Ernest Wheeler right??? Any time spent in that size of machine is a treat. I have to remind myself I do in fact get paid for it, cuz I’d do it for free. :)
I'm like that with wheel loaders, too. We have those "quiet" nights here at the DOT, where there is no weather to deal with, so we switch to our "stay busy" chores, and cleaning up around the stockpiles, making more 5:1 mix for the roads, or just high piling the snow are the jobs I jump on right away. And yep, I'd do em for free (but don't tell me boss that!)
I love operating my cats 980m/980H but they do a toll to your back after some years of operating and loading haul trucks in some fresh strip loading area.
Good video. The third time I ever used a wheel loader in my life which was very recently, I was asked to load a dump truck (twice) close to the edge of the roadway, with a small drainage ditch between me and the truck so when I approached with the full bucket, I was going up a little embankment. I was a little nervous being a rookie, but I took it real slow, went straight in, and I did not lift my load up until I was very close to the truck, having put my front tires in the ditch before raising. It all worked out good and it was a great experience that gave me a lot of confidence. I am now finding and watching these videos to gain more knowledge before I jump back in the cab which will be very soon.
It's recommended when driving around to lift your bucket up so you can see under it or drive with the bucket as low as possible so you can see over it. A year ago a new operator drove around with the bucket halfway and totally destroyed the car of one of our truckdrivers who was finishing up for the week. The car was parked in front of his truck but the operator didn't see it. Fortunately the driver was not in his car at the time.😮
Just bought my first loader, so I’m still learning, but I’ll share what an old operator told me once when I was on foot on a working job site: “Assume I’m trying to kill you.” I like this so much better than the standard “Don’t assume I can see you” because it puts responsibility on the helpers to move out of the way instead of blindly trusting the operator to always know where you are. Even when driving my small tractor around my family I tell them to assume I’m TRYING to run over them. They stay well clear! Haha
Biggest and best tip for Front End Loader operators is to get a fork lift license first. It'll teach you about centre of gravity but more importantly it'll teach you to take every opportunity to lower your load and keep it low.
I think any HEO should have to get a forklift license before operating. Ain't nothing as sketchy as a propane forklift rated for 8200LBs moving a 7500LB load up a grade. You learn really really quick that COG is the most important aspect of operating anything
Agree...to an extent. A lot of the newer equipment has good backup cameras that actually give you better visibility directly behind you. So I think it is a balance of looking at what you have available.
Thank you for your Vids! I have recently been hired as a loader operator this is one piece of equipment I have never run before although I have run excavators,skid steers,rollers,tractors, etc I have never ran one of these bad boys and very grateful for all your tips. I'm one of those types that don't act like I know everything and always have room for learning and your channel has taught me alot about running Front loaders safely and efficiently! Thanks again
this is great that youre teaching the basics, there are veterans who dont consider some of this, but this makes me want to give an advanced class where you learn how and when to break all these rules
It's pretty hard to teach how to break the rules, it requires a lot of experience to know how far you can push it. You can watch me but don't try this by yourself. When certain things need to be done, they know who to ask. When you see a good operator, it just looks so easy.
As a skid-steer operator for over 20 yrs, biggest mistake I see any "loader" operator make is, traveling with the loader arms all the way up. Center of gravity can work for you and it can quite easily work against you. Operators today have it way to easy. Learn on the older equipment, you'll either learn it or you won't. That's how and where you'll get good operators. Cheers :)
Best is to always learn on and from "oldtimers" my first was ULT160, loader was louder than todays whole stone quarry combined (together with detonations) but it showed me dos and DONTS perfectly. Wear and tear on old machines gives them that "tolerance" towards mistakes of new operators and serves as amazing "warning" if you are doing something wrong.
I am going to Operate a Cat 926M in two weeks but i only drove/operated an old zettelmeyer1801 Loader around Half a year ago. Was quite fun but also challenging. I hope that I'm bit going to get embarassed because there will be lots of Old Experienced Wheelloader operators There.. But we all are going to learn the new Machine this day. But i got the least driving and working experience so I'm quite nervous
Learning on a Cat980 right now and sadly made all those mistakes in the vid. Takes time to really get the feel of when the bucket is flat. It’s a lot of fun, though!
Heel toe method was the easiest way to level the bucket I found. Bring the bucket down to the ground with the toe up a touch than toe down until you feel it than back off a touch so you don't have pressure to cut in. Works great when the auto level isn't working right
@@fdcadet not really, you're just letting the heel touch than rolling the bucket down to get the blade to hit flat. It does sound like quite a process but once you get into a rhythm it goes pretty slick and you know exactly where your edge is
Another tip to keep wheels from spinning is to back drag then scoop. Just can’t over do it! This loosens up the material to grab a bucket size load versus the pressure of an entire pile. Especially with top soil!
Tip 6, a big bucket for light materials and busy yards can make it very easy to not see some one in front of you, always make sure you know who is around you.
Another point on spinning tires. You’ll wear the o-rings out prematurely. Happens mostly in the start of cold weather when the tire pressure drops dramatically. I’ve seen guys throw o-rings moments after a repair because of spinning the tire right on the wheels.
17 I imagine tire pressure gets checked pretty regularly? There’s a lot of factors at play, including the different wheel manufacturers. But we always stocked up on o-rings before the winter.
I used to operate a loader for my local DOT about 5 years ago. I moved departments and haven't been in any equipment ever since. I miss that and driving haul trucks and 10 and 6 yard dump trucks. Be safe out there y'all
when scooping into a pile of fill, if youre not careful, a rock/boulder can roll under the bucket and obstruct your wheel if you keep driving forward. that will cause the loader to lose balance especially if youre already on a slope while coming up higher with the boom
I have been operating front end loader for over 30 yes old loaders ya make sure you stop before direction change new loader you can shift your lever from forward to reverse at max speed it wont hurt the loader hydrostatic pump pumps
I was thrown on a loader with no guidance, same as the comment below, and picked up a lot of bad habits. A year later I took a HEO course, 2 months long, and 'unlearned' everything there and was 'made anew.' I learned on a 924k Cat, which has an adjustable torque setting, once I adjusted it after the course the wheels stopped spinning and the guys who 'taught' me thought I'd mastered it just because the course taught about the importance about reading the manual, lol. Still though, a lot of the stuff they taught me actually held up and was the correct way to do things. 9:49, too, I made that same mistake at first with a full bucket because no one showed me the correct way of doing things at first. HEO courses matter.
Learned on CAT 908 H2 not to Press Throttle to hard, it goes to Throttle Lock, Specially with full loaded bucket and trying to get it in Neutral Gear and can't find it, Keep on Switching between Forwards and Backwards, That ends up to be Exiting Thrill... Bouncing Ball!!!
Out of all the machines that I run the loader is by far my favorite. First of all like the man said when you make a mistake by digging into the ground to far do not run over that spot ever backup immediately fill the hole then continue. And probably the most important thing I look for in a new operator is when they talk about the center of gravity. When they know their center of gravity that as a person teaching them it’s time to shut up and let them go you did your job.
I operate Cat loaders, more specifically 980m and h loaders, the boom or hoist stick has a “return-to-dig” that allows you to push the stick all the way forward when the bucket is far enough up(4’-5’ minimum) and the bucket will drop quickly to a pre-set level(e.g. 1’ above the ground) obviously not all loaders have this feature, and some older Cat models don’t work as well as the newer models, but if you by chance jam forward the boom stick twice, you can drop a 980m bucket all they way to the ground, that follows along with getting to know your machine. Be quick, but don’t get in too big of a hurry, mistakes happen when you push too fast, and big equipment can cause a lot of damage.
Hello, thank you for the tips. I ran a Case 621F (first ever loader for me) for about 2 months and I feel I did "decent" and continually improved. I have changed employers and now am running a Komatsu WA270-8. On both loader I feel I learned quick on most of your tips but I am have difficulty tilting the bucket too much and digging holes. I know the outside upper edges of the bucket is close to level with the blade. You mentioned that there are red lines on you loaders. I know I am probably thinking to hard on it, but could you explain how the lines help? I am in Oklahoma so the grounds is mostly red dirt and CLAY so when it grabs it digs quick. Thank you for your time and please continue with the tips and tricks.
Same thing with a farm tractor. Only difference is, you're already nose heavy. Also harder to see, but the guage bar on the loader tells you well enough. Just hate how "harsh" the loader jerks and "sponge" feeling hydraulics when the bucket gains weight causing a droop/drop making you dig more. Had to correct as going into a pile but i filled the bucket way over its capacitya few times. Clutch is not so nice either. I learn this all just by pushing the tractor to its limits like you said. Helps you know when to stop. Always keep the bucket at hoodline when tranporting. Any lower it spills, and higher its at its furtherest point away frm the tractor making it more tippsy nose wise. Finer lines to play, but becomes a game over time.
Always be open to ideas/tips from other operators. Even if they are younger than you. Nothing worse than working with someone who has been operating for 10+ years and knows it all but butchers every floor they touch
I got an old 70's Lieberr to use for free. After a day of trying to get to know the controls I was ready to dump it over a cliff. No brakes, also throttle dependent hydraulics, non exciting bushes. After using it for a few months I could actually do whatever I want with it, so much so that when the owner who teached me how to operate it came to fetch it, he had to ask me to operate it for him.😄
@@HeavyMetalLearning I have since had him bring in a new Komatsu just like the 1 in this vid, when he asked me to operate it for him as favor 1 day, my reply was that I have never operated a joystick controlled machine. He just laughed and said, well I saw what you could do with that old piece of crap, this will be no problem for you.
@@malancronje6805 lol....I can only imagine but guess it would be MUCH simpler with the newer controls. I would struggle to run one of those older machines for sure.
1. That machine should have an auto level setting for the bucket 2. Lift as you’re digging to put down force on the wheels to limit wheel spin 3. Carry with the loaded bucket as low as possible, that limits the amount of tilt if you were to see a possible upset 4. Float is for people with no experience, an experienced operator should be able to feel the grade beneath them. 5. Get a CAT if you want a nice loader
Bogging/digging in the artic position is not good for the center pin and can cause them to snap. Second is not removing excess from the bucket and causing spillage as you move around. Light flick is all you need and you’ll be sweet all day. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast
A very experienced operator told me that you shouldn’t turn the wheel to full lock if you can at all avoid it and also you shouldn’t be using the brakes (especially on soft surfaces) more than very slightly. Having driven an 8x4 concrete mixer for a while, I get it - preserving the surface you’re on is very important. But also, with hydraulic steering machinery (tractors, loaders) going full lock is gonna burden the hydraulics and thus the engine quite a bit. You’ll feel the difference in the long run especially if it’s your own equipment.
I'm rather new at operating, basically got tossed into a cab and learning the hard way; but when you mean wheel lock, do you mean all the way to the left or right?
I learned a lot from ur video but can you do one on how to change excavator, skid steer and other buckets like wheel loaders thats bout the only problem I having
Great video. But I recommend every new or anyone who has never operated older equipment to do that. Learning how to make a machine work well without all the electronic idiot adjustments you will never be a high quality operator. Why because as soon as these special features such as auto bucket kick out, trackion controll or GPS grading go out you automatically become an unskilled operator.
Aboveitall 47. Also scales. In the 90's I hauled rock out of APAC Tulsa and no matter what material you were getting these operators could load you within a few hundred pounds of your request with no scales. Great operators.
Digging into the pile in second gear. Also second the knowing your machine, first time I hopped into a loader that wasn't 30 years old I didn't realize it had ride control until after I ran it 40km down the highway. Bouncing up and down the whole way.
Almost learned this one the hard way with our excavator and loader. The guys at work always said "Keep your load high so you can see!". Ya. See me fall over or pee my pants maybe lol. I'm glad my instincts to keep things low is the right one.
@@HeavyMetalLearning thanks for looking at it, the Main concern is just, how to go about to Build a Stockpile that is Safe, recently did a Stockpile and almost Rolled the Machine down the side :(
good info . the loader is definitely intimidating to green operators .. my first ever time loading a 777 I hit the boom lockout with a loaded bucket dropping it right on the top of the side board .. the g loader is super touchy and I've come a long way .. it's the best place to be for an operator imo
ExtremeSandbox it was a learning experience .. non stop 777s 12 hours a day and you will get good quick or get replaced .. two years later and now i can hit 200 plus on a good day and want to do something else lol
@@jakes197 992g is the best loader ever built. The 993 is a great loader when it's right but most of the time they aren't. I'm a mechanic and 92's and 777's are my bread and butter. Cheers to ya.
SogySeal ours hasn't been right for two years . the left pedal doesn't work . it operates at full torque all day . I flip to neutral and roll all the time . after I gather enough momentum .. none of the kick outs nor the leveler works . it's screwed up
Just started out 3 weeks ago, thanks for the tips, this Will help me work more productively and more precise. I'm just wondering, any tips on not spilling when tilting backwards or Taking too much in One scoop?
What you need to do is learn to run the old stuff. Like a 1962, 120 Hough pay loader, where you learn how to run it or it would run you. That's why I have trouble with the new stuff. I love the old and slow stuff. You can do a better job by going slow.
Alex Strömberg disagree. You are making the assumption that going fast will get the job done quicker. Not true. If it has to be redone or fixed when done incorrectly the first time then slower and more accurate the first time makes more money.
Hello. Sir, thanks for demonstrating to us how is the proper operation should be as I'm doing the same replica of this, my project DIY RC Wheel Loader Cardboard Version. I try hard to mimic all the features. Only I got reverse horn and flasher beacon plus engine sounds. Hope you come to see it and assist my work. hehe.. well, if you are okay with that. It would be great if you have some words. But anyway I'm satisfied and happy for your demonstration on its operation as it helped me conceptualize my DIY project. Thank you Sir.....
If you want bucket flat... Put it down crowd forward lift machine off ground abit.. then hit crowd up quickly and it'll drop the machine back down and your bucket will be dead flat.. works every time 🤠
Don't drop a full bucket fast, watch out for holes or bumps(even small ones) while loading, and know what you're running your bucket into. I ran into a concrete foundation that didn't move, while it was buried under a pile of gravel. It'll throw you if you ain't buckled in... 🤣
Although I am working towards Forklift operator certification, I am strongly considering moving up to Backhoe operation in time. I just can’t find any OSHA approved training/certification for a Backhoe right now. I heard a lot of backhoe operator jobs are vacant because those dudes are retiring and young people don’t want to do it.
Never angle bucket too much when pushing snow, trying to remove ice can bend cylinders if you catch a manhole cover or curb.The sudden stop can throw you from seat
@@Fyyt 20 yrs of shopping centers,hospitals, grocery stores and other commercial properties,I gave a young guy that warning when he was in his skid loader but he didn't listen a day later he had a huge bruise on his forehead. I have 42 yrs experience in a skid loader
@@emilgunnary8732 jeeezz, you should know where every mh is than, lol. Yeah it's hard to find good help these days. I've snapped a few bolts and shattered a blade once before but you sure do find out where they are In a hurry!
I want so badly to get into machine operating. I've got about a 100hrs on a skid steer but health stopped my construction career in it's tracks. Working outside all winter really takes a toll on the body. Now I need to be in the machines if I want to get back into it. Effed up my driver's license as a kid so I've got some hurdles to climb.
Sandie material is different from dirt material, with dirt to get a full bucket you have to drag the top of the pile back then go back in for your load
I've been operating a John deer 344L for about 10 months now and I'm trying to master it. I'm in icy conditions now so I kearney rim pull control on lowest setting ( 1 out of 3) is best but my biggest issue/ question, I can't get my return to dig or float option to work. Do I have to set it and if so how? Thanks for the video.
Reply to Brad not Landa I like to back blade by using the bucket angle to smooth the material out. May just be me, but I have better and finer control.
How I learned was my first time I was gathering gravel to stem holes for explosives , and we used pressure sensitive caps. So it was watch where the tires are at anytime you moved.
@@trevahoward2808 then you can take and haul five gallon buckets from.a pile of either 3/4 or 3/8 rock to each hole to stem the holes. Now there was like between 6 to 10 feet between the holes, and we was using a very small loader.
Before a new operator gets in the seat , WATCH the Sr. man operate the machine for awhile ! Put the bucket down get out and look and see how close to level you are . Adjust the bucket and look again . Now from the seat look at the guides on the arms or look at the top of the bucket to figure it out . Pushing up piles a little at a time keeping machine centered until you get it figured out . NEVER TRAVEL with the BUCKET up ! It takes years to get good and a feel for the machine . Just go slow until you’re confident . Me 34years last machine JD .
Is it possible to provide additional Operator CAB Protection to Front End Loader (FEL)? Did you guys ever explore this need? Basically to prevent the operator from getting jammed in the Cabin upon falling any big boulders from the bucket to the windshield of the operator cabin. I am looking for that option in CAT FEL 994. The CAB protection, hamper the visibility of the operator and will it make it difficult for the cleaning of the windshield. Please share your views.
Well this is for excavators but I’ll share anyway. When you are putting the machine in resting position. Don’t curl the bucket and rest the pin and put the cylinder in the dirt
I'm pretty sure almost all skids (at least any under 10 years old) should have the float option. Mainly because it is not an added accessory, just is a switch to bypass the boom cylinder so almost all have it. I would check the manual for yours because most likely its there.
Do you have any tips about what to do if you feel like you might be in a bad position. Like if you feel like you could possibly tip over near the edge of uneven ground?
its mostly for back blading, lets the bucket/implement follow the natural slopes of the ground while keeping some down pressure to knock down the big lumps, you'll feel the lever/joy stick "click" into float position and the boom will drop, some loaders click into raise position as well... Dozers, and loaders generally have the float option. giver a shot you'll like it. not so much while pushing though... just for going backwards
To add on to the other comments, most skip loaders also have this. Also, some loaders and other tractors will "click" to curl the bucket all the way in, much like the float.
I work at a very large power plant in michigan , i paid my dues out in the real world, learning equipment operation long before hiring in, i work with a whole lot of the best operators in the world, and if you dont believe me just ask them, they will tell you how great they are, every one of them need to watch your video and i would add that running around in a loader in top gear does not make you a great operator, it makes you an accident waiting to happen
At the airport I plow snow at, the loader operators drive from one place to another with the bucket at full height with a 14' box plow on it. They do it to clear obstacles. It always makes me nervous.
When loading dump trucks or road trucks don’t sit and wait for the next one with a loaded bucket in the air. This puts extra strain on the hydraulics. Especially with older loaders that don’t have hydraulic locks on should a pipe burst and the bucket drops like a rock.
Driving a wheel loader is like living a childhood dream . Love to drive them , thank you for the tips and tricks .
You're welcome...and I agree. #NeverGrowUp
Ernest Wheeler right??? Any time spent in that size of machine is a treat. I have to remind myself I do in fact get paid for it, cuz I’d do it for free. :)
I'm like that with wheel loaders, too. We have those "quiet" nights here at the DOT, where there is no weather to deal with, so we switch to our "stay busy" chores, and cleaning up around the stockpiles, making more 5:1 mix for the roads, or just high piling the snow are the jobs I jump on right away. And yep, I'd do em for free (but don't tell me boss that!)
I love operating my cats 980m/980H but they do a toll to your back after some years of operating and loading haul trucks in some fresh strip loading area.
Good video. The third time I ever used a wheel loader in my life which was very recently, I was asked to load a dump truck (twice) close to the edge of the roadway, with a small drainage ditch between me and the truck so when I approached with the full bucket, I was going up a little embankment. I was a little nervous being a rookie, but I took it real slow, went straight in, and I did not lift my load up until I was very close to the truck, having put my front tires in the ditch before raising. It all worked out good and it was a great experience that gave me a lot of confidence. I am now finding and watching these videos to gain more knowledge before I jump back in the cab which will be very soon.
It's recommended when driving around to lift your bucket up so you can see under it or drive with the bucket as low as possible so you can see over it. A year ago a new operator drove around with the bucket halfway and totally destroyed the car of one of our truckdrivers who was finishing up for the week. The car was parked in front of his truck but the operator didn't see it. Fortunately the driver was not in his car at the time.😮
Just bought my first loader, so I’m still learning, but I’ll share what an old operator told me once when I was on foot on a working job site: “Assume I’m trying to kill you.”
I like this so much better than the standard “Don’t assume I can see you” because it puts responsibility on the helpers to move out of the way instead of blindly trusting the operator to always know where you are.
Even when driving my small tractor around my family I tell them to assume I’m TRYING to run over them. They stay well clear! Haha
so very true brother and dont ever forget this a great tip for anybody i was also taught this from a ole school (dad)
Biggest and best tip for Front End Loader operators is to get a fork lift license first. It'll teach you about centre of gravity but more importantly it'll teach you to take every opportunity to lower your load and keep it low.
Good advice...thanks for sharing!
@W.S K.E The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.
The world is flat. Just look at a map.
@@adelarsen9776tbh after reading this reply makes your first tip useless
@@hangskins How's that ?
I think any HEO should have to get a forklift license before operating. Ain't nothing as sketchy as a propane forklift rated for 8200LBs moving a 7500LB load up a grade. You learn really really quick that COG is the most important aspect of operating anything
Safety tip: Don't rely on your mirrors. Turn your head and look behind you when backing.
Agree...to an extent. A lot of the newer equipment has good backup cameras that actually give you better visibility directly behind you. So I think it is a balance of looking at what you have available.
Yep ,piya your head on swivel.
The m series cat loaders, at least the 950 and up you can’t see anything turning your head. You have to use the mirrors.
Or just don’t walk around a loader
@@JJimmy647 that requires common sense. And we all know how that goes.
Thank you for your Vids! I have recently been hired as a loader operator this is one piece of equipment I have never run before although I have run excavators,skid steers,rollers,tractors, etc I have never ran one of these bad boys and very grateful for all your tips. I'm one of those types that don't act like I know everything and always have room for learning and your channel has taught me alot about running Front loaders safely and efficiently!
Thanks again
this is great that youre teaching the basics, there are veterans who dont consider some of this, but this makes me want to give an advanced class where you learn how and when to break all these rules
Thats true wisdom right there.
It's pretty hard to teach how to break the rules, it requires a lot of experience to know how far you can push it. You can watch me but don't try this by yourself. When certain things need to be done, they know who to ask. When you see a good operator, it just looks so easy.
I’m an operator. Love learning new machines
Thanks for the comment!
I got to operate our brand new Deere 644K tonight. What a sweet machine. Lots o' power, very smooth, super quiet.
Sweet...thanks for the comment!
got to drive a wheelloader for the first time in my life yesterday, pretty much did all of these things
Me too haha today
As a skid-steer operator for over 20 yrs, biggest mistake I see any "loader" operator make is, traveling with the loader arms all the way up. Center of gravity can work for you and it can quite easily work against you. Operators today have it way to easy. Learn on the older equipment, you'll either learn it or you won't. That's how and where you'll get good operators. Cheers :)
Good advice...thanks for sharing!
That's called working it
Best is to always learn on and from "oldtimers" my first was ULT160, loader was louder than todays whole stone quarry combined (together with detonations) but it showed me dos and DONTS perfectly.
Wear and tear on old machines gives them that "tolerance" towards mistakes of new operators and serves as amazing "warning" if you are doing something wrong.
Thanks for the comment!
It teaches you better cuz it's just you and the loader. The bells and whistles come later and just augment your ability.
I am going to Operate a Cat 926M in two weeks but i only drove/operated an old zettelmeyer1801 Loader around Half a year ago.
Was quite fun but also challenging. I hope that I'm bit going to get embarassed because there will be lots of Old Experienced Wheelloader operators There..
But we all are going to learn the new Machine this day. But i got the least driving and working experience so I'm quite nervous
Learning on a Cat980 right now and sadly made all those mistakes in the vid. Takes time to really get the feel of when the bucket is flat. It’s a lot of fun, though!
yup...thanks for the comment
thank you for this video. Im actually pursuing a career in trucking, tractor, and equipment.
Heel toe method was the easiest way to level the bucket I found. Bring the bucket down to the ground with the toe up a touch than toe down until you feel it than back off a touch so you don't have pressure to cut in. Works great when the auto level isn't working right
This sounds like it would slow down productivity not to mention the extra wear it’s gonna put on the bucket
Good tip....thanks for sharing!
@@fdcadet not really, you're just letting the heel touch than rolling the bucket down to get the blade to hit flat. It does sound like quite a process but once you get into a rhythm it goes pretty slick and you know exactly where your edge is
Another tip to keep wheels from spinning is to back drag then scoop. Just can’t over do it! This loosens up the material to grab a bucket size load versus the pressure of an entire pile. Especially with top soil!
Waste of time, unless your trying to clean up a small pile
Tip 6, a big bucket for light materials and busy yards can make it very easy to not see some one in front of you, always make sure you know who is around you.
Thanks for the comment!
Today was my first time running a loader and I literary experianced al of this!!!
I recently got a sub-compact tractor and this video was really helpful, even if my machine is a fraction of the size of what you're using. Lol
Thank goodness I found your site. Very informative
Another point on spinning tires.
You’ll wear the o-rings out prematurely. Happens mostly in the start of cold weather when the tire pressure drops dramatically. I’ve seen guys throw o-rings moments after a repair because of spinning the tire right on the wheels.
Good point...thanks for sharing!
I have worked in extreme cold weather as in -80F and I can tell you that is false
17 I imagine tire pressure gets checked pretty regularly? There’s a lot of factors at play, including the different wheel manufacturers. But we always stocked up on o-rings before the winter.
I used to operate a loader for my local DOT about 5 years ago. I moved departments and haven't been in any equipment ever since. I miss that and driving haul trucks and 10 and 6 yard dump trucks. Be safe out there y'all
when scooping into a pile of fill, if youre not careful, a rock/boulder can roll under the bucket and obstruct your wheel if you keep driving forward. that will cause the loader to lose balance especially if youre already on a slope while coming up higher with the boom
Good point...thanks for sharing!
Hello from Poland ,Than You for this movie , Thank you for reminding me of some important things :)
Hit the float with a high, loaded bucket, and pull back on the stick after a few feet, If you want to have fun...
And change your shorts...lol
Nice and useful video, but you forgot something most important i thik- dont change direction forward backwards without stopping machine
Thanks for the comment!
I have been operating front end loader for over 30 yes old loaders ya make sure you stop before direction change new loader you can shift your lever from forward to reverse at max speed it wont hurt the loader hydrostatic pump pumps
I was thrown on a loader with no guidance, same as the comment below, and picked up a lot of bad habits. A year later I took a HEO course, 2 months long, and 'unlearned' everything there and was 'made anew.' I learned on a 924k Cat, which has an adjustable torque setting, once I adjusted it after the course the wheels stopped spinning and the guys who 'taught' me thought I'd mastered it just because the course taught about the importance about reading the manual, lol. Still though, a lot of the stuff they taught me actually held up and was the correct way to do things. 9:49, too, I made that same mistake at first with a full bucket because no one showed me the correct way of doing things at first. HEO courses matter.
Learned on CAT 908 H2 not to Press Throttle to hard, it goes to Throttle Lock, Specially with full loaded bucket and trying to get it in Neutral Gear and can't find it, Keep on Switching between Forwards and Backwards, That ends up to be Exiting Thrill... Bouncing Ball!!!
Good tip...thanks for the comment!
Am pay loader operator,i'm in love with learning new machines.
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If you have hydro lock/unlock for attachments, font assume its locked, always check
Good advice!
Awesome for new operators
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Looks nice to drive and work with that Machine. Thanks for tips and tricks,might go try it
Helped alot , i do have loaders lincence still looking for a job
I always pushed in level then lift level a few inches then tip back. Always fills bucket full to the back.
Good advice!
I get so anxious when i see new drivers raising their buckets too high lol
Yup...safety first!
Out of all the machines that I run the loader is by far my favorite. First of all like the man said when you make a mistake by digging into the ground to far do not run over that spot ever backup immediately fill the hole then continue. And probably the most important thing I look for in a new operator is when they talk about the center of gravity. When they know their center of gravity that as a person teaching them it’s time to shut up and let them go you did your job.
Definitely...thanks for the comment!
I operate Cat loaders, more specifically 980m and h loaders, the boom or hoist stick has a “return-to-dig” that allows you to push the stick all the way forward when the bucket is far enough up(4’-5’ minimum) and the bucket will drop quickly to a pre-set level(e.g. 1’ above the ground) obviously not all loaders have this feature, and some older Cat models don’t work as well as the newer models, but if you by chance jam forward the boom stick twice, you can drop a 980m bucket all they way to the ground, that follows along with getting to know your machine. Be quick, but don’t get in too big of a hurry, mistakes happen when you push too fast, and big equipment can cause a lot of damage.
Hello, thank you for the tips. I ran a Case 621F (first ever loader for me) for about 2 months and I feel I did "decent" and continually improved. I have changed employers and now am running a Komatsu WA270-8. On both loader I feel I learned quick on most of your tips but I am have difficulty tilting the bucket too much and digging holes. I know the outside upper edges of the bucket is close to level with the blade. You mentioned that there are red lines on you loaders. I know I am probably thinking to hard on it, but could you explain how the lines help? I am in Oklahoma so the grounds is mostly red dirt and CLAY so when it grabs it digs quick. Thank you for your time and please continue with the tips and tricks.
What about return to dig or self leaving bucket I’m sure that machine has this option thanks for the video
Yes...This unit does have both of those features!
So I’m assuming moving trees around the lumber yard on just the front wheels to make it over other rows/trucks is frowned upon?
Nah...you do you! Lol
Thanks for making these videos
Same thing with a farm tractor. Only difference is, you're already nose heavy. Also harder to see, but the guage bar on the loader tells you well enough. Just hate how "harsh" the loader jerks and "sponge" feeling hydraulics when the bucket gains weight causing a droop/drop making you dig more. Had to correct as going into a pile but i filled the bucket way over its capacitya few times. Clutch is not so nice either. I learn this all just by pushing the tractor to its limits like you said. Helps you know when to stop. Always keep the bucket at hoodline when tranporting. Any lower it spills, and higher its at its furtherest point away frm the tractor making it more tippsy nose wise. Finer lines to play, but becomes a game over time.
Always be open to ideas/tips from other operators. Even if they are younger than you. Nothing worse than working with someone who has been operating for 10+ years and knows it all but butchers every floor they touch
watching this video after years of running machines from the 70's - 80's maybe I should start running the new machines.
I can only imagine...I would love to run one of those older machines. Definitely spoiled with the newer stuff!
ExtremeSandbox I learned on a old Trojan 5500z with no brakes and hydraulics that only work when you give it some throttle 😂
I got an old 70's Lieberr to use for free. After a day of trying to get to know the controls I was ready to dump it over a cliff. No brakes, also throttle dependent hydraulics, non exciting bushes. After using it for a few months I could actually do whatever I want with it, so much so that when the owner who teached me how to operate it came to fetch it, he had to ask me to operate it for him.😄
@@HeavyMetalLearning I have since had him bring in a new Komatsu just like the 1 in this vid, when he asked me to operate it for him as favor 1 day, my reply was that I have never operated a joystick controlled machine. He just laughed and said, well I saw what you could do with that old piece of crap, this will be no problem for you.
@@malancronje6805 lol....I can only imagine but guess it would be MUCH simpler with the newer controls. I would struggle to run one of those older machines for sure.
you guys are the best thank you
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Keeping the bucket level with the ground is also a lot easier on cutting edges specially if working on pavement
Good tip....thanks!
@@HeavyMetalLearning yep
1. That machine should have an auto level setting for the bucket
2. Lift as you’re digging to put down force on the wheels to limit wheel spin
3. Carry with the loaded bucket as low as possible, that limits the amount of tilt if you were to see a possible upset
4. Float is for people with no experience, an experienced operator should be able to feel the grade beneath them.
5. Get a CAT if you want a nice loader
Good tips...thanks for the comment!
Great video, I'm an Operator but load with a bigger machine a Cat 982M with a 2 pass bucket. I work in a pit
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982 🤣🤣🤣 I remember my first time in a toy, wa600.
Cat 993 was my Next Toy 😅
Great information. Thanks heaps.
you're welcome
thank you so much another knowledge.from philippines here .👍👏🏻
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@@HeavyMetalLearning sir please visit my channel 🙂
Thank you, that was very helpful
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Bogging/digging in the artic position is not good for the center pin and can cause them to snap. Second is not removing excess from the bucket and causing spillage as you move around. Light flick is all you need and you’ll be sweet all day. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast
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A very experienced operator told me that you shouldn’t turn the wheel to full lock if you can at all avoid it and also you shouldn’t be using the brakes (especially on soft surfaces) more than very slightly. Having driven an 8x4 concrete mixer for a while, I get it - preserving the surface you’re on is very important. But also, with hydraulic steering machinery (tractors, loaders) going full lock is gonna burden the hydraulics and thus the engine quite a bit. You’ll feel the difference in the long run especially if it’s your own equipment.
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I'm rather new at operating, basically got tossed into a cab and learning the hard way; but when you mean wheel lock, do you mean all the way to the left or right?
I learned a lot from ur video but can you do one on how to change excavator, skid steer and other buckets like wheel loaders thats bout the only problem I having
Great video. But I recommend every new or anyone who has never operated older equipment to do that. Learning how to make a machine work well without all the electronic idiot adjustments you will never be a high quality operator. Why because as soon as these special features such as auto bucket kick out, trackion controll or GPS grading go out you automatically become an unskilled operator.
Excellent point....thanks for sharing!
I agree , never fully rely on automated controls .
Aboveitall 47. Also scales. In the 90's I hauled rock out of APAC Tulsa and no matter what material you were getting these operators could load you within a few hundred pounds of your request with no scales. Great operators.
Digging into the pile in second gear.
Also second the knowing your machine, first time I hopped into a loader that wasn't 30 years old I didn't realize it had ride control until after I ran it 40km down the highway. Bouncing up and down the whole way.
Totally agree...amazes me how many people run machines and don’t know what half the switches do. Thanks for the comment!
I operated a 944 cat and 930 cat in the log and lumber yards back in the 70s. Love those older loaders.also used the buckets to load materials
That's cool....thanks for the comment!
Do you also certificate and do you have e-books for these machines?
I have seen operators approach downhill with overly full buckets. Never ends too well.
Yeah....that is recipe for disaster. Thanks for the comment!
Almost learned this one the hard way with our excavator and loader. The guys at work always said "Keep your load high so you can see!". Ya. See me fall over or pee my pants maybe lol. I'm glad my instincts to keep things low is the right one.
Thanks I have learned a lot
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Great video!
Great Content, one think I like to know, is how to safely build a Stockpile with more or less 180 cubes... on a 8 x 15m peace of Land...
Thanks for the comment...we’ll see if we can do that.
@@HeavyMetalLearning thanks for looking at it, the Main concern is just, how to go about to Build a Stockpile that is Safe, recently did a Stockpile and almost Rolled the Machine down the side :(
bucket lowering, heh, my 1970 Case and 90s Deere machines have a return to dig, stops the bucket about 4 inches off the ground.
good info . the loader is definitely intimidating to green operators .. my first ever time loading a 777 I hit the boom lockout with a loaded bucket dropping it right on the top of the side board .. the g loader is super touchy and I've come a long way .. it's the best place to be for an operator imo
Oh lord...that would suck. Thanks for the comment!
it scared everyone . me the most for months after that .. the 992 G loaders are real touchy
ExtremeSandbox it was a learning experience .. non stop 777s 12 hours a day and you will get good quick or get replaced .. two years later and now i can hit 200 plus on a good day and want to do something else lol
@@jakes197 992g is the best loader ever built. The 993 is a great loader when it's right but most of the time they aren't. I'm a mechanic and 92's and 777's are my bread and butter. Cheers to ya.
SogySeal ours hasn't been right for two years . the left pedal doesn't work . it operates at full torque all day . I flip to neutral and roll all the
time . after I gather enough momentum .. none of the kick outs nor the leveler works . it's screwed up
We run all Deere equipment now but in the past we ran komatsu i always like em
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Just started out 3 weeks ago, thanks for the tips, this Will help me work more productively and more precise. I'm just wondering, any tips on not spilling when tilting backwards or Taking too much in One scoop?
Shake some off before leaving pile , level to bucket
What you need to do is learn to run the old stuff. Like a 1962, 120 Hough pay loader, where you learn how to run it or it would run you. That's why I have trouble with the new stuff. I love the old and slow stuff. You can do a better job by going slow.
Would love to try one of those older pieces!
I learned on a Allis-Chalmers 545. Pushed a lot of snow with it too.
Going slow doesn't make money
Alex Strömberg disagree. You are making the assumption that going fast will get the job done quicker. Not true. If it has to be redone or fixed when done incorrectly the first time then slower and more accurate the first time makes more money.
@@HeavyMetalLearning I meant that a newer machine will just be faster due to not breaking down. Can take bigger loads. More fuel efficient.
Hello. Sir, thanks for demonstrating to us how is the proper operation should be as I'm doing the same replica of this, my project DIY RC Wheel Loader Cardboard Version. I try hard to mimic all the features. Only I got reverse horn and flasher beacon plus engine sounds. Hope you come to see it and assist my work. hehe.. well, if you are okay with that. It would be great if you have some words. But anyway I'm satisfied and happy for your demonstration on its operation as it helped me conceptualize my DIY project. Thank you Sir.....
If you want bucket flat... Put it down crowd forward lift machine off ground abit.. then hit crowd up quickly and it'll drop the machine back down and your bucket will be dead flat.. works every time 🤠
nice....I learned something here...👍👍
Awesome...thanks for the comment!
Love the vid man
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Don't drop a full bucket fast, watch out for holes or bumps(even small ones) while loading, and know what you're running your bucket into. I ran into a concrete foundation that didn't move, while it was buried under a pile of gravel. It'll throw you if you ain't buckled in... 🤣
that would suck
Good basics
Thank you
I fully learned the five mistakes.
, but what i do not understand is we have different types of machines .
Does it apply the same?
Not sure what you mean
Hi I wanted to know where is this training school
I found if I'm going to excavate an area?! I have to level the area, before I go forward, but easier said than done. I know.
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Very good.l.am.pak
Although I am working towards Forklift operator certification, I am strongly considering moving up to Backhoe operation in time. I just can’t find any OSHA approved training/certification for a Backhoe right now. I heard a lot of backhoe operator jobs are vacant because those dudes are retiring and young people don’t want to do it.
Either is good. I think forklift experience/certification would be really good as well. Good luck!
ExtremeSandbox thanks!
Never angle bucket too much when pushing snow, trying to remove ice can bend cylinders if you catch a manhole cover or curb.The sudden stop can throw you from seat
Good tip...thanks for the comment!
I'd say you've done a few parking lots in ur life? Man holes can be nasty!
@@Fyyt 20 yrs of shopping centers,hospitals, grocery stores and other commercial properties,I gave a young guy that warning when he was in his skid loader but he didn't listen a day later he had a huge bruise on his forehead. I have 42 yrs experience in a skid loader
@@emilgunnary8732 jeeezz, you should know where every mh is than, lol. Yeah it's hard to find good help these days. I've snapped a few bolts and shattered a blade once before but you sure do find out where they are In a hurry!
@@Fyyt you do know where they are,but you get changed to a new location every few years,this year Ridgedale Shopping center
I want so badly to get into machine operating. I've got about a 100hrs on a skid steer but health stopped my construction career in it's tracks. Working outside all winter really takes a toll on the body. Now I need to be in the machines if I want to get back into it. Effed up my driver's license as a kid so I've got some hurdles to climb.
Your health is your wealth. Best of luck getting back into it.
Sandie material is different from dirt material, with dirt to get a full bucket you have to drag the top of the pile back then go back in for your load
For a full bucket
Thanks for sharing!
I've been operating a John deer 344L for about 10 months now and I'm trying to master it. I'm in icy conditions now so I kearney rim pull control on lowest setting ( 1 out of 3) is best but my biggest issue/ question, I can't get my return to dig or float option to work. Do I have to set it and if so how? Thanks for the video.
Reply to Brad not Landa
I like to back blade by using the bucket angle to smooth the material out. May just be me, but I have better and finer control.
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Does Komtsu have return to dig feature?
Yes it does.
How I learned was my first time I was gathering gravel to stem holes for explosives , and we used pressure sensitive caps. So it was watch where the tires are at anytime you moved.
Hmmmmm
Richard McKinney Jeeeezus... yeah, that would definitely drive the point of wheel orientation home quick.
“No really, watch where you’re going”.
If these guys won't say it I will, shouldn't be on a shot with caps and a loader at the same time
@@trevahoward2808 then you can take and haul five gallon buckets from.a pile of either 3/4 or 3/8 rock to each hole to stem the holes. Now there was like between 6 to 10 feet between the holes, and we was using a very small loader.
Before a new operator gets in the seat , WATCH the Sr. man operate the machine for awhile ! Put the bucket down get out and look and see how close to level you are . Adjust the bucket and look again . Now from the seat look at the guides on the arms or look at the top of the bucket to figure it out . Pushing up piles a little at a time keeping machine centered until you get it figured out . NEVER TRAVEL with the BUCKET up ! It takes years to get good and a feel for the machine . Just go slow until you’re confident . Me 34years last machine JD .
Good advice...thanks for sharing!
Is it possible to provide additional Operator CAB Protection to Front End Loader (FEL)? Did you guys ever explore this need? Basically to prevent the operator from getting jammed in the Cabin upon falling any big boulders from the bucket to the windshield of the operator cabin. I am looking for that option in CAT FEL 994. The CAB protection, hamper the visibility of the operator and will it make it difficult for the cleaning of the windshield.
Please share your views.
You wasn’t expecting that bucket drop lmao. Komatsus are sensitive. Everybody I tried to show how to run one would slam the bucket every time.
Bucket drop scares the life out of you, I did it last week by mistake!
Well this is for excavators but I’ll share anyway. When you are putting the machine in resting position. Don’t curl the bucket and rest the pin and put the cylinder in the dirt
I'll take the Doosan 200 over that 270 anyday. Doosan has the float option for traveling with a load. So much smoother of a ride.
We love our Komatsu! Has that same float feature to smooth out the ride.
cool i may have try that i was wondering what this button i see does im to lazy i guess read the manual but i glad i read this comment now Thank you..
Pls do with disd
Never seen a skid steer with float. Although I don’t run them much anymore.
Bobcats T series 190/590/550/450 are what I run everyday, all with float option
I'm pretty sure almost all skids (at least any under 10 years old) should have the float option. Mainly because it is not an added accessory, just is a switch to bypass the boom cylinder so almost all have it. I would check the manual for yours because most likely its there.
Most of the time you have activate it and normally it’s tricky to do so depends on the make
I would be surprised if that modern machine didn't have auto level on the bucket tilt - why not use it?
it does...or really it is "return to dig" positioning. But yes, lots of technology on these newer machines to make it easier.
Ive seen a loader tip over its front and stuff
Yup...scary stuff
Do you have any tips about what to do if you feel like you might be in a bad position. Like if you feel like you could possibly tip over near the edge of uneven ground?
Turn the direction you feel it tipping
Technology on machines, changing on design is good. Not like solid seat kidney buster design.
i dont understand what you mean by the float feature? i just started running a skid steer
its mostly for back blading, lets the bucket/implement follow the natural slopes of the ground while keeping some down pressure to knock down the big lumps, you'll feel the lever/joy stick "click" into float position and the boom will drop, some loaders click into raise position as well... Dozers, and loaders generally have the float option. giver a shot you'll like it. not so much while pushing though... just for going backwards
No hydraulic pressure. The blade or bucket just floats using its own weight. Good for smoothing when backing up
To add on to the other comments, most skip loaders also have this. Also, some loaders and other tractors will "click" to curl the bucket all the way in, much like the float.
Looks like good comments above. You should also watch our Skid Steer training videos which cover float more. Thanks
My boss catches you back dragging he would tell you those cutting edges come pre sharpened
I work at a very large power plant in michigan , i paid my dues out in the real world, learning equipment operation long before hiring in, i work with a whole lot of the best operators in the world, and if you dont believe me just ask them, they will tell you how great they are, every one of them need to watch your video and i would add that running around in a loader in top gear does not make you a great operator, it makes you an accident waiting to happen
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No need for high gear speed on job site.
At the airport I plow snow at, the loader operators drive from one place to another with the bucket at full height with a 14' box plow on it. They do it to clear obstacles. It always makes me nervous.
Yeah....that would do the same for me but I can understand why they do it.
Seems and looks top heavy but not really. That's a whole lot of machine handling pushers.Is only done because they have too, no place for rookie!!
When loading dump trucks or road trucks don’t sit and wait for the next one with a loaded bucket in the air. This puts extra strain on the hydraulics. Especially with older loaders that don’t have hydraulic locks on should a pipe burst and the bucket drops like a rock.