Did I Pay Off Too Easily? | Ask SplitSuit
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Derrick played an interesting hand with A2 in the big blind. Rather than checking back and taking his freeplay, Derrick raised two limpers with his baby Ace. SplitSuit discusses the validity of such a play, including sizing and why raising might not be best. Postflop Derrick improves to top pair on the turn and ends up check/calling on the end. SplitSuit explains why value betting the river ourselves might be more lucrative after taking such a line throughout the hand…
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Yeah I don't think these sound effects are at all necessary
Hey, SplitSuit, IMO these sound effects during the action on the table is a bit annoying. They take my attention away from video, so I think maybe you might take them off in the next video. Of course I understand that you won't do this for only one guy, so I would like to hear from others too what they think about it. However, great video as always!
Thanks for the feedback limpuls. It will be passed along to SplitSuit for sure
I agree! As you, I didn't like the noises. They are Very distracting.
Limpuls Agree!
I play this hand totally differently I'm afraid firstly I start just by checking pre flop , on the flop when we wiff totally, oop check, I would imagine we would face a bet with the guy who has k6 and its and easy fold , we lose our big blind instead of three quarters our stack , only my opinion
+Norfolkjiujitsu you must! check pree.
hey! Love the videos, not really loving the beeps and bloops that happen for every single action or pop up. They sound like those really irritating table sounds on poker clients. I'm already interested and watching the video, I don't need to be needlessly reminder noise spammed.
Keep up the great content!
Yep. It's like when a schoolkid learns how to use PowerPoint for the 1st time, and so adds a lot of animations, transitions and sounds. Somewhat funny but annoying and needless. Re video: Poker content solid as always.
sleep99PS3 Noted on all of the feedback. Thanks guys!
Great vid. Professional production but I think the beeps and tones were too loud.
ditch the sounds, annoying factor 10
Noted. I think SplitSuit is trying it for a couple more videos. And if the feedback is like this, he'll ditch them almost for sure.
No fish is folding after that K6 hit.
No shit. The point is that king nothing hands are hard to diagnose and on this board it looks like he's got a king with a shit kicker.
+Hotobu and a range so wide has few kings the raise is bad but the bet can be fine lot of fishes don t have a kig and then they fold. but the mistake is preflop.
Hey James, could you make a video about this type of hands (top pair, overpairs, weak 2 pair...) on deep stack/ante tables? I nearly exclusively play deep stack/ante micro tables and would like to see some thoughts if I can improve my strategy on meciocre made hands, because I have lost some big pots with those type of hands.
I'll pass the idea to SplitSuit :)
My thoughts on this hand, would love to know what splitsuit says as i watched it with no sound.
PREFLOP
3.5x does nothing. i dont mind the raise if it was for say 70c or 75c(folding out a good portion of his range).
thus creating a spot where we can shove by the turn given an ok run out.
the 2 players seem weak passive so checking and seeing a flop cheaply is an good option as we can probably see 5 cards cheaply thus continuing with a board run out of (flush draw, gutshot, or hitting a pair).
on this flop Kc, 6s, 5s, the cbet does nothing. if he has a King he wont fold, if he has a 6 he wont fold, if he has a 5 he wont fold, if he has a medium pair he wont fold, if he has a straight draw or a flush draw he wont fold, get the picture hes not going to fold a great portion of his range so Cbetting does nothing except fold out hands like J9etc so check folding seems the best option given how draw heavy the board is.
Turn is okish, but problem started preflop with the small bet.
river i would probably fire 3rd barrel = bet 1/3 pot and fold to a shove, as we arnt beating anything that shoves but will get called by 2nd pairs etc.
think that about sums it up............il be here all week XD
Great analysis!
i pretty much agree. the only thing im wondering why you'd watch this kind of vid with no sound? xD
just so i can review what a pro player says after i do my own analysis. if its around the same you know your doing something right, if its far off its worth finding out the WHY behind what he says.
+MR Bandito I agree raising to 0.50c + is much better and I'd say the preferable option. On the flop I think cbet is preferable - up and down draws, made pairs, flush draws don't fold; but, that's actually the smaller part of his range. AND the majority of that range folds to a second barrel on the turn.
I agree leading out the river. I'd go on the smaller side as well.
+Matthew Weiss your probably right, I am not aloud to play cash game poker any more under girlfriend rules after losing 2k in 1 day :( lol. I have had a few 2k losing days but none she new about XD. i just play MTT when I have the time period to play for 8 hours.
Honey he called a raise with K6
Joel Hahaha these are the hands that almost give him a stroke
I must say I disagree with the river analysis. I think check call here is fine, given that villian shows up with K6o here, his range is close to ATC, and in that range you could easily find 100+ combos of missed draws. He will have all the silly gutters and straight draws, and close to all spades possible. But then again, it's all up to whether villain bluffs missed draws or not.
In the end, the problem was the preflop play, just check it. Only raise 88+,KQ+,A10+ in my oppinion, and do so to 5-6bbs.
MouZeWarrioR ** it's also a question of "even though he has a ton of missed combos, would he bluff them often enough?". That's the really tough thing to debate :)
river: b/f>c/f
Love the videos! Small suggestion: can you cut down on the sound effects a tiny bit? They are somewhat loud compared to your voice and I think you can do away with most of the sounds in general
I think check calling is the best option on the river, you want him to bluff with all of his bricked draws, which is a lot of his range , plus we can't call a raise anyways , so unless villain is just so weak passive I like C/C the best
River is a Bet/Fold when facing a raise. Its better than Check/Call. I would bet $3, and i saved $0.68 from calling his $3.68. Villan impossible to raise unless he has the nuts straight. So by betting i saved $0.68, and have a showdown. Pls advise if i played it correctly here.
Shawn Chua if villain raises the river he only has a runner-runner nut straight? That being said, bet/fold looks fine for $3
Love all the new sounds when a point or action is made, but honestly I feel they take away from the content. They are cool, but too distracting. Or possibly too loud vs the level of your voice. I also agree with ***** I'd be check/calling river here bluff catching missed straight and flush draws.
it really confused me i was checking all my open tabs looking for some annoying beeps
Yes villain is fishy and you don't want to miss any value by taking a bet bet line. But isn't A2 more of a showdown value hand rather than a value hand? Would a better line be x/c turn, x/? riv depending on info gathered?
I think Hero's line of value betting the turn is massively better than check/calling
You also gave 14:1 preflop pot to river pot ratio (more than 8:1) so he could easily setmine you with any pair...
True
Theoutsmarter Don't you need more than 20/1 (call 20 rule) to set mine. I go as low as 16/1 but no lower. It's for those times you flop and set and still lose, or flop a set and don't get paid off...which is quite a lot.
Bod The odds of flopping a set are 7.5:1. In a vacuum the 20:1 Rule isn't a bad approximation. However, you shouldn't abide to those types of rules (in my opinion) because specific concepts are much more important, like: your opponent's range strenght, pot commitment, the tendency of your opponent to make bad folds in big pots and bad calls and raises in small ones, etc. In general, I recommend avoiding giving more than say 10:1 implied odds to your opponents in a multi-way pot, because they are most likely setmining.
I would also check the river to induce a bluff bet from all the missed draws (and call any bet from villain on the river with only $4 dollar remaining). Is this wrong?
Villain's entire line has been really passive and cally, tough to think he'd bluff often enough and you may easily be check/calling into better hands more often than you'd like to.
the new sounds are somewhat disturbing
He showed a lot of strenght... Ax hands win small pots and lose big ones...
Dear SplitSuit, thank you for this great analysis. Would you consider a halfish river bet in this spot to be some kind of a "blocker bet"? Would love to hear your thoughts on that term (especially size-wise) in this hand and in general.
I think a smaller bet is better than a large bet (or check). I'll make sure a video on blocker bets gets added to the list!
That'd be great, thank you very much!
Since there's a bunch of limpers in the pot, and villain is overlimp calling a super wide range of hands I think pre-flop raising for value is fine. He's calling with K6. That puts Ax, and KT+ well within our value range against that particular player. On the flop, we're usually ahead, and 56s puts a lot of hands in his calling range that we beat, and a few better hands that we can potentially fold. I think a slightly over half pot sized bet is good on the flop - keep the pot controlled, keep the betting lead. When the ace pops on the turn I think we should continue again, similar sizing - we're ahead of the vast majority of his range (he has K6 just as easily as he has K7 here), and most of his range will call a bet. Provided the river blanks I think leading out to control the pot is best. So I like: bigger bet pre flop, 1/2+ pot, 1/2+ pot, 1/2+ pot for the line here.
Or at least that's what I'd probably do...
+Matthew Weiss no oop not in Position you can/must raise butt oop it s difficult to Play his and your weak range. bye the way he was not the first limper.
+Thomas Minder I know he wasn't the first limper - he is overlimping - calling simply because he's getting a good price. Means his range is usually pretty soft. Looking back on it, I still like the line of raise to 4 or 5x BB, and lead out on the King. There's just so many hands that call fold on these stakes in this spot that I can't see it not being profitable in the long run. Given the call, I like leading out the turn as well.
We're usually ahead on the flop. When we get called we're usually ahead on the turn.
And on the river I like leading out for pot control. We're usually ahead, sometimes getting looked up by second best hands, and on rare occasion beat but not by anything that would raise us (unless we decided to play short stacked, which is what the hero did here, which I also don't like).
I honestly don't think Hero played this badly. I think he just got stupid unlucky running into K6 of all things.
+Matthew Weiss raising A2s pre oop for valueee??? are you fucking kidding???
+King of Clubs Not at all. Adjust your value range based on your opponent's calling range. Poker 101. If your opponent is calling with Kx and all sorts of combos worse than Kx, then Ax is ahead and should be raised for value.
+King of Clubs In fact, looking at this hand again, I think the only REAL mistake was the sizing pre-flop. I'd raise to 0.50. Calling range is usually capped at less than AT for both opponents, so there's about 100 combos ahead including small PP, and there's probably double that behind if K6o is in our opponent's range.
Anyone else find the sounds annoying?
+qwertymnvcxz no absolutely not!it s cult
1/2 is the same as 2/4!
+Neil Jerzynek how can it be the same? when its something different?
2/4! = 1/12 not the same as 1/2
Exactly! And half stupid is double smart! In terms of mathematical values its the same amount ofc but that was not the question... When its exactly the same, then why do we have different expressions for it?
interesting hand
King-6 off?!
I actually don't understand your problem with the flop CB. Yes, I will auto-CB that board. But I will probably make it a lot less than what hero did. I think $0.45 gets the job done and it only needs to work ~33%. Don't you think enough of his range folds right now to make some outright profit? Of course, give up afterwards if you get called.
But what folds other than maybe AT? Almost everything he calls with preflop either flops a pair, draw, gutshot, etc. Even a 1/2 pot CB likely doesn't work enough to be outright profitable again many players.
The Poker Bank He showed up with K6o. If he can have K6o here, what stops him from having things like Q7o? Or J4s? or T9o? I've got an outright profit with my estimates and I've even assumed he floats all A-highs.
If you assign a range that wide, then sure. That's the beauty of poker though, we can each assign different ranges and due to those assumptions come up with very different lines.
What are the Poker Bank's Thoughts on Student Loans? Do you think Students pay off too easily?
Lower the loans and it would be even easier to pay them off!
I mean, do you think students pay off as in, buy it too easily without thinking about the consequences.
EricSmyth14 I think students understand what they are signing up for.
cant wait for you to review my triple donk bet bluff. I have been checking your channel specifically every 2 days or so to see if you have made a video for it yet. Super excited :D
really annoying beeping throughout this vid!
every video I watch from this channel he ends up losing the hand and is wrong in how he played it. And he just says " well that happens sometimes" and plays it off like nothing happened. in case you don't know the object of poker is to win hands not analyze your chip bets to death.
Hey Mike. Can you please set a reminder for 1 year from today and re-read your comment to see if you still agree with it at that time? Especially the point about 'what the object of poker is' =)