The Velma Problem
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
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Velma's second season has finally arrived and while the quality is as you would expect (hot garbage) there's been a ton of discourse around hate-watching the show among other things. Let's talk about that.
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
2:13 - Sponsor
3:23 - Velma's CONFUSING Season 2
9:30 - How Velma WON by doing Absolutely Nothing
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Tracks in order of appearance (Repeats not counted):
Persona 3 Reload OST - Color Your Night (Instrumental)
DELTARUNE OST - Hip Shop
The Amazing Digital Circus Main Theme
Gravity Falls OST - Let's Rewind
Picross 3D Round 2 OST - Challenge
Persona 4 OST - New Days
Sonic Adventure OST - Azure Blue World (Emerald Coast)
UNBEATABLE [white label] OST - Title Screen
Losing Streak - Chew Well (Outro Song)
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Bro had to hide the names of crybaby Twitter users 💀
No hate, just sayin
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Nice new drawings of yourself.
As a bristolian myself I can say with confidence that this city is a fucking dump
Please post a link to the site to watch Velma S2.
Imagine a Studio who hates animation so much that they cancel Infinity Train, write off Coyote VS ACME, but still think an Adult Comedy Scooby-Doo staring the Internet's most hated actress is a good idea.
I’m not a fan of Mindy but she is absolutely not the most hated actress lol
@@Birdyboys True, there’s Amber Heard, but her acting sucks, so I wouldn’t even consider her an actress
@@Birdyboys she still sucks though
I can imagine, Leg Uh C.
@@Birdyboysshe definitely is lmao
Who ever spread the rumor that this show was popular in latino america should be consider a war criminal
We hate this thing
Well there's a audience somewhere
@@skootergirl22it’s the hate watchers
@@l8studios_ Hate watchers make up a miniscule amount of viewers, just accept that casuals are checking out the show for themselves
Its number 10 in The MAX ranking in México right now, to my knowledge, it kept The regular voices for The characters in The mexican Dub over here 🤷♂️
@@cubriffic172 who looks at Velma and says "that would be a good watch", I've never heard anyone watch Velma thinking it'll be good or not hearing of the drama before
Scrappy was a real one for killing Mindy’s Velma for us 🫡
and Scooby got off very very lucky.
List all your least favorite side characters that are Scooby-Doo related and they won't hold a candle to how bad Mindy destroyed the series
She is not “Mindy’s Velma”, she is simply “Mindy”
He heard that he was no longer the worst part of the Scooby Doo franchise and immediately got jealous.
Scrappy finally did something good
Why is Velma getting a season 3?! Why is Velma being one of the most watched HBO Max shows of all time?! Why hasn't it been cancelled yet?! WHY?! WHY?! WHY?!?
Dude. If you thought for 2 seconds, its to rile people up, and its clear it was ready to go before any results dropped.
Now can we let this show fade into irrelevance? Please?
People need to quit hate watching
It sucks doesn’t it
Its not even in the top 20 hbo max shows and a season 3 isnt even confirmed
STOP HATE WATCHING SHOWS YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE
“Velma dies”
Finally peace has returned to the universe
😂😂😂
She dies, but immediately comes back as a ghost. We were happy for like 2 seconds. :(
"Somehow, Velma has returned."
"Bad writing, Plot armour, only secrets bad plot writers know" @@DeCryptid23
@@Happysecret180 I would make another joke, but I literally remember next to nothing about that movie outside of that quote.
I'm honored to have provided the new stills for Toonshi! I'm so excited!!!
they look really good :3
great job ! They look great
You are a really great artist and I hope you get more work
13:11
Lucky ❤
Velma is the teen titans go of adult animation. No matter how much people say they hate it they’ll still watch for years to come, talk about it on social media and continue to wonder why it’ll get a season 3, 4 and 5.
Because hate watching is real
Teen Titans kinda sucks but hey, atleast there's some things that are likeable about it
Velma? Nah, this has no personality at all
@@sandy_nes31 TTG memes are good
it's literally what it's made for
TTG was never made nor was it marketed as the second coming of Teen Titans
it was just a kiddy parody show that's never meant to be taken seriously
while Velma has plot and shit
I haven't even watched a single episode of Velma, just reactions to it 😂
I don’t like teen titans go but that Show is perfectly capable of Being funny
Also Ngl Teen titans Go isn’t really about the old teen titans They just share Character designs It’s like all the turtles incarnations
I haven't watched TTG in a decade, but I really don't care about the attitude against that show.
I loved the OG Teen Titans show, but it's not coming back. Let it go, guys.
Hate watching is retarded.I don't waste my time with crap that can't be even classified as guilty pleasure.People are dumb
What I don't understand is that she didn't want to put Scooby-Doo into the show but yet it's okay for them to put Scrappy in the show. And what they did to him was absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, he killed Velma. He's a hero in my eyes.
@@pariahdark1892 The only good thing Velma did was revive and redeem Scrappy
She wasn't allowed to put Scooby into the show, there is a difference
@osets2117 It's both, because Velma is clearly a show that resents being forced to be a Scooby-Doo property to obtain anything resembling relevance. I doubt they'd want to include the titular Scooby as a character to detract more from the half-assed "mystery" they actually wanted to do from the beginning. Then again, the writers clearly do things purely to spite and anger their audience, so they might have included Scoob just to do something particularly horrendous to him as payback. Warner made the right call banning him from being in.
@@TheAngryXenite you can just tell they hated the fact they had to make a Scooby show and probably got even more annoyed when they weren't allowed to have Scooby in it to bastardize because of said hatred of the original show
people are more vocal in expressing hate than enjoyment, and the showrunners are happy to profit off it. just go back to pirating, like normal people
*NO, PIRATING IS ILLEGAL AND CAN GET YOU ARRESTED!*
@@mistafay Imagine going arrested for pirating but not for doxxing lol
@@mistafay/s
I don't know if that's true, actually. I'm in several communities where people gush about their intetests and engage in generally positive vibes, and it's so... *healing*?
I think selling hatred is a cultural thing. Corps sell hatred to us, and so many people really don't learn how to do much else other than internalize it.
It can obscure what's actually natural: nothing. Nothing is natural. We decide who we are and how we engage with media every day.
I've been pirating shows for several years now, and I haven't been arrested yet.
The fact close enough got cancelled and coyote vs acme also got cancelled as a tax write-off and for some reason they didn't cancel Velma and got a second season is just mind-blowing.
Did-did you just copy my own comment
velma was produced in a single season but the episodes made were split into 2 seasons each with half the episode count
basically season 2 was planned from the start because it was just season 1 part 2
(doesn’t make it any better that the whole thing got by when coyote vs acme got canned though)
@@justarandombluebird8222He said exactly what you said but louder
Do you people actually watch videos before commenting 😭
@@justarandombluebird8222no?
It was me Cartoonshi. I watched Velma 69420 times to ENSURE it'd be successful! And you'd HAVE to review it again and again and again!
Mersault... The HEAVY GAUNTLET
That comment coul be a template for those comic book parody videos, like the ones Solidjay dose. The ones with reverse flash.
@@user-sz9xp4lg7y Thanks for the info! I saw ONE once...
Nooo
@@Pulsefnyt Mwa ha ha ha!
Man, like, I get the *CONCEPT* of Velma. R-rated Scooby-Doo isn't terrible, that's like 1/5th of the venture brothers. But like, the show clearly dislikes all of scooby doo so much I have to wonder *WHY* this is Scooby -Doo?
The answer is brand recognition, I know I don't like it, but it is.
When it was announced, I thought it was a great concept. Then it released, and it was shittier than an unclean bathroom.
I think warner did it on purpose because they knew it would get people talking and watching, not sure if they accounted for the very shit writing too considering who's writing the show. At least the animators aren't holding back so much because some scenes really are amazing looking
imo mindy wanted to make her own show couldnt pitch it, so she renamed the main cast but norville
Iirc what guy's real name is norville (I think its norville rogers)
@@nagitoadthats why they kept the name
The fact they got Frank Welker, the original voice of Fred, to participate in a show where (for much of it) they drag his character through the mud is such a slap in the face.
Congratulations, now you know how Peter Cullen felt about voicing Optimus in the Bayformers movies.
@@leithaziz2716 Ironic too since Frank Welker was Megatron since G1
Was he in debt with WB
@@leithaziz2716 at least Bay prime wasn’t the butt of every joke like Fred is
Everyone's got a price.
PERFECT TIMING I JUST MICROWAVED MY FOOD.
How was it?
@@deringjosuegarcia1531 she died of food poisoning
What do you think you’re doing you thief
Why is the great looking animation wasted so much on such a heinous and unlikable show?! This quality is way above most other adult animated shows, and yet it's written as one of the worst.
Since animation is dying, they don't have much work
That echoes my reaction to The Last of Us 2
Every time I see a review on Velma, I can only think of that one scene with plankton and his brother, where, after his brother introduce plankton to all of the other plankton, plankton just went
“ALL RIGHT I GET IT!”
Exactly how I feel
Agreed. Also, screw the people who bully animators for being associated with the show. No matter how bad the show is, you have NO right to harass innocent people who are just doing their damn job!
Remember people if you're going to hate watch do it through piracy. Don't give these guys any of your money
That is how I did it for this show!
It still baffles me how shows that are straight up dumpster fire get season after season while underrated shows get cancelled
Good shows: get cancelled due to tax right offs
Bad shows: keep on getting seasons
I think people just don't understand that a lot of people just like this stuff.
It boggles my mind how any animated project gets shot down by David Zaslav, yet this pile of shit gets 3 seasons.
Just like how Disney is being run by I forgot his name, and he ruined
Two seasons.
I think my soul left my body when I was scrolling on Max and I saw that Velma S2 was trending
You can claim all kinds of things when you don't have to show the numbers
No matter how Mindy Kaling and the writers attempts at getting us mad, we will never be as insufferable or as hateful as them. We will always end up finding joy in life that they can never find.
She's just got links to higher-ups o
Did you even watch the video? The point is: the crowd already got mad, after which both boosted popularity of the show they hate AND harassed people working on it, while all those evil writers did is the textbook definition of ragebait.
tl;dr You are the problem
Except everyone is doing exactly that 😂 Just look at the comments. You might hate her but Mindy knows what she’s doing, people are still talking about the show after all this time 👀
Crazy how this show is so unoriginal and unfunny that they stole from the furst live-action Scooby-Doo film by making Scrappy the villain.
Which makes it hilarious to me when some people say to people hate this show cause it's different.
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly."
-Everyone @ Scrappy
Watching this video, i realized something. What if the entire point of Velma wasn't to say anything. What if the entire point of Velma's existence was to expose the outrage culture of the internet to the mainstream audiences and they do so by making all the characters just as insufferable as people on twitter... when at it from that perspective, everything makes too much sense.
OH MY GOD YOUVE CRACKED THE CODE!!!
Interesting theory
That actually makes a whole lot of sense. Although, I doubt the writers and the creator of the show are smart enough to do that on purpose.
In a word, No.
Mindy Kaling is that insufferable
@@osets2117 We'll never know if she was genuine.
Who knows, Mindy might have fooled the internet.
Scrappy killing Velma shows that we owe him an apology
Infinity train and all their other great shows died for this...
Final space as well
The idea that hate watchers is the reason for a season 2 seems stupid to me. I highly doubt that people who don't like what they are seeing from the trailer would watch the show through legit means.
Or watching more than a single episode. Look at Rings of Power, the majority of people didn't even watch past the first few episodes
Velma season 2 wasn't cause by hate watch, the reason was the show was fully finished for one 1 season but was split into 2 season by warner corpo.
Just because it seems stupid doesn't mean your opinion is correct. The show trended because everyone who watched it hated it and yes, people watched the entire season to find reasons to hate it. Hate watching is very real. The video literally shows this. Facts over feelings. I find it funny that haters of Velma can't accept the fact that they caused the show to have a second season.
@@coldfrost5 The season wouldn't have aired had there not been the massive hate response that gave the show publicity. If Velma flopped because no one watched it, they wouldn't have wasted money trying to publish a second season.
@@rileysjonger4192 batwoman got multiple seasons despite having absolutely atrocious viewing numbers and until WB releases the actual viewing numbers for Velma, which they won't do, we have no idea if they're actually lying about it's popularity, which I'm going to assume they are considering they didn't bother promoting the "second season" at all unlike the "first season" which got multiple social media posts. The video, which you're citing as a source, also stated "season 2" was already being made before "season 1" even finished releasing its 10 episodes so the idea that hate watching is responsible for this show getting a "second season" is flat out incorrect
PERFECT TIMING I JUST MICROWAVED MY FOOD
How's that food going after that toliet scene?
@@The_Banana_Boibad
I'm not suprised Velma got a second season. Sanjay & Craig had 3 seasons.
There's something called Teen Titans GO. How tf it's going on still bugs my mind.
@@shadmanhasan4205 because it got good
Sanjay & Craig is a masterpiece, how dare you.
@@shadmanhasan4205 Children. Children too young to know any better.
@WalkingJellyfish And what about Fanboy & Chum Chum?
Yeah I didn't think so.
Do you know that? Velma is the first show where everyone is happy about main character's death. In my entire life, I have never seen this once! This is an indicator of what a crap show this is.
What I will say it’s sad that these amazing animators are being wasted on projects that are built to be hated and not good yet they have amazing talent being wasted and the animators are doing amazing work on some of the scenes. What’s also scummy is that season 2 wasn’t a season 2 it was season, it was all season 1 that they only payed for but they split it in half after it had wrapped up, basically screwing over the animators and crew by not having to pay for two seasons.
They have no jobs because animation is dying
Its like that Simpson's treehouse of horror episode where they have to ignore the monsters to make them die, but everyone is Homer and doesn't fucking listen
just dont look. just dont look.
You seriously think Warner Bros. is telling the truth about Velma being the #1 streaming show on HBO and not lying to entice normies to get curious? And trending on social media doesn't mean everyone actually watched Velma because of one joke. A vast majority of people AREN'T watching this show, hate viewing or otherwise. Not enough for WB to make enough money to greenlight another season. Especially with the new WGA contracts.
Reached the top of the streaming charts again. Based on what? A shady companies numbers? Look at rings of power, most people didn't even get past the first episode let alone the entire series. For all we know those "numbers" are from people watching the first episode then dipping out as the entire season was available day one
Unfortunately that's still doesn't change the numbers for the people who would see them. I think it's similar to those shitty mobile game ads that are hard to close. Nobody downloads the games from those ads, if people really wanted to play some grindy game like Hero wars they would download it from one of those thousands invite codes, yet the ads still getting clicks. Usually due to the fact that you can't close the damm think, but the companies that make those ads (which btw isn't the same one's that make games. There is a reason why they all look nearly identical) could give bosses big numbers and show the "success" of the ads.
My favorite Thing to come out of the Velma Discourse were obviously Fake Screenshots of Velma making a Potshot against Wile E Coyote. I wish Cartoon Twitter would stop giving the most obvious Interaction Bait imaginable the Time of Day
The thing is, every time they make mention that "Velma is the top trending ORIGINAL ANIMATED (intentional emphasis) series", it can't NOT be. There was no competition.
When it first came out, the last Original Animated Series to come from Max was Santa Inc. (Ugh), and that was over a year prior.
This time around, there's, once again, no competition on Max. Nothing with a name behind out. The last series, that had any clout, was 'Fiona and Cake', aside from that, there were a few other series in 2023 (released after Velma, mind you) that pretty much flew under the radar, and none of which are even slated for renewal.
So, considering the IP, even being a horrible show, people will watch. Whether it's hate watching, curiosity watching, or, for some reason, non-ironic enjoyment of the series. But I don't think it's actually as many as the "Top Original Animated series" announcement is portraying it as.
To my understanding, the original contract with what'shername from the Office was for 2 seasons ( basically one season split in half) and one Halloween special.
As of right now, no changes to this timeline have been announced. Season 3 IS possible but it's more of a 50/50 right now.
Velma will most likely be resurrected during the Halloween special.
Note to self, never trust people not to hate watch.
Hate watching didn't do this
@@osets2117 No but it's giving it way more attention than it deserves
@@nazathelivingcorpse can't disagree with you as you're not wrong
@@nazathelivingcorpse can't disagree with you as you're not wrong
@@nazathelivingcorpsenegative attention doesn't last that long cuz people will forget about this show the next day or they watch a better show like mystery incorporated to cleanse the eyes
I think that the hatewatching causing Velma to continue airing narrative is a myth.
Most likely either WB had the season since last year and they wanted to air it to at least make something, or they wanted to continue the show because of messaging. It would have happened regardless.
I feel that people who complain about hatewatching only hate Velma because it's popular to hate Velma. They argue against hatewatching because they don't want you to know why Velma is a bad show because they don't think Velma is a bad show.
Playing the tadc outro music during the transitions was absolutely *brilliant* 🤣
Disparu explained how the viewing numbers were distorted and people weren’t hate watching it.
Hate views are a lie and "don't hate it or the company makes money and that's why it's made" is also a lie. These things lose money and no one is watching them besides youtubers who make videos about it, ask yourself why they are actually made and come up with serious answers
HOLY SHIT CARTOONSHI WITH SHADERS
“Clear financial success”
The “records” it broke had several caveats it was comical, it also doesn’t mean to much when half of those caveats are because the streaming service is relatively new and this is one of the first shows made for it.
The records at most would apply to the first episode, I saw people, reviewers even, say it was so vile and awful they couldn’t get passed the first episode.
The show was also commissioned with 2 seasons, just like Halo was, so a season 3 would be the only indication.
We also don’t have any of the shows actual numbers, so WB could just be lying about all of this for all we know.
@@brandonlyon730 They could, however, I'd sooner assume they're just stretching the truth cause they can get in serious legal trouble for lying. WB is a publically traded company, right, if they lie, they'd get sued instantly by the investers.
@@setriaphtfk208 True but it doesn't stop them from doing so, I believe Netflix has gotten into some legal trouble for lying about there numbers themselves. And since they are not showing the numbers to the public its impossible to tell of they truly telling the truth or not.
"ERM IT'S X NOW NOT TWITTER"
Oh excUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE me then. Xwittter.
@@infinityheart_tm9270WELL EXCUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE ME PRINCESS!
What I did when I found out about season two:
Deep sigh
Logged on
To watch the digital circus EP 2 premiere
Finally someone who's able to update their avatar stills without either, simplying it, chibifying it or making it flat out ugly.
Anyways, I was there to hate on the Velma when it first came out, but now I can't bring myself to give two shits that it's back. Who cares.
Whats wrong with chibifying avatars?
I hate what saber did to his. He made his into chibi when the square/angular shape was better.
@@JamesP7 agreed, he’s literally one of the examples I was thinking about when writing this.
It genuinely irks me that something like Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur - a vastly better show starring a female POC protagonist - pretty much fell under the internet’s radar entirely because both seasons happened to come out around the SAME time as both seasons of Velma.
But hey, rage-bait sells, am I right?
Velma was race swapped
@@skootergirl22for all intents and purposes
Black girl you mean right?
i like how streaming has now not only turned back into cable television AND turned into internet rage bait
fun times
How is thorn older if velma was going for a prequel angle?
When will people learn that, if they want to hate watch something, THEY SHOULD PIRATE IT!!!!
Holy cow, your new character art is so different and nice! It’s definitely going to take some getting used to for me.
GREAT VIDEO AGAIN like your new design BTW
I like that lil' jingle at the start for the Raycon sponsor. It reminds me of how old reuploaded AVGN videos start.
And Toonshi got an artstyle update to their cartoon avatar! Neat.
Hate watching may have made Velma somewhat of a success. But let’s face it, this show will die and fall into obscurity, while people will remember other iterations or years to come. Mystery Incorporated for example, is talked about and watched more because of Velma being a shot show.
Absolutely adoring the new design! HAXAD did an amazing job!
When the Internet needs him most to destroy Velma he has returned to strike it down
Hate watching did not help this show at all. It had a good *first* episode launch. I don't understand what the point of pretending this thing is successful is.
Even if a 3rd season is made, it still doesn’t prove the ratings picked up, because we know studios will renew shows just to save face even as they fail and fail and fail.
Don't believe me? Star Trek Beyond got 5 seasons. Where's the merch?
Not related to the video but your new sprites are amazing! I love them so much! Keep it up!
QUICK WATCH IT BEFORE IT GETS TAKEN DOWN
I'll be frank I think you worry too much. Sure that brought the buzz back but I still see considerably less Velma videos than last time. Heck I didn't even notice Velma season 2 had come out. I am pretty sure it's not getting a third season.
I like the new character stills you're using, very snazzy
Your new avatar looks great!
the Velma problem is that people give it attention, like with this video for exemple
or this comment boosting the video in the algorithm ironically.
the best we could've done with this show is ignore it, but we didn't and that is, at least partially, responsible for it's "success"
Tbh, Velma is everything wrong with Current day Hollywood.
Velma is still a Disgrace to Scooby Doo
so lucky! I discovered this splendid channel this morning by watching the video on the Welma series and now the 'sequel' comes out
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
Ever since the first season of this... thing came out, I've had one question: how? How do you do an adult version of Scooby-Doo badly? Shouldn't that be, like, the easiest thing to make interesting?
How is... hate watching even possible? Don't people get exhausted from feeling hate all the time? It's sad
It can be funny for like a couple episodes but I stop after that
"Don't people get exhausted from feeling hate all the time?" counter-point: Twitter
Props for using Persona 4 music a little past Halfway through the video. Warms my heart :)
The fact that season 2 was a part 2 to season 1 instead of a new season makes sense. The show was so bad there’s no way it would warrant a season 2, unless it was already planned.
I watched it wondering if it was as bad as I remember, and yes it was. But the artists did a wonderful job, but again the writing was the worst
Yay my favorite RUclipsr upload a video 🤩🤩
Coyote Vs Acme got scrapped for this?
11:00
No it was not.
No
To be fair the "record" was just for an Original, animated show on max.
I don't get the point of hatewatching. Are people that stupid?
From what I've heard this was supposed to be the second half of season 1 but they divided it into a 2 seasons probably for them to save money in production costs if true this could probably explain the short down time between and the reason why season 2 was so quickly green lit all I know for sure is that the previously most hated character from Scooby Doo is probably everyone's favourite from this show soley because he killed Velma
Big greedy companys... big greedy companys never change...
Love your new art looks super cute
Off topic but your new artwork for your character is so nice wow!
Theres a really good video by mj tanner that debunks this ridiculous hate watching rhetoric, AND the "records" people talk about.
She arrived at this conclusion by actually looking at the data, and its pretty illuminating. Id check it out.
honey wake up, a new video by weezer man came out
edit: wrote this before watching the video I did not expect a pinkerton reference at 2:37
Thank you! You’re like the first RUclipsr I’ve seen who’s pointed out that Scrappy being the surprise villain isn’t even an original concept in the Scooby Doo universe
Hey at least this would be worth the watch your video is better than the show itself
My sense of self worth comes from being early to RUclips videos 🥳🥳
Genuinely I‘m interested in a 3rd season. I just wanna see how much further downhill it can go.
Ok so i do have to say. I remembered this show VERY briefly the other day and qondered what ever happened to it so this video dropping and finding out theres a 2nd season gave me such whiplash i think i broke my neck
When season 1 was announced season 2 and a Halloween special were announced… can’t wait for people to Blame hate watching for the Halloween special
For the Thorn argument, there’s a difference between making a character older and making them unappealing like they went out of their way to make her look like a drug addicted.
Damn didn't even know this released. I love living under a rock.
My body knew even though i didt that it came out on my bday and was so appalled that i got so sick that i had to go home middle of the day when i went to school the next monday
This cartoon is just hate bait. They know we hate it, but people watch it out of morbid curiosity. I hate everything
Why do good TV Shows get cancelled but this sh*t gets more seasons
Ooo, loving the new avatar
And this phenomenon is called The streisand effect.
Mindy Kaling is the new Barbara Streisand.
The remakes are burned out
If I understand correctly, season 1 and 2 were actually one season broken up into two halves by WB in order to only pay for one season.
Warner Bros, please make like a Nintendo fan game and cease and desist.
“And I’m not a centrist either. This isn’t a muh both sides problem.”
Yea it is.
My man got an upgrade. New avatar and new artstyle hell yeah.