Ellie's Descent Into Darkness

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2020
  • In the The Last of Us Part I, one of the major themes was innocence lost, both Joel’s innocence, and Ellie’s. With the collapse of society, the harsh and brutal world of The Last of Us has a tendency of making survivors grow up fast. The events of part one and its DLC Left Behind forged the fourteen year old Ellie into an adult through a trial by fire, where she emerged through a heroic threshold by facing her fears and letting the darkness pass through her. But the unforgiving world of The Last of Us can often turn heroes into villains, feeding the inner monster lurking within all of us until the point of no return is crossed. If Part I reflected Ellie’s innocence being traded for strength, then Part 2 was about her inner monster being tamed and restrained before it’s too late. Fortunately for us and Ellie, she did finally, in the end, manage to do this, but at great cost. I’m Dan aka Wolf, and today we’re going to be talking about Ellie’s Descent Into Darkness and the loss of her inner magic.
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  • @WolfofThorns
    @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +126

    Hey, guys, thank you so much for the love and support! If you are really digging my content, please consider checking me out on Twitch where I stream every day: www.twitch.tv/wolf_of_thorns Once again, thank you all for being a part of my channel and this evolving experience! 🤠❤🤠

    • @hanako-kun7565
      @hanako-kun7565 3 года назад +1

      You have great vids i hope you get to like 1m subs

    • @hanako-kun7565
      @hanako-kun7565 3 года назад +1

      You really deserve fame

    • @hanako-kun7565
      @hanako-kun7565 3 года назад +1

      Can i get a shout out about my comments

    • @reddwolf6579
      @reddwolf6579 3 года назад +2

      That thumbnail is so 🔥🔥🔥, whose talent? Point me in their direction?

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +5

      @@reddwolf6579 Hey there, fellow wolf. It's in the description, but I'll post again here for you @ImEnFuego (Twitter) created the character render I made the thumbnail from. Amazing art.

  • @kush6846
    @kush6846 3 года назад +1665

    When you zoomed in on that shirt and then we see the beach with the same sunset and palm trees, my mind was blown.

    • @halloweenjack95
      @halloweenjack95 3 года назад +19

      Same here.! I mean wtf ?!

    • @phollie801
      @phollie801 3 года назад +43

      That’s some crazy foreshadowing... I love these games

    • @TheLastOutlaw99
      @TheLastOutlaw99 3 года назад +8

      That blew my mind

    • @glo.v
      @glo.v 3 года назад

      same

    • @sandmoon4335
      @sandmoon4335 3 года назад +6

      Yes. Me too. He's really doing an amazing job making and editing these videos.

  • @genericwhiteguy2910
    @genericwhiteguy2910 3 года назад +1132

    I had fun playing Abby’s redemptive arc, but it wasn’t nearly as fun as trying to understand Ellie’s motivations. She’s an interesting character study. I like how she tries to be like Joel but can’t seem to detach herself emotionally from the violence she witnesses and inflicts like he used to do. Like, over the course of her three days in Seattle she gets more and more aggressive with her enemies. On day one, she’d say stuff like “man...” or “jeez” after killing someone. By day three, she’s saying “eat shit” and “go to hell.” Frankly, it was fascinating/terrifying. They did a great with her characterization. Anyone who finds her too unlikable is kind of missing the point. I mean, she doesn’t like herself either and that’s a part of her problem. She’s questioning her actions alongside the player. She’s lying to herself as well as the player.

    • @psychedelicyeti6053
      @psychedelicyeti6053 3 года назад +57

      Abby's story, to me anyway, was pretty predictable. That's why I still prefer Ellie, for a the reasons you pointed out.

    • @uchiwamadara4614
      @uchiwamadara4614 3 года назад

      @@psychedelicyeti6053 exactly

    • @megabrain96
      @megabrain96 3 года назад +3

      I adored this comment and your perspective 😍

    • @eilonrusso2276
      @eilonrusso2276 3 года назад +13

      @@psychedelicyeti6053 Abby story for me was one of the worst I've ever seen , Abby is an interesting character overall but I think it's lacking more good characters , Owen was fantastic for me yet yara and Lev was a huge disappointment , I've never seen so detached and bored from characters like yara and Lev ,mostly Lev

    • @stevenbrooksakalw1632
      @stevenbrooksakalw1632 3 года назад +19

      Ehh I did not like playing as abby at all👎i wanted to play ellie from start to finish wanted to play as no buddy else but her would of like to play as Joel but he's dead so she the only character I wanted to play as even in the first one I liked playing as Joel but ellie was always my favorite from 14 to 20 years old her character style and every thing bout ellie couldent fight with her well in the first one thats where Joel came in part 2 she all grown and fought like a beast even if Joel was still alive I rather use her plus the switch blade is my specialtie weapon but yeah Ellie all the to the fullest 👌👌👍

  • @ezio123sh
    @ezio123sh 3 года назад +653

    These small channels is what makes RUclips

    • @ddp5406
      @ddp5406 3 года назад +3

      Yup...when content creators get big its never the same...start worrying about making people happy and pandering. (Not all of course, but enough)

    • @bluesyrupgc4224
      @bluesyrupgc4224 3 года назад +4

      @@ddp5406 yeah. I believe The Last of Us 2 is actually not bad. Many of my friends and I are big fans of The Last of Us since it was launch on 2013 and many of us love TLOU2. Even though the story was a bit hard to take in and the mood it gave is totally different from TLOU1, TLOU2 is still a very enjoyable game. I think many big content creators actually enjoyed playing it but they know if they gave TLOU2 a good review, many people would be outrageous so they had to pretend they hated it.

    • @thedarkapex5327
      @thedarkapex5327 3 года назад

      @@user-gh2mv9zp4v what?

    • @isaiahminott
      @isaiahminott 3 года назад

      @@user-gh2mv9zp4v what?

  • @amy_loo2929
    @amy_loo2929 3 года назад +348

    I can’t even explain how emotionally attached I am to these characters

    • @Omega14343
      @Omega14343 3 года назад +2

      I cant be that attached to characters because they speak english and i have to think in what theyre saying to understand it (im from argentina)

    • @jaygoer3373
      @jaygoer3373 3 года назад +1

      @@Omega14343 I thought the last of us 2 has spanish

    • @cuntress9000
      @cuntress9000 2 года назад

      joel is/was my only father figure 😞😞 i love this game so deeply

    • @023Whiplash
      @023Whiplash Год назад

      @@Omega14343 learn english

    • @Omega14343
      @Omega14343 Год назад

      @@023Whiplash nah.

  • @alexmccorkle8899
    @alexmccorkle8899 3 года назад +164

    The moment Ellie called Dina a burden and Dina’s look of silent pain and disgust is a perfect example of how the viewers see Ellie by the end of the game: we care about Ellie, some more than others, and to see someone so heartfelt and even comedic become so driven and falsely motivated towards revenge and nothing else completely destroyed this person we love. It’s heartbreaking and awful, but brutally human and real

    • @princessprintz
      @princessprintz Год назад +9

      You worded that perfectly I love it

    • @cracksniffer396
      @cracksniffer396 Год назад

      Maybe it was just me, but I wanted Abby dead and was smiling when she was being drowned. I didn't need Ellie to come out of this as a better person, I just needed Abby dead. You don't get to torture the closest thing Ellie had to a dad and walk away. so while I loved the game, I would've liked if there was a choice to kill Abby or let her up

    • @andrewwilliams9887
      @andrewwilliams9887 Год назад +1

      Fighting Abby hurt me lol

  • @nathanpelayo
    @nathanpelayo 3 года назад +637

    This game was so heavy on me mentally, once I finished the game... I had to take a break from gaming for like three days.

    • @trifectas
      @trifectas 3 года назад +29

      The exact same thing happened to me. This game really did a number on me both physically and mentally.

    • @robertmazur3172
      @robertmazur3172 3 года назад +1

      Rly ? Shit ive ended it and felt nothing compare to episode I . First shock at beginning ( we all know why ) and later i struggle to finnish it i did , game was ok but zero emotional baggage

    • @TheBiakko
      @TheBiakko 3 года назад +10

      3 days only?

    • @tempoclasse2907
      @tempoclasse2907 3 года назад +19

      Take a whole month bro 3 days ain't enough

    • @thomascg4907
      @thomascg4907 3 года назад +15

      @@robertmazur3172 I felt empty, knowing how it ended, and how it started, just that break my heart, being a die hard fan of the games, is just, pain bro

  • @user-dg7iz5cy4k
    @user-dg7iz5cy4k 3 года назад +785

    People say how they messed up Ellie’s character in this game, but I think they forgot what happened in the first one. I vividly remember what crazy cannibal Nolan North did. In the spring chapter before the hospital, she changed and doesn’t even make a joke. She even talks about that dream where she was on a crashing plane, and even says that she never even was on a plane. In the sequel flashbacks, she hides this darkness, but is always reminded of it by the desire to call Joel’s bluff. I think they perfectly made her character, maybe even better than Joel

  • @mKwi9FUG8N
    @mKwi9FUG8N 3 года назад +272

    That Palm tree transition was mad cool

    • @thepeskyone
      @thepeskyone 4 месяца назад

      Shits fucking awesome. No joke like fr fr it's 9.4/10 for transitions (IMO)

  • @TheThirdPew
    @TheThirdPew 3 года назад +331

    Fire video, idk how I just found this channel!
    Also this somehow just made me realize that Ellie's decision at 4:50 is what kills Jesse.
    If she never went after Abby she wouldn't have killed Owen and Mel, and Abby wouldn't have come back for her. crazy how her decision in that one moment ended his life. I really never stop getting more to appreciate out of this story.

    • @Omega14343
      @Omega14343 3 года назад +48

      The fact that jesse just gets dropped with a headshot without anticipation is realistic and scared the shit outta me

    • @nickb6425
      @nickb6425 3 года назад

      Heyy Nathan! I loved your take/video on the story :) since I commented on it I’ve played the game through and I love it and the story.
      P.S. love your channel too! I love your parody of You 😂

    • @moisturater
      @moisturater 2 года назад +11

      @@Omega14343 yeah that’s kinda what i like about this game you never truly have enough time to be sad about the deaths (besides joel’s)

    • @jifij89
      @jifij89 Год назад +3

      @@Omega14343 it was honestly the moment that shocked me the most in the entire game! it was just totally unexpected, and i was so anxious waiting to see what would happen next…the flashback to young abby was a relief!

  • @DeletedUser938
    @DeletedUser938 3 года назад +38

    I just realized, Ellie leaving Jessie in the mall to go after Abby parralled Abby leaving Owen to go after Joel in Jackson.

    • @paulkyle
      @paulkyle 3 года назад +5

      That's great observation. And very helpful cause I'm kinda working on video about TLoU and could show this one of the many parallels

  • @BlackWolf-kr7wo
    @BlackWolf-kr7wo 3 года назад +204

    Ellie is the best character in The Last of Us that is still alive. Yes, Joel taught her well, but in the end, it's all about who had the most heart to keep surviving. And Ellie has the biggest heart of them all.

    • @ddp5406
      @ddp5406 3 года назад +58

      She is a great character...people that say this game made her unlikable or that they ruined her are crazy to me. I feel so bad for her...such a shitty life, and she kept everything bottled up. Brilliantly written and performed in my opinion

    • @komix1873
      @komix1873 3 года назад +14

      @@ddp5406 absolutly agree

    • @cmdrshep2217
      @cmdrshep2217 3 года назад +24

      @@ddp5406 I agree. She experienced loss before she even met Joel and went through more shit on their journey to the Fireflies. I see Joel's death as the last straw that finally broke her completely.

    • @cuntress9000
      @cuntress9000 2 года назад +6

      @@ddp5406 agreed! i think her story arc is absolutely brilliant, with her life circumstances and her age, her behavior and coping mechanisms are 100% accurate imo. i loved seeing her develop and change/how she reacted to all the new and difficult things she experienced. i think she may be my favorite character of all time.

    • @prehistoriccreature1800
      @prehistoriccreature1800 Год назад

      Ellie sucks. Tommy best.

  • @stitchlover4381
    @stitchlover4381 3 года назад +314

    letting Abby Live is the first step in her redemption. second step I'm hoping is rekindling with Dina 🤞🏻

    • @jadenraywilliams8586
      @jadenraywilliams8586 3 года назад +61

      Why would she need redemption?
      I mean, out of Ellie's rage, she didn't just save Abby, but she literally freed the group of starved prisoners... so basically Joel did something wrong out of love, and Ellie did something right out of hate.
      Hope in a sequel they explore Ellie's character even more

    • @stitchlover4381
      @stitchlover4381 3 года назад +12

      @@jadenraywilliams8586 well yeah that's some of the good things she did but she still has a LONG ways to go.

    • @louiekim824
      @louiekim824 3 года назад +2

      Cristiano Ronaldo Dos santos Aveiro She did kill at least dozens of WLFs who didn’t do anything to her.

    • @jadenraywilliams8586
      @jadenraywilliams8586 3 года назад +2

      @@stitchlover4381 Sure, I hope they give Ellie (and Joel's legacy) a better ending in TLOU 3

    • @stitchlover4381
      @stitchlover4381 3 года назад +4

      @@jadenraywilliams8586 I liked the ending in part 2

  • @taratuchyner2568
    @taratuchyner2568 3 года назад +85

    one of my new favorite channels, truly thought-provoking and fascinating.
    also something i noticed was when ellie sang ”take on me” to dina during day one.
    ”i’ll be gone in a day or two” and she lost herself during the third day.

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +21

      TARA! This is amazing--and thank you for sharing this. Yes "in a day or two" is precisely when she crosses that line, as "in a day" is when she chases down Nora, and in "two" she kills Mel and Owen. Awesome for picking up on that. This game is like an onion, as is all great art.

  • @thambidave
    @thambidave Год назад +15

    In the final scene you can actually see Dina’s bracelet on Ellie’s wrist. This makes me think that Ellie returned to Jackson and reunited with Dina and JJ and that Ellie went back to the ranch to pick up the guitar but when she realized she couldn’t play decided to leave it behind. Yes it’s very very sad that the one thing Joel left behind for her (him teaching her how to play the guitar) can no longer be accessed and used to keep him in their memory but in a more optimistic view, it’s symbolic of how she’s finally let go and is done grieving Joel and is ready to move on.

    • @outdoorscholar6016
      @outdoorscholar6016 Год назад +2

      I was thinking that Ellie and Dina are in the same situation that Ellie put Joel in: she went back to Jackson but she’s trying to move on from Ellie.

  • @esmebrown1453
    @esmebrown1453 3 года назад +22

    The last of us 2 is the only game / movie that has ever made me cry that much. When Joel dies and you walk through his house had me crying my eyes out and when Dina left ellie

  • @kasra123
    @kasra123 2 года назад +10

    "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
    - Nietzsche

  • @SloeElvis
    @SloeElvis 3 года назад +107

    This video changed my mind on the last of us II.

    • @xaviergarces3125
      @xaviergarces3125 3 года назад +1

      Never. Look what they did to my boy joel!

    • @pistollips
      @pistollips 3 года назад +20

      @@xaviergarces3125 watch wolf's video on empathy in tlou2. please.

    • @jethropalillo1746
      @jethropalillo1746 3 года назад

      Or watch the walking dead in general

    • @slidingcatch
      @slidingcatch 3 года назад +4

      @Fatty Mcfatfook yeah.... Please do yourself a favor, buy the game, and STOP watching these videos lol

    • @majesty1770
      @majesty1770 3 года назад +1

      @@xaviergarces3125 so you just hate a series just cuz one character dies?? weird...

  • @joe1719
    @joe1719 3 года назад +74

    I love the content but my guy, your voice is wonderful too.

  • @wallingfordd
    @wallingfordd 3 года назад +35

    Unfortunately I descended into the darkness & lost my inner magic as well.
    Here's to tryina get it back

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +7

      Wishing you all the love to light the way, my man.

    • @skymed3095
      @skymed3095 Месяц назад +1

      *When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light*

  • @Hithere-st3ft
    @Hithere-st3ft 3 года назад +5

    I was talking about ellie and dina with my brother. When ellie went after abby from the farm she didn’t have her lucky bracelet that dina gave her in theater, but she had it when she came back to the farm. She didn’t have weapons, she had different clothes and her injuries were healed. So we think after the last fight with abby ellie came to the Jackson for dina and jj and then she just went to the farm to say last goodbye to joel.

  • @MRBarton369
    @MRBarton369 3 года назад +46

    I love part 2 more than I thought I would/could. It's impossible to pick a part of the game that stood out... which means everyone who worked on this game did a wonderful job. The story and progress of ellie as a character was amazing. I love the story that's been told to me... im good with it and appreciate the thoughts it's moved in me... still... long after I've platinumed i still think about events and stories. Just an amazing journey... to simplify it at revenge or self loathing is just lazy. Your work on this is powerful and precise. Really well done.. thank you. Not just game of the year... game I'll likely never forget. The title The Last of Us carries such meaning.

  • @stevenbrooksakalw1632
    @stevenbrooksakalw1632 3 года назад +20

    Ellie is a beast I would not wanna mess with her

    • @ish9763
      @ish9763 3 года назад +3

      @@ScarfaceTM26 she killed every dude who crossed her way .......

    • @ish9763
      @ish9763 3 года назад +3

      @@ScarfaceTM26 the average man is kinda pathetic. Let her keep the switchblade and she’s murdering folks

    • @yureihone
      @yureihone 3 года назад +6

      @@ScarfaceTM26 you can´t accept that a woman slaughters men? Aw, keep crying bbygirl.

    • @yureihone
      @yureihone 3 года назад +2

      @@ScarfaceTM26 it just sounded like you were butthurt over that lol

    • @yureihone
      @yureihone 3 года назад +2

      @@ScarfaceTM26 i’m not, but i fw for trying ❤️

  • @hellohi5164
    @hellohi5164 3 года назад +7

    The story is so symbolic and representative of so many things that should be so obvious. It truly is a commonly overlooked masterpiece. It's probably because it's a story that was released into an industry for "entertainment," rather than to make the audience think and come to philosophical conclusions about life. This just makes this game all the more revolutionary for the future of gaming... it took me a while to fully understand it and videos like yours really helped. So thank u

  • @bretplado5670
    @bretplado5670 3 года назад +22

    1:23 THE SONG... I CANT.. I FEEL TRAUMATIZED BY THE WHOLE GAME

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +2

      YOUR WELCOME 😝

    • @shayb1408
      @shayb1408 3 года назад

      Do you know what the song is called?

    • @willnottell6350
      @willnottell6350 3 года назад

      Shay B here’s a link (it’s called “Ecstasy, by Crooked Still) ruclips.net/video/mN4JfjyaqXs/видео.html

    • @shayb1408
      @shayb1408 3 года назад

      @@willnottell6350 Thank you so much :)

  • @miamimichael3977
    @miamimichael3977 3 года назад +36

    this was on my recommended so i hope the algorithm does the same for everyone, the quality of this vid is so genuine

  • @icefl4re597
    @icefl4re597 3 года назад +32

    I actually hope that Ellie knows that Abby was the daughter of the head surgeon that is supposed to be dissecting her (Nora should told her this too during interrogation). Also, I think more of Abby's crew (Owen & Mel) should know that she's the immune girl ("You're the girl from Jackson" + "You're the girl from the hospital").
    I think the story would have different level of understanding, because after all both are daughters avenging their father figures.
    Plus, really, I wondered what if they met during different circumstances. Would they have been good friends?

    • @araalonzo7944
      @araalonzo7944 3 года назад +7

      I honestly think they would have, which makes it more sad.

    • @icefl4re597
      @icefl4re597 3 года назад +10

      @@araalonzo7944 No, they aren't. Abby knows that Ellie is the girl from the hospital ("He did what he did to save me"). But Ellie only knows that the crew are former Fireflies.
      For Abby, she didn't think when on Seattle (her friends died left and right, she was hunted, etc.), hence her actions. But after Seattle, she got a lot of time to think (Santa Barbara is at least 7 months after Seattle). I think her thinking about it is part of the reason why she let go of her anger on the Santa Barbara fight. ("I'm not doing this.") She actually knows that eventually Ellie is, well, a daughter avenging their father, just like her. (Abby is nerdy as well, she got a lot of time to think).

    • @gabrielalessa953
      @gabrielalessa953 3 года назад +3

      I believe that if Ellie knew about Abby's father, she would have understood Abby's motivation in killing Joel, there would be no revenge. I expected Abby to tell Ellie about her father in the theater. They don't really know much about each other up to that point, when Abby learns that Ellie is the immune girl (and the reason why Joel killed her father). The only thing that bothers me in the game is that Abby doesn't react to that very important piece of information, she doesn't seem surprised at all.

    • @relaxhedx7064
      @relaxhedx7064 3 года назад +1

      right ellie thinks that joel died because of since he saved her so he had to stop from a cure being made

  • @alejandraromero249
    @alejandraromero249 3 года назад +8

    It makes me wanna cry when I think of how Ellie was so innocent the. The world turned her into this 😭

    • @relaxhedx7064
      @relaxhedx7064 3 года назад +3

      yeah me too, babygirl grew up.

  • @warrr_machine
    @warrr_machine 3 года назад +13

    Never has a video game has so much content as much as TLOU2. I’ve been playing video games since 1987. I’ve seen it all. TLOU2 is the best video game ever created.

  • @NorthlightR
    @NorthlightR 3 года назад +19

    I’m honestly so happy that we had a hopeful ending for Ellie. After all the fucked up things she did and after so many people dying and going through 25 hours of grief and depression, I’m glad the ending was hopeful and Ellie is on the path to become a better version of herself.

  • @WaldoCarmen
    @WaldoCarmen 3 года назад +112

    Damn Daniel.... killed it as usual. I've played this game like 6 times, but every video you make has me yearning to jump back into this world. Absolutely beautiful, cheers

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +6

      Cheers to you, Waldo!

    • @hyperfire1134
      @hyperfire1134 3 года назад +9

      6 times already damn

    • @assassinbro2988
      @assassinbro2988 3 года назад

      @@WolfofThorns amazing content i like it

    • @BRNardy
      @BRNardy 3 года назад +1

      Wait, so his name is Daniel, and there's "Dark Descent" in the title????
      Amnesia, anyone???

    • @miguel9943
      @miguel9943 3 года назад +2

      I only played it twice for the platinum, might replay it just to feel the vibe the game gives out and explore every place.

  • @AmishGangsterWith_a_Hellcat
    @AmishGangsterWith_a_Hellcat 3 года назад +58

    She decended into darkness, faster than Abby decended into the Hotel.

  • @amiraclapper9857
    @amiraclapper9857 3 года назад +24

    This makes me sad but unfortunately helps me understand.

  • @1908d2
    @1908d2 3 года назад +14

    Ellie never took the time to process her anger at Joel, nor the trauma of his death. What Abby has done to her is turned Ellie, into the “worst” part of the human psyche. Furthermore the people that accompany Abby to kill Joel, who are in turned hunted and killed by Ellie actually trigger emotion from Ellie, which she tries to repress.

  • @lunarose698
    @lunarose698 3 года назад +28

    This is one of the few reasons Ellie will always be a favorite character of mine. Great job man.

  • @Pouncingpuma7
    @Pouncingpuma7 3 года назад +513

    Still such a joke that people say this story is bad.

    • @AStarInAndromeda
      @AStarInAndromeda 3 года назад +103

      It's not that it's bad, it's just not told in a good way and the pacing is very, very bad. Also, there's a lot of things that don't make sense. Such as, many characters keep flip-flopping in their morals. Why did Abbie start killing her own people after Just meeting Lev and her sister ? Only took like a day and she was on a rampage--no remorse. Abbie is a soldier and she's been one for the WLF for many, many years without ever showing that she felt bad about what was doing, so her suddenly having a change of heart is not very good writing.
      On the other side of things, why does Ellie suddenly let Abbie go in the end ? There was no build up in why someone like her would just suddenly give up on this insane crusade, especially when she didn't have anything more to lose and after already slaughtering so many in her path, to then suddenly feel remorse is just very sudden and again, is not very good writing. We needed more time with Ellie to gradually feel like shit about things. Even when she tortured Nora for information, it was odd for her to feel bad about it seeing as we killed so many people just to get to her in the first place and she's completely aware of how Joel and Tommy torture to gain information and she seems completely okay with it.
      In terms of pacing, having the player complete Ellie's story and then having the tension drop all the way down by switching to Abbie for a FULL story recap that begins when Ellie's story is done is not good pacing. I can see what they were going for, though. But no matter how much they tried to force us to care about Abbie, it's pretty hard to redeem someone who's travelled so far to brutally murder and torture someone that tried to save his surrogate daughter from being killed without her consent for a Chance at something that he knows would be used to incite more violence.

    • @tranvinhnhat1289
      @tranvinhnhat1289 3 года назад +21

      @@AStarInAndromeda Even ND said the story was divisive, but for me it’s necessary.

    • @araalonzo7944
      @araalonzo7944 3 года назад +36

      @@AStarInAndromeda Abby was a Firefly before she was WLF. Her group only joined WLF to survive when Joel disbanded the Fireflies in the first part.

    • @jalamar8161
      @jalamar8161 3 года назад +43

      @@AStarInAndromeda I think ... you missed a lot.

    • @MM-xs1qm
      @MM-xs1qm 3 года назад +5

      @@AStarInAndromeda respect!!

  • @lockekappa500
    @lockekappa500 3 года назад +12

    I always saw the scene of Ellie laying with Dina at the end of Day 3 as showing that Ellie has regret and realizes her actions. I think one of the things we have to realize in this world is perhaps killing isn't quite as traumatic as we think it is, at least when done in defense of yourself. Dina killed someone in self defense at 10, Ellie at 15. I think it takes an extra level of depravity to truly impact someone negatively in this world, as these people have hardened due to incredibly harsh environments.

  • @peoduction6068
    @peoduction6068 3 года назад +100

    Look at that thumbnail game tho 👀

    • @juniormphahlele9053
      @juniormphahlele9053 3 года назад +6

      It's nice.

    • @amethystLAX
      @amethystLAX 3 года назад +8

      Pretty sure its from a fan on reddit, its a Rambo reference

    • @flareboy166
      @flareboy166 3 года назад +8

      Ellie literally is the new Rambo

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +11

      It's amazing render art by @ImEnFuego from twitter. I included a credit to them in the description.

    • @juniormphahlele9053
      @juniormphahlele9053 3 года назад +1

      @@WolfofThorns They did nice work then.

  • @Roses_Are_RosieYT
    @Roses_Are_RosieYT 3 года назад +3

    When the music in the background, plays it reminds me when Ellie and Dina start dancing.
    Ellie: "I'm just a girl. Not a threat."
    Dina: "Oh Ellie. I think they should be terrified of you."

  • @richardguyton4486
    @richardguyton4486 3 года назад +3

    Well put together. The way both girls search for revenge. And how it changed not just the two of them. But the people in there lives!

  • @guywhoateyourtoe7983
    @guywhoateyourtoe7983 3 года назад +26

    This man deserves a mil

  • @BarryH90dz
    @BarryH90dz 3 года назад +42

    Wow the t-shirt...how did you spot that?! Pretty awesome

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +8

      Toss your comment in the QnA thread on the community tab here and I'll be sure to answer it in the upcoming video.

  • @naurthanks6122
    @naurthanks6122 3 года назад +13

    This game deserves more love, thank you for this video

  • @SGhosht
    @SGhosht 3 года назад +26

    No game is on this level

  • @YensElRojo
    @YensElRojo 3 года назад +26

    Sick video man! Really sad to see the hate this game got when for me it has been literally rent free in my head since I played through it on launch week

    • @araalonzo7944
      @araalonzo7944 3 года назад +4

      It was frustrating processing Joel's death and seeing the hate for this game at the same time...

    • @EJD339
      @EJD339 3 года назад +5

      I just don’t get the hate. I mean I get why people don’t like it but as far as this game, it’s not like it pulled a fallout 76 and was an incomplete game. I understand some people’s criticism of the game being too long and the pacing though. The story had so many layers. I’ve played it 3 times and it actually got better. There are so many little details in this game that are easy to miss.

  • @javma8444
    @javma8444 3 года назад +4

    Bro no homo but your voice is genuinely the most relaxing thing I've heard in my life

  • @jenniferabel2882
    @jenniferabel2882 3 года назад +17

    Wolf, your videos are so well done. Thank you for all the effort you put into them, just fantastic content.

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад +3

      Thank you so very much, Jennifer. Love making these for folks that appreciate them.

  • @lazyboyterry
    @lazyboyterry 3 года назад +22

    I think Ellie's decent started at the end of the last game.

    • @chandyman223
      @chandyman223 3 года назад +6

      I think it started right after she slashed that cannibal dude (forgot his name) in part 1, her character is slightly diff in the next chapter which sets up the characterization in this game

    • @luism8612
      @luism8612 3 года назад +1

      @@chandyman223 yea she never acted the same after that she was quite and more serious

  • @loganmarshall7754
    @loganmarshall7754 3 года назад +13

    I love your vids!!! Ellie’s character is perfect. Hands down the best TLOU character.

  • @ThatFluffis
    @ThatFluffis 3 года назад +4

    such a soothing narration of a descent into darkness

  • @DontGAFkid
    @DontGAFkid 3 года назад +14

    Ellie and Joel are the best characters from any video games/movies in my opinion. Love them waaay to much.
    Nice video btw

  • @cheesymasenko1568
    @cheesymasenko1568 3 года назад +3

    Im so glad I found your channel, your content is amazing.

  • @viniciusalexandre5174
    @viniciusalexandre5174 3 года назад +1

    That's my new favourite RUclips channel! Thanks, Dan! Your work is awesome!

  • @edgarcordova2441
    @edgarcordova2441 3 года назад +1

    I'm so glad I found your channel. Loving it.

  • @jeffreyellie9585
    @jeffreyellie9585 3 года назад +1

    Keep up the good work wolf of thorns you really give the game another perspective you should be proud

  • @RapidNameChange
    @RapidNameChange 3 года назад +2

    I JUST finished tlou2 yesterday and somehow found my way here only to also binge all of your tlou content just now. Amazing work! Can't wait to see what else you got.

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад

      I am so glad you found me as well, Rapid! Thanks for stopping by to share the love. 🤠

  • @ineezumz8519
    @ineezumz8519 3 года назад +4

    I could just listen to your voice for hours man

  • @LeoVanDeMerwe
    @LeoVanDeMerwe 3 года назад +2

    Wow. I really love your videos, they are so well made. Great channel!

  • @therevealingscience
    @therevealingscience 3 года назад

    Your videos are always informative and fantastic. I remember when I played my first play through at the end of it I put my controller down and just stared at the credits and, honestly, I felt dread. Which is how you’re supposed to feel, it’s what the game intended. Joel and Ellie’s final conversation did it for me. Such an incredible piece of art. It has been nominated in 10 categories for the award show. Well, it’s going to win all 10, no doubt about it.

  • @officerfriendly1230
    @officerfriendly1230 3 года назад +1

    Glad your growing. So much potential with this channel! Amazing video brother.

  • @driftera2z745
    @driftera2z745 3 года назад

    Such an underrated channel. I am glad that I discovered this channel. Your content is amazing.

  • @drewmayes2935
    @drewmayes2935 3 года назад

    Dude I absolutely love your videos about part 2 man, keep up the fantastic work💚🌿

  • @Ori_Kohav
    @Ori_Kohav 3 года назад +5

    Also, another good addition is have Ellie's redemption start while going through the rattlers, and add some cutscenes and dialogues of her focus slowly shifting to releasing the imprisoned civilians. The could be a start to her stepping out of the darkness.

  • @justtyipo9254
    @justtyipo9254 3 года назад

    Very well thought out video man

  • @gh0stpoop
    @gh0stpoop 3 года назад +1

    Not sure what I was expecting from a seven minute video but this was awesome. You made some excellent observations.

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed it, Arlene 🤠

  • @maytalacedo2942
    @maytalacedo2942 3 года назад +4

    I didn't realize the t-👕 on Ellie. That was interesting interesting foreshadowing.

  • @tanner791
    @tanner791 3 года назад

    Thank you for continuing the discussion around this game!

  • @itbelikethat-
    @itbelikethat- 3 года назад

    Thanks for bringing us great informative videos they are very well done

  • @907alphaprime7
    @907alphaprime7 3 года назад

    Love this video wolf!

  • @Infinite_Mortis
    @Infinite_Mortis 3 года назад +4

    Loved the analysis. You’re apart of the reason for the growth of the love in this game. Some people just didn’t understand the point

  • @XcDrifty
    @XcDrifty 3 года назад +1

    This guy deserves so many more subscribers his content is so good

  • @amaanarain2774
    @amaanarain2774 3 года назад

    I love this channel. It’s not always easy to find a way to put my feelings on part 2 into words, but your videos manage to help me understand them. Subscribed!

  • @jdottdeestv8149
    @jdottdeestv8149 3 года назад

    Thank for realising what kind of story this truly was.

  • @chriswilliams3379
    @chriswilliams3379 3 года назад +2

    Another amazing video my friend. Stay safe and keep up the great work🤘🏻

  • @feuerpfote859
    @feuerpfote859 2 года назад +1

    Great video immediately subscribed👍

  • @Konoba7
    @Konoba7 3 года назад

    Amazing stuff as always!

  • @GreenGablesForever1
    @GreenGablesForever1 3 года назад +1

    I just finished tlou2 20 minutes ago and new you would have content talking about it, Thankyou!

  • @T3AMKILL
    @T3AMKILL 3 года назад +3

    Well put!
    However Ellie breaking down after seeing Mel was pregnant WAS also due to Dina’s pregnancy.
    About the guitar: yes, it’s heartbreaking she lost her fingers. At the end though, guitar was Joel’s way of expressing himself passed down to Ellie. Ellie’s form of expression was as we’ve seen throughout the game was illustration. She put the guitar down not just because she can’t play it, but because she doesn’t need to anymore. She can now properly grief and is moving on from Joel in a clear mental state. It’s a very hopeful ending for her.

  • @SeafoamMusic
    @SeafoamMusic 3 года назад

    your editing is very nice! i like all the visual commentary you do just by showing the similarity of their situations- good job!

  • @gabupu
    @gabupu 3 года назад +1

    Incredible content 💗 love these vid

  • @emiop4004
    @emiop4004 3 года назад

    Nice video my man, keep it up

  • @AC-nl7qr
    @AC-nl7qr 3 года назад

    These are some of if not the best last of us videos I’ve seen and loved your prediction for part 3 keep up the great work you do here 👍😁

  • @MarkLearyCox
    @MarkLearyCox 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video!!!!

  • @VictorFaco
    @VictorFaco 3 года назад +6

    Ellie lost a lot when she chose the path of revenge but I think Dina is still with her by the end.
    If you check her wrist, she is using Dina's bracelet and she wasn't using it when she left for California.
    That means she saw Dina before going back to their old house and they probably are on good terms.

  • @Ross-uk2je
    @Ross-uk2je 3 года назад +20

    Bro i love your voice and i don't know why 😂😊
    Trying to get you to 10k subs!

  • @mikexurs
    @mikexurs 3 года назад +1

    You’ve earned yourself a subscriber. Now this IS YT content.! None of that click bait nonsense. That Palm tree t shirt transition was cool af

  • @pooty195
    @pooty195 3 года назад +4

    Great video! glad i found the channel.
    Ellie is such an amazing and rich character. I think a good video idea would be exploring her taking on the sins of Joel- namely his 'violent tendencies' as well as his complete inability to process his own trauma. To me this is represented when we see Ellie pick up Joel's watch and gun at his house.

  • @omegagorilla
    @omegagorilla 3 года назад

    Dude you're doing great with these. A+

  • @randomcoyote8807
    @randomcoyote8807 3 года назад +1

    Good one, and again, full of some nice insights.

  • @shanelacross6744
    @shanelacross6744 3 года назад

    This was an excellent video❤️

  • @douglasswiger154
    @douglasswiger154 3 года назад

    You deserve way more subscribers, man. Great content! Keep it up!

  • @whereuwannabe7796
    @whereuwannabe7796 Год назад

    Joel doing the Banderas is top notch. Great work my boy!

  • @mikexurs
    @mikexurs 3 года назад

    Can’t wait to see your Channel start booming whenever both cyberpunk, Halo infinite , other games start dropping 2021

  • @kleineryan
    @kleineryan 3 года назад

    again, nice video dude

  • @sophiabeebeeboo4579
    @sophiabeebeeboo4579 3 года назад

    I am absolutely loving your videos. I’ve been watching many of them and each of them hold their own creative critique to them, analyzing a variety of things about this game. Keep going, you’re doing great! :)

  • @jmadrid4264
    @jmadrid4264 3 года назад

    This is really good, thank you kind sir!

  • @lizzie-cr1oq
    @lizzie-cr1oq 3 года назад +1

    ur analogies are seriously incredible, they really add more depth to the video

    • @WolfofThorns
      @WolfofThorns  3 года назад

      Thank you so much, lizzie. 🐺

    • @lizzie-cr1oq
      @lizzie-cr1oq 3 года назад

      @@WolfofThorns of course, keep up the good work!

  • @MattysonDreamland
    @MattysonDreamland 3 года назад +5

    Your voice sounds so warm and enchanting. Also great breakdown, I really enjoyed the Last of us Part 2.

  • @TheWalker2002
    @TheWalker2002 3 года назад

    amazing analysis as always!!

  • @jacgotkidnapped1317
    @jacgotkidnapped1317 3 года назад +8

    This is why people hate the ending, cause she never killed Abby, but I think it was the best way for Ellie to continue on because after all Abby killed Joel for killing people in the hospital, and Ellie’s revenge ark, at the end Ellie learns that killing Abby wouldn’t of done anything. And most people that just wanted Abby to die never understood that it wouldnt of made Ellie’s character a good one because she wouldn’t of felt remorse, revenge gets you know where, or as Arthur Morgan said, revenge is a fools game. Because we have to know that Abby killed Joel for good intentions, you can’t lie about that, because after all Joel did kill her dad and multiple other people, and Joel wanted forgiveness for that and as you see in abbys view of her killing Joel, you get to see that Abby doesn’t fell remorse she still feels empty. Abby killing Joel was a necessity for the story to continue, and some salty people don’t get that because they expect everything to be sunshine and rainbows for the whole story. And it shows that in the story of how Ellie lives and then learns not to kill Abby at the end, because if she did then she’d be the same as Abby. And I’m glad Ellie learns that. Its a sign of remorse and rage at the same time, and she leaned to not let rage consume her