I was always thinking how Ellie was not alone, the others with her condition were just shot because of positive test. And when I started watching the series with my parents, my mother pointed out that they can't know if others are immune because they kill them if test is positive.
Your mother could be right that there were others who could have been so called immune too, but got killed immediately upon a positive test. Ellie herself could have/and would have been killed many times due to her positive test reading.
Now my medical degree comes in handy: Having a disease from one family of diseases sometimes makes you immune to others from the same family. That's how vaccination was discovered: People with cowpox didn't get normal pox. Cowpox isn't deadly though. People might just become immune to the Zombie-fungus after one infection but never survive long enough for that to happen. Ellie got infected by one version of that fungus and became immune. The fungus is a immunosupressant, yes, but not strong enough to stop the immune system from keeping zombiefication away. So she could infect other people, making them immune as well, essentially enabling the vaccination from Part 1 again.
This won't work. Ellie was bitten by a infected human ( or whatever you want call them ). This means she did NOT get the non-threatening version of the cordyceps. Meaning she is immune. I don't exactly remember, but in part 2 jerry ( abby's father ) says that the mutated infection remnants has intertwined with the brain. That means she has to be infected, but she's not.
@@akayefeagar6529 Well Ellie could have gotten infected by the different strand before getting bitten by some cause. Ellie says in part 2 that she can't share her immunity tho
the sad thing about this is that there would be more people actually immune for the same reason but resort to just killing themselves "before they turn" when they get bitten or accidentally breath spores so they would never know they could survive
this is why i would never kill myself if i was bitten by a zombie or infected by like the t-virus or something because just what if i was immune or just wasn't going to die? and if i do turn into a zombie i wouldn't even have the ability to care ab it lol
@@Iionsong infection is supposed to kick in little by little, so you'll be aware of it before you fully turn into an infected. That's when you have a shot at finishing it off for good or let nature run its course and become an aspiring rat king limb lol
Coming back here after the reveal on how Ellie was born might have the key to explaining why she isn't turning into a zombie. Anna (her mom) got bit right as she was being born, and before her umbilical cord was cut. That might be how Ellie's newborn self was inoculated with the cordyceps infection but at a much smaller amount so much so that as she grew up, her body got used to it and it didn't have the serious effects on her.
I think you're right, maybe ellie was never been bitten but has cordyseps to her blood when anna cut the thing on her so it became like its normal to her condition
i think it DID have serious effects. a symbiotic relationship if i might add. she doesnt die instantly to bullets ingame, allowing the virus inside her not die instantly (lore for why she isnt that squishy ingame)
Just some Forest Ranger with Internet Access unless you’re a reincarnation of someone who died via flu in a past life, then I’m curious as to how you’d know which is more a pleasant way to die lol
If the doctors weren't retarded and understood what was happening with ellie killing her would be useless since they can find the same cordyceps infectjng ellie and make it it immunizes them while making there immjne system still good
Joel was right. Ellie's life was more important. If a cure wasn't created in the first decade of the apocalypse... Then it would be a waste of time in the following 20 years. Joel made the right choice.
@@thekidwhogotframed8868 Um the doctors wrote all that down in the span of say an hour or two. They didnt have a lot of time to work with before Joel went on his killing spree....Amazing to call someone retarded while showing the same signs.
Rewatching this episode after going through a medical lab tech program, I immediately paused at the CBC screenshot and read through. One thing, though, MatPat: Hematocrit is not a type of cell, it's the percentage of cells in your blood to the serum. Similarly, for the doctors note on the elevated level in her serum and CSF, he's talking about the levels in her *blood* serum and cerebral spinal fluid, not just her central nervous system.
@@41tinman41 When i played, i thought she DID infect him. That's why he was so creepy and aggressive during the final fight. He was slowly turning. I guess he wasn't, and he was just pissed off at her lol
Ben Anasarias didn’t she say with Dina “I can’t get you infected if that’s what your wondering I can’t get you immune ether” so how would that work would her sailva be her strain of the virus? And get Dina immune
@@LannasMissingLink What point are you trying to make because you haven't made one. I'll explain to save time: Using the theory in the video, the most we can say is she's either immune to one type of the virus or all other types of the virus. Those who emit spores are emitting spores from the same type (zombie) virus. Ellie is already infected with a different strain of the virus that combats against the zombie making strain or (in theory) all other strains that she doesn't have.
@@LannasMissingLink You clearly haven't seen what an actual essay looks like. But I accept the acknowledgement of your mistake. Next time watch the entire thing and think before you try to make a conflicting statment. Good day (or evening) to you.
Heres my theory, maybe ellies body doesnt fight the infection such as its said. where other peoples body for some reason do. and when the infection feels some pushback it goes into defensive mode and locksdown the entire body which causes the full infection. And since ellie's never fights the infection it feels no need to fight her and just continues to live within her body like a symbiotic relationship.
What's interesting is that in the farm, if you go in Ellie's journal, she was complaining about her eyes hurting a lot and that's typically the first area where the fungus attacks
I want TLOU 3 to just be Ellie running around saving and then biting people before disappearing, almost like a zombie apocalypse Batman (bonus points if she comes with a jaw or tooth-based costume, like maybe she throws jawarangs she spat on XD). Can't be worse than part 2... lol...
In the series that released this year, it showed that Ellie's mum was bit by a zombie just before giving birth, and since the umbilical cord is connected the cordyceps entered Ellie through the cord right before birth, therefore when she was bitten the cordyceps already thought she was infected so it didn't attack her.
I rlly wish he would do another theory now since the series is out and the explanation that they give us is basically: "her mother got bitten when she was born so shes used to it" even though I find Matts explanation better 😭
@@luna-zw3rd not for me persoanlly, Ellie got bit by a regular zombie as well as Riley, and she died. How could she be infected prior to that? By spores maybe? I don't buy it, even without the 'official' show explanation.
No reason for a new theory, because Ellie's mother did not turn, but was shot because they assumed that she would turn, so we do not know if she actually also was immune.
tbh im gonna consider the tv series as its own universe. they changed a lot and probably added things that are incorrect or unnecessary (like why would marlene keep ellie chained in a room 💀💀)
I always felt like Ellie’s infection just evolved to a different form of symbiosis. Cordyceps is an ascomycota fungi, also known as a sac fungi. Cordyceps has a parasitic relationship with its host. However, I believe Ellie’s fungus functions in a mutualistic way. Fungus is less parasitic than one might think. Fungi actually evolved alongside plants. A lot of fungi actually has a mutualistic relationship with plants; this relationship is SO prominent it was given a name: mycorrhizae. I believe the cordyceps mutation is a valid explanation to why her chart was so weird. However, I also believe the mutated cordyceps is improving her physical condition, much like some fungi do with plants. This could be a result of the fungus evolving to NOT kill its host, because it is more beneficial to the fungus. Now, what I don’t understand is WHY THEY HAD TO REMOVE HER BRAIN TO MAKE THE VACCINE! They were literally growing fungal cultures with her blood. If this theory was correct, they would’ve been able to differentiate the fungus through the brown cultures. Why did they have to remove the WHOLE fungus to get results? It just doesn’t make sense. Anyway, thx for the vid.
@@wulfheort8021 I think when Chicken said ".. evolving alongside plant" is.. the symbiosis itself evolves? Likeee Plant A and Fungi B turned into organism C and the organism C evolves or maybe it's referring to how the symbiosis relationship itself evolves.. #CMIIW tho, that's just what I understand, might be wrong XDD cheers!
Yes and no. Is inmune in the sense that a different cordyceps keeps her body safe while hosting it from other cordyceps... But it is not in the sense that she is already infected by a cordyceps
It is like saying that you had not seen the glory of lord of the rings because you saw the movie and not the books... Or something like that, I guess... Or maybe nor
1: Ellie bit Abby in a fight, does that mean she's immune too? 2: How did the zombie that bit her get her infected with the wrong Cordyceps when the zombie had the right type? (if that makes any sense)
We've seen that breathing in some spores can infect you. She might have inhaled some good spores in her past making her already infected before the bite
in the "Left Behind" dlc to the first game, Ellie gets bit by an infected. She mentions in the main game that her friend Riley also got bit and turned into an infected. Since the cordyceps originated in flour, (as theorized in a theory from much later than this video) she couldn't have been given the strain of cordyceps you claim she has because there would be too much risk in making flour, or let alone farm the wheat necessary... But don't quote me on that...
That's what makes MatPat's theory BS. With a weakened immune system and if a common cold is present, she would definitely get it. So, he's telling me that she avoided the common cold for 5 years in a cowboy type setting? That's pure BS
@@overlord267 Her having a weakened immune system isn't the conclusion of the theory. It's the evidence given to us by the game 8:10. if you have a problem with Ellie surviving so long without getting a cold, it's the game developers you should be mad at, not matpat
She’s technically not immune, just well defended against it. Think of it like a shield, and the version she has just accidentally gave that shield spikes. It just makes her more defended against the other fungi.
I thought of something else. Somebody talks about that Ellies mom got infected while she was pregnant with Ellie. So I was thinking that the fungus got into Ellie system before she was born, making her immune.
Snrub can y’all just say you hate it and move tf on. Not everyone agrees that it wasn’t good. Just move on with your life if you wish you could unplay it
These videos are stupid though, they demonstrate why the games would never have happened, thus demonstrating how is real world science had no application to the laws of science in this world. Hes basically proving why the apocalypse cant happen to begin with so it's just clearly not applicable to the actual game
@@coletrainhetrick you clearly dont get the point of this video "remember, its just a theory, A GAME THEORY" the point of this video is to pick a fictional scenario and apply it to the real world, thus making an interesting video AND making us learn more about the game and the real world, this just makes the game more interesting, thinking of the devs thought everything through, and how. accurate it actually is!
I mean, technically she *isn't* immune, immunity would mean her own body wouldn't be affected by it - like, if she somehow gets rid of her current infection, the other strain can and would turn her into a zombie. She just happens to have built-in armor, which isn't really the same thing.
She isn't immune though she did contract the fungal infection it's just that she conveniently contracted the strain that also acts as a fungal repellent by virtue of being stronger by being able to displace any of the other more dangerous strains.
Exactly. Like this is how the first small pox vaccine was created. Because the antibodies for both cow pox and small pox are the same so when we were exposed to cow pox our bodies create the anti bodies. Same thing goes for this fungus. Her body has created antibodies due to exposure of a similar but harmless fungus that can fight off this fungus
@@2Trulyy No, they say she is inmune. No one consider that she is a normal girl that have the luck to be infected by another kind of fungus, they think that she is special and according to this theory, she is not
Yeah. But I still think about how did she get infected with the wrong Fungi? She got bitten by a Zombie. Did the Zombie have both , the good and the bad Fungi? That wouldn't make any sense tho when the good Fungi fights off others.
I would never expect her to be magically immune haha. This sounds like a good theory. The big question is… would the doctors REALLY have needed to kill her in order to find out this information.
No, with the proper equipment they could have figured out it was a different strain of the fungus, I just don't think they'd thought of the possibility. They had resolved themselves to thinking if they can get at the Fungus in her brain then they can create a 'vaccine' from it. Which wasn't wrong either since infecting others with the same Fungus would have infact made them immune to the zombie variant.
@@samanthagerbrandt7543 I don't think the technology to do so is that advanced. It's just analyzing some samples. They could probably take some blood samples and it would be valid, and they clearly have the ability to analyze blood samples.
that "doctor" was probably young enough and not been able to finish his medical studies because of outbreak, plus 20 years into the future without knowing new knowledge, and some knowledge lost during that 20 year span, its probably that the best doctors are dead and we're left with freshly graduated students/not-able-to-finish--medical-school-students.
Exactly what I thought in fact doctors could’ve been the first to go since stupid people probably took the zombies to hospitals cuz they thought they could cure em
nah she bit david and he didn't turn and in her journal in part II she wrote about kissing a girl and was scared about whether or not she could get her infected, but she didn't
@@aliyahbadillo I don't see how that contradicts their point in any way....the statement was implying that if Ellie could spread her "immunity"... Which none of the characters would even know if they were...
These "didnt turn, so..." comments are pissing me off -.- Learn to read. Ellie didn't turn when she got bit either. OP is talking about the immunity fungi, not the zombie fungi.
It's immune in the same way that a bullet proof vest makes you immune to bullets. It's not Ellie being immune, just being unable to get infected to begin with.
@@duddude321 Yes, but the protection is inside of her and can't be removed so that's a distinction without a difference. She's not immune in the was a person normally becomes immune to a disease, but she is, seemingly permanently, immune to its effects.
Pretty sure that her mother got infected before ellie was born leading to immunity since she has been exposed as a kid with a little bit of it so she learned how to live with it/he body learned
That's kinda sad then, because... [Spoilers]. Everyone, even Joel or the doctors, died in vain. They were not even right about the cure in the first game, that means Abby killed Joel in vain such as he killed her father and the fireflies...
what he is saying is that her immunity is not because of something that her body naturally does or produces (her white blood cells are in fact lower than normal). so its more like she has got the antidote to the fungus rather than being immune.
@@sahandghorbani7351 right and Im saying this isn't some groundbreaking revelation. They never said her body was immune to the fungus. Her strain mutated and she is basically a non-symptomatic carrier. I think the confusion comes from the people in the game throwing around "she's immune" to describe her condition but honestly how else do you describe it without going into detail.
@@fenndog89 at the end of the first game Marlene literally says “the growth has somehow mutated, it’s why she’s immune”........she’s definitely immune.
Who would realize the real reason Ellie is immune (or how to be immune): A group of licensed scientists and doctors working for years or A group of theoretician boya
The scientists in the 1st game literally said she was immune because of a mutation in the fungus. Go to ruclips.net/video/XoeZJLHnbNk/видео.html and look at 1:24:15, it's the scene in the last of us where Marlene tells Joel that Ellie has to die. She literally says that the fungus inside her has somehow mutated. The doctors knew exactly what they were doing, Matpat just reworded what the game said and acted like the game never said it.
@@zarki-games The scientists are constantly contradicting themselves, though. Jerry tells Marlene that Ellie's fungus has mutated and the only way to get it is brain surgery. But, in that same game, his own recording reveals that he has no idea how her immunity works but that he already has a sample of the fungus in her body, which he grew from her cerebrospinal fluid. Either the scientists didn't know what they were doing or Naughty Dog didn't.
@@kbrennan3836 Maybe that recording was made prior to when they figured it out. Maybe they couldn't cultivate that sample. Maybe that sample couldn't infect people. I know that there are a lot of maybes but a lot of them are explanations that at least make some sense. Worst case scenario is that Naughty Dog, a game developer, didn't fully understand the science. Which isn't too hard to imagine.
Doubt real life scientists can bother with one of the many zombie game that combines real life and fictional science. But if we're talking in-universe, lets do the math. Obviously the experts (before things collapsed) were busy trying to figure it out and thus most were infected before learning what it is. The other few were either lucky, missed some close calls or were second rate. Then the number dwindles given the post apocalypse nature of this world, to the days of TLOU 1. Even then the remaining few, doubt the majority are with the Firefly to be aware, or even Firefly is aware of other doctors that can tackle this problem. Thus leaving us with the accounts of the only people that we see, and even they are sometimes contradicting.
I mean, they buried him. Even if he had somehow miraculously survived his injuries, the suffocation caused by being buried alive would've finished the job. I know this comment was only a joke.
Actually, since she was born after the zombie infection and destruction of most of mankind, diseases would spread much more slowly. Transport is basically non existent and most people are dead, so the common cold would be a lot less common. But that’s just a theory
thought so too... took a look at the video from last year on the same date just in case. ruclips.net/video/Ej3JRBbOcmM/видео.html - nothing that I saw buuuuut also I'm lazy today haha
In the theater Ellie bites Abby. Do you think Ellie could have passed her immunity on to Abby that way? Cause that could make for a super interesting part 3 where Abby discovers she's immune and manages to create the vaccine in her fathers place...
That would mean Ellie can pass the infection through saliva. Which is would imply she probably infected Dina through kissing or intercourse, and Dina would have passed it to JJ while carrying him in her womb or breastfeeding. Doubt they would go that route cause then things would start getting convoluted
I put off this video until I finished the game (I played it beginning to end in the last week) and that is exactly what I was thinking after having all of the game fresh in my mind
Mat: Ellie isn't immue Me: pfft, so what you just gonna tell us that she has the infection, its just that she doesn't turn Mat: well yeah actually Me: say what?
There's a lot to unpack here so I guess I can take it point by point but there is some cherry picking occurring. The video log of the Doc who monitored her stated her WBC is normal however the documentation states otherwise. The other issue comes in where she got her fungal infection from being bitten by an infected runner. If that was another form of fungi, that would mean that runner which infected her shouldn't have been infected in the first place as well. As though if Matt's argument that she just has a different species in her, and that's what keeps her from being zombified, that original point of contact would not have been infected either. Also, there's zero chance that one form of fungi would suddenly become another over six hours/3 weeks. For his theory to be true, the concept of evolutionary biology would need to completely not exist. Furthermore, the documentation of her WBCs are low and that's agreed. However if they are consistently that low so much as a scrap on her knee would lead to massive infections from S. aureus, S. epidermis, etc. And if she had gotten one from S. aureus I'd give her a few weeks at best to be alive if not dead by a few days. But the deciding factor in her death would have been the moment she lost her fingers. She was fighting someone who has terrible hygene, in an open body of water, with an open wound in which she stitched closed with her bare hands in an open environment, and had her fingers bitten off--where the mouth is one of the most filty areas of the body. There are several times in which she would have died from bacterial infection long past but didn't. I can only guess from there the documentation is inaccurate and his theory would require a twisting of the very concept of e.biology.
This was basically confirmed near the conclusion of the first game, as Marlene tells Joel that the cordyceps in Ellie’s brain have “somehow mutated and is why she’s immune”
In the first game, when Ellie is being Smuggled by Joel be and Tess, they run into Some soldiers, the soldiers check to see if they are Infected. And Ellie tested positive, just before she stabs the soldier.
Mat already said that they weren't capable of finding out that she had a different kind of the cordyceps so some standard-issue scanner that every soldier has won't be able to tell the difference either.
If you played the game, you'd know Ellie planned to die with her best friend when they both got bit, but she watched her friend die and Ellie never "got her turn". So she then realized she was immune and now Ellie wanted, or rather NEEDED her immunity to mean something, and if her death would've saved the human race than yes, she wanted to die
@@killermiller714 wait if ellie and her Bestfriend both got infected by the same fungus which is the other different version of cordyceps then how did ellie's best friend turned into a zombie i mean she shouldn't have turned because now the different cordyceps is now protecting her from the actual zombie making cordiceps Right ?
It wouldn’t change anything If it’s the first stage of infection then you might have some chance of saving the person cause the fungus hasn’t grown that much But starting from stage 2 infection, it’s beyond saving cause the fungus is too overgrown in the body
So I suppose Ellie was “infected” before even getting bitten the first time? Because the infected that first bit her cannot be a mindless zombie if he has the type of fungus Ellie has.
But if she was, why didn't it show in the zone i mean thay had to have run tests on everyone periodically idk it just seems like there are a couple of holes in this theory
Exactly, that is what i was thinking. It wouldnt make sense ellie got the good fungus from a zombie that had the bad fungus. So, ellie in order to get the good virus should have been bitten with someone with the good fungus but i dont know if it is possible because all the zombies have the bad type.
It doesn't really make sense how he says that she was infected by a different cordyceps when in left behind Riley and Ellie ate clearly bitten by some runners
Question: If this other fungus doesnt make you a zombie then why did she get it by being bitten? Or is it that she got it from the other fungus prior to all this. But if she got it from this fungus before all of this then why did the people that she was going with prior to Joel died?
@@shyunicorngamesandvlogs6310 I don't think you understand how fungi work. The fungus she contracted is an close relative to the fungus that turns them to zombies and produces spores, but there are NOT the same. Only a few fungus types zombify humans(Or ants), and create spores like that. Most likely, it would live primarily in the brain and travel bloodstream where her bodily fluids would transport the fungus to other hosts.
@Aleksa Kurtovic everyone blaming Neil druckman and saying he's a bad story writer, however wouldn't you think everyone would have hated the first game? No as a matter of fact everyone loved it.
From the future, in the Last of Us tv series, it’s explained that Ellie was born while her mother was in the process of being infected, and had her umbilical cord cut before the cordiceps could fully take root in her. They then say that it gave her “messenger cells” that convince the cordiceps that she’s already infected and so to not zombify her.
Forgive me, but hasn't this theory been stated in the game this whole time? If I remember correctly the game literally states that the reason that the medical nerds want to cut open Ellie is because they know that she's been infected with a mild strain of Cordyceps that's preventing her from getting infected by the zombie fungus. The surgeons assumed that Ellie was immune because she had a mutated version of Cordyceps that never managed to make it to stage 2, and assumed that Ellie was protected because like the situation with Cowpox and Smallpox "There can only be one!" so they had the big picture, but they got the details wrong. If only they didn't make everything confusing by using the word vaccine out of context. However, I think those surgeons should still be fired. EDIT: I was wrong about the Cowpox/Smallpox analogy. I double checked myself and realized that being infected with Cowpox just vaccinated you against Smallpox. The point is still valid, though. I was able to affirm that fungi are remarkably competitive and will often fight over the right to be the sole fungal parasite of a host, as can be shown in the interesting rock paper scissors scenario found in this article: bmcmicrobiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12866-016-0698-3 Even more interesting, however, was this article I found from National Geographic:www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/04/cordyceps-zombie-fungus-takes-over-ants/#:~:text=Researchers%20think%20the%20fungus%2C%20found,slowly%20takes%20over%20its%20behavior.&text=As%20the%20infection%20advances%2C%20the,favorable%20to%20the%20fungus%27s%20growth . Apparently those doctors were worse than we thought. According to this article, Cordyceps is not a localized infection that infects the brain. In fact, it doesn't infect the brain AT ALL. First it spreads quietly for a few days throughout the body to avoid being detected by other insects, before causing erratic behavior through direct manipulation of the muscles and nervous system before it performs it's iconic final move, releasing spores by growing blobs outside of the body. I'll spare you the details, but apparently it's also a pretty poor zombie virus candidate. To summarize, what does this mean for poor Ellie? Even if we give Naughty Dog some creative liberty and assume this version of Cordyceps does infect the brain, the facts about cordyceps and the fact that the zombies have mushroom bits growing out of their stomach shows that it does infect other parts of the body. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason in any reality the doctors would need to cut up Ellie's brain to get a fungus sample. Therefore, the doctors should be fired twice. Joel was justified in shooting them, and Ellie should sue the fireflies for malpractice.
@@urippe You're absolutely right about that about that, I should've cited my sources. I think @mr- Bulcky is right about the timestamp, but I'll look into it again as it has been a few years since I've last heard anything about this game. In the meantime, I've also edited my comment a bit, and you might find the new info interesting. Thanks for the tip!
@@Grace-fx7xn I'm sure that's what he means so he is right. They already explained why she's immune/how. This theory video is a bit more than that but why her fungi mutated differently
E p It’s an apocalypse and she’s definitely not gonna have access to medical care every time she gets hurt. Bacteria gets in those wounds and it can cause an infection. If she has a suppressed immune system, she likely would have died at this point if it were real
The one flaw in this, Ellie was bitten by someone with the “wrong” type. Meaning she must have ingested the “right” type before she got bit. That would be the only way she wouldn’t turn. Otherwise, she’s actually immune
I think Part 3 will be based around ellie’s infection. I watched a theory that Part 3 could be about Abby joining the fireflies and when she arrives she learns they have rebuilt a lab with scientists that were her fathers protege’s and the reason they rebuilt a lab is because they found another immune person. They eventually get attacked before the surgery is complete and the immune survivor gets burned, destroying their brain and therefore cannot be tested on. Abby knows where to find another immune survivor and searches for Ellie across the country with an old and mentally/physically damaged Tommy. The plot is then based around forgiveness and trust as Tommy gets injured on the journey and Lev decides to stay with him to protect him while Abby and Ellie clear a path from raiders or another faction of sorts. Abby and Ellie team up and survive together Ellie and Dina style and begin to talk to each other slowly, forming a bond and connection and the rest of the theory is up for just interpretation as the part 3 theory was. But man a Part 3 with ellie and abby forming a friendship to save whats left of mankind sounds awesome, and imagine the flash backs of Ellie and Joel and Tommy.
Except it isn't. Immunity is something inherent to the person themselves, their own biology. It's what made her special in the story, and why the doctors would have needed her: because you can't get the effect from anything else. If this is the case, they could just find any amount of this strain of the fungus, cultivate, and spread it. No need to even touch her after you figure this out. It's fairly easy to produce and spread, so it would be much easier to deal with the outbreak than a vaccine or an answer that is dependant on the health and biology of one person in the whole world.
"She's immune, just not in the way we thought she was" Uh... she's still immune, right? Also, how could she be not be infected with zombie cordyceps if she was bitten by someone that was infected with it?
No, she's not immune. In medical terms, if you were taking an antimicrobial medication, we would never call you immune to whatever that medicine is targetting. And I guess his assumption is that she must've become "infected" with the other fungi before she got bitten.
@Devil Eye Not necessarily. It's clear the good doctors aren't the greatest at doing their job given they're trying to make a vaccine out of a fungus. With this in mind, Ellie's different strain of cordyceps could very easily be mistaken for a mutation, especially given that Marlene isn't exactly a medical savant herself.
@@lamihadamshareef5270 According to the video, technically yes, by definition no. I think one of the more correct ways to explain her (according to the theory) is resistant? I don't really know I'm not a scientist.
You just explained how imunity works. One root of a virus can give you imunity for other roots. Of course, I don't think that any of that applies to fungal dissease, but the plot can go on even with your story.
@Olumoroti Olugbile *SPOILERS* the other infection keeps the bad infection away so she is immune to the bad infection but it's all thanks for the "good" infection.
I was always thinking how Ellie was not alone, the others with her condition were just shot because of positive test. And when I started watching the series with my parents, my mother pointed out that they can't know if others are immune because they kill them if test is positive.
Or died from a cold :P
Your mother could be right that there were others who could have been so called immune too, but got killed immediately upon a positive test. Ellie herself could have/and would have been killed many times due to her positive test reading.
the boy from the first episode could have been immune
That's both incredibly depressing and very likely.
Which is just crazy considering how easy it is that you can get a false positive for real life viruses.
Now my medical degree comes in handy:
Having a disease from one family of diseases sometimes makes you immune to others from the same family.
That's how vaccination was discovered:
People with cowpox didn't get normal pox. Cowpox isn't deadly though.
People might just become immune to the Zombie-fungus after one infection but never survive long enough for that to happen. Ellie got infected by one version of that fungus and became immune. The fungus is a immunosupressant, yes, but not strong enough to stop the immune system from keeping zombiefication away.
So she could infect other people, making them immune as well, essentially enabling the vaccination from Part 1 again.
Lmao now I'm just imagining Ellie just biting everyone
@@aurin_komak Didn't get that idea, but yes, might work :D
This won't work. Ellie was bitten by a infected human ( or whatever you want call them ). This means she did NOT get the non-threatening version of the cordyceps. Meaning she is immune. I don't exactly remember, but in part 2 jerry ( abby's father ) says that the mutated infection remnants has intertwined with the brain. That means she has to be infected, but she's not.
@@akayefeagar6529 Well Ellie could have gotten infected by the different strand before getting bitten by some cause. Ellie says in part 2 that she can't share her immunity tho
Aaron Galicia Uhh I forgot about that. Thanks man.
the sad thing about this is that there would be more people actually immune for the same reason but resort to just killing themselves "before they turn" when they get bitten or accidentally breath spores so they would never know they could survive
That’s such a good point! But now I’m sad lol
this is why i would never kill myself if i was bitten by a zombie or infected by like the t-virus or something because just what if i was immune or just wasn't going to die? and if i do turn into a zombie i wouldn't even have the ability to care ab it lol
@@Iionsong infection is supposed to kick in little by little, so you'll be aware of it before you fully turn into an infected. That's when you have a shot at finishing it off for good or let nature run its course and become an aspiring rat king limb lol
When the alternative is turning into something like a clicker or bloater, I'd rather just be dead.
they’d totally know if they were immune if they’d breath in spores bcs either you can or you can’t lmaoo
Coming back here after the reveal on how Ellie was born might have the key to explaining why she isn't turning into a zombie. Anna (her mom) got bit right as she was being born, and before her umbilical cord was cut. That might be how Ellie's newborn self was inoculated with the cordyceps infection but at a much smaller amount so much so that as she grew up, her body got used to it and it didn't have the serious effects on her.
yes bc babies develop extremely rapidly with stem cells in a way that adults don't
I think you're right, maybe ellie was never been bitten but has cordyseps to her blood when anna cut the thing on her so it became like its normal to her condition
@@bookofsean8793 she was bitten but she never turned so she lmmune.
@@mrx-od3jithey mean before she was bitten lol
i think it DID have serious effects.
a symbiotic relationship if i might add.
she doesnt die instantly to bullets ingame, allowing the virus inside her not die instantly
(lore for why she isnt that squishy ingame)
Other people: _dies horrifically from zombie infections_
Ellie: "uh oh i got a cold"
*_dies_*
Imagine if this was a ending
Roll credits
NeverLookBack - Nope...sorry I couldn’t resist no more than you could. Lol
No it's got to be something else, this theory could be close but probably not correct.
Just some Forest Ranger with Internet Access unless you’re a reincarnation of someone who died via flu in a past life, then I’m curious as to how you’d know which is more a pleasant way to die lol
Ellie: *Gets mad at Joel*
Joel: *proceeds to talk for over 16 minutes about how she's not actually immune and killing her wouldn't do anything*
If the doctors weren't retarded and understood what was happening with ellie killing her would be useless since they can find the same cordyceps infectjng ellie and make it it immunizes them while making there immjne system still good
Joel was right. Ellie's life was more important. If a cure wasn't created in the first decade of the apocalypse... Then it would be a waste of time in the following 20 years. Joel made the right choice.
@@thekidwhogotframed8868 Um the doctors wrote all that down in the span of say an hour or two. They didnt have a lot of time to work with before Joel went on his killing spree....Amazing to call someone retarded while showing the same signs.
@@thekidwhogotframed8868 heck, just sample with a miniscule spinal tap, and put it in a petri dish.
@@thekidwhogotframed8868 well give them a break,the medical school has been closed for at least 20 years
Ellie : Breathes in spores. Matt : “Just hold on a second”
Ellie got bite many time but not once.
She shoved her hand in to the mouth of a clicker xD
It’s more like, matpat: hold my Diet Coke
You beat me by 2 days
LMAO FAX 😂😂😂
Rewatching this episode after going through a medical lab tech program, I immediately paused at the CBC screenshot and read through. One thing, though, MatPat: Hematocrit is not a type of cell, it's the percentage of cells in your blood to the serum. Similarly, for the doctors note on the elevated level in her serum and CSF, he's talking about the levels in her *blood* serum and cerebral spinal fluid, not just her central nervous system.
Fireflies: “How can we cure ourselves and protect ourselves?”
Ellie: “Get infected.”
So if Ellie starts biting people, they'd be saved. Kinda like that cannibal dude. Heh, too bad he died with a serious case of machete to the face.
@@41tinman41
When i played, i thought she DID infect him. That's why he was so creepy and aggressive during the final fight. He was slowly turning. I guess he wasn't, and he was just pissed off at her lol
Ben Anasarias didn’t she say with Dina “I can’t get you infected if that’s what your wondering I can’t get you immune ether” so how would that work would her sailva be her strain of the virus? And get Dina immune
@@kakashi6957 Hickey excuses
“She’s not immune because she’s already infected and can’t turn into a zombie “
Me: so she’s immune
Immune to one type.
@@brittroobies274 one type? Each zombie is just the spores growing over time
@@LannasMissingLink What point are you trying to make because you haven't made one.
I'll explain to save time:
Using the theory in the video, the most we can say is she's either immune to one type of the virus or all other types of the virus. Those who emit spores are emitting spores from the same type (zombie) virus. Ellie is already infected with a different strain of the virus that combats against the zombie making strain or (in theory) all other strains that she doesn't have.
@@brittroobies274 I'm just gonna ignore your entire essay there. I was still watching the essay when I responded to you so I made a mistake
@@LannasMissingLink You clearly haven't seen what an actual essay looks like. But I accept the acknowledgement of your mistake. Next time watch the entire thing and think before you try to make a conflicting statment.
Good day (or evening) to you.
So to save the world everyone has to get high on mushrooms.
@PepperyPancake but actually yes
Yep
Basically
Only to get killed by every other non-fungal disease
This is the way...
Heres my theory, maybe ellies body doesnt fight the infection such as its said. where other peoples body for some reason do. and when the infection feels some pushback it goes into defensive mode and locksdown the entire body which causes the full infection. And since ellie's never fights the infection it feels no need to fight her and just continues to live within her body like a symbiotic relationship.
I was thinking that too! 😂
I mean, that's not really how any fungi/viruses/bacteria work and we finally got the explanation in the tv show
She probably has the same case as Blade, both are monsters but are different in a way.
What's interesting is that in the farm, if you go in Ellie's journal, she was complaining about her eyes hurting a lot and that's typically the first area where the fungus attacks
ptsd causes eye pain.
she was hallucinating and not sleeping???
@@michellectr didn’t she get bitten again tho?
@@MariaEduarda-fp4xz v sure she got bitten again
@@saul6160 she did
Game: 18+
Mothers: i gave this to my 5 year old son to play and this is so unacceptable
Wait what
Im 9 my dad told my mom to get the last of us 2 and now my mom is telling me to hide from the wlf and zombies in the game.
@@pentadominis481 now that's hilarious 😂
@@zecarrinho4940 indeed
I’m 12 and it’s sick, bruh.
So Ellie should running around biting people to spread her "version" of cordyceps.
yes
No need for a vaccine. End of story. Haha
@@momom9916 yeah . Easy work.
Or... ya know... they could just find a source of the cordyceps that she has.
I want TLOU 3 to just be Ellie running around saving and then biting people before disappearing, almost like a zombie apocalypse Batman (bonus points if she comes with a jaw or tooth-based costume, like maybe she throws jawarangs she spat on XD).
Can't be worse than part 2... lol...
In the series that released this year, it showed that Ellie's mum was bit by a zombie just before giving birth, and since the umbilical cord is connected the cordyceps entered Ellie through the cord right before birth, therefore when she was bitten the cordyceps already thought she was infected so it didn't attack her.
Series isn't Canon
*plottwist:* It was actually the one zombie that bit Ellie that is immune to spreading infections
Then Riley wouldn’t have turned or was she bitten by a different one? I can’t remember
Scott they were bitten by different runners
Ellie is bit twice
But Ellie can breath spores
Why was that human who bit her turned into a zombie then? If they have also been "immune"
intro : has glitch
people who watched latest film Theroy : this is strangely familiar
Eat your cereal
Yeah thats what i was wondering
I'm sensing another ARG
Ngl maybe a new channel???
S u s p i c i o u s
Ellie: I'm immune
Mattpat: Well no but actually yes
You mean:
Well yes but actually no
You mean:
That’s completely correct
Toast Toast no it’s not.
how the zombie, that bit ellie, turned into a zombie if they have a good cordyceps in their body?
@@toastguy210 no, it's convoluted
I rlly wish he would do another theory now since the series is out and the explanation that they give us is basically: "her mother got bitten when she was born so shes used to it" even though I find Matts explanation better 😭
I just wanna know if their explanation actually makes sense in some way
@@luna-zw3rd not for me persoanlly, Ellie got bit by a regular zombie as well as Riley, and she died. How could she be infected prior to that? By spores maybe? I don't buy it, even without the 'official' show explanation.
@@oscarvc10 Huh? Explain further, not sure what your point is.
No reason for a new theory, because Ellie's mother did not turn, but was shot because they assumed that she would turn, so we do not know if she actually also was immune.
tbh im gonna consider the tv series as its own universe. they changed a lot and probably added things that are incorrect or unnecessary (like why would marlene keep ellie chained in a room 💀💀)
*in Thanos' voice*
"I used the Cordyceps to destroy the Cordyceps."
That almost killed me...
@@Ksanthecat oops 😬
I almost died laughing
Lmao dude
Lmao but isn't that what a vaccine is?
I always felt like Ellie’s infection just evolved to a different form of symbiosis. Cordyceps is an ascomycota fungi, also known as a sac fungi. Cordyceps has a parasitic relationship with its host. However, I believe Ellie’s fungus functions in a mutualistic way. Fungus is less parasitic than one might think. Fungi actually evolved alongside plants. A lot of fungi actually has a mutualistic relationship with plants; this relationship is SO prominent it was given a name: mycorrhizae. I believe the cordyceps mutation is a valid explanation to why her chart was so weird. However, I also believe the mutated cordyceps is improving her physical condition, much like some fungi do with plants. This could be a result of the fungus evolving to NOT kill its host, because it is more beneficial to the fungus.
Now, what I don’t understand is WHY THEY HAD TO REMOVE HER BRAIN TO MAKE THE VACCINE! They were literally growing fungal cultures with her blood. If this theory was correct, they would’ve been able to differentiate the fungus through the brown cultures. Why did they have to remove the WHOLE fungus to get results? It just doesn’t make sense.
Anyway, thx for the vid.
Didn't fungi evolve separate from plants? I always hear they are more animal-like than plant-like.
@@wulfheort8021 I think when Chicken said ".. evolving alongside plant" is.. the symbiosis itself evolves? Likeee Plant A and Fungi B turned into organism C and the organism C evolves or maybe it's referring to how the symbiosis relationship itself evolves.. #CMIIW tho, that's just what I understand, might be wrong XDD cheers!
@@pengpengu5551 Mate I have no clue myself to be honest
@@wulfheort8021 ehh cool, pls share!
@@pengpengu5551 oops, the "no" was left out
* Someone gets bit by zombie * but im the main character
the virus: understandable have a great day
Lmao
Underrated comment lol
Good thing it's not a virus then 😕
Sucks Crane didn’t have that plot armor in Dying Light
sandisefer p comedi
I think the showwriters watched your videos matpat cause they changed up the explanation for Ellie's immunity in the show
Wait they did?
They changed it because its hard to show emotions through a gas mask because of spores. They wanted it to be more realistic.
So, at the end of the day... she IS immune lol
I mean...
Well...
Yeah.
Yes and no.
Is inmune in the sense that a different cordyceps keeps her body safe while hosting it from other cordyceps... But it is not in the sense that she is already infected by a cordyceps
If the other cordyceps just disappears then not really idk
It is like saying that you had not seen the glory of lord of the rings because you saw the movie and not the books... Or something like that, I guess... Or maybe nor
@@bartudundar3193 Soooo... she is immune.
Matt: "Ellie's not immune, she's immune!"
What
Essentially, but it’s because of the cordyceps, not her dna
She just have a different kind of cordysept that will not let other cordysept in her body
It’s more like
Matt: Ellie’s not immune, she’s infected
It's like if she was infected with the venom symbiote, and the symbiote fought off all kinds of infections.
1: Ellie bit Abby in a fight, does that mean she's immune too?
2: How did the zombie that bit her get her infected with the wrong Cordyceps when the zombie had the right type? (if that makes any sense)
We've seen that breathing in some spores can infect you. She might have inhaled some good spores in her past making her already infected before the bite
Almost Evil, good spores????
@@hlogilehlogonolo5438 watch the vid
She cant infect people she said that in both games
@@hlogilehlogonolo5438 did you see the video man? 😅 yes the good fungus ones which are keeping her human.
in the "Left Behind" dlc to the first game, Ellie gets bit by an infected. She mentions in the main game that her friend Riley also got bit and turned into an infected. Since the cordyceps originated in flour, (as theorized in a theory from much later than this video) she couldn't have been given the strain of cordyceps you claim she has because there would be too much risk in making flour, or let alone farm the wheat necessary...
But don't quote me on that...
Ellie: You can’t defeat me!
Zombie Cordyceps: I know, but he can!
*Common Cold has entered the chat*
That's what makes MatPat's theory BS. With a weakened immune system and if a common cold is present, she would definitely get it. So, he's telling me that she avoided the common cold for 5 years in a cowboy type setting? That's pure BS
Not only common cold, but with the amount of injuries she must have had, it should have been impossible for her to survive its infections.
@@overlord267 its not if its a theory
@@yeeter201lol8 Logic 100
@@overlord267 Her having a weakened immune system isn't the conclusion of the theory. It's the evidence given to us by the game 8:10.
if you have a problem with Ellie surviving so long without getting a cold, it's the game developers you should be mad at, not matpat
I’ve never felt more called out when he talked about just listening to RUclips videos XD
Sorry but what is ADHD?
@@lubnakhan1547 google it
I just use these videos for background noise
@@lubnakhan1547 attention deficit hyperactive disorder
I had to look up from my Skyrim playing to be guilty
Ellie: got infected with a fungal strain that helps fight off the fungal zombie strain.
Me, a hopeless romantic:
"... Now THAT'S a keeper."
That's brilliant.
zuwert why are u telling this dude lol
It would also be interesting if she were in a symbiotic relationship with the fungus. They could use this to give her special fugi powers.
lmao
Thank god you had nothing to do with writing the story
Yeah like turn into your long gone father since she is Miranda from RE8
Title: Ellie is NOT immune!
*proceeds to explain why and how she is, indeed, immune*
Ok
No she isn't immune she is infected. It just doesn't affect her the same. Its like catch COVID but not exhibiting symptoms.
Dillon Wigmore she is infected with a different strain making her immune to the deadly strain
She’s technically not immune, just well defended against it.
Think of it like a shield, and the version she has just accidentally gave that shield spikes. It just makes her more defended against the other fungi.
Dillon Wigmore talking bout covid and TLOU, check this out ruclips.net/video/MkHZ-_9xCDA/видео.html
Then explain the zombie that bit her how could it carry both when the other one that she "supposedly" has stop other fungi from infecting
I thought of something else. Somebody talks about that Ellies mom got infected while she was pregnant with Ellie. So I was thinking that the fungus got into Ellie system before she was born, making her immune.
:o
*big brainzzz*
@@YN-vw1jz cringe!!!
@@bottledwater3557 cringe doesnt exist yall are just toxic
@@YN-vw1jz nah cause ive only seen band kids say "big brain" after 2018
@@bottledwater3557 oop. I said big brains a lot tbh
Me, who didn't played the second game, : interesting
i wish i could unplay it
Snrub can y’all just say you hate it and move tf on. Not everyone agrees that it wasn’t good. Just move on with your life if you wish you could unplay it
@@RyvrStyxStreams no
@0o0Lucky_Cat0o0 ok
@0o0Lucky_Cat0o0 no, i meant i don't care.
She literally got bit 2 times and went thru spores,she’s inmune
The latest last of us episode: Ellie can save the world
Now: Fungi can save the world
Next: Nukes can save the world
Next: nuggets can save the world
These videos are stupid though, they demonstrate why the games would never have happened, thus demonstrating how is real world science had no application to the laws of science in this world. Hes basically proving why the apocalypse cant happen to begin with so it's just clearly not applicable to the actual game
@@coletrainhetrick I agree hahaha
@@coletrainhetrick you clearly dont get the point of this video "remember, its just a theory, A GAME THEORY" the point of this video is to pick a fictional scenario and apply it to the real world, thus making an interesting video AND making us learn more about the game and the real world, this just makes the game more interesting, thinking of the devs thought everything through, and how. accurate it actually is!
"Ellie is not immune"
Everyone: *Stares with great confusion*
But at the end she is still immune cuz her cordyceps protects the zombie zeps.... so still immune in a sense
Ellie is the disease
*Stares motherfuckerly*
@@backwardslash You have transcended human intelligence
@@backwardslash
They'll be infected and get sick. The body think It's an invader of the body. Maybe die like mentioned, Ellie should be dead by now.
I feel like this theory just proves _how_ Ellie is immune, not that she's not immune.
I mean, technically she *isn't* immune, immunity would mean her own body wouldn't be affected by it - like, if she somehow gets rid of her current infection, the other strain can and would turn her into a zombie. She just happens to have built-in armor, which isn't really the same thing.
EXACTLY
She isn't immune though she did contract the fungal infection it's just that she conveniently contracted the strain that also acts as a fungal repellent by virtue of being stronger by being able to displace any of the other more dangerous strains.
Exactly. Like this is how the first small pox vaccine was created. Because the antibodies for both cow pox and small pox are the same so when we were exposed to cow pox our bodies create the anti bodies. Same thing goes for this fungus. Her body has created antibodies due to exposure of a similar but harmless fungus that can fight off this fungus
According to immunology, as the video explained, what Ellie has does not define as “immune“
i actually find how funny it is that this entire video proves how she immune.
so basically theres a good fungi inside of ellie saying "no u" to every other bad fungi :/
That’s literally what was established in the first game
@@2Trulyy No, they say she is inmune. No one consider that she is a normal girl that have the luck to be infected by another kind of fungus, they think that she is special and according to this theory, she is not
Germán Pablo Helfenberger at the end of the game they clearly state that it was the fungus in her brain that had mutated that made her “immune”
@@locman03 They established that the Fungi in her brain has mutated thus making her immune
Probably had a yeast infection 😂
So basically.
Ellie has a different version of the fungi infection. Which also prevents her from becoming a crazy fungal zombie.
Yeah. But I still think about how did she get infected with the wrong Fungi? She got bitten by a Zombie. Did the Zombie have both , the good and the bad Fungi? That wouldn't make any sense tho when the good Fungi fights off others.
@@LordCrow__ maybe she got it before the 1st bite
@@andreasioannides5780 ye but how tho?
@@LordCrow__ inhaling its spores?
This was already known lot of videos already cover this
I would never expect her to be magically immune haha. This sounds like a good theory. The big question is… would the doctors REALLY have needed to kill her in order to find out this information.
No, with the proper equipment they could have figured out it was a different strain of the fungus, I just don't think they'd thought of the possibility. They had resolved themselves to thinking if they can get at the Fungus in her brain then they can create a 'vaccine' from it. Which wasn't wrong either since infecting others with the same Fungus would have infact made them immune to the zombie variant.
This is why im not mad that Joel killed that doctor
@@SGz_Eliminated okay, but in a post apocalyptic world 20-30 years later, would they even have the equipment to do that?
@@samanthagerbrandt7543 I don't think the technology to do so is that advanced. It's just analyzing some samples. They could probably take some blood samples and it would be valid, and they clearly have the ability to analyze blood samples.
no one in their right mind would kill the only possibility of a cure after a day of meeting them. the doctor is an idiot
Something *serious*
Serious black: “you called?”
wow, the last of us took the "if you can t beat them join them" at whole other level
Lol
I’m laughing so much xD
the other last of us episode: ellie is immune
now: yeah no
Are you still alive
The first theory still makes sense though
Well she is to the bad fungi mutating people, just infected by another that results in her immunity to said fungi.
@MF GTM agreed lmao
@MF GTM *science
that "doctor" was probably young enough and not been able to finish his medical studies because of outbreak, plus 20 years into the future without knowing new knowledge, and some knowledge lost during that 20 year span, its probably that the best doctors are dead and we're left with freshly graduated students/not-able-to-finish--medical-school-students.
damm thats smart thinking right there
Plus he was a dentist
I just finished yr 1 of med school and can tell that the Vaccine approach doesn’t make sense. I don’t think he is a real doctor...
Exactly what I thought in fact doctors could’ve been the first to go since stupid people probably took the zombies to hospitals cuz they thought they could cure em
here some facts about last of us 2 you need to know
ruclips.net/video/oBw_UhqEvu4/видео.html
So TV Show confirms that.
Question: if Ellie bites someone, does she infect someone else with her immunosuppressed cordyceps?
nah she bit david and he didn't turn and in her journal in part II she wrote about kissing a girl and was scared about whether or not she could get her infected, but she didn't
@@aliyahbadillo I don't see how that contradicts their point in any way....the statement was implying that if Ellie could spread her "immunity"... Which none of the characters would even know if they were...
She bit Abby in the game and she didn’t turn so yea
These "didnt turn, so..." comments are pissing me off -.- Learn to read. Ellie didn't turn when she got bit either. OP is talking about the immunity fungi, not the zombie fungi.
@@AmrothEldarion I know right....these people got smooth brains.
Title: Ellie isn't immune
Theory: Ellie is immune but not for the reason you think
Yeah that makes more sense
Gotta have the clickbaits, baby!
It's immune in the same way that a bullet proof vest makes you immune to bullets. It's not Ellie being immune, just being unable to get infected to begin with.
Chris Ray bad analogy bulletproof vests aren’t bulletproof, but bullet resistant
Ellie isn't immune, she's protected.
@@duddude321 Yes, but the protection is inside of her and can't be removed so that's a distinction without a difference. She's not immune in the was a person normally becomes immune to a disease, but she is, seemingly permanently, immune to its effects.
Ellie took her gummy vitamins so that’s why she’s immune
Rat King: _I'm the strongest Cordyceps creation._
Ellie, having eaten several dozen Vitamin Gummies: *A r e y o u s u r e a b o u t t h a t ?*
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wait am i mega immune because i took 3 when I’m supposed to only take two
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As she should. The Karen's are thrivin
Pretty sure that her mother got infected before ellie was born leading to immunity since she has been exposed as a kid with a little bit of it so she learned how to live with it/he body learned
But meh idk
Other people: gets infected and dies a horrific death
Ellie: catches a cold
Ellie: *Guess I'll die now*
What a anticlimactic way to die
I think you forget the fact that they live in a apocalyptic world where modern medicine is no longer around
The more salient title is: She’s immune, but not for the reason you think.
so why didnt abbie get infected after she bit her?
TheArsenalMan125 Because Ellie has no traces of the “bad” infection within her
@@MrJcdelete18 Early in the first game a soldier scans her with the infection detector thingie
LowBird It was only positive because it was reading the “good” infection within her and without the “bad” kind, Abby wasn’t infected
Shes a carrier. Of a strain.
All I'm hearing is Abby's dad was wrong and Joel was right.
GG
honestly.
That's kinda sad then, because...
[Spoilers].
Everyone, even Joel or the doctors, died in vain. They were not even right about the cure in the first game, that means Abby killed Joel in vain such as he killed her father and the fireflies...
i mean it’s better to try than nothing. nothing in the world can be done without trying and attempt
WELL... Maybe they needed to collect a significant sample of the cordyceps from her in order to synthesize that specific vaccine?
Joel was always right and he did the right thing
Then why didn’t Riley become immune? They were bitten by the same zombie
Game logic I guess
Ellie gets bitten.
Ellie: but I'm the main character
Zombie: understandable have a great day
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Niice
😆😆
Very nice
Plot armour says no to your bite.
So, she’s not immune. But she is immune.
She’s not immune. Her fungus mutated. They mention it at the end of the first game
what he is saying is that her immunity is not because of something that her body naturally does or produces (her white blood cells are in fact lower than normal). so its more like she has got the antidote to the fungus rather than being immune.
@@sahandghorbani7351 right and Im saying this isn't some groundbreaking revelation. They never said her body was immune to the fungus. Her strain mutated and she is basically a non-symptomatic carrier. I think the confusion comes from the people in the game throwing around "she's immune" to describe her condition but honestly how else do you describe it without going into detail.
Basically yeah. But the writers could make the story go either way. She could become a new form of infection.
@@fenndog89 at the end of the first game Marlene literally says “the growth has somehow mutated, it’s why she’s immune”........she’s definitely immune.
Who would realize the real reason Ellie is immune (or how to be immune):
A group of licensed scientists and doctors working for years
or
A group of theoretician boya
The scientists in the 1st game literally said she was immune because of a mutation in the fungus. Go to ruclips.net/video/XoeZJLHnbNk/видео.html and look at 1:24:15, it's the scene in the last of us where Marlene tells Joel that Ellie has to die.
She literally says that the fungus inside her has somehow mutated. The doctors knew exactly what they were doing, Matpat just reworded what the game said and acted like the game never said it.
@@zarki-games The scientists are constantly contradicting themselves, though. Jerry tells Marlene that Ellie's fungus has mutated and the only way to get it is brain surgery. But, in that same game, his own recording reveals that he has no idea how her immunity works but that he already has a sample of the fungus in her body, which he grew from her cerebrospinal fluid. Either the scientists didn't know what they were doing or Naughty Dog didn't.
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@@kbrennan3836 Maybe that recording was made prior to when they figured it out. Maybe they couldn't cultivate that sample. Maybe that sample couldn't infect people. I know that there are a lot of maybes but a lot of them are explanations that at least make some sense.
Worst case scenario is that Naughty Dog, a game developer, didn't fully understand the science. Which isn't too hard to imagine.
Doubt real life scientists can bother with one of the many zombie game that combines real life and fictional science.
But if we're talking in-universe, lets do the math. Obviously the experts (before things collapsed) were busy trying to figure it out and thus most were infected before learning what it is. The other few were either lucky, missed some close calls or were second rate. Then the number dwindles given the post apocalypse nature of this world, to the days of TLOU 1. Even then the remaining few, doubt the majority are with the Firefly to be aware, or even Firefly is aware of other doctors that can tackle this problem. Thus leaving us with the accounts of the only people that we see, and even they are sometimes contradicting.
Ellie: gets infected with the wrong cordyceps, so she is immune
Riley: gets infected with the same cordyceps, dies
Ellie: *breathes in spores* Matt: “Well yes but actually no”
seriously though
what is your point?
Next video: “Did Joel really die?🤔”
Now you know he dead
@@SW12234 Sadly yes but we all knew it would happen from the start, things were to perfect and to good
He is
how the zombie, that bit ellie, turned into a zombie if they have a good cordyceps in their body?
I mean, they buried him. Even if he had somehow miraculously survived his injuries, the suffocation caused by being buried alive would've finished the job.
I know this comment was only a joke.
So basically what you're saying is that Ellie is infected with possessive yandere fungus. Sounds about right.
😂when they give a anime adaptation just so we can meet the fungi
...
“I’ll kill every other fungus that tries to take my Senpai AHAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA”
We need a story on this.
bruh
"Ellie's not immune! She's actually........ Immune!"
Ellie: You can’t defeat me
Zombie Fungi: I know but he can
Common cold: Lol u ded
Dessie Atkinson haha, cough go BRRRRRR
what about corona
Actually, since she was born after the zombie infection and destruction of most of mankind, diseases would spread much more slowly. Transport is basically non existent and most people are dead, so the common cold would be a lot less common. But that’s just a theory
Her WBC and RBC are working on very low level, so it's no strange cold killed her.
@@kcnq2245 let him have this its funny
Film Theory: Glitches
Game Theory: Also Glitches
Me: Coincidence? I think not.
Ikr.
That and 7/23
I just thought it was odd that they actually had an intro when, for the last few months, neither channel had an intro.
thought so too... took a look at the video from last year on the same date just in case. ruclips.net/video/Ej3JRBbOcmM/видео.html - nothing that I saw buuuuut also I'm lazy today haha
I think something is happening on the 23rd.
In the theater Ellie bites Abby. Do you think Ellie could have passed her immunity on to Abby that way? Cause that could make for a super interesting part 3 where Abby discovers she's immune and manages to create the vaccine in her fathers place...
That would mean Ellie can pass the infection through saliva. Which is would imply she probably infected Dina through kissing or intercourse, and Dina would have passed it to JJ while carrying him in her womb or breastfeeding. Doubt they would go that route cause then things would start getting convoluted
@@donaldcrider8291 it probably wouldn't? just have done immune people around?
She's just gotta spit into everyone's mouth. .___.
@@dannyboy32125 👀👀 umm wouldnt mind
I put off this video until I finished the game (I played it beginning to end in the last week) and that is exactly what I was thinking after having all of the game fresh in my mind
He said "she MOST LIKELY isn't immune", so you can't hate because this is another not-so-sure-theory.
Mat: Ellie isn't immue
Me: pfft, so what you just gonna tell us that she has the infection, its just that she doesn't turn
Mat: well yeah actually
Me: say what?
Exactly what I'm saying
That's called being immune to
There's a lot to unpack here so I guess I can take it point by point but there is some cherry picking occurring. The video log of the Doc who monitored her stated her WBC is normal however the documentation states otherwise. The other issue comes in where she got her fungal infection from being bitten by an infected runner. If that was another form of fungi, that would mean that runner which infected her shouldn't have been infected in the first place as well. As though if Matt's argument that she just has a different species in her, and that's what keeps her from being zombified, that original point of contact would not have been infected either.
Also, there's zero chance that one form of fungi would suddenly become another over six hours/3 weeks. For his theory to be true, the concept of evolutionary biology would need to completely not exist. Furthermore, the documentation of her WBCs are low and that's agreed. However if they are consistently that low so much as a scrap on her knee would lead to massive infections from S. aureus, S. epidermis, etc. And if she had gotten one from S. aureus I'd give her a few weeks at best to be alive if not dead by a few days. But the deciding factor in her death would have been the moment she lost her fingers. She was fighting someone who has terrible hygene, in an open body of water, with an open wound in which she stitched closed with her bare hands in an open environment, and had her fingers bitten off--where the mouth is one of the most filty areas of the body.
There are several times in which she would have died from bacterial infection long past but didn't. I can only guess from there the documentation is inaccurate and his theory would require a twisting of the very concept of e.biology.
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Dynamax
RamzalTimble Or, the developers just fucked up their medical science.
This was basically confirmed near the conclusion of the first game, as Marlene tells Joel that the cordyceps in Ellie’s brain have “somehow mutated and is why she’s immune”
And he made that one sentence a 16 minute video.
@@therealmalik1119 This video is pretty stupid but we like it because of how excited he sounds
Lol so can this help the coronavirus 🤔 lmfao
@@emperorthylord never in my life have i agree or disagree with a person on the internet you my friend have unlocked that achievement
@@emperorthylord never have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with.
In the first game, when Ellie is being Smuggled by Joel be and Tess, they run into Some soldiers, the soldiers check to see if they are Infected. And Ellie tested positive, just before she stabs the soldier.
She tested positive for cordyceps not the zombie version of it
Just how you like your hints, sprinkled.
Mat already said that they weren't capable of finding out that she had a different kind of the cordyceps so some standard-issue scanner that every soldier has won't be able to tell the difference either.
The soldiers scanner was broken, this is confirmed by Neil Druckmann, theory destroyed
Who's to say that it only pics up on that certain cordycep. May pic up on all of them.
HE WAS RIGHT (kind of)
"I was supposed to die in that hospital."
Ellie flat out wants to die
Deku: *Finally a worthy opponent*
If you played the game, you'd know Ellie planned to die with her best friend when they both got bit, but she watched her friend die and Ellie never "got her turn". So she then realized she was immune and now Ellie wanted, or rather NEEDED her immunity to mean something, and if her death would've saved the human race than yes, she wanted to die
@@killermiller714 wait if ellie and her Bestfriend both got infected by the same fungus which is the other different version of cordyceps then how did ellie's best friend turned into a zombie i mean she shouldn't have turned because now the different cordyceps is now protecting her from the actual zombie making cordiceps
Right ?
Is Ellie gen z?
@@apathyatlas6121 she's gen Z(ombie)
I wonder what would happen if someone were to inject the other type of fungus into an already infected zombie.
need a pet zombie, name him bub, do testing on, would have been a more interesting character than Abby #tsss
M Tea Abby had a really cool backstory and kinda of a good relationship with Yara and Lev
Well there be alot dead zombies.
It wouldn’t change anything
If it’s the first stage of infection then you might have some chance of saving the person cause the fungus hasn’t grown that much
But starting from stage 2 infection, it’s beyond saving cause the fungus is too overgrown in the body
@@Hieulegen27 yep. once that fungus hits your internal organs you're boned
So I suppose Ellie was “infected” before even getting bitten the first time? Because the infected that first bit her cannot be a mindless zombie if he has the type of fungus Ellie has.
yeah I guess that's it. She was already infected when she was bitten.
But if she was, why didn't it show in the zone i mean thay had to have run tests on everyone periodically idk it just seems like there are a couple of holes in this theory
Exactly, that is what i was thinking. It wouldnt make sense ellie got the good fungus from a zombie that had the bad fungus. So, ellie in order to get the good virus should have been bitten with someone with the good fungus but i dont know if it is possible because all the zombies have the bad type.
@@paulgotik But then everyone she lived with her before Left Behind would also be immune, right?
Maybe it she was infected by the good thing before the apocalypse and she just didn't know
It doesn't really make sense how he says that she was infected by a different cordyceps when in left behind Riley and Ellie ate clearly bitten by some runners
Question:
If this other fungus doesnt make you a zombie then why did she get it by being bitten? Or is it that she got it from the other fungus prior to all this. But if she got it from this fungus before all of this then why did the people that she was going with prior to Joel died?
Exactly if she had some kind of immunity fungus spores on her it would of spread just like the zombie fungus spores ergo Matpat is wrong.
True, ND would definitely have to come up with an explanation on how she got the cordeceps if this theory is true.
@@shyunicorngamesandvlogs6310 I don't think you understand how fungi work. The fungus she contracted is an close relative to the fungus that turns them to zombies and produces spores, but there are NOT the same. Only a few fungus types zombify humans(Or ants), and create spores like that. Most likely, it would live primarily in the brain and travel bloodstream where her bodily fluids would transport the fungus to other hosts.
@@kairos4484 You're right!
@Aleksa Kurtovic everyone blaming Neil druckman and saying he's a bad story writer, however wouldn't you think everyone would have hated the first game? No as a matter of fact everyone loved it.
I think the title should be "is ellie REALLY immune?" and then saying how she has a different type of cordyceps would make more sense
That wouldn’t rack in as many views tho
SB Joker tru
Still clickbaiting
Mono832 welcome to the real world son, where people clickbait to get a big enough paycheck to pay bills and put food on the table.
SB Joker better than working a job you hate with minimum wage
“Ellie isn’t immune!”
Ellie is bit and doesn’t turn.
Me: Hmmm, interesting
Edit: After watching video: Oooh, even more interesting
Da it make no sense first
After though it fo
SOUL 5 he speaks the language of the gods
@@lupusthefurry7012 what
With that Logic
An immortal dies to a bullet to the head.
Fire isn’t hot.
Fnaf isn’t a game that made game theory MORE popular
@@handsup1222 who's logic are you refuring to?
From the future, in the Last of Us tv series, it’s explained that Ellie was born while her mother was in the process of being infected, and had her umbilical cord cut before the cordiceps could fully take root in her. They then say that it gave her “messenger cells” that convince the cordiceps that she’s already infected and so to not zombify her.
Forgive me, but hasn't this theory been stated in the game this whole time?
If I remember correctly the game literally states that the reason that the medical nerds want to cut open Ellie is because they know that she's been infected with a mild strain of Cordyceps that's preventing her from getting infected by the zombie fungus.
The surgeons assumed that Ellie was immune because she had a mutated version of Cordyceps that never managed to make it to stage 2, and assumed that Ellie was protected because like the situation with Cowpox and Smallpox "There can only be one!" so they had the big picture, but they got the details wrong. If only they didn't make everything confusing by using the word vaccine out of context.
However, I think those surgeons should still be fired.
EDIT: I was wrong about the Cowpox/Smallpox analogy. I double checked myself and realized that being infected with Cowpox just vaccinated you against Smallpox. The point is still valid, though. I was able to affirm that fungi are remarkably competitive and will often fight over the right to be the sole fungal parasite of a host, as can be shown in the interesting rock paper scissors scenario found in this article: bmcmicrobiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12866-016-0698-3
Even more interesting, however, was this article I found from National Geographic:www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/04/cordyceps-zombie-fungus-takes-over-ants/#:~:text=Researchers%20think%20the%20fungus%2C%20found,slowly%20takes%20over%20its%20behavior.&text=As%20the%20infection%20advances%2C%20the,favorable%20to%20the%20fungus%27s%20growth
. Apparently those doctors were worse than we thought. According to this article, Cordyceps is not a localized infection that infects the brain. In fact, it doesn't infect the brain AT ALL. First it spreads quietly for a few days throughout the body to avoid being detected by other insects, before causing erratic behavior through direct manipulation of the muscles and nervous system before it performs it's iconic final move, releasing spores by growing blobs outside of the body. I'll spare you the details, but apparently it's also a pretty poor zombie virus candidate.
To summarize, what does this mean for poor Ellie? Even if we give Naughty Dog some creative liberty and assume this version of Cordyceps does infect the brain, the facts about cordyceps and the fact that the zombies have mushroom bits growing out of their stomach shows that it does infect other parts of the body. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason in any reality the doctors would need to cut up Ellie's brain to get a fungus sample.
Therefore, the doctors should be fired twice. Joel was justified in shooting them, and Ellie should sue the fireflies for malpractice.
If they do say that you should link that like time stamp in a game walk through or a scene just some source idk
m.ruclips.net/video/peBtE3RGa9Q/видео.html watch it at 1:31:50 cuz i think thats what u mean
@@urippe You're absolutely right about that about that, I should've cited my sources. I think @mr- Bulcky is right about the timestamp, but I'll look into it again as it has been a few years since I've last heard anything about this game. In the meantime, I've also edited my comment a bit, and you might find the new info interesting. Thanks for the tip!
@@Grace-fx7xn I'm sure that's what he means so he is right. They already explained why she's immune/how. This theory video is a bit more than that but why her fungi mutated differently
@@Delstrom2 nice man
Game Theory: Ellie is not immune
Also Game Theory: Yes she is immune
Ellie is not immune, the Cordiceps is benign, and she is therefore immunized. It’s a simple concept
yes, it changes nothing
The duality of man
@@charles_1523 well no, this changes a lot. Because if true - Joel is absolutely justified in saving her.
She breathes spores tho xc
With a suppressed immune system, wouldn't Ellie have died of infection in one of her MANY wounds at some point? It's a game though, so 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah, mAyBe tHaT mUtAtEd bAd sHrOoM hAs dEvELoPeD iTs oWn iMmUnE sYsTeM
No.
E p It’s an apocalypse and she’s definitely not gonna have access to medical care every time she gets hurt. Bacteria gets in those wounds and it can cause an infection. If she has a suppressed immune system, she likely would have died at this point if it were real
@@maddynicolelee I agree with you, otherwise, at the end of The Last of us Part 2, she would have been dead
She got bit by a clicker in Santa Barbara
Seeing that the TV show actually took that theory and put it into the main story just makes me happy
Me too
@@Danny_der_wahre you forgot to switch accounts bud
Me too.
The one flaw in this, Ellie was bitten by someone with the “wrong” type. Meaning she must have ingested the “right” type before she got bit. That would be the only way she wouldn’t turn. Otherwise, she’s actually immune
Exactly. Maybe we'll get a flashback to when she got the other kind in Part 3
I think Part 3 will be based around ellie’s infection. I watched a theory that Part 3 could be about Abby joining the fireflies and when she arrives she learns they have rebuilt a lab with scientists that were her fathers protege’s and the reason they rebuilt a lab is because they found another immune person. They eventually get attacked before the surgery is complete and the immune survivor gets burned, destroying their brain and therefore cannot be tested on. Abby knows where to find another immune survivor and searches for Ellie across the country with an old and mentally/physically damaged Tommy. The plot is then based around forgiveness and trust as Tommy gets injured on the journey and Lev decides to stay with him to protect him while Abby and Ellie clear a path from raiders or another faction of sorts. Abby and Ellie team up and survive together Ellie and Dina style and begin to talk to each other slowly, forming a bond and connection and the rest of the theory is up for just interpretation as the part 3 theory was.
But man a Part 3 with ellie and abby forming a friendship to save whats left of mankind sounds awesome, and imagine the flash backs of Ellie and Joel and Tommy.
Ellies mom was bitten shortly before Ellie was born so
@@redrocketmusics .. her mother did not turn, but was shot because they assumed that she would turn, so we do not know if she was also immune.
Had the same idea while watching this
"Most of you aren't actually watching, just listening"
Me: *baking cookies* I feel called out.
HMMM....YOU LOOK LIKE SOMEONE I KNOW.
@@thegreatmindgorb8948 THERE'S TWO OF YOU NOW?!?
*There multiplying*
@@abbu.mp4 mint chocolate
Can I have one?
Well that's just sounds like being immune with extra steps.
Yeah matpat is trying to ruin the last of us but he failed
Except it isn't. Immunity is something inherent to the person themselves, their own biology. It's what made her special in the story, and why the doctors would have needed her: because you can't get the effect from anything else. If this is the case, they could just find any amount of this strain of the fungus, cultivate, and spread it. No need to even touch her after you figure this out. It's fairly easy to produce and spread, so it would be much easier to deal with the outbreak than a vaccine or an answer that is dependant on the health and biology of one person in the whole world.
@@rogerogue7226 your applying our world's rules of immunity to a video game world whose rules may differ from ours. Your wrong.
Akito Reactions no
@@shyunicorngamesandvlogs6310 whutt did u just say bro lol, "whose rules may differ"? now who's reaching with their theories 😂😂
MatPat: okay let’s cut to the chase.
Me: okay, this is gonna be normal, right?
The intro: SIKE-
Me: AAAAAAAAAA MY EYES AND EARS!!!!!
"She's immune, just not in the way we thought she was"
Uh... she's still immune, right? Also, how could she be not be infected with zombie cordyceps if she was bitten by someone that was infected with it?
And breathes in spores
No, she's not immune. In medical terms, if you were taking an antimicrobial medication, we would never call you immune to whatever that medicine is targetting. And I guess his assumption is that she must've become "infected" with the other fungi before she got bitten.
@@AnshulRaman That's still pretty flawed...
@@devanshouse5027 before the whole zomboogaloo started she got the good cordyceps whoch kills the bad cordyceps.
bc she was exposed to the non zombie cordyceps at birth
“Ellie isn’t immune!”
*Ellie is bit and doesn’t turn into a man-eating zombie.
Me: Who are you so wise in the ways of science?
I love how you didn't finish the video yet and still got 7 likes from people who haven't either.
Monty python
Is everyone forgetting the part where Marlene literally says "the cordyceps infection inside of her has somehow mutated"?
Plasma 1 I guess it mutated to function like the good fungus
Yeah, but which version?
@Devil Eye Not necessarily. It's clear the good doctors aren't the greatest at doing their job given they're trying to make a vaccine out of a fungus. With this in mind, Ellie's different strain of cordyceps could very easily be mistaken for a mutation, especially given that Marlene isn't exactly a medical savant herself.
Yeah, just cordyceps. No specifics
Also it can’t be a different strand of fungus if she got bit by an infected person.
She got bitten the fungus muted and now she can’t turn into a zombie neuter if she inhale spores 🤦🏽
Neither*
OG theorists when they see the intro: Well, here we go again!
I’m an oh but I still don’t understand it sorry..can
You maybe explain?
NxghtShine they did similar stuff when they first revealed film theory
Kira messed up the intro?
It could also be another puzzle like what they did a couple years ago with the gates
New video.... 7/23
So basically: I used the fungus to destroy the fungus
"Did you do it?"
"Yes"
"What did it cost?"
"Another fungus."
He fight drugs, using drugs
-Who killed captain Alex? The movie
Official game: Ellie's immune
Game theory: She's not immune
But in the end she is immune.
@@lamihadamshareef5270 According to the video, technically yes, by definition no.
I think one of the more correct ways to explain her (according to the theory) is resistant? I don't really know I'm not a scientist.
The game states shes not immune. Towards the end of the first one
MineAdventure Why are you here then?
Is it bad I trust game theory more than the devs?
You just explained how imunity works. One root of a virus can give you imunity for other roots. Of course, I don't think that any of that applies to fungal dissease, but the plot can go on even with your story.
Game theory idea: "which pokemon city is best to live at if Pokedex is literal"
This sounds better as an episode of unraveled
Do you mean which one is safest or which one would be the most benefited by the nearby pokemon?
@@Piggly8w8 either or both
The last one in Pokemon shield
NOT Lavender Town.
Start of video: “Ellie isn’t immune”
End of video: “Ellie is immune”
"What I said was true, from a certain point of view."
Bruh, spoiler... i was still watching
@Olumoroti Olugbile *SPOILERS* the other infection keeps the bad infection away so she is immune to the bad infection but it's all thanks for the "good" infection.
Not necessarily that she’s ImMuNe.
Yeah kind of.
My brain at the end: Ah that makes sense.
ok boomer
@@ariff2277 lol ok boomer
Correction: " Ah, that makes sense...ok no" 😂😂👌
Hello fellow craig
"Because trigger"
"Ahh, that makes sense."
"No, it doesn't"
"No,it doesn't"
Goodbye, MatPat, we'll all miss you.