The HEMI will RETURN! Dodge lied about Last Call.
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Is it Last Call for the Hemi? Or just a curtain call to something greater?
Stellantis will remove the Hemi engine in 2024 from majority of their lineup, bringing way a future of Hurricane and EBV drivetrains. Is Dodge's Last Call campaign really about grabbing the Last of the Hemi V8 engines? Or getting funding for the EV future? What if Dodge lied about compliance fines are costing the 6.2L Hemi V8 Hellcat engine? What if they are clearing the decks to bring out a new V8 engine? What if a new Challenger debuts in 5 years with a next gen engine?
0:00 Hemi days are numbered
1:03 Last Call Scam
3:06 Dealer EV deadline
4:01 Lied about fines?
4:59 No Hemi upgrades
7:51 The NEW HEMI
9:36 ICE Ban lifted
#NewHemi #LastCallScam #2028Demon
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All Dodge had to do was recast the 392 in aluminum, add direct injection and upgrade the pistons and rods and made it 550 hp it would have passed emissions with no problem.
That's it!!?? Wow, just a complete re-tool, wish they would have thought of that! lol
If nothing else, bring it up to current GM small block level, which would be lauded by their fans, at least the aluminum block part.
Don't want direct injection.
@@dodgeboytrx150They did but Dodge decision makers are just stupid you can think of a million idea’s doesn’t mean they will actually go through Tim Kuniskis had a lot of great ideas come through his CEO office but decided to scrap them at the last minute
@@waynemangan7200I wish Dodge had small block hemis that’s one thing I like about GM they have so many good engines and they’re good for modding Dodge got only 3 engines and they’re terrible for modding only the Hellcat one is worth modding the 6.2 and for the money the 5.7. The 392 you have to put Hellcat money into it just to get half of the power sane with the 5.7 depending on how high you want to go. You can get a 1000 HP out of 5Th Gen Camaro with out spending 2022 ZL1 money.
I can’t believe how many people fell for that last call stuff. Anyone who thought Dodge was just going to leave the muscle market, your getting played.
I said the same damn thing when I heard "last call"
Think about it. How many farewell tours did KISS do
There are no more supercharged v8s. So hardly a scam.
It’ll happen slowly. They can’t afford to stop selling muscle cars. Just like Ford and everyone else they’re selling EV’s at a loss. And can’t scale up production to lower costs.
@@steezmonster92ford just canceled all Evs
I learned my lesson in 2015 when I bought my hellcat and the salesman said it’s only gonna be a one year run and then they started coming out of 2016 so I learned my lesson in 2015 and never believe Dodge again
You believe a salesman ? 😂😂
@@XeNo11000 unfortunately it was a buddy of mine that sold it to me lol 😂
thats just a salesman being a salesman
@@97Ant u definitely right 👍🏾
Good luck on your journey, paying your house off
A problem in getting rid of the 5.7 hemi, is that it is the cheapest one, probably with the biggest amount of buyers. So if they make a new one, it'd need to be available in similar in price
And they had plenty of years to take that engine, make it more efficient, and perhaps throw more power at it to cancel the 6.4?
Also if you remove the 5.7 thinking that will save on fines isnt accounting for why it has the most volume. If you take it out of the lineup, buyers will just migrate to the 6.4 if they want the V8 therefore moving money out of one pocket to the other.
Yeah, creating an even larger fine. Making them even less likely to continue make a v8
It's possible they could bring back the old 6.1s that lasted until 2010, but more improved gas milage and performance-wise,who knows.
5.7 is more versatile than its bigger brothers. Just a bit more robust. Some forged guts and a supercharged monster comes out. Call it a budget Hellcat and Scat killer. Did that to mine with some patience over two years and internet searching (daily for an hour or so) got it done for under 8k. Looks completely stock. The only giveaway are the 315s on the rear. BUT…..I’d drive a Mopar 6 as long as it sounded great. Has to have a stick.
I think Stellantis needs to hire Butter as their production director.
@zacharyburket55 Friend Facts your absolutely right, Dodge/Stellantis sure does needs to hire Butter Da Insider for there company director for the have products because he is very smart 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪
@zacharyburket55 if this company Dodge/Stellantis ,wants to Survive they better bring back another new V8 engine or a new Hemi V8 engine in there line ups !!! Because there Customers are demanding it right now 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪
I don't need a million dollar salary to see if 2 engines are causing 90% of fines, maybe we need to drop one and improve the other....
i dont believe it hurricanes and evs wont survive, last call is the FOG a new hemi is on the way better then ever just renamed
Facts
I agree with Butter. Last call is not really the last call for "Hemis", maybe last call for current gen of charger/challangers. Read between the lines: "the days of 6.2L "IRON" block are comming to an end." So it could mean 6.2L "aluminum" block is coming. "Electrification is the future" means that Electrification is not necessarily "the present" or "current plan." If dodge comes out with surprise new hemi v8 technology, I'll be pissed at Tim for all the corporate double speak.
Edit: probably not as angry as the people that paid over $80K for last call editions, though.
Since the BEGINNING I said “Last Call” was a genius marketing technique to inflate prices and fatten pockets. Beautifully orchestrated!
His explanation on Last Call to promote Urgency and Scarcity is ON POINT!
Only Fools will pay all that money for these cars. I can only imagine the insurance rate next!
bought new 2023 challenger insurance no all that bad
We should be able to sue for false advertisement creating false value with the “last call” . Doing they customers dirty if true.
They didn’t set the mark ups. It’s the customers that fall for it again and then again. You really think they would give up that kind of market?
They are already being sued by Hellcat Durango owners for this exact reason
Why would anyone sue the auto maker? Sue the damn government! It's the governments fault
I mean the durango SRT owners were suing. What ever came of that?
That said I paid MSRP for my last call hellcat, and wouldn't have gotten one for a penny more. I honestly feel MSRP was a bit high as-is. People who paid markup definitely shouldn't have.
How about elect a President that tells the EPA to eliminate compliance fines.
“Chrysler coming strong next year with the Pacifica” 🤣😂
Yay…. The Pacifica… I hope Chrysler revives somehow, they had cool cars back in the day before minivans existed. Imagine if this new hemi wedges its way under the hood of a Pacifica, especially with hybrid equipment. It’d instantly be the best minivan on earth and those are some bold words for a minivan
@@fadedsoul23yeah the way I see it , Chrysler was lowkey ahead of it’s time
@@Blackout2008ROE yea and now they are fading from existence because of it
I feel like there should be a revival of the Chrysler 300, that nameplate has too much rich racing history and heritage behind it, in fact it was one of the first HEMI Powered Muscle Cars offered in the 1950's that also participated in NASCAR racing, all before the Dodge Charger ever existed in the 1960's
I love my Pacifica
Stellantis is playing too many games. Time to put purchases on hold and wait for the upcoming repo wave, buy used/repoed Chargers/Challengers and then go to the aftermarket and build what you want. As long as people are paying Stellantis to get "flocked" Stellantis will continue to "flock" it's customers.
I recently had to quit my service tech position at a dealership due too an no at fault roll over collision accident that left me partially paralyzed bellybutton down…?
Now i do special projects for the same dealership but mostly only on our ship out (Mecum cars) from home shop.
The owner where i work(ed) said the auction yards are literally over flowing with repo’s (but they aren’t selling!)?
Most of those vehicles are carrying roll over debt, zero down, paid way above market price…. He said starting bids always bring out a roar of laughter… the other problem is banks are paying to run these over priced high reserve vehicles first so THE REAL AUCTION CARS are so far down the list most people just leave before they ever get too them..
Apparently it’s awful
Im so thankful that my truck had paid off about a year before i got hurt and my Jeep paid off a few months ago… I have a 2012 dk blue white stripe SRT Challenger, I haven’t ever driven it much anymore. It only has like 21,000 miles on it. I would love to get a demon but thats probably not gonna happen…
I love my old car its pretty rare with white/black leather and red seat belts (all factory).
I just want the wide body (and i might upgrade mine -but no fake badges… thats just dumb).
Otherwise Im out of the car market unless its a insane smoking deal (in my favor).
I say that… A 2 door Gladiator with 5.7 hemi would have for sale signs on whatever needed to go to get that… but Jeep killed that off also.
😮🤤😂😖
I'd imagine compliance fee correlates to the amount of engines produced. Obviously there are more R/T and Scats that Hellcats
Correct!
Sure but at most only 1/3 of those 5.7 people are gunna buy a 6.4
I gotta say you’re one of the few RUclipsrs that are actually entertaining and put quality into it a higher subscribe number awaits for you
"if you're really paying attention" dodge never said they are getting rid or v8s. Most people weren't paying attention. It will be sweet if they do make a new turbo hemi
This is true, they only said goodbye to the HEMI, not necessarily the v8. Maybe we will see a smaller hemi or a return to the wedge engines or something
@@fadedsoul23 they didn't even say the hemi was going away. "Hemi powered L cars as we know them" is what they said
@@shmiggz true
Turbos are better for diesels and aircraft engines. Supercharging is the best way to boost a gasoline engine.
@@michaelbenardo5695 then why are some of the fastest cars in the world turbocharged? Don’t get me wrong I love turbos but besides top fuel cars and other drag cars like those, turbos rule the world
Dodge getting rid of V8s will have the same effect to their bottom line as Bud light hiring Mulvaney as their spokesman.
This gives me hope! Im 19 and doesnt own a challenger yet. Planning to import one to my county netherlands when I have enough money. I want a hellcat boiii
Emissions compliance is such a crock of shit, it’s awful to see the government just arbitrarily fining companies for not following government decree. It’s borderline unconstitutional
Yes Dodge sent the 392 out to have it resertified. But we don't know what it's going in?
2024 Durango still has the 392 and Hellcat.
Dropping the 5.7 wouldn't have reduced the fines paid out. Those people would have had a hemi, just not the 5.7. it would have just been a 6.4 or 6.2.
Also a good chunk of those 5.7 buyers would probably have gone elsewhere instead.
Biggest problem is the government fining companies for building what we want !
This makes me very, very happy if the news is true! Even if I can't afford one!
You so nice and kind but have hope and you will get yours
I thought they were called Dodge because they DODGE around straight answers?
Hehe@@ButterDaInsider
Bro really makes it make sense. Sad that people are getting took. 3 years ago a hellcat barely used was 44k now that barely a scatpack
compliance fines=how about the f'ing govt get the hell out of everyone's business!!!
In four to five years there probably won't be a Dodge or Chrysler to market anything. They just cleaned house in Auburn Hills and the Chelsea Proving Grounds parking lot is practically empty.
Good stuff as usual. "Butter, the CEO!" I like that. We should work on that!!
It’s the last call of this generation challenger and charger. Not the last call for hemis. It was never stated it was “last call for hemis”
It’s pretty simple.
Anybody who buys these "last call" vehicles needs their head examined....this is just a money grab.....Dodge/Stellantis is DONE without the Hemi....PERIOD......
Butter always brings us the facts from behind the scenes. Keep up the great work brother B
Good stuff man!!! Knowledgeable content!!
The Hemi made me leave Silverado for Ram. The 345 is amazing. Love that engine.
Compliances fines are largely based on how many engines are out there. If they get rid of the 5.7 they would sell more 6.4s. The actual yearly fine amount likely wouldn’t change much. The 6.4 fine would just be higher.
Thanks for sharing
i love how you be showin facts and support to what u say instead of just making plain predictions
Yes, they would add direct injection and do the Cam in cam so they could have variable valve timing independently on the intake and the exhaust. That would probably give it enough more efficiency to last a while longer and then they could always do some hybrid versions too to help meet Cafe
Screw compliance and build what people want.
They had to redo the 3rd gen hemis due to valve train failure from redesign of camshaft height. Lack of oil means engine failures
Dodge is not called dodge for a reason.
You almost had it…..
👍🏾👏🏾🫵🏾My man! Great work. You’re doing some great reporting which reflects the depths of your research. You’ve definitely enlightened me on this topic. You’ve really been getting busy with your homework on this stuff. I’m going to drop a sub in support of your channel. Thank you.
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They needed to definitely re design the charger and challenger, but I agree that they should keep 1 to 2 hemi and up the power on one and de tune the other top teir and bottom power levels
Really solid analysis / insights. Commenting for the algorithm.
Butter Da Insider Friend you need to be hire to run this company, Dodge/Stellantis to get them back on the right tracks 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪
Love the content. Thank you
Well said! Keep us up with the facts brother man.
What a mess.
Butter is one of the most underrated. Keep grinding ! 🤙
Great video brother
Can't wait for the video Brother Butter!
It's cool video, keeping exact mood of what's going on. All the Dodge's "last" model's / engines / etc refer only specific current builds. And many things will be back updated / revised in their new iteration.
Outfitting the 3.6 for a turbo stock is the best idea I've heard in a minute. They should just buy out RIPP superchargers and start cranking them out with those. If they could somehow make the 3.6 sound good (challenge: impossible, I know) with that supercharger, they would be printing money.
Awesome video info. One thing for sure direct connection is a joke.
You bring up a LOT of interesting points. No matter how it plays out it will be fun to watch. And for what its worth im thinking your analyses is probably dam close to reality. Depending on how all the regulations that do or dont come out.
That's exactly why I didn't buy into that last call crap. Dodge is the brotherhood of muscle. Anyone who believes that dodge was going away with muscle needs a history lesson
There's a reason they made the Ram brand.
That Challenger AI rendering looks like a reinterpreted Gen1 Camaro.
Great video
I love this guy!! Well done Sir!! Honestly, when I saw the Jailbreak announcement I thought it was a joke... but now all the last call special editions are even more laughable. Come on Dodge!
One of the best Dodge videos I’ve have seen. Bravo!
First time watching your stuff. I like your content
Pentastar is junk. Between head gaskets, cooling system cracks, valve rollers falling out, etc. Not worth adding the extra stress of boost to.
Yo Butta,
You hurting feelings by being right months ago on the dual purpose Dodge Charger Daytona...lol.
Keep up the great work!!
I liked and subbed. I wish I could like more than once. I just got into Hemi's too. The prices are starting to come down into sane levels. And its so nice to have a jeep with some HP under the hood.
If you don’t buy them for five months you force them to drop prices for holding enviro it’s happening right now to ram with 16,000 in savings
Great video!!
The point you touch on with the fees is why camaros died but corvettes didn't. I could see dodge taking a similar route; only continuing the big money maker engine which covers the cost of its own fines. I wouldn't be surprised to see money go into the interiors as well to make them a more luxury muscle car with the sole intent of raising the price without raising the emissions to tilt the ratio in favor of profitability.
I hope they come out with an electric spider. I really wish we could get one good roadster besides the Miata.
Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed!
I knew they'd bring something back V8 wise. But I figured it would be because of customer outrage not something they thought up
You know now that you brought this up I’ve noticed the hornet r t commercial. The hornet rolling down the highway always has a charger and a challenger right beside it,why,if they are being discontinued?you might be right😊
5.7 l dual overhead cam twin Turbo that's what Dodge needs. And that engine would get more than 17% better mileage than a 6.4 if tuned Correctly That's all the in line 6. gets is 17% better mileage than the 6.4 Hopefully Dodge does something cool That makes a really great turbo 8.
I'm not a big fan of the dual overhead cam, but I hear what you're saying. I mean the 4.7l chrysler did had overhead cams but it was one of the worst engine Chrysler made
If they did away with the 5.7 only 20 % of the public would be able to afford the other models.
@ButterDaInsider I read that as "The days of the IRON BLOCK supercharged 6.2-liter Hemi are over." It will come back cast in a different metal. Maybe Aluminium? Maybe Billet? The key words in the statement is IRON BLOCK.
great job..
dude you are awesome !!!!
I think it would be a good video breaking down the profit margins along side the fines and see if it makes sense to discontinue all 3 v8 engines or if it would have been a better idea to just drop the 5.7 since it’s such a culprit
You preaching bro. Watching this video just made me feel better to know so many share my frustrations.
Why these dumbasses don't make a 4cyl HEMI is beyond me. They are killing a billion dollar brand and not even bringing anything good enough to replace it... Ughhhh, annoying
Most likely coming back as a Hybrid just like the 2015 anonymous dealer event in which they revealed the the next gen Cuda, Challenger, and Charger sedan that was powered by Electric power trains and Hybrid V8 powertrains
An internal source at ZF told me they're building a ZF8 with a built in 200HP electric hybrid system. Presumably this is the thing they're counting on to make the Hurricane and any possible future hemi possible.
I been telling every one hellcat not going anywhere. Why would they stop there money maker. That's a company suicide
The Hemi is dead for Dodge. The 2025 RAM 1500 will have a 6 cylinder engine instead of the hemi V8
i wanna see them do somethin funky like a 4.6L single turbo V8. make it a hot V and use a twin scroll turbo. that would be fun
They could've sold the cat in small numbers for a limited time but instead they made 80 thousand cars, and have the nerve to over charge for them..
Butter, you make a sensible argument! If only the big heads at Stellantis would listen. I'm still convinced that they're bent on killing off Chrysler, Dodge and RAM, so that they can sell their crappy Eurotrash vehicles here.
The butter is a very accurate guy When hes talkin Dodge, you should listen.
Companies do that all the time. Lie about something is ending to boost sales and then "resurrect" it. Hostess did that with the Twinkie. Ever wonder why they taste different? 🤔
They know nobody wants a hurry cane.
I had a 4.0 liter HO inline 6 in my 95 Wrangler Sahara.
That was one of the best engines ever offered for Cherokee’s, and Wranglers back in the day.
Yes legendary engine
From the drawing board of AMC.
My RIPP on my ramclassic is getting485 from my pentastar engine no problem for three years.
I’ll say this if this new charger EV has an option for a V-8 I would buy because that is the two-door charger we’ve all been wanting!
Would it be a decent investment to buy a wide body charger scat ?
Id be funny if they made a e-ray like car for either charger or challenger with a new hybrid turbo and super charged hemi v8
They will never ban gas engines. It is not possible.
Dodge's marketing is like the Q-anon movement when the pandemic started 😂. A bunch of empty promises haha! All we can do is wait and see I guess. Great video butta!
cant wait for the encore edition daytona hybrid
Seems like a lot of false information has been going around about this. Dodge never said 2023 would be the final year of the Hemi. They said that 2023 would be the final year of the Hemi Powered "L cars". They'll still have Hemi engines available for certain vehicles, just not for challengers & chargers. (which may change, Dodge has a history of lying)
As far as the "Banning of Gas Cars by 2035".... I agree. I call bullshit. I don't know anyone personally that even like the electric cars. You would literally have to force these on the public to get a complete conversion, and even then, we'd have a HUGE used car market springing up for rebuilt gas cars. Never gonna get rid the V8. The demand for V8's will always be there. they sound amazing and that is a huge part of the driving experience.
You Think They Will Contline To Make The CRATE HEMI In The Crate Program Or its completely gone?
Removing the engine won’t just remove the fines. The customers who would’ve brought those engines will buy the other v8s and the fines will just switch from one engine to another
I'm hearing a lot of good news from his vid. I hope all of this comes to fruition.
So i shouldn't buy a new scat pack right now? And wait for a redesigned v8 challenger?
Would love to see the Pentastar V6’s to get turbo.
Think they’ll keep the 6.2 L Hellcat available as a crate motor even if it isn’t offered in production vehicles after this year?