James Gavaghan I was thinking the exact same. The video should have been called fish v fish v fish who wins? You could make more money in a few hours at this table than robbing a bank.
"I think i played this pretty well and just got drawn out, but i'd like your opinion." No u played that one horribly your sizing was worst ever, you let the fish got there.
I LOL'd at that. He wasn't hero. He was herofish. Definitely his sizing was terrible, and not shoving with the low SPR and TPTK set him up for this. Fish might have stuck around anyway: he's cold-calling a 50 BB 3-bet with Q9, after all, but at least you'd know you didn't open the door and ask him to take your chips.
I think it is worthy to note that it is a Casino Cash game. The "fish" with Q 9, may have tens of thousands of dollars in his pocket for all we know and he was looking for a drawing hand to call a big bet with. We know his plan is terrible, (he probably doesn't understand how often Q9 will be dominated in this spot by AQ, KQ...) but from the fish perspective, calling with a drawing hand and planning to suck out might be smart in his head. If we compare AK, to say A5 vs Q9, the Q9 would have about a 36%. Food for thought when playing against fishy and potentially rich people who just don't care about $100.
I agree, pre flop 3bet should of been more n shove post flop. Depending on how much of a fish he is, he may have still called on the open ended straight draw. I have seen people call huge bets on gut shot draws.
I'm not sure i buy the argument for the bigger three bet preflop. I get that a bigger three bet would make your life a lot easier post flop and that you wouldnt be put into the awkward position which ended up happening, but that would be true for all the other players as well. It's not like its any less awkward for the other players than it is for us, no?
I think in situations like this, the pertinent question "Is there a possiblity that collusion is taking place?" should be asked. Two (or more) people who are working together can easily steal your equity by calling in to flops they have no business being in. In my early days on pokerstars, I dealt with these tactics. Two to three guys calling in to flops they had no business being in, but when you know 4 to 6 cards in the deck, that can change things quite a bit. I'm convinced there are two groups of poker cheaters out there. The ones who don't know what they're doing (hence, you wouldn't even know they're cheating because they're actually still losing) and the ones that know exactly what they're doing (as they understand how to utiiize blocker cards, and increase their draw percentages, also raising and reraising pots) With little effort, you can easily imagine the scenarios a few guys working together can create. Hell, I'm pretty sure I personally caught 2 guys signaling to each other the last time I was at the casino! As risky as that is, short term gains are attractive to the criminal mind. And a few smart guys with no moral obligations can put even the best players in an awkward situation. I'm not saying that's what happened here...but I like to remember that it's a real possibility. Sometimes, the right answer is to step away.
Right off the bat... I don't think 3-bet shoving is a bad line pre flop. Or go up to like 250 so it's either stacks or fold. On the flop, stack it. Even if behind, chances are we remove a Q from the deck and discount our aces - we still have 6 outs to about 24% to catch up and fold out the hands that beat us when we catch the king. And I'd say we're behind about 50% of the time - and guesstimating the few times we're crushed by sets (which isn't a lot because both villains probably have 66 just as often as they have TT here), I'd say we're probably 40-50% to win this overall (against both opponents). Now that I've seen the river. Shit, if he's cold calling a 3-bet to 100BB with Q9s, jam the flop!!!! He's going to call that too, he's drawing to seven outs which is probably enough for him to call and lose his stack 2/3+ of the time.
+Matthew Weiss By shoving at the flop, we get players with a Queen to fold. The board is AJT. If anyone has a queen and has a st draw, he's probably gonna fold. It gives us better chance to catch up with a King to make 2 pair and a queen to make st if we are behind. Maybe this is what you were trying to say?
+Xiao Zhu I have no idea. But I think I can state a clearer analysis. We assume both the UTG player and SB can be on a fairly wide range based on the pre-flop action. But we can discount big hands like AA, KK, QQ from the small blind as he likely shoves these. So a reasonable pre-flop range for both players would look something like: SB: broadway drawing hands (JTs, KQs, ATs), medium pairs (88-JJ), and AJ+ UTG: all sorts of stuff. but I'd say a similar range as the small blind, with maybe AX thrown in as well. AJT rainbow, UTG leads out for 1/3 pot. This doesn't really mean much, but I think it's likely there's some value behind it, so any Queen + pair or K + pair, or AX combo. I think it's safe to assume we are way ahead of UTG's range here. SB is more concerning, because his range connects more to the board. But the only hand we don't have some equity against is KQ. Excluding sets, if behind we have outs with any K or Q and a couple of Aces for a few combos as well. But we're only behind to AJ (6), ATs (1), KQs (3), JTs (2), JJ (3), and TT (3). And while that looks like a lot of stuff, it's actually not when accounting for what we block and the board - only 18 combos. That leaves AQ (8), KJs (2), KTs (2), QJs (3), 88 (6), 99 (6) (and as it turns out, QTs, which I think is a stretch, but whatever) - so that's 27 combos, plus AK chops. This presents three crucial pieces of information: (a) We are often ahead here, even if only by a slight margin; (b) a lot of the hands that both the UTG and SB hold are either top pair hands that we beat, or hands with drawing power, so we can get frequently called by worse; (c) the few times we do get called by better, we still have 4 to 9 outs - which isn't great, but makes shoving overall a pretty comfortable play. I think it's fairly obvious these players are here to gamble, and I think letting a street go off gives them more opportunity to fold the hands that we beat. So I don't think calling is optimal. I don't think it's horrible, I think we still get a lot of calls from worse on a blank turn, but definitely not best. I think this is a more sound analysis.
James (SplitSuit) Sweeney. Your voice is fine, Ive watched your videos for years and am very pleased you post them on youtube. I appreciate all you do and look forward to your next. Thank you very much.
Dude it is incredibly awesome to face players like these! Cold calling 50X with Q9s... Are you kidding me LOL ? By the way, as most of people would aggree here, you should have 3 bet to sth like 150, 175. If you get called you shove it in post flop. You gave them free ticket to outdraw you.
James, your logic is spot on as always. Why don't you play higher limits? From what I remember you just play 2/5. I mean if that's where you see your greatest hourly from then by all means stay there but I got to ask, why aren't you playing 5/10 or 25/50 live?
A bigger bet pre flop in general will scare off weaker holdings like Q9 if he had bet bigger there’s a chance he wouldn’t have been sucked out by the fish, Although when the SB is cold calling $99 with Q9 it’s hard to imagine anything short of a preflop shove forcing him out
Great analysis as always James. My first instinct on the river was to puke/fold. What kind of range do you put the fish on when he breaks out the mini bulldozer? I feel like a fish's range for check-call flop, check-call turn, ship river is 2pair+...like....always...especially given how passive he's been the rest of the hand.
James (SplitSuit) I can dig. I'm with you on 3betting bigger pre and just shipping the flop. You make a really good point (and I don't know that people realize HOW important it is) about sizing on the earlier streets and how it affects the later streets. It's really important to think about the future streets and how they're going to play out based on the SPR. Anyways, keep making vids man! These make me wanna move out to LV and play again! :)
+UKCass the problem with shoving is that effective stacks are 500bb. You're risking alot when theres a small chance that villain or small blind has AA or KK. I say shoving when you have 300bb in this situation would be okay. Otherwise 3bet to 150 and hope to catch an Ace or K if called. If you're not comfortable with making decisions when you don't hit, then perhaps avoid playing deep stack poker.
What is the strategies in these wild games?. Like in my casino, there will be like 3-4 players who keep raising preflop relentlessly and raise you off the hand postflop on low boards.
Thing is that if he shoves on the flop, he isnt going anywhere with an open ender. Only way to get him to fold is pre-flop if he correctly 3-bets to 170-200.
So, raise to something like 180 to set up a $250 flop jam? What if he makes a stop-n-go flop shove? What is the maximum SPR that you would call off a missed AK against this kind of opponent?
So there were three fish in the pot. SB would call shove on the turn and probably on the flop. So instead of having a huge EV edge by shoving hero made -200$ EV call on the river.
I honestly don't think that SB was folding to a $170 preflop raise and definitely not folding to a shove on the flop because he probably thought his straight draw was spectacular lol. I do believe $170 was a better raise then $100 for better value in a heads up situation with the maniac number 1 who was definitely calling with anything, but HERO wasn't expect maniac number 2 to come along. This is a classic case of poker bingo donkism. I bet you the SB didn't even care what anyone else had. All he cared about was hitting a flush for a big payout and saw the straight draw and got just as happy. I agree with the analysis and I would stay at the table until it closed if I was HERO.
Don't be reluctant to use your entire stack to put real pressure on your opponents. Even the fishiest fish think twice before calling half or more of their stack into a solid player pf. This is especially true if they have built up some multiples of their original buy in.
Personally since he opened to $50 & only has a little over $400..I am open shoving just about always. I really don't see any other play. 3 betting to $150 doesn't really accomplish much in my opinion. Also, can you ask for the change your seat marker. Having not 1 but 2 crazy fishes to your immediate left is just a recipe for headache after headache.
Going to $150 gives him the option to either call or jam. Shoving only gives him the option to call. I'd rather give an aggressive fish the chance to spew-shove since that's the mistake type he's most likely to make
I would have left the table immediately once I realised the table dynamic... it’s dangerous to play with these types of players. No amount of “skill” can beat these people because you have absolutely no idea what they play with
Looks a bit a like collusion, trying sandwich hero with q9s obv. On a serious note, there is usually a table like this every weekend night in any decent-sized poker room. Especially in Vegas!
Yeah this guy DEFINITELY screwed this hand up by not betting aggressive enough on the flop. If I was up against a fish and an aggrodonk I would have raised to about 150-175 then shoved on the flop (in this particular scenario or any in which I flop TPTK). He would have taken down a fuck tonne of big blinds and it wouldn't have been super serial......I mean super awesome.......that is assuming the fish wouldn't have just gone "DUHHHHHHHHHHH I GOTS A DRAWING HAND! ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" and called in which it would've been a cooler but tough tits. That's poker folks. I've found that my game has improved immensely since I ramped up my aggression factor. Don't fear the suck out folks. Make your opponent's fear you. Putting your opponents in tough spots is usually when you when you win since they're thinking about whether or not to play the least best and scared you might have 'em beat. Sure they're not always gonna call but when they do KA-CHING! (Usually)
Yea im gunna be honest, id probably just jammed on flop. Not out of good play, but out of nervousness about the board runout. Or is that good play lol iono.
What would have happened. Guy opens 25bb, you shove, SB calls with Q9 Suited, UTG Over shoves with 55, SB calls. Flop ATJ SB: "Ohhh there's a sweat." Turn: 3c SB: It's ok, it's ok. UTG: "5!" River: 8s SB: "yesssss" You: -.-'
Why not just shove preflop picking up 53$ or aggro boy calling with worse?This way you wont see the chance of catching a bad flop and losing the pot. Also i dont thing you enduce by min raising someone who opens 25 blinds more so it should alert the guy that you got a good hand. Anyone who disagree with my thinking is welcome give their own thoughts about this hand.
I think you're right that we should raise more preflop, but I don't know about just shoving over the $50 raise since we are 250BB deep, and the SB is still to act, also with 250BB. I think a pot-sized 3-bet, i.e. to $150 accomplishes the same thing as shoving against the opener, but leaves us room to possibly get away from our hand if the SB comes over the top. I mean if we raise it to $150 and the SB jams, do we still think our AKo is good?
Sick hand... Would you consider a mistake to shove pre? I'd hate to 3bet to 70-75BBs, miss 2/3 of the times and because of pot size have to stack yourself with A high
Jose Hinostroza Vasquez it creates an automatic SPR...need to be comfortable stacking AK-high in small SPR pots because they happen quite often (especially in MTTs)
Hero screwed himself three times here. P: If he already knew the fish to his left was going to play that loose, he really should have 3bet higher to isolate the aggrotard. However, I have no qualms playing possom and flatting if the aggrotard was the only person to enter in the hand. If the fish still wanted to join after a large 3bet, at least effective stack sizes would make flop play so much easier. If Aggrotard jammed, I'd assume he's got any pocket pair and rejam to isolate. F: Flat calling a 1/3 pot bet here is just terrible. Raise to shut them down and/or force them into a difficult situation. If their ranges are really that wide, what's there to be scared of? Hero is either playing scared or looking to trap with just top pair. Bad. Just Bad. T: Betting 1/6 pot is simply inviting the fish and aggrotard to call on a draw. 3c only improves runner runner flushes, and a bet size that small is equitably inviting on straight draws, flush draws, and less than top pairs to continue. R: If I saw this, I would be very happy to join the table. What I see is 1 fish, 1 supernit, and 1 aggrotard. If I were Hero, I'd take a long break and question if I'm ready to stack off on my own accord.
OMFG this comment section is filled with poker pros " you played your hand bad bla bla bla " that guy called 100 $ preflop with Q9 suited thats a shit hand i would never put him on that but thats what happens when you play with noobs
A played a much sillier hand that wound up all (about a thousand dollar pot) in a 1/3 game live. I won with Q9 against Q8... With a queen on the board. haha
hero is just as tarded as the 25 bb openraiser and the flatcalling fish... everything about this hand says i want to live at this table ... the betsizing is horrible ! from all of theese player!
Sure hero made a mistake, but how does a comment like this help? You know hero is going to watch this video and likely read these comments...how would you feel if someone called you 'tarded'?
I am sure there is a word for me... but I would have left eh table due to the previous historical behavior of the aggrotard. these guys make me nervous and angry
James (SplitSuit) That's certainly your right. Just know that it's probably not just us two that actually TOLD you about the issue that HAVE the issue. They probably just don't watch any more of your videos, and you don't even realize it. Why would it be such an issue to have a buddy of yours with a "radio voice" do voice-overs with your commentary?
+Kevin Bailey I'm totally fine if people don't watch my content because they don't like my voice. I have plenty of people who watch my videos and listen to my podcasts and I don't care to cater to the 14 people who have an issue with my voice.
James (SplitSuit) That's great--good luck to you, then. It was just a suggestion, as there are many people who put together and produce great videos, but don't necessarily do the VO work.
+Davy Ker I agree. This guy should write the script for the videos, and find someone w/a decent voice to narrate them. Info is good, but the voice is just brutal.
+Davy Ker He basically told me he didn't care if his voice kept some people from watching his videos, and would never write out his thoughts and have someone do a voice-over.
"I think I Played this Hand pretty Well" 😂😂😂 dude what.
Yano Sch “I only made mistakes on 3 different streets”
Lmao.. Stack preflop or eventually stack after seeing flop.
Everybody deserved to go broke. So where is this casino exactly?
James Gavaghan I was thinking the exact same. The video should have been called fish v fish v fish who wins? You could make more money in a few hours at this table than robbing a bank.
+James Gavaghan If you found out please share the el dorado
Uranus..yes he said where in another video
Hero doesn't seem comfortable playing those stakes..
Exactly what I thought. Drop down a level where you can afford to lose the stack pre.
A student of upswing poker
@Jon Dorsey look at everyone's stack. Idk where he is playing but those are insane stacks for 1/2
The sad part is that if hero jammed flop, the fish still calls, and hits on the river.
Wow you're totally right lolol. That's really depressing
Nah! So-called Fish knew that whale does not jam. SB was a shark! (Not a fish, as the hero (Fish!) thought and sold it here).
limping for 50 bb in the small with Q9s... LMAO!
STRONG CALL!
Standard.
***** Power Poker
What are volumes 1 and 2 about?
You can only limp for 1 BB by definition, WTF are you talking about.
I don't think it was intentionally funny, but your comment when the SB cold called cracked me up
+Jeffrey Pavao I do my best =)
"I think i played this pretty well and just got drawn out, but i'd like your opinion." No u played that one horribly your sizing was worst ever, you let the fish got there.
I LOL'd at that. He wasn't hero. He was herofish.
Definitely his sizing was terrible, and not shoving with the low SPR and TPTK set him up for this. Fish might have stuck around anyway: he's cold-calling a 50 BB 3-bet with Q9, after all, but at least you'd know you didn't open the door and ask him to take your chips.
Totally agree
Calling cold 50bb's in SB w/ Q9. I want to play in this game too :)
+Bobby NuTz Poker But it was suited!!!!
+Александър Костов You guys don't understand. It's his favourite hand.
that was horrible to watch
I think it is worthy to note that it is a Casino Cash game. The "fish" with Q 9, may have tens of thousands of dollars in his pocket for all we know and he was looking for a drawing hand to call a big bet with.
We know his plan is terrible, (he probably doesn't understand how often Q9 will be dominated in this spot by AQ, KQ...) but from the fish perspective, calling with a drawing hand and planning to suck out might be smart in his head. If we compare AK, to say A5 vs Q9, the Q9 would have about a 36%.
Food for thought when playing against fishy and potentially rich people who just don't care about $100.
I laghued so hard on your comment when the fish called...
Wow, this was not expected from this channel! Very fun hand
LMAO the cold call preflop killed me
Was actually a good cold call by the small blind. He saw the dealer had a pokerstars logo on his shirt
♠️😹😂🤣
I agree, pre flop 3bet should of been more n shove post flop. Depending on how much of a fish he is, he may have still called on the open ended straight draw. I have seen people call huge bets on gut shot draws.
I'm not sure i buy the argument for the bigger three bet preflop. I get that a bigger three bet would make your life a lot easier post flop and that you wouldnt be put into the awkward position which ended up happening, but that would be true for all the other players as well. It's not like its any less awkward for the other players than it is for us, no?
I think in situations like this, the pertinent question "Is there a possiblity that collusion is taking place?" should be asked. Two (or more) people who are working together can easily steal your equity by calling in to flops they have no business being in. In my early days on pokerstars, I dealt with these tactics. Two to three guys calling in to flops they had no business being in, but when you know 4 to 6 cards in the deck, that can change things quite a bit. I'm convinced there are two groups of poker cheaters out there. The ones who don't know what they're doing (hence, you wouldn't even know they're cheating because they're actually still losing) and the ones that know exactly what they're doing (as they understand how to utiiize blocker cards, and increase their draw percentages, also raising and reraising pots) With little effort, you can easily imagine the scenarios a few guys working together can create. Hell, I'm pretty sure I personally caught 2 guys signaling to each other the last time I was at the casino! As risky as that is, short term gains are attractive to the criminal mind. And a few smart guys with no moral obligations can put even the best players in an awkward situation. I'm not saying that's what happened here...but I like to remember that it's a real possibility. Sometimes, the right answer is to step away.
It's amazing how much changes when you become comfortable with jamming.
Right off the bat... I don't think 3-bet shoving is a bad line pre flop. Or go up to like 250 so it's either stacks or fold.
On the flop, stack it. Even if behind, chances are we remove a Q from the deck and discount our aces - we still have 6 outs to about 24% to catch up and fold out the hands that beat us when we catch the king. And I'd say we're behind about 50% of the time - and guesstimating the few times we're crushed by sets (which isn't a lot because both villains probably have 66 just as often as they have TT here), I'd say we're probably 40-50% to win this overall (against both opponents).
Now that I've seen the river. Shit, if he's cold calling a 3-bet to 100BB with Q9s, jam the flop!!!! He's going to call that too, he's drawing to seven outs which is probably enough for him to call and lose his stack 2/3+ of the time.
Matthew Weiss Exactly.
Matthew Weiss
"fold out the hands that beat us when we catch the king"
I do not understand this part.
OMGClayAiken I think I meant we give bad incentives to naked straight draws... but uh... I don't remember what I was trying to say exactly. Doh.
+Matthew Weiss By shoving at the flop, we get players with a Queen to fold. The board is AJT. If anyone has a queen and has a st draw, he's probably gonna fold. It gives us better chance to catch up with a King to make 2 pair and a queen to make st if we are behind.
Maybe this is what you were trying to say?
+Xiao Zhu I have no idea. But I think I can state a clearer analysis.
We assume both the UTG player and SB can be on a fairly wide range based on the pre-flop action. But we can discount big hands like AA, KK, QQ from the small blind as he likely shoves these. So a reasonable pre-flop range for both players would look something like:
SB: broadway drawing hands (JTs, KQs, ATs), medium pairs (88-JJ), and AJ+
UTG: all sorts of stuff. but I'd say a similar range as the small blind, with maybe AX thrown in as well.
AJT rainbow, UTG leads out for 1/3 pot. This doesn't really mean much, but I think it's likely there's some value behind it, so any Queen + pair or K + pair, or AX combo. I think it's safe to assume we are way ahead of UTG's range here.
SB is more concerning, because his range connects more to the board. But the only hand we don't have some equity against is KQ. Excluding sets, if behind we have outs with any K or Q and a couple of Aces for a few combos as well. But we're only behind to AJ (6), ATs (1), KQs (3), JTs (2), JJ (3), and TT (3). And while that looks like a lot of stuff, it's actually not when accounting for what we block and the board - only 18 combos. That leaves AQ (8), KJs (2), KTs (2), QJs (3), 88 (6), 99 (6) (and as it turns out, QTs, which I think is a stretch, but whatever) - so that's 27 combos, plus AK chops.
This presents three crucial pieces of information: (a) We are often ahead here, even if only by a slight margin; (b) a lot of the hands that both the UTG and SB hold are either top pair hands that we beat, or hands with drawing power, so we can get frequently called by worse; (c) the few times we do get called by better, we still have 4 to 9 outs - which isn't great, but makes shoving overall a pretty comfortable play.
I think it's fairly obvious these players are here to gamble, and I think letting a street go off gives them more opportunity to fold the hands that we beat. So I don't think calling is optimal. I don't think it's horrible, I think we still get a lot of calls from worse on a blank turn, but definitely not best.
I think this is a more sound analysis.
What happened to the extremely large chip stacks??
James (SplitSuit) Sweeney.
Your voice is fine, Ive watched your videos for years and am very pleased you post them on youtube.
I appreciate all you do and look forward to your next.
Thank you very much.
7.45: "You grind it and you enjoy it". I think I would be screaming in horror and looking at a broken monitor if this happened to me!
That's why we play with a proper BR - so we can laugh through the variance :)
yep that's all broll relevant as to how hard it hits you emotionally.
Dude it is incredibly awesome to face players like these! Cold calling 50X with Q9s... Are you kidding me LOL ?
By the way, as most of people would aggree here, you should have 3 bet to sth like 150, 175. If you get called you shove it in post flop. You gave them free ticket to outdraw you.
Cagdas Akdemir agrre especially with a drawing hand like AK-AA.KK would be another story
James, your logic is spot on as always. Why don't you play higher limits? From what I remember you just play 2/5. I mean if that's where you see your greatest hourly from then by all means stay there but I got to ask, why aren't you playing 5/10 or 25/50 live?
Thanks Michael. If you email me that question I'd be happy to answer it
Can someone please further elaborate how a bigger pre-flop bet would have worked better? Why would the situation be significantly different post-flop?
A bigger bet pre flop in general will scare off weaker holdings like Q9 if he had bet bigger there’s a chance he wouldn’t have been sucked out by the fish, Although when the SB is cold calling $99 with Q9 it’s hard to imagine anything short of a preflop shove forcing him out
This is just your typical live poker hand at the casino on a Fri/Sat night
Probably one of the worst played hands I have ever seen, and he thinks he played it well! Jesus Christ.
Really? Hero make some mistakes, but you can't say they were worse than the SB's mistakes.
that bet at the turn is faaaaaaaaar worst than the sb pre mistake...
Great analysis as always James. My first instinct on the river was to puke/fold. What kind of range do you put the fish on when he breaks out the mini bulldozer? I feel like a fish's range for check-call flop, check-call turn, ship river is 2pair+...like....always...especially given how passive he's been the rest of the hand.
Thank you sir. Honestly, I'd never really get to the river like this...ever...so it's tough for me to say.
James (SplitSuit) I can dig. I'm with you on 3betting bigger pre and just shipping the flop. You make a really good point (and I don't know that people realize HOW important it is) about sizing on the earlier streets and how it affects the later streets. It's really important to think about the future streets and how they're going to play out based on the SPR. Anyways, keep making vids man! These make me wanna move out to LV and play again! :)
Joaquin Colon Thank you, and 100% do it =)
Forgive me, I've not played long but trying to learn more. Would the 'hero' going all-in (pre- flop) be an okay play?
+UKCass the problem with shoving is that effective stacks are 500bb. You're risking alot when theres a small chance that villain or small blind has AA or KK. I say shoving when you have 300bb in this situation would be okay. Otherwise 3bet to 150 and hope to catch an Ace or K if called. If you're not comfortable with making decisions when you don't hit, then perhaps avoid playing deep stack poker.
What is the strategies in these wild games?. Like in my casino, there will be like 3-4 players who keep raising preflop relentlessly and raise you off the hand postflop on low boards.
Either get stickier, aggress them back, or get nit up. Either of those will tend to work =)
great review as always
I see the min 3 bet plenty where i play. It basically screams call a little more and try and crack a premium hand.
Video uploaded 7 years ago I am watching now
Thing is that if he shoves on the flop, he isnt going anywhere with an open ender. Only way to get him to fold is pre-flop if he correctly 3-bets to 170-200.
So, raise to something like 180 to set up a $250 flop jam? What if he makes a stop-n-go flop shove? What is the maximum SPR that you would call off a missed AK against this kind of opponent?
Maybe 1.5 SPR? And yea, $180 works for sure as a 3bet size
So there were three fish in the pot. SB would call shove on the turn and probably on the flop. So instead of having a huge EV edge by shoving hero made -200$ EV call on the river.
I honestly don't think that SB was folding to a $170 preflop raise and definitely not folding to a shove on the flop because he probably thought his straight draw was spectacular lol. I do believe $170 was a better raise then $100 for better value in a heads up situation with the maniac number 1 who was definitely calling with anything, but HERO wasn't expect maniac number 2 to come along.
This is a classic case of poker bingo donkism. I bet you the SB didn't even care what anyone else had. All he cared about was hitting a flush for a big payout and saw the straight draw and got just as happy.
I agree with the analysis and I would stay at the table until it closed if I was HERO.
Don't be reluctant to use your entire stack to put real pressure on your opponents. Even the fishiest fish think twice before calling half or more of their stack into a solid player pf. This is especially true if they have built up some multiples of their original buy in.
Personally since he opened to $50 & only has a little over $400..I am open shoving just about always. I really don't see any other play. 3 betting to $150 doesn't really accomplish much in my opinion. Also, can you ask for the change your seat marker. Having not 1 but 2 crazy fishes to your immediate left is just a recipe for headache after headache.
Going to $150 gives him the option to either call or jam. Shoving only gives him the option to call. I'd rather give an aggressive fish the chance to spew-shove since that's the mistake type he's most likely to make
I would have left the table immediately once I realised the table dynamic... it’s dangerous to play with these types of players. No amount of “skill” can beat these people because you have absolutely no idea what they play with
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ship on the flop....done...or def bet 150+ minimum
Against such an opponent after the 50$ open i would just go all-in to be honest
Looks a bit a like collusion, trying sandwich hero with q9s obv.
On a serious note, there is usually a table like this every weekend night in any decent-sized poker room. Especially in Vegas!
Just find the drunkest/loudest table...
Q9 of spades in the sb, sure I'll call just about 50 big blinds 😂😂
It's so painful to see someone like that SB win, honestly...
True, but that's part of poker :)
Yeah this guy DEFINITELY screwed this hand up by not betting aggressive enough on the flop. If I was up against a fish and an aggrodonk I would have raised to about 150-175 then shoved on the flop (in this particular scenario or any in which I flop TPTK). He would have taken down a fuck tonne of big blinds and it wouldn't have been super serial......I mean super awesome.......that is assuming the fish wouldn't have just gone "DUHHHHHHHHHHH I GOTS A DRAWING HAND! ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" and called in which it would've been a cooler but tough tits. That's poker folks.
I've found that my game has improved immensely since I ramped up my aggression factor. Don't fear the suck out folks. Make your opponent's fear you. Putting your opponents in tough spots is usually when you when you win since they're thinking about whether or not to play the least best and scared you might have 'em beat. Sure they're not always gonna call but when they do KA-CHING! (Usually)
Repetitive 100 bets made it wayyy too cheap for the fishes to call n suck out. 3 bet Shove on the flop always
Yea im gunna be honest, id probably just jammed on flop.
Not out of good play, but out of nervousness about the board runout. Or is that good play lol iono.
raise all in on the flop, if fish has KQ bad luck, if aggrotard has TJ AJ JJ TT, bad luck.
What would have happened. Guy opens 25bb, you shove, SB calls with Q9 Suited, UTG Over shoves with 55, SB calls. Flop ATJ SB: "Ohhh there's a sweat." Turn: 3c SB: It's ok, it's ok. UTG: "5!" River: 8s SB: "yesssss" You: -.-'
I laughed when the spelling mistake popped up
So many combos smash that flop
The SB had aces. Q9s is the best hand ever, 10 years of poker experience speaking
maybe he wanted to open to 5$ ...
Gindila Lucian it's live poker...tough to misclick that badly in live games ;)
Oh sorry I thought that was a $5 chip, not ten $5 chips
Should of shipped the turn and 3b larger pf
Goofy hand but the donkey would have called anyhow with the straight draw any time along the line.
Holy Hero has to be the biggest fish out of those 3
Because they were suited...
Why not just shove preflop picking up 53$ or aggro boy calling with worse?This way you wont see the chance of catching a bad flop and losing the pot. Also i dont thing you enduce by min raising someone who opens 25 blinds more so it should alert the guy that you got a good hand. Anyone who disagree with my thinking is welcome give their own thoughts about this hand.
I think you're right that we should raise more preflop, but I don't know about just shoving over the $50 raise since we are 250BB deep, and the SB is still to act, also with 250BB. I think a pot-sized 3-bet, i.e. to $150 accomplishes the same thing as shoving against the opener, but leaves us room to possibly get away from our hand if the SB comes over the top. I mean if we raise it to $150 and the SB jams, do we still think our AKo is good?
amaaaazing!!
and wait for JJ+ ;)
That's a little tight for this line up lol
“ I think I played this hand well”!?!? You handed him that straight right from the get go. There was nothing goo about the way this hand was played
Sick hand... Would you consider a mistake to shove pre? I'd hate to 3bet to 70-75BBs, miss 2/3 of the times and because of pot size have to stack yourself with A high
Jose Hinostroza Vasquez it creates an automatic SPR...need to be comfortable stacking AK-high in small SPR pots because they happen quite often (especially in MTTs)
He should have jammed after the flop and if not there definitely on the turn. He let the fish get there.
Hero missed 3 shoves opportunity: preflop, flop and turn so he got punished... Poker is justice!
I think the min 3bet to induce an aggrotard makes sense but AK is the wrong hand to do it with
horrible bet sizing...great game :)
I cant tell who played it worse
he bet a 6th of thhe flop against stacks of just 2x that what on earth was he thinking i genuinely want to know
Randy...you uh did not play this hand well at all, the bet sizing was just uh...my god.
Its funny, the teachers on youtube boils down to, "BET MORE" during pre flop, flop and turn.
Titanosaurus Because betting more applies greater pressure on them to fold early.
He thinks he played the hand well! I have a game I would like to invite hero to. He was begging to get rivered with those bet sizes.
Hero screwed himself three times here.
P: If he already knew the fish to his left was going to play that loose, he really should have 3bet higher to isolate the aggrotard. However, I have no qualms playing possom and flatting if the aggrotard was the only person to enter in the hand. If the fish still wanted to join after a large 3bet, at least effective stack sizes would make flop play so much easier. If Aggrotard jammed, I'd assume he's got any pocket pair and rejam to isolate.
F: Flat calling a 1/3 pot bet here is just terrible. Raise to shut them down and/or force them into a difficult situation. If their ranges are really that wide, what's there to be scared of? Hero is either playing scared or looking to trap with just top pair. Bad. Just Bad.
T: Betting 1/6 pot is simply inviting the fish and aggrotard to call on a draw. 3c only improves runner runner flushes, and a bet size that small is equitably inviting on straight draws, flush draws, and less than top pairs to continue.
R: If I saw this, I would be very happy to join the table. What I see is 1 fish, 1 supernit, and 1 aggrotard. If I were Hero, I'd take a long break and question if I'm ready to stack off on my own accord.
it made me laugh when he said 25bb looool
this hand is hilarious
Watching this made me angry.
Hero shoulda 3 bet larger or shoved all in or folded
If there are still players like the hero in 2021 still consider themselves "grinders" on 1-2 NL, give me a loan of 3k and i would crash those stakes.
I would have jammed on the flop. Also don’t gamble stakes that you can’t afford.
OMFG this comment section is filled with poker pros " you played your hand bad bla bla bla " that guy called 100 $ preflop with Q9 suited thats a shit hand i would never put him on that but thats what happens when you play with noobs
The problem isn't the result, it's that he missed out on value by betting so small.
Its obvious the aggroTard and Fish are playing together..
Seaton1518 It's live poker
bburditt technically they are playing together :)
A played a much sillier hand that wound up all (about a thousand dollar pot) in a 1/3 game live. I won with Q9 against Q8... With a queen on the board. haha
Queen 9 ha!
Weak play the aim should of been to get the fish out of the pot early I might start going to the casino lol.
Fold.
this looks like a pokerstar hand...that ''fish'' is a bot.
You contradict yourself with your 4 bet sizes all the time
hero is just as tarded as the 25 bb openraiser and the flatcalling fish... everything about this hand says i want to live at this table ... the betsizing is horrible ! from all of theese player!
Sure hero made a mistake, but how does a comment like this help? You know hero is going to watch this video and likely read these comments...how would you feel if someone called you 'tarded'?
i'm sorry but that was a terrible play..
I am sure there is a word for me... but I would have left eh table due to the previous historical behavior of the aggrotard. these guys make me nervous and angry
It's great to call a four bet shove with AK??? I disagree...
King Chibot Generally no, but given the nature of the player it is.
Great information, but your voice man. Please write scripts for your videos, and find someone else to narrate them. Super hard to listen to.
+Kevin Bailey yeah, I'm not going to do that.
James (SplitSuit) That's certainly your right. Just know that it's probably not just us two that actually TOLD you about the issue that HAVE the issue. They probably just don't watch any more of your videos, and you don't even realize it. Why would it be such an issue to have a buddy of yours with a "radio voice" do voice-overs with your commentary?
+Kevin Bailey I'm totally fine if people don't watch my content because they don't like my voice. I have plenty of people who watch my videos and listen to my podcasts and I don't care to cater to the 14 people who have an issue with my voice.
James (SplitSuit) That's great--good luck to you, then. It was just a suggestion, as there are many people who put together and produce great videos, but don't necessarily do the VO work.
+Kevin Bailey good luck to you as well!
Randy , you should quit playing poker !
+Kevin Nguyen Let's not be rude Kevin.
+Kevin Nguyen don't tap the tank lol
It's really hard to listen to you talk... sounds like you have a cold or something. Maybe it's your mic idk, but it's unpleasant :(
+Davy Ker I agree. This guy should write the script for the videos, and find someone w/a decent voice to narrate them. Info is good, but the voice is just brutal.
Kevin Bailey
Honestly think if it wasn't for that I'd watch these videos a lot more, the content is very good.
Davy Ker I agree. And I tried to make a suggestion about it to him, but I think I hurt his feelings, which was not my intent at all.
+Davy Ker He basically told me he didn't care if his voice kept some people from watching his videos, and would never write out his thoughts and have someone do a voice-over.
+Kevin Bailey I don't blame him. I don't think it would work very well, a voice over would take all the emotion and understanding out of it.