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Lots of hate on this vid in the comments but i assume from experience PLO players but for someone like me who has played zero PLO, this interview is spot on. The bottom guy is very succinct in his answers which experienced players don't need further translation or context from the host, but new players like me do so it is appreciated. I think the haters just don't realize the target audience here
People forget that these videos are for newer players or those looking to get better in a specific spot. Experienced players seem to be here to look for help in their games for free when they should be paying for proper coaching.
@@plastichead8407 Your assumption on why experienced players would watch this video is both wildly inaccurate and the conclusion equally ridiculous. Similarly your assumption about negative comments not including novices is also mind bogglingly off. The evidence to this can be found IN THIS VERY COMMENT SECTION. Holy shit are you trying to infect everyone else with your ineptitude. You don’t need training for PLO. You need to be born a different human and get a different hobby.
Good Stuff. Thanks ! Should have listened before I bubbled the FT of the Bracelet event yesterday. Haven't really studied much PLO, but have played a lot of PLO8, good to brush up the concepts and think I would of adjusted a couple of plays.
Most games have 6+ callers pre at the low stakes live. There's also NO check raising. People just bet pot to protect. In these multi way games why would I bet 1/2 pot giving them a better price when they'll call pot w draws and never check raise?
Wow. Yet another of your videos that I have added to my "Watch again" list. (And I do watch them again!) I've paused at 22:45, so I apologize if you answer this question later. You said that bet sizing for the preflop aggressor should be 67% on dynamic boards, 50% on straight boards (I assume this means rainbow, though you didn't actually say it), and 33% on paired and flush boards. You didn't say this out loud, but I'm going to guess that these sizes are because if you are betting, you want to bet more on boards where the nuts is very likely to change by the river. The paired and flush boards are not dynamic and therefore you can afford to make a smaller bet. Is this right? Do we have the same situation as in hold'em c-bets that the smaller your bet size the higher your bet frequency?
@nickhansen8011 lol, yes national harbor. I hear other places are converting to 5 card. It seems that when they try 5 card, they never want to go back to 4.
I would love to see a video from you guys on 6-card PLO. Not even sure if it's beatable, but i assume it is because there are plenty of regs who are playing the highest stakes available every single day. It's also a very interesting game.
@@777shacob8 That's weird, because as i've been playing it, the more hands i've played preflop, the better i've tended to do, like literally playing 80% of hands from UTG. Whenever i've tried to play tighter, i always end up in some situation where i end up opening, getting potted, then re-potted, and i have triple suited AAxxxx or something like that, and end up having 13% equity in a 4way all-in, wondering why the hell i even bothered waiting for a good hand, when the guy with the best equity, was the guy with some random rundown gapper with two non-nut suits. I'm not sure whether to see situations like this as coolers, or whether i've made some fatal error somewhere that could've been avoided. I think you're probably right though, i'm probably just running good when i play more hands, so it's lucky you told me that preflop is actually important, because i was beginning to think i should just be playing almost everything preflop, possibly literally everything, the game is swingy as all living fuck from what i can tell, so it's hard to get any kind of reliable feedback from your results, and i don't have access to any kind of PLO6 solver, if those even exist. So i don't really know what to rely on when it comes to studying. Any advice?
A tribal casino, the largest in the area, had a fairly large poker room with regularly scheduled tournaments. They had a PLO tourney I didn't know about until I was told it was ending on a certain date, which, meant 5 more tournaments. So, I had to get in. I won 4 out of the 5 tournaments and came in 2nd in the 5th one. I like PLO! but only tournaments, playing live PLO is like setting a wheelbarrow of cash on fire.
Wouldn't you say that Suitedness and High Pairs fall under the category of Nuttiness, and that there are really only two main components of playability: Nuttiness and Connectivity?
AA78 doesn't really have much in the way of connectivity. All it has for connectivity is a single two card holding, 78. This is extremely poor connectivity for a PLO hand. It is of course still a hyper premium holding.
Slide error at 8:04 - the hands at the bottom that we open/don't open in early position should be "A ♠T♥9♥8♦ (but NOT) A♠T♥9♥6♦." The difference is Dylan was talking about ten-high suited versions of those hands. The ace-high suit versions (which are shown in the slide) are both opens from early position. Ace-high suits are fucking good in PLO!
I 100% disagree with the title, in no way is it incredibly easy, or simply easy. It takes a lot of work and dedication just to figure out good pre-flop strategy. Of course you have to put clickbait in your titles. Don't get me wrong, I learned a lot in this episode.
my biggest argument with my home game is how to determine the lo. I always say to count down from the highest card and the older players are insistent that you count up and that A/2 is automatic winner. I cant find a good clarification of this.
Wrong game... This vid's on high only, but you would count from the highest card down... A2 isn't always the automatic winner, IE, 572KK board, A3 of course would be, etc... So we'd say they have the 7532A low or a 7 low... A2 well wouldn't have a low since the 2 is counterfeited. But if they had A24Q, then they have 5742A for 2nd nut low.
For some reason players are bluffing so much when I play , these were not the bluff I did when I play at city Those bluff was masterpiece and I destroy them
I dont play PLO4 that much. Because I can't smell when opp's are Bluffing. 30-60% of the time Two Pairs are good enough, which I dont really like to think about betting on. I play PLO6 and PLO5 at a high level tho. So I dont have to play 4's
Guys - I use Upswing & your content is great & I appreciate your content so please continue with it. However, @Mike please it "may" drive even more business if you - Please ease up with the over annunciation of every word. It makes it difficult to listen for a longer period & I want to listen :) I am certain you're intelligent, but to attack every word in the english dictionary with a monotone voice & over annunciation is a tough listen. I can't be the only one who might appreciate a bit of a change in the delivery. If I am - then continue on as is - it's not you then, it's me :)
well! i dont want to be a party pooper!!!! this video did not worth to make! i like both of this ppl! same think not worth to make a video to take a breath once in a while...... if you dont want to die
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Lots of hate on this vid in the comments but i assume from experience PLO players but for someone like me who has played zero PLO, this interview is spot on. The bottom guy is very succinct in his answers which experienced players don't need further translation or context from the host, but new players like me do so it is appreciated. I think the haters just don't realize the target audience here
People forget that these videos are for newer players or those looking to get better in a specific spot. Experienced players seem to be here to look for help in their games for free when they should be paying for proper coaching.
@@plastichead8407 Your assumption on why experienced players would watch this video is both wildly inaccurate and the conclusion equally ridiculous. Similarly your assumption about negative comments not including novices is also mind bogglingly off. The evidence to this can be found IN THIS VERY COMMENT SECTION. Holy shit are you trying to infect everyone else with your ineptitude. You don’t need training for PLO. You need to be born a different human and get a different hobby.
Great episode and well explained
Dylan is a great teacher, great communicator. Thanks
16:53 "A Game of Cooler..." So True:
Not Nerdy.... Brilliant! A thousand thank you's. One of the best learning sessions ever. EPIC!
Good Stuff. Thanks ! Should have listened before I bubbled the FT of the Bracelet event yesterday. Haven't really studied much PLO, but have played a lot of PLO8, good to brush up the concepts and think I would of adjusted a couple of plays.
Most games have 6+ callers pre at the low stakes live. There's also NO check raising. People just bet pot to protect. In these multi way games why would I bet 1/2 pot giving them a better price when they'll call pot w draws and never check raise?
This is pure quality information and reassurance!
Excellent! I took away a few concepts to implement
thank you guys for the video!
Wow. Yet another of your videos that I have added to my "Watch again" list. (And I do watch them again!)
I've paused at 22:45, so I apologize if you answer this question later. You said that bet sizing for the preflop aggressor should be 67% on dynamic boards, 50% on straight boards (I assume this means rainbow, though you didn't actually say it), and 33% on paired and flush boards. You didn't say this out loud, but I'm going to guess that these sizes are because if you are betting, you want to bet more on boards where the nuts is very likely to change by the river. The paired and flush boards are not dynamic and therefore you can afford to make a smaller bet. Is this right?
Do we have the same situation as in hold'em c-bets that the smaller your bet size the higher your bet frequency?
Checking Flush and paired Flop boards are the way to go.
On tte flop, when would we want to bet pot?
When it is your turn to act
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Great video! What does our 3betting and 3bet calling range look like IP/OOP? That'd be a fantastic video concept
Thanks for this video! They only play 5 card in my casino so I would love to see a follow-up video on the same basic strategy for 5-card.
National Harbor?
it's on my list now!
5card high only?
@nickhansen8011 lol, yes national harbor. I hear other places are converting to 5 card. It seems that when they try 5 card, they never want to go back to 4.
Always have a backup low.
Can you do a follow up video with more concepts with Dylan
I would love to see a video from you guys on 6-card PLO. Not even sure if it's beatable, but i assume it is because there are plenty of regs who are playing the highest stakes available every single day. It's also a very interesting game.
It's certainly beatable. But I would say the most important street is preflop
@@777shacob8 That's weird, because as i've been playing it, the more hands i've played preflop, the better i've tended to do, like literally playing 80% of hands from UTG. Whenever i've tried to play tighter, i always end up in some situation where i end up opening, getting potted, then re-potted, and i have triple suited AAxxxx or something like that, and end up having 13% equity in a 4way all-in, wondering why the hell i even bothered waiting for a good hand, when the guy with the best equity, was the guy with some random rundown gapper with two non-nut suits. I'm not sure whether to see situations like this as coolers, or whether i've made some fatal error somewhere that could've been avoided.
I think you're probably right though, i'm probably just running good when i play more hands, so it's lucky you told me that preflop is actually important, because i was beginning to think i should just be playing almost everything preflop, possibly literally everything, the game is swingy as all living fuck from what i can tell, so it's hard to get any kind of reliable feedback from your results, and i don't have access to any kind of PLO6 solver, if those even exist. So i don't really know what to rely on when it comes to studying.
Any advice?
Very helpful
Indeed
A tribal casino, the largest in the area, had a fairly large poker room with regularly scheduled tournaments. They had a PLO tourney I didn't know about until I was told it was ending on a certain date, which, meant 5 more tournaments. So, I had to get in. I won 4 out of the 5 tournaments and came in 2nd in the 5th one. I like PLO! but only tournaments, playing live PLO is like setting a wheelbarrow of cash on fire.
Wouldn't you say that Suitedness and High Pairs fall under the category of Nuttiness, and that there are really only two main components of playability: Nuttiness and Connectivity?
Nope, Nutiness is also got to do with Suits, if your ace is not suited, then the nutiness is not there for flush
AA78 doesn't really have much in the way of connectivity. All it has for connectivity is a single two card holding, 78. This is extremely poor connectivity for a PLO hand. It is of course still a hyper premium holding.
Yeah why not AAJ10 ds as example?
It was an example of 78 connecting
Slide error at 8:04 - the hands at the bottom that we open/don't open in early position should be "A ♠T♥9♥8♦ (but NOT) A♠T♥9♥6♦."
The difference is Dylan was talking about ten-high suited versions of those hands. The ace-high suit versions (which are shown in the slide) are both opens from early position. Ace-high suits are fucking good in PLO!
I 100% disagree with the title, in no way is it incredibly easy, or simply easy. It takes a lot of work and dedication just to figure out good pre-flop strategy. Of course you have to put clickbait in your titles. Don't get me wrong, I learned a lot in this episode.
🔥vid
Anyone else notice the Madvillain in the background? The greatest MC MF DOOM
AA87 doesn't seem like a great example of connectivity to me. Wouldn't AAJT or even AA54 be better examples?
my biggest argument with my home game is how to determine the lo. I always say to count down from the highest card and the older players are insistent that you count up and that A/2 is automatic winner. I cant find a good clarification of this.
Wrong game... This vid's on high only, but you would count from the highest card down... A2 isn't always the automatic winner, IE, 572KK board, A3 of course would be, etc... So we'd say they have the 7532A low or a 7 low... A2 well wouldn't have a low since the 2 is counterfeited. But if they had A24Q, then they have 5742A for 2nd nut low.
It's bottom up i.e. a>2>>>
My understanding is that with a board of 568KK 23 would beat A4 because 32 beats 41 for the low
@@jasonnelson5251 Yes. Because the lowest higher card of your 2 must beat theirs.
@@jasonnelson5251 bottom up. A is a 1. 1 is lower than a 2. A4 is the better LOW hand than 32
Clear as mud
it'd be so nice if Mike talked way less and pretty much only asked questions. He is wasting so much time talking when we want to listen to Dylan talk
His explanation’s help imo
Disagree. He brings understanding to wider audience. V helpful.
Found the hater
interested in 5 card content too
For some reason players are bluffing so much when I play , these were not the bluff I did when I play at city
Those bluff was masterpiece and I destroy them
I dont play PLO4 that much. Because I can't smell when opp's are Bluffing. 30-60% of the time Two Pairs are good enough, which I dont really like to think about betting on.
I play PLO6 and PLO5 at a high level tho. So I dont have to play 4's
show some hi low stuff
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Gold
the game is soooooooooooo easyyyyy, incredibly easy!!! Just 4bet ds and win
Guys - I use Upswing & your content is great & I appreciate your content so please continue with it. However, @Mike please it "may" drive even more business if you - Please ease up with the over annunciation of every word. It makes it difficult to listen for a longer period & I want to listen :) I am certain you're intelligent, but to attack every word in the english dictionary with a monotone voice & over annunciation is a tough listen. I can't be the only one who might appreciate a bit of a change in the delivery. If I am - then continue on as is - it's not you then, it's me :)
Love the nerd shit!!!
Mike - hit the gym bruh
Nuttiness..smh
Soy is real here
PLO is easy in your game.
mine too
The host makes this unlistenable.
well! i dont want to be a party pooper!!!! this video did not worth to make! i like both of this ppl! same think not worth to make a video to take a breath once in a while...... if you dont want to die
Don´t tell people you could crush PLO4k with those advices.