The Christian Story is Inevitable || Jonathan Pageau || RESET
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this interview, Glen Scrivener talks to Jonathan Pageau. Jonathan is an icon carver, editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and a public speaker. Through his RUclips channel, he regularly explores symbolism and the meaning crisis. Here, Glen and Jonathan discuss symbolism in the book of Genesis, and why we often miss it.
Jonathan Pageau's (@JonathanPageau) RUclips channel: / jonathanpageau
RESET is a series of conversations exploring the meaning crisis. With the help of cultural analysts and biblical scholars we're going back to the beginning - to Genesis, the West's great origins story - to hear the ancient texts speaking today.
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I am a American from the south. I grew up in church then fell away into popular ideology for a while. Then realized it doesn’t produce anything good. I realized that everything good and fruitful in my life all had to do with my Christian heritage. And that I was failing to pass that on to my kids. I’ve woken up and now have re-found my faith. And this time it’s so much stronger. God bless you both
Praise God for you and your household of Faith. I bless your sphere of influence with a cutting edge breakthrough. The Bride of Christ is preparing for her wedding. It's a new thing. Very beautiful.
Same, Amen.
Me 4
God bless you brother I’m Glad the Holy Spirit did a great work in you! Christ is risen
Praise God my bro
I was reading The Hobbit to my 5yr old boy the other night and Gandalf showed up at the shire and he said “Dad, Gandalf is a wizard like Moses. Remember he has that staff and he throws it on the ground and it turns into a snake and then he picks it up and it’s a staff again?”
Kids get it!!
Epic
@@botarakutabi1199 embarrassingly you didn’t get it lol
@@botarakutabi1199 so very sure
@@botarakutabi1199 dude no one cares what you have to say here.
It is so wonderful to hear Jonathan say the Christian story is inevitable . Jesus Christ will return and we will see His Glory!
@M M May be one day you will get your wish to be a fly on the wall of my mind. But it is the mind of Christ that is what you are really craving for. You yearn for eternal salvation but you hate that it can only come from our Creator Jesus Christ. But you know it is true because He created you. He is calling all to salvation. Will you accept or reject Him? Accept Him and you will see His Glory. Reject Him and you will remain condemned. Why reject The Truth?
@M M Your beef needs to be directed to Christ Himself. On the cross. His Bride is full of sinners. Christ came to heal the sick , not those who don't want healing. The evil men perpetrate comes from themselves not from Christ Jesus. It was men that put Him on the Cross. So look to Jesus Christ for the Truth of the Gospel, not only the sins of His children. My faith is not derived from the sins of mankind but from the knowledge that God Himself , Emmanuel, was with us and came to save us from our sins. You want to be saved from your sins. Only following Christ does that. Pointing fingers at religious evil acts does not save you. Christ is the light of all men. But men reject that light in favour of darkness. Do not reject the light. Accept it and be the City on the Hill.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Over 2000 years ago there were a Jewish joke:" if anybody tells you Messiah is coming, finish firstly your work, you will still have enough time to come to him and meet him...."
@@jurekk3776 And so they did. He preached for 3 1/2 years. Depends on what you mean by "finish your work".
Jonathan is one of the most fascinating humans I have encountered in the mediaverse. Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I never knew the garden was a mountain until I listened to The Symbolic World. Grateful for Jonathan's knowledge and ability to communicate his perspective and Christian wisdom.
This is the most explicit I’ve seen Jonathan ever be about salvation and dying and being reborn. I agree entirely with this view, which will sound very radical to many Catholics and Protestants. Thank you!
The questions are quite pointy... the joy of salvation is rekindled with the answers
You are about the deep weird.
No- it is the pattern of reality.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
@@mitchellc4 You are going to be waiting a long time if you think ON THE EARTH, means that it can't also be symbolic. But maybe you don't think they are separate! A few people, those for whom Christ has already returned, have been living within the Kingdom, and this has been the case for many people for millenia.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The Kingdom is no different than theosis.
Why would it sound radical to a Catholic?
The interviewers questions were bothering me at first for some reason, then I realized he’s asking really good controversial questions that allows Johnathan to bring his understanding to light for us. Great video!
I've listened to probably over 250 hours of Jonathan on RUclips, but this is the best 1-on-1 interview I've seen with him. Thank you so much Glen!
My favorite is Jon's recent appearance on Benjamin Boyce, Jan. 16, 2024.
This has me smiling all the way through. Great job to both of you. I am learning so much. I am seeing so much. I am growing deeper in my understanding of Christ, Holy Orthodoxy and my pursuit of meaning. So grateful!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
What church is he member of?
@@M-i-k-a-e-lThe Orthodox Catholic Church.
I always find listening to Jonathan so liberating and interesting.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
My husband once described our journey as constantly BECOMING the. Likeness of Christ
Love his podcast The Symbolic World.
Fascinating isn't it?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
@@SpeakLifeMedia The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
I would suggest incase you missed it mentioned in The Symbolic World, listening to the Lord of Spirits.
Jonathan is so deep that it is truly fascinating. You just don't find such folks nowadays in their ability to explain so beautifully the christian message. God bless him.
Amazing how Glen brought Jonathan to life. It looks like Jonathan might have found the “moment” during the interview. I think Jonathan has this rare ability to access the collective unconscious where meanings are revealed in symbols, icons, etc. Even him, only sees the glimpses of it at the right moment when multiplicity converges... how many people experienced God’s glory in this conversation?
Amen.🙏
Yes, he did. I usually fall back to 'I know that I know nothing', but I'll never admit it.
gee, that's a big glimpse.
And His Goodness which is His Glory!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Let us feed on His Word each day and through that we will learn to know God more and more. Man does not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Amén brother
Amen ✝
In the post-modern world you have to conquer death by staying alive. In Christianity you conquer death by dying willfully. 40:34
I'm super-impressed with this interview, a penny dropping every minute. And Jonathan Pageau is very articulate, much more than I remember from a few years back.
Pageau has developed language over time to talk about these things for sure.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Jonathan is my biggest inspiration at the moment. I’ve been watching every video this guy releases since the beginning when I saw him with Peterson. I now am starting my own channel and I’d say Jonathan is the biggest reason why.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Gonna watch one of your videos afterwards
Brilliant conversation - came here because of Jonathan! but I enjoyed the tone of the whole conversation, I liked the questions that aided the mind/heart to go deeper! I will check out your interviews with others, too .....Thank you both , guys!!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Loved this, one of my favourite Pageau interviews. Would love for you guys to do this again sometime.
I'd love that too!
I've seen a lot of Jonathan's video and I agree, the conversation was very pleasant, Glen asked great questions!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
What church is he member of?
@@M-i-k-a-e-l American Orthodox I believe. He attends french mass at an orthodox church in Quebec.
As we grow , we become more like Christ every day that we follow Him thank you again for this lovely conversation.
Awesome discussion! Glad to see this meeting of Christian worlds.
Jonathan Pageau never disappoints.
"The Christian Story is Inevitable" a perfect title and a conclusion that I came to as part of my religious and philosophical journey some time ago. In that regard, Christianity can reward the true believer and the agnostic in similar measure. The so called leap of faith which the agnostic refuses to take is the difference and I would argue that even this is inevitable. When I took my leap and reflected on it it felt like a small step and the first rather than the last. There was a feeling of immense relief for me, letting go of the reluctance and the resistance and embracing my faith in full.
My grandson is studying philosophy at college, and he is asking some amazing questions every week. It’s wonderful to listen to this, as it’s fabulous to be able to share with him my faith. Thanks for. Your insights into all parts of life. Even talking about sexual matters is easier as we compare the. Union with that of Christ.
Loved, loved, loved this conversation. Thank you both so much, there’s a lot think about in this conversation. Thanks!
Great interview! Beautiful discussion.
Just beautiful to listen too ...
During lent 🙏🏻
Fantastic interview thank you so much!🦋🕊
The two worlds collide! I love this!!
Love this! Love to hear your explanations!! It was beautiful how you and Dr, Peterson came together! Thank you!
So enlightening. Thank you both.
Denying Christ is denying Love itself.
This really blessed me. Thank you for doing this interview.
The production value of this podcast is really good! Looks nice
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Thanks guys this was good to watch and gives a lot to think over.
Great discussion
I know Pageau but didn't know this channel...excellent interview, great questions and discussion. Getting to the Gospel instead of circling around with hints and shadows
Inspiring conversation. ❤
This dude is ALWAYS on point. Terrific insights here.
Great discussion...glad to hear this from jonathan
It gladdens me to hear Jonathan tell us that at times he has tasted God's Glory. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel
Great interview! One of the best with Jonathan. Subscribed ✅
Awesome! Thank you! Find the patterns!
Why is God hidden?
bc your eyes are closed, my friend.
He found me on a couch doing the opposite of what I should of been doing. I love Jesus.
"Love doesn't abolish multiplicity." Amen. The word of God is like seed, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8, all 3 synoptic Gospels attest!
Thank you.
Fascinating. Tq❤. My question too brought up here @32.30. Will be going through more or JP's material to understand this and more.
Such a great interview, I now subscribed myself to Speak Life. Probably will visit more frequently Jonathan Pageau's channel. I seem to be able to understand him and his pattern idea regarding the Bible.
SOOO good!! Thank you!!
Amazing testimony
Only Jesus Christ Saves!...
Wow... let this sink in the light of life today with all the blurring of boundaries... "For reality to exist normally we need to able to separate things. " Creating patterns of respect".
So profound. And now we see how the world wants to blur boundaries and call it liberalism. Shows we are amidst a spiritual war.
I wonder also if it’s talking about synthetic polymers
Plastic is causing a lot of harm
Yes
It's a massive problem bro
Awesome question
Awesome stuff
Oh i remember John Zouzoulos he was here in Glasgow many years ago he had a great influence on many fundamentalists to make them see things differently 🏴🇬🇧🙏
I bought his Cosmic Mountain tshirt last week - it's amazing!!
And I finished A Secular Age by Charles Taylor after a billion years just last week (yay) - the buffered self - such a crucial insight.
Fantastic interview.
Ecclesiastes helped show me that king of kings, means there should be kings, all bow to Christ, it's not negotiable and it's good
"The deep weird" Since starting to consider Catholicism, yeah... feels that way. But in a good way. :)
Jonathan is a genius.
I did not understand much of what Jonathan said, but I do know that the figurative language of Sacred Scripture is poetic in the same way that all poetry is poetic. The words used to created the signal images of prophetic passages are like all other words, and being like them they each have a definition which simply identifies what that thing is different from other things. But this definition also tells us in what ways this thing is like other things. These universal qualities which all things share in different proportions and combinations, like hot, hard, fluid, coarse, smooth, big, light, empty, inside, curved, tense, etc. are in analogy to spiritual things which have no material being. These qualities link heaven and earth, the material and spiritual by meaning. These universal qualities are the spiritual forms that compose our intellectual experiences. God uses material things like mountains, rivers, wells, birds, lions, right hands, etc. to create for us poetic analogies of invisible, intellectual things in the context of the metaphysical story He is embedding in a temporal story. Every man uses analogy in his everyday conversation without even thinking about I: "She ran like the wind!" Who cannot understand this? It is not difficult to understand what a mountain may mean spiritually. A mountain is a great heap of matter that is immovable. It must be climbed; it is that part of earth which most nearly reaches heaven, it is robed in clouds which reflect the sun, and shines white in its icy summits. From its heights one can see great distances below. What is this like in the intellectual universe if the matter that composes this spiritual mountain is idealogical? You may describe this one way and I another. You may bring out certain aspects and I others. But all of these things will complement each other if they are true to mountain and true to the context and true to the analogy of the Faith. (That is, if they do not present contradictions to the Faith.) This is not too hard. God does not intend to communicate just to brilliant people or to the most holy among us. Understanding is not the reward of sanctification but the means of it. The key thing for us to do is that in reading a passage, when one runs upon an image not immediately comprehended, we must stop and address ourselves to the Author of this passage Himself, who is omniscient and listening. We simply ask Him what it means. He will show us the meaning interiorly, or He how to think about it, or He will build in us the ground work that will make it possible for us to comprehend it. Let us add to that a little patience and a whole hearted expectation. And then, just stop and think about the meaning of the word. Take it apart. Define it and identify those qualities which may be analogous to invisible things. Begin to build for that passage a spiritual edifice of meaning. This is sooooooo interesting and rewarding. Go for it!
Listening for the second time. Slave of duality at 35min mark is fascinating. Great podcast.
My pastor, who was Pentecostal and went to a Catholic school while growing up, told me that Kingship is the best form of government. And as I’ve read, Thomas Aquinas said the same thing
Aquinas says kingship is the best form of government. It’s opposite, tyranny, is the worst form. And tyranny is always a possibility in a fallen world.
I love this idea of patterns in reality. John Vervaeke has his four types of knowing, we have modified this to include the Parabolic way of knowing (which was first put forth by Mary Kochan) where we use the parabolic to represent the patterns that we know of or see or sense in the world. Invariant patterns are those which are exemplified by the church because they most represrent reality through time and space. I talked to Karen Wong about this on her Meaning Code channel and did a 2 hour talk with Paul Vanderklay about these concepts, I think that what is being done when talking about symbols is just speaking of the parabolic way of knowing the world - those connections which we need to properly participate (which allows co-creation) with each other, nature and the ineffable.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Awesome!
Great! Thanks!
The true moment of harmony and love... is like eternity
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
A total truth-bomb about truly righteous hierarchy.
Yes
We natural
Pull apart
What God keeps together
Amazing words 🤔
Good video.
Nice.
Thank you
Our account to God demonstrates we are individuals first
this is epic
Word
Spirit
🦅
Thanks
I'm going to sleep 💤😴
This is awesome 😎
I might return
Democracy, as we know it, functions as a way for autocrats to enforce their will against the public while loudly proclaiming that the people asked for it.
Precisely. We do not really select the leaders but the illusion that we voted for them gives them the right to say we voted for them therefore we MUST support them.
I started listening to Jonathan Pageau following his very recent interview with Dr Jordan Peterson and found him fascinating. Glen Scrivener shows his tremendous in depth knowledge but refrains from overpowering the interview. My first introduction to the symbolism of scripture was a lecture through Prof F F Bruce on the meaning of the material used to build the Temple described in Leviticus and Jonathan grasps this excitement. I am still examining what the Risen Christ means and I note Jonathan had a different side to that meaning, whereas in his interview with Dr Jordan hit at the meaning when he considered Christ is the touching together of the Narrative and the Objective.
As a Lutheran the way Johnathan explains theosis...I would say most Christians describe this aspect of knowing Christ. It seems that Orthodoxy just has more language for it.
Jonathan.. amazing person with an amazing insight into truth...however tainted by the political narrative
Yes
Moments of light
Yes
Has access to this light
Of man ....
.....
🤔....
That's really interesting...the lack of hierarchy in society today, that is.
I've actually thought about the fact that when I read my Bible and see "king" or "lord," I know for certain that I don't have a good concept of those words.
fascinating
I just found you. Thought provoking in being called to participate in the divine.
This is interesting. I’m a christian voluntaryist (some might refer to my position as free market anarchism). One of the big differences between my view and an anarcho-communist is that I affirm hierarchy as a fact, but I think this hierarchy requires the amen, that is to say I believe these hierarchies need to be entered into voluntarily. States don’t allow for the amen; they are coercive and violent by nature.
This is how I summarize this point to my Sunday School class..
Jesus said...dont desire to be called Father or rabbi
Because there is only 1 father in heaven..
So we all submit to one another under Christ.
However like Ephesians 5 on marriage roles..we all have different roles such as teacher and generals for order
Amen
Jonathan, have you seen the recent show the Chosen? It does such a great job of portraying how Jesus changed the lives of people around him. The best adaptation of the gospel I've seen, and done in an intentional and creative way. Season 2 is coming out this year! I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the show in a video sometime.
Jonathan Pageau's symbolic account of the Christian story has brought me closer than anything else to the point of conversion. It really does seem like a maximally meaningful story which can contain all of reality inside itself. I'm having trouble reconciling this with the rational part of me that notices that the doctrines of Christianity and the interpretations of the story have developed over centuries and seem to have forced historical claims to be made which go against the historical evidence.
it's still a bit enigmatic that all that history led up to this , how can this bit found the maximally great story ?
Re: Hierarchy. In a discussion on C S Lewis, Doug Wilson and co noted how the author valued Dante's insight into such structure when 'viewed' from above, taking on an altogether different role. Very useful, and affirming of Tom's arguements.
Brilliant talk!
Thanks Morten
At 58:22 “hey Santa… why don’t you give me eeeeverything on my Christmas list…. And! come down the chimney and while i am awake, and take off your coat?”
Cool intro!
If no death
No life
Seed
I die with Christ
Then I'm risen
If someone comes to Christ because of a miracle it will be a miracle if they stay. Faith and belief first then the miracles will be seen everyday
I slightly disagree--I've heard many stories of people who came to know Jesus only because of miracles, answered prayers, either of them or their family members, and that one miracle changed their life and they chose to devote their life to God because of it.
But I do agree that staying consistent in faith and belief is necessary in order to keep a relationship with God.
This I think more than any other video has helped me understand what Jonathan is going on about. Very good.
Great to hear.
I find a fair number of people in the comments needed much more detailed explanations of how to understand Jonathan's words. He can be hard to comprehend.
I say to those, listen to more of Jonathan's work & you will get a chance to fill in what you have missed on the first listen.
My analysis of the "left-right" divide is that the "right" claims positively to be the good that was of the past, whereas the "left" claims negatively to not be the bad that was of the past. Analysis of "what is" or "will be" is inevitably analysis of what was from the perspective of mankind. My analysis seems to explain the tradition/liberation pattern played-out within the left/right dialectic. I don't see Jonathan's analysis and mine being necessarily distinct if we see the impetus of such a divide as being Neo-Platonism or a sort of emanationistic Gnosticism.
We know that the spirit of God is present with his Word. And what are words but symbols
Missed opportunity to ask him how Santa Claus exists or why there is no such thing as literal...😉 Love the way that guy's mind works...