the camera provides a backup. I also like lending a card to a friend or colleague for them to process the footage.
I shoot for a living and have a couple R6's and an R6II, shooting weddings, Mitzvahs and events. When I grab equipment to go to work I really don't care if I pick up either one there isn't enough difference to matter. You can buy a refurb R6 from Canon today for $1889 and if I needed another body that's what I'd buy over the R6II. I always use grips mostly because the battery life on mirrorless cameras isn't great compared to the 5DIII's I used for years, and I wouldn't use a camera at a wedding that didn't have dual card slots like the R8. I don't do video so any comparison there is pointless for me.
Very useful review as these cameras are close in many respects but different in others. I was considering an R7 but may upgrade to an R8 for the better low light shooting which is a plus. One card slot is no big deal. The Sandisk Pro SDs have never failed me in 10 years, provided the user formats the card regularly before using them. Electronic stabilization looks good enough for video use, and I use a monopod for wedding video use. Coming from me using an 80D, an R8 would be an upgrade also.
Honestly the R6 has been an absolutely perfect camera for me. Nearly all the minor improvements in the Mark 2 -could- be achieved via firmware. The extra money for the Mark 2 could be applied towards one of the F/1.2 lenses 😊
Yes. They improved the R5 dramatically simply with firmware, but for similar (or even less) improvements in the R6, they expect you to buy a whole new camera.
@@alansach8437 I get where you're coming from with the r5 but the changes made to the r6m2 involve a few key hardware changes that really give it the edge over the r6. the newer sensor adapted down from the r3 allows its autofocus to be better overall, mostly noticable I've found in tougher action situations. Plus of course the physical switch from Photo to Video, which as someone who shoots both is a nice change from having to go through multiple menu settings each time. Additionally with some of the hardware changes as well as software changes the mark 2 is about 60% more efficient on the same battery, much longer lifetime on one charge... All these things combined along with smaller things like faster sensor readout, the 40fps shooting (incredible at this price point), mean that for me as someone who shoots fast paced sports and wildlife, the r6 has gone from a camera I wouldn't really consider buying at all, to the Mark 2 as a great camera that now excells at a lot of my needs. But this is just based on my needs. Both cameras are still great!
And you‘ve never experienced R8. You’d say, “I think my R8 is better because light weighted, conpact, same peformance in movie auto focusing, nice sensor with 1000$ cheaper price!!!”
Got the R6 mark ii, used it already and is amazing! Only warning, it rattles when off, IBIS it’s something Canon knows and it doesn’t rattle when switched on! Shot sports indoor and amazing auto focus when shooting lacrosse
As a wedding photographer, i'd buy the R6 used. Should i pay 500$ or even worse 800$ for an upgrade from R6? for 4mp more and better burst in silent mode? NO As for the R8 The lack of IBIS, one card slot and small battery are 3 major negative factors for me. I dont use video at all but IBIS can be used creatively in photography and use it a lot. So R6 is the best choice for me. (Same digic X and DPAF II tech in all three, with some firmware tweaks.)
If you don't use video at all the R6 is great, since its greatest weakness is the binary nature of its video shooting, either full manual or full auto. I shoot wedding videos and going from bright to dark spaces while recording is a regular occurrence, and have the camera compensate for that with only the lens aperture is invaluable
@@jacopoabbruscato9271Pros use manual video anyway.. having a changing shutter speed during video is nuts. Talk about eye fatigue. You use double the framerate for shutter, aperture for the look, and the iso can do what it needs.
Great video as always. I know you want to keep the time down but you speak very fast so when referring ti the cameras please say the names. Sometimes when you say “these two camera” its difficult to know what you are referring to especially when we are listening without watching. I will be jumping from a Canon 80D to the R6MKII. Shooting live concerts and Music Videos. Thanks
I have a canon rebel 7ti that was a gift from my parents like 8 years ago and I’ve been trying to go a more “professional” route. I’m leaning towards the r8 which I can get rn for $1399 with the starter lens it comes with. Plus I save $1000 which I can use for 1 or 2 extra lenses
Hi Jared, thank you for a great video and I'm a new subscriber. I'm in the midst of upgrading my Canon 80D to a full frame camera. I'm convinced after your review that moving up to the R8 is the best move for me with many of the R6 II innards and for less the cost. The deficiencies are not a concern for me. Will definitely use the cash saved for some great new glass. What RF lenses would you recommend for the R8?
Haven’t watched the video yet but I’ve been watching Jared forever. I don’t think he has ever suggesting buying older tech. It’s always the newest is the best. Let’s see 🍿
Im from canada and saving $1k for the r8 is awesome. I also needed a b cam for blogging. No ibis didn’t matter because i shout with r5C and the enhance stabe is more than enough
We are looking to upgrade from our RP to a more professional body and mark II looks amazing. We need the redundancy now. Thanks for another amazing video and I sure wish the r8 had 2 slots
I'm an astrophotographer and the best lenses available right now in this field are from Samyang. Canon mirrorless cameras are not compatible with the Samyang XP lenses. In my case I made the mistake of purchasing the R6 Mii, only to discover I could not use my lenses, a 2300 dollars mistake. you can mount the lens on the camera through the almost EF compatible adapter, press the shutter and the camera crashes pitifully, only solution is to remove the battery. I could use them on my old Canon 6D, so believed they would also work on the R series. At least they should advertise that their cameras are not compatible with other brands. So the answer to the question is... buy a Sony camera. If Canon believe they are like Apple, and you should only purchase Canon lenses, then they should offer high quality lenses, at a decent price. It's just that right now, Canon lenses are usually quite poor when used at full aperture, and much more expensive than the Samyang lenses. Canon 85mm F/1.2 : 2600$, Samyang 800$, Canon 50mm F/1.2 : 2100$, Samyang 700$ Canon 14mm F/2.8 :2100$, Rokinon (same as Samyang) 14mm F/2.4 800$. I haven't tried the Canon lenses, I own the Samyang ones, and I can use them at full aperture with sharp images. I once used a Canon 85mm F/1.2 and it had a huge chromatic aberration at full aperture. In preparation for a trip to Iceland, to shoot aurora borealis, I purchased a Canon 24mm F/1.4. Turned out it gave catastrophic images in the corners. I sent it back to Canon, they replied that the lens was correct, and that if I wanted sharp images I had to stop down to F/4, and that's clearly why I paid 1500 dollars. So bought a Samyang lens which gives good images and have never used the Canon lemon.
currently have an EOS RP- mainly shooting sports (football and volleyball) - looking to upgrade- R6 Mark II or R8; they seem almost identical. i'm leaning towards R8 with nice glass after watching your videos. I'm just a hobby shooter- but might like to try to do some sports portraits on the side.
I wonder if you could use a dual SD Card in the R8 and save on both at the same time? Maybe with Magic Lantern? Sony makes the MS Pro Duo SD Card adapters which contains two micro SD cards. So technically it should be possible to make a one slot camera a dual slot camera. Another thing. You can set the camera to wifi mode and let it transfer all photos to your iPad or the like. Then you get a backup while only having one card slot.
The weight comparison was not done properly. The R6 & R8's reported weights are with the battery, SD card, and cap. The R6 MK II actually weighs 670g with the battery, SD card, and cap. It only weighs 588g without the battery, SD card, and cap.
coming from a 5D mk iii which is still amazing, but wanting to move up, the R8 seems like a huge step up and the R6 i/ii is overkill. obviously when it comes to a D waving contest you lose out but a few extra grand in your pocket or some more glass is a better option when your client wont notice the difference.
I have two 5D MK III's that have the dreaded ERR30 message. I'm going to upgrade to the R8. Pretty close to the same features as the R6 mk II but with no mechanical shutter. :)
What if I can pick up an R6 for a few hundred less than an R8? Would it still be difficult to point folks to the R6 (instead of the R8)? Thing is, I currently own an RP but simply don't really like the handling - I much prefer the handling and button/dial lay out of my old 6D and I feel like the R6 is way closer. Also wouldn't mind a bump in image quality compared to the RP.
This is perfect, I’ve had the R6 since release, thinking of upgrading and making my R6 the second body. Or buying the R8 and making that my second body
I just recently upgraded from canon700d to r6 mark 2 what a difference they are the quality of photo is amazing with the auto focus. I got the r6mark2 as a deal so it was the body and lens (24-105mm f4) for £3800 along with an extra battery and adaptor control ring. The r6mark2 can go a lower iso (50iso) if you adjust the range of the iso on the settings it will show L on the camera. There is a first electronic curtain that can do 1/8000 of a second. I tried a sigma 105mm macro f2.8 plus adaptor be careful when focusing this lens as you can see the inner surroundings of the lens recommend to use the canon rf macro lenes to not see the inner surroundings of the lens, but overall this camera is a beast.
I'm still using an R, and since getting it have slowly swapped my EF L lenses for RF L lenses. I solely shoot landscapes/nature and sometimes wildlife. It's often a slower process than shooting weddings, portraits or sports, so a lot of things people scream about (2 card slots, fast frame rate, IBIS, etc) simply don't matter very much to me. The R is getting a bit long in the tooth, and the newer models have many more features. While I was all set to buy a R6MkII, I have since decided to instead go for the R8, especially after watching this video. It's smaller size and weight, and as Jared noted, almost all the same features as the R6MkII - and $1,000 cheaper- make it the right choice for me.
For landscapes and studio portraits, the EOS R remains the best choice. For what you do, the best option is EOS R and R5. And for your type of photography, you wouldn't even need to switch from EFs to RFs. Unless your EFs lenses were old. Lenses like EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III, EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS III have the same qualities as the RF versions.
@@michelecintramika8482 Thanks for telling me what you think works best for me, but I've thought this through. Since I didn't have those EF lenses, that also doesn't matter to me much. The EF 17-40L I did have is a pretty old design, so swapping it out for the RF 14-35L was a huge improvement. Swapping the EF 100L macro for the RF version has been mostly a wash, but it takes up less space in my bag (although getting better than life-size is intriguing). I swapped the EF 24-105L for the RF version a while back, since it was unwieldy as a walk around lens when coupled with an adapter. The only lens I won't swap out any time soon is the EF 100-400 II L, since I don't use it that often and the RF version is far too expensive. The R5 was on my radar, but also too expensive for something I'll get maybe 4 years out of. Meanwhile, while the R8/ R6MkII are fewer megapixels than the R, the DIGIC X processor more than makes up for it. The R is far too slow to process HDR images, something the R6 varieties do much faster. Pretty sure I've made a good decision. My R8 is being delivered in the morning.
@@HikingBob You said you do studio and landscape photography. In these cases you will always use the base ISO. So at base ISO it won't make a difference between EOS R, R8, R6/M2, R5 and R3. They are all the same at base ISO. And for your type of work you could have used the Dual Pixel Raw option for more refined editing. The advantage of the R8 and R6 M2 is better quality at high ISO and autofocus on animals. But you shoot landscape in the studio where you use base ISO and you need more megapixels. So either you would go for the R5 or stay on the EOS R. Got it?
@@michelecintramika8482 Ummm .. I never said I shoot both studio and landscape. In fact, I said I shoot solely landscape. Also, while I do shoot at basa ISO as much as possible, I often have to shoot at high ISO's, such as for night scapes. So a newer body does make sense for me. Got it?
@@HikingBob If it's a photograph of the stars, it makes sense. Because the better the high ISO, the more quality the photo file will have. Any other landscape, just tripod and low ISO with long exposure is all you need.
I would go for Canon M50 mark iii as I already have bunch of lenses in that system and I am happy with the small size of the camera. Sadly there is no such camera on the horizon. R50 uses RF lenses and I can't use my favourite sigma 16mm f1.4.
I have a 6D and M50 and now an R6. I love buying EF L glass that I adapt to all 3 cameras. Granted, I also have some great RF glass, but I'm happy either way...
Been using Canon 6D since 2013. Now its time to upgrade. Wanted R6MII but couldn't afford at this moment. Considering either R8 or Original R6. R8 really nice but small battery might be a problem since I've few LPE6 battery already. R8 priced at 1554usd in my country and R6 mark 1 priced at 1820usd with EF adapter & 2 64GB cards...Now im going for R6 mark 1
We had those years when Canon lagged on features and performance and they wielded the infamous "cripple hammer" but, now, those of us who remained faithful to the brand are being well rewarded. I just wish that the R7 (amazing camera) had been a true replacement for the 7D. They still have a gap for a pro-standard crop camera in their range for us wildlife shooters.
And the Sony cripple hammer is falling mightily on their cameras with 2005 level LCD screens, and no real firmware support, and even their R6 Mark II competitor A7IV has crippled/cropped 4K.
@@pipedlplara4792 how so? The R7 has better af better frame rates and it’s able to use sharper lenses combined w ef lenses. 7d won’t be able to match up. Only issue is rolling shutter for silent shooting but it’s something 7d can’t even do back then
@@Redboxstud Back in the day, the 7D2 felt almost exactly like the 5D series in the hand and in use. The R7 should have been more like the R5/6, just cropped.
Jared, I am a hobbyist, who may one day dabble in do some outdoor family portraits on the side for some money. But I mostly likely will just be an all around hobbyist. Would you say the R8 would be my best bet? I am hung up on the dual sd card slots. I will never be a wedding photographer where I think 2 sd card slots is a requirement. Battery life doesn’t both me as batteries are cheap. And all my lens have image stabilization. I appreciate the feedback.
This video is going to be crucial for me I think as I make my decision on basically these 3. Currently leaning towards trying to wait for a used/refurb R6. I don't shoot video at all, and don't plan to. For me as someone who will be hiking with this camera I'm thinking I will benefit most from IBIS by not having to also carry a tripod, save for dedicated photography hikes where I want to be able to set up and wait. Coming from a 6D my biggest motivation is the modern software. My 6D makes getting sharp images of my toddler difficult to the point I just use my phone, but sometimes I use my Canon and my goodness the quality is astounding, in comparison, when I can wrangle that focus.
I have been using the R6 for 2 years now. I have zero interest in upgrading or losing $500 on selling my R6. I have some L glass and enjoying its full potential. Video is still decent. There will always be new bodies to upgrade to. Mastering the camera in your hand is the key
Same here!
EOS R8 for me since I'm just a hobbyist.
Upgrading from EOS 77d.
I have an R6, i pushed the ISO to 16k-20k a few weeks ago because the lighting was almost non-existent, no issues whatsoever. The photos were perfect
I think it's because of the 20 megapixels instead of the 24. Because it's 20, the pixels are bigger which gives more light with less effort.
Was there no grain to be seen ? I put 3200 on my RP and I already know it, and at 6400 I can see it completely :/ but up to 3200 it's absolutely perfect, but for darker scenes I have to remove noise, so I'm thinking about R6 or R8
@@MrRaduso у меня был RP, я так же снимал с ИСО до 6400. Я купил R8 и снимаю до 25600.
@@SShaBazzzthat’s a myth between these cameras. A newer high resolution sensor can be cleaner than an older lower resolution sensor. It’s a combination of sensor and processor.
Rp is worse inlow light than the r7 unfortunately@@MrRaduso
Just got an R8, upgrading from a 90D. The R6 Mk2 must be great of course, but if you're not a pro it's hard to argue spending the extra 1k. Great video as usual.
I got the r8, and now doing professional work. In the last 2 months ive upgraded to r6mii and i will agree 100% with you, if you dont do professional work, there is not a whole lot of point in getting the r6mii over the r8
Your videos have been so much help, I upgraded my 5D mk1 and got an R6 mk2 and I think I went a little overkill LOL I went from driving a fishing boat to commanding an aircraft carrier. The thing is learning to let the camera have some control because, today, it's so good at it. My brain is still back in 2005 when the 5D came out and you never let the camera out of it's cage. You kept the reins on and always told it what to do. The auto iso and the minimum shutter speed in Av mode are an insane help for maco. The zebra while manual focusing - WOW those alone...
@@davey3765 Keep that 5D, by the way. Keeps you humble. Use it from time to time as a reminder that you make the pictures, not the camera! I'm still impressed by the picture quality of mine. Even if it's hard to use, and it's fun to bring along to a group of bird photographers as a bit of a joke.
I think the R8 is going to be a lot of people's first full frame camera, and also a lot of people's first R series camera. I am sure Canon will sell the shit out of them. Considering it's price point will almost certainly put a dent in the used price of the R6mki, I am actually advising still shooters to look for good deals on that instead. The two card slots, bigger battery, IBIS, full mechanical shutter, and better build quality by themselves are worth the couple hundred or so extra dollars it will cost to find a good used R6 instead, at least for the time being. I just do not think 40fps is really that practical; shooting at 20fps already left me with so many shots to cull that it drove me nuts (even 12fps, same deal). I doubt the 4mp higher res will ever matter. I feel like most of the AF improvements are things that will only matter in very specific kinds of shooting, I never had trouble getting most my shots in focus on the R6mki (making that flood of photos to cull even more of a hairpulling scenario). But still, the R8 is going to be a home run for Canon. It's got a friendly price tag on a full frame camera that is very capable, and stands out well above the aging R and RP (neither of which had very strong AF for any kind of action, the R8 will smoke them both). Get the adapter with it so you can utilize EF lenses, the 24mp isn't likely to out resolve many if any of them. That opens your door to lens selection significantly.
I do agree about the video specs, save for the missing IBIS. That is a toss up for people that need stabilized video. Those that don't, the R8 is a no brainer over the R6mki if video is your focus.
I took a pass on the R6mkii basically because I don't think it will improve what I do with it. That faster readout speed is probably the only thing that I might find a benefit from. Everything else I felt was too little for my own use. If it had been a BSI sensor with everything else it is for that 2499, that would have been an instant buy for me. As is, I think I'm good. But if anyone was looking to put some money into something new, didn't have any of the above and the R5 was def off the table, I would probably say go ahead and put the extra money into the mkii, if for no other reason because you might get that "oh I wish I had gotten the latest and greatest" feeling at some point. Which I have seen people have, even when what they do doesn't really require it, they still want for what they could have had instead. If that is you, the R6mkII will do you well. Until you decide you want the R5 LOL, I see you back there! 🤣
I just bought my R8 as im very new to photography and its a great price point with a great sensor. Im hoping the lack of IBIS is fine as the lenses i bought have IS. It really looks great to me
@@nicks8484by right, if ur lens have ibis, there shouldnt be a noticeable issue, unless additional ibis of body can make a different. But then if ohotography is the primary uses, u shld be fine
R6 Mark II all the way. Pre burst is a game changer. IBIS and dual card slots are essential.
IBIS isn't essential for Canon cameras. RF lens IS is doing a better job than Sony Nikon Fuji IBIS
But for stills - isn't having IS on both camera and lens, more advantage then just IS only on lens. R8 vs R6 II
@@anandcranfield1 Anyone who knows the mechanism of image stabilization would realize IBIS and lens IS are complimentary to each other.
@Σ ε γ σ The same RF lenses cost a fortune and most people won't afford them. So IBIS is indeed a great bonus...
@@ralphsaad8637 Ermmm....let me guess you ignore the non L lineup and just complain RF L lenses are expensive?
RF16mm and RF50/1.8 are as cheap as many 3rd party lenses. RF24/35/85/600/800 non L lenses are all stabilize better than Sony/Nikon/Fuji IBIS and lightweight. Their counterparts either not stabilized&3rd party, or don't have anything to match up with RF.
RF24-105STM and RF-S 18-150 are ok for Kit lens. Getting sharp images by 1/2 shutter speed is easily doable.
RF100-400 looks dark but amazing performer that puts traditional 70-300&100-400 into shame in daylight. And since these 70-300&100-400 are not useful in low light, why not pick a cheaper&lighter option.
Only RF-S 18-45, 55-210 and RF15-30 are bad enough to receive all the criticism they have.
I like the R6m2 IBIS because I'm an old guy who gets the yips now and then. My 40+ year Canon journy... AE1P, T5i, RP, R6m2. All served me well. Informative video, thanks Jared.
but you were okay with last three cameras without IBIS thought right? does getting a good lens with stabilization help?
The R6 also has IBIS
I have had the R6 for a couple of years now and I still love it, I still dont feel the need to upgrade, theres just not enough reason for me.
Same. I got my R6 back in March 2021, and I feel no need to upgrade, this camera is a beast.
I've used the R6 for shooting some sporting events and its fantastic. 20 mega pixels is plenty enough to capture sharp photos.
Yeah! And when needed just use the ENHANCE feature in Adobe Camera Raw to upscale. I've done side by sides with the R5 using the same lenses (85 RF 1.2) and the upscaled R6 files often look significantly better than the 45 MP R5 files.
I've also printed 8MP 1D2N files on billboards and buses and the images look amazing!
True but it cannot be cropped like EOS-M m6ii 32mp. With this camera you need to carry half of the lenses of R6. And it can use the ultra sharp tiny Sigmas that do not fit on the RF.
@@barkan86 If you need to crop significantly, the issue is not the resolution of the camera.
@@davidmpoliveira1 The issue is the resolution of the camera AND quality of the lens. Nothing beats Sigma 56 on M6ii
@@barkan86 Lol. A sharp lens is a sharp lens, doesn't matter. I own lenses that resolve way more than 20MP on full-frame. A smaller sensor may give you more pixels, but less texture details.
And again, if you need to crop significantly, the issue is not the resolution of the camera, it's poor technique.
20MP on full-frame allow you to print up to A3+ (13x19") at 300ppi without upscaling. How is that not enough?
Got myself R6mk2 some time ago and about month back was taking photos of Willow Grouse that looks like a snowball in middle of snowy field and the eye AF was still locking perfectly on the eye of the bird. I Love my R6mk2 for the reason that you can enjoy taking excellent photos with it knowing that it just works like you would want it to.
Just purchased the R6 Mk II today BECAUSE of THIS VIDEO!! Thank you Jared!!! ❤😊
Mark 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark ii has artificial sharpening. Looks overly sharp and unnatural. Not good.
R8..small compact
I bought a R62 because I'm coming from a 5d3. My friend is also coming from a 5d4 but went with the R8. People got to understand that the caveats for the R8 are very serious. He's already fairly unhappy, because the camera is already overheating and he's had it for only 2 weeks. We live in a not particularly hot climate, and of course you're going to want to shoot 4K 60. This is enough to send the R8 into a tailspin of battery life. There's no grip or you would have to hack on a grip. The accessories you buy you have to be careful of blocking your battery port. You also need to consider external power sources which is going to cost you even more money and can potentially be unreliable. Then you have buffer issues that will limit your action shots. The caveat add up very fast and people just looking at list and are not super experienced with cameras are going to get bitten by this very badly. Just the battery life alone can be a massive issue depending on what you're trying to shoot.
I'm not interested in battery issues and thankfully the R62 has better battery life than the older R6, sometimes patience is a virtue if you can. But then the caveat for me is that the AF has been fairly awful overall. So between myself and this friend, we're not really having fun with Cann
on bodies right now.
Keeping the R6. I spent the upgrade money on a very clean 30-year-old EF80-200 F/2.8 L. Glass rules.
After seeing what Canon added from the R6 to the Mk2, and what they have in the R8, I"m extremely excited to see what they have in the R5 Mk2 when announced.
Now I think I would get R8. Thanks bro
Can't wait to see the comparison between the R7 and the R8. I do skateboarding photography. I currently own a 7D Mark II I bought back in 2015, a canon 24-105 f4, canon 70-200 F4 (non-IS), canon 50mm f1.8, and a Rokinon 8mm f3.5 fisheye.
I'm a full-time commercial photographer who almost never shoots sports. The R6 is all I need right now. I've been using it for 1.5 years and plan to use it at least another year or two. Now I may sell my Mk IV and get an R8, though, to have that as my second camera. Canon is giving us a ton of options, and it seems like only a few days ago that all we had was the kinda crappy R.
5 years later....I'm still using my kinda crappy Canon EOS R. LOL
@@jaytcapinpin Kind of crappy but still usable!
Maybe too many options?? Maybe they should fix their supply problems before expanding their line even more?
If you are a commercial photographer why you take second camera with so crap battery?
@@Caedo2004 I literally have no idea what you're talking about.
R8 for me! I love the lighter body for travelling and hiking.
My only complaint on the R6 is the 30 min record limit and the overheating. Definitely considering upgrading to the R6 Mark II.
I have left this comment before, but here it goes again. If you turn off the auto clean sensor when powering off the camera, it is pretty instant with the shutter covering the sensor.
Superb video; the best I've come across so far delineating the differences between the three cameras, with clear examples of, for example, how the 1/4000 shutter speed is significant compared to 1/8000.
The best part about these new cameras coming out is that the old ones become so crazy cheap. I recently bought a used R6 with an extra legit battery and a grip for $1300
23:14 Correction. The R6 Mark II does NOT weigh 588g. This is a typo on the BH website. The R6 Mark II with battery is 670g (vs 680g on the R6).
The 588 refers to the completely empty camera.
I went from the R7 to the R6ii recently. And honestly it comes down to what you need it for. I tend to shoot at night hand held so IBIS helps a bit. I can say I was kinda considering the R8 but the dual card slots and having a LPE6NH already made it handy. Bottom line I’d say depends on what you’re shooting.
I just bought an R7 because I couldn't swing the extra $1000 for the R6 II at this time and I wanted the extra features that are lacking on the R8. But, I know that when I do upgrade, I can use the same batteries in an R6 II (or III if that's out when I'm ready, or a used R5 if they are available when I'm ready).
I'm totally in agreement. I went the opposite way and went from an R5 to the R7. It is far more suitable for what I do, (macro, astro, birding etc.). I find the IQ is fairly comparable. Actually, I felt like the colors and shadows on the R5 were a little weird.
también tuve una r7, pasé a r6 y creo que ha sido la mejor decisión que he tomado. Pero ahora muestran la r6 ii y la r8, pero son cámaras capadas o potenciadas en cosas que no son debilidades en la r6. Una cámara sin IBIS te obliga a comprar ópticas estabilizadas, ya me imagino a un fotógrafo deportivo sin ibis y lente sin estabilizar y sin trípode. La R8 está buena seguramente para una cámara de estudio.
This exactly what I'm doing. I'm going from wildlife to more action, sports, events photography (out of necessity). I think the fact that everything I have for the R7 made this decision that much easier. I can take both with me if I have to and not need any extra gear.
@@inukisoft yo soy un fotographo deportivo y el ibis no es necessario, las fotos se toman en 1/1000 de segundo oh 1/2000 de segundo, la velocidad es muy rapida
hi Jared. The best comparison video. You helped me choose between R8 or R6 ii. I will go with R8. I liked the point that we can invest the extra 1k on glasses.. I have been trying to decide between these two for last 1 month and now I am clear to go with R8. Thanks bunch
I've been wanting a R6 mk2 for some time now but it's quite price. I'm really glad I found your video. It will definitely be the R8 for me as an upgrade to my 90D .
It's incredible how unlike other reviewers you push the cameras in real life scenarios. 🤓
The R8 is incredible for its price but the RF lens price makes me cry. 😅
That’s how we do it
Yes, Fro Knows Photo.
So broke that my plan was only able to use EF lens with EF-RF adapters...
@@ChrismasBoy95this is my plan as well
I've just gone from a 1dx mkii to a R6 mkii and I have to say it is incredible, I am getting so many more keepers and it has given me a lot more confidence. Love it!!!
Just bought the r8, I’ve been using a rebel camera for roughly 5 years so I think it’s finally time for the upgrade
This was exactly the comparative review I was waiting for, and it contained all the salient points. Great job Fro!
Thanks for the review… one thing you can add as a positive for the r8… you can use it on the smaller gimbals that use phones, cause if it’s light weight, such as the crane
The big area where IBIS has proven a must have feature is shooting wildlife handheld with long telephoto's. Canon has made these available at extremely low prices. The RF 100-400, and RF 600 & 800mm have made everything from tiny birds to elephants now withing the price most photographers never dreamed they could afford. If wildlife is something you plan on shooting and can't afford the R6 Mark II, then I'd definitely give the R6 a check mark over the R8. For everything else, the R8 is a compelling choice.
Pro shooter here with huge hands
Worked with the r6 before but would definitely spend the money and swap for the MKII
As you say: the nice extra thing is that the R6 is a bit older, and because of that it can be picked up second hand for the same price as a new R8! That will get you 7 stops of IBIS and the bigger battery for the price of a mild bit of use, as such cameras are typically taken excellent care off.
Actually thinking about picking R6 for $1300 with less thank 15K on the shutter. While I shoot professionally, I am not full time. I see used R6II for $2100. I don't shoot action, just events and I think R6 will do it for me for now. I already have an R.
As an amateur landscape/astroscape photographer I don't care about the frames/s, the IBIS or about the video capabilities. I only care about the dynamic range, signal/noise ratio in low light and weight. That's why I consider upgrading my old (but excellent) Canon 6D to a Canon R8. My only concern is the small battery but I can live with that and carry a 2nd battery.
I did upgrade to the 6mii, even after watching a number of these comparison video's.... After 2 weeks, for the shooting I do, the Mark ii is a significant upgrade... I shoot sports and landscapes. In shooting sports, the focus is much faster and is better at staying on the subject. Same lens for both cameras Canon 70-200 2.6 L mii, Canon 100-400 L 4.5-5.6 mii, 24-70 2.8 mii... In my use case, the mii is a major upgrade... Because I already had a bunch of bigger batteries, I didn't even consider the R8...
Great review.
Pricing is different here in Europe.
R8 being 1799 euros, and R6 being 1999 euros (200 euro difference between them)
R6 mk2 costing 2899 euros.
So R6II is 900 euros above the R6, and 1100 euros above the R8.
I will probably buy the original R6.
Where can you buy R6 for 1999€?🙏
@@matejakosir2739 In Austria. Check out some stores in Vienna
I have the same problem, I'm literally torn between the 2 (r6-r8) because the prices are the same.. Did you buy r6 and did you like it ??
The burst comparison is a bit wrong. If you dial down the R6mk2 and R8 to 20fps you get the double the number and then R6mk2 is basically the same as the R6. Also R6 mk2 has only clog3 no clog1. Great video!
Can you dial down the burst rate on the R8 to something between 40fps and 10pms? Nobody can seem to answer this. I don’t want 40, but 6 is generally to slow for my surf action photography. Or would an R6 be better? Thanks.
@@paulgill3785 Well it should be the same as the R6 mk2 so you can go in electronic mode 40/20/5/1 on the R6 it is only 20 and 1
Thanks for the quick answer. I’ll probably go with the R8 if that’s the case. 10-12 is what I’d really like which gives better buffer figures and not a ridiculous amount of shots to delete or fill up the computer and iCloud etc😂
Would you know if that frame rate is completely variable as on the 1DX series?
@@paulgill3785 yeah that you can get with the R6 using the mechanical shutter. Unfortunately using the electronic is only 1 or 20 🥲 same for the R5
I just bought a used R6 and I'm very happy with it so far. Now I'm not a video shooter, and I moved up from an APSC DSLR fo the R6 is light years ahead of my last camera.
AF points: 4897 for R8 vs. 1053 for both R6s. Flash sync: 1/200 for R8 vs. 1/250 for both R6s.
I recently had to upgrade my Canon 30D that I was using for sports photography from soccer, football, baseball and wrestling. I purchased the R6 as my upgrade and have been nothing but satisfied. My be looking for a second camera for more sports shooting. Thanks for the information. 👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽
I have a R6 and a R5 and im honestly super inpressed by the R8. Considering getting a used one just to keep on hand at all times to capture stuff in the moment
I have both the R6 and the R8 for shooting music videos. The R8 is surprisingly good. The only downside for me is the SD card in the battery compartment.
Is the battery good in it ??
Which would you recommend a new r8 $1400 or a use r6 $800-$900
I got the R6 Mark II in December and it's the best camera I've ever used in 18 years of photography. I did a LOT of researching on the R6 and A7IV and preferred the R6. When the R6 Mark II came out it was a no brainer to get as it was cheaper than the A7IV and the same price as the R6!
The body is 100$ cheaper but the lens are 500$ more expensive and not as good quality as Sony
@denis Not as good quality? That is quite debatable. The native lenses are usually just as expensive as well. Sony does have a huge advantage however in terms of third party options with Tamron, Sigma, Samyang and many others.
@@ralphsaad8637 If you take the rf 50 1.2 it's more bigger and heavier than the gm 50 1.2 the autofocus is a slow autofocus and you can see the glass moving like 15 year Ago the 50 gm is much sharper and better corrected and the price is higher ans it's the same for every lens ( like 35 1.8 85 f2 slow noisy autofocus and price much higher than the 85 1.8 Sony and 35 1.8 ) and it's like that for 95% of the canon lens
now all you need is a Fuji camera & your all set lol.
@@denis5850 lol. The Canon 50 f1.2 is fantastic. I'm sure the Sony is good as well. It definitely would not be the difference maker between which camera system I purchased.
Thank you for this video. As a sports photographer for my local college and using 2 R6's, I have been considering moving up to the MKii but for now, I think I will wait it out. If you're reading this, keep in mind that not all lenses are supported in those super fast mechanical shutter speeds. For example, the R6 will not get 12fps with an adapted 70-200mm f2.8 non-IS lens. That is just one lens it doesn't support. Found out the hard way.
True! Only RF lenses can get you the full performances of the R6. It's the same thing with some autofocus settings in video which are unavailable with some ef lenses
@@IAF1900 you can get the full performance with adapted lenses. They just need to be on the supported list. But luckily I’ve not missed out on anything AF wise with my lenses.
@@DLivingston That's pretty cool! I didn't knew there was a list for that. Thank you!
I've been loving my R6II. It feels sturdy but not oversized or bulky, and it shoots as well as I could need for anything that I do. The resolution is also perfect for quality images without having crazy file sizes.
Forme the winer is the R6 ... actually i have 2 of them now. I'm a event and portrait photographer. Great video by the way, thank you very much.
I am currently thinking of upgrading from my full frame DSLR Canon 6D mark ii to the R8 or the R6 (can't afford the 6R mark ii at this point). I am a very frequent hiker and traveler and I shoot like way too many many pics on my trips. I want to get rid of the DSLR weight and move into the mirrorless technology. At this point I want to add that I will also have to use an adaptor since I already use the Tamron 24-70 2.8 lens on my full frame and due to the fact that a a new lens of this quality and specs costs way too much now for me. I would like to mention that I almost never ever go out without my backpack when I travel, which means that I always carry like 2 extra batteries or extra SD cards, I am clarifying this just because of the fact mentioned that the R8 does not have the 2 SD slots and not the battery the R6 does. Both cameras have the same price currently in my country so that's why any kind of extra tip is very welcome. Also to be noted, I never shoot videos, like almost 0, I always use my GoPro for that when I am on the mountains, I only enjoy shooting wildlife, landscapes and the aurora borealis since I m visiting Norway like 3 times per year. Thank you all guys for help in advance!!
Jared, the R8 does not have unlimited recording time in video mode. It has two hours. Check it out.
Some retailers have the R6 at $1,800 new when you trade in a used body or lens. I picked up an old film lens for $10 and traded it in
Still getting great shots with my Pentax K3-IiI . Can't see any reason to switch to mirrorless as it nails everything I throw at it and it's amazing in low light.
Currently own the 90D and R6. I sometimes think of selling my 90D for an R7 but honestly I really love the battery life on the 90D and don't want to lose that. I often take my cameras camping for 3+ days at a time without a place to charge them and the short battery life on the R6 compared to the 90D is one reason why I haven't sold my 90D yet. And yes, I always carry extra batteries, but I'd rather not use them if I can help it.
The battery life is a function of all the stuff these mirrorless cameras do, including powering the EVF and LCD, the ultra high burst rates, uncropped 4K video with C Log 3, etc. Just pack a few extra batteries. You should get a day per battery unless you're really pushing it. It's totally worth it.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto agreed, why bother carry the batteries in the 1st place if they don’t get used. If the OP can, why not replace the 90D
@@JohnDrummondPhoto I totally understand, I do use my R6 pretty regularly and I love all the features, especially IBIS and the eye-tracking autofocus. I take hundreds of pictures per day sometimes, so I find that the batteries don't last me very long. I often have to replace my fully charged battery after just one day, and I only own three batteries, so I would rather rest assured knowing those three batteries will last me roughly 7 days in my 90D compared to 2-3 days. So if battery life were to improve by a little I would absolutely commit fully to mirrorless for backpacking and whatnot.
Between the 6M2 and the R8, that's a rough one. Better image stabilization, dual sd card slots, longer battery life. The dual card slot adds piece of mind not only from cards "blowing up" but more realistically losing a card or accidentally deleting it. Leaving one in the camera provides a backup. I also like lending a card to a friend or colleague for them to process the footage.
I shoot for a living and have a couple R6's and an R6II, shooting weddings, Mitzvahs and events. When I grab equipment to go to work I really don't care if I pick up either one there isn't enough difference to matter. You can buy a refurb R6 from Canon today for $1889 and if I needed another body that's what I'd buy over the R6II. I always use grips mostly because the battery life on mirrorless cameras isn't great compared to the 5DIII's I used for years, and I wouldn't use a camera at a wedding that didn't have dual card slots like the R8. I don't do video so any comparison there is pointless for me.
Very useful review as these cameras are close in many respects but different in others. I was considering an R7 but may upgrade to an R8 for the better low light shooting which is a plus. One card slot is no big deal. The Sandisk Pro SDs have never failed me in 10 years, provided the user formats the card regularly before using them. Electronic stabilization looks good enough for video use, and I use a monopod for wedding video use. Coming from me using an 80D, an R8 would be an upgrade also.
Just received my R8. It’s an awesome beast. Love the sensor and the resulting files.
Wonderful comparisons as always, Jared. I can't thank you enough for helping me decided how best to get back into photography.
Honestly the R6 has been an absolutely perfect camera for me. Nearly all the minor improvements in the Mark 2 -could- be achieved via firmware. The extra money for the Mark 2 could be applied towards one of the F/1.2 lenses 😊
Yes. They improved the R5 dramatically simply with firmware, but for similar (or even less) improvements in the R6, they expect you to buy a whole new camera.
@@alansach8437 I get where you're coming from with the r5 but the changes made to the r6m2 involve a few key hardware changes that really give it the edge over the r6. the newer sensor adapted down from the r3 allows its autofocus to be better overall, mostly noticable I've found in tougher action situations. Plus of course the physical switch from Photo to Video, which as someone who shoots both is a nice change from having to go through multiple menu settings each time. Additionally with some of the hardware changes as well as software changes the mark 2 is about 60% more efficient on the same battery, much longer lifetime on one charge... All these things combined along with smaller things like faster sensor readout, the 40fps shooting (incredible at this price point), mean that for me as someone who shoots fast paced sports and wildlife, the r6 has gone from a camera I wouldn't really consider buying at all, to the Mark 2 as a great camera that now excells at a lot of my needs. But this is just based on my needs. Both cameras are still great!
And you‘ve never experienced R8. You’d say, “I think my R8 is better because light weighted, conpact, same peformance in movie auto focusing, nice sensor with 1000$ cheaper price!!!”
The improvement aren't really minor, especially the sensor.
Got the R6 mark ii, used it already and is amazing! Only warning, it rattles when off, IBIS it’s something Canon knows and it doesn’t rattle when switched on! Shot sports indoor and amazing auto focus when shooting lacrosse
do you think the IBIS is important? That's the one thing keeping me from just getting an R8 over an R6 Mark II
@@HisMajesty99 I shoot sports so I need it every time, tracking shots, players would be impossible without it
As a wedding photographer, i'd buy the R6 used.
Should i pay 500$ or even worse 800$ for an upgrade from R6?
for 4mp more and better burst in silent mode? NO
As for the R8
The lack of IBIS, one card slot and small battery are 3 major negative factors for me.
I dont use video at all but IBIS can be used creatively in photography and use it a lot. So R6 is the best choice for me. (Same digic X and DPAF II tech in all three, with some firmware tweaks.)
If you don't use video at all the R6 is great, since its greatest weakness is the binary nature of its video shooting, either full manual or full auto. I shoot wedding videos and going from bright to dark spaces while recording is a regular occurrence, and have the camera compensate for that with only the lens aperture is invaluable
@@jacopoabbruscato9271 Thankfully i use my R6 only for stills :)
@@jacopoabbruscato9271Pros use manual video anyway.. having a changing shutter speed during video is nuts. Talk about eye fatigue. You use double the framerate for shutter, aperture for the look, and the iso can do what it needs.
I just ordered the R8. Thank you
Just ordered an R8 and i can't wait for it to come! Going to try it out on our trip to Maine.
Great video as always. I know you want to keep the time down but you speak very fast so when referring ti the cameras please say the names. Sometimes when you say “these two camera” its difficult to know what you are referring to especially when we are listening without watching.
I will be jumping from a Canon 80D to the R6MKII. Shooting live concerts and Music Videos.
Thanks
I have a canon rebel 7ti that was a gift from my parents like 8 years ago and I’ve been trying to go a more “professional” route. I’m leaning towards the r8 which I can get rn for $1399 with the starter lens it comes with. Plus I save $1000 which I can use for 1 or 2 extra lenses
That will be an excellent step into mirrorless. Be ready for a potential learning curve tho.
Love these camera comparisons. I upgraded to the R6 mk ii and have been very happy. I do NOT like the small R8's small battery..
I am finally upgrading from my T5 to an R8 can't wait to try it out.
How is it?
R8 to upgrade my RP as my new fullframe camera because of the capabilities of the R8. What a step forward.
I picked up an R6 this weekend. 2k plus a free canon battery grip.
Hi Jared, thank you for a great video and I'm a new subscriber. I'm in the midst of upgrading my Canon 80D to a full frame camera. I'm convinced after your review that moving up to the R8 is the best move for me with many of the R6 II innards and for less the cost. The deficiencies are not a concern for me. Will definitely use the cash saved for some great new glass. What RF lenses would you recommend for the R8?
Haven’t watched the video yet but I’ve been watching Jared forever. I don’t think he has ever suggesting buying older tech. It’s always the newest is the best. Let’s see 🍿
Im from canada and saving $1k for the r8 is awesome. I also needed a b cam for blogging. No ibis didn’t matter because i shout with r5C and the enhance stabe is more than enough
We are looking to upgrade from our RP to a more professional body and mark II looks amazing. We need the redundancy now. Thanks for another amazing video and I sure wish the r8 had 2 slots
THANK YOU, im between second hand r6 or brand new r8
Hey, have you seen the Tornado EOS utility for Canon? You might want to check it out, it's pretty handy.
Actually right now R8 is under 1199, I own R6 mkll. I just need an extra camera
I'm an astrophotographer and the best lenses available right now in this field are from Samyang. Canon mirrorless cameras are not compatible with the Samyang XP lenses. In my case I made the mistake of purchasing the R6 Mii, only to discover I could not use my lenses, a 2300 dollars mistake. you can mount the lens on the camera through the almost EF compatible adapter, press the shutter and the camera crashes pitifully, only solution is to remove the battery. I could use them on my old Canon 6D, so believed they would also work on the R series. At least they should advertise that their cameras are not compatible with other brands. So the answer to the question is... buy a Sony camera. If Canon believe they are like Apple, and you should only purchase Canon lenses, then they should offer high quality lenses, at a decent price. It's just that right now, Canon lenses are usually quite poor when used at full aperture, and much more expensive than the Samyang lenses. Canon 85mm F/1.2 : 2600$, Samyang 800$, Canon 50mm F/1.2 : 2100$, Samyang 700$ Canon 14mm F/2.8 :2100$, Rokinon (same as Samyang) 14mm F/2.4 800$. I haven't tried the Canon lenses, I own the Samyang ones, and I can use them at full aperture with sharp images. I once used a Canon 85mm F/1.2 and it had a huge chromatic aberration at full aperture. In preparation for a trip to Iceland, to shoot aurora borealis, I purchased a Canon 24mm F/1.4. Turned out it gave catastrophic images in the corners. I sent it back to Canon, they replied that the lens was correct, and that if I wanted sharp images I had to stop down to F/4, and that's clearly why I paid 1500 dollars. So bought a Samyang lens which gives good images and have never used the Canon lemon.
Got a R6 with the kit lens, 4 batteries, and 2 128gb SD cards a few months ago used for $1400. Go used if you want an R6
Thank you didn‘t know they were so cheap already.
I get great results, so for now I'll stick with the R6. If Canon comes up with more on a R6 Mark III maybe I'll upgrade
r8 is great if u dun need ibis. In my opinion ibis is a must, it not just steadys the final image but help focusing as well.
does external stabilizer stick help? i mostly take photography at noon so not sure if i really need ibis.
currently have an EOS RP- mainly shooting sports (football and volleyball) - looking to upgrade- R6 Mark II or R8; they seem almost identical. i'm leaning towards R8 with nice glass after watching your videos. I'm just a hobby shooter- but might like to try to do some sports portraits on the side.
I wonder if you could use a dual SD Card in the R8 and save on both at the same time? Maybe with Magic Lantern? Sony makes the MS Pro Duo SD Card adapters which contains two micro SD cards. So technically it should be possible to make a one slot camera a dual slot camera. Another thing. You can set the camera to wifi mode and let it transfer all photos to your iPad or the like. Then you get a backup while only having one card slot.
The weight comparison was not done properly. The R6 & R8's reported weights are with the battery, SD card, and cap. The R6 MK II actually weighs 670g with the battery, SD card, and cap. It only weighs 588g without the battery, SD card, and cap.
coming from a 5D mk iii which is still amazing, but wanting to move up, the R8 seems like a huge step up and the R6 i/ii is overkill. obviously when it comes to a D waving contest you lose out but a few extra grand in your pocket or some more glass is a better option when your client wont notice the difference.
I have two 5D MK III's that have the dreaded ERR30 message. I'm going to upgrade to the R8. Pretty close to the same features as the R6 mk II but with no mechanical shutter. :)
What if I can pick up an R6 for a few hundred less than an R8? Would it still be difficult to point folks to the R6 (instead of the R8)? Thing is, I currently own an RP but simply don't really like the handling - I much prefer the handling and button/dial lay out of my old 6D and I feel like the R6 is way closer. Also wouldn't mind a bump in image quality compared to the RP.
This is perfect, I’ve had the R6 since release, thinking of upgrading and making my R6 the second body. Or buying the R8 and making that my second body
I just recently upgraded from canon700d to r6 mark 2 what a difference they are the quality of photo is amazing with the auto focus. I got the r6mark2 as a deal so it was the body and lens (24-105mm f4) for £3800 along with an extra battery and adaptor control ring. The r6mark2 can go a lower iso (50iso) if you adjust the range of the iso on the settings it will show L on the camera. There is a first electronic curtain that can do 1/8000 of a second. I tried a sigma 105mm macro f2.8 plus adaptor be careful when focusing this lens as you can see the inner surroundings of the lens recommend to use the canon rf macro lenes to not see the inner surroundings of the lens, but overall this camera is a beast.
I'm still using an R, and since getting it have slowly swapped my EF L lenses for RF L lenses. I solely shoot landscapes/nature and sometimes wildlife. It's often a slower process than shooting weddings, portraits or sports, so a lot of things people scream about (2 card slots, fast frame rate, IBIS, etc) simply don't matter very much to me. The R is getting a bit long in the tooth, and the newer models have many more features.
While I was all set to buy a R6MkII, I have since decided to instead go for the R8, especially after watching this video. It's smaller size and weight, and as Jared noted, almost all the same features as the R6MkII - and $1,000 cheaper- make it the right choice for me.
For landscapes and studio portraits, the EOS R remains the best choice. For what you do, the best option is EOS R and R5. And for your type of photography, you wouldn't even need to switch from EFs to RFs. Unless your EFs lenses were old. Lenses like EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III, EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS III have the same qualities as the RF versions.
@@michelecintramika8482 Thanks for telling me what you think works best for me, but I've thought this through.
Since I didn't have those EF lenses, that also doesn't matter to me much. The EF 17-40L I did have is a pretty old design, so swapping it out for the RF 14-35L was a huge improvement. Swapping the EF 100L macro for the RF version has been mostly a wash, but it takes up less space in my bag (although getting better than life-size is intriguing). I swapped the EF 24-105L for the RF version a while back, since it was unwieldy as a walk around lens when coupled with an adapter. The only lens I won't swap out any time soon is the EF 100-400 II L, since I don't use it that often and the RF version is far too expensive. The R5 was on my radar, but also too expensive for something I'll get maybe 4 years out of. Meanwhile, while the R8/ R6MkII are fewer megapixels than the R, the DIGIC X processor more than makes up for it. The R is far too slow to process HDR images, something the R6 varieties do much faster. Pretty sure I've made a good decision. My R8 is being delivered in the morning.
@@HikingBob
You said you do studio and landscape photography. In these cases you will always use the base ISO. So at base ISO it won't make a difference between EOS R, R8, R6/M2, R5 and R3. They are all the same at base ISO. And for your type of work you could have used the Dual Pixel Raw option for more refined editing. The advantage of the R8 and R6 M2 is better quality at high ISO and autofocus on animals. But you shoot landscape in the studio where you use base ISO and you need more megapixels. So either you would go for the R5 or stay on the EOS R. Got it?
@@michelecintramika8482 Ummm .. I never said I shoot both studio and landscape. In fact, I said I shoot solely landscape. Also, while I do shoot at basa ISO as much as possible, I often have to shoot at high ISO's, such as for night scapes. So a newer body does make sense for me. Got it?
@@HikingBob
If it's a photograph of the stars, it makes sense. Because the better the high ISO, the more quality the photo file will have. Any other landscape, just tripod and low ISO with long exposure is all you need.
Thanks Jared, it's R6 MK ll for me then.
Thank you for the info, especially using sports! I've had my Canon 5D mark 4 for 7 years so I think its time to upgrade to the Canon R8!
I would go for Canon M50 mark iii as I already have bunch of lenses in that system and I am happy with the small size of the camera. Sadly there is no such camera on the horizon. R50 uses RF lenses and I can't use my favourite sigma 16mm f1.4.
I have a 6D and M50 and now an R6. I love buying EF L glass that I adapt to all 3 cameras. Granted, I also have some great RF glass, but I'm happy either way...
I have a M50 and been thinking of upgrading it. Now the R8 feels like a good option.
Yup. Go for EOS R6M2.
Been using Canon 6D since 2013. Now its time to upgrade. Wanted R6MII but couldn't afford at this moment. Considering either R8 or Original R6. R8 really nice but small battery might be a problem since I've few LPE6 battery already. R8 priced at 1554usd in my country and R6 mark 1 priced at 1820usd with EF adapter & 2 64GB cards...Now im going for R6 mark 1
We had those years when Canon lagged on features and performance and they wielded the infamous "cripple hammer" but, now, those of us who remained faithful to the brand are being well rewarded. I just wish that the R7 (amazing camera) had been a true replacement for the 7D. They still have a gap for a pro-standard crop camera in their range for us wildlife shooters.
And the Sony cripple hammer is falling mightily on their cameras with 2005 level LCD screens, and no real firmware support, and even their R6 Mark II competitor A7IV has crippled/cropped 4K.
Jajaja yep! R7 is more like a 77D on Mirrorless than a 7D
@@pipedlplara4792 how so? The R7 has better af better frame rates and it’s able to use sharper lenses combined w ef lenses. 7d won’t be able to match up. Only issue is rolling shutter for silent shooting but it’s something 7d can’t even do back then
@@Redboxstud Back in the day, the 7D2 felt almost exactly like the 5D series in the hand and in use. The R7 should have been more like the R5/6, just cropped.
If R7 had had same control dials, better buffer/readout and higher res veiwfinder I think a lot of people would be more happy...
Great video. You can get the Vello BG-C18 battery grip. It fits both the RP and the R8.
Jared, I am a hobbyist, who may one day dabble in do some outdoor family portraits on the side for some money. But I mostly likely will just be an all around hobbyist. Would you say the R8 would be my best bet? I am hung up on the dual sd card slots. I will never be a wedding photographer where I think 2 sd card slots is a requirement. Battery life doesn’t both me as batteries are cheap. And all my lens have image stabilization. I appreciate the feedback.
This video is going to be crucial for me I think as I make my decision on basically these 3. Currently leaning towards trying to wait for a used/refurb R6. I don't shoot video at all, and don't plan to. For me as someone who will be hiking with this camera I'm thinking I will benefit most from IBIS by not having to also carry a tripod, save for dedicated photography hikes where I want to be able to set up and wait. Coming from a 6D my biggest motivation is the modern software. My 6D makes getting sharp images of my toddler difficult to the point I just use my phone, but sometimes I use my Canon and my goodness the quality is astounding, in comparison, when I can wrangle that focus.
Literally spent the last week trying to decide what I'm going to upgrade to from my 90D for 4k video, so perfect timing! 🤣
r6ii. no overheating like the r6. the r8 might not have overheating and could be a good choice
Weather sealing? Body material?