A question I can't get an answer to is. How does someone living in a ten-story block of flats, charge an EV without having to use a high price charging station miles from home?
Probably the way I do. Which is while making groceries. Funnily enough, it costs less per kWh than I pay for the electricity for my apartment. Others would charge at work. Basically, you do not "go charge an EV". You charge it opportunistically. That's how the charging infrastructure needs to be designed and built. Obviously, we're not there yet and it will take years to get there. For now, EVs are mostly for people living in homes, owning a garage or living in a place with convenient charging infrastructure. Which is expected. Rome was not built in a day.
I actually know the answer to this one. There is government money available for conversion of street lamps to provide power, 3 to 7kw, for on street charging.
Ah but those with a large designer pad are going to be the only ones driving and flying of course. There simply are not the materials or the power for the plebs to drive and they know it. The plug will be pulled soon and the people will stuck in their 15 minute neighbourhood.
@@charlessmith2469 - or cold winter road conditions like last winter in the USA when so very many died in EVs as the cold killed their batteries and the froze to death stranded on the highway.
Just spent 2 weeks in Norway. People sitting in their EVs in the public carpark at 10pm at night charging them up before they can go home to their families. EVs are just soooo convenient
@@Sp_75-76 Not exactly. There were massive subsidies and incentives to switch to an EV in Norway, but on top of that they made it a lot more difficult and expensive to own a petrol car, to the point where the UK's ULEZ zones look like Disneyland compared to what they've done in Norway; road tolls, increased parking fees and so on. Pushed is probably a better word than forced, but it's not far off.
How to destroy the value of a possibly rare classic car in a very expensive manner . How to make a VW beetle even more of a money pit . Just a fad that in the not too distant future will backfire. Especially when their forced into higher electricity charge costs , pay per mile whatever your in fiasco . No doubt special checks for converted vehicles won’t be far off too .
Just perhaps they prefer an EV and find it suits them and can see the benefits of waking up every morning with a full tank of very cheap fuel (I am taking about electricity by the way)
@@Sp_75-76 it’s only cheap fuel if you use solar to charge it yourself . Then we have the pay per mile tax that’s soon to be introduced. Fair play if they want to sink a pile of money into an EV but there does seem to be a ridiculous trend to spoil many a classic by tastelessly pimping up an old classic with tat from Halfords , china and Micky mouse bling from the states . Period mods on classics especially rare models
I watched that rubbish. I called the three of them fanatics. What a bunch of virtue signalling losers. Geoff you and the McMaster have pointed out the real life depreciation currently on EVs.
Them and their fans are completely unreasonable, buy an EV or you're planet destroying scum. They also love to post suspiciously criticism free reviews of domestic Chinese brands.
Absolutely brilliant vid Geoff, and many points very well put. The most environmentally friendly car is an existing vehical in excellent condition being continually serviced and properly maintained. That way, you don`t have the environmental impact of a new car, and just keep driving the thing replacing parts when they wear out. So long as the bodywork stays in good condition, without rusting, it would be far more environmentally friendly to just replace worn parts, and not the whole car. 3 years ago, i bought a Mazda 6 diesel. It does on long motorway journeys 65mpg, and over 45mpg around town. It has considerably less than 30,000 miles on it, It was 9 months old when i bought it, and is now just under 4 years old. I do around 7-8,000 miles per year, so around 10 tankfulls of diesel. With that amount of mileage every year, if the engine does 200,000 miles, it will outlast me. So long as i can keep getting spares for it, i`l keep it for what will likely be the rest of my driving life. I paid just under £20,000 for it, which if i DID do 200,000 miles in it, would equate to 10p per mile in car purchase value, plus running costs, and being diesel, not only can i do theoretically in excess of 700 miles per tankful, at around £70 for a tankful that`s a rough estimate of 10p per mile in fuel costs. I will be keeping my diesel for as long as i can, and at 65 years old, i doubt i will need to buy another car. Now that`s what i call environmentally friendly.
Best way - the only people who buy my vehicles when I've finished with them are the breakers, from whom I've usually bought a bunch of spares to keep them going. Not quite bangernomics as I make sure everything is well serviced and reliable
Keeping ICE cars long term and maintaining them well used to be the best way to maximise the life of an ICE vehicle and make the most of the embedded emissions from manufacture. The issue is the emissions of just burning the fuel (excluding ICE manufacture emissions) over an ICE cars lifetime are significantly more than the emissions of making and driving an EV for 200k ICE cars emissions are even worse if you include the emissions of extracting, refining and transporting the fuel from the ground into your tank.
@@Jamessansome How does that compare with the environmental impact of making 2 or 3 EVs and their batteries to last the same time as one well maintained ICE car, and the emissions from coal and gas power plants that need to be run to charge said EVs in many countries. Then there is the environmental cost of making more wind and solar charging infrastructure which appears to have a lifespan of around 25 to 30 years so we can support the growing numbers of EVs on the road. I'd like to see a proper study on that.
@@Stambo59 then google for that study. It's been done, EVs last a lot longer than 200k miles, and the batteries have second life use as stationary storage, or get 99% recycled into new batteries - the info is out there, keeping an ICE car going is not better.
I work in the car industry in Australia (as in a regional office of a global European company) that deals with rental cars. The majors take very few EV’s. They say because no one wants to rent them here. No one wants to hire and then on trips deal with the bother with long charge times, downloading apps and registering credit cards or find an available charger and waste their holiday time when they can drive to a petrol station with no hassle and fill up and be off sightseeing.
Charge times are not long. You have to stop for a pee, crap or bite to eat. You should not need an app. Here in the UK all new chargers must provide contactless payment.
@@rogerphelps9939 oh please. ‘Not long’. Again a total gloss over. Guess what: when I refuel I DON’T have to have contrived stops to pee have a break etc. nor do I have to cross fingers theirs an available charger. No one sits at petrol pump for 20 minutes to an hour while they wander off to do other stuff. Oh and if I do need a break I take it where ‘I’ want down the road at a cafe I actually want to go to, or a park I want to sit at. Not in a service area where the charger is.
@@xr6lad Wrong. My Enyaq has 350 miles range. I can assure you that even after well under half that it is time for a break. You are being criminally irresponsible if you do not take a break. No exceptions.
And another thing: The fire that engulfed Sebastian Loeb's Rally Cross team's cars at the week end was attended by 9 fire engines. They were still in the transporter truck at the Lydden circuit when the fire started. Fortunately the fire was contained in the tightly packed paddock and the rest of the week end's races were able to continue, but the World Rally Cross round was scratched.
It wasn't caused by an EV. The luddites have gone rather quiet about the Luton Airport fire that was started by a, wait for it - diesel, to their immense disappointment.
Three words, "Follow the money". I would bet the "3 Stooges" are some way invested in the EV market. It's more about control than it is the environment.
Their job depends on pushing the EV myth. They get the cars for free but give us the impression that they paid for it with their own money 💰 Only a fraction of people will own an EV. The rest of us will lease or walk.
Belgium too. EV sales are up and the media calls that a success. However, about 95% of sales are company cars. After about 3 years or 100.000 km (usually) those cars are dumped on the second hand market and are replaced by new cars. In January 2023 23% of employees in Belgium have a company car, of which 3.2% electric, 9.9% hybrid, 28.6% petrol, 57.8% diesel. Those percentages could change rapidly since ev’s are subsidised for companies, and since COVID their was a very long wait time due to lack of computer chips. (The number of company cars has more than doubled in the last 15 years.)
In Canada and the US, you can get up to (sometimes more) $7,500 off the purchase price for EVs up to $70,000 purchase price. Then, you use the roads that are paid for through gasoline taxes, use of HOV lanes even if you’re alone and on, and on.
@@jph8291 Gasoline does not pay for roads in Canada, the subsidy for EVs comes from the reduced healthcare cost of not burning gasoline or diesel. Healthcare is paid from taxes, so, not causing or exacerbating respiratory illnesses saves the tax payer money, which can be used to encourage zero tailpipe vehicles. It's a revenue neutral exchange. Gasoline taxes pay for the damage from the CO2 emissions and in cities for subsidizing transit, effectively a personal vehicle congestion charge. In my opinion, transit subsidy should also be levied on EVs, likely via insurance renewals. Roads are paid from property and other taxes, and if you follow the narrative that only rich people can afford EVs, they have already paid more for the roads than gasoline drivers.
Governments have been subsidising the fossil fuel industry since the year dot and are still at it. EVs have a lot of catching up to do to get anywhere near the handouts that fossil fuels have had.
I just had to get a "newcar", 2008 fiesta. After my 206 finally gave up the ghost, after 10 years of service. This was the mother in laws car, which she got new. Let's keep old cars alive.
Apparently 1.6 million people lease cars in the UK rather than buy. Not the best model for sustainable motoring and the average age cars are scrapped is just 14 years.
@matinflynn795 Another 2 years, and it will qualify as a classic and be VED free. However, it will still go on pouring out almost 3 tonnes of CO2e every 10k miles. Just sayin'
I can't help but feel that if a train was delayed 2 hours + on every long journey people would only ever do a couple of journeys before they looked at other options, I guess the same will be true of EVs.
answered your own question there infrastucture if your train never received the backing/government subsidies then they would be in the same shit state as the ev
@@eddiereed5025 LOL Thank God I no longer have to commute to work by train. Conditions were awful 10 years ago, and today the trains are still shit, unreliable and also cripplingly expensive. If people are still opting for trains over EVs then one has to ask why. The one thing that government is good at is wasting taxpayers' money. Subsidies are only mechanisms to put money in pockets of "the right people." Very little benefit accrues to the general public.
What about you take the train to work every day and it's perfect, it fact, better than perfect. It's quiet, fast, cheap and very reliable. But for say 3 days a year you are delayed by two hours. I bet you'd still keep taking the train. ^^ THIS is really the situation with BEVs (ive owned and driven one for 8 years). For the vast majority of the time given my useage case, they are indeed, quiet, fast, cheap and convient. And yes a few times a year they are not. But because the number of times they are not convient is by far outweighed by the times they are, i'll keep driving a BEV. It's also worth noting that pretty much anyone who buys a new BEV can of course afford a slightly cheaper equivalent NEW ICE. The fact they don't buy that cheaper cars should tell you something!
On the flip side of that can we ask why the climate crisis lobby have gone into overdrive lately? It’s honestly like they are losing a debate and becoming a screaming child.
I think the grid problem is sinking in more to people now after the big rises in utility bills in the last 15 months . The gas price has come down but electricity and gas bills are still twice as high as 2019.They will have to go up a lot more
I know a guy who took his family on holiday using their Nissan Leaf. The whole exercise was a disaster, the driver suffered major range anxiety the whole time. They had to recharge about three times for every one fill you'd have to do with a regular petrol car of the same size.
@@brushlessmotoring I was speaking to someone who had travelled by Tesla from Sheffield to Cornwall. It took ten hours as opposed to seven in a fossil fuelled car. They arrived with a nearly flat battery too. The UK doesn't have the right charging network so it's pointless to behave as if it does, or will do in the foreseeable future. Last Christmas holidays there were queues of up to eight hours at the chargers near Exeter.
Some of this anti EV sentiment will simply be resentment from people who want to own EV's and get that superior feeling deep inside but simply cannot afford it so they are happy to rubbish EV's. Coincidently they are also right ... but for the wrong reasons.
Quentin wilson is a complete mug & hes trying to stay relevant, Nobody has paid him any attention as a motoring journo for years & hes trying his best to jump in with the ev manufacturers
@@ruttspeed I think in his early days, he tried to sound like Clarkson, and has carried on from there. He can't talk like that in real life. Complete knob
@@esm7708 With the hundreds of videos debunking the bullshit and others highlighting the current bombing of secondhand EV values we don't really NEED to argue with you. We just sit and giggle at the fact you believe the EV nonsense just as you probably believed Covid came from a wet market.
Car parks and bridges under threat from heavy EVs? Range Rover 2300kg, BMW X5 2300kg, Volvo XC90 2100kg, Tesla Model Y 1900kg. Which ones should we ban from car parks?
Actually Geoff, one of the prevailing thoughts on Fully Charged is Stop Burning Stuff. That encompasses - don’t have a car, cycle, walk. Recycle reuse. Find a way to do what you need by burning less. Nothing in life is perfect, people still need to get to work, kids to school, economies to plod on. But the though is to it by burning less stuff. This comes up in quite a lot of Fully Charged content.
Something seems to have been missed in the whole EV debacle, the negative effect on jobs and businesses. If the engine or gearbox in your ICE car becomes unusable for one reason or another, you can replace it with either a new, part used from salvage or refurbished item. If your EV battery or drive motors pack up, the cost of replacement will mean it's as cheap to just get another car......another EV that's produced a vast amount of emissions during its production. Then there's the whole aftermarket car modification and tuning industry that supply, fit and maintain the engine, gearbox, suspension mods that are so popular amongst 'petrolheads'. There's also the huge car parts industry that supplies all the parts used by local independent garages and the DIYer who does their servicing at home.
In reality…. US strong tornadoes have been DECREASING for 60 years (see NOAA data). Hurricanes and Typhoons have been STEADY for 45 years (see Dr Ryan Maue data). Heatwaves over 100 f have been DECREASING since the 1930s (see NOAA data). N Hemisphere snow extent has been INCREASING for 50 years. (see Rutgers snow-lab). Polar bear numbers have been increasing for 60 years. (see DR Sue Crockford data:) S Hemisphere sea-ice extent was INCREASING for 40 years, before a storm in 2017. (and extent is climbing back up again) (see NSIDC on climate4you) Ralph.
A good point to demonstrate the superiority of an electric drive train, illustrating how we accept waste as part of our everyday lives, as if wasting £1 per litre of fuel isn't bad enough. 😊
The consumer ultimately is the EVs biggest critic. The business model so far is to use bureaucrats and the law to force people to buy an over priced product. I dont care to an extent how "good" or "moral" and EV car is per se, I am not going to make a bad personal decision to have one. It must provide utility at the rate I can and will afford.
As I’ve said I am 56. I can’t remember any tech that if it was evidently good the public would rush it and what came before simply disappear. Mobile phones, CD’s, colour tv, video recorders etc. and they all did it simpley with consumer demands and no need for government rebates, mandates, taxpayer supported infrastructure upgrades, Punitive taxes on ICEs etc. until we come to EV’s. So much better (supposedly) and the future (supposedly) yet e we need all that.
Well, EV sales are growing exponentially, much of that via word of mouth and repeat trade. So for a lot of people, they work. Not everybody, but then what car is for everybody? There have always been big posh cars, little cheap cars, sporty cars, sensible cars etc. EV's are just part of the mix, but it's an increasing share. Can you show me a single person that has been forced to buy one? Have you considered that actually, for a lot of people an EV is perfect for them (as mine is for me)?
There are thousands that can no longer afford to run their little cars or big cars anymore thanks to Ulez charges … or did one forget . As for resale value I’m sure that losing 40% of the cost of a new EV isn’t for everyone . Some of us think about that . Or is it just the sensible ones . “A fool and his money are easily parted “ Go figure .
@@rusty911s2If EVs aren't for everybody, then they're only for somebody. And those somebodies are statistically rich people who are buying EVs as a second or third vehicle, which further compromises the ability to amortize their embodied carbon and save carbon after the initial carbon debt is paid off.
Here's a thought. Has the govt realised or started listening to the right people and realised their plans are unobtainable? Now they need to sway the people in a different direction so they can listen and react by not banning ice vehicles.
When temperatures regularly exceed 40 degrees, even in the UK, you will become extremely keen to ditch your ICE. The government must stick to its guns and ignore short termists like you.
Excellent summary and you are right to highlight the 'Undeniables' as many people are blindly walking in to buying an EV 'just because it is fashionable to do so.' Thanks for presenting the other side of the EV argument.
So predictable. I LOVE the way they attack any criticism or negative response and fail spectacularly to acknowledge all the rather large failures of the EV. They will never acknowledge their own faults and it doesn't surprise me that they carry on like they do because they are so bought up by the agenda and those financing it. Great video Geoff
I had an electric remote control car, I soon changed it for a glow fuel one as I was sick of running out of battery power and having to wait hours to recharge.....
We went to the Morgan factory last year, fantastic tour around the factory, on the tour my husband mentioned if they got a electric model as he noticed a grey car tucked away on the side, to which the tour guide showed him and a few others around the electric vehicle a little bit, looked ok and asked if it will be released in near future, he replied the main problem being the supply of parts the biggest problem, just saying what he said.
I've driven 38k miles in under 3 years in an EV. Why would I lower my standards and use an ICE as a 'first' car? Apart from the electricity, which is 7.5p per kWh and takes me 4 miles, the only other expense has been screenwash fluid.
So all I needed to do to climb the social ladder from working class was get an EV. Whoa! I’ll also need to let the bank know. I drive EV mate, my credit is good.
@@jeremyradford5103 It may only cost you 7.5p/kWh to charge your car at home but the rest of your household electricity will be costing you almost double.
great stuff keep exposing the utter rubbish these idiots spout Geoff - the questions you put forwrad that they need to answer are just briiiant and I’d like to see them do it - dont think that’s going to happen!
So would I. Armchair experts who have never owned an EV having to provide a source for all the misinformation they spout up against those with facts. I'll get the popcorn.
Most of Geoff's questions have already been answered. It would be interesting to hear responses from Fully Charged. The idea behind the Fact - Check Pushback video is to do just that. Check what the real stats and what is untrue. E.G. the break even emissions mileage for an EV is now 12k but some still think it's 50/60/70k.
The questions raised are fair enough but you also need to do the same for ICE cars. That's the issue with both sides of the debate. This information is already out there but ICE owners only want to look at the negatives of EVs and don't look at the negatives of the old ICE cars. There's ignorance on both sides of the story.
@gibroon4418 I would have to disagree. EV owners on here either have, or have had an ICE car. The ignorance is mostly with ICE owners who have never owned an EV.
@@oneeyedgirl617 Yep, everyone that drives electric have generally also driven a petrol or diesel for most of their life, they have the experience of both, the papers like to publish articles from 1 or 2 people that tried electric but didn't like it but many go electric and swear to never to back, why don't they ever ask them why they will never go back? The answer is they don't care what they have to say because it doesn't align with what they are trying to push. Its all the same rags though like The Mail, The SUN, The Telegraph etc. There was a proposal a while back about setting guidelines and increasing reliability of charging operator etc, why didn't any of these outlets report on that, simple it wasn't negative.
The knives are out Geoff because they realise their fervent mantra about how EV’s are the panacea of the motoring world are somewhat flawed and can’t accept that fact. Backed into a corner and with credibility and much to lose they’re playing the blame game.
The non mainstream media that you are on about is just unsubstantiated urban myth stoked up by fossil fuel interests. I suggest you listen to climatologists and they will put you straight.
I have just seen a report on main stream media about a woman who lost 22000 on her new EV because it got flooded. THIS WAS DESPITE THE FACT THAT a. She put in her RUclips article that it wasn’t an EV b. You can’t buy a new EV for 20000 c. The car in the picture was clearly a NON EV d. The number plate showed it was not a new car Yet this article was picked up by the main media- quite a number, and became another example of the desperate crap being spread about
A well thought out breakdown of the current argument for EV's. The only logical outcome from which is the "Fully Charged Show" invite you to debate the questions you raise in a future episode. Now that would be groundbreaking coverage!
Why would any RUclips channel with 1 million subscribers and over 168 million views invite GBC for a discussion. What would they benefit from doing that?
Please make that happen. The thought of non EV armchair experts having to come up with sources and facts instead of Talk TV BS would be too good to miss.
But according What Car figures for JUNE 2023 the premise that no one wants an EV is wrong UK new car sales grew by 25.8% last month compared with the same period in 2022, official figures have revealed. In total, 177,266 new cars left showrooms during June. This marks an 11th consecutive month of growth following the semiconductor chip shortage, which had limited vehicle production since 2020. Plug-in hybrid sales grew by the biggest margin, with 12,770 joining the roads over the course of the month - 65.5% more than the year before. Sales of regular hybrids also increased significantly, from 14,978 last June to 20,991 in June 2023. Likewise, electric car sales increased by nearly two fifths(40%), to 31,700, but petrol models remain most popular with UK buyers: 98,894 (including mild hybrids) were sold in June, accounting for 55.8% of total new car sales. Only diesel-powered models were less popular this June than last; 12,911 diesel (and mild hybrid diesel) cars were sold, a 13.5% reduction on June 2022.
Actually EV experts do not recommend Fully Charged 80% charged is the preferred approach for extending battery life. They also recommend not allowing the battery to fall below 20% charge. So there you have it, you should only use 60% of your potential battery capacity (range)
EV batteries can be charged to 100% because there is a buffer on either end that the manufacturers build in which can't be gone into. When it says 100% charged, it isnt. When it says 0%, it isn't.
I own an EV and I must say I am delighted with it. I have not had any nightmare experiences. I bought it secondhand, so I avoided some of the depreciation problem. I plan to keep it for 10 years or more. I belong to a couple of social media EV groups and the people on there are mostly very happy with their cars. Some have had bad experiences, but they seem to be in the minority.
@@GeoffBuysCars I think the more interesting question is which EV's have you driven? I see tons of clickbait thumbnails, red meat to the petrol heads - and I get what you are doing - but what I don't see is you renting a Tesla (yeah, has to be a Tesla I'm afraid, for the charging network) and doing a 600 mile day trip in it, using the nav, charge when it needs it, report honestly about your experience, how much time doing 'rest stop business' vs. actually sitting twiddling your thumbs. So much confirmation bias going on the comment section, and so many misunderstood aspects of EVs - you could, if you wanted to, educate both your audience, and yourself, on what the realities are. EVs are not perfect, compromises do need to be made to keep it charged, but the emissions are not worse, keeping an ICE car going is not cleaner than getting an EV, and tailpipe emissions matter too.
I find Renaults recent advertisements somewhat telling where they have the tagline 'Remember how much you loved electric cars?' (a curious use of the past tense). In effect,the translation is 'We know you bought one before, got rid of it as soon as practicable and went back to petrol but,go on,please give them another try...our inventory is filling up fast with unsold EV's and we need to get shot of the things'.
Hi Geoff, this is absolutely true, not made up, my next door neighbour bought an EV, he ran it for a few months, and then realised it was costing as much as a petrol, but with all the inconvenience of having to stop and charge the damed thing on long journeys. So he's bought a petrol car now. and the EV, sits on his drive unable to sell it. The Morrell of this story is, don't buy an EV 😂😂
@@rogerphelps9939 Um....no they're not unless you have home charging, but the purchase/lease price cancels that out anyway. As for range, I get up to 450 miles from my diesel car and it takes me 5 minutes to fill up. I don't have to worry about setting off with a full tank and I don't have to plan my journey for refilling purposes regardless of where I go in the UK. No EV can do that.
EVs are rapidly reaching price parity with comparavle ICE cars. You do not drive for 450 miles or whatever non stop. You charge an EV when you are taking a break.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes, EV prices are falling because people don't want them. It doesn't work, mate. You people don't get it. I typically wouldn't be driving at speeds that would give me 450 miles from a tank anyway, so I could easily do a single trip on a full tank if I wanted to in many cases. But I don't want to stop at grotty, expensive service stations to potentially have to wait for a free charger that's working, not being able to leave my car so I don't miss my slot, spend up to an hour charging my car at inflated prices, buying their crap food and drink at inflated prices, or have to be there when it's finished charging because there is likely to be somebody else waiting to charge their car. I don't want to have to work out if I have enough power to get there. I want to drive in, fill up and go. It's that simple.
Ouch! I couldn't watch anymore of that charged show video than i had to. The guy on the left spoke more turd than the total thats ever been excreted from out my backside. An absolute clearly funded video from the pro EV camp. Great work as usual geoff. 👌
That would be Dan Caesar I suspect. A real Dell boy character but with a deeply unpleasant personality. Robert Llewelyn is just a gormless buffoon who will say anything as long as he is paid for it. Total hypocrite if you add up all of his air miles in the last few years for the Fully charged show !
IF you get 50 mpg, out of a car, and drive it, the average miles in one year, 7,500 over 10 years, 75,000 it will create about 16 tons of CO2, an average EV charged from renewables doing 75,000 miles would struggle to create 1 ton of CO2, to make an average ICE creates about 5 tons of CO2 and for an EV its about 9 tons.
Well said. 1, cobalt is mainly mined in DRC. 2, It is mined by children as young as 7 and the death rate is unacceptable. 3, Areas of the DRC and being devastated by mining. 4, The miners are paid dreadful wages and awful conditions 5, Cobalt is unrecyclable 6, If 35% of cars become battery powered , Every electricity substation in Britain MUST be upgraded. 7, Where are all the people who live in hi rise, terraced and houses without parking supposed to charge their vehicles? 8, Where are people without mains supposed to charge? 9, Farm vehicles that tow livestock trailers? 10, Affordable spare parts and maintenance? 11, vehicles Affordable to the less well off, Something nobody will discuss. Ask thosev3 that question 12, range and heater use in winter? Thats just a few
Cobalt mines dont exist. these are exiting copper mines and cobalt is a byproduct of existing mining. Luckily most EVs today are not built with cobalt, though your phone and other gadgets probably were. I trust you will throw these away in protest? Why is child labour an exclusively ev problem in this case anyway? There are many supply chains with abuses, this is globalisation at its best. Dont ask where 99% of your other comsumer goods come from. Imfastructure problems get better with time. Just because the grid is not capable now doesnt mean it will not adapt and grow with EV adoption. People that park in the street, will require an on street solution. That doesnt exist yet, but its still early days.
Maintenance is less than ICE. EV prices have plumetted and is much more affordable now. Winter? Batteries are warmed before use nowadays, pimiting the effects on the range. Modern evs also have heat pumps allowing heating very efficiently.
Wrtong. It is the idiot who runs this channel who is a condescending luddite and cannot understand the long term implications of continued use of ICEs.
Dear Geoff I looked in to Buying a EV. and did my homework before I even starting to Watch your channel and I Yeah, came to the same conclusion as you did and still do . and yes I will admit I am a petrol head by could not work out how come a new car of any description was good for the environment please keep doing what you are doing kind regards
@danmcadie2515 because I personally feel that something has to be done if not in my life time then at some time but not to feed the pockets of the people that have a Short term financial gain
"could not work out how come a new car of any description was good for the environment " Have a read of this: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062603/lifecycle-analysis-of-UK-road-vehicles.pdf The conclusions are pretty clear cut. If you don't agree with anything, let me know and i will try to explain further
Dans comment on 'They are so lean at the traffic lights compared to petrol diesel' is weak//.. emissons cannot be cherry picked when at a standstill to suit your top trump argument. I find his comments woeful. Thanks Geoff for the commentary. I managed about 10 minutes of Fully Charged drivel...Kudos for you getting to the end.
There are vintage electrics you're not taking into account. Nice driving position, easy access, single passenger seat but the mother of all boot space and all measured in milk bottles!
These people can’t debate Geoff , they just scream ,shout and cancel others who have a different opinion than their own. Great point about classic cars .
Once people have "made their minds up" about something - _anything_ - getting them to admit they're wrong is much more difficult than people realise, in fact often close to impossible. Mistaken beliefs often only die with the people holding them.
How very true. I'm not sure if Geoff is ready to rent a Tesla and do a road trip yet though, his cognitive biases are not open the possibility he may be wrong.
Going through your undeniables looks pretty good for EVs honestly. What I do find interesting is one of your latter points about long term ownership. We shouldn’t be buying new cars every three years. I’d add that the electrification of existing cars is an important subject - I’d like to electrify my t5 van. Re your very last point about the death of classic cars, not sure we can engineer how people feel about cars and worry about the future of classics! That’s bonkers, let the market do it’s thing.
My EV weighs nearly 2 tonnes, it’s ridiculously heavy yet I still get 4miles per kWh, around 1.7p per mile. Once it’s moving it wants to stay moving, Newton’s 1st law of motion.
No, because they are about three times as efficient. And they are not even that much heavier. For example, electric BMW 4 is 2065 to 2290 kg. Petrol version is 1695 to 1900 kg. Diesel version is 1780 to 1920 kg. That's the difference when the EV is not a bespoke electric car. A BMW SUV designed from the ground up to be an EV (the iX) weighs 0-10% more than a petrol/diesel SUV of the same class (the X5). I think people do not really realize how heavy the ICE cars have gotten in the last decade or two.
EV sales are only going up because Company Car fleets are now Electric based as they get huge tax breaks for doing so.I wonder how much my 1973 Austin 1100 will be worth come 2030?Add to that it will run on synthetic fuel its got to be a shit load more green than an EV.One question how clean are LPG fuelled cars?
Absolutely, plus other schemes to make them more attrractive, including motability, which is ine of the main reasons there is an increasing issue with residual values / depreciation - second hand demand is much lower as the tax perks do not apply and the cars have to stand alone on their merits / costs.
Wrong. ICEs are only 25% efficient so every mile that you drive will use around 4 times the primary energy used by an EV. Furthermore synthetic fuels are going to be extremely expensive. LPG is a bit better than petrol but still emits a lot of CO2. If the LPG were used in a power station the electricity would take an EV about 4 times further than an ICE.
Me and SO had a car each (2019 Ibiza, 2017 Fabia, both 1.0TSi), decided we only needed one car between us. Looked at EVs, did lots of Excel maths and ended up trading the two small petrol cars that did 50mpg for one 2019 diesel SUV (Hyundai Tuscon) that does 50mpg. One of the petrol cars at 3 years old sold for more than I bought it new - small petrol cars have appreciated something mad. The car buying public can't get them fast enough.
In the US Ford is waking up to the fact that their electric truck and car are flops, there is 100 day supply of pickups right now, no 100,000 order backlog. People watching videos online have seen they don’t perform like a real truck. I’m halfway with you, I have a 17 year old Cummins diesel truck with low miles and a 1 1/2 year old Corolla cross we bought new to drive forever. I like not thinking about range or the other nonsense. Love the channel of reality.
Good for you Geoff!!! About time someone knowledgeable show the actual shortcomings of moving exclusively to EVs will result in. Amazing that so many of those cheerleading us into an electric vehicle future, all seem to ignore or overlook , known problems with such a misguided policy. I am glad you are making us aware of the many shortcomings that electric vehicles, are already experiencing. Keep up the good work, and keep informing us of the truth.
The market will sort the problem, EV cars are great to use for some people like just popping to shops once a day, but using them for long journey's maybe a petrol/diesel maybe better filling times and finding filling places also the EV reduced range during winter, and possibly in hot weather with aircon running. I am sure if EV cars are better than petrol/diesel then EV will become the norm. but batteries are expensive, and in accidents and so forth those prices kill the car, and adversely affects secondhand sales. let the market decide buyers will make the correct choice
@Lookup2Wakeup I believe that there is a penalty on ICE cars after 2024. In its EV sales mandate consultation document, the UK Government said that it had reached a provisional fine of £15,000 per internal combustion engine (ICE) car sold - and £18,000 per commercial vehicle - after determining that the fine should meet three criteria. Just a small Nudge of course the UK government wants to reduce choice And The UK government vowed today 25/07/2023 to stick to its ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 in an attempt to reassure businesses and investors in the electric vehicle industry after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak had appeared to waver on the policy in recent days.
@Lookup2Wakeup no the fines are increasing each year see post below they have to reach those targets on EV sales otherwise they get fined for each ICE sold
That's changing fast: we have about a million EVs on UK roads, and garages are realising that if they can't deal with them, they will lose a lot of business. The numbers of EVs on the road will increase by 500,000 in 2023, and more with each passing year.
Fully Charged has a fundamental vested interest in casting aspersions on those who question the political push towards EVs. If any RUclips Channel is to be accused of misinformation on the matter of EVs, Fully Charged should be the first to be questioned.
Just A FACT for you, I have had personal experience of a Tesla model S Plaid, it chewed through 3 sets of tyres in 30k, never ever got the promised range and I tried to drive it like a Nun!! But worst of all, after just 42k the battery suddenly lost its performance bringing range down to 40 miles!!
I wasn't a fan of electric cars anyway, but the push from the Government to get people in them is enough for me to absolutely detest them. Plus I couldn't drive a car that has no engine sound. HA Gayyyyyeeeee
It's all a bit bizarre, as LEZ increases (coming to a town near you) I DON'T want to change my car (I need my diesel Audi to tow stuff) and yet I am being forced to change my car because paying £30 to go into Glasgow doesn't really make sense. I bought my car because it made sense (economically, large, and powerful enough to tow things) Brilliant debate and your "Undeniables" are brilliant.
Good video man! I hate EV's, just because of this scam... "it's the future" ... 😂 Those advertisings ... man .. all happy and not even related to driving, but very happy. 😅 We still fly ... we still build huge Cruise ships ... Where is the infrastructure to use busses more / trains more / cycle more / walk more. We need less mega shopping malls, but more small buisiness in the subburbs.
Excellent video! I'm so glad someone has put these questions publicly like this. I have previously commented about the infrastructure and where the electricity actually comes from. The electrical infrastructure is simply not capable of supporting everyone using EVs, especially alongside the massive expansion in electrical and electronic gadgets prevalent in society today. I hate the idea of nuclear energy because of the operating hazards and toxic waste material, yet people claim it is a 'clean' way to produce electricity. In a nutshell based on just these two parameters, I do not want to own a vehicle that simply putting energy in to be able to use it could put the lights out in the local street or area (we've already one phase in our street fail and houses go dark), nor do I ever want to own a vehicle (or anything else for that matter) that produces a highly toxic radioactive waste product which would be the case if the electricity came from nuclear power.
"The electrical infrastructure is simply not capable of supporting everyone using EVs" and I think you will find that in 1920, there weren't enough filling stations to support 30 million ICE cars. But we scaled up to deal with ICE cars, and we are scaling up to deal with EVs. It won't be electric cars that will cause the strain on the grid (with bidirectional charging, they will actually help), it will be replacing gas boilers with heat pumps - but we're scaling up for that too, and the phasing out of ICEs and gas boiler will take decades.
@@simhedgesrex7097 You're not comparing like with like. It will be electric cars that cause a problem for the grid because of the way take power. People will most likely put their cars on charge like, for example, their phones - at the same time and whether it needs charging or not. This is an impossible situation for the grid because power stations cannot simply be turned on and off. Heat pumps are actually much less of an issue for grid as the energy use is spread out and much lower compared with an EV charger, especially a fast charger. Local power distribution is already failing due to the increased load put on it. My own street recently had a connection burn out. The point is the whole electrical infrastructure was never designed for this kind of loading. There will always be an electrical bottleneck somewhere, that will fail. I can remember from years ago the lights dimming intermittently as people came home at different times in an evening. I do not want to go back to those times. Some areas are very old. For example, some houses are still on a 40 Amp meter (approximately 9.2KW). Where these are replaced with an 80 or 100 Amp meter (18.4 or 23KW respectively), this already puts over twice the original maximum load on the local infrastructure. Where is this 'pot of gold' that will pay to replace our national electrical distribution? This country is heavily in debt. Bills need paying and people are already struggling to pay them. How will they pay more if companies put increase charges to fund 'improvements' to electrical system because of those with the fortune to be able to afford an EV in the first place. It would be yet more taxing of the poor to fund the lifestyle of the rich. There is a various web pages that show the current state of the national grid and continuously update. It makes for interesting viewing.
Why the push to electricity everywhere? Meters, heating, cars and banks? Who decided that and why? Who is asking the people for their opinions? Any idea how all of this will work if we have a massive power out or cyber attack ?? 🧐
"you'll get a job anywere" er really? I actually have a job vacancy right now to work for a major european OEM in their "future technoogies group" and sorry, but funnily enough they don't want random "experts from you-tube" they actually want a proven career experience...... Geoff is more than welcome to apply though and see how he gets on in the selection process!
Geoff please visit the plant on Iceland that produce petrol from renewable energy. This is in so much better in so many ways. Cars that run on batteries makes no sense at all.
When Geoff mentioned renting a vehicle, my mind immediately went to the words published by the World Economic Forum: "you will own nothing and be happy". I have already seen an advertising feature for Volvo cars, encouraging people to lease a car from them, rather than buy one. Is this the way we are headed, in order to fulfil Herr Schwab's prediction? This connection jumped into my head when I heard renting cars. We already have that - it's called car hire. One can now see how the dots are beginning to join together in the EV plan!!! Just like climate emergency and all the other nonsense we have endured over the last few decades, it is arrant nonsense and not to be entertained at any cost. All these ideas are massive scams, which if accepted and normalised, will cost humanity their liberty.
Same as an ICE except that the battery gets re-used for home/grid storage, and there are fewer parts that need recycling otherwise (because EVs are not as complex as ICEs).
@@simhedgesrex7097 thanks. Good to read although it flies in the face of many photos of EVs sitting in fields, neglected & what folk get charged to replace their car batteries because "they are good for nothing" so no residual value yet
A question I can't get an answer to is. How does someone living in a ten-story block of flats, charge an EV without having to use a high price charging station miles from home?
Probably the way I do. Which is while making groceries. Funnily enough, it costs less per kWh than I pay for the electricity for my apartment.
Others would charge at work.
Basically, you do not "go charge an EV". You charge it opportunistically. That's how the charging infrastructure needs to be designed and built.
Obviously, we're not there yet and it will take years to get there.
For now, EVs are mostly for people living in homes, owning a garage or living in a place with convenient charging infrastructure. Which is expected. Rome was not built in a day.
@@Astrotripper2000 EV's cheaper to charge than household electricity that is wrong
You don’t. The idea is you don’t have a car.
I actually know the answer to this one. There is government money available for conversion of street lamps to provide power, 3 to 7kw, for on street charging.
@@Astrotripper2000You obviously have the shopping habits of a bored housewife, I'm in and out of the supermarket in under 10 mins.
They have been paid considerable money to go along with the scam
I don't know about others but there's certainly been a lot of very obvious paid reviews from chinese domestic brands on their channel.
Look back at the vax bs they promoted.
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In the beginning it was a good show , fun too.
Now it is a advertisement channel
Prove it!
I want to see an electric car ad where the user gets home and has on street parking, not a designer pad with a big driveway
Ah but those with a large designer pad are going to be the only ones driving and flying of course. There simply are not the materials or the power for the plebs to drive and they know it. The plug will be pulled soon and the people will stuck in their 15 minute neighbourhood.
Haha stop all those car ads where there’s completely empty roads and you can always park right outside your destination!
@@charlessmith2469 - or cold winter road conditions like last winter in the USA when so very many died in EVs as the cold killed their batteries and the froze to death stranded on the highway.
Why would they advertise expensive electric cars to poor people who can't afford them
@@Bobo-ox7fj I suspect not....
Just spent 2 weeks in Norway. People sitting in their EVs in the public carpark at 10pm at night charging them up before they can go home to their families. EVs are just soooo convenient
they turn a lot of them off at midnight.
How about giving up the EV for a bicycle????
but they haven’t been forced to buy their EV’s so they are obviously happy with their situation , it is only from your perspective that it is an issue
That is an atypical experience. Things are changing for the better all the time. Anyway Norway is leading the world in EV adoption.
@@Sp_75-76 Not exactly. There were massive subsidies and incentives to switch to an EV in Norway, but on top of that they made it a lot more difficult and expensive to own a petrol car, to the point where the UK's ULEZ zones look like Disneyland compared to what they've done in Norway; road tolls, increased parking fees and so on. Pushed is probably a better word than forced, but it's not far off.
When a former classic ICE afficionado becomes an EV activist you have to wonder about their investment portfolio
@@Shadrach666 Sources?
Or whether those who own the compromise racket might have something compromising on them!
How to destroy the value of a possibly rare classic car in a very expensive manner .
How to make a VW beetle even more of a money pit .
Just a fad that in the not too distant future will backfire.
Especially when their forced into higher electricity charge costs , pay per mile whatever your in fiasco .
No doubt special checks for converted vehicles won’t be far off too .
Just perhaps they prefer an EV and find it suits them and can see the benefits of waking up every morning with a full tank of very cheap fuel (I am taking about electricity by the way)
@@Sp_75-76 it’s only cheap fuel if you use solar to charge it yourself .
Then we have the pay per mile tax that’s soon to be introduced.
Fair play if they want to sink a pile of money into an EV but there does seem to be a ridiculous trend to spoil many a classic by tastelessly pimping up an old classic with tat from Halfords , china and Micky mouse bling from the states .
Period mods on classics especially rare models
I watched that rubbish. I called the three of them fanatics. What a bunch of virtue signalling losers. Geoff you and the McMaster have pointed out the real life depreciation currently on EVs.
It was very culty wasn't it.
I'm glad I didn't
Them and their fans are completely unreasonable, buy an EV or you're planet destroying scum. They also love to post suspiciously criticism free reviews of domestic Chinese brands.
@@GeoffBuysCarsyou misspelled culty
I got about 2 minutes in and could see where it was going, so stopped watching. All a bit preachy for me.
Fully charged. Ironically named. Paid blokes to push THE MESSAGE. Fully paid would have been a better title.
😂😂😂👍
Absolutely brilliant vid Geoff, and many points very well put. The most environmentally friendly car is an existing vehical in excellent condition being continually serviced and properly maintained. That way, you don`t have the environmental impact of a new car, and just keep driving the thing replacing parts when they wear out. So long as the bodywork stays in good condition, without rusting, it would be far more environmentally friendly to just replace worn parts, and not the whole car.
3 years ago, i bought a Mazda 6 diesel. It does on long motorway journeys 65mpg, and over 45mpg around town. It has considerably less than 30,000 miles on it, It was 9 months old when i bought it, and is now just under 4 years old. I do around 7-8,000 miles per year, so around 10 tankfulls of diesel. With that amount of mileage every year, if the engine does 200,000 miles, it will outlast me. So long as i can keep getting spares for it, i`l keep it for what will likely be the rest of my driving life. I paid just under £20,000 for it, which if i DID do 200,000 miles in it, would equate to 10p per mile in car purchase value, plus running costs, and being diesel, not only can i do theoretically in excess of 700 miles per tankful, at around £70 for a tankful that`s a rough estimate of 10p per mile in fuel costs.
I will be keeping my diesel for as long as i can, and at 65 years old, i doubt i will need to buy another car.
Now that`s what i call environmentally friendly.
Best way - the only people who buy my vehicles when I've finished with them are the breakers, from whom I've usually bought a bunch of spares to keep them going. Not quite bangernomics as I make sure everything is well serviced and reliable
Keeping ICE cars long term and maintaining them well used to be the best way to maximise the life of an ICE vehicle and make the most of the embedded emissions from manufacture. The issue is the emissions of just burning the fuel (excluding ICE manufacture emissions) over an ICE cars lifetime are significantly more than the emissions of making and driving an EV for 200k
ICE cars emissions are even worse if you include the emissions of extracting, refining and transporting the fuel from the ground into your tank.
@@Jamessansome How does that compare with the environmental impact of making 2 or 3 EVs and their batteries to last the same time as one well maintained ICE car, and the emissions from coal and gas power plants that need to be run to charge said EVs in many countries.
Then there is the environmental cost of making more wind and solar charging infrastructure which appears to have a lifespan of around 25 to 30 years so we can support the growing numbers of EVs on the road.
I'd like to see a proper study on that.
@@Stambo59 then google for that study. It's been done, EVs last a lot longer than 200k miles, and the batteries have second life use as stationary storage, or get 99% recycled into new batteries - the info is out there, keeping an ICE car going is not better.
Wrong. The existing vehicle churns out copious amounts of CO2 and screws the planet. What a present for your grandchildren.
I work in the car industry in Australia (as in a regional office of a global European company) that deals with rental cars. The majors take very few EV’s. They say because no one wants to rent them here. No one wants to hire and then on trips deal with the bother with long charge times, downloading apps and registering credit cards or find an available charger and waste their holiday time when they can drive to a petrol station with no hassle and fill up and be off sightseeing.
Charge times are not long. You have to stop for a pee, crap or bite to eat. You should not need an app. Here in the UK all new chargers must provide contactless payment.
... and not many charging points if you want to drive through the outback to gone on holiday either! 😉
@@rogerphelps9939 no chargers in the Aussie outback mate!
@@rogerphelps9939 oh please. ‘Not long’. Again a total gloss over. Guess what: when I refuel I DON’T have to have contrived stops to pee have a break etc. nor do I have to cross fingers theirs an available charger. No one sits at petrol pump for 20 minutes to an hour while they wander off to do other stuff. Oh and if I do need a break I take it where ‘I’ want down the road at a cafe I actually want to go to, or a park I want to sit at. Not in a service area where the charger is.
@@xr6lad Wrong. My Enyaq has 350 miles range. I can assure you that even after well under half that it is time for a break. You are being criminally irresponsible if you do not take a break. No exceptions.
I don’t think anything Quintin says should be taken too seriously. He has been scratching for a job since his extended warranty adverts 10 years ago
nothing worse than a poacher turned gamekeeper not to be trusted....vested interests.
Pretty oily individual anyway.
And another thing: The fire that engulfed Sebastian Loeb's Rally Cross team's cars at the week end was attended by 9 fire engines. They were still in the transporter truck at the Lydden circuit when the fire started. Fortunately the fire was contained in the tightly packed paddock and the rest of the week end's races were able to continue, but the World Rally Cross round was scratched.
ICE fires are far more common than EV fires. They are so common that they are not news but the very occasional EV fire is.
It wasn't caused by an EV. The luddites have gone rather quiet about the Luton Airport fire that was started by a, wait for it - diesel, to their immense disappointment.
Wilson has made a fortune selling warranties for ice cars. Absolute hypocrite.
Yeah I kinda remember an advert 😮
So?
@@jeremyradford5103 he's a commercial prostitute, he'll say anything for the highest bidder.
@@jeremyradford5103 agreed. If the warranty did not pay out it would be but just to sell a product is not hypocrisy
Well said i was about to add that. Thanks ;-)
Three words, "Follow the money". I would bet the "3 Stooges" are some way invested in the EV market. It's more about control than it is the environment.
Same applies to anti-EV media.
Their job depends on pushing the EV myth.
They get the cars for free but give us the impression that they paid for it with their own money 💰
Only a fraction of people will own an EV.
The rest of us will lease or walk.
@@johndoe-qg7jpwhat EV myth. I've seen them on the roads.
@@johndoe-qg7jpshow me where they have been given EVs and not paid for them themselves.
Spot on!
Well done! I seriously went off Quentin Wilson when I heard him banging on about about how great EVs are on Talk Radio when they're obviously not.
The only reason EVs are popular in the Netherlands is because they are heavily subsidized and they are almost exclusively company cars.
So what is happening to all the used EV’s when business has finished with them
Belgium too. EV sales are up and the media calls that a success. However, about 95% of sales are company cars. After about 3 years or 100.000 km (usually) those cars are dumped on the second hand market and are replaced by new cars. In January 2023 23% of employees in Belgium have a company car, of which 3.2% electric, 9.9% hybrid, 28.6% petrol, 57.8% diesel. Those percentages could change rapidly since ev’s are subsidised for companies, and since COVID their was a very long wait time due to lack of computer chips. (The number of company cars has more than doubled in the last 15 years.)
If EVs are so good, why is it necessary for taxpayers to subsidize the cost? If they are so good, why do they need to be mandated?
What government subsidies does someone buying an EV get?
In Canada and the US, you can get up to (sometimes more) $7,500 off the purchase price for EVs up to $70,000 purchase price. Then, you use the roads that are paid for through gasoline taxes, use of HOV lanes even if you’re alone and on, and on.
@@jph8291 Gasoline does not pay for roads in Canada, the subsidy for EVs comes from the reduced healthcare cost of not burning gasoline or diesel. Healthcare is paid from taxes, so, not causing or exacerbating respiratory illnesses saves the tax payer money, which can be used to encourage zero tailpipe vehicles. It's a revenue neutral exchange. Gasoline taxes pay for the damage from the CO2 emissions and in cities for subsidizing transit, effectively a personal vehicle congestion charge. In my opinion, transit subsidy should also be levied on EVs, likely via insurance renewals. Roads are paid from property and other taxes, and if you follow the narrative that only rich people can afford EVs, they have already paid more for the roads than gasoline drivers.
Governments have been subsidising the fossil fuel industry since the year dot and are still at it. EVs have a lot of catching up to do to get anywhere near the handouts that fossil fuels have had.
@@brushlessmotoring Yes. The idiots on this forum have extremely limited perspectives.
About time these EV shills are called out!
I just had to get a "newcar", 2008 fiesta. After my 206 finally gave up the ghost, after 10 years of service. This was the mother in laws car, which she got new. Let's keep old cars alive.
100%
Fully charged quite often point to that model or a model of shared ownership
Apparently 1.6 million people lease cars in the UK rather than buy. Not the best model for sustainable motoring and the average age cars are scrapped is just 14 years.
Yes and I will continue to drive my 1985 toyota celica supra every day until God knows when😅
@matinflynn795 Another 2 years, and it will qualify as a classic and be VED free. However, it will still go on pouring out almost 3 tonnes of CO2e every 10k miles. Just sayin'
I had never heard of the Fully Charged Show , it may need renamed as The Full of **** Show , another great video Geoff.
I can't help but feel that if a train was delayed 2 hours + on every long journey people would only ever do a couple of journeys before they looked at other options, I guess the same will be true of EVs.
answered your own question there infrastucture if your train never received the backing/government subsidies then they would be in the same shit state as the ev
@@eddiereed5025 LOL Thank God I no longer have to commute to work by train. Conditions were awful 10 years ago, and today the trains are still shit, unreliable and also cripplingly expensive. If people are still opting for trains over EVs then one has to ask why. The one thing that government is good at is wasting taxpayers' money. Subsidies are only mechanisms to put money in pockets of "the right people." Very little benefit accrues to the general public.
What about you take the train to work every day and it's perfect, it fact, better than perfect. It's quiet, fast, cheap and very reliable. But for say 3 days a year you are delayed by two hours.
I bet you'd still keep taking the train.
^^ THIS is really the situation with BEVs (ive owned and driven one for 8 years). For the vast majority of the time given my useage case, they are indeed, quiet, fast, cheap and convient. And yes a few times a year they are not. But because the number of times they are not convient is by far outweighed by the times they are, i'll keep driving a BEV.
It's also worth noting that pretty much anyone who buys a new BEV can of course afford a slightly cheaper equivalent NEW ICE. The fact they don't buy that cheaper cars should tell you something!
On the flip side of that can we ask why the climate crisis lobby have gone into overdrive lately? It’s honestly like they are losing a debate and becoming a screaming child.
Climate is the new covid. Red is the new green.
I think the grid problem is sinking in more to people now after the big rises in utility bills in the last 15 months .
The gas price has come down but electricity and gas bills are still twice as high as 2019.They will have to go up a lot more
Lockdowns 2.0
@@Marvin-dg8vjgovernments are closing nuclear plants
Duh, because we are running out of time and dumbasses are still challenging climate science.
Robert Llewellyn is literally a smeghead now.
Ha ha wondered where quality control went?? Fellow Leyland quality out of control here ha ha
So true 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Robert Llewellyn can only ever be one character and thats it.
This is a good one…
Not seen a dud one yet.
@@jacko9720 Ah thanks man!
In some sense, I always had EVs in my childhood, EVs are nothing more than scaled up RC car toys 😊
I remember my daughter at 3 years old driving her 'EV' Unfortunately into a neighbours car!!
I know a guy who took his family on holiday using their Nissan Leaf. The whole exercise was a disaster, the driver suffered major range anxiety the whole time. They had to recharge about three times for every one fill you'd have to do with a regular petrol car of the same size.
I've taken my family (and myself) on 1000 mile per day EV trips in Tesla's. It's not a big deal with the right charging network.
My life is too short for that
@@brushlessmotoring The charging situation is improving all the time.
@@GeoffBuysCars It will be even shorter when global warming kills you.
@@brushlessmotoring I was speaking to someone who had travelled by Tesla from Sheffield to Cornwall. It took ten hours as opposed to seven in a fossil fuelled car. They arrived with a nearly flat battery too. The UK doesn't have the right charging network so it's pointless to behave as if it does, or will do in the foreseeable future.
Last Christmas holidays there were queues of up to eight hours at the chargers near Exeter.
Did they ask why the "anti-EV" content is popular? Clickbait only works on people who want it.
Some of this anti EV sentiment will simply be resentment from people who want to own EV's and get that superior feeling deep inside but simply cannot afford it so they are happy to rubbish EV's. Coincidently they are also right ... but for the wrong reasons.
Quentin wilson is a complete mug & hes trying to stay relevant,
Nobody has paid him any attention as a motoring journo for years & hes trying his best to jump in with the ev manufacturers
100%
Spot on, plus he's irritating as hell
Absolutely. Not been relevant for years.
@@ruttspeed I think in his early days, he tried to sound like Clarkson, and has carried on from there. He can't talk like that in real life. Complete knob
He spearheaded a fuel price campaign a few years ago, but I doubt that put much bread on the table?
Its basically a religion. Impossible to argue with EV folks.
Is it because you lose?
@@esm7708 Robert Llewellyn? Is that you?
@@esm7708 With the hundreds of videos debunking the bullshit and others highlighting the current bombing of secondhand EV values we don't really NEED to argue with you. We just sit and giggle at the fact you believe the EV nonsense just as you probably believed Covid came from a wet market.
Is it because they counter misinformation with facts?
Yep, like arguing with a jehovahs witness, leave 'em to their fate i say lol
Car parks and bridges under threat from heavy EVs? Range Rover 2300kg, BMW X5 2300kg, Volvo XC90 2100kg, Tesla Model Y 1900kg. Which ones should we ban from car parks?
All of them
Actually Geoff, one of the prevailing thoughts on Fully Charged is Stop Burning Stuff. That encompasses - don’t have a car, cycle, walk. Recycle reuse. Find a way to do what you need by burning less.
Nothing in life is perfect, people still need to get to work, kids to school, economies to plod on.
But the though is to it by burning less stuff. This comes up in quite a lot of Fully Charged content.
Something seems to have been missed in the whole EV debacle, the negative effect on jobs and businesses. If the engine or gearbox in your ICE car becomes unusable for one reason or another, you can replace it with either a new, part used from salvage or refurbished item. If your EV battery or drive motors pack up, the cost of replacement will mean it's as cheap to just get another car......another EV that's produced a vast amount of emissions during its production. Then there's the whole aftermarket car modification and tuning industry that supply, fit and maintain the engine, gearbox, suspension mods that are so popular amongst 'petrolheads'. There's also the huge car parts industry that supplies all the parts used by local independent garages and the DIYer who does their servicing at home.
In reality….
US strong tornadoes have been DECREASING for 60 years
(see NOAA data).
Hurricanes and Typhoons have been STEADY for 45 years
(see Dr Ryan Maue data).
Heatwaves over 100 f have been DECREASING since the 1930s
(see NOAA data).
N Hemisphere snow extent has been INCREASING for 50 years.
(see Rutgers snow-lab).
Polar bear numbers have been increasing for 60 years.
(see DR Sue Crockford data:)
S Hemisphere sea-ice extent was INCREASING for 40 years,
before a storm in 2017. (and extent is climbing back up again)
(see NSIDC on climate4you)
Ralph.
A very good point well made 👍
Don't forget the petrol stations too.
A good point to demonstrate the superiority of an electric drive train, illustrating how we accept waste as part of our everyday lives, as if wasting £1 per litre of fuel isn't bad enough. 😊
'THEY' don't care. 'THEY' want everyone poor and dependant on the state for everything so that people are totally controllable.
The consumer ultimately is the EVs biggest critic. The business model so far is to use bureaucrats and the law to force people to buy an over priced product. I dont care to an extent how "good" or "moral" and EV car is per se, I am not going to make a bad personal decision to have one. It must provide utility at the rate I can and will afford.
They aren’t good and they certainly are not moral. More energy to produce them, horrendous Slav ary to get ‘components‘ for batteries.
As I’ve said I am 56. I can’t remember any tech that if it was evidently good the public would rush it and what came before simply disappear. Mobile phones, CD’s, colour tv, video recorders etc. and they all did it simpley with consumer demands and no need for government rebates, mandates, taxpayer supported infrastructure upgrades,
Punitive taxes on ICEs etc. until we come to EV’s. So much better (supposedly) and the future (supposedly) yet e we need all that.
Well, EV sales are growing exponentially, much of that via word of mouth and repeat trade. So for a lot of people, they work. Not everybody, but then what car is for everybody? There have always been big posh cars, little cheap cars, sporty cars, sensible cars etc. EV's are just part of the mix, but it's an increasing share. Can you show me a single person that has been forced to buy one? Have you considered that actually, for a lot of people an EV is perfect for them (as mine is for me)?
There are thousands that can no longer afford to run their little cars or big cars anymore thanks to Ulez charges … or did one forget .
As for resale value I’m sure that losing 40% of the cost of a new EV isn’t for everyone . Some of us think about that .
Or is it just the sensible ones .
“A fool and his money are easily parted “
Go figure .
@@rusty911s2If EVs aren't for everybody, then they're only for somebody. And those somebodies are statistically rich people who are buying EVs as a second or third vehicle, which further compromises the ability to amortize their embodied carbon and save carbon after the initial carbon debt is paid off.
Here's a thought. Has the govt realised or started listening to the right people and realised their plans are unobtainable? Now they need to sway the people in a different direction so they can listen and react by not banning ice vehicles.
When temperatures regularly exceed 40 degrees, even in the UK, you will become extremely keen to ditch your ICE. The government must stick to its guns and ignore short termists like you.
Klaus Schwab and his ilk own the worlds Govts - the Govt Puppets read their master Klaus's script for the New World SMART 15 Minute City Agenda
Breaking news ,instead of just stop oil, we have a new organisation called, Just stop ev's 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love the show mate, Jeoff. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Would make a lot more sense if it was ‘stop us having to buy EV’s’
Excellent summary and you are right to highlight the 'Undeniables' as many people are blindly walking in to buying an EV 'just because it is fashionable to do so.' Thanks for presenting the other side of the EV argument.
Car parks collapsing undeniable?
So predictable. I LOVE the way they attack any criticism or negative response and fail spectacularly to acknowledge all the rather large failures of the EV. They will never acknowledge their own faults and it doesn't surprise me that they carry on like they do because they are so bought up by the agenda and those financing it. Great video Geoff
I’d rather have terminal boils on my arse than have an EV.
@Lookup2Wakeup 😂😂😂😂
Do you mind if I ask why?
@@grahamf695 - because EV’s for all will never happen. Just a con.
@@timhicks2154 have you ever driven one?
@@grahamf695 - thankfully I have not. And I never want to. There’s no reason for them to be in use.
I had an electric remote control car, I soon changed it for a glow fuel one as I was sick of running out of battery power and having to wait hours to recharge.....
We went to the Morgan factory last year, fantastic tour around the factory, on the tour my husband mentioned if they got a electric model as he noticed a grey car tucked away on the side, to which the tour guide showed him and a few others around the electric vehicle a little bit, looked ok and asked if it will be released in near future, he replied the main problem being the supply of parts the biggest problem, just saying what he said.
The only market for an EV is either for posh and rich enough people to have as 0-60 monsters, or as a second car to a petrol or diesel.
Nail .hammer..head
I've driven 38k miles in under 3 years in an EV. Why would I lower my standards and use an ICE as a 'first' car? Apart from the electricity, which is 7.5p per kWh and takes me 4 miles, the only other expense has been screenwash fluid.
0-60 very quickly about 10 times, then 3 hours to recharge
So all I needed to do to climb the social ladder from working class was get an EV. Whoa!
I’ll also need to let the bank know. I drive EV mate, my credit is good.
@@jeremyradford5103 It may only cost you 7.5p/kWh to charge your car at home but the rest of your household electricity will be costing you almost double.
great stuff keep exposing the utter rubbish these idiots spout Geoff - the questions you put forwrad that they need to answer are just briiiant and I’d like to see them do it - dont think that’s going to happen!
So would I. Armchair experts who have never owned an EV having to provide a source for all the misinformation they spout up against those with facts. I'll get the popcorn.
Most of Geoff's questions have already been answered. It would be interesting to hear responses from Fully Charged. The idea behind the Fact - Check Pushback video is to do just that. Check what the real stats and what is untrue. E.G. the break even emissions mileage for an EV is now 12k but some still think it's 50/60/70k.
The questions raised are fair enough but you also need to do the same for ICE cars. That's the issue with both sides of the debate. This information is already out there but ICE owners only want to look at the negatives of EVs and don't look at the negatives of the old ICE cars.
There's ignorance on both sides of the story.
@gibroon4418 I would have to disagree. EV owners on here either have, or have had an ICE car. The ignorance is mostly with ICE owners who have never owned an EV.
@@oneeyedgirl617 Yep, everyone that drives electric have generally also driven a petrol or diesel for most of their life, they have the experience of both, the papers like to publish articles from 1 or 2 people that tried electric but didn't like it but many go electric and swear to never to back, why don't they ever ask them why they will never go back?
The answer is they don't care what they have to say because it doesn't align with what they are trying to push.
Its all the same rags though like The Mail, The SUN, The Telegraph etc.
There was a proposal a while back about setting guidelines and increasing reliability of charging operator etc, why didn't any of these outlets report on that, simple it wasn't negative.
Could it be their phones have stopped ringing in the last 15-20 years
Good report Mr Buys-Cars!
Everything these days goes hand in glove with an agenda - usually a heavily incentivised one at that!
The knives are out Geoff because they realise their fervent mantra about how EV’s are the panacea of the motoring world are somewhat flawed and can’t accept that fact. Backed into a corner and with credibility and much to lose they’re playing the blame game.
Used to watch fully charged all the time but they now come across as condescending and smug looking down on anyone who doesn’t agree with them
Exactly the reason I'm not watching them anymore.
Same reason I stopped too.
the EV pushback is because more info from non main stream media has surfaced about EV's not being as green as we have been told.
Nobody gives a flying fook about green. EVs are cheap to run when charged at home.
The non mainstream media that you are on about is just unsubstantiated urban myth stoked up by fossil fuel interests. I suggest you listen to climatologists and they will put you straight.
I have just seen a report on main stream media about a woman who lost 22000 on her new EV because it got flooded.
THIS WAS DESPITE THE FACT THAT
a. She put in her RUclips article that it wasn’t an EV
b. You can’t buy a new EV for 20000
c. The car in the picture was clearly a NON EV
d. The number plate showed it was not a new car
Yet this article was picked up by the main media- quite a number, and became another example of the desperate crap being spread about
Never knew Quentin Willson was an electric car shill, really surprised by that.
He drives a Tesla Model 3.
He is a smarmy know-it-all that has jumped on EVs as the next thing.
He'll become a fan of anything that he can make a living from.
@@angryofmayfair7091 He should go into politics!
@sullivanrachael He's a motoring journalist, not the ffing messiah. Get a grip, will you.
Perhaps Mr Wilson & pals should ask themselves why I should buy an EV based on an advert showing a model rollerskating down a road?
A well thought out breakdown of the current argument for EV's. The only logical outcome from which is the "Fully Charged Show" invite you to debate the questions you raise in a future episode. Now that would be groundbreaking coverage!
Why would any RUclips channel with 1 million subscribers and over 168 million views invite GBC for a discussion. What would they benefit from doing that?
@@jeremyradford5103 Just a challenge to them if they want. Otherwise, they are free to express their views. As is GBC. End of debate.
Please make that happen. The thought of non EV armchair experts having to come up with sources and facts instead of Talk TV BS would be too good to miss.
But according What Car figures for JUNE 2023 the premise that no one wants an EV is wrong
UK new car sales grew by 25.8% last month compared with the same period in 2022, official figures have revealed.
In total, 177,266 new cars left showrooms during June. This marks an 11th consecutive month of growth following the semiconductor chip shortage, which had limited vehicle production since 2020.
Plug-in hybrid sales grew by the biggest margin, with 12,770 joining the roads over the course of the month - 65.5% more than the year before. Sales of regular hybrids also increased significantly, from 14,978 last June to 20,991 in June 2023.
Likewise, electric car sales increased by nearly two fifths(40%), to 31,700, but petrol models remain most popular with UK buyers: 98,894 (including mild hybrids) were sold in June, accounting for 55.8% of total new car sales.
Only diesel-powered models were less popular this June than last; 12,911 diesel (and mild hybrid diesel) cars were sold, a 13.5% reduction on June 2022.
@steam51j GBC has "views." FC has knowledge...
Actually EV experts do not recommend Fully Charged
80% charged is the preferred approach for extending battery life.
They also recommend not allowing the battery to fall below 20% charge.
So there you have it, you should only use 60% of your potential battery capacity (range)
EV batteries can be charged to 100% because there is a buffer on either end that the manufacturers build in which can't be gone into. When it says 100% charged, it isnt. When it says 0%, it isn't.
@@Richard482another EV myth busted. Do any of these luddites actually do any research before posting nonsense?
@@oneeyedgirl617 Of course they don't.
@@Richard482 too busy swallowing it hook, line , and sinker....
Imagine only filling a petrol tank to 3/4s ? What is the point of 3/4 charges to prolong its life? Yet another reason ot to buy an EV😂
Anyone know if crash tests have been done on these heavy EVs v ICE equivalents?
Tesla's score so highly in crash tests it is an embarrassment to every other car manufacturer actually. You could have checked that easily yourself.
Email Thatcham. They do all the crash testing in the UK, and issue the appropriate Euro NCAP safety rating.
I own an EV and I must say I am delighted with it. I have not had any nightmare experiences. I bought it secondhand, so I avoided some of the depreciation problem. I plan to keep it for 10 years or more. I belong to a couple of social media EV groups and the people on there are mostly very happy with their cars. Some have had bad experiences, but they seem to be in the minority.
WE HAVE FOUND A SENSIBLE EV OWNER! Thank you for being in my comments. What EV did you get?
@@GeoffBuysCars I think the more interesting question is which EV's have you driven? I see tons of clickbait thumbnails, red meat to the petrol heads - and I get what you are doing - but what I don't see is you renting a Tesla (yeah, has to be a Tesla I'm afraid, for the charging network) and doing a 600 mile day trip in it, using the nav, charge when it needs it, report honestly about your experience, how much time doing 'rest stop business' vs. actually sitting twiddling your thumbs.
So much confirmation bias going on the comment section, and so many misunderstood aspects of EVs - you could, if you wanted to, educate both your audience, and yourself, on what the realities are.
EVs are not perfect, compromises do need to be made to keep it charged, but the emissions are not worse, keeping an ICE car going is not cleaner than getting an EV, and tailpipe emissions matter too.
@@GeoffBuysCars 😂. BMW i4 eDrive40.
@@Shadrach666 In exactly the same way you're justifying your stance......
I find Renaults recent advertisements somewhat telling where they have the tagline 'Remember how much you loved electric cars?' (a curious use of the past tense). In effect,the translation is 'We know you bought one before, got rid of it as soon as practicable and went back to petrol but,go on,please give them another try...our inventory is filling up fast with unsold EV's and we need to get shot of the things'.
Hi Geoff, this is absolutely true, not made up, my next door neighbour bought an EV, he ran it for a few months, and then realised it was costing as much as a petrol, but with all the inconvenience of having to stop and charge the damed thing on long journeys. So he's bought a petrol car now. and the EV, sits on his drive unable to sell it. The Morrell of this story is, don't buy an EV 😂😂
EVs are far cheaper to run than ICEs. Current EV ranges are plenty good enough. You are spouting nonsense.
@@rogerphelps9939 Um....no they're not unless you have home charging, but the purchase/lease price cancels that out anyway. As for range, I get up to 450 miles from my diesel car and it takes me 5 minutes to fill up. I don't have to worry about setting off with a full tank and I don't have to plan my journey for refilling purposes regardless of where I go in the UK. No EV can do that.
EVs are rapidly reaching price parity with comparavle ICE cars. You do not drive for 450 miles or whatever non stop. You charge an EV when you are taking a break.
@@severnsea I see you are happy to screw up the climate so that your grandchildren will curse you for your selfishness.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes, EV prices are falling because people don't want them. It doesn't work, mate. You people don't get it. I typically wouldn't be driving at speeds that would give me 450 miles from a tank anyway, so I could easily do a single trip on a full tank if I wanted to in many cases.
But I don't want to stop at grotty, expensive service stations to potentially have to wait for a free charger that's working, not being able to leave my car so I don't miss my slot, spend up to an hour charging my car at inflated prices, buying their crap food and drink at inflated prices, or have to be there when it's finished charging because there is likely to be somebody else waiting to charge their car. I don't want to have to work out if I have enough power to get there. I want to drive in, fill up and go. It's that simple.
Ouch! I couldn't watch anymore of that charged show video than i had to. The guy on the left spoke more turd than the total thats ever been excreted from out my backside. An absolute clearly funded video from the pro EV camp. Great work as usual geoff. 👌
I would expect a very salty response from them, whoever runs their social media has the maturity of grumpy frog.
Ha! i've never looked at their social media. That'll be interesting...
@@GeoffBuysCars Well in this context I mean their youtube comments.
That would be Dan Caesar I suspect. A real Dell boy character but with a deeply unpleasant personality. Robert Llewelyn is just a gormless buffoon who will say anything as long as he is paid for it. Total hypocrite if you add up all of his air miles in the last few years for the Fully charged show !
Nice to see you have some of the ‘greenist’ cars behind you- Morgan’s. Green because the average owner keeps them for 10-years.
IF you get 50 mpg, out of a car,
and drive it, the average miles in one year, 7,500
over 10 years, 75,000 it will create about 16 tons of CO2,
an average EV charged from renewables doing 75,000 miles
would struggle to create 1 ton of CO2,
to make an average ICE creates about 5 tons of CO2
and for an EV its about 9 tons.
Well said.
1, cobalt is mainly mined in DRC.
2, It is mined by children as young as 7 and the death rate is unacceptable.
3, Areas of the DRC and being devastated by mining.
4, The miners are paid dreadful wages and awful conditions
5, Cobalt is unrecyclable
6, If 35% of cars become battery powered , Every electricity substation in Britain MUST be upgraded.
7, Where are all the people who live in hi rise, terraced and houses without parking supposed to charge their vehicles?
8, Where are people without mains supposed to charge?
9, Farm vehicles that tow livestock trailers?
10, Affordable spare parts and maintenance?
11, vehicles Affordable to the less well off, Something nobody will discuss. Ask thosev3 that question
12, range and heater use in winter?
Thats just a few
Cobalt mines dont exist. these are exiting copper mines and cobalt is a byproduct of existing mining. Luckily most EVs today are not built with cobalt, though your phone and other gadgets probably were. I trust you will throw these away in protest? Why is child labour an exclusively ev problem in this case anyway? There are many supply chains with abuses, this is globalisation at its best. Dont ask where 99% of your other comsumer goods come from.
Imfastructure problems get better with time. Just because the grid is not capable now doesnt mean it will not adapt and grow with EV adoption. People that park in the street, will require an on street solution. That doesnt exist yet, but its still early days.
Maintenance is less than ICE. EV prices have plumetted and is much more affordable now.
Winter? Batteries are warmed before use nowadays, pimiting the effects on the range. Modern evs also have heat pumps allowing heating very efficiently.
The 3 of them on the fully charged show are condescending and sanctimonious especially LLewelyn.
'But Sirs, they made me do it. I'm programmed to obey the Deep State no matter how insane they are!' Shame on you Kryten, shame on you!
I can't stand that Kryton pr1ck....
Totally agree. 👍🏻
Wrtong. It is the idiot who runs this channel who is a condescending luddite and cannot understand the long term implications of continued use of ICEs.
Dear Geoff I looked in to Buying a EV. and did my homework before I even starting to Watch your channel and I Yeah, came to the same conclusion as you did and still do . and yes I will admit I am a petrol head by could not work out how come a new car of any description was good for the environment please keep doing what you are doing kind regards
Why are petrol heads suddenly caring about the environment?
@danmcadie2515 because I personally feel that something has to be done if not in my life time then at some time but not to feed the pockets of the people that have a Short term financial gain
"could not work out how come a new car of any description was good for the environment "
Have a read of this:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062603/lifecycle-analysis-of-UK-road-vehicles.pdf
The conclusions are pretty clear cut. If you don't agree with anything, let me know and i will try to explain further
Ev's are the new mobile phones. You rent it and then throw it in landfill as they're basically disposable.
You may do that with your mobile phone but many people send them to br recycled.
Redwood industries bruv
@Acemeistre Apple has plans to recycle 2.4 billion of their old phones 😊
6 years and counting and nowhere near having to worry about the battery. Next BS please.
send as many of them my way i am desperate to make a fortune recycling old ev batteries so far not many ev batteries for sale from non written of cars
Dans comment on 'They are so lean at the traffic lights compared to petrol diesel' is weak//.. emissons cannot be cherry picked when at a standstill to suit your top trump argument. I find his comments woeful. Thanks Geoff for the commentary. I managed about 10 minutes of Fully Charged drivel...Kudos for you getting to the end.
There are vintage electrics you're not taking into account. Nice driving position, easy access, single passenger seat but the mother of all boot space and all measured in milk bottles!
Only electric vehicle that I would ever consider at all! Fully recyclable batteries smiths or a Leyland Compton tho??
Milan trams - 95 years in service.
These people can’t debate Geoff , they just scream ,shout and cancel others who have a different opinion than their own.
Great point about classic cars .
Once people have "made their minds up" about something - _anything_ - getting them to admit they're wrong is much more difficult than people realise, in fact often close to impossible. Mistaken beliefs often only die with the people holding them.
Yes especially if they have a vested interest in old technology
How very true. I'm not sure if Geoff is ready to rent a Tesla and do a road trip yet though, his cognitive biases are not open the possibility he may be wrong.
Obstinacy runs both ways
@@Sp_75-76 Someone gets it.
Going through your undeniables looks pretty good for EVs honestly. What I do find interesting is one of your latter points about long term ownership. We shouldn’t be buying new cars every three years. I’d add that the electrification of existing cars is an important subject - I’d like to electrify my t5 van. Re your very last point about the death of classic cars, not sure we can engineer how people feel about cars and worry about the future of classics! That’s bonkers, let the market do it’s thing.
If people don't want electric cars then...
PEOPLE DON'T WANT ELECTRIC CARS 😂
It's that simple... Keep up the good work 👍
What about those that do want EV’s
PLeASE add 1 more argument: As EVs are (much) heavier, they objectively consume MORE energy to move.
Petrol engines are at best 30% efficient. They mainly produce heat.
My EV weighs nearly 2 tonnes, it’s ridiculously heavy yet I still get 4miles per kWh, around 1.7p per mile. Once it’s moving it wants to stay moving, Newton’s 1st law of motion.
Presumably you feel the same way about SUVs?
No, because they are about three times as efficient.
And they are not even that much heavier. For example, electric BMW 4 is 2065 to 2290 kg. Petrol version is 1695 to 1900 kg. Diesel version is 1780 to 1920 kg. That's the difference when the EV is not a bespoke electric car. A BMW SUV designed from the ground up to be an EV (the iX) weighs 0-10% more than a petrol/diesel SUV of the same class (the X5).
I think people do not really realize how heavy the ICE cars have gotten in the last decade or two.
My MG5 is 1000kg lighter than a Range Rover Sport.
EV sales are only going up because Company Car fleets are now Electric based as they get huge tax breaks for doing so.I wonder how much my 1973 Austin 1100 will be worth come 2030?Add to that it will run on synthetic fuel its got to be a shit load more green than an EV.One question how clean are LPG fuelled cars?
Absolutely, plus other schemes to make them more attrractive, including motability, which is ine of the main reasons there is an increasing issue with residual values / depreciation - second hand demand is much lower as the tax perks do not apply and the cars have to stand alone on their merits / costs.
Wrong. ICEs are only 25% efficient so every mile that you drive will use around 4 times the primary energy used by an EV. Furthermore synthetic fuels are going to be extremely expensive. LPG is a bit better than petrol but still emits a lot of CO2. If the LPG were used in a power station the electricity would take an EV about 4 times further than an ICE.
I can't wait until the valve of E-types to go down. Been waiting all my life for that.
VALUE
Me and SO had a car each (2019 Ibiza, 2017 Fabia, both 1.0TSi), decided we only needed one car between us.
Looked at EVs, did lots of Excel maths and ended up trading the two small petrol cars that did 50mpg for one 2019 diesel SUV (Hyundai Tuscon) that does 50mpg.
One of the petrol cars at 3 years old sold for more than I bought it new - small petrol cars have appreciated something mad. The car buying public can't get them fast enough.
Promoting saving the planet by..... Flying all around the world to Fully Charged Live! 😂
Is this thing worldwide?! Jesus, people PAY to see these dickheads in multiple countries?!
i guess "fully charged" have been bought & paid for.
Yes. By its youtube viewers. The same way that this youtube channel is bought & paid for.
Boom.
When they have to push EVs the warning bells are sounding.
(The Jaguar E-Type track was way too narrow ... she still looks good though).
Too true Geoff, tell it how it is, power to the people 👍
In the US Ford is waking up to the fact that their electric truck and car are flops, there is 100 day supply of pickups right now, no 100,000 order backlog. People watching videos online have seen they don’t perform like a real truck. I’m halfway with you, I have a 17 year old Cummins diesel truck with low miles and a 1 1/2 year old Corolla cross we bought new to drive forever. I like not thinking about range or the other nonsense. Love the channel of reality.
Yes, they trebled production to 150,000 F150 Lightings a year, and so the waiting time is now down to between 1 and 3 months.
Good for you Geoff!!! About time someone knowledgeable show the actual shortcomings
of moving exclusively to EVs will result in.
Amazing that so many of those cheerleading
us into an electric vehicle future, all seem to
ignore or overlook , known problems with such
a misguided policy. I am glad you are making
us aware of the many shortcomings that
electric vehicles, are already experiencing.
Keep up the good work, and keep informing us
of the truth.
Why not just let the consumer decide EV vs ICE - as we did before the "new normal"?
The market will sort the problem, EV cars are great to use for some people like just popping to shops once a day, but using them for long journey's maybe a petrol/diesel maybe better filling times and finding filling places also the EV reduced range during winter, and possibly in hot weather with aircon running. I am sure if EV cars are better than petrol/diesel then EV will become the norm. but batteries are expensive, and in accidents and so forth those prices kill the car, and adversely affects secondhand sales. let the market decide buyers will make the correct choice
So people now need two vehicles !?!
Brilliant Haha
@Lookup2Wakeup I believe that there is a penalty on ICE cars after 2024. In its EV sales mandate consultation document, the UK Government said that it had reached a provisional fine of £15,000 per internal combustion engine (ICE) car sold - and £18,000 per commercial vehicle - after determining that the fine should meet three criteria.
Just a small Nudge of course the UK government wants to reduce choice
And The UK government vowed today 25/07/2023 to stick to its ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 in an attempt to reassure businesses and investors in the electric vehicle industry after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak had appeared to waver on the policy in recent days.
@Lookup2WakeupI WON'T and I'm prepared for when theres NO diesel too . 😉
@Lookup2Wakeup no the fines are increasing each year see post below they have to reach those targets on EV sales otherwise they get fined for each ICE sold
@@fredflintstone1here did you find out about the fine as I would like to take a look at it
Should EVs be allowed on cross channel ferries or the tunnel ?
Yes. I have a number of times and not died.
Instead of asking such questions simply google ‘channel tunnel fires’ and you will quickly see it is ICE vehicles that need to be banned
@@Sp_75-76 I take it that you wont be watching Jeffs vid @ 5pm weds about cargo ships & ev fires ......
Anyone would think Quinton Wilson was sponsored by the EV market...🤫
Well, that was absolutely spot on. Absolutely brilliant.
May I add, if you’re E.V. has a problem or breakdown, garages really don’t want to know.
Do you have an EV ?
@@Sp_75-76 No, and don’t intend to. Look what happened the the North Sea today.
No problem at my local (village) garage, as both guys there are HEVRA certified to work on electric vehicles.......
That's changing fast: we have about a million EVs on UK roads, and garages are realising that if they can't deal with them, they will lose a lot of business. The numbers of EVs on the road will increase by 500,000 in 2023, and more with each passing year.
@@rogerhargreaves2272 Yes - a ship caught fire but none of its EVs had caught fire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Fremantle_Highway
Fully Charged has a fundamental vested interest in casting aspersions on those who question the political push towards EVs. If any RUclips Channel is to be accused of misinformation on the matter of EVs, Fully Charged should be the first to be questioned.
Just because they advocate for EVs doesn't mean they are wrong. And sure, question them. So far, most of their arguments hold up.
Just A FACT for you, I have had personal experience of a Tesla model S Plaid, it chewed through 3 sets of tyres in 30k, never ever got the promised range and I tried to drive it like a Nun!! But worst of all, after just 42k the battery suddenly lost its performance bringing range down to 40 miles!!
I wasn't a fan of electric cars anyway, but the push from the Government to get people in them is enough for me to absolutely detest them. Plus I couldn't drive a car that has no engine sound. HA Gayyyyyeeeee
Well said. The EV shills will all be on the payroll.
It's all a bit bizarre, as LEZ increases (coming to a town near you) I DON'T want to change my car (I need my diesel Audi to tow stuff) and yet I am being forced to change my car because paying £30 to go into Glasgow doesn't really make sense. I bought my car because it made sense (economically, large, and powerful enough to tow things) Brilliant debate and your "Undeniables" are brilliant.
Good video man! I hate EV's, just because of this scam... "it's the future" ... 😂 Those advertisings ... man .. all happy and not even related to driving, but very happy. 😅
We still fly ... we still build huge Cruise ships ...
Where is the infrastructure to use busses more / trains more / cycle more / walk more.
We need less mega shopping malls, but more small buisiness in the subburbs.
The make do and mend ethos is definitely something that's going to be pushed aggressively in the very near future
.I think you may find that the 'Fully Charged ' lads don't want a debate . They want to influence .
How do you know? I think they will easily take on the petrol heads.
@@johnmcconville6055 You have instantly forgotten the whole point of debating , which is a peculiar phenomenon .
was that Scrap heap Challenge robert llewelyn?
Excellent video! I'm so glad someone has put these questions publicly like this. I have previously commented about the infrastructure and where the electricity actually comes from. The electrical infrastructure is simply not capable of supporting everyone using EVs, especially alongside the massive expansion in electrical and electronic gadgets prevalent in society today. I hate the idea of nuclear energy because of the operating hazards and toxic waste material, yet people claim it is a 'clean' way to produce electricity.
In a nutshell based on just these two parameters, I do not want to own a vehicle that simply putting energy in to be able to use it could put the lights out in the local street or area (we've already one phase in our street fail and houses go dark), nor do I ever want to own a vehicle (or anything else for that matter) that produces a highly toxic radioactive waste product which would be the case if the electricity came from nuclear power.
"The electrical infrastructure is simply not capable of supporting everyone using EVs" and I think you will find that in 1920, there weren't enough filling stations to support 30 million ICE cars. But we scaled up to deal with ICE cars, and we are scaling up to deal with EVs. It won't be electric cars that will cause the strain on the grid (with bidirectional charging, they will actually help), it will be replacing gas boilers with heat pumps - but we're scaling up for that too, and the phasing out of ICEs and gas boiler will take decades.
@@simhedgesrex7097 You're not comparing like with like. It will be electric cars that cause a problem for the grid because of the way take power.
People will most likely put their cars on charge like, for example, their phones - at the same time and whether it needs charging or not. This is an impossible situation for the grid because power stations cannot simply be turned on and off. Heat pumps are actually much less of an issue for grid as the energy use is spread out and much lower compared with an EV charger, especially a fast charger.
Local power distribution is already failing due to the increased load put on it. My own street recently had a connection burn out. The point is the whole electrical infrastructure was never designed for this kind of loading. There will always be an electrical bottleneck somewhere, that will fail. I can remember from years ago the lights dimming intermittently as people came home at different times in an evening. I do not want to go back to those times.
Some areas are very old. For example, some houses are still on a 40 Amp meter (approximately 9.2KW). Where these are replaced with an 80 or 100 Amp meter (18.4 or 23KW respectively), this already puts over twice the original maximum load on the local infrastructure.
Where is this 'pot of gold' that will pay to replace our national electrical distribution? This country is heavily in debt. Bills need paying and people are already struggling to pay them. How will they pay more if companies put increase charges to fund 'improvements' to electrical system because of those with the fortune to be able to afford an EV in the first place. It would be yet more taxing of the poor to fund the lifestyle of the rich.
There is a various web pages that show the current state of the national grid and continuously update. It makes for interesting viewing.
Why the push to electricity everywhere? Meters, heating, cars and banks?
Who decided that and why?
Who is asking the people for their opinions?
Any idea how all of this will work if we have a massive power out or cyber attack ?? 🧐
Why?
The environment (pollution and climate change)
Energy independence
Saving money (solar and wind are the cheapest forms of energy generation)
It's about virtue signalling. I have a PCH deal on my existing car but I don't want my next car! How does that sound?
Wonderful list Geoff, 'nail on the head'. You'd get a job as an analyst anywhere. Well, if anyone actually wants analysts, that is...
"you'll get a job anywere" er really? I actually have a job vacancy right now to work for a major european OEM in their "future technoogies group" and sorry, but funnily enough they don't want random "experts from you-tube" they actually want a proven career experience...... Geoff is more than welcome to apply though and see how he gets on in the selection process!
What’s the pay? That would be the kicker!
@@GeoffBuysCars Between £55k and £65k
Geoff please visit the plant on Iceland that produce petrol from renewable energy. This is in so much better in so many ways. Cars that run on batteries makes no sense at all.
So, you'd be ok forking out 6 to 7 times the cost of unleaded for this Holy Grail fuel then? Because that's what it costs....
When Geoff mentioned renting a vehicle, my mind immediately went to the words published by the World Economic Forum: "you will own nothing and be happy".
I have already seen an advertising feature for Volvo cars, encouraging people to lease a car from them, rather than buy one. Is this the way we are headed, in order to fulfil Herr Schwab's prediction?
This connection jumped into my head when I heard renting cars. We already have that - it's called car hire. One can now see how the dots are beginning to join together in the EV plan!!!
Just like climate emergency and all the other nonsense we have endured over the last few decades, it is arrant nonsense and not to be entertained at any cost.
All these ideas are massive scams, which if accepted and normalised, will cost humanity their liberty.
It's a cult. Dealing with a member of a cult is like trying to reason with someone who is stupid. Maybe stupid = cult!?!?!
What about the environmental cost when the EV is done ?
Same as an ICE except that the battery gets re-used for home/grid storage, and there are fewer parts that need recycling otherwise (because EVs are not as complex as ICEs).
@@simhedgesrex7097 thanks. Good to read although it flies in the face of many photos of EVs sitting in fields, neglected & what folk get charged to replace their car batteries because "they are good for nothing" so no residual value yet
Cheers Geoff, well reasoned piece. Keep up the good work.