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An interesting and potentially relevant note about Greeks painting statues, and how many of them are made of marble or similar materials. There was a craze a few years back in my town painting rocks and leaving them in random places. They had a facebook group, it was a big trend. As people got into painting these rocks, they started to be more particular about the kinds of rocks they chose to paint. The most elite rocks were actually imported and were often in short supply and were traded as high value artistic materials specifically because of how well they painted. They were Santorini Marble.
I used and loved a history book with my children (I'm American) in our homeschool called Our Island Story by H. E. Marshall. It is well-known and used in the Charlotte Mason pedagogy of homeschooling (Charlotte Mason was a British woman writing her philosophy of education in the late 1800's/early 1900's). Even CS Lewis says he read this book as a child and it was a favorite. The first chapter of this history book written for children is The Stories of Albion and Brutus. Many will not use this book or at the very least will skip over this chapter because it starts with "mythology" and "why would they start a history book with something that's not true"? And there are other mythological elements. It's a wonderful book!
I look at it from a perspective of gratitude. Our ancestors lived the sins we don't, and we don't because they sought to correct them and left us with a world where these things are not acceptable and in fact we've been taught this from birth. It is a gift. We were not born "superior", we were handed a superior world ... *by them*. They were the brave ones, facing it in a world that was often an integral part of theirs. It is easy for us to condemn the sins we've been spared.
When you guys bring up the problem of understanding America in this frame and the issue of centralization, the usual answer I hear as to why it happened was much earlier than the highway system, that being the aftermath of the Civil War where the model of participating states united in one federal body were subsumed beneath the post 1865 principality
I agree the Civil War and reconstruction was a major event. Also the 17th amendment is in that story line. It seems counter intuitive, but by moving the US senate from representing the state governments in the federal government, the direct election of senators made them much more part of the central government and therefore increased the power of the central government.
That's it exactly. The south did nothing wrong by seceding, were expelling a foreign power by attacking ft. Sumter, and were fighting for independence and not control of the north during the war, whereas the north fought for control of the south. The Confederate flag was the last truly American flag, because old America (a union of nation states similar to Europe) died with the south.
Avoid idolatry, the sin of the nations, and learn Scripture that was set down in the Ancient Near East by a people who were true nomads of God, not born of earth but adopted by the ruler of Heaven. Christian faith makes a new people of all origins and none in particular. Carl Jung, stepfather to the satanic delusions of Nazism did not grasp, or rejected the Semitic form of Christian faith that renews Israel as welcoming to all the peoples of the world. The community that worships the Lord is the new nation, He called it into existence and purchased it with his own blood shed for the life of the world. Carl Jung died and is buried, Christ God reigns enfleshed at the right hand of the Father. Get with the program, earthly philosopher.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 you ignore the lessons of the earth, then the world will destroy you utterly. You need to love your own family, your own people, your own nation, for you to have any kind of grounding in this world.
Oh how my people has fallen; to put it in perspective; Tomorrow its a national celebration in my homland; Norway. 🇳🇴 There is coverage on national TV etc... but they never sing all the verses of our national anthem...🤦🏼♂️ They say its to much talk of God, blood, nationalism and heritage... 🤦🏼♂️ Its so sad to me, but i know what they represent is not the truth and the Norwegian people live on; despite the fact our common heritage and interest is being ignored and hidden from us.
Everyone in Europe, including a child would know that the brothers Grimm did not write these stories. Various versions of some of these stories are found in regions outside Europe. Nobody knows who wrote the best songs in Ireland, it would be silly to try and find out.
These universal history explorations are true blessings. Thank you! I'm not seeing the connection between Amboria (Richard's RPG) and bringing people into Christian identity and narrative. Can anyone help me understand this better?
Highly recommend the book Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson, the vast majority of modern "nationalism" is really the by product of printing press propaganda brought on by the forces of capitalism and the Industrial revolution. Prior to these factors most people simply identified with their Church, their town, and their King and that was pretty much it, the key point being all three of those things are personal vs modern nationalism the identity becomes impersonal with a community that has more in common with a mass of atomized people living under a bad rental agreement than an actual nation.
Wrong on every point. The vast majority of people didn't just see themselves via their religious local group, they had a national identity as well, it just wasn't always expressed explicitly politically due to prevalence of decentralized forms of government. Ethiopians(Old Testament), Irish (Why did Brian Boru stop at the unification of the island?), Germans (Why did the empire name itself the HRE of the German nation in 1512 before the printing press?), French (Why did the French peasantry not want to be ruled over by England in the medieval era?), Russians (Why did the RUS convert as a nation in the 11th century?), Jews (Also Old Testament), Greeks (Why fight a war against Persians?, why bother to "Hellenecize" the Middle East?). Theres more examples but this is just a myth peddled by modern historians, ironically. Describing a people with a shared language (how is LANGUAGE not personal?), mannerisms, culture, food, and oftentimes genetics as a "mass of atomized people" is silly and doesnt make any sense, there is nothing more organic (other than religion) that unites people together and has done so for millenia. Watch this review of a book if you want to actually challenge your establishment sponsored ideas: ruclips.net/video/bEjQsfZUSQY/видео.html
@@amalibatullin33 Your confusing my critique of modern nationalism which is entirely contrived and made up with traditional nationalism or ethnos which has a real basis in geography, ethnicity, religion, tribal affiliation and obviously language. In terms of MODERN NATIONALISM KEY WORD MODERN, it's 100% a mass of atomized individuals living under an impersonal corporate bureaucracy, in countries that haven't had their national soul completely ripped out in some enlightenment revolutionary nightmare they might still retain their national-ethnos.
@@amalibatullin33 He is obviously talking about modern, post-Enlightenment, post-French Revolution, flag-waving nationalism. Ethnos has always been a thing. "I pledge allegiance to the Nation-State, and the ruling Bureaucracy ruling thereof..."-type of nationalism is a modern invention.
@@majorian4897 Modern nationalism would not be true nationalism if it is merely loyalty to a state bureaucracy. At that point it is just a state co-opting elements of nationalism in order to prop itself up.
If someone is skeptical of the way liturgy or other things come down from heaven, they can think of it like a stray cat. People talk about the cat distribution system or how the universe will provide you a cat. You don't go out and shop for a cat, you simply live your life and a kitten sort of appears. It has a back story, an explanation, a statistical likelihood of being in that place and time with that kind of need, but all of that is subsumed into irrelevance by the fact that this is the apparition of your new cat.
Best of Luck Richard, having done a fair amount of tabletop game development myself I know how hard it is. Of course I backed your project and hope it is a smashing success.
My hope is that you guys don't get pulled into this soft centrist classical liberalism. We don't need to talk about 'nation, or ethnic sins' our enemies do that. Lift up the good and disclose hidden authentic Being under propaganda. There are implicit ethnos and narod in USA, If you take Dugin seriously, the narod of USA is an Anglosaxon metaphysical soul. Others can possess this Narod. It's so much more than just a story, far more than the word 'identity' points to.
As a father currently raising children internationally, I really appreciated hearing about your background and perspective at the end, Richard. ""The liturgical year IS your epic. It’s your sacred story. It’s one that you can totally participate in.” I appreciated the descriptor of "aggressively beige" as well. 😆
“Creators are they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them, destroyers are they who lay snares for many, and call it the State.” Nietzsche
Richard, I'd like to argue that you're partially wrong about Finnish identity. You describe it like Fins are trying to figure out what it means to be Finnish after they gained independence from Russia. But if you look at the timeline, Finland was part of the Swedish kingdom for 700 years, and the Russians usurped Finland in 1809, five years after Napoleon rose to power in France. The nationalism movement was just starting as Finland had to come to terms with its new authorities. The Kalevala was written down in 1835, which was about 80ish years before Finland's independence. Now, a hundred years later, it is just a fact that the Swedish language has a much bigger presence in Finland than Russian. And culturally the Fins don't connect with Russia's story at all. The exception is of course border regions such as Karelia, which still partially is under Russian authority to this day. This is also where the main narrative gets more complex, since Karelia is the birthplace of Finnish Orthodoxy. Many Finnish Orthodox still lament the loss of Karelia and the severance of the Karelian communities. On the other hand, Orthodoxy in 20th century Finland could be too "Russian", as martyr Saint Johannes Ilomantsilainen was killed by Fins who thought that his Orthodoxy made him a Russian Bolshevik. the FoC is now autocephalous and under the wing of the Patriarch of Constantinople (recognized by the Patriarch of Moscow) so the Russian-ness of Orthodoxy has slowly taken a back seat.
Gone With The Wind is a morality tale. Scarlett lays waste to her life as she makes increasingly selfish and sinful choices. It’s also a pygmalion/Frankenstein tale as she takes heed of Rhett’s influence over her mother’s.
Scotland is not Celtic. The Scottish people of the lowlands, where almost everyone lives, are Anglo Saxon. They speak and have always spoken a form of English.
I consulted Wikipedia on this subject and it seems like most of the Lowlands were Gaelic-speaking at some point, and there were also some Cumbric-speaking areas. Gaelic continued in Galloway until fairly late.
Have you all read Eugene Vodolazkin’s latest book “A History of the Island” yet? It’s a really interesting read. It’s written in the form of a medieval Chronicle, with commentary. A few very interesting and relevant sections about medieval versus modern theories of history and epistemology.
Hey, Matt, if I were to take a guess. The modern varient is interested in taking apart the old, and while the medieval is more interested in phenomelogical, as it happens, we don't what kind of underwear the pope was wearing on Saturday. So lest not fuck with the mystery. The moderns are very interested in the underwear, it's colour and you can crazy. But, did I get your thought even partially right?
@@vimalpatel4060 yeah that’s roughly the gist, but Vodolazkin has some very interesting insights that I think could probably only occur to someone who grew up in a collapsing modernist “utopia” like the USSR of his childhood
@@hobbsmatt That's interesting! And from what I have gathered from his other novel Laurus, is written in what you describe as, a falling communist utopian vision.
@@vimalpatel4060 oh no, “Laurus” is about a 14th century folk healer in Kievan Rus’ who basically goes through the stages that you read in the life of a saint. It’s a masterpiece. Read “Laurus” first. It’s way better than his latest book, for what my opinion is worth
@@hobbsmatt Dude, I meant vision, as in using post modern language, the stuff of the margin or profane, to regain the center and the sacred. This is in lieu of the slightly medieval bend or prose of the latest book, as your said. Sorry for the confusion. PS: I am planning to read the thing, if circumstances allow for it, thanks for the further ratification of that book.
The Kingdom of Germany was indeed a constituent element of the Holy Roman Empire. The breakup of the central realm of the Empire happened gracually starting from a whole unit over time, thus the idea of Germany being a contrivance cannot entirely be true.
I always thought the US and Canada were odd ducks out in the world in the sense that we were the two major major countries not defined by the national (or ethnic rather) identity. I think when inclusivity is applied to that it disintegrates the place in a hurry.
We have to find as way to deal with the sins of our ancestors…star war offers a story that could be the starting point. Luke has to redeem his father. After episode 6, he would need to deal with the legacy of his father Darth Vader. There is an opportunity there to tell a story about dealing with the sins of your ancestors. But judging by the recent sequel trilogy, nobody knows how to tell that story.
I hope I will be able to have a talk with Richard before his Kickstarter is over. I don't have the size of the audience of Jonathan here, but my audience is an RPG one.
@Richard Rohlin just backed the project. I was thinking over the last few years how table top would be great to teach story telling and have an immersing experience that could have real lasting change. Well here you go! The kickstarter looks great, absolutely loved the little bits I read. I backed the two printed books. Will you be attending the Chino estuary?
you know, one of the big modern problems is that a lot of these myths that could provide some sort of local identity were lost, some people just don't have anything and so are destined for death. they could find some identity in the christian myths but I tell you that would only be a half measure, you need some intermediate identities to have real access to the christian identity.
There’s something very special about the participatory nature of tabletop games that most people experience through the trickle down aspects of video games.
That was very good. One thing I noticed was that it seemed like the term "organic" was often used as meaning "not top down" something neither of these gentlement actually believe. No reason "organic" can't involve some imposition from above. It can't just be completely that.
There are three Americas. There are the people who believe America began when the pilgrims landed. There are people who believe America started after the civil war. There are people who think America started after the Second World War. Good luck writing a national epic.
it is obvious which is true, it is when the pilgrims landed that the entity of a unified american state has laid its first seed and found its fulfillment in the american revolution. Eversince that day, they have been trying to live up to their founding ideals while wrestling with the tides of time.
The way is to have a country whose civic religion (form of government) and religion form together to create a new behavior that is unique to that people. Joseph di Maistre puts it well: “Human reason reduced to its own resources is perfectly worthless, not only for creating but also for preserving any political or religious association, because it only produces disputes, and, to conduct himself well, man needs not problems but beliefs. His cradle should be surrounded by dogmas, and when his reason is awakened, it should find all his opinions ready-made, at least all those relating to his conduct. Nothing is so important to him as prejudices, Let us not take this word in a bad sense. It does not necessarily mean false ideas, but only, in the strict sense of the word, opinions adopted before any examination. Now these sorts of opinions are man’s greatest need, the true elements of his happiness, and the Palladium of empires. Without them, there can be neither worship, nor morality, nor government. There must be a state religion just as there is a state policy; or, rather, religious and political dogmas must be merged and mingled together to form a complete common or national reason strong enough to repress the aberrations of individual reason, which of its nature is the mortal enemy of any association whatever because it produces only divergent opinions. All known nations have been happy and powerful to the extent that they have more faithfully obeyed this national reason, which is nothing other than the annihilation of individual dogmas and the absolute and general reign of national dogmas, that is to say, of useful prejudices. Let each man call upon his individual reason in the matter of religion, and immediately you will see the birth of an anarchy of belief or the annihilation of religious sovereignty. Likewise, if each man makes himself judge of the principles of government, you will at once see the birth of civil anarchy or the annihilation of political sovereignty. Government is a true religion: it has its dogmas, its mysteries, and its ministers. To annihilate it or submit it to the discussion of each individual is the same thing; it lives only through national reason, that is to say through political faith, which is a creed. Man’s first need is that his nascent reason be curbed under this double yoke, that it be abased and lose itself in the national reason, so that it changes its individual existence into another common existence, just as a river that flows into the ocean always continues to exist in the mass of water, but without a name and without a distinct reality.” ― Joseph de Maistre, Against Rousseau: On the State of Nature and On the Sovereignty of the People
Welcome to fascism, Welcome to Tradition, LMAO the realization that comes when one sees that the symbolic and the pragmatic meet because the symbols and the matter having coincident functions is unescapable. Liberalism and its hegalian holistic spawns like communism are unnatural blights to human existence
Hi I have an important question. Why did god allow for the murder of jepthah daughter as a sacrifice to Him why did he not let her life? (Judges 11 verse 39) this is deeply bothering me.
Perhaps Paul Bunion is closer to an American Mythology? He us a giant, a logger in the west, a civilizer in the sense that logging is the process by which land is settled. just a thought
I have my 5th text book from 1961 (it was given to me) called These are Our People published for Catholic U of America press in 1943. It was stories about American children of various ethnic backgrounds. Faith and freedom united them and me with them. Interspersed were Bible excerpts on marvelously illustrated pages and there were poems: Ellis Island by Katherine Rankin, America the Beautiful, The Flower-Fed Buffaloes by Vachel Lindsay, and short American histories of wondrous inventions and accomplishments. This book was my national and spiritual mythology, providing my child self deep love, pride and security in my faith and my country.
The enforced French Canadian out West drives me nuts. I could fully see having Punjabi, Hindi, Mandarin or Cantonese instead because of our large immigrant populations that primarily speak those (and places like clinics do print their own in those languages) but having 50% of everything at the grocery store covered in a language of utility to only the 0.00001% who genuinely need FC and can't use English out here is maddening. Worse, it isn't reciprocated. Quebec police stations don't have English signs in return while ours have FC here.
It's an effort to maintain some form of Canadian identity. If you want more third world influence in our country, why don't you save everyone the trouble on both sides and go live in the third world? Be sure to take all your new compatriots with you.
@@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx the single binding factor that Canadian identity is built around is not being American. That is the only common ground between the British (including the United Empire Loyalists expelled from thr 13 Colonies), the French and the Natives. The bulwark of that identity once was backed by the British Empire but since WWII is has had no foundation.
@@nektulosnewbie Obviously our British and French components share a common tradition of Christianity and Europe, much deeper than one empire, that can be drawn upon. The dichotomy between British imperialism and multiculturalism is false.
@@nektulosnewbie such an identity is useless, an identity built on resentment is good in trying to lift it up from the shadows of another power but it has no creative, invigorating, and lasting force if it doesn't overcome this phase, Canada was created out of fear of being conquered by the americans, that is true, but Canada is much more than just a scared union of provinces or a globalized zipcode for international businessmen, it is a home for an ethnos.
The church at large has become risk averse. Creativity dances with risk. Everytime we tell a story we risk a foolish twist. This is only bad if the point of a story is to perfectly communicate the fullness of God. But we know that is idolatry. We should know that the nature of all story is to only tell part of the story. The nature of story requires we actively engage in the telling and hearing to judge which parts are good and which parts demonstrate the truth of depravity.
We do venerate our ancestors and also acknowledge their sins it’s just that we have a holiday called Halloween where we (used to) forgive the sins of the ancestors. Our ancestoral honor is not up for debate especially to foreigners or outsiders. If they don’t like it it tough.
I'd argue that highways and airplanes would actually be good for US unity if the people running the education, media, and corporate sectors weren't trying their darndest to suck every semblance of real culture into a black hole of anti-culture. It's legitimately awesome for the man on the street to be able to see Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock and a pitched cannon battle at Gettysburg, eat like a cowboy in Texas, see Mardi Gras in New Orleans, visit Mt. Rushmore and the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls, sightsee in the Capitol, and so on and so forth. And it's worth pointing out that the quintessentially American movie genre -- the road movie -- tends to revolve around the automobile. If there's one story that ties America together, it's the story of those who'd rather risk the dangers of the desert than accept the "security" of Egypt, usually finding help in divine Providence in the process -- the Pilgrims crossing the ocean at immense risk, landing hundreds of miles away from where they were meant to land, and nearly starving before being saved by the one Native American in the area who just happened to speak English; a ragtag Colonial militia defeating the world's greatest empire thanks to some really unlikely but critical turns of events; settlers traveling the Oregon Trail at great personal risk; cowboys venturing out into the literal wilderness of the Wild West. Benjamin Franklin suggested the nation's seal be the Crossing of the Red Sea; Thomas Jefferson suggested it be the Israelites being led by the pillars of cloud and fire. Travel and adventure /is/ the US's story. It's not a weak story, either. Thanksgiving and the Fourth of July were enough to bind the nation together for 200+ years, and it says a lot that it took 80 years of education designed to undercut that nation to split the country's opinion on them in half. And that, I think, is the crux of the issue. The American story is a lightning rod for anyone and everyone who seeks perfect (tyrannical) order, because they can't succeed when confronted by an infuriatingly powerful nation whose people have been raised from birth to reject all totalizing ambitions, no matter how much comfort the totalizers promise... and the American people failed to realize how much damage the repeated strikes had done to their national narrative until it was almost too late. Even so, the American story is basically the only national story left standing in the West despite being the primary target. Replacing it would almost certainly do more harm than good -- what's really needed is to replace the totalizers.
BTW, I think that on the symbolic level, America functions as the Stranger. Its unique national myth is the Western, where the figure from the margins appears to fight off the wolves that threaten the social order (both the chaotic ones from the outside and the tyrannical ones from the inside) and then rides off into the sunset. Superheroes are, to a large extent, a more special-effects laden variant of the same. Looking at the rest of action cinema, you've also got your cops who do their best work after handing in their badge, your heroic warriors who save the day by ignoring bad orders, your pirates and smugglers who defy tyranny, and every other variant of charming rogue imaginable. And America's national history is framed much the same way. In other words, America doesn't need a single face for its national myth, because the myth of the Stranger basically appears everywhere. It's just not a standard national myth because, well, the US is largely a self-selected collection of everyone who didn't fit in where they came from, and it's not possible for any single figure to equally represent all of them. (This framework then brings up a couple of interesting points: first, that there's something symbolically fitting about the country from the margins consistently getting into fights over the ability to freely navigate the sea, and second, that it makes a lot of sense that the only form of tyranny that can find traction in the country from the margins is the inverted tyranny that pretends to be concerned for the margins.)
calling the german nation and identity a modern construct is completely false. the german identity is basically 4000 years old and came to be when the indoeuropean steppe herders from the east moved west into northern germany and southern scandinavia and mingled with the megalithic farmers and hunter gatherers to create a new people group. these are the ancestors to all germanic people groups today and you can argue that it has been the same identity from then onwards to today in germany. this can be concluded from studying the term theodisc which was used in england and the frankish empire to distinguish between german (including old english speakers) and latin speakers ( like frensh and so on). theodisc just means the people. and modern day deutsch, duits and dutch, the self describing term used by german and dutch people (who are german) today is the modern version of the medieval term theodisc. so german people have always been calling themselves simply "the people" in a unifying sense. scandinavians call germany thyskland. thysk is also derived from theodisc. thus it makes no sense to say that no one in germany in the middleages called themselves german. they all did. and beside their unifying german identity they also had their unique tribal identity like the bavarians, franks, saxons, swabians, thuringians, frisians and so on. and the anglos and saxons and jutes who migrated to the british isles are also part of this identity. Just because the old tribal dutchies of the german roman empire fragmented into all the small feudal sovereign states of the high and late middleages and modern period, doesn´t mean that all germans did not have a unifying german identity, while not being politically unified. I am dissapointed in Richard portraying this issue completely false while being a student of linguistics and history and ethnicities himself. It seems to me as if this is another case of modern english or american people failing to understand the complex german national identity which is very old and not simply a modern construct.
The overall discussion was great, but yeah that particular point on Germany was pretty retarded. Ironic for this show in particular, but deconstructing Germanity is like this little grovelling ritual people feel the need to do when discussing nationalism and identity because, as Bishop Richard Williamson says, 'the only sin left is nazi sin.'
If there is and always has been such a thing as a real traditional German identity (in this generic sense), why is it that for the vast majority of Germans if you ask them what does it mean to be "German", it amounts to literally nothing more than having a German passport. Whereas is if you asked what does it mean to be a "Bayer" or "Hesse" or "Schwabe" and so on then you get descriptions of proper traditional identities and distinct modes of being. (Btw I am German and living in Germany so you don't need to say I'm making this up). Obviously you can observe this breakdown of the meaning of the category of national identity everywhere in Western Europe as a consequence of globalist indoctrination, but nowhere did this take root so quickly and readily as in Germany precisely because the concept of a "German identity" in this modern sense had no solid foundation in the people to begin with.
Because it was firebombed, raped, and brainwashed from their identity during and after WW2. This was literally the entirety of mein Kampf assuming anyone actually read it Hitler wanted Germany to be German and to unite all Germans under one nation state. And any discomfort you feel regarding this subject is exactly why no modern German can answer this question.
HRE Emperor title went along with another title, King of the Germans, proving that the idea of a German political entity is at least as old as the Holy Roman Empire.
@@user-tp7wi4lt2b The denazification after world war two and its consquences impelemented by the allies ever since destroyed much of the german identity and national pride. Modern germans are a broken people full of selfhate and no interest for their own tradition and history and culture. Die Entnazifizierung nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg und ihre Folgen, welche die Alliierten seitdem umsetzen, haben viel von der deutschen Identität und dem deutschen Nationalstolz zerstört. Die heutigen Deutschen sind ein gebrochenes Volk, welches voll von Selbsthass und Desinteresse für die eigene Tradition, Geschichte und Kultur ist.
You make me think of The Four Loves by CS Lewis. All the human loves are good. Very good. But as soon as we idolise them they become demons. Would it be fair to say that the modern nation is a very good thing, but a human thing which must not be worshipped? We need to worship God alone, but that does not mean denigrating our human loves, but rather giving them their proper place, a place where they can flourish rather than decay or morph into nightmare.
I definitely agree with the symbolic pattern of the knight errant, which shows how the lower and higher aspects are being joined in the same ambiguous manifestation. It's also true of the spiritual life. The passion that through the grace of God manifest's God's will. The prophet which restores order. Robin Hood. King David.
Ethnos = Group of People, Nation = self governing people group so... You're a people person? Please upload manifesto so we the people may rightly critique
I think the problem is we should be Grateful to God for our Ethnos and Nation.... if instead we are "Proud of it" this is idolatrous. I mean it may seem like word games, but it is not. I have long contemplated the problem in my country Romania, in the interwar period, of why the Ethno-nationalist movement degenerated so rapidly and spectacularly, despite having many seemingly good intentions. Reading some of the poetry and publications of the time, it really stands out that the movement that had begun as a resistance against Communism and the dictatorship of an unrighteous king (the opposite of his father who helped unify the country) rapidly feel into what the Church calls, sins of the Right hand. "Nation" becomes a replacement of God, even though they still appeal to Christianity as the motive for their actions... The nation is elevated above God, and they basically try to instrumentalize God for their political aims, a sort of tower of babel move. I love my country and my people, I feel I belong to both, but there is no country and there is no people without God and without the narrow path He has placed before all men. The Ethnos and the Nation is a responsibility we inherit that we must take care of and attend to, but not all nations are the same, nations have different spirits and you need to discern what that is and it cannot be done without obedience to God first. If you are a Christian then your King and your Kingdom is first and foremost not of this world. Christ doesn't need our brains or our brawn to establish His Kingdom, he says it to St.Peter when the armed men come for Him in the garden, to take Him before the synedrion: "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?". God wants our repentance, the ethnos and the nation are a gift He bestows, it is the flourishing of a way of being. But if that becomes corrupted, turns away from God, it becomes a house divided against itself and it will not stand. There are many "proud" nations in the world that have not even the dust of their bones to point at now. A nation that is humble before God, made of people humble before God, that nation is rooted in eternity and will be able to stand before Him on the day of Judgment, because lets not forget, Christ makes it really clear in Revelations, that there will be a judgment of nations as well.
Yeah. A telling way to put "diversity is our strength" is "division is our strength" ... which is a ridiculous statement, and yet that's the essential idea being pushed with those who tout the former.
@@stevenyoung3752 they've already had a good chat on Scott's channel, Scott should get Richard on his to talk about Universal History & how it links into what he covers & then come on here for round 2 if he & Jon have another hour or two of conversation in the tank
The example of the relics not made by hands evokes the chapter in Jung's Man and His Symbols about how certain rocks stand out to us and we collect them. Again, not made by anyone, or at the very least, without a known story to them. Why pick up some rocks and not others?
So countries in Latam can be considered trully christian country because of all the virgin maries we have? like in Peru for each park there is an statue of the Virgin Mary, and each one represent sometimes different marian apparitions.
He said a distinctive image, like Our Lady of Guadalupe. I'm not Peruvian but maybe Our Lady of La Merced could be. Philipinos have Our lady of La Soledad.
It starts with God and ends with you? Does it end with you? We're not at the bottom of the hierarchy, other things are there down to demons. I would say that is why we can command demons to leave in God's name because of our place in the hierarchy. Everything we've experienced in the world, even how pagans see it in many ways, has been to recognize us as the inhabitants of the middle, rifht down to living in Middle Earth.
Yeah, but ....Jean thé Baptiste came first. So, the three belongs to the King (only the Son knows the Father) but someone must see the Holy Spirit hein? Which one of you two? Watching....
The national epic of America is maybe an adventurous pioneer and the story ends there because they took out a gun and used it on anyone who got in the way. America is too big, it's needs to split into smaller regions and find itself.
I think they are exaggerating this point a bit. While it is true that there was no politically unified German nation until the 19th century, and even then often regional identities (like Bavarian) were stronger, the notion of a community among the German tribes is quite old. The Teutonic Order was founded during the 3rd crusade in the late 12th century, so there must have been a notion of "German" knights and pilgrims as opposed to Frank/French etc. Italy is also a "made up country" but for northern Europeans, like Brits or Germans there was clearly a sense of Italian culture in the 17th and 18th centuries when it was not all politically unified. Nevertheless, it's true that Germany (and Austria and probably also Italy) are different in many (and deep) ways from Britain and France that were already nations in the late middle ages. For Germany, there is also the feature that it is the only large? country divided by the reformation while Austria and France remained mostly catholic and Britain, Netherlands, Scandinavia became protestant.
To me Germany seems like a microcosm of Europe, it changes as Europe does ever since Charlemagne. Afterall every nation-state in Europe (except some of the Balkans and Ireland) have their beginnings with Germanic nobles (Goth, Vandal, Frank, Angle, Rus, etc
From an emotional perspective, we will either sterilize the story or create the New Jerusalem because it's our world. America owns it and if anyone wants to seriously challenge that it's game over for everyone.
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Did Richard ever make a video on Roleplaying games?
An interesting and potentially relevant note about Greeks painting statues, and how many of them are made of marble or similar materials. There was a craze a few years back in my town painting rocks and leaving them in random places. They had a facebook group, it was a big trend. As people got into painting these rocks, they started to be more particular about the kinds of rocks they chose to paint. The most elite rocks were actually imported and were often in short supply and were traded as high value artistic materials specifically because of how well they painted.
They were Santorini Marble.
huh! what an illustrative anecdote!
I used and loved a history book with my children (I'm American) in our homeschool called Our Island Story by H. E. Marshall. It is well-known and used in the Charlotte Mason pedagogy of homeschooling (Charlotte Mason was a British woman writing her philosophy of education in the late 1800's/early 1900's). Even CS Lewis says he read this book as a child and it was a favorite. The first chapter of this history book written for children is The Stories of Albion and Brutus. Many will not use this book or at the very least will skip over this chapter because it starts with "mythology" and "why would they start a history book with something that's not true"? And there are other mythological elements. It's a wonderful book!
I look at it from a perspective of gratitude. Our ancestors lived the sins we don't, and we don't because they sought to correct them and left us with a world where these things are not acceptable and in fact we've been taught this from birth. It is a gift. We were not born "superior", we were handed a superior world ... *by them*. They were the brave ones, facing it in a world that was often an integral part of theirs. It is easy for us to condemn the sins we've been spared.
I honestly get gleeful each time I see one of these episodes is coming.
Thankyou both for this. A laboratory of storytelling! Wow! May you both be blessed in your much needed Christian storytelling endeavours 🙏🏻🕊️
When you guys bring up the problem of understanding America in this frame and the issue of centralization, the usual answer I hear as to why it happened was much earlier than the highway system, that being the aftermath of the Civil War where the model of participating states united in one federal body were subsumed beneath the post 1865 principality
Yeah, the War Between the States and Reconstruction were glaring omissions in this conversation.
I agree the Civil War and reconstruction was a major event. Also the 17th amendment is in that story line. It seems counter intuitive, but by moving the US senate from representing the state governments in the federal government, the direct election of senators made them much more part of the central government and therefore increased the power of the central government.
@@Stygard Oh I'd definitely agree on the 17th amendment being a problem too
That's it exactly.
The south did nothing wrong by seceding, were expelling a foreign power by attacking ft. Sumter, and were fighting for independence and not control of the north during the war, whereas the north fought for control of the south.
The Confederate flag was the last truly American flag, because old America (a union of nation states similar to Europe) died with the south.
What a great defence of the role playing arts! Love it
A nation without an ethnos or narod is no nation and will blow away with the first gust of wind, as Jung aluded to.
Avoid idolatry, the sin of the nations, and learn Scripture that was set down in the Ancient Near East by a people who were true nomads of God, not born of earth but adopted by the ruler of Heaven. Christian faith makes a new people of all origins and none in particular. Carl Jung, stepfather to the satanic delusions of Nazism did not grasp, or rejected the Semitic form of Christian faith that renews Israel as welcoming to all the peoples of the world. The community that worships the Lord is the new nation, He called it into existence and purchased it with his own blood shed for the life of the world. Carl Jung died and is buried, Christ God reigns enfleshed at the right hand of the Father. Get with the program, earthly philosopher.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 you ignore the lessons of the earth, then the world will destroy you utterly. You need to love your own family, your own people, your own nation, for you to have any kind of grounding in this world.
@@newtonia-uo4889 pretty obvious you are projecting your own sad alienation and anomie. Get a life, go to church and forget your XIX c pagan dreams
@Scott aha!!! I've been searching and searching for your channel. I had the spelling wrong.😴
Oh how my people has fallen; to put it in perspective; Tomorrow its a national celebration in my homland; Norway. 🇳🇴
There is coverage on national TV etc... but they never sing all the verses of our national anthem...🤦🏼♂️ They say its to much talk of God, blood, nationalism and heritage... 🤦🏼♂️
Its so sad to me, but i know what they represent is not the truth and the Norwegian people live on; despite the fact our common heritage and interest is being ignored and hidden from us.
Everyone in Europe, including a child would know that the brothers Grimm did not write these stories. Various versions of some of these stories are found in regions outside Europe. Nobody knows who wrote the best songs in Ireland, it would be silly to try and find out.
These universal history explorations are true blessings. Thank you! I'm not seeing the connection between Amboria (Richard's RPG) and bringing people into Christian identity and narrative. Can anyone help me understand this better?
Highly recommend the book Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson, the vast majority of modern "nationalism" is really the by product of printing press propaganda brought on by the forces of capitalism and the Industrial revolution. Prior to these factors most people simply identified with their Church, their town, and their King and that was pretty much it, the key point being all three of those things are personal vs modern nationalism the identity becomes impersonal with a community that has more in common with a mass of atomized people living under a bad rental agreement than an actual nation.
Wrong on every point. The vast majority of people didn't just see themselves via their religious local group, they had a national identity as well, it just wasn't always expressed explicitly politically due to prevalence of decentralized forms of government. Ethiopians(Old Testament), Irish (Why did Brian Boru stop at the unification of the island?), Germans (Why did the empire name itself the HRE of the German nation in 1512 before the printing press?), French (Why did the French peasantry not want to be ruled over by England in the medieval era?), Russians (Why did the RUS convert as a nation in the 11th century?), Jews (Also Old Testament), Greeks (Why fight a war against Persians?, why bother to "Hellenecize" the Middle East?). Theres more examples but this is just a myth peddled by modern historians, ironically. Describing a people with a shared language (how is LANGUAGE not personal?), mannerisms, culture, food, and oftentimes genetics as a "mass of atomized people" is silly and doesnt make any sense, there is nothing more organic (other than religion) that unites people together and has done so for millenia. Watch this review of a book if you want to actually challenge your establishment sponsored ideas: ruclips.net/video/bEjQsfZUSQY/видео.html
@@amalibatullin33 Your confusing my critique of modern nationalism which is entirely contrived and made up with traditional nationalism or ethnos which has a real basis in geography, ethnicity, religion, tribal affiliation and obviously language. In terms of MODERN NATIONALISM KEY WORD MODERN, it's 100% a mass of atomized individuals living under an impersonal corporate bureaucracy, in countries that haven't had their national soul completely ripped out in some enlightenment revolutionary nightmare they might still retain their national-ethnos.
@@amalibatullin33 He is obviously talking about modern, post-Enlightenment, post-French Revolution, flag-waving nationalism. Ethnos has always been a thing. "I pledge allegiance to the Nation-State, and the ruling Bureaucracy ruling thereof..."-type of nationalism is a modern invention.
@@majorian4897 Modern nationalism would not be true nationalism if it is merely loyalty to a state bureaucracy. At that point it is just a state co-opting elements of nationalism in order to prop itself up.
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That's his point, modern nationalism isn't true nationalism.
That died in the early 1900s and became "white supremacy."
9:58 "as modern people when we wanna understand this we always wanna be outside the hierarchy.
Not sure if anyone mentioned the "time traveling" mystery Saint yet:
Philopater Mercurius
He's the military St. w/ the two swords on a black horse.
Now I want the Universal History of Germany!
So excited for the ttrpg
If someone is skeptical of the way liturgy or other things come down from heaven, they can think of it like a stray cat. People talk about the cat distribution system or how the universe will provide you a cat. You don't go out and shop for a cat, you simply live your life and a kitten sort of appears. It has a back story, an explanation, a statistical likelihood of being in that place and time with that kind of need, but all of that is subsumed into irrelevance by the fact that this is the apparition of your new cat.
Best of Luck Richard, having done a fair amount of tabletop game development myself I know how hard it is. Of course I backed your project and hope it is a smashing success.
Thank you!!!
Wow, thanks for the shout out Richard! It was a blessing and unexpected to meet you at your church! Hope to visit there again someday.
I missed this one, it’s not on the Universal History playlist, hook that up for people JP.
Did Richard ever make a video on Roleplaying games?
My hope is that you guys don't get pulled into this soft centrist classical liberalism. We don't need to talk about 'nation, or ethnic sins' our enemies do that. Lift up the good and disclose hidden authentic Being under propaganda. There are implicit ethnos and narod in USA, If you take Dugin seriously, the narod of USA is an Anglosaxon metaphysical soul. Others can possess this Narod. It's so much more than just a story, far more than the word 'identity' points to.
That's interesting. Where, in which work did Dugin state that?
He's affiliated with Jordan Peterson so they already are soft classical liberals.
Are you guys writing a book on Universal History? I want a book. 🙂
As a father currently raising children internationally, I really appreciated hearing about your background and perspective at the end, Richard. ""The liturgical year IS your epic. It’s your sacred story. It’s one that you can totally participate in.”
I appreciated the descriptor of "aggressively beige" as well. 😆
“Creators are they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them, destroyers are they who lay snares for many, and call it the State.”
Nietzsche
Epic discussion 💜. More on German origins pls
I’m shocked you don’t mention the American civil war….
Just didn't get around to it -- in a future video we will.
God bless JP and RR!
Richard, I'd like to argue that you're partially wrong about Finnish identity. You describe it like Fins are trying to figure out what it means to be Finnish after they gained independence from Russia. But if you look at the timeline, Finland was part of the Swedish kingdom for 700 years, and the Russians usurped Finland in 1809, five years after Napoleon rose to power in France. The nationalism movement was just starting as Finland had to come to terms with its new authorities. The Kalevala was written down in 1835, which was about 80ish years before Finland's independence.
Now, a hundred years later, it is just a fact that the Swedish language has a much bigger presence in Finland than Russian. And culturally the Fins don't connect with Russia's story at all. The exception is of course border regions such as Karelia, which still partially is under Russian authority to this day. This is also where the main narrative gets more complex, since Karelia is the birthplace of Finnish Orthodoxy. Many Finnish Orthodox still lament the loss of Karelia and the severance of the Karelian communities. On the other hand, Orthodoxy in 20th century Finland could be too "Russian", as martyr Saint Johannes Ilomantsilainen was killed by Fins who thought that his Orthodoxy made him a Russian Bolshevik.
the FoC is now autocephalous and under the wing of the Patriarch of Constantinople (recognized by the Patriarch of Moscow) so the Russian-ness of Orthodoxy has slowly taken a back seat.
Gone with The Wind is so good.
Gone With The Wind is a morality tale. Scarlett lays waste to her life as she makes increasingly selfish and sinful choices. It’s also a pygmalion/Frankenstein tale as she takes heed of Rhett’s influence over her mother’s.
43:46 It doesn't give the government that authority, but they've TAKEN that authority, using the Commerce Clause as an excuse.
Scotland is not Celtic. The Scottish people of the lowlands, where almost everyone lives, are Anglo Saxon. They speak and have always spoken a form of English.
I consulted Wikipedia on this subject and it seems like most of the Lowlands were Gaelic-speaking at some point, and there were also some Cumbric-speaking areas. Gaelic continued in Galloway until fairly late.
Have you all read Eugene Vodolazkin’s latest book “A History of the Island” yet?
It’s a really interesting read. It’s written in the form of a medieval Chronicle, with commentary. A few very interesting and relevant sections about medieval versus modern theories of history and epistemology.
Hey, Matt, if I were to take a guess. The modern varient is interested in taking apart the old, and while the medieval is more interested in phenomelogical, as it happens, we don't what kind of underwear the pope was wearing on Saturday. So lest not fuck with the mystery. The moderns are very interested in the underwear, it's colour and you can crazy. But, did I get your thought even partially right?
@@vimalpatel4060 yeah that’s roughly the gist, but Vodolazkin has some very interesting insights that I think could probably only occur to someone who grew up in a collapsing modernist “utopia” like the USSR of his childhood
@@hobbsmatt That's interesting! And from what I have gathered from his other novel Laurus, is written in what you describe as, a falling communist utopian vision.
@@vimalpatel4060 oh no, “Laurus” is about a 14th century folk healer in Kievan Rus’ who basically goes through the stages that you read in the life of a saint. It’s a masterpiece. Read “Laurus” first. It’s way better than his latest book, for what my opinion is worth
@@hobbsmatt Dude, I meant vision, as in using post modern language, the stuff of the margin or profane, to regain the center and the sacred. This is in lieu of the slightly medieval bend or prose of the latest book, as your said. Sorry for the confusion.
PS: I am planning to read the thing, if circumstances allow for it, thanks for the further ratification of that book.
Thanks
The Kingdom of Germany was indeed a constituent element of the Holy Roman Empire. The breakup of the central realm of the Empire happened gracually starting from a whole unit over time, thus the idea of Germany being a contrivance cannot entirely be true.
Whoever was coronated Holy Roman Emperor was also given the title King of the Germans.
I always thought the US and Canada were odd ducks out in the world in the sense that we were the two major major countries not defined by the national (or ethnic rather) identity. I think when inclusivity is applied to that it disintegrates the place in a hurry.
We have to find as way to deal with the sins of our ancestors…star war offers a story that could be the starting point. Luke has to redeem his father. After episode 6, he would need to deal with the legacy of his father Darth Vader. There is an opportunity there to tell a story about dealing with the sins of your ancestors. But judging by the recent sequel trilogy, nobody knows how to tell that story.
0:12. I don’t understand why you would leave out the whole hierarchy of the Hebrew religion in which Christianity started.
I hope I will be able to have a talk with Richard before his Kickstarter is over. I don't have the size of the audience of Jonathan here, but my audience is an RPG one.
I'd love to talk!
Nice, I'd watch.
@Richard Rohlin just backed the project. I was thinking over the last few years how table top would be great to teach story telling and have an immersing experience that could have real lasting change. Well here you go! The kickstarter looks great, absolutely loved the little bits I read. I backed the two printed books. Will you be attending the Chino estuary?
@@SanjuroSan I didn't even know it was happening!
you know, one of the big modern problems is that a lot of these myths that could provide some sort of local identity were lost, some people just don't have anything and so are destined for death. they could find some identity in the christian myths but I tell you that would only be a half measure, you need some intermediate identities to have real access to the christian identity.
There’s something very special about the participatory nature of tabletop games that most people experience through the trickle down aspects of video games.
That was very good.
One thing I noticed was that it seemed like the term "organic" was often used as meaning "not top down" something neither of these gentlement actually believe. No reason "organic" can't involve some imposition from above. It can't just be completely that.
Laura Ingles Wilder does it a bit for US culture.
There are three Americas.
There are the people who believe America began when the pilgrims landed. There are people who believe America started after the civil war.
There are people who think America started after the Second World War.
Good luck writing a national epic.
it is obvious which is true, it is when the pilgrims landed that the entity of a unified american state has laid its first seed and found its fulfillment in the american revolution. Eversince that day, they have been trying to live up to their founding ideals while wrestling with the tides of time.
Sports teams and cookouts bind Americans together, everyone can participate in that.
The way is to have a country whose civic religion (form of government) and religion form together to create a new behavior that is unique to that people. Joseph di Maistre puts it well:
“Human reason reduced to its own resources is perfectly worthless, not only for creating but also for preserving any political or religious association, because it only produces disputes, and, to conduct himself well, man needs not problems but beliefs. His cradle should be surrounded by dogmas, and when his reason is awakened, it should find all his opinions ready-made, at least all those relating to his conduct. Nothing is so important to him as prejudices, Let us not take this word in a bad sense. It does not necessarily mean false ideas, but only, in the strict sense of the word, opinions adopted before any examination. Now these sorts of opinions are man’s greatest need, the true elements of his happiness, and the Palladium of empires. Without them, there can be neither worship, nor morality, nor government. There must be a state religion just as there is a state policy; or, rather, religious and political dogmas must be merged and mingled together to form a complete common or national reason strong enough to repress the aberrations of individual reason, which of its nature is the mortal enemy of any association whatever because it produces only divergent opinions.
All known nations have been happy and powerful to the extent that they have more faithfully obeyed this national reason, which is nothing other than the annihilation of individual dogmas and the absolute and general reign of national dogmas, that is to say, of useful prejudices. Let each man call upon his individual reason in the matter of religion, and immediately you will see the birth of an anarchy of belief or the annihilation of religious sovereignty. Likewise, if each man makes himself judge of the principles of government, you will at once see the birth of civil anarchy or the annihilation of political sovereignty. Government is a true religion: it has its dogmas, its mysteries, and its ministers. To annihilate it or submit it to the discussion of each individual is the same thing; it lives only through national reason, that is to say through political faith, which is a creed. Man’s first need is that his nascent reason be curbed under this double yoke, that it be abased and lose itself in the national reason, so that it changes its individual existence into another common existence, just as a river that flows into the ocean always continues to exist in the mass of water, but without a name and without a distinct reality.”
― Joseph de Maistre, Against Rousseau: On the State of Nature and On the Sovereignty of the People
Welcome to fascism, Welcome to Tradition, LMAO the realization that comes when one sees that the symbolic and the pragmatic meet because the symbols and the matter having coincident functions is unescapable. Liberalism and its hegalian holistic spawns like communism are unnatural blights to human existence
Hi I have an important question. Why did god allow for the murder of jepthah daughter as a sacrifice to Him why did he not let her life? (Judges 11 verse 39) this is deeply bothering me.
Wonderful stuff. Can you recommend something to read about the North American martyrs you mentioned?
The Orthodox Church in America website has a list of American hagiography. St. Peter the Aleut is one.
I hope the US national story doesn't end up being the zombie apocalypse.
Looking forward to The Symbolism of Kalevala video 👀
Torille!
I also wish to see one on the symbolism of Käärijä 😂
What about the indo European religions. The actual roots of the tree.
There are many houses in the mansion of the Father.
Perhaps Paul Bunion is closer to an American Mythology? He us a giant, a logger in the west, a civilizer in the sense that logging is the process by which land is settled. just a thought
I have my 5th text book from 1961 (it was given to me) called These are Our People published for Catholic U of America press in 1943.
It was stories about American children of various ethnic backgrounds. Faith and freedom united them and me
with them.
Interspersed were Bible excerpts on marvelously illustrated pages and there were poems: Ellis Island by Katherine Rankin, America
the Beautiful, The Flower-Fed Buffaloes by Vachel Lindsay,
and short American histories of wondrous inventions and accomplishments.
This book was my national and spiritual mythology, providing my child self deep love, pride and security in my faith and my country.
Does the book say “Faith and freedom” at the bottom of the cover and at the front of the image is a guy with a plow?
The enforced French Canadian out West drives me nuts. I could fully see having Punjabi, Hindi, Mandarin or Cantonese instead because of our large immigrant populations that primarily speak those (and places like clinics do print their own in those languages) but having 50% of everything at the grocery store covered in a language of utility to only the 0.00001% who genuinely need FC and can't use English out here is maddening.
Worse, it isn't reciprocated. Quebec police stations don't have English signs in return while ours have FC here.
Welcome to Canada right, it is mental here.
It's an effort to maintain some form of Canadian identity.
If you want more third world influence in our country, why don't you save everyone the trouble on both sides and go live in the third world? Be sure to take all your new compatriots with you.
@@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx the single binding factor that Canadian identity is built around is not being American. That is the only common ground between the British (including the United Empire Loyalists expelled from thr 13 Colonies), the French and the Natives. The bulwark of that identity once was backed by the British Empire but since WWII is has had no foundation.
@@nektulosnewbie Obviously our British and French components share a common tradition of Christianity and Europe, much deeper than one empire, that can be drawn upon.
The dichotomy between British imperialism and multiculturalism is false.
@@nektulosnewbie such an identity is useless, an identity built on resentment is good in trying to lift it up from the shadows of another power but it has no creative, invigorating, and lasting force if it doesn't overcome this phase, Canada was created out of fear of being conquered by the americans, that is true, but Canada is much more than just a scared union of provinces or a globalized zipcode for international businessmen, it is a home for an ethnos.
@1:09:37 😁
1:08:28
What 5th century papal condemnation of Enoch is Richard referencing?
More Universal History, Let's go!!!
“Nested hierarchy”. Slowly de-verticalising.
Id become orthodox if it meant guacamole!
The church at large has become risk averse. Creativity dances with risk. Everytime we tell a story we risk a foolish twist. This is only bad if the point of a story is to perfectly communicate the fullness of God. But we know that is idolatry. We should know that the nature of all story is to only tell part of the story. The nature of story requires we actively engage in the telling and hearing to judge which parts are good and which parts demonstrate the truth of depravity.
Maybe just me? But this was one of the best Pageau conversations I've seen for a long time!
Looking forward to this, especially what is Jonathan and Richard's take on the protestant American view of their place in Universal History.
We do venerate our ancestors and also acknowledge their sins it’s just that we have a holiday called Halloween where we (used to) forgive the sins of the ancestors.
Our ancestoral honor is not up for debate especially to foreigners or outsiders. If they don’t like it it tough.
I'd argue that highways and airplanes would actually be good for US unity if the people running the education, media, and corporate sectors weren't trying their darndest to suck every semblance of real culture into a black hole of anti-culture. It's legitimately awesome for the man on the street to be able to see Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock and a pitched cannon battle at Gettysburg, eat like a cowboy in Texas, see Mardi Gras in New Orleans, visit Mt. Rushmore and the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls, sightsee in the Capitol, and so on and so forth. And it's worth pointing out that the quintessentially American movie genre -- the road movie -- tends to revolve around the automobile.
If there's one story that ties America together, it's the story of those who'd rather risk the dangers of the desert than accept the "security" of Egypt, usually finding help in divine Providence in the process -- the Pilgrims crossing the ocean at immense risk, landing hundreds of miles away from where they were meant to land, and nearly starving before being saved by the one Native American in the area who just happened to speak English; a ragtag Colonial militia defeating the world's greatest empire thanks to some really unlikely but critical turns of events; settlers traveling the Oregon Trail at great personal risk; cowboys venturing out into the literal wilderness of the Wild West. Benjamin Franklin suggested the nation's seal be the Crossing of the Red Sea; Thomas Jefferson suggested it be the Israelites being led by the pillars of cloud and fire. Travel and adventure /is/ the US's story.
It's not a weak story, either. Thanksgiving and the Fourth of July were enough to bind the nation together for 200+ years, and it says a lot that it took 80 years of education designed to undercut that nation to split the country's opinion on them in half.
And that, I think, is the crux of the issue. The American story is a lightning rod for anyone and everyone who seeks perfect (tyrannical) order, because they can't succeed when confronted by an infuriatingly powerful nation whose people have been raised from birth to reject all totalizing ambitions, no matter how much comfort the totalizers promise... and the American people failed to realize how much damage the repeated strikes had done to their national narrative until it was almost too late. Even so, the American story is basically the only national story left standing in the West despite being the primary target. Replacing it would almost certainly do more harm than good -- what's really needed is to replace the totalizers.
BTW, I think that on the symbolic level, America functions as the Stranger. Its unique national myth is the Western, where the figure from the margins appears to fight off the wolves that threaten the social order (both the chaotic ones from the outside and the tyrannical ones from the inside) and then rides off into the sunset.
Superheroes are, to a large extent, a more special-effects laden variant of the same. Looking at the rest of action cinema, you've also got your cops who do their best work after handing in their badge, your heroic warriors who save the day by ignoring bad orders, your pirates and smugglers who defy tyranny, and every other variant of charming rogue imaginable. And America's national history is framed much the same way.
In other words, America doesn't need a single face for its national myth, because the myth of the Stranger basically appears everywhere. It's just not a standard national myth because, well, the US is largely a self-selected collection of everyone who didn't fit in where they came from, and it's not possible for any single figure to equally represent all of them.
(This framework then brings up a couple of interesting points: first, that there's something symbolically fitting about the country from the margins consistently getting into fights over the ability to freely navigate the sea, and second, that it makes a lot of sense that the only form of tyranny that can find traction in the country from the margins is the inverted tyranny that pretends to be concerned for the margins.)
calling the german nation and identity a modern construct is completely false. the german identity is basically 4000 years old and came to be when the indoeuropean steppe herders from the east moved west into northern germany and southern scandinavia and mingled with the megalithic farmers and hunter gatherers to create a new people group. these are the ancestors to all germanic people groups today and you can argue that it has been the same identity from then onwards to today in germany. this can be concluded from studying the term theodisc which was used in england and the frankish empire to distinguish between german (including old english speakers) and latin speakers ( like frensh and so on). theodisc just means the people. and modern day deutsch, duits and dutch, the self describing term used by german and dutch people (who are german) today is the modern version of the medieval term theodisc. so german people have always been calling themselves simply "the people" in a unifying sense. scandinavians call germany thyskland. thysk is also derived from theodisc. thus it makes no sense to say that no one in germany in the middleages called themselves german. they all did. and beside their unifying german identity they also had their unique tribal identity like the bavarians, franks, saxons, swabians, thuringians, frisians and so on. and the anglos and saxons and jutes who migrated to the british isles are also part of this identity. Just because the old tribal dutchies of the german roman empire fragmented into all the small feudal sovereign states of the high and late middleages and modern period, doesn´t mean that all germans did not have a unifying german identity, while not being politically unified. I am dissapointed in Richard portraying this issue completely false while being a student of linguistics and history and ethnicities himself. It seems to me as if this is another case of modern english or american people failing to understand the complex german national identity which is very old and not simply a modern construct.
The overall discussion was great, but yeah that particular point on Germany was pretty retarded.
Ironic for this show in particular, but deconstructing Germanity is like this little grovelling ritual people feel the need to do when discussing nationalism and identity because, as Bishop Richard Williamson says, 'the only sin left is nazi sin.'
If there is and always has been such a thing as a real traditional German identity (in this generic sense), why is it that for the vast majority of Germans if you ask them what does it mean to be "German", it amounts to literally nothing more than having a German passport. Whereas is if you asked what does it mean to be a "Bayer" or "Hesse" or "Schwabe" and so on then you get descriptions of proper traditional identities and distinct modes of being. (Btw I am German and living in Germany so you don't need to say I'm making this up).
Obviously you can observe this breakdown of the meaning of the category of national identity everywhere in Western Europe as a consequence of globalist indoctrination, but nowhere did this take root so quickly and readily as in Germany precisely because the concept of a "German identity" in this modern sense had no solid foundation in the people to begin with.
Because it was firebombed, raped, and brainwashed from their identity during and after WW2.
This was literally the entirety of mein Kampf assuming anyone actually read it
Hitler wanted Germany to be German and to unite all Germans under one nation state.
And any discomfort you feel regarding this subject is exactly why no modern German can answer this question.
HRE Emperor title went along with another title, King of the Germans, proving that the idea of a German political entity is at least as old as the Holy Roman Empire.
@@user-tp7wi4lt2b The denazification after world war two and its consquences impelemented by the allies ever since destroyed much of the german identity and national pride. Modern germans are a broken people full of selfhate and no interest for their own tradition and history and culture. Die Entnazifizierung nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg und ihre Folgen, welche die Alliierten seitdem umsetzen, haben viel von der deutschen Identität und dem deutschen Nationalstolz zerstört. Die heutigen Deutschen sind ein gebrochenes Volk, welches voll von Selbsthass und Desinteresse für die eigene Tradition, Geschichte und Kultur ist.
You make me think of The Four Loves by CS Lewis. All the human loves are good. Very good. But as soon as we idolise them they become demons. Would it be fair to say that the modern nation is a very good thing, but a human thing which must not be worshipped? We need to worship God alone, but that does not mean denigrating our human loves, but rather giving them their proper place, a place where they can flourish rather than decay or morph into nightmare.
天呐！你会讲中文啊！ 我是一个来到中国10年的美国人～ 一直想知道你什么时候开始做中国universal历史，但以为没有希望。。。那你会讲中文的话 你什么时候要让中国故事参加。。。！？有很多很有趣的细节。。。比如过年的很多细节很像passover哈哈哈哈
Jonathon must have David Bentley Hart on
No
Not a fan of DBH
I definitely agree with the symbolic pattern of the knight errant, which shows how the lower and higher aspects are being joined in the same ambiguous manifestation. It's also true of the spiritual life. The passion that through the grace of God manifest's God's will. The prophet which restores order. Robin Hood. King David.
Is there a discord channel? It would be nice to have a place to ask questions for other people writing campaigns like these
I'm a proud Ethno-Nationalist and I will go to my grave an Ethno-Nationalist
What the heck does that even mean?
Ethnos = Group of People, Nation = self governing people group so... You're a people person? Please upload manifesto so we the people may rightly critique
I think the problem is we should be Grateful to God for our Ethnos and Nation.... if instead we are "Proud of it" this is idolatrous. I mean it may seem like word games, but it is not. I have long contemplated the problem in my country Romania, in the interwar period, of why the Ethno-nationalist movement degenerated so rapidly and spectacularly, despite having many seemingly good intentions. Reading some of the poetry and publications of the time, it really stands out that the movement that had begun as a resistance against Communism and the dictatorship of an unrighteous king (the opposite of his father who helped unify the country) rapidly feel into what the Church calls, sins of the Right hand. "Nation" becomes a replacement of God, even though they still appeal to Christianity as the motive for their actions... The nation is elevated above God, and they basically try to instrumentalize God for their political aims, a sort of tower of babel move. I love my country and my people, I feel I belong to both, but there is no country and there is no people without God and without the narrow path He has placed before all men. The Ethnos and the Nation is a responsibility we inherit that we must take care of and attend to, but not all nations are the same, nations have different spirits and you need to discern what that is and it cannot be done without obedience to God first.
If you are a Christian then your King and your Kingdom is first and foremost not of this world. Christ doesn't need our brains or our brawn to establish His Kingdom, he says it to St.Peter when the armed men come for Him in the garden, to take Him before the synedrion: "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?". God wants our repentance, the ethnos and the nation are a gift He bestows, it is the flourishing of a way of being. But if that becomes corrupted, turns away from God, it becomes a house divided against itself and it will not stand. There are many "proud" nations in the world that have not even the dust of their bones to point at now. A nation that is humble before God, made of people humble before God, that nation is rooted in eternity and will be able to stand before Him on the day of Judgment, because lets not forget, Christ makes it really clear in Revelations, that there will be a judgment of nations as well.
@muntele Absolutely Excellent!
Yeah. A telling way to put "diversity is our strength" is "division is our strength" ... which is a ridiculous statement, and yet that's the essential idea being pushed with those who tout the former.
Could bring Scott Mannion to the fold!
He's a gigachad, I'd love to see him and Jonathan
Top bloke Scott.
@@stevenyoung3752 they've already had a good chat on Scott's channel, Scott should get Richard on his to talk about Universal History & how it links into what he covers & then come on here for round 2 if he & Jon have another hour or two of conversation in the tank
You need the strange real stories that are true, not the ones that avoid the ugly, as Dr BlackWood so clearly understands.
That first minute deserves a mic drop 🔥🔥
The example of the relics not made by hands evokes the chapter in Jung's Man and His Symbols about how certain rocks stand out to us and we collect them. Again, not made by anyone, or at the very least, without a known story to them.
Why pick up some rocks and not others?
My favorite RUclips moment
So countries in Latam can be considered trully christian country because of all the virgin maries we have? like in Peru for each park there is an statue of the Virgin Mary, and each one represent sometimes different marian apparitions.
He said a distinctive image, like Our Lady of Guadalupe. I'm not Peruvian but maybe Our Lady of La Merced could be. Philipinos have Our lady of La Soledad.
Nice. GM
hoping for some hot takes...
Ábhar machnaimh.
Well, my work day just got 10 times better
It starts with God and ends with you? Does it end with you? We're not at the bottom of the hierarchy, other things are there down to demons.
I would say that is why we can command demons to leave in God's name because of our place in the hierarchy.
Everything we've experienced in the world, even how pagans see it in many ways, has been to recognize us as the inhabitants of the middle, rifht down to living in Middle Earth.
Yes, I think they just weren’t careful there. Obviously animals are under us.
PS I looked it up:These are Our People 1943, and it can be viewed digitally!
Yeah, but ....Jean thé Baptiste came first. So, the three belongs to the King (only the Son knows the Father) but someone must see the Holy Spirit hein? Which one of you two? Watching....
Guacamole ain't going anywhere so long as there are Mexicans. lol
The national epic of America is maybe an adventurous pioneer and the story ends there because they took out a gun and used it on anyone who got in the way. America is too big, it's needs to split into smaller regions and find itself.
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Re: Germany being a made up Country. Early census documents (1840 census) list my Hile ancestors Country of origin as Hesse-Darmstadt.
I think they are exaggerating this point a bit. While it is true that there was no politically unified German nation until the 19th century, and even then often regional identities (like Bavarian) were stronger, the notion of a community among the German tribes is quite old. The Teutonic Order was founded during the 3rd crusade in the late 12th century, so there must have been a notion of "German" knights and pilgrims as opposed to Frank/French etc.
Italy is also a "made up country" but for northern Europeans, like Brits or Germans there was clearly a sense of Italian culture in the 17th and 18th centuries when it was not all politically unified.
Nevertheless, it's true that Germany (and Austria and probably also Italy) are different in many (and deep) ways from Britain and France that were already nations in the late middle ages. For Germany, there is also the feature that it is the only large? country divided by the reformation while Austria and France remained mostly catholic and Britain, Netherlands, Scandinavia became protestant.
@ Nate…Grail Country is a country too.
To me Germany seems like a microcosm of Europe, it changes as Europe does ever since Charlemagne.
Afterall every nation-state in Europe (except some of the Balkans and Ireland) have their beginnings with Germanic nobles (Goth, Vandal, Frank, Angle, Rus, etc
America will last because of one simple thing. Rome already died and rose from the dead. That argument is enough to bind these united states
From an emotional perspective, we will either sterilize the story or create the New Jerusalem because it's our world. America owns it and if anyone wants to seriously challenge that it's game over for everyone.