@XKillO8X emotions are a little more complicated than simply the fact that treating someone like crap simply implies you won't be seriously wounded by seeing them die in front of you. Ellie really did care for Joel. She didn't particularly like finding out that he lied to her in the last few years of knowing him but [SPOLIERS AHEAD] it is clear she was going to try to forgive him the night before he would die for his flaws at the end of the game and from what I gather she remembers forgiving him and realizes, in turn, she needs to forgive Abby for killing him (hence the flashback image of Joel playing his guitar on his porch which we will later get context for). Abby also should have been able to forgive Joel for killing her father but couldn't and lost herself just as many have pointed out Ellie does throughout the game. Say what you want about Joel's death and how it makes no sense with his character, but this game is a masterpiece when it comes to handling complex emotions.
@Killan8x Ellie is a teenager, teenagers treat their parents like crap often. Plus, Ellie was becoming suspicious of Joel. She did care about Joel's death, because they made amends the night before. In the last scene of the last flashback, Joel basically tells Ellie he got her out of that hospital because she was like a daughter to him and didn't want to lose another daughter
Their roles shifted after the first game At first Ellie was warm and cheerful and Joel was more distant and cold but it gets switched after the ending i think
Gotta like Tommy, he knew Ellie wasn't being herself and really wanted to talk to her and make her feel better. Also let her use his sniper rifle to kill infected to make her feel better. Tommy is the freaking man
23:45 I’ve heard people suggest Pedro Pascal for the role of Joel in a live action movie or show… and this line from Joel here actually reminds me so much of his voice in the Mandalorian. I think he could crush it tbh
Tommy was a great uncle type, i got hyped when he had his kill at that guy who spitted on Joel’s corpse and had a chance against abby Edit: I went further into the cutscenes and discovered Maria seemingly left Tommy over him not being able to overcome his rage as well... they really wanted to fuck up *every* character huh?
@@trentonlundgren2707 we all know why abby killed joel, and that is understandable. What makes me hate this game is when you controlled abby, you killed some of the major characters from the part 1. She even nearly killed ellie during abby's segment lol
Just Ellie? Come on, enlighten us, add more details, I wanna know more! Hope you don’t want flashbacks just of Ellie, maybe Ellie and Joel? Explain her emotions, something like that.
Poor man spent all of the original Last Of Us trying to escape from his past and Naughty Dog just *SPOILERS* Kills him off like if he was just some cheap side character.
And now, we all know that Joel eats with his mouth open, lol 8:20. Thank you Tommy for sharing this information with us. I love these little details in the game, it's very funny way to know more about the characters.
It gets even better, if you go into photo mode before Ellie turns to that page, here’s what Joel and Tommy put: Joel/Tommy-All Clear- Except Joel’s chomping lunch with his mouth open like he’s trying to catch flies or something- T. Joel/Tommy- All Clear- At least I don’t hum “Farmer in the Dell” every time I take a leak-J Joel/Tommy - All Clear. Well I just learned my brother stands far too close to me when I’m relieving myself. - Tommy Joel/Tommy- All Clear. You could move farther away from the lookout as a suggestion. -Joel 😂😂😂 when I saw this, I was on the floor laughing so hard at this joke.
Joel: *Tells Ellie to keep her mask despite her immunity just in case they run into someone to be safe* Also Joel: *Tells strangers his name at a cabin*
Ah I know this comment is a year old but Tommy was the one who revealed his name and even in part 1 tommy is established to be too trusting since hes trying to make up for the sins of his past after outbreak day. Okay sorry for that. It's fine if you dont like the game. Not in the business of forcing people to like it since everyone who spent money on this gets the right to their own opinion
The flashback scenes really should have been the game. Maybe with both Joel & Ellie comes to terms with the truth plot & also trying to find another immune person for higher possibility of finding the cure. Hell, maybe even finding Ellie's mother or bio family to investigate her immunity further.
@@LEMMlWlNKS They're just that, flash backs. Adding nothing but nostolgia and filling in holes that didn't need to be filled. They did this intentionally because the main plot of the game is so dog shit.
How much better would it have been if it was Tommy instead of Joel? For some reason, they mistake Tommy for Joel and he’s killed. We still would have gotten our revenge story but with Joel joining us.
Best chapter in the game. Fighting with Joel was so good, it felt like you were relying on each other and would’ve been so good if it was at the start of the game. A great way to introduce the characters, their chemistry and combat. All wasted
So Ellie doesn't really believe him, but I think she's clinging onto the hope that he isn't lying. I think Ellie knows the truth but she's afraid of dying - as we all are - and clings to this hope. But she also feels cowardly so she keeps testing Joel so he can reaffirm that "they were right and she has nothing feel cowardly about."
Yeah. When it came to the part where Jesse wanted to go save Tommy and Ellie didn’t because she wanted to get Abby, I was saying “No, family is more important.” I was pissed we couldn’t go help Jesse find Tonmy
I've said it before somewhere else. We DON'T want to HATE Abby. As a character that is voiced by the legendary Laura Bailey, I think that it deserved better praise and acclaim towards it's status BUUUUUUT Neil deliberately plays devil's advocate. Choosing Abby over Ellie and trying to push this deep narrative on what revenge can do to people but it's like BRO you could've introduced Abby into the game and created a very decent and sympathetic character and then finally in the 3rd decide whether or not to pull the trigger. It's like watching Rocky and then Apollo dies in Rocky ll. You don't just do that man especially when we just started to feel the characters
People do want to hate abby because honestly she's actually has a compelling story and narrative and her acting was on point. Now she doesn't compell me enough to choose her over ellie because its ELLIE but by the end I didn't even want to kill her. It felt pointless
k yells I’m honestly lost I’ve beat the game already and I’m just lost I’m mad,sad annoyed Neil did do a good job on the game he said the last of us 2 was gonna be about hate and anger and that’s how he had everyone in the world feeling not just in the game he did a good job the game was amazing but fuck man if Abby had died by Ellie I would have felt a lil better but her just letting her get away and letting her live annoyed me to the point where I’m just lost I want to replay and I am but it’s hard especially to watch Joel’s death and watching Ellie go on a rampage just to let the Abby go at the end I’m devasted I’m guessing for the last of us 3 Abby is gonna track down Ellie because Abby went back to the fireflies and I’m guessing they have another doctor and there gonna want to get Ellie and Ellie is not going to let them that’s my theory for the the last of us 3 now before anyone says Ellie would give up the cure I doubt it after everything that happened in the last of us 2 Iosing Joel,Jesse and Dina leaving her and her now having a kid I doubt it
The issue is that this is a GAME. Something is wrong if every time we play as Abby we intentionally jump off cliffs, but then are forced back into keeping her alive. Her story could work in a show/movie but she is the complete enemy of the characters that Neil Druckmann made us love. It is literally the fault of the writers of the first game that we don't like Abby, it's how we're SUPPOSED to feel after how they told the story of part 1. Asking us to try to sympathise with her is one thing, but you can't make us play as her and prevent her from dying. The icing on the cake was the boss fight against Ellie. There is no reason why we wouldn't surrender Abby up to Ellie every time. I feel like they forgot the fundamentals of why video games are immersive and got too lost in the narrative.
from 17:12 "what if we run into someone?" to "hi my name is joel, we leave nearby, i trust you all and i love strangers, btw my security number is 1234" like wtf
You've taken this completely out of context, Joel was referring to someone finding out that Ellie is immune, stop twisting words around to serve your argument
@@MM-hi the writing disregards Joel's caution. Yes, he's cautious about people finding out Ellie is immune, but he's still cautious. He bugs Jesse about her patrols because hes worried about her safety. I don't buy the "Jackson softened him" argument at all. As we know, he is still worried about Ellie on patrols. Joel does patrols too. Meaning he has to be sharp and careful. Yes, patrols are mostly focused around infected, but the first game establishes that Jackson has issues with bandits. In this game, Ellie mentions that Jackson hides their lookouts well (obviously from other people.) Being in Jackson would put them at more ease than being out in the world, just the two of them; they could be relatively worry-free inside of the walls of Jackson because they know they're being protected. This would not soften them, though. They all do patrols. They're all protecting the community. It's not just themselves they're looking after, but the entire community. I'd think this would put them on the look-out for anything suspicious. I buy Joel and Tommy saving a group from a hoarde. I don't buy them telling them their names, allowing themselves to be cornered, and not questioning at all what a heavily armed group is doing so close to Jackson - the community they're supposed to be protecting and defending. I think that entire sequence was lazy writing. They had a plot they wanted to make, so they made the characters bend to that. They put plot above established characterization, which is lazy. I don't mind that Joel died. I also respect the cruelty of the world they live in. Joel could have been bitten or gotten shot at any point, that's just the sad reality of this world, happens all the time. I just hate how they made Tommy and Joel act so stupidly and out-of-character.
That scene was so scary,i only 1 hp or something left when that thing grabbed me and tried to do the TLOU1 execution,i thought it was over,until joel jumped in like a madman,i couldnt trust my eyes :D
I can't express how just watching these two is so beautiful. Naughty Dog definitely dropped the ball with the rest of the story but you could see the potential in the flashbacks
@Lee 80s did you even play the game? It was tommy who told abby his and joel's name. Why? Because they were chased down by a horde of zombies and Tommy wanted to make communication easier. You know, in a sitation between life and death you have to trust strangers at some point to secure your survival. Also you can't expect a person to attack you after you saved the person's life.
@Lee 80s what? Joel and his brother Tommy, living in Jackson.(Abby knew this) Now tell me the probability that there is another Joel from Jackson who has a brother named Tommy.
Did anyone else notice how you never end up shooting enemies from that far away, and that the bullet drop isn't anything like it is during this scene ?
I never understood this sudden jump in character, I understand Ellie growing up, but its retconn for her to suddenly struggle to have a decent conversation with her foster father. I just wish they gave us a decent reason for it, other than Ellie becomes edgy young adult.
There was a good reason, she learns the truth about how he lied to her, its actually really well done, the good story is hidden behind random flashbacks and cutscenes, make sure you find them all, it will make you feel better
@@gabrielbustamante7468 That's so true, like as much as I loved the flashbacks, what made them better was that their were only a few. So basically we cherish the moments, if it was the whole game then it wouldn't have been as impactful
Not only that. Those that get bitten and actually manage to escape the infected must be a very small minority of people. Chances are, if you are in a situation where you get bitten, you'll get torn apart too. So a vaccine would be fucking useless even if you could mass produce it. And do we really think that the fireflies (who for all their talk of freedom from oppression and saving the world are nothing more that a bunch of violent murderers and terrorists) would just give the vaccine freely to everyone? I very much doubt that.
26:49 the way joel’s breathing is so shaky and his voice trembles telling her to come on after that close call has me tearing up. HE LOVED HER SO MUCH 🥹🥹
i just don’t understand how Naughty Dog thought it was a good idea to make us play half of their new game playing a character we don’t even like because she murders the main character from the first game which was critically acclaimed?? Like wtf they’re supposed to be smart
The first half seems solid. The second half just seems to be a downward spiral to try and get you to feel empathy towards Abby. And the ending is just, really?
The end might have been too much, but deep inside us we know that Ellie still has Tommy, Maria and Dina...yet, Joel is gone and that is the most painful thing ever done in a videogame. If Naughty Dog is serious on making a Third game, I truly hope they give Ellie a new purpose to fight for after Joel’s death. Like she did with him.
No,he somehow survived this headshot,after Dina gave birth to the baby,Ellie decided to give up on getting her revenge,but Tommy tells her where Abby is,then she hunted Abby down again
Yes more of this emotional character building with Joel and Ellie, WTF is this muscular women named Abby, a character nobodies cares about horde more gameplay than Joel, who was the best part of the first game, If the entire game was like this scene, Ellie and Joel living though this infected zombie world, building their character it would be fine, But Instead we got cheap last of us fan fiction written by a ten year old
Joel to Ellie : "there was no cure" (i dont wanna lose you) Joel to Ellie : "you wish things different..." (you wish you die there and hope of mankind become reality) Joel to Ellie : "...i wish things diferent" (yea i hope i can accept to lose you, just for that bullshit, and what if they dont make it?) Joel to Ellie : "... but they ain't" (I dont think so i would sacrifice you for that bullshit)
I really liked what the characters erote in their checkbook, or thing for when they are on patrol, just puts in so much character depth and stuff we *SHOULDVE* had
I think this is where people would say that Joel hasn't lost his cautious side, like where he tells Ellie to put her mask on. But I really think above all else, this is Joel just trying to cover for himself. He harps on Ellie about it for a bit; he seems insecure, like if someone found out Ellie was immune, they would most likely talk to Ellie about how a rampaging maniac destroyed society's chance of getting a vaccine via the one girl who was immune. If there were dozens of people that were immune like Joel said, then Joel wouldn't have as much of a reason to hide it and be "cautious" about that of all things.
I agree, there relationship and how it develops in part two is actually very well done. It should have all been told in chronological order instead of chopped up alongside the the terrible writing that all happened after joel died.
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Thank you for not judging my horrible shooting.....
You shot bad lol
Your fine man
Hey you’re better than most
Shit, I can't even find the last 2 by the shed.
If that was on Uncharted that would be normal but... Hang on a minute
Oh yeah I got it
It's just an other Uncharted with TLOUS texture
So yeah it's ok
Evertime Joel calls Ellie ”kiddo” my heart melts a little
same
@Transylvanian MGTOW monk me too. Shame it only appeared in the Part 1 recap in the prologue but I don’t really count it.
cringeeee
It’s a shame they decided to kill him off and force another character down our throats lmao
To be honest, I call my nieces and nephews kiddos because of Joel lol. Trying to be that “cool uncle” in the family
Awww Joel doesn't like the comics but he reads them anyway just to find topics with Ellie
And he had a space book in his house, learning stuff only to talk with Ellie about it. That is something only a father figure would do.
@XKillO8X emotions are a little more complicated than simply the fact that treating someone like crap simply implies you won't be seriously wounded by seeing them die in front of you. Ellie really did care for Joel. She didn't particularly like finding out that he lied to her in the last few years of knowing him but [SPOLIERS AHEAD]
it is clear she was going to try to forgive him the night before he would die for his flaws at the end of the game and from what I gather she remembers forgiving him and realizes, in turn, she needs to forgive Abby for killing him (hence the flashback image of Joel playing his guitar on his porch which we will later get context for). Abby also should have been able to forgive Joel for killing her father but couldn't and lost herself just as many have pointed out Ellie does throughout the game. Say what you want about Joel's death and how it makes no sense with his character, but this game is a masterpiece when it comes to handling complex emotions.
@XKillO8X because he lied to her? Can you not get that through your thick skull?
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@Killan8x Ellie is a teenager, teenagers treat their parents like crap often. Plus, Ellie was becoming suspicious of Joel. She did care about Joel's death, because they made amends the night before. In the last scene of the last flashback, Joel basically tells Ellie he got her out of that hospital because she was like a daughter to him and didn't want to lose another daughter
My favorite line, by far. Tommy's voice going from confident and then suddenly giving up is the funniest.
3:00
P😂
I literally laughed out loud at that part 😂
Lol I literally died when he did that 😂😂🤣
Me too
I think he was being sarcastic.
7:51
Ellie: "You sure you don't wanna come? "
*points gun directly in his face*
It's like "you better come with us or i'll shoot you right in the face".
Smoker 17 Tommy: yeah like someone’s going to shoot me in the face.
Me:☹️
Tommy: What?
It's like Ellie and Joel switch places, Joel is the sarcastic one and Ellie the serious one now.
TheGoldenShot45 good point
Their roles shifted after the first game
At first Ellie was warm and cheerful and Joel was more distant and cold but it gets switched after the ending i think
Joel is trying to make conversation with ellie and she clearly is suspicious about what he said happened in the hospital
well ellie did almost get raped by david and that tends to mess someone up
@@destanooo4647 And almost got her hands chopped off by that degenerate psycho.
Gotta like Tommy, he knew Ellie wasn't being herself and really wanted to talk to her and make her feel better. Also let her use his sniper rifle to kill infected to make her feel better. Tommy is the freaking man
That’s uncle tommy for you
Bryan Rodriguez wish we could have played as him instead of stupid Abby. You alternate between playing as him and Ellie, that would have been awesome
@@MrDarksword123 Exactly, we should've experienced Tommy's 3 days in Seattle.
The best scene in this game was the birthday flashback, worst was Joel’s “scene” and most satisfy was killing Nora.
Actually, the most satisfying scene was Ab(bitch) being captured: ruclips.net/video/dolbtG4t-fg/видео.html
I wish I could have spent the time playing just the birthday flashback as an entire game.
It was also pretty good seeing Manny get brained by Tommy. Too bad it was while being forced to play as Abby.
So true
No, the worst scene was the golf sequence
23:45
I’ve heard people suggest Pedro Pascal for the role of Joel in a live action movie or show… and this line from Joel here actually reminds me so much of his voice in the Mandalorian. I think he could crush it tbh
This aged very well
would you look at that!
Woah.. that is awesome to see a year on
So, fun fact…
How bout that huh
Even as an NPC Joel kicks ass, he would've destroyed Abby in a fair fight.
Tommy would have as well in my opinion.
@@billydeeznuts poor Tommy... he died as a dog
Juan Rios didn’t he survived the gunshot by Abby?
@@kakashi6957 He did
Leon Weihofen yeah......too cliche
It’s ironic that these flashbacks are what everyone loves...almost as if this is what the game SHOULD have been
Wrong on all accounts.
@Dragonage2ftw How?
Agreed
@@maxg8766 my thoughts exactly
my_name_is_desh! He is just a kid who doesent understand shit.
Tommy was a great uncle type, i got hyped when he had his kill at that guy who spitted on Joel’s corpse and had a chance against abby
Edit: I went further into the cutscenes and discovered Maria seemingly left Tommy over him not being able to overcome his rage as well... they really wanted to fuck up *every* character huh?
If yara wasn’t there tommy was going to destroy Abby fuck that’s pissed me off
P A I N Yara came completely out of nowhere too.. it was retarded.
@@Rude_Boi i think they somehow circled back to the docks where abby left yara but man if yara wasn't there tommy would've killed abby so quickly
Tommy was there when Joel died and was knocked unconscious when some WLF solider bashed his face the butt of a pistol 3 times
@smdn.2000 she didn't leave Tommy, they had a fight and they're taking a break
3:01 Low-key one of the best-acted lines in the game
Yes💀🤣
If they gave Abby her own story without intercepting with Joel and Ellie ppl would have liked her
Then that would be like playing a side mission?
I think a 2 hour segment like Ellie gameplay in tlou would've been fine, or even DLC.
Episode Abby. Simple.
I don't think they're trying to make you like Abby I think they were just trying to make you understand her motives
@@trentonlundgren2707 we all know why abby killed joel, and that is understandable. What makes me hate this game is when you controlled abby, you killed some of the major characters from the part 1. She even nearly killed ellie during abby's segment lol
Or making Abby as an undercover agent of WLF and making her betraying Joel and Ellie in last act of the game. I think that'll work out.
If the game was only the flashbacks with ellie i think it could be actually perfect
Sounds awful.
Dragonage2ftw sounds like shit but better than what the game gave us
Just Ellie? Come on, enlighten us, add more details, I wanna know more! Hope you don’t want flashbacks just of Ellie, maybe Ellie and Joel? Explain her emotions, something like that.
@@princesshigaraki yes that was what i meant
@@Dragonage2ftw No one cares
joel is so cute in the flashbacks :( i hope he was happy
Poor man spent all of the original Last Of Us trying to escape from his past and Naughty Dog just
*SPOILERS*
Kills him off like if he was just some cheap side character.
16:30 And this, people, is the reason why we could have a game with only the flashbacks.
That would of been boring
3:01 Tommy’s best line
Anyone notice that Joel still uses the same Shotgun from the first game?
Yea, from bills
He even uses his handmade shivs xD
When you find your favorite you always carry it
Thank god I upgraded the shit out of it for him so he had at least one good weapon on him 🤷🏼♂️😂
And I think Ellie’s pistol is the one Joel gave her! She really grew into it 😆 .
Ellie and uncle Tommy thats cute
We coulda played as Tommy and Ellie but nah, they gave us Abby
For source reasons
Angel Ramirez or tommy could replace dina.. dina is a boring companion
@@mamufixie can't go 2 fucking seconds without dina yapping in my ear
because abby is a strong independent woman
@@aBDKstan yeah man who would want to play as the fucking hulk in a golf simulation game
And now, we all know that Joel eats with his mouth open, lol 8:20. Thank you Tommy for sharing this information with us. I love these little details in the game, it's very funny way to know more about the characters.
Oml i just saw it 😂🤣
It gets even better, if you go into photo mode before Ellie turns to that page, here’s what Joel and Tommy put:
Joel/Tommy-All Clear- Except Joel’s chomping lunch with his mouth open like he’s trying to catch flies or something- T.
Joel/Tommy- All Clear- At least I don’t hum “Farmer in the Dell” every time I take a leak-J
Joel/Tommy - All Clear. Well I just learned my brother stands far too close to me when I’m relieving myself.
- Tommy
Joel/Tommy- All Clear. You could move farther away from the lookout as a suggestion.
-Joel
😂😂😂 when I saw this, I was on the floor laughing so hard at this joke.
@@maddiemichigan lol lol lol...i never saw this. Thank you for sharing this 👍. I love it!
Now that I’m rewatching this, my slow ass just realized that lookout is same place where Joel and Tommy eventually meet Abby. 🤯🙈
I thought it looked familiar!
Make it two. I just realized it now too. 💀
26:50 Joel's Last badass moment.I really missed to play as Joel. 😢♥️
Go back on the 1st game bro.
I was getting for one of those nostalgic scenes where the bloater rips the mandible straight off the head! But the JOEL FOR THE WIN!!! So epic
Tommy trying to get Ellie and Joel to bond together at 7:30 is peak uncle
Ikr!! I think that’s so cute how when Joel takes on a father role tommy starts taking on a uncle role and he’s the best at it
Joel: *Tells Ellie to keep her mask despite her immunity just in case they run into someone to be safe*
Also Joel: *Tells strangers his name at a cabin*
Yea this game really sucked at this point I only think that the flashbacks are canon and nothing else happened
newman1012 I think this game was at a Game of Thrones season 8 level
@@JC-wn7ih was game if thrones season 8 terrible i dont watch the show I'm assuming since your comparing this game and that show season 8 is terrible
Ah I know this comment is a year old but Tommy was the one who revealed his name and even in part 1 tommy is established to be too trusting since hes trying to make up for the sins of his past after outbreak day.
Okay sorry for that. It's fine if you dont like the game. Not in the business of forcing people to like it since everyone who spent money on this gets the right to their own opinion
@@newman-ce3ux It has been a year or two, but yes. It was bad that refuse to it and stop at season 6.
Ellie has more flashbacks than Peter Griffin.
Almost like MKX
Like that time...
The flashback scenes really should have been the game. Maybe with both Joel & Ellie comes to terms with the truth plot & also trying to find another immune person for higher possibility of finding the cure. Hell, maybe even finding Ellie's mother or bio family to investigate her immunity further.
What are these flashbacks from since they’re not part of the main game?
@@LEMMlWlNKS They're just that, flash backs. Adding nothing but nostolgia and filling in holes that didn't need to be filled. They did this intentionally because the main plot of the game is so dog shit.
That’s dumb.
@@Dragonage2ftw yeah so everything that isnt the story of this lama shit, you hate on It
Ellie's mothe is dead Marlene have said that in first game
2:56 lol Ellie and Uncle Tommy actually make a good duo
It’s mad how the flashbacks for Ellie are the bets bits in the game
I think we just pretend nothing else existed except for them
Yea flashbacks are the only things that are canon the rest never happened
Thats so dumb, im glad people are realizing how good is this game
Womp womp game was fire
“Had some Goddamn Faith Ellie” -Joel
What I read from the title: eille loses faith in Joel
Dutch: HAVE FAITH
You will be alright boah
Its all goin to plan Arthur
Even Micah got a better death than Joel...
Bruh Arthur and Joel would be a fucking Kick-Ass Duo
Jackaboy wow, I imagine.... That I would be so fucking cool...
This story is better than everything about Abby.
Opinion, not fact
@@idgafanymore69 Its a fact.
@@idgafanymore69 Fact.
TheBomb Paradox it’s definitely a fact
I agree with u!
11:54, RUclips automatic subtitles believe that what Joel said there is : if you think you're ready, Dad trust you.
Yes!
How much better would it have been if it was Tommy instead of Joel? For some reason, they mistake Tommy for Joel and he’s killed. We still would have gotten our revenge story but with Joel joining us.
thats actually great
That’s actually a great idea
Or played as tommy and Ellie to avenge joel
A DLC could be great
Would be more acceptable. We could have fond flashbacks to Tommy.
24:47
Joel is so sweet. 🥴
"Stay Away from Her!"
I love her expression at 0:16 "Huh?"
Spoilers
I’m still confused bruh how does Abby still recognize and want to kill Joel ? Has she been hunting him down the entire 5 years ???
Probably.
Horrible story telling
The gay writters thinks that only saying a name in a big apocalypse world with a lot of people is a justification to kill a developed character sad
Joel said his name
someone killed your father and finally you get his name what would you do?? dont be stupid
Best chapter in the game. Fighting with Joel was so good, it felt like you were relying on each other and would’ve been so good if it was at the start of the game. A great way to introduce the characters, their chemistry and combat. All wasted
7:47 Awwww... I never noticed how Joel gently taps Tommy's shoulder as he walks off with Ellie. 😭❤❤❤
26:43 Joel went full badass mode
So Ellie doesn't really believe him, but I think she's clinging onto the hope that he isn't lying. I think Ellie knows the truth but she's afraid of dying - as we all are - and clings to this hope. But she also feels cowardly so she keeps testing Joel so he can reaffirm that "they were right and she has nothing feel cowardly about."
I wish they made the story about the infected again. It's kinda like they're irrelevant now
Gameplay wise infected are kinda inconvenience rather than a threat because they dont one hit kill you like in the first game
lol ever seen the walking dead?
@@chietattoos nope
Even though the first game was market the humans are the one you need tk be afraid of but this game made the infected terrible.
@@chietattoos The infected in twd are weak as fuck, and the humans you encounter are a bigger issue than them
Tommy: *becomes Ellie's uncle figure and a part of her family
Ellie: *leaves Tommy to fight the WLFs alone to get Abby
And forgive her at the last
Yeah. When it came to the part where Jesse wanted to go save Tommy and Ellie didn’t because she wanted to get Abby, I was saying “No, family is more important.” I was pissed we couldn’t go help Jesse find Tonmy
They should gave us the option but nope
It’s pretty awesome how she has accepted him as her uncle basically. He even lets her try out his gun which is like an uncle thing to do.
I've said it before somewhere else. We DON'T want to HATE Abby. As a character that is voiced by the legendary Laura Bailey, I think that it deserved better praise and acclaim towards it's status BUUUUUUT Neil deliberately plays devil's advocate. Choosing Abby over Ellie and trying to push this deep narrative on what revenge can do to people but it's like BRO you could've introduced Abby into the game and created a very decent and sympathetic character and then finally in the 3rd decide whether or not to pull the trigger. It's like watching Rocky and then Apollo dies in Rocky ll. You don't just do that man especially when we just started to feel the characters
People do want to hate abby because honestly she's actually has a compelling story and narrative and her acting was on point. Now she doesn't compell me enough to choose her over ellie because its ELLIE but by the end I didn't even want to kill her. It felt pointless
k yells I’m honestly lost I’ve beat the game already and I’m just lost I’m mad,sad annoyed Neil did do a good job on the game he said the last of us 2 was gonna be about hate and anger and that’s how he had everyone in the world feeling not just in the game he did a good job the game was amazing but fuck man if Abby had died by Ellie I would have felt a lil better but her just letting her get away and letting her live annoyed me to the point where I’m just lost I want to replay and I am but it’s hard especially to watch Joel’s death and watching Ellie go on a rampage just to let the Abby go at the end I’m devasted I’m guessing for the last of us 3 Abby is gonna track down Ellie because Abby went back to the fireflies and I’m guessing they have another doctor and there gonna want to get Ellie and Ellie is not going to let them that’s my theory for the the last of us 3 now before anyone says Ellie would give up the cure I doubt it after everything that happened in the last of us 2 Iosing Joel,Jesse and Dina leaving her and her now having a kid I doubt it
Feel bad for her VA
The issue is that this is a GAME. Something is wrong if every time we play as Abby we intentionally jump off cliffs, but then are forced back into keeping her alive. Her story could work in a show/movie but she is the complete enemy of the characters that Neil Druckmann made us love. It is literally the fault of the writers of the first game that we don't like Abby, it's how we're SUPPOSED to feel after how they told the story of part 1. Asking us to try to sympathise with her is one thing, but you can't make us play as her and prevent her from dying. The icing on the cake was the boss fight against Ellie. There is no reason why we wouldn't surrender Abby up to Ellie every time. I feel like they forgot the fundamentals of why video games are immersive and got too lost in the narrative.
2:57 one of my favorite pieces of dialogue in the game
3:06 when the maths teacher asks you a question
LOL FAAAAX
I kind of wish TLOU2 was during the time when Joel was young before he meets Ellie .
Na I dont know how people would feel with no ellie
@@newman-ce3ux joel better than ellie
@@KamusariHR yea I agree but it wouldn't be the same without ellie
from 17:12 "what if we run into someone?"
to "hi my name is joel, we leave nearby, i trust you all and i love strangers, btw my security number is 1234"
like wtf
You've taken this completely out of context, Joel was referring to someone finding out that Ellie is immune, stop twisting words around to serve your argument
@@MM-hi man stop defending bad writing it makes you look bad
@@smoker5989 im not defending anything, im just pointing out how flawed his argument is since he's disregarding the context of the scene
@@MM-hi the writing disregards Joel's caution. Yes, he's cautious about people finding out Ellie is immune, but he's still cautious. He bugs Jesse about her patrols because hes worried about her safety.
I don't buy the "Jackson softened him" argument at all. As we know, he is still worried about Ellie on patrols. Joel does patrols too. Meaning he has to be sharp and careful. Yes, patrols are mostly focused around infected, but the first game establishes that Jackson has issues with bandits. In this game, Ellie mentions that Jackson hides their lookouts well (obviously from other people.)
Being in Jackson would put them at more ease than being out in the world, just the two of them; they could be relatively worry-free inside of the walls of Jackson because they know they're being protected. This would not soften them, though. They all do patrols. They're all protecting the community. It's not just themselves they're looking after, but the entire community. I'd think this would put them on the look-out for anything suspicious.
I buy Joel and Tommy saving a group from a hoarde. I don't buy them telling them their names, allowing themselves to be cornered, and not questioning at all what a heavily armed group is doing so close to Jackson - the community they're supposed to be protecting and defending.
I think that entire sequence was lazy writing. They had a plot they wanted to make, so they made the characters bend to that. They put plot above established characterization, which is lazy.
I don't mind that Joel died. I also respect the cruelty of the world they live in. Joel could have been bitten or gotten shot at any point, that's just the sad reality of this world, happens all the time. I just hate how they made Tommy and Joel act so stupidly and out-of-character.
26:51 What an absolute Chad
I've never heard of a "Chad" that dates golf clubs
@@bruh-ur8sr very funny omg
@@markrios7748 Ikr im the best
That scene was so scary,i only 1 hp or something left when that thing grabbed me and tried to do the TLOU1 execution,i thought it was over,until joel jumped in like a madman,i couldnt trust my eyes :D
I can't express how just watching these two is so beautiful. Naughty Dog definitely dropped the ball with the rest of the story but you could see the potential in the flashbacks
The flashbacks were all we really needed for The Last of Us 2.
Loving those flashbacks
They seem better than the rest of the game
@@JRPGGUY im guessing because it has joel in them?
@@JRPGGUY womp womp joel died
Oh man, why can't THIS be the game?!
Y’all mean to tell me that a dude that took out a bloater with a freaking machete got killed by a freaking golf club?!
Well yeah. He’s still human. get enough blows to the head with a golf club it’ll eventually kill you
Lee 80s yeah yeah everything that lead up to it made no sense I’m speaking in terms of physics
@Lee 80s did you even play the game? It was tommy who told abby his and joel's name. Why? Because they were chased down by a horde of zombies and Tommy wanted to make communication easier. You know, in a sitation between life and death you have to trust strangers at some point to secure your survival. Also you can't expect a person to attack you after you saved the person's life.
@Lee 80s that wouldn't change anything if he didn't confirm it.
@Lee 80s what? Joel and his brother Tommy, living in Jackson.(Abby knew this) Now tell me the probability that there is another Joel from Jackson who has a brother named Tommy.
Joel and ellie in a adventure , this is what we need
Did anyone else notice how you never end up shooting enemies from that far away, and that the bullet drop isn't anything like it is during this scene ?
That Molotov throw fighting the Bloater was a Derp moment if ever I’ve seen one 😂😂
5:18 I had no idea Tommy had a line about Joel’s cooking!
I never understood this sudden jump in character, I understand Ellie growing up, but its retconn for her to suddenly struggle to have a decent conversation with her foster father. I just wish they gave us a decent reason for it, other than Ellie becomes edgy young adult.
There was a good reason, she learns the truth about how he lied to her, its actually really well done, the good story is hidden behind random flashbacks and cutscenes, make sure you find them all, it will make you feel better
She was like this in the end of the first game too
@@DeutscherPatrick not as drastic
@@cat3584 thats clear
Your comment has no relevance
Ok based on the comments, it’s seems everyone would have rather had the flashbacks as the base game rather than what we got instead. And I agree 😤
that would be horrible their would be no plot
@@hh6738 Still would be better than the garbage we got.
I thank god that the people who say that aren't in the gaming industry. Such basic garbage ideas
@@gabrielbustamante7468 That's so true, like as much as I loved the flashbacks, what made them better was that their were only a few. So basically we cherish the moments, if it was the whole game then it wouldn't have been as impactful
The art of conversation would’ve saved so many lives in this game
Let's be honest. Joel was right, there was no cure. Where the hell will you find the resources for mass production in that state of the world?
Not only that. Those that get bitten and actually manage to escape the infected must be a very small minority of people. Chances are, if you are in a situation where you get bitten, you'll get torn apart too. So a vaccine would be fucking useless even if you could mass produce it. And do we really think that the fireflies (who for all their talk of freedom from oppression and saving the world are nothing more that a bunch of violent murderers and terrorists) would just give the vaccine freely to everyone? I very much doubt that.
20:47 How many times did you fail at stealth before you decided to rush in with this beauty of a transition lmao
I just realised that when Joel was describing the Savage Starlight comic, it lowkey foreshadowed Ellie and Abby's final fight
Why couldn’t this story be good?
26:49 the way joel’s breathing is so shaky and his voice trembles telling her to come on after that close call has me tearing up. HE LOVED HER SO MUCH 🥹🥹
All the flashbacks should have been the game.
Let’s not talk about how they switched Joel’s appearance in the game after deceiving us in the trailer nice one naughty dog.
The flashbacks are the best parts in this game
i just don’t understand how Naughty Dog thought it was a good idea to make us play half of their new game playing a character we don’t even like because she murders the main character from the first game which was critically acclaimed?? Like wtf they’re supposed to be smart
NaughtyDog was pretencious and thought we could forgive her but it didn't work
@@smoker5989 it did work. Your just mad joel died and automatically hated the game
The first half seems solid.
The second half just seems to be a downward spiral to try and get you to feel empathy towards Abby.
And the ending is just, really?
Sums it up. I agree
Many people can agree TLOU2 ending is one of the worst ending in history of gaming
@@akhonankosi4704 no the ending was alright Ellie made the right choice to let them go if you wonder why I can tell you
@@akhonankosi4704 you lack understanding that's why I mean I totally get it that's your opinion
@@akhonankosi4704 🤦♂️
23:07 Joel is a beast .
Lemme get that for u 26:50
@@Impala_AE I was talking about Joel killing 2 clickers in one shot. lol
03:01 the most funny part
7:52
“Are you sure you don’t want to come?”
Draws gun
I love how not only does Joel adopt Ellie as his daughter but Tommy takes her as his niece as well.
I really enjoyed the museum scene with the dinosaurs with Joel and ellie
The end might have been too much, but deep inside us we know that Ellie still has Tommy, Maria and Dina...yet, Joel is gone and that is the most painful thing ever done in a videogame. If Naughty Dog is serious on making a Third game, I truly hope they give Ellie a new purpose to fight for after Joel’s death. Like she did with him.
If you don’t know, Tommy actually gets killed by Abby
@@lusakapijimpanga4134 nop. Tommy loses his eye and he can't Walk. It is even worse... or not. You choose
No,he somehow survived this headshot,after Dina gave birth to the baby,Ellie decided to give up on getting her revenge,but Tommy tells her where Abby is,then she hunted Abby down again
dina leaves her basically, so at the end she is just all alone
3rd game should be Young Joel at the beginning
They could have made an entire game all around this flashbacks and it would be better than this pile of crap
FACTS
FACTS
Facts
*FACTS*
FACTS
That man that got killed in the cabin with a golf club, that's not Joel
This man right here, at 26:50, *_this_* is Joel
Tommy's voice is so soothing
Yes more of this emotional character building with Joel and Ellie,
WTF is this muscular women named Abby, a character nobodies cares about horde more gameplay than Joel, who was the best part of the first game,
If the entire game was like this scene, Ellie and Joel living though this infected zombie world, building their character it would be fine,
But Instead we got cheap last of us fan fiction written by a ten year old
Niel Druckmann doesnt want this game to be just fine. He wants you to pasionatelly hate it :D :D :D
What you want sounds dumb.
@@Dragonage2ftw shut the f****** that's what made the first game so special
Yeah....you know what?? This game doesn’t even function as a sequel
You know happy ending isn't always the case, right?
7:52 are you sure you don't wanna come?
*Pulls out gun.*
Joel to Ellie : "there was no cure" (i dont wanna lose you)
Joel to Ellie : "you wish things different..." (you wish you die there and hope of mankind become reality)
Joel to Ellie : "...i wish things diferent" (yea i hope i can accept to lose you, just for that bullshit, and what if they dont make it?)
Joel to Ellie : "... but they ain't" (I dont think so i would sacrifice you for that bullshit)
To be fair, i really liked the game. and tommy is such a cool character too, his transformation into a broken man is tragic but natural
I honestly didn’t think Ellie would ever lose faith in Joel after everything he has done for her. So this made me sad 😢
When you realize this scene foreshadows Tommy's deadly proficiency with a sniper rifle...
9:50 looks like Ellie liked someone else before Dina
I really liked what the characters erote in their checkbook, or thing for when they are on patrol, just puts in so much character depth and stuff we *SHOULDVE* had
25:46 Stay away from her!!
*gets head smashed with a makeshift grenade*
If anyone notices, Tommy’s face has been changed in this game to resemble Joel
Ya he looks joeler
Nah he loos good only changed his haircut
He's got a ponytail.
he looks even more like brad pitt
"It was a nice twist how they escaped though."
...Thanks Naughty Dog...
I really loved seeing how Tommy became Uncle Tommy.
Ellie : « if only they were immune right ? »
Joel :*holding breath
I think this is where people would say that Joel hasn't lost his cautious side, like where he tells Ellie to put her mask on. But I really think above all else, this is Joel just trying to cover for himself. He harps on Ellie about it for a bit; he seems insecure, like if someone found out Ellie was immune, they would most likely talk to Ellie about how a rampaging maniac destroyed society's chance of getting a vaccine via the one girl who was immune. If there were dozens of people that were immune like Joel said, then Joel wouldn't have as much of a reason to hide it and be "cautious" about that of all things.
all of the flashbacks were great in this game
I agree, there relationship and how it develops in part two is actually very well done. It should have all been told in chronological order instead of chopped up alongside the the terrible writing that all happened after joel died.
6:48 this is the same place where Tommy Joel and Abby were surrounded with infected and Abby invites them to her place.
I like how Tommy’s subtitles said Joel was “god” at killing shit
Seeing Joel take that bloater on like that brings a tear to my eye 😢