The worst thing about the terrible ending of Star vs the forces of evil is that this was planned from season 1, it wasn't made out of a rushed decision or because Disney forced them too. The creators thought it was a legit good idea to end the show that way.
It’s very much the same with How I met your Mother. And that was filmed during season 2. That’s the problem with shows that stretch out the one or two story threads they had
It's like if Gravity Falls built Bill Cipher up to be the main villain of the show, but then the writers get rid of him unceremoniously and then decided to have Toby Determined, the newspaper guy, as the main villain instead. That's how I would describe the awful final season of Star Vs.
It just leaves people feeling empty especially for people who follow a show since day one spending a long time following a show you feel like shit because a show you’re watching is ending but you feel more like shit because it had a shit ending
The ending is literally the most important part of any piece of media, you can fundamentally fuck up a story and its entire themes and messaging in one scene, one sentence really.
Steven universe had bad seasons before the nad ending, same for star vs. It is just that the ending cements it. You can often see red flags popping up. I liked mlp as a show but the finalies always sucked. Friendschip lazer goes boom was always the ending. This was because the writters honestly could not handle long overarching plots. A lot of good shows with bad endings have the same problem. Episodic they are good but they are just bad at writting long term with an endgoal in mind.
its for everything really but its understandable. The entire buildup in every media is to the ending. If the ending fails, so does everything else. Its why 2/3 of a movie can be mediocre but if the last third brings it back it washes all the bad away. Its also the thing you will remember the longest due to psychology.
@@duyngo7697 nah the whole premise was fucked from the start , the sword randomly dissapearing from the chasm like that just does not happen only because jack got angry lol.
@@YonkaLmaoI agree. It's not a bad ending by any means, but that specific point seems shoehorned in and should have been built up. It should've been hinted at.
I personally think that Gravity Falls is one of the best shows of all time, animated or live-action. It’s literally an animated version of Twin Peaks and i love it 😻
To be fair, Star didn't kill "millions", she potentially killed an infinite amount of people considering infinite universes. If half of the universes survive on magic, half of infinity is still infinity, so those universes being destroyed means every living being in those universes were killed by Star.
I always found the needing to end magic thing kinda dumb. I understand what they were going for. They were tryna get star to sacrifice something very close to her and that being the magic. The issue isbthe implications and logistics
@@Mewdo45 A better way to handle it tbh would be to have her sever the ties between the regular world and magic. I know it wouldn't work with the idea of Toffee corrupting magic itself but neither did the writers HAVE to write themselves into a corner.
Gravity Falls and Avatar the Last Airbender had great endings. Fairly Oddparents felt like it could have ended with Channel Chasers, and Danny Phantom felt like it could have ended with the Ultimate Enemy, just with Danny revealing his identity to his parents. It genuinely does feel like a bad finale can really poison the well.
especially since dark danny was basicly the ultimate villain. possibly defeated paraih dark, was irredemable, is considered the most powerful enemy danny has ever faced since its a stronger version of him
I agree that Bojack Horseman is one of the few rare shows with a good season finale. While there were a few arcs that I wished got more fleshed out (ex. Princess Carolyn-Judah relationship, Todd-mom conflict), the show still ended on a good note!
Fully agree! I especially like the fact that it had a (kind of) happy ending. Yes, Bojack goes to jail, but he is alive and also gets a chance to finally make a change for the good. I always felt (and feared) that things would end worse for him.
@@dazedandconfused5711PC and Judah are a perfect match in my opinion. All throughout PC’s life she expected a relationship to be loud and crazy but after finally being satisfied with what she has, Judah confessed his love and PC can see that love can be easy and beautiful. Idk I think they’re great I will always defend them!
Fun fact about Teen Titans ending: The show was originally going to have 4 seasons and the Trigon arc was meant to be the series finale but the show got renewed for the fifth season for it's popularity. Edit: It's even funnier the similar situation happened with TMNT 2012. That show like Teen Titans was supposed have 4 seasons and name of the both season 4 finales is "The End" ( Owari means The End in English ) but Nickelodeon renewed TMNT 2012 for the fifth season. Edit again: Also Ciro Nieli the creator of TMNT 2012 is one of the directors of Teen Titans original.
Gravity Falls, Avatar TLA and Over the Garden Wall to this day have the best endings in animation history. They're simple, concise and wrap up the main plots perfectly with just enough left over to warrant a continuation. It pains me that not a lot of writers don't take notes from these shows.
Rise of the TMNT managed to change its entire online reputation from "Teen Titans Go knockoff with cool fight scenes" to "Amazing show that got axed too soon" solely due to the ending. Iirc the movie made its way onto Netflix's top 10 for a bit, which is a pretty insane accomplishment for a show that was disliked by audiences and hidden away by its network
@@Commenter839 That is very true, RotTMNT was surprisingly better than I'd thought it was gonna be. In all honesty there are other shows that not only had really great endings but were also great throughout thwir runs: TF Prime, TMNT 2012, Star Wars TCW, just to name a few. Tbh the three that I mentioned were just ones that really stood out to me (Could've listed more if I gave it a hard enough thought tbf 😅)
@benpodvia5744 It's weird how Spongebob and South Park are the few to make full use of getting movies. We Bare Bears, My Little Pony, Simpsons, and Bob's Burgers *had* movies, but they all felt utterly beneath the series they were movies of.
imagine how EASILY they could make a less shit ending for star just by making the magical characters not DIE and just... turned into a non-magical version of themselves or something
Everything about the ending was a mess. Star and Marco were always meant to end up together, yet they failed to create a good enough chemistry between the two of them to justify this outcome. Star ends up being an unsympathic and selfish character, who kinda cheats on one of her love interests and decides that destroying all magic (and thus kinda committing a genocide, the very same thing that Toffee was capitally punished for trying to do before) is the only right thing to do. Mina gets away unpunished. Some magical characters (like Heckapoo) die after the destruction of magic and some simply turn "normal" (like Ponyhead and the laser puppies). One death is even used as a cheap joke. The whole thing about Marco living in the magical world for a while, growing an adult there, yet being in a relationship with a minor character later on, was a very strange decision. Events that have no effect on anything, like Marco's stab wound in the final battle he actively hides, yet is never being brought up again. The whole fusion of the two worlds and the chaos that comes with it being shown for roughly ten seconds before the screen turns black for good. Seasons 1 and 2 of this show were really good. Nowhere near perfect, but still a good fun to watch. In the end it crashed and burned.
I feel like even then they never did a good job at even giving us any sort of good buildup or foreshadowing of why Star suddenly decided magic was even bad to begin with in the first place so it still felt kinda out of nowhere... The fact that they made her a hypocrite knowing that Toffee wanted to destroy magic as well obviously doesn't help though
@@EinFritzMitXone thing i always hated is that when the goat guy (I’m sorry i forgot the name) died. It had consequences. It was treated like a big thing, he had a funeral. But when all of them died for no reason, its all a funny joke. Like they weren’t people who never chose to be magic and them dying was easily avoidable. The ending was complete utter garbage
Former SVTFOE fanfic writer here (was heavily involved in the fandom back in the day and my stories about the show have 300k+ reads) and all I can say is that the show started going to shit halfway through season 2. I initially got Nefcy's (the show's creator) attention on Tumblr back in the day (she upvoted several artists who wrote fanfiction or made art, and it was no secret that she was following the more popular ones) since I had initial praise for the show in season 1 and partway through season 2. However, as soon as I started pointing out glaring flaws the show had and openly mocking some of the plot elements, character arcs, overall bad pacing and nonsensical subplots, etc. I got blocked by her and the people involved with the show, not to mention that the fandom quickly became a hive of shippers willing to attack one another over nonsense. For example, there were certain shipping weeks where people who were fans of certain ships could contribute art and stuff, and I remember being commissioned to write prompts for a few of them (you'd be surprised how much people are willing to pay for you writing about their favourite ship...) and getting attacked for it. For example, Jarco (Jackie+Marco) and Starco (Star+Marco) were the two 'main' ships for the longest time. I honestly didn't care either way and just wrote stuff for both, and when I contributed to the Jarco week, I got actual death threats sent by Starco fans and vice versa. Needless to say, I quit Tumblr since I was the site going to hell, and I stopped writing SVTFOE fanfics altogether since the fandom had become insufferable, and the show's writing only made it worse since 90% of it had become shipper fanservice instead of storytelling.
@@isauldron4337 Thanks for the concern, but I found it funny/sad more than anything else. I remember making a post that simply stated "Ship whoever you want, to each their own" and got told to slit my throat by some radical Starco shipper, lol
Back then when I used twitter before getting suspended and leaving for good, I got blocked by adam mcarthur (VA of marco) for saying how much the show has sucked since half bit of S2 to S4 on a tweet talking about the current state of the show lmfaooo
@@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN Yeah. The whole crew was incapable of taking objective criticism; like, I wasn't belittling them of anything, just pointing out nonsensical plotlines and character arcs, how certain ships made absolutely no sense (the KellyxMarco one that was canon for a total of 1 episode until they broke up OFF SCREEN, like wtf), and other stuff. It's really sad because after season 1, I was convinced the show had the potential to become one of the best cartoons created in recent years, only for incompetence to ruin it all.
@@jureb2278 tried to elaborate to adam on why the show was going downhill, this was mainly on daron and the team working on the show, not him and the rest of the voice actors, but neither the less he still blocked me anyways lmao
Well no this more on the line you all want to kill my friends and everyone in my country? Uno-reverse Card i kill all of you instead. Also Eren does not see himself as a hero and really had only bad choices left. And another important two story that do end in the same way can be really different. Hell i even think that (if he will ever write the damn last two books) that GoT Book ending will be close to the series ending (danny dead, brann king, jon beyond the wall etc.) but the way to it will be different.
@@MrDeflador the fact the story portrays genocide as the only solution to racism is kinda dumb. The allies didnt had to kill every single german person, only their government officials.
I feel like the ending to Star Vs would have worked if Toffee had remained the main villain of the series and been the one responsible for destroying magic. It could worked perfectly as his final revenge against Star and her family.
Having the villain "won" in the end would sometimes worked well if done well within the themes and setups of the show. (Examples from various media : Infinity War, Rogue One, The Mist, Arlington Road, Halo Reach, Bionicle, Cyberpunk Edgerunner, Zeta Gundam)
I’m so glad I’m not alone when it comes to Danny’s friends being assholes. I currently rewatched the series and I couldn’t believe how negatively they reacted towards him or tried to take advantage of his powers.
Even choosing to watch it with a fresh pair of eyes, it is really hard to watch after the first 10 or so episodes. His friends are all assholes, the evil route of future Danny was the right choice
I'm currently watching Danny Phantom, and I cannot stand his friends, especially Sam. Atleast with Tucker, I can just say he's annoying, but Sam has been shown to be a massive hypocrite and mostly in the wrong but us rarely called out.
If this video doesn’t randomly change subjects, abandon every previous plot point and end abruptly im gonna be extremely disappointed for the lack of cohesion.
1. Make a really interesting show raising lots of questions 2. Ruin it with obnoxious shipping and fan service 3. Ignore interesting ideas and plot elements 4. Create the least satisfying ending possible by raising more questions
@Dave102693 you are right, at least the lore on steven universe and star vs the forces of evil can be follow but those two are so convoluted and prolonged that fans I feel give up and just enjoy their not thanks to it but in spite of it
I really think one of the biggest missteps in the Samurai Jack ending is the fact that him and Ashi just leave. Like I understand they had little time in the original writing, but I feel like it would have been incredibly poetic to have Jack with the help of his friends over the years kill future Aku, have everyone say their goodbyes, then Jack goes into the past to fight him one on one. It always just felt weird to me they bothered to bring everyone back but never let them say a proper goodbye, even if it was like a few words from the more notable characters
more the misstep that ending has been done before Gurren Lagann had same ending, same thing happen to Simon, that happen to Jack, personally it was good way to end series it was more bitter sweet ending for Jack, at lease he's at peace at the end. At lease Jack isn't wondering around like bum like Simon, i was not fan how Gurren ended, way creator Samurai jack did it, was better, yes stupid she stayed a live that long, as soon he took down Aku she should of disappeared right after he died.
According to the showrunners, the true ending is the secret unlockable ending in the Samurai Jack video game that came out in 2020 in which Ashi doesn't disappear because of a time paradox. Take that as you will.
The show shouldn't have had him return to the past at all. Over the course of his adventures he has had multiple opportunities to return to the past, but each time refused because to leave would have been dishonorable. If he knew that killing Aku would destroy the future he would have stayed in the future and helped to rebuild the world, and wider universe, alongside Ashi. Either that or write a time travel = multiverse creation mechanic instead of running off a single prime timeline so he doesn't murder more people than Aku could dream of killing.
@@MonochromaticPrism Yeah, the ending should have been Jack being confronted with the hard truth that he can't go back. It would have tied the series together with a message supported by all of the previous episodes: You can't change the past, you can only improve the future. End it with Jack marrying Ashi, and living with the friends he made in the future, freed from his ageless curse, and expecting a child with Ashi. Looking forward to the good things he can still bring into the world.
Fun fact! SVTFOE's final episode and GOT's final episode aired on the same day! I don't know why that day specifically was cursed to give us such awful finales but it is what it is.
And Queen Moon randomly switching to the dark side coincided with Daenerys randomly torching King's Landing. It was truly an awful time to be a fan of both.
What's funny is that ATLA's ending was also (somewhat) controversial, but it sorta made sense taking into account Aang's worldview. Let's be real, that wasn't the first time we saw a last minute anime power up (not even the first time it was thematically appropiate either).
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe I'm yet to meet a person who HATED the ending, some people just wanted to change little things about it. For instance; I think the lion turtle should have been hinted at throughout the third season and not just at the end out of nowhere and they could've done it from S3E1 when Aang was laying unconscious on Crescent Island, just a tease for a few seconds of a mysterious island (lion turtle) in the sea and some ominous music in the background, Aang gets up without saying anything looking like he might just swim to the island when suddenly he snaps out of it when the rest of the Gaang shows up like in the episode and the mysterious island is no longer there while Aang although confused brushes it off. And then they could have done it again in "Nightmares and Daydreams" when there is already crazy shit happening the mysterious island shows up again and Aang actually starts walking towards it but he snaps out of it again by... anything really (in that episode anything could happen). You intrigue the viewers and then when the mysterious island shows up for the third time, as it did in "Sozin's Comet 1", you feel excitement and tension because Aang finally sets off to the island that you have waited to found out about since the start of the season. Just my opinion, still 10/10 show.
Summer Camp Island had one of the best endings to any cartoon and I wish more people talked about it. Its entire last season was an ending and they really gave the show a proper send-off
TBF the final season is only just now about to air in America and even the foreign airings haven't made the rounds online. And I actively tried to find them.
Yeah . I feel the same when i read mangas. These mangakas have to write _and_ draw their story and its a lot of work. I dont think many use any outlines
Not to mention that over the course of the years it takes for the manga to finish, the authors might just be completely burnt out or uninterested with the story. Even ignoring potential corporate meddling, Jujutsu Kaisen, despite being hugely successful has been on a downhill slope. Little room to breathe, the main character has basically be relegated to a side character, and plot points are getting wrapped up faster than you can say manga.
Princess Tutu is a rare example of an otherwise average anime that was elevated to masterpiece status solely by its ending. Honestly love how the universe doesn't bend over backwards to give the main character a happily ever after, but it isn't a "dark" or "grim" ending either.
Plus that’s not including the deteriorating condition of mangakas. Pushing out chapters each week and expecting it to still have such great art. I mean just think about what slouching over a desk drawing for so long does to you back, neck, and wrist. And they still have executives watering down their vision and a company running them like a sweatshop. In all honesty if there’s people that have an *excuse* for having bad endings it’s definitely mangakas
The last episode of Teen Titans might have been very frustrating to the fans, I still remember the finale as being very poignant. Ending with the message that things inevitably change and you don’t always get a resolution is a crazy note for a cartoon to end on, but it’s remained one of the most memorable and impactful episodes of any series I watched growing up.
I honestly really love the Gumball ending because of the meta commentary it has, especially because of the network it's in. I feel like the entire episode is lampooning the whole "Live Action is in, Cartoons are out" era that CN had at one point, or just the dominance of Live Action remakes in cinema and television. I guess i just think it's cool how the ending may be intentionally abrupt, with things not being resolved properly, because, as this list proves, that's something that can happen to a cartoon show with no warning, and to take that existential horror into the cartoon itself where the characters don't know it's gonna happen, it's kinda genius, in my opinion.
There is a movie and another season being made so he probably should give it some leeway because the pandemic happened and everything is still slow and writers strike things like that
I feel like when it comes to Butch Hartman shows, The Fairly Oddparents should have ended with Channel Chasers, Wishology, or Meet the Oddparents; and Danny Phantom should have ended with The Ultimate Enemy.
Steve Marmel and the writers that were axed or left after season 2 made the show as good as it was, ironically Butch putting his hands on his own creations is the worst curse any of "his" shows eventually experience. They planted all the seeds that culminated into Ultimate Enemy and were very willing to go further, deeper, darker... Nickelodeon was too conservative to advertise or merchandise it properly despite stellar ratings and reviews, and wanted Butch to finish, who either by some pressure or by being barely involved in the writing for the show's lifetime, quickly and really learn into the YTV7 demographic (which is wild since Avatar was aired by this point and it was considerably more mature), and thus resulted in the very average superhero show that disregarded a majority of the lore and mechanics of the world. Steve made it clear he left due to "creative differences" and his ideas for DP were to eventually tackle more mature themes. It's a shame it didn't. The graphic novel was a better story than almost all of Season 3... A sequel to Ultimate Enemy would be an appropriate ending.
@@bch7905Meanwhile in terms of OddParents, if we take the word of Hartman seriously (which I'm not sure we can fully do), it was cancelled five separate times, meaning it was brought back four separate times. We know that one of the cancellations was after its fifth season (ending on the third Jimmy Timmy which also marked the end Jimmy Neutron). I also believe, based on past comments by Hartman and episode release gaps that the show was cancelled twice again following its eigth season (which funnily enough concluded with Meet the OddParents) and ninth season (which ended with Man's Worst Friend). In terms of the writing, the show similarly suffered a writing exodus after season 5 with Marmel (who was story editor as well as a key writer) departing as well as the likes of Jack Thomas (co-story editor of S4-5 and writer who became executive producer in The Replacements), Cynthia True (who went to co-create the Mighty B), and the temporary departure of Dave Thomas. Much of Season 6 was written by Hartman, Scott Fellows (who became co-executive producer and Marmel's replacement as the story editor), and Sullivan. The season after that I believe planted the seeds to the show's catastrophic downfall as Fellows left, Hartman largely stopped doing writing (or at least credited writing) and Hartman hired a new writing team consisting of the likes of Ray DeLaurentis (the story editor for the rest of the show and a figure not too regarded by many within animation), Ed Valentine, and Will Schifrin. It was under Ray and the S7-10 writing staff (which changed over time) that much of the most despised changes and episodes of the show came around.
@@MASTEROFEVIL yup! And without Hartman's influence, so it felt like a natural progression and tried to "fix" some plot points so they either had closure or left it open for more content while keeping a fairly similar style of the TV series. There are some issues I still have but I think people are always gonna be critical, plus it's not like the GN had a spectacular ending to source from...
If you want to see a cartoon's ending that definitely was the fault of it getting canceled/finished, yet it didn't felt rushed at all, look at the O.K. K.O. ending, it wasn't a big final battle against some evil or tried to conclude everything, it was a simple goodbye to us, watchers, and it directly thanks us for watching, not the best ending, but definitely a wholesome one
Ok KO is a case where it's final episode is good, but the finale to the story was rushed as hell and just overall lost the stakes it built up. Season 2 of the show also had that issue. They both should've been given one more season to let the story play itself out better
If the game's tied and the goalie misses the last ball, that's it; the whole team is a failure. Sure, it's the goalie's fault, but he brings the ship down with him, intentional or not.
I can honestly accept Wishology as an ending. To me, Channel Chasers is the perfect ending, while Wishology is the point of no return. Like now that you put it out, STOP. Shut it down.. Get out of the vehicle and walk away. End it, here and now. ...they didn't stop. They kept going. It's been pure garbage from that point onward.
Steven re-fusing with his "gem persona" was animated by James Baxter if anyone was curious. He's always brought in by famous animator studios for special parts they think need his recognized fluidity
I still rewatch that movie occasionally, it gets me everytime. Incredibly well-written, I'm so happy the Eds got that treatment - they're one of my favorite childhood cartoons and the quality of their last movie definitely adds to that
pretty much, i didn't hate ending of Danny Phantom, but i agree with statements and he didn't have much chemistry with childhood friend, he was better off staying with the black girl.
Adventure Time is probably one of the best examples of a good ending to its story. Wrapping up everyone's conflicts and while still hinting the future for them. Additionally, releasing "Obsidian" to wrap up the fan service with what happened with Marceline and PB was a good move. But the cheery on top is "Together Again", perfect way to bring everyone back in the show, dead or alive have their last part in the episode. Perfect way to tie loose ends and give the two brothers a final goodbye. As far as I know it was cancelled/rushed or anything like that so that might be the reason why it did the finale so perfect.
I'm probably in absolute minority, but i think AT ending (i mean "real" ending for Finn) is really toxic for kids. I mean we saw Finn living his whole life after Jack death alone, and only thing he cared after realizing he's dead too, is that he's able to meet Jack again. Yeah, they go onto "infinite" Adventure later, but it's a Cartoon - imagine telling kids that if their best friend\fatherly figure dies, it's OK to spend rest of their life earning for them, instead of actually living their lives.
I definitely agree with the point that while the concept of Steven finally snapping after being used like a doormat is interesting, execution is what matters. Having him take his frustration out on his loved ones in a moment of stress is ALSO interesting, but stuff like that should be used more sparingly to enforce the feeling of "whoa, that's not like Steven, is he doing okay?".
Yeah I think the two major problems, for me anyway, were: 1. Monster Steven had no impact or weight to the action (like you said execution) like throughout the season we were beginning to see the sheer destructive potential of stevens powers and now, when he becomes a colossal corrupted kaiju, he does nothing more than stand around and scratch at some rocks, no weight, no impact or feel for the danger 2. It felt like the writers were actively forcing the story go in that direction and making the characters act in a certain way rather than how’d they act to get it to happen. Like Ruby and sapphire suddenly diffusing and acting like they always do that or Greg show no sympathy to the trauma Steven gone through when previously he has had panic attacks hearing how much danger Steven went through. The writers made those events happened/characters act that way so they could tell the story of Steven isolating himself and becoming a monster (it’s a forcing a square block in a round hole scenario)
Sure, but "I Am My Monster" is still a fantastic episode that nails the themes of the show perfectly. It's also the highest rated episode of SU:F. The haters just make it out to be way worse than it is, just like the haters did throughout SU's lifespan.
@AngryNerdBird The episode isn't bad, but I wouldn't call it one of the best. I do think it's one of the best in Future, but that's a low bar because Future is kinda bad in my opinion.
Honestly I would have rathered they mix stevens personal struggles with a gem rebellion. It would be ironic and interesting to see Steven become the authority he spent hes entire life fighting. In the movie he already learned that you can't have a happily ever after, so seeing how hed react to this on full effect would be cool, in my opinion. Wed get to see fan favorite villians that aren't demoted to one one off episodes
Fun fact: Teen Titans was originally supposed to end with season 4, which makes sense because of how it was set up, with having Trigon, who is best known as one of the toughest and the most powerful villain the titans have to face; being the main antagonist, Slade coming back as the secondary antagonist, having the season being loosely based on the Terror of Trigon storyline, and the last three episodes of season four is literally called “The End”. After the season ended, CN renewed it for a fifth season because of the series’ popularity.
And there will always be Voltron legendary defender who's ending was so bad it managed to make every single person involved in shipping wars agree on something
Except for the reason why it was bad. So there’s one part who thinks it’s bad only because their ship didn’t become canon. Which isn’t why the ending was bad
Forcing Steven's family to be neglectful and oblivious isn't just infuriating for the character assassination. It even teaches a bad lesson. Kids and adults should know that a panic attack or mental breakdown can occur even when your family and friends are loving and attentive.
Steven's family was always sort of neglectful since the beginning and they didn't exactly know how to care for a human so it wasn't character assassination.
they were like that from the first episode what are you blabbering about we see many times in the first season how steven was often left behind while wanting to go with them and they would leave for random time intervals
@@sirpheredin1379so basically ignore every time this was shown in the first season and act butt-hurt and say it’s character assasination when it’s always been there
A lot of people meme on Kirby of the Stars/Kirby: Right back at ya, but the show actually pulled off it's finale really well. It ran for 100 episodes and devoted the last 5 to being sort of a movie-like finale event. It raised the stakes in those episodes, it had the big bad in the background finally show up and get defeated, and then it ended on a 'life goes on, but not in a corny way' note. For a show that was basically monster of the week with occasional reoccuring characters and story arcs, it really pulled it off.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 That was a big problem with fights in the show in general, they followed the formula of "Kirby gets an ability and *immediately* wipes out the threat with no proper fight." It's pretty disappointing that it extended to Nightmare himself, though, especially since the Star Rod got no proper buildup
@@Ah0yKatiefor what it is, I think it's at least neat that Kirby defeats him with something that was with him the whole time instead of idk, something that falls from the ceiling randomly
@@bluedemontr-whisperofwind-2296 Yeah, but the Warp Star's connection to the Star Rod is never foreshadowed, nor is the Star Rod given any of the lore or buildup it has in the games. It just feels like it's shoved in there last-minute because "this was his weakness in the games", it's sloppy and unfulfilling. When the video game with like ten lines of text total gives more lore to the Star Rod than the 100-episode TV series, that's an issue.
@@Ah0yKatie Tbf, I'm pretty sure they just assumed the kids would think, "Hey, it's a big star ship thingie, now It's a small star rod!" And it *did* work, to be honest. But, Kirby: Right Back at Ya did have It's own lore that It could've expanded upon and didn't for the sake of keeping the train going, (Like the Fire God that Made Galaxia.), I do not agree with it being shoved in though, It's quite fulfilling to see Kirby finally getting a weapon, made from something in his past, being able to defeat someone that was nigh-untouchable until then, no?
In recent years Rise of the TMNT was very satisfying to me. The show was canceled in the middle of production on s2. But they still had the movie. So the crew did an amazing job, both visually and story wise. Gravity Falls and Transformers Prime are the ones that live on in my memory to this day. I just love when the show lets the characters be. There’s a whole world that they can explore off camera. It doesn’t matter if we revisit them or not.
I don’t know if anyone else here watched it, but there was a Canadian cartoon called detentionaire that ran for 4 seasons and was such an amazing , plot driven show. It got cancelled and ended on a cliffhanger. The plan was to bring it to Cartoon Network to gain an American audience but CN basically screwed the show over by showing episodes out of order, with missing episodes. The show wasn’t picked wup by the US due to low views since it aired out of order. It’s unfortunate because it’s such an amazing show and the creators had plans for 8 seasons too. It’s gained some popularity in recent years and episodes can be found on RUclips
PLEASE i was obsessed with detentionaire as a child and in the modern day. its so unfortunate that such a visually interesting show with such a compelling plot got shafted. Unfortunately since the show is canadian its very unlikely we'll get a clone high or samurai jack-esque continuation/conclusion to it, but i still spread propaganda regardless
I think that's the craziest part about how SVTFOE ended The fact that it wasn't canceled. This wasn't a rushed ending. There wasn't production issues they didn't have to scramble to get the ending out. This was PLANNED. This was apparently how they wanted this story to end and that's what baffles me and probably everybody else Hell, we've seen Disney cancel one of their more successful shows The Owl House had a NIGHTMARE production because of Disney Having episodes constantly leaked behind the creator's backs, Getting canceled and losing their final season, only getting three 40 minute "specials" to wrap up the story But despite that, Dana and her AMAZING team managed to give us a much more satisfying ending!
@@cloudlion1610 do you have a source? because that's not what I've seen so I would love to look more into it (I'm not accusing you of lying or anything btw sorry if it comes off that way. Im just genuinely curious)
@kykycupcake1 ig they're talking about the stvfoe book which showed an entirely different climax to the story. Apparently everything from the book was scrapped since you can find any of it's contents in the show
@@uu2379 oh right! I remember hearing something about that. Including a totally different end villain? Wasn't it toffee's mentor or something? Maybe not his mentor but it was someone from his species right? The only issue is the series writers knew from the beginning how many episodes they'd be getting. Because again they weren't canceled, So what I think maybe happened was plans changed as the series aired? Because I also heard that they became more invested in the shipping wars than the actual plot (And if you watch the show it's pretty obvious that that's what happened)
Ponyhead was an extremely poisonous friend that I cannot imagine anyone liking (like the worst of Patrick's characterization in awful Spongebob episodes). The showrunner said she was based on her best friend irl so that is a yikes from me. Guess she likes having that kind of person around given how Ponyhead never learned any lesson, or was written with the intention of having lessons to learn. I'll never understand the show's fascination with Lars and trying to redeem him. They eventually just killed him and replaced him with a completely different character with the same name too, so that was a bust.
Tom, one of the show's most beloved characters, was essentially a combination of all of Daron's ex-boyfriends and she intended to make him unlikeable. Also I heard that Star and Marco's relationship was based on her relationship with her husband.
@@hyrulehero2773 If that was her intention, they should have ended the show in season 1. Not write Tom into an eventually likeable person who cleaned up his act.
Yeah, i wish it got more chance to shine in season 3. It was an amazing show, and disney cancelled it and then regretted their decision after they realised how popular it was.
I will forever maintain that Ashi should have been a student/daughter figure to Jack, someone he felt responsible for as a mentor/pseudo-dad. And yes, have her die/disappear the moment she collapsed. Then cut to Jack reuniting with his family and rebuilding his kingdom, happy but bittersweet.
The age gap made me very uncomfortable. He’s seventy five in the fifth season and she’s only eighteen. Plus I’m a sucker for a good mentor and student relationship :)
I'm gonna come clean here. As much as I love Genndy Tartakovsky and his works, if there was one thing I believe is his Achilles' Heel, it's trying to wrap up his shows. Samurai Jack Season 5 and Primal Season 2's finales have issues of rushing throw their stories just to reach their conclusions and Unicorn Warriors Eternal could follow in their footsteps is he isn't careful this time.
The issue I had with the ending of Primal season 2 was that it should have dug deep into Spear and Mira's relationship so that the ending felt more earned. Despite that, I still enjoyed it.
@@toon4thoughtMy issue was how the Colossus episodes shouldn't have been 3 full fledged eps considering how one of them was just reusing the same animations while introducing nothing to the series other than "the ruler of the giant boat is evil".
I didn't know Gennedy retconned the season 5 ending, but it honestly makes me happy he did. I'm a sucker for shipping and so I was happy to see Jack and Ashi together, though it was still rushed. My deal was that Jack fought so hard for so long to get home and now that he's home, he's not aloud to have a happy ending. Props to Gennedy for retconning that.
The Steven universe diamonds thing could’ve been worked around if they showed white diamond as a manipulative abusive monster who was constantly harming the other diamonds for the sake of her own ego and narcissistic goals. Make the other diamonds victims and show how victims can just as easily become abusers themselves. Make pink diamond a victim too who tried to make things better but due to her own fractured view of reality. Sometimes people can’t be helped, sometimes people are just monsters, and sometimes trauma makes people ugly and hurt others.
i think that became a balance of makign the gems both quite human yet also not that human. To be a truly manipualtive monster, their culture woudl had needed a precidence of famililial structure that could lead to that. Instead it was sapient beings behaving like they were supposed to be machines. Honestly what was implied yet never answered, is that they ARE machines, magical machines, but they grew more and more sentient as time went on and didn't know how to contend with it.
The other problem is this; the show’s victims of abuse are usually quiet and, because the show is focused entirely on Steven rather than those who had been hurt by the diamonds, it really has that white saviour complex. So when he’s talking the diamonds down, they become goofy aunts that are awkward to be around at Thanksgiving because she’s too powerful to beat and they’re still in power, it does come across as rather… naive.
@@taddad2641 My assumption was they were a sort of AI embedded in crystalline structures (I think there was an article about the possibility from around the time the show would have been in development, but feel free to check me on that), possibly created by Sneeple of some sort. You can JUST ABOUT make it work if you assume White Diamond was following programming... but it still would fall short.
@@Dave102693 thank you. It’s also a not really discussed point that the reason they need to get the diamonds on their side is because they need them to combine their powers as the only way to help the corrupted and (eventually) shattered gems become almost normal. As there’s no other way to do it. So, like in legend of Korra… the only way to heal is provided by the abuser. Gotta say… that’s pretty messed up.
While not technically a "series" finale, the season 5 ending for Miraculous (the one that wraps up the entire main premise of the show from seasons 1-4) fits on this list perfectly.
Miraculous Ladybug really seemed to wanna give Star a run for its money on how bad they could make an ending. Unfortunately Star had an edge, since at least Gabriel didn't commit a genocide. I've heard the movie is a much better take on things now that Astruc isn't involved, so I actually wanna give it a shot. Maybe we can get a separate movie continuity where they don't butcher Chloe's character arc and turn every other character into a superhero
Miraculous has such an amazing concept, it’s really such a shame they fumbled the bag with its execution. It is my favorite show to hatewatch, the two MCs are horrible stalkers lol
@@Commenter839 the movie definitely treats chloe significantly better than astruc does in the main series, so you'll definitely enjoy it more than the actual show
as someone who basically worshipped SVTFOE as a kid, I remember how my heart sank with that ending, not because it was impactful or amazing but because it was incredibly garbage
Amphibia actually had the guts to execute its consequences. The characters knew from the very start that their time together was limited, and they went through with it. It even leaves space for a possible continuation.
It’s also the most sadly realistic ending. Because as much as you try to resist it, change is inevitable, but you need it to live a full life. And as long as you remember those times, they’ll never really be gone. “Change is difficult; but it’s how we grow. It can be the hardest thing to realise that you can’t hold on to something forever- sometimes, you have to let go. But of the things you let go, you’d be surprised what makes it’s way… back to you.”
Agree on *Teen Titans* ending being Tolerable. I like the theme of Accepting *Things Change* but the episode feels like it left many things open. Like Slade didn’t need to be in the last episode, it felt like “Look at the shows most popular villain one last time”. But I love that *Beast Boy* kinda won against him.
are you insane?! how is a cliffhanger tolerable? it's not,it makes me sad every single time watch that episode that we could've gotten season 6,season 6 could've been the finale,but noooooooo CN had to be jackasses and cancled it,giving us a cliffhanger for all eternity to make us depressed that we will *NEVER* know what happens next and you call it tolerable? such a cartoon hater
@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks I don't think it was a cliffhanger. People who say that are probably missing the point of the episode. Its about growing up, and moving on from the past. Things Change.
What I don't like about it is how vague it is. How did Terra get freed from her petrification? Did the White Monster have something to do with it? Why doesn't she have powers anymore? Did she use them up trying to stop the lava flow or did she suppress them? Can she really not remember anything or is she pretending not to remember out of guilt over her actions? If Terra isn't her name anymore then what is it? How the hell was she able to safely remove that suit Slade put on her that was connected to her nervous system? I get that they want to bring an end to the Beast Boy/Terra relationship but did they have to do in a fashion that raises more questions than answers? To quote GamingSins: "Details, people. They ARE important"
The other terrible thing about the samurai Jack ending is that due to Ashi needing to fade away due to time travel, this means that everyone who jack met throughout the years of the entire show either is doomed in their timeline since Aku was never defeated, OR nobody in that timeline "ever existed" and thus every time jack decided to save others instead of returning home, it was all for nothing since they were going to disappear anyway. So either way Jack Doomed that timeline and everyone in it is dead.
I genuinely like the idea of Samurai Jack ending on a sad note where Jack ends up losing the one person who was able to claim his heart, but the way they went about it was really bad. The simple change of Ashi dying in Jack's arms right after he kills Aku, leading to that beautiful scene of Jack standing alone under the cherry blossom tree would be a powerful message that not all heroes get the girl, and sometimes winning against the villain has a cost that can't be avoided.
Credit to The Owl House for not losing its marbles wrapping up its loose ends in a respectable manner for the characters, in wake of Disney wanting to sniff out its flame
I think the BEST cartoon ending is adventure time. They left it just the right amount of ambiguous to bring it back in different mediums but also tied the building plot into a nice bow and serve it to us perfectly.
This ending infuriates me every time I thinkabout it. They really went "Nothing that's happened matters" without acknowledging the entire episode that said Jim was always supposed to be the Trollhunter (Unbecoming) and making the whole series pointless. Luckily, I have fanfiction.
If they're smug assholes who don't give a shit? Well, no one cares about Kevin Smith's next 'He-Man', so we can learn from past experiences and a horrible work can easily screw over the creators in the future if this is any indication.
I'm so glad that The Owl House was able to give us a satisfying ending despite Disney knee-capping the 3rd season to have only like 140 minutes in total.
in my opinion the ending was not satisfiying and you can't even use disney as an excuse. it could be so much better if the writers didnt tried to put so many characters that would just steal screentime from the actual main characters. we didnt needed raine, we didnt needer hunter, we didnt needed vee, it just made it more rushed
16:35 the ending is Chanel chasers, We’ve been following an alternate Version of Timmy that wished to never loose his fairies, suffering the consequences ever since
star versus still upsets me, I remember how AMAZING like mid season 2 was, the mystery, story telling, how genuinely evil the villains were. I'm sad even thinking about the loss of such a dope show
13:51 My biggest problem with the ending of Samurai Jack is I always assumed Jack would defeat Aku but stay in the future when he realizes that if he goes back in the past and kills Aku then the future, the world he's spent decades in and all the people he's helped throughout the years, they will all cease to exist, basically making all his actions up to that point pointless. Jack chosing to sacrifice his own personal happiness for the sake of all the friends and allies he's made over the years seems like the more appropriate way to end the series.
What I found odd is the ending overlooks Jack’s family and makes them in the background. I would had thought that there would had been a reunion scene of sorts.
@@thecinematicmind Considering the finale completely forgot that Jack's parents are supposed to be old, I don't think a reunion scene would have worked at all.
@@dave_the_slick8584 The assumption I always had is that he'd stay in the past to fight Aku, win, and become the new, just ruler of the world. This is because of the vision the guardian has that shows Jack as an aged warrior with a crown.
When I was a kid, I watched all the episodes of Sonic Underground on RUclips and I remember the line “Game over, Robotnic” because that was the LAST line of the FINAL episode. The ending was so abrupt that the line still echoes in my mind a decade later. The fact that the series got cancelled so quickly that a proper “finale” wasn’t planned was so sad. At least SAT AM got some kind of ending, even if it were a cliffhanger.
18:58 Bruh this line has been living rent free in my head since I was a child lmfao. Growing up with 4kids was quite surreal looking back on it, tbey certainly knew how to write cheesy but sometimes charming puns that were incredibly stupid
One reason why writers end things on cliff hangers is because they think they'll get another season if they do. It almost never works and the writers should really not put all their eggs in one basket. Hopefully when the writers win the riot they'll get proper pay and more freedom in their writing so that they won't have to hope to get another season to wrap things up.
Yeah but even then I do personally feel it is better to go this route rather than to try and rush the ending/storybeats, because while yes it is unlikely that their hope of a continuation will play out there is still always the possibility of fan demand if your show is really good and that means you don’t have to ruin the pacing of how you wanted it to go (samurai jack was able to accomplish it and while yes it’s ending isn’t loved I at least never felt it was rushed). I feel rushing the ending can sour the audiences view of the show as a whole which is more damaging as a whole
All the writer's strike is doing is making the studios look for alternatives to paying wages to irl writers, so I doubt they're going to win imo. My guess is studios are thinking Ai might be the way to go if they can replicate/ pull popular topics and draw from them instead. (Example: Netflix offering high paying jobs for Ai product managers.)
@@RandomAnagram. you just described what studios are already trying to do and what the strike is trying to combat. Prohibiting the use of ai plagiarism is one of the main goals of both the writer's strike and now the actor's strike. As soon as the backlog of already approved shows and movies runs out there will be a noticeable drop in quailty in the media put out by these big studios and a noticeable drop in profit for them.
@nathanaellazaro3347 Makes sense, I just thought they were pitching a betch over quite a bit being fired because there were too many writers and shows not doing well at all that people aren't watching, so they downsized. What I mean is like they hired all these people during lockdowns because people were at home consuming/binging streaming but now don't need as many after, and they're demanding their jobs back. That's my bad.
If I had a nickel for every time genndy make a good show with a rushed ending with a lover dying, I would have 2, which is not that much but weird that it happened twice
@@KeyleeTamirian nah it didn't. The main problem with S3 overall was that -Disney didn't have the balls to allow for the exploration of trauma for Anne and Sasha after what happened in True Colors- they had too many chill episodes when the show should've been way more plot-focused, especially after how S2 ended. It's still solid but I wish it didn't waste so much time in retrospective. If anything the ending is the reason why the show is a 9/10 for me instead of an 8/10, it's legitimately one of the best endings I've ever seen on television period.
Ashi's death in Samurai Jack seemed like it was directly recreating Gurren Lagann. Right down to "girl who's existence is tied to now-dead main villain, manages to not fade away until after epilogue wedding to hero."
Gurren Lagann it never made sense to me that her existence was tied to them. Seemed like an asspull to avoid giving the main character a happy ending. AT least her not fading had the handwave of 'spiral power' though.
@@professorhaystacks6606suppossedly the creators felt a happy ending felt off. Personally i'm more annoyed with Simón coming across as depressed in the ending I'd just change the ending to have Simón telling the child his adventures and going believe in yourself Simón gave no effs about getting stripped of his mech during the fight against lord genome How the heck can't he share his adventures? The ending would have felt better for me with that small fix Simon choosing a simple quiet life isn't a Bad idea, but the execution was meh
@@professorhaystacks6606the only "hint" is that lord genome never Saw her as his daughter But lord genome was nuts for most of the series ... I always assumed it was his daughter but he hated her
It's been many years since I saw Sonic and Sally plow through everything in the series finale. And seeing it again here, only one thing crosses my mind..... TOGETHER WE CAN SHOW THE WORLD WHAT WE CAN DO
I can't believe the fariy oddparents has ended with a generic episode that really didn't do well and yet after that ending there's two reboots, with the live action series was most likely ended. Although I wonder that the second reboot will go out.
To be fair, bad endings aren't a problem that only plague Western Cartoons. Asian Cartoons, live action stuff and stories in general often have bad endings.... It's like bad endings just plague media in general... The longer the story, the harder the ending...
Gravity Falls, Avatar: The Last Airbender, BoJack Horseman, The Owl House, and Adventure Time (Before Distant Lands) prove that good endings are possible. I think a lot of times cartoon creators are in over their head and let ambition get in the way of good storytelling.
My biggest fear when it comes to my favorite story ever (One Piece), is that it will have a disappointing ending, but I always try to stay cautious. I do have some faith, since Oda has had the ending planned out from the very beginning.
Worried for something like that happening to my favorites like re zero, made in abyss, mushoku tensei, and love is war as well, even if it has good source it doesn't even end there because the promised never land season 2 exists
With Samurai Jack it probably hurt the most since I still remember watching the show on both cartoon network and boomerang back in the day. But hey unlike the others at least the video game Battle through Time kinda fixed the ending
Yeah personally I wished the show ended on a route similar to what the comics did, jack accepting he can’t return to the past and instead focus on stopping aku in the present and
The ending to Angry Beavers comes to mind as well. As in...the network simply made it disappear because it was a meta commentary on the show being cancelled and the characters realizing they are in a cartoon.
To me the worst part about SatAM's ending is that we ALMOST got a sequel movie...but Ben Hurst was thrown under the bus by Ken Penders in an effort to make HIS SatAM sequel movie. 😡
And the Archie comics went in a different direction and never even had a "What if..." arc where Snively is now the villain. That, and Sonic Underground never got a proper ending, too, with no Archie adaptation or continuation to boot. It feels as though Sonic X remains the only Sonic cartoon (even though it's anime) to have a proper ending. Sonic Boom isn't continuous with its episodes, so there was no need for an epic finale, yet it only got 2 seasons for other reasons. Here's hoping Sonic Prime doesn't end up like Daredevil (No Ending) or Skylanders Academy (main plot finished and villain defeated, but ongoing character arc has no proper resolution) or The Cuphead Show (ambiguous ending that isn't a definitive end, but not a cliffhanger either.)...
@@e1iteyoshi998 😱 Bad enough he's still messing around with the Julie-Su Chronicles, or so I've heard. What's next, him STILL trying to make "The Lost Ones" a thing? 😑 (Look it up, folks)
@@e1iteyoshi998 You mean at the Amazin' Adventures channel? What they're doing is equivalent to reruns on a different channel, such as when The Critic got reruns on Comedy Central after its initial runs on NBC and Fox had ended. Skylanders Academy ended its run in 2018, after Netflix was unable to get the green light for more seasons from Activision Blizzard. The real reason why was never made clear, but it was speculated that either the higher-ups at Activision were unhappy with how the series turned out after 3 seasons or that Netflix actually didn't bother with Activision and decided to end the series after 3 seasons due to insufficient viewership compared to Stranger Things or Big Mouth.
Yeah, I don't think enough people point out how that specific line makes no sense lol. White Diamond shouldn't even know what a child is, much less that they're supposed to be immature.
@@robertpaige4505 Yes, and Pink Diamond is a gem- she was never a child, and none of the gems had any concept of "childhood" before Pink colonized Earth. And even then, none of the other Diamonds cared enough about humans to learn anything about them. White Diamond saying Pink was "acting like a child" doesn't really make sense in context because White should have no idea what a "child" is to begin with.
@@Commenter839 White knows a lot of things she shouldn't. Steven has nightmares about her and her power is related to the mind. It's never stated, but it could be possible she was peering into his mind.
Gravity Falls will always be my favorite ending to a show. (Well, maybe not ALWAYS, but I’ve yet to see a better one). It’s an open ending that still fulfills all the characters, and uses so much from the rest of the show. They did such a good job.
Some creators expect their work to go on forever, so they need to either make up an ending on the spot or make a mad dash to whatever ending they had in mind if they even get the chance. That's why I say either don't even try to make a continuous narrative, or have a thorough roadmap in place to make sure the plot doesn't derail later.
I like it when a show that clearly didn’t want to end, makes a satisfying ending that leaves u wanting more. I like it when they don’t rush a character and instead just keep a clif hanger cause it basically says “yeah we rushed the show, but we’re not gonna rush this character for they mean more than the deadline” (Star is a terrible example it didn’t have the guts to leave a cliff hanger and or take it’s time, but Wander of Yander was a good example, particularly with Lord Domknator) So is Robs ending in Amaizng world of gumball, cause the clif hanger tells everyone that the cast and crew will not except being canceled
I really disliked the trope of having cliffhangers before getting cancelled, but that's because I keep coming across them, and never watched shows that had rushed endings or stories that go downhill after its peak in the middle (purely by coincidence). Drived me nuts knowing the story's unfinished and will likely never see the resolution to all what they set up. Young Justice's revival from cancellation was the first time experiencing a show that felt like it was going downhill after the peak, and I've now appreciated the original cliffhanger ending because at least the first 2 seasons felt like a decent story + conclusion.
I still remember sitting there as I watched the Amphibia finale with the constant thought of "Please don't let this be another Cleaved ending" echoing throughout my mind.
I think its a combination of our expectations as well as the fact that not all writers have an ending in mind. And if they do then its certainly not going to please everyone and thats okay. That is why fanfiction exist.
I mean these days, you're lucky enough to get a second season (That isn't just shortening the first season and calling the second half Season 2.), forget making it all come together in a satisfying way all the time.
I'd like to highlight something that makes me apreciate what they were doing (or are still doing) with the Gumball ending a lot more, and that is how much build-up and foreshadowing it had. Firstly, there's an episode in which Rob gets a TV controller that lets him mamipulate reality. The episode is pretty funny and creative but has a really interesting fourth wall break at some point when Rob fast forwards up to when the episode ends, with the credits and the "Next, on Cartoon Network..." and he seems shocked about it. The episodes ultimately plays normally and this is left aside, but at that moment, Rob discovered he was in a Cartoon (there are more fourth-wall-breaking episodes that present this theme, like one in which the whole episode is glitching which creates misunderstandings between Gumball and Darwing. At the end they see in a news channel that there's been transmission problems with TVs in the area, which makes them confuse "It's almost like we're on a huge..." and the episode skips to them having dinner with their family like everything has been solved, leaving them confused and akwardly laughing, but with a look of disconcert at the end). Also, the void in which Rob falls, had been previously stablished many seasons ago to be the place where things goe when they stop existing (they use examples like many old fashions or Led Zeppelins) so basically what happened is that Rob found out that they're all in a cartoon and that it was going to either end or get cancelled, and during the final episode tried to turn them all into live action humans so they could escape to the real world. Aditionally, the mother of Banana Joe is able to paint the future, and in one episode they end it with a tease/cliffhanger of her having just finished a painting of Gumball and his family running away desesperate in a world that seemed consumed by that void. I don't know man, but I absolutely loved piecing that together and I hope that wathever continuation we get is able to close that succesfully
The fact that 'libera me from hell' started playing in my head the moment the wedding happened with Jack, I was silently praying they wouldn't pull a Guren Laggan, I hated the ending in that I hated it here too.
My biggest problem with Samurai Jack's cartoon ending is the implication that everything Jack experienced in the future was wiped clean. None of it mattered, except for Jack getting back to the present. All of the people he'd met and helped? Gone. Basically, if you watched the series' beginning, you could skip all the way to the end, and that's all that still exists in the timeline.
@@professorhaystacks6606 There's no reason to believe no one would even be born! E xcept for Ashi, they could still exist. Their lives would be different
I have CPTSD and have friends with BPD and PTSD, I found Steven's behavior in Future to be relatable and believable with his level of trauma and spiral into the realization that he was traumatized and was trying to pretend otherwise and force himeslf to be better. I can't speak for your experiences of course, but have found that the vast majority of people that find such behavior unbelievable and extreme, are the people that have not been in that mindset. When he accidently kills Jasper was a completely perfect moment of showing how something can seem rational when we are at the height of mania and then crazy when we calm down and are actually rational. Steven had CPTSD, years of repeated trauma and abuse, and Steven Universe Future has so far been the best representation I have found of struggling to accept that, recognize the behaviors, and try to heal.
I honeslty never felt any anger towards an animated show until I saw Star vs the Forces of Evil. It's not enough to stop me form watching it again someday, but that last season and especially series finale was PAINFUL. It felt like there was an unreleased season 5 and I hate abrupt endings to death.
There’s a big push for endings to be “earth shattering” when all they need to do is cross the finish. Which leads us to… this. The worst part is the bad taste they leave in the mouth. And then there’s the cancellations… which don’t even leave us with that. Edit: The original Gumball ending low-key gave me existential night terrors when it first aired and it somehow only became more chilling and cynical the longer it went on with no confirmation of a new season and the movie was only in unconfirmed rumors. The tonal shift created in a single scene at the very end is actually such a flex. 😂
I'm trying to think of what would be on the list. There's only 4 that come to mind (mostly because i've fully seen them) Gravity fall: Weirdmagedon Amphibia: The hardest thing The owl house: Watching and dreaming Centaurworld: The last lullaby -the best one definitely not biased- I don't really know any others Edit: I remembered Sozin’s comet
Adventure times ending belongs here, those last 2 episodes just shoved so much into it and golb just shows up after being referenced like twice in the show and the Lich (a humongous pinnacle villain) isn't even existent, Finn and Jake do jack shit. The only good part about it was the fact that Betty and Simon's story was finally over with her sacrificing herself (even that felt a little stupid) I genuinely think AT was being canceled as well and they just needed an end that season and had to scramble a story line for the last 2 episodes in order to resolve multiple story lines that were being shown.
The worst thing about the terrible ending of Star vs the forces of evil is that this was planned from season 1, it wasn't made out of a rushed decision or because Disney forced them too. The creators thought it was a legit good idea to end the show that way.
It’s very much the same with How I met your Mother.
And that was filmed during season 2.
That’s the problem with shows that stretch out the one or two story threads they had
More like the entire show was planned to end on starco, which isn’t a bad thing in itself, but the means they used to get there was horrendous
@@blizyon30fps86 and so drawn out because 4 seasons of revenue is more than 2z
@@blizyon30fps86 they wanted the show with star to end all magic
It's like if Gravity Falls built Bill Cipher up to be the main villain of the show, but then the writers get rid of him unceremoniously and then decided to have Toby Determined, the newspaper guy, as the main villain instead.
That's how I would describe the awful final season of Star Vs.
Crazy how a bad cartoon ending can pivot a general opinion so strongly
It just leaves people feeling empty especially for people who follow a show since day one spending a long time following a show you feel like shit because a show you’re watching is ending but you feel more like shit because it had a shit ending
The ending is literally the most important part of any piece of media, you can fundamentally fuck up a story and its entire themes and messaging in one scene, one sentence really.
Legacy is everything for a memory, so a ligma ass ending can permanently leave a bad taste on that memory.
Steven universe had bad seasons before the nad ending, same for star vs. It is just that the ending cements it.
You can often see red flags popping up.
I liked mlp as a show but the finalies always sucked. Friendschip lazer goes boom was always the ending. This was because the writters honestly could not handle long overarching plots.
A lot of good shows with bad endings have the same problem. Episodic they are good but they are just bad at writting long term with an endgoal in mind.
its for everything really but its understandable. The entire buildup in every media is to the ending. If the ending fails, so does everything else. Its why 2/3 of a movie can be mediocre but if the last third brings it back it washes all the bad away. Its also the thing you will remember the longest due to psychology.
I like how Genndy low key admitted he fucked up Samurai Jack's ending, and immediately retconned it the first chance he got.
You would have to erase the entire final season to do that.
Happily married doesn't fix all the other countless issues
Yea like he said, only the last 2-3 eps of the season is bad. its average but for a finale? Average is not enough.
@@duyngo7697 nah the whole premise was fucked from the start , the sword randomly dissapearing from the chasm like that just does not happen only because jack got angry lol.
@@iantaran2843 Not the entire season just the last few minutes of it and add a videogame
@@similorradique2670 The season just need a few more episodes cause the end was a bit rushed.
Huge props to Gravity Falls for having one of the best, plot-wrapping ending in all of western animation
And Amphibia and Owl House
i'm not a big fan of the whole "stan gets his memory back" thing but i must agree
Agreed strongly
@@YonkaLmaoI agree. It's not a bad ending by any means, but that specific point seems shoehorned in and should have been built up.
It should've been hinted at.
I personally think that Gravity Falls is one of the best shows of all time, animated or live-action.
It’s literally an animated version of Twin Peaks and i love it 😻
To be fair, Star didn't kill "millions", she potentially killed an infinite amount of people considering infinite universes.
If half of the universes survive on magic, half of infinity is still infinity, so those universes being destroyed means every living being in those universes were killed by Star.
Wow. This is on the same level as SCP entities, the Lich (Adventure Time), some comic characters.
Now knowing that fact, I might not sleep for days, didn’t even watch the entire show
I always found the needing to end magic thing kinda dumb. I understand what they were going for. They were tryna get star to sacrifice something very close to her and that being the magic.
The issue isbthe implications and logistics
Even Thanos only snapped half the people in the one universe.
@@Mewdo45 A better way to handle it tbh would be to have her sever the ties between the regular world and magic. I know it wouldn't work with the idea of Toffee corrupting magic itself but neither did the writers HAVE to write themselves into a corner.
Gravity Falls and Avatar the Last Airbender had great endings.
Fairly Oddparents felt like it could have ended with Channel Chasers, and Danny Phantom felt like it could have ended with the Ultimate Enemy, just with Danny revealing his identity to his parents.
It genuinely does feel like a bad finale can really poison the well.
especially since dark danny was basicly the ultimate villain. possibly defeated paraih dark, was irredemable, is considered the most powerful enemy danny has ever faced since its a stronger version of him
Fairly Oddparents feel like The Simpson's at this point, should have ended long ago.
@@jesustovar2549 but its been over for years..
GOD AVATAR IS SO GOOD AND THE ENDING IS PERFECT
gravity falls' ending was great in terms of the final scene of them leaving but up until then weirdmageddon was awfully rushed
BoJack Horseman is a rare case. Even though the show itself was canceled, the creators still delivered a pretty perfect ending imo.
I agree that Bojack Horseman is one of the few rare shows with a good season finale. While there were a few arcs that I wished got more fleshed out (ex. Princess Carolyn-Judah relationship, Todd-mom conflict), the show still ended on a good note!
Fully agree!
I especially like the fact that it had a (kind of) happy ending.
Yes, Bojack goes to jail, but he is alive and also gets a chance to finally make a change for the good.
I always felt (and feared) that things would end worse for him.
@@StarViewer68 Yeah, i WISH PC and Judah had a better arc. As is they don't really feel like a good match, I wonder how they could've built upon it?
@@dazedandconfused5711PC and Judah are a perfect match in my opinion. All throughout PC’s life she expected a relationship to be loud and crazy but after finally being satisfied with what she has, Judah confessed his love and PC can see that love can be easy and beautiful. Idk I think they’re great I will always defend them!
I love that ending! Probably my favorite one.
Fun fact about Teen Titans ending: The show was originally going to have 4 seasons and the Trigon arc was meant to be the series finale but the show got renewed for the fifth season for it's popularity.
Edit: It's even funnier the similar situation happened with TMNT 2012. That show like Teen Titans was supposed have 4 seasons and name of the both season 4 finales is "The End" ( Owari means The End in English ) but Nickelodeon renewed TMNT 2012 for the fifth season.
Edit again: Also Ciro Nieli the creator of TMNT 2012 is one of the directors of Teen Titans original.
Ceiro worked on another show that ended on a cliffhanger super robot monkey team hyperforce go
That doesn't make the finale better and it's very evident they intended to force another seasons through cliffhanger.
@@skootergirl22That's called bad habits.
even ttg acknowledged that the original was better numerous times and blatantly said it was bs that there wasn’t another season
Disney wanted to renew Gravity Falls for another season for it's popularity. You know what Alex Hirsch said?
"No."
Gravity Falls, Avatar TLA and Over the Garden Wall to this day have the best endings in animation history. They're simple, concise and wrap up the main plots perfectly with just enough left over to warrant a continuation. It pains me that not a lot of writers don't take notes from these shows.
Rise of the TMNT managed to change its entire online reputation from "Teen Titans Go knockoff with cool fight scenes" to "Amazing show that got axed too soon" solely due to the ending. Iirc the movie made its way onto Netflix's top 10 for a bit, which is a pretty insane accomplishment for a show that was disliked by audiences and hidden away by its network
@@Commenter839 That is very true, RotTMNT was surprisingly better than I'd thought it was gonna be. In all honesty there are other shows that not only had really great endings but were also great throughout thwir runs: TF Prime, TMNT 2012, Star Wars TCW, just to name a few. Tbh the three that I mentioned were just ones that really stood out to me
(Could've listed more if I gave it a hard enough thought tbf 😅)
Regular Show as well even if Mordecai’s ending was a little weak I still thought it was a nice send off.
Adventure Time, Amphibia,The Owl House, Clone Wars, and probably some others that I'm forgetting too
The 2nd half of Gravity Falls season 2 was rushed and could have been better. Fight me.
The Spongebob movie pretty much stands at the peak of satisfying endings and no other cartoon took notes.
I love that movie so much. I watched it so many times that i lost count.
not even spongebob itself
It could have been a satisfying ending, but Nickelodeon wanted more.
@benpodvia5744 It's weird how Spongebob and South Park are the few to make full use of getting movies. We Bare Bears, My Little Pony, Simpsons, and Bob's Burgers *had* movies, but they all felt utterly beneath the series they were movies of.
Don't get me started on Bloom and her friend
imagine how EASILY they could make a less shit ending for star just by making the magical characters not DIE and just... turned into a non-magical version of themselves or something
The issue with thr ending is it ignored all logic over a ship.
Everything about the ending was a mess.
Star and Marco were always meant to end up together, yet they failed to create a good enough chemistry between the two of them to justify this outcome.
Star ends up being an unsympathic and selfish character, who kinda cheats on one of her love interests and decides that destroying all magic (and thus kinda committing a genocide, the very same thing that Toffee was capitally punished for trying to do before) is the only right thing to do.
Mina gets away unpunished.
Some magical characters (like Heckapoo) die after the destruction of magic and some simply turn "normal" (like Ponyhead and the laser puppies). One death is even used as a cheap joke.
The whole thing about Marco living in the magical world for a while, growing an adult there, yet being in a relationship with a minor character later on, was a very strange decision.
Events that have no effect on anything, like Marco's stab wound in the final battle he actively hides, yet is never being brought up again.
The whole fusion of the two worlds and the chaos that comes with it being shown for roughly ten seconds before the screen turns black for good.
Seasons 1 and 2 of this show were really good. Nowhere near perfect, but still a good fun to watch. In the end it crashed and burned.
I feel like even then they never did a good job at even giving us any sort of good buildup or foreshadowing of why Star suddenly decided magic was even bad to begin with in the first place so it still felt kinda out of nowhere... The fact that they made her a hypocrite knowing that Toffee wanted to destroy magic as well obviously doesn't help though
@@EinFritzMitXI loved the first two seasons. Such a shame what happened to it
@@EinFritzMitXone thing i always hated is that when the goat guy (I’m sorry i forgot the name) died. It had consequences. It was treated like a big thing, he had a funeral. But when all of them died for no reason, its all a funny joke. Like they weren’t people who never chose to be magic and them dying was easily avoidable. The ending was complete utter garbage
Former SVTFOE fanfic writer here (was heavily involved in the fandom back in the day and my stories about the show have 300k+ reads) and all I can say is that the show started going to shit halfway through season 2. I initially got Nefcy's (the show's creator) attention on Tumblr back in the day (she upvoted several artists who wrote fanfiction or made art, and it was no secret that she was following the more popular ones) since I had initial praise for the show in season 1 and partway through season 2. However, as soon as I started pointing out glaring flaws the show had and openly mocking some of the plot elements, character arcs, overall bad pacing and nonsensical subplots, etc. I got blocked by her and the people involved with the show, not to mention that the fandom quickly became a hive of shippers willing to attack one another over nonsense. For example, there were certain shipping weeks where people who were fans of certain ships could contribute art and stuff, and I remember being commissioned to write prompts for a few of them (you'd be surprised how much people are willing to pay for you writing about their favourite ship...) and getting attacked for it. For example, Jarco (Jackie+Marco) and Starco (Star+Marco) were the two 'main' ships for the longest time. I honestly didn't care either way and just wrote stuff for both, and when I contributed to the Jarco week, I got actual death threats sent by Starco fans and vice versa. Needless to say, I quit Tumblr since I was the site going to hell, and I stopped writing SVTFOE fanfics altogether since the fandom had become insufferable, and the show's writing only made it worse since 90% of it had become shipper fanservice instead of storytelling.
I'm sorry You had to Go through that
@@isauldron4337 Thanks for the concern, but I found it funny/sad more than anything else. I remember making a post that simply stated "Ship whoever you want, to each their own" and got told to slit my throat by some radical Starco shipper, lol
Back then when I used twitter before getting suspended and leaving for good, I got blocked by adam mcarthur (VA of marco) for saying how much the show has sucked since half bit of S2 to S4 on a tweet talking about the current state of the show lmfaooo
@@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN Yeah. The whole crew was incapable of taking objective criticism; like, I wasn't belittling them of anything, just pointing out nonsensical plotlines and character arcs, how certain ships made absolutely no sense (the KellyxMarco one that was canon for a total of 1 episode until they broke up OFF SCREEN, like wtf), and other stuff. It's really sad because after season 1, I was convinced the show had the potential to become one of the best cartoons created in recent years, only for incompetence to ruin it all.
@@jureb2278 tried to elaborate to adam on why the show was going downhill, this was mainly on daron and the team working on the show, not him and the rest of the voice actors, but neither the less he still blocked me anyways lmao
"Star commits genocide to avoid a genocide"
Isn't that just the AoT finale?
Well no this more on the line you all want to kill my friends and everyone in my country? Uno-reverse Card i kill all of you instead.
Also Eren does not see himself as a hero and really had only bad choices left.
And another important two story that do end in the same way can be really different. Hell i even think that (if he will ever write the damn last two books) that GoT Book ending will be close to the series ending (danny dead, brann king, jon beyond the wall etc.) but the way to it will be different.
big brain Ereh move
except that AoT finale was kinda good
@@MrDeflador the fact the story portrays genocide as the only solution to racism is kinda dumb. The allies didnt had to kill every single german person, only their government officials.
@@shab_nak I kinda wish it was little different, writing Eren as a liberator instead of a dictator
I feel like the ending to Star Vs would have worked if Toffee had remained the main villain of the series and been the one responsible for destroying magic. It could worked perfectly as his final revenge against Star and her family.
There's also Seth, Toffee's mentor and the leader of the monster rebellion. He's stated to still be alive.
That would be such a sour ending... I'd love it!
@@SaiyanGamer95Using a bigger villain hinted in a book Is stupid.Toffee should have been the main villain alone
Congrats. You are better than the shows writers.
Having the villain "won" in the end would sometimes worked well if done well within the themes and setups of the show.
(Examples from various media : Infinity War, Rogue One, The Mist, Arlington Road, Halo Reach, Bionicle, Cyberpunk Edgerunner, Zeta Gundam)
I’m so glad I’m not alone when it comes to Danny’s friends being assholes. I currently rewatched the series and I couldn’t believe how negatively they reacted towards him or tried to take advantage of his powers.
What now?
Even choosing to watch it with a fresh pair of eyes, it is really hard to watch after the first 10 or so episodes. His friends are all assholes, the evil route of future Danny was the right choice
I'm currently watching Danny Phantom, and I cannot stand his friends, especially Sam. Atleast with Tucker, I can just say he's annoying, but Sam has been shown to be a massive hypocrite and mostly in the wrong but us rarely called out.
If this video doesn’t randomly change subjects, abandon every previous plot point and end abruptly im gonna be extremely disappointed for the lack of cohesion.
It ends kinda abruptly, but I’d honestly say its a good example of not overstaying its welcome
Username Checks out.
SVTFOE really should be used as the prime example on how not to write a show.
Along with game of thrones which funnily enough release on the same day I think, talk about timing
1. Make a really interesting show raising lots of questions
2. Ruin it with obnoxious shipping and fan service
3. Ignore interesting ideas and plot elements
4. Create the least satisfying ending possible by raising more questions
I’ll say that RWBY and Miraculous ladybug are more appropriate examples
@Dave102693 you are right, at least the lore on steven universe and star vs the forces of evil can be follow but those two are so convoluted and prolonged that fans I feel give up and just enjoy their not thanks to it but in spite of it
@@Dave102693 especially miraculous
I really think one of the biggest missteps in the Samurai Jack ending is the fact that him and Ashi just leave. Like I understand they had little time in the original writing, but I feel like it would have been incredibly poetic to have Jack with the help of his friends over the years kill future Aku, have everyone say their goodbyes, then Jack goes into the past to fight him one on one. It always just felt weird to me they bothered to bring everyone back but never let them say a proper goodbye, even if it was like a few words from the more notable characters
more the misstep that ending has been done before Gurren Lagann had same ending, same thing happen to Simon, that happen to Jack, personally it was good way to end series it was more bitter sweet ending for Jack, at lease he's at peace at the end.
At lease Jack isn't wondering around like bum like Simon, i was not fan how Gurren ended, way creator Samurai jack did it, was better, yes stupid she stayed a live that long, as soon he took down Aku she should of disappeared right after he died.
According to the showrunners, the true ending is the secret unlockable ending in the Samurai Jack video game that came out in 2020 in which Ashi doesn't disappear because of a time paradox. Take that as you will.
The show shouldn't have had him return to the past at all. Over the course of his adventures he has had multiple opportunities to return to the past, but each time refused because to leave would have been dishonorable. If he knew that killing Aku would destroy the future he would have stayed in the future and helped to rebuild the world, and wider universe, alongside Ashi.
Either that or write a time travel = multiverse creation mechanic instead of running off a single prime timeline so he doesn't murder more people than Aku could dream of killing.
@@MonochromaticPrism Yeah, the ending should have been Jack being confronted with the hard truth that he can't go back. It would have tied the series together with a message supported by all of the previous episodes: You can't change the past, you can only improve the future.
End it with Jack marrying Ashi, and living with the friends he made in the future, freed from his ageless curse, and expecting a child with Ashi. Looking forward to the good things he can still bring into the world.
@@Kendreyek See, that would have been a perfect ending!
Fun fact! SVTFOE's final episode and GOT's final episode aired on the same day! I don't know why that day specifically was cursed to give us such awful finales but it is what it is.
Interesting
I remmber that day as it was yesterday. Two different fandoms were left pissed off and the following week was something
And Queen Moon randomly switching to the dark side coincided with Daenerys randomly torching King's Landing. It was truly an awful time to be a fan of both.
It was a cold, rainy day to
What does GOT stand for?
I'll never forgive Disney for cancelling Wonder Over Yonder
You and me both, man. That's my second favorite Craig McCracken cartoon, right underneath The Powerpuff Girls.
I can't forgive CN for mao mao, and nick for a lot of stuff but harvey beaks in particular
and also the owl house for cutting it short.
well at least it didn't end like The Sopranos, where it just cut to black in mid sentance
They did Wander over yonder dirty man
I would love to say thank you to ATLA for being such a fulfilling cartoon series, being better then most series being publish to this day.
What's funny is that ATLA's ending was also (somewhat) controversial, but it sorta made sense taking into account Aang's worldview.
Let's be real, that wasn't the first time we saw a last minute anime power up (not even the first time it was thematically appropiate either).
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe I'm yet to meet a person who HATED the ending, some people just wanted to change little things about it. For instance; I think the lion turtle should have been hinted at throughout the third season and not just at the end out of nowhere and they could've done it from S3E1 when Aang was laying unconscious on Crescent Island, just a tease for a few seconds of a mysterious island (lion turtle) in the sea and some ominous music in the background, Aang gets up without saying anything looking like he might just swim to the island when suddenly he snaps out of it when the rest of the Gaang shows up like in the episode and the mysterious island is no longer there while Aang although confused brushes it off. And then they could have done it again in "Nightmares and Daydreams" when there is already crazy shit happening the mysterious island shows up again and Aang actually starts walking towards it but he snaps out of it again by... anything really (in that episode anything could happen). You intrigue the viewers and then when the mysterious island shows up for the third time, as it did in "Sozin's Comet 1", you feel excitement and tension because Aang finally sets off to the island that you have waited to found out about since the start of the season. Just my opinion, still 10/10 show.
@@2djman
Then we have TLOK.
Great premise but a horrendous second season
And a last minute ship.
Summer Camp Island had one of the best endings to any cartoon and I wish more people talked about it. Its entire last season was an ending and they really gave the show a proper send-off
TBF the final season is only just now about to air in America and even the foreign airings haven't made the rounds online. And I actively tried to find them.
@@toon4thought I have my ways
Summer Camp Island is super wholesome. It’s so underrated like Mao Mao.
But the finale for Summer Camp Island hasn't aired yet
@InevitableOption-ic2vx I will never forgive them for mao mao. The fact that season 2 was greenlit but they said psyche on it should be a crime
I find animes have the same problem as well, always a fun journey but never really a fun ending but that still doesn't make me hate the show any less
Yeah . I feel the same when i read mangas. These mangakas have to write _and_ draw their story and its a lot of work. I dont think many use any outlines
Not to mention that over the course of the years it takes for the manga to finish, the authors might just be completely burnt out or uninterested with the story.
Even ignoring potential corporate meddling, Jujutsu Kaisen, despite being hugely successful has been on a downhill slope. Little room to breathe, the main character has basically be relegated to a side character, and plot points are getting wrapped up faster than you can say manga.
main problem with animes is... most of them dont end (they never get next season or they get "GAINAX-ed" into oblivion)
Princess Tutu is a rare example of an otherwise average anime that was elevated to masterpiece status solely by its ending. Honestly love how the universe doesn't bend over backwards to give the main character a happily ever after, but it isn't a "dark" or "grim" ending either.
Plus that’s not including the deteriorating condition of mangakas. Pushing out chapters each week and expecting it to still have such great art. I mean just think about what slouching over a desk drawing for so long does to you back, neck, and wrist. And they still have executives watering down their vision and a company running them like a sweatshop. In all honesty if there’s people that have an *excuse* for having bad endings it’s definitely mangakas
The last episode of Teen Titans might have been very frustrating to the fans, I still remember the finale as being very poignant. Ending with the message that things inevitably change and you don’t always get a resolution is a crazy note for a cartoon to end on, but it’s remained one of the most memorable and impactful episodes of any series I watched growing up.
I honestly really love the Gumball ending because of the meta commentary it has, especially because of the network it's in. I feel like the entire episode is lampooning the whole "Live Action is in, Cartoons are out" era that CN had at one point, or just the dominance of Live Action remakes in cinema and television.
I guess i just think it's cool how the ending may be intentionally abrupt, with things not being resolved properly, because, as this list proves, that's something that can happen to a cartoon show with no warning, and to take that existential horror into the cartoon itself where the characters don't know it's gonna happen, it's kinda genius, in my opinion.
It wasn’t the intended ending though and they say there making a movie
Honestly that's an interesting view on things. Its a very gumball move to end on satire
There is a movie and another season being made so he probably should give it some leeway because the pandemic happened and everything is still slow and writers strike things like that
Thats actually a good point,but the reason they ended it like that,I believe,is because there was supposed to be a movie.
But the movie is still coming
I feel like when it comes to Butch Hartman shows, The Fairly Oddparents should have ended with Channel Chasers, Wishology, or Meet the Oddparents; and Danny Phantom should have ended with The Ultimate Enemy.
Steve Marmel and the writers that were axed or left after season 2 made the show as good as it was, ironically Butch putting his hands on his own creations is the worst curse any of "his" shows eventually experience. They planted all the seeds that culminated into Ultimate Enemy and were very willing to go further, deeper, darker...
Nickelodeon was too conservative to advertise or merchandise it properly despite stellar ratings and reviews, and wanted Butch to finish, who either by some pressure or by being barely involved in the writing for the show's lifetime, quickly and really learn into the YTV7 demographic (which is wild since Avatar was aired by this point and it was considerably more mature), and thus resulted in the very average superhero show that disregarded a majority of the lore and mechanics of the world. Steve made it clear he left due to "creative differences" and his ideas for DP were to eventually tackle more mature themes. It's a shame it didn't. The graphic novel was a better story than almost all of Season 3...
A sequel to Ultimate Enemy would be an appropriate ending.
@@bch7905Meanwhile in terms of OddParents, if we take the word of Hartman seriously (which I'm not sure we can fully do), it was cancelled five separate times, meaning it was brought back four separate times. We know that one of the cancellations was after its fifth season (ending on the third Jimmy Timmy which also marked the end Jimmy Neutron). I also believe, based on past comments by Hartman and episode release gaps that the show was cancelled twice again following its eigth season (which funnily enough concluded with Meet the OddParents) and ninth season (which ended with Man's Worst Friend).
In terms of the writing, the show similarly suffered a writing exodus after season 5 with Marmel (who was story editor as well as a key writer) departing as well as the likes of Jack Thomas (co-story editor of S4-5 and writer who became executive producer in The Replacements), Cynthia True (who went to co-create the Mighty B), and the temporary departure of Dave Thomas. Much of Season 6 was written by Hartman, Scott Fellows (who became co-executive producer and Marmel's replacement as the story editor), and Sullivan. The season after that I believe planted the seeds to the show's catastrophic downfall as Fellows left, Hartman largely stopped doing writing (or at least credited writing) and Hartman hired a new writing team consisting of the likes of Ray DeLaurentis (the story editor for the rest of the show and a figure not too regarded by many within animation), Ed Valentine, and Will Schifrin. It was under Ray and the S7-10 writing staff (which changed over time) that much of the most despised changes and episodes of the show came around.
Wishology would've been an amazing ending
Danny Phantom recently got rebooted with a comic book
@@MASTEROFEVIL yup! And without Hartman's influence, so it felt like a natural progression and tried to "fix" some plot points so they either had closure or left it open for more content while keeping a fairly similar style of the TV series. There are some issues I still have but I think people are always gonna be critical, plus it's not like the GN had a spectacular ending to source from...
If you want to see a cartoon's ending that definitely was the fault of it getting canceled/finished, yet it didn't felt rushed at all, look at the O.K. K.O. ending, it wasn't a big final battle against some evil or tried to conclude everything, it was a simple goodbye to us, watchers, and it directly thanks us for watching, not the best ending, but definitely a wholesome one
Ok KO is a case where it's final episode is good, but the finale to the story was rushed as hell and just overall lost the stakes it built up. Season 2 of the show also had that issue. They both should've been given one more season to let the story play itself out better
A bad ending can poison an entire franchise.
Hotel Transylvania series in a nutshell!!
If the game's tied and the goalie misses the last ball, that's it; the whole team is a failure. Sure, it's the goalie's fault, but he brings the ship down with him, intentional or not.
game of thrones anyone
True
But it’s not always the bad ending
The ending of Yugioh Arc-V (or at least for that part of Yugioh)
At least Odd Parents got Channel Chasers, we can pretend that was the actual ending.
I can honestly accept Wishology as an ending. To me, Channel Chasers is the perfect ending, while Wishology is the point of no return. Like now that you put it out, STOP. Shut it down.. Get out of the vehicle and walk away. End it, here and now.
...they didn't stop. They kept going. It's been pure garbage from that point onward.
I always do
@@SpectralDynamite Replace Wishology with Meet the Odd Parents and I agree
It is in my eyes
😂
Steven re-fusing with his "gem persona" was animated by James Baxter if anyone was curious. He's always brought in by famous animator studios for special parts they think need his recognized fluidity
Nothing beats Ed Edd n' Eddy going out with one of the best movies of all time on Cartoon Network.
The fact EEnE is still fondly looked back on tells you a lot about the care that went into that show
And Phineas and Ferb's Last Day of Summer. Because it was a massive great send-off to one of our favorite Disney Animated TV Shows.
And Sozin’s Comet, from Avatar: The Last Airbender, which naturally concluded the show’s story.
So true very rarely does a series give you such closure
I still rewatch that movie occasionally, it gets me everytime. Incredibly well-written, I'm so happy the Eds got that treatment - they're one of my favorite childhood cartoons and the quality of their last movie definitely adds to that
The main writer of Danny Phantom left after season 2 and Butch took over the role of writer for season 3 (you can really tell by the drop of quality)
pretty much, i didn't hate ending of Danny Phantom, but i agree with statements and he didn't have much chemistry with childhood friend, he was better off staying with the black girl.
Adventure Time is probably one of the best examples of a good ending to its story. Wrapping up everyone's conflicts and while still hinting the future for them. Additionally, releasing "Obsidian" to wrap up the fan service with what happened with Marceline and PB was a good move. But the cheery on top is "Together Again", perfect way to bring everyone back in the show, dead or alive have their last part in the episode. Perfect way to tie loose ends and give the two brothers a final goodbye. As far as I know it was cancelled/rushed or anything like that so that might be the reason why it did the finale so perfect.
Few shows can say they have TWO good endings but AT can
Fiona and cake was pretty great too. I’m not in love with the ending but the rest was top tier
@@theroyaljules39 There's gonna be another Fionna And Cake season so thats why the ending to that wasnt super crazy
@@Robpop123 really?? Yay!
I'm probably in absolute minority, but i think AT ending (i mean "real" ending for Finn) is really toxic for kids. I mean we saw Finn living his whole life after Jack death alone, and only thing he cared after realizing he's dead too, is that he's able to meet Jack again. Yeah, they go onto "infinite" Adventure later, but it's a Cartoon - imagine telling kids that if their best friend\fatherly figure dies, it's OK to spend rest of their life earning for them, instead of actually living their lives.
I definitely agree with the point that while the concept of Steven finally snapping after being used like a doormat is interesting, execution is what matters.
Having him take his frustration out on his loved ones in a moment of stress is ALSO interesting, but stuff like that should be used more sparingly to enforce the feeling of "whoa, that's not like Steven, is he doing okay?".
Yeah I think the two major problems, for me anyway, were:
1. Monster Steven had no impact or weight to the action (like you said execution) like throughout the season we were beginning to see the sheer destructive potential of stevens powers and now, when he becomes a colossal corrupted kaiju, he does nothing more than stand around and scratch at some rocks, no weight, no impact or feel for the danger
2. It felt like the writers were actively forcing the story go in that direction and making the characters act in a certain way rather than how’d they act to get it to happen. Like Ruby and sapphire suddenly diffusing and acting like they always do that or Greg show no sympathy to the trauma Steven gone through when previously he has had panic attacks hearing how much danger Steven went through. The writers made those events happened/characters act that way so they could tell the story of Steven isolating himself and becoming a monster (it’s a forcing a square block in a round hole scenario)
Sure, but "I Am My Monster" is still a fantastic episode that nails the themes of the show perfectly. It's also the highest rated episode of SU:F. The haters just make it out to be way worse than it is, just like the haters did throughout SU's lifespan.
@@AngryNerdBird The haters this the haters that. Have you not considered that just sometimes good writers fuck up hard
@AngryNerdBird The episode isn't bad, but I wouldn't call it one of the best. I do think it's one of the best in Future, but that's a low bar because Future is kinda bad in my opinion.
Honestly I would have rathered they mix stevens personal struggles with a gem rebellion.
It would be ironic and interesting to see Steven become the authority he spent hes entire life fighting.
In the movie he already learned that you can't have a happily ever after, so seeing how hed react to this on full effect would be cool, in my opinion.
Wed get to see fan favorite villians that aren't demoted to one one off episodes
Fun fact: Teen Titans was originally supposed to end with season 4, which makes sense because of how it was set up, with having Trigon, who is best known as one of the toughest and the most powerful villain the titans have to face; being the main antagonist, Slade coming back as the secondary antagonist, having the season being loosely based on the Terror of Trigon storyline, and the last three episodes of season four is literally called “The End”.
After the season ended, CN renewed it for a fifth season because of the series’ popularity.
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@@DavidDumbedDown what’s the point of this comment?
@@Cheese23145 It's for the historians
Bro copied another comment 💀
And there will always be Voltron legendary defender who's ending was so bad it managed to make every single person involved in shipping wars agree on something
Except for the reason why it was bad. So there’s one part who thinks it’s bad only because their ship didn’t become canon. Which isn’t why the ending was bad
Forcing Steven's family to be neglectful and oblivious isn't just infuriating for the character assassination. It even teaches a bad lesson. Kids and adults should know that a panic attack or mental breakdown can occur even when your family and friends are loving and attentive.
Steven's family was always sort of neglectful since the beginning and they didn't exactly know how to care for a human so it wasn't character assassination.
they were like that from the first episode what are you blabbering about we see many times in the first season how steven was often left behind while wanting to go with them and they would leave for random time intervals
@@sirpheredin1379so basically ignore every time this was shown in the first season and act butt-hurt and say it’s character assasination when it’s always been there
@@laurenmungaray3912And a big theme is them learning how to and actually knowing how to (mostly)
@@oscar3153 Yeah! And what was steven going through at the end was new for them once again. Giving them more things to learn.
A lot of people meme on Kirby of the Stars/Kirby: Right back at ya, but the show actually pulled off it's finale really well. It ran for 100 episodes and devoted the last 5 to being sort of a movie-like finale event. It raised the stakes in those episodes, it had the big bad in the background finally show up and get defeated, and then it ended on a 'life goes on, but not in a corny way' note. For a show that was basically monster of the week with occasional reoccuring characters and story arcs, it really pulled it off.
I do think Nightmare was defeated a bit too quickly, especially considering his boss fight in the games.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 That was a big problem with fights in the show in general, they followed the formula of "Kirby gets an ability and *immediately* wipes out the threat with no proper fight." It's pretty disappointing that it extended to Nightmare himself, though, especially since the Star Rod got no proper buildup
@@Ah0yKatiefor what it is, I think it's at least neat that Kirby defeats him with something that was with him the whole time instead of idk, something that falls from the ceiling randomly
@@bluedemontr-whisperofwind-2296 Yeah, but the Warp Star's connection to the Star Rod is never foreshadowed, nor is the Star Rod given any of the lore or buildup it has in the games. It just feels like it's shoved in there last-minute because "this was his weakness in the games", it's sloppy and unfulfilling.
When the video game with like ten lines of text total gives more lore to the Star Rod than the 100-episode TV series, that's an issue.
@@Ah0yKatie Tbf, I'm pretty sure they just assumed the kids would think, "Hey, it's a big star ship thingie, now It's a small star rod!" And it *did* work, to be honest. But, Kirby: Right Back at Ya did have It's own lore that It could've expanded upon and didn't for the sake of keeping the train going, (Like the Fire God that Made Galaxia.), I do not agree with it being shoved in though, It's quite fulfilling to see Kirby finally getting a weapon, made from something in his past, being able to defeat someone that was nigh-untouchable until then, no?
In recent years Rise of the TMNT was very satisfying to me. The show was canceled in the middle of production on s2. But they still had the movie. So the crew did an amazing job, both visually and story wise. Gravity Falls and Transformers Prime are the ones that live on in my memory to this day.
I just love when the show lets the characters be. There’s a whole world that they can explore off camera. It doesn’t matter if we revisit them or not.
Unfortunately Prime's ending was butchered by a shit of sequel show that we call Robots In Disguise
@@Mystic-Mango After all these years, I just convinced myself into believing it’s a parody and I hope a lot of people did too
@@Mystic-Mangoi thought that was just a new adaptation transformer.
I don’t know if anyone else here watched it, but there was a Canadian cartoon called detentionaire that ran for 4 seasons and was such an amazing , plot driven show. It got cancelled and ended on a cliffhanger. The plan was to bring it to Cartoon Network to gain an American audience but CN basically screwed the show over by showing episodes out of order, with missing episodes. The show wasn’t picked wup by the US due to low views since it aired out of order. It’s unfortunate because it’s such an amazing show and the creators had plans for 8 seasons too. It’s gained some popularity in recent years and episodes can be found on RUclips
PLEASE i was obsessed with detentionaire as a child and in the modern day. its so unfortunate that such a visually interesting show with such a compelling plot got shafted. Unfortunately since the show is canadian its very unlikely we'll get a clone high or samurai jack-esque continuation/conclusion to it, but i still spread propaganda regardless
is that the show about a boy who gets framed for a massive prank in school and is trying to find the true culprit to clear his name?
@@mrlaz9011YESSSS... I watched it not long ago.
And that's why all the cartoonist in California are striking.
I loved Dtentionaire as a kid!
Cybersix, another Canadian cartoon got a similar boot too which made it end on a cliffhanger at the end of season 1 🙁
I’m like 99% sure there’s way better options to stop a genocide than destroying magic and committing another genocide
I think that's the craziest part about how SVTFOE ended
The fact that it wasn't canceled. This wasn't a rushed ending. There wasn't production issues they didn't have to scramble to get the ending out.
This was PLANNED. This was apparently how they wanted this story to end and that's what baffles me and probably everybody else
Hell, we've seen Disney cancel one of their more successful shows
The Owl House had a NIGHTMARE production because of Disney
Having episodes constantly leaked behind the creator's backs, Getting canceled and losing their final season, only getting three 40 minute "specials" to wrap up the story
But despite that, Dana and her AMAZING team managed to give us a much more satisfying ending!
I’m pretty sure it was states that Star Vs wasn’t planned. That really explains explains everything
@@cloudlion1610 do you have a source? because that's not what I've seen so I would love to look more into it
(I'm not accusing you of lying or anything btw sorry if it comes off that way. Im just genuinely curious)
@kykycupcake1 ig they're talking about the stvfoe book which showed an entirely different climax to the story. Apparently everything from the book was scrapped since you can find any of it's contents in the show
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@@uu2379 oh right! I remember hearing something about that. Including a totally different end villain? Wasn't it toffee's mentor or something? Maybe not his mentor but it was someone from his species right? The only issue is the series writers knew from the beginning how many episodes they'd be getting. Because again they weren't canceled, So what I think maybe happened was plans changed as the series aired? Because I also heard that they became more invested in the shipping wars than the actual plot (And if you watch the show it's pretty obvious that that's what happened)
Ponyhead was an extremely poisonous friend that I cannot imagine anyone liking (like the worst of Patrick's characterization in awful Spongebob episodes). The showrunner said she was based on her best friend irl so that is a yikes from me. Guess she likes having that kind of person around given how Ponyhead never learned any lesson, or was written with the intention of having lessons to learn.
I'll never understand the show's fascination with Lars and trying to redeem him. They eventually just killed him and replaced him with a completely different character with the same name too, so that was a bust.
Tom, one of the show's most beloved characters, was essentially a combination of all of Daron's ex-boyfriends and she intended to make him unlikeable. Also I heard that Star and Marco's relationship was based on her relationship with her husband.
@@hyrulehero2773 If that was her intention, they should have ended the show in season 1. Not write Tom into an eventually likeable person who cleaned up his act.
@@hyrulehero2773how poetic irony can be sometimes.
@@danielcrow5157 Tom's story might have been show runner's subconscious trying to tell her something about her ex and her relationship with him...
@@hyrulehero2773imagine putting a personification of your ex in your character 💀
For being cancelled mid season 2, The Owl House had a great ending for me at least.
Yeah, i wish it got more chance to shine in season 3. It was an amazing show, and disney cancelled it and then regretted their decision after they realised how popular it was.
Mid season 1 actually. Toh was supposed to have 4 5 seasons and the characters were not supposed to return to earth mid series
I will forever maintain that Ashi should have been a student/daughter figure to Jack, someone he felt responsible for as a mentor/pseudo-dad.
And yes, have her die/disappear the moment she collapsed. Then cut to Jack reuniting with his family and rebuilding his kingdom, happy but bittersweet.
The age gap made me very uncomfortable. He’s seventy five in the fifth season and she’s only eighteen. Plus I’m a sucker for a good mentor and student relationship :)
I'm gonna come clean here. As much as I love Genndy Tartakovsky and his works, if there was one thing I believe is his Achilles' Heel, it's trying to wrap up his shows. Samurai Jack Season 5 and Primal Season 2's finales have issues of rushing throw their stories just to reach their conclusions and Unicorn Warriors Eternal could follow in their footsteps is he isn't careful this time.
ive heard this before hes good at everything but endings
I really don't understand why the end of Primal S2 is controversial.
The issue I had with the ending of Primal season 2 was that it should have dug deep into Spear and Mira's relationship so that the ending felt more earned. Despite that, I still enjoyed it.
@@toon4thoughtMy issue was how the Colossus episodes shouldn't have been 3 full fledged eps considering how one of them was just reusing the same animations while introducing nothing to the series other than "the ruler of the giant boat is evil".
He left dexter on a good note... until CN and chris savino decided to ruin it but that wasn't on him
I didn't know Gennedy retconned the season 5 ending, but it honestly makes me happy he did. I'm a sucker for shipping and so I was happy to see Jack and Ashi together, though it was still rushed. My deal was that Jack fought so hard for so long to get home and now that he's home, he's not aloud to have a happy ending. Props to Gennedy for retconning that.
The Steven universe diamonds thing could’ve been worked around if they showed white diamond as a manipulative abusive monster who was constantly harming the other diamonds for the sake of her own ego and narcissistic goals. Make the other diamonds victims and show how victims can just as easily become abusers themselves. Make pink diamond a victim too who tried to make things better but due to her own fractured view of reality. Sometimes people can’t be helped, sometimes people are just monsters, and sometimes trauma makes people ugly and hurt others.
i think that became a balance of makign the gems both quite human yet also not that human. To be a truly manipualtive monster, their culture woudl had needed a precidence of famililial structure that could lead to that. Instead it was sapient beings behaving like they were supposed to be machines.
Honestly what was implied yet never answered, is that they ARE machines, magical machines, but they grew more and more sentient as time went on and didn't know how to contend with it.
The other problem is this; the show’s victims of abuse are usually quiet and, because the show is focused entirely on Steven rather than those who had been hurt by the diamonds, it really has that white saviour complex.
So when he’s talking the diamonds down, they become goofy aunts that are awkward to be around at Thanksgiving because she’s too powerful to beat and they’re still in power, it does come across as rather… naive.
@@taddad2641 My assumption was they were a sort of AI embedded in crystalline structures (I think there was an article about the possibility from around the time the show would have been in development, but feel free to check me on that), possibly created by Sneeple of some sort. You can JUST ABOUT make it work if you assume White Diamond was following programming... but it still would fall short.
@@christopherbennett5858 agreed
@@Dave102693 thank you.
It’s also a not really discussed point that the reason they need to get the diamonds on their side is because they need them to combine their powers as the only way to help the corrupted and (eventually) shattered gems become almost normal.
As there’s no other way to do it.
So, like in legend of Korra… the only way to heal is provided by the abuser.
Gotta say… that’s pretty messed up.
While not technically a "series" finale, the season 5 ending for Miraculous (the one that wraps up the entire main premise of the show from seasons 1-4) fits on this list perfectly.
Miraculous Ladybug really seemed to wanna give Star a run for its money on how bad they could make an ending. Unfortunately Star had an edge, since at least Gabriel didn't commit a genocide.
I've heard the movie is a much better take on things now that Astruc isn't involved, so I actually wanna give it a shot. Maybe we can get a separate movie continuity where they don't butcher Chloe's character arc and turn every other character into a superhero
Oh god I hate that show
didnt that show fall off hard after like 2 seasons
Miraculous has such an amazing concept, it’s really such a shame they fumbled the bag with its execution. It is my favorite show to hatewatch, the two MCs are horrible stalkers lol
@@Commenter839 the movie definitely treats chloe significantly better than astruc does in the main series, so you'll definitely enjoy it more than the actual show
as someone who basically worshipped SVTFOE as a kid, I remember how my heart sank with that ending, not because it was impactful or amazing but because it was incredibly garbage
I deleted the ending from my memories
Same here, but I got off the ship at the season 3 finale. So sorry to y'all that sank I just watched the disaster from the lifeboat.
Amphibia actually had the guts to execute its consequences. The characters knew from the very start that their time together was limited, and they went through with it.
It even leaves space for a possible continuation.
The end of the 'Marcy's Journal' book actually heavily implied they got a working portal to Amphibia working again!
I bet the Owl House gang helped them out since they're in the same universe. @@amandalynn4979
No real consequences huh? Got it
@@ManOfTheHour34564 I suggest watching before judging
It’s also the most sadly realistic ending.
Because as much as you try to resist it, change is inevitable, but you need it to live a full life. And as long as you remember those times, they’ll never really be gone.
“Change is difficult; but it’s how we grow. It can be the hardest thing to realise that you can’t hold on to something forever- sometimes, you have to let go. But of the things you let go, you’d be surprised what makes it’s way… back to you.”
Agree on *Teen Titans* ending being Tolerable. I like the theme of Accepting *Things Change* but the episode feels like it left many things open. Like Slade didn’t need to be in the last episode, it felt like “Look at the shows most popular villain one last time”. But I love that *Beast Boy* kinda won against him.
are you insane?! how is a cliffhanger tolerable? it's not,it makes me sad every single time watch that episode that we could've gotten season 6,season 6 could've been the finale,but noooooooo CN had to be jackasses and cancled it,giving us a cliffhanger for all eternity to make us depressed that we will *NEVER* know what happens next and you call it tolerable? such a cartoon hater
@@adamk-paxlogan7330SucksAdding to that season 4 was meant to be the finale but it was renewed for a fifth one due to popularity
@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks I don't think it was a cliffhanger. People who say that are probably missing the point of the episode. Its about growing up, and moving on from the past. Things Change.
me when i *Randomly* decide to put random *BOLD* words in my *Comment*
What I don't like about it is how vague it is.
How did Terra get freed from her petrification?
Did the White Monster have something to do with it?
Why doesn't she have powers anymore?
Did she use them up trying to stop the lava flow or did she suppress them?
Can she really not remember anything or is she pretending not to remember out of guilt over her actions?
If Terra isn't her name anymore then what is it?
How the hell was she able to safely remove that suit Slade put on her that was connected to her nervous system?
I get that they want to bring an end to the Beast Boy/Terra relationship but did they have to do in a fashion that raises more questions than answers?
To quote GamingSins: "Details, people. They ARE important"
The other terrible thing about the samurai Jack ending is that due to Ashi needing to fade away due to time travel, this means that everyone who jack met throughout the years of the entire show either is doomed in their timeline since Aku was never defeated, OR nobody in that timeline "ever existed" and thus every time jack decided to save others instead of returning home, it was all for nothing since they were going to disappear anyway. So either way Jack Doomed that timeline and everyone in it is dead.
I genuinely like the idea of Samurai Jack ending on a sad note where Jack ends up losing the one person who was able to claim his heart, but the way they went about it was really bad. The simple change of Ashi dying in Jack's arms right after he kills Aku, leading to that beautiful scene of Jack standing alone under the cherry blossom tree would be a powerful message that not all heroes get the girl, and sometimes winning against the villain has a cost that can't be avoided.
Credit to The Owl House for not losing its marbles wrapping up its loose ends in a respectable manner for the characters, in wake of Disney wanting to sniff out its flame
I think the BEST cartoon ending is adventure time. They left it just the right amount of ambiguous to bring it back in different mediums but also tied the building plot into a nice bow and serve it to us perfectly.
Bashing the SVTFOE ending will absolutely never get old. It should be a national holiday at this point.
Dark Brandon, please make it happen 🙏
Fr, who even wrote it??
It's like someone tried to recreate the Inuyasha ending but on drugs
The fact that it aired on the same day as the final episode of Game of Thrones is so fascinating to me. It was such a bad time for TV show endings.
@@michaelstrong5383 someone had to do it on purpose I swear, that was too perfect
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 i thought it was a prototype for GoT seas... oh wait (ITS SAME FUCKING DAY)
Honestly, the worst cartoon ending for me was Trollhunters. God, the movie's ending still boils my blood to this very day.
Oh gosh I forgot about that one!!
This ending infuriates me every time I thinkabout it. They really went "Nothing that's happened matters" without acknowledging the entire episode that said Jim was always supposed to be the Trollhunter (Unbecoming) and making the whole series pointless.
Luckily, I have fanfiction.
That ending to the Trollhunters universe felt like an ending to a CW show
The ending is just Jim unlocks easy mode cause he read the strategy guide
Omg so true
I like to imagine that if both Sweet Victory had played at the Super Bowl and Star had a great ending in 2019, the Covid would've never happened.
Audience: "your writing sucks"
Author: "I'm an asshole, what's your excuse?"
ah game of thrones author
If they're smug assholes who don't give a shit? Well, no one cares about Kevin Smith's next 'He-Man', so we can learn from past experiences and a horrible work can easily screw over the creators in the future if this is any indication.
I'm so glad that The Owl House was able to give us a satisfying ending despite Disney knee-capping the 3rd season to have only like 140 minutes in total.
Yeah !
in my opinion the ending was not satisfiying and you can't even use disney as an excuse. it could be so much better if the writers didnt tried to put so many characters that would just steal screentime from the actual main characters. we didnt needed raine, we didnt needer hunter, we didnt needed vee, it just made it more rushed
Imho it was quite boring and predictable and it was rushed
@@starboybellyjewel7524 SHUT UP !!! It’s not boring you say that because you dislike the show facts !!!
i liked the ending but you could definitely feel the effect of the handicap, which is only natural
16:35 the ending is Chanel chasers, We’ve been following an alternate Version of Timmy that wished to never loose his fairies, suffering the consequences ever since
star versus still upsets me, I remember how AMAZING like mid season 2 was, the mystery, story telling, how genuinely evil the villains were. I'm sad even thinking about the loss of such a dope show
well at least it didn't end like The Sopranos, where it just cut to black in mid sentance
13:51 My biggest problem with the ending of Samurai Jack is I always assumed Jack would defeat Aku but stay in the future when he realizes that if he goes back in the past and kills Aku then the future, the world he's spent decades in and all the people he's helped throughout the years, they will all cease to exist, basically making all his actions up to that point pointless.
Jack chosing to sacrifice his own personal happiness for the sake of all the friends and allies he's made over the years seems like the more appropriate way to end the series.
Definitely agree, that's what I was expecting to happen
What I found odd is the ending overlooks Jack’s family and makes them in the background. I would had thought that there would had been a reunion scene of sorts.
@@thecinematicmind Considering the finale completely forgot that Jack's parents are supposed to be old, I don't think a reunion scene would have worked at all.
Why would he do that and willing subject the world to god knows how many years of tyranny under Aku?
@@dave_the_slick8584 The assumption I always had is that he'd stay in the past to fight Aku, win, and become the new, just ruler of the world. This is because of the vision the guardian has that shows Jack as an aged warrior with a crown.
When I was a kid, I watched all the episodes of Sonic Underground on RUclips and I remember the line “Game over, Robotnic” because that was the LAST line of the FINAL episode. The ending was so abrupt that the line still echoes in my mind a decade later.
The fact that the series got cancelled so quickly that a proper “finale” wasn’t planned was so sad. At least SAT AM got some kind of ending, even if it were a cliffhanger.
I loved Underground as a kid. I'm still upset they didn't get to reunite with their mother.
18:58 Bruh this line has been living rent free in my head since I was a child lmfao.
Growing up with 4kids was quite surreal looking back on it, tbey certainly knew how to write cheesy but sometimes charming puns that were incredibly stupid
One reason why writers end things on cliff hangers is because they think they'll get another season if they do. It almost never works and the writers should really not put all their eggs in one basket. Hopefully when the writers win the riot they'll get proper pay and more freedom in their writing so that they won't have to hope to get another season to wrap things up.
Yeah but even then I do personally feel it is better to go this route rather than to try and rush the ending/storybeats, because while yes it is unlikely that their hope of a continuation will play out there is still always the possibility of fan demand if your show is really good and that means you don’t have to ruin the pacing of how you wanted it to go (samurai jack was able to accomplish it and while yes it’s ending isn’t loved I at least never felt it was rushed). I feel rushing the ending can sour the audiences view of the show as a whole which is more damaging as a whole
All the writer's strike is doing is making the studios look for alternatives to paying wages to irl writers, so I doubt they're going to win imo.
My guess is studios are thinking Ai might be the way to go if they can replicate/ pull popular topics and draw from them instead. (Example: Netflix offering high paying jobs for Ai product managers.)
@@RandomAnagram. you just described what studios are already trying to do and what the strike is trying to combat. Prohibiting the use of ai plagiarism is one of the main goals of both the writer's strike and now the actor's strike. As soon as the backlog of already approved shows and movies runs out there will be a noticeable drop in quailty in the media put out by these big studios and a noticeable drop in profit for them.
@nathanaellazaro3347
Makes sense, I just thought they were pitching a betch over quite a bit being fired because there were too many writers and shows not doing well at all that people aren't watching, so they downsized.
What I mean is like they hired all these people during lockdowns because people were at home consuming/binging streaming but now don't need as many after, and they're demanding their jobs back. That's my bad.
Hey thats whay happened in ALF
If I had a nickel for every time genndy make a good show with a rushed ending with a lover dying, I would have 2, which is not that much but weird that it happened twice
Thank you Amphibia and The Owl House for following Gravity Falls' example instead of Star's
I've read a critical article that Amphibia's ending also felt rushed, as in some sort of "Checklist" Ending
@@KeyleeTamirian nah it didn't. The main problem with S3 overall was that -Disney didn't have the balls to allow for the exploration of trauma for Anne and Sasha after what happened in True Colors- they had too many chill episodes when the show should've been way more plot-focused, especially after how S2 ended.
It's still solid but I wish it didn't waste so much time in retrospective. If anything the ending is the reason why the show is a 9/10 for me instead of an 8/10, it's legitimately one of the best endings I've ever seen on television period.
And Penn Zero
@@pacol.4302 To me having a "Hero sacrifices themselves to save the world" kinda ruined the ending, especially how obvious it was that it was coming.
@@doomchromee8648 it was done so incredibly well I could honestly care less about it being predictable
Wonder over yonder is a personal favorite of mine for, despite being cancelled, still had a pretty good ending.
Right? It's hilarious how it managed to have a satisfying ending by sheer coincidence.
Ashi's death in Samurai Jack seemed like it was directly recreating Gurren Lagann. Right down to "girl who's existence is tied to now-dead main villain, manages to not fade away until after epilogue wedding to hero."
Gurren Lagann it never made sense to me that her existence was tied to them. Seemed like an asspull to avoid giving the main character a happy ending. AT least her not fading had the handwave of 'spiral power' though.
@@professorhaystacks6606suppossedly the creators felt a happy ending felt off.
Personally i'm more annoyed with Simón coming across as depressed in the ending
I'd just change the ending to have Simón telling the child his adventures and going believe in yourself
Simón gave no effs about getting stripped of his mech during the fight against lord genome
How the heck can't he share his adventures?
The ending would have felt better for me with that small fix
Simon choosing a simple quiet life isn't a Bad idea, but the execution was meh
@@professorhaystacks6606the only "hint" is that lord genome never Saw her as his daughter
But lord genome was nuts for most of the series ... I always assumed it was his daughter but he hated her
It's been many years since I saw Sonic and Sally plow through everything in the series finale. And seeing it again here, only one thing crosses my mind.....
TOGETHER WE CAN SHOW THE WORLD WHAT WE CAN DO
They really got some inspirations from Satam for Forces didn't they
fist bump
"I saw Sonic and Sally plow"
I can't believe the fariy oddparents has ended with a generic episode that really didn't do well and yet after that ending there's two reboots, with the live action series was most likely ended. Although I wonder that the second reboot will go out.
The Muffin Movie is the true ending to me
Please tell me the name of the episode. I don't remember it.
@@STONKS_MemeMan "Fancy Schmancy"
To be fair, bad endings aren't a problem that only plague Western Cartoons. Asian Cartoons, live action stuff and stories in general often have bad endings....
It's like bad endings just plague media in general...
The longer the story, the harder the ending...
He stated that anime pretty much have their own big list of bad endings, which was why he didn't include them.
Gravity Falls, Avatar: The Last Airbender, BoJack Horseman, The Owl House, and Adventure Time (Before Distant Lands) prove that good endings are possible. I think a lot of times cartoon creators are in over their head and let ambition get in the way of good storytelling.
You csn evrn rush an ending and havr it go decently (generatorcrex)
Whats wrong with Distant Lands?
@@WerWer-gz5kk i think he saying not counting the continuation that was dl
Ngl, I always fell Adventure Time ending feel so underwhelming.
@johndonald9239 well it felt like the end of a chapter and were in the next at chapter
“A plot line so thin it made Peppa Pig looks like Shakespeare” That line will break anyone’s ego if said at their work
My biggest fear when it comes to my favorite story ever (One Piece), is that it will have a disappointing ending, but I always try to stay cautious. I do have some faith, since Oda has had the ending planned out from the very beginning.
If he even hopefully manages to live long enough to end it. Kentaro Miura and all that.
@@bradfork6853no no no no no! Don’t remind me of that. The wound never really healed more of an extremely sensitive scar. Don’t poke at it
Worried for something like that happening to my favorites like re zero, made in abyss, mushoku tensei, and love is war as well, even if it has good source it doesn't even end there because the promised never land season 2 exists
I have faith in Oda he said the one piece is a physical thing which means that the worst ending one piece could possibly have isn’t a possibility
@@bradfork6853don’t say stuff like that out loud
With Samurai Jack it probably hurt the most since I still remember watching the show on both cartoon network and boomerang back in the day. But hey unlike the others at least the video game Battle through Time kinda fixed the ending
Yeah personally I wished the show ended on a route similar to what the comics did, jack accepting he can’t return to the past and instead focus on stopping aku in the present and
My main problem with the final episode is how short it is.
Time travel. There's like 3 or 4 endings to Samurai Jack
And i prefer it to the TV show's ending.
Makes me especially glad that The Owl House & Amphibia both ended in a satisfying way.
Especially TOH,given the circumstances
@@d_c-k7nyeah, it was a miracle they were handed 3 1-hour-long Episodes for the finale
Those, and Gravity Falls and DuckTales 2017.
Thank goodness because both are amazing shows.
even tho the owl house ended cut short along with wander over yander.
The ending to Angry Beavers comes to mind as well. As in...the network simply made it disappear because it was a meta commentary on the show being cancelled and the characters realizing they are in a cartoon.
To me the worst part about SatAM's ending is that we ALMOST got a sequel movie...but Ben Hurst was thrown under the bus by Ken Penders in an effort to make HIS SatAM sequel movie. 😡
And the Archie comics went in a different direction and never even had a "What if..." arc where Snively is now the villain.
That, and Sonic Underground never got a proper ending, too, with no Archie adaptation or continuation to boot.
It feels as though Sonic X remains the only Sonic cartoon (even though it's anime) to have a proper ending. Sonic Boom isn't continuous with its episodes, so there was no need for an epic finale, yet it only got 2 seasons for other reasons. Here's hoping Sonic Prime doesn't end up like Daredevil (No Ending) or Skylanders Academy (main plot finished and villain defeated, but ongoing character arc has no proper resolution) or The Cuphead Show (ambiguous ending that isn't a definitive end, but not a cliffhanger either.)...
Which he's still sadly trying to get done to this day. Meanwhile he's made little no progress on it.
@@e1iteyoshi998 😱
Bad enough he's still messing around with the Julie-Su Chronicles, or so I've heard.
What's next, him STILL trying to make "The Lost Ones" a thing? 😑
(Look it up, folks)
@@X2011racer Last i checked Skylanders Academy is still going.
@@e1iteyoshi998 You mean at the Amazin' Adventures channel? What they're doing is equivalent to reruns on a different channel, such as when The Critic got reruns on Comedy Central after its initial runs on NBC and Fox had ended.
Skylanders Academy ended its run in 2018, after Netflix was unable to get the green light for more seasons from Activision Blizzard. The real reason why was never made clear, but it was speculated that either the higher-ups at Activision were unhappy with how the series turned out after 3 seasons or that Netflix actually didn't bother with Activision and decided to end the series after 3 seasons due to insufficient viewership compared to Stranger Things or Big Mouth.
What does white Diamond even mean by the line “acting like a child”? Gems as a species don’t have children….
Yeah, I don't think enough people point out how that specific line makes no sense lol. White Diamond shouldn't even know what a child is, much less that they're supposed to be immature.
White Diamond was convinced Steven was just Pink in another disguise, so she's tallking to "her", not Steven.
@@robertpaige4505 Yes, and Pink Diamond is a gem- she was never a child, and none of the gems had any concept of "childhood" before Pink colonized Earth. And even then, none of the other Diamonds cared enough about humans to learn anything about them.
White Diamond saying Pink was "acting like a child" doesn't really make sense in context because White should have no idea what a "child" is to begin with.
@@Commenter839 White knows a lot of things she shouldn't. Steven has nightmares about her and her power is related to the mind. It's never stated, but it could be possible she was peering into his mind.
Gravity Falls will always be my favorite ending to a show. (Well, maybe not ALWAYS, but I’ve yet to see a better one). It’s an open ending that still fulfills all the characters, and uses so much from the rest of the show. They did such a good job.
Some creators expect their work to go on forever, so they need to either make up an ending on the spot or make a mad dash to whatever ending they had in mind if they even get the chance. That's why I say either don't even try to make a continuous narrative, or have a thorough roadmap in place to make sure the plot doesn't derail later.
I like it when a show that clearly didn’t want to end, makes a satisfying ending that leaves u wanting more. I like it when they don’t rush a character and instead just keep a clif hanger cause it basically says “yeah we rushed the show, but we’re not gonna rush this character for they mean more than the deadline” (Star is a terrible example it didn’t have the guts to leave a cliff hanger and or take it’s time, but Wander of Yander was a good example, particularly with Lord Domknator) So is Robs ending in Amaizng world of gumball, cause the clif hanger tells everyone that the cast and crew will not except being canceled
I really disliked the trope of having cliffhangers before getting cancelled, but that's because I keep coming across them, and never watched shows that had rushed endings or stories that go downhill after its peak in the middle (purely by coincidence). Drived me nuts knowing the story's unfinished and will likely never see the resolution to all what they set up.
Young Justice's revival from cancellation was the first time experiencing a show that felt like it was going downhill after the peak, and I've now appreciated the original cliffhanger ending because at least the first 2 seasons felt like a decent story + conclusion.
I think samurai jack had a good message in its ending. The hero doesn't always get what they want but he still has inner peace
Not executed in the best way
Samurai Jack's ending is just Gurren Lagann Ending but.... there is no but...
in my opinion SVTFOE is the perfect example of how to NOT do an ending
I still remember sitting there as I watched the Amphibia finale with the constant thought of "Please don't let this be another Cleaved ending" echoing throughout my mind.
“I am a child, what’s your excuse” sounds like something that someone would tell a Minecraft RUclipsr
I think its a combination of our expectations as well as the fact that not all writers have an ending in mind. And if they do then its certainly not going to please everyone and thats okay.
That is why fanfiction exist.
I mean these days, you're lucky enough to get a second season (That isn't just shortening the first season and calling the second half Season 2.), forget making it all come together in a satisfying way all the time.
If I ever become a writer I'll write multiple endings
I'd like to highlight something that makes me apreciate what they were doing (or are still doing) with the Gumball ending a lot more, and that is how much build-up and foreshadowing it had.
Firstly, there's an episode in which Rob gets a TV controller that lets him mamipulate reality. The episode is pretty funny and creative but has a really interesting fourth wall break at some point when Rob fast forwards up to when the episode ends, with the credits and the "Next, on Cartoon Network..." and he seems shocked about it. The episodes ultimately plays normally and this is left aside, but at that moment, Rob discovered he was in a Cartoon (there are more fourth-wall-breaking episodes that present this theme, like one in which the whole episode is glitching which creates misunderstandings between Gumball and Darwing. At the end they see in a news channel that there's been transmission problems with TVs in the area, which makes them confuse "It's almost like we're on a huge..." and the episode skips to them having dinner with their family like everything has been solved, leaving them confused and akwardly laughing, but with a look of disconcert at the end).
Also, the void in which Rob falls, had been previously stablished many seasons ago to be the place where things goe when they stop existing (they use examples like many old fashions or Led Zeppelins) so basically what happened is that Rob found out that they're all in a cartoon and that it was going to either end or get cancelled, and during the final episode tried to turn them all into live action humans so they could escape to the real world.
Aditionally, the mother of Banana Joe is able to paint the future, and in one episode they end it with a tease/cliffhanger of her having just finished a painting of Gumball and his family running away desesperate in a world that seemed consumed by that void.
I don't know man, but I absolutely loved piecing that together and I hope that wathever continuation we get is able to close that succesfully
16:20 bruh whatchu mean, george be spittin straight facts through that show. Bro is mad deep
dinosawr raaawwrrr
The fact that 'libera me from hell' started playing in my head the moment the wedding happened with Jack, I was silently praying they wouldn't pull a Guren Laggan, I hated the ending in that I hated it here too.
I was hoping the creators of that show would sue Ginndy for plagerism.
I know the feeling
My biggest problem with Samurai Jack's cartoon ending is the implication that everything Jack experienced in the future was wiped clean. None of it mattered, except for Jack getting back to the present. All of the people he'd met and helped? Gone. Basically, if you watched the series' beginning, you could skip all the way to the end, and that's all that still exists in the timeline.
I don;t think they're gone. but they have different futures now.
Ashi disappeared from existence because the future she was born in no longer existed.
@@colleen4ever Had we any evidence of that I would agree. But we dn't see that and Aishi vanishing speaks at least a little bit against it.
@@professorhaystacks6606 There's no reason to believe no one would even be born! E xcept for Ashi, they could still exist. Their lives would be different
I have CPTSD and have friends with BPD and PTSD, I found Steven's behavior in Future to be relatable and believable with his level of trauma and spiral into the realization that he was traumatized and was trying to pretend otherwise and force himeslf to be better. I can't speak for your experiences of course, but have found that the vast majority of people that find such behavior unbelievable and extreme, are the people that have not been in that mindset. When he accidently kills Jasper was a completely perfect moment of showing how something can seem rational when we are at the height of mania and then crazy when we calm down and are actually rational. Steven had CPTSD, years of repeated trauma and abuse, and Steven Universe Future has so far been the best representation I have found of struggling to accept that, recognize the behaviors, and try to heal.
I honeslty never felt any anger towards an animated show until I saw Star vs the Forces of Evil. It's not enough to stop me form watching it again someday, but that last season and especially series finale was PAINFUL. It felt like there was an unreleased season 5 and I hate abrupt endings to death.
i heard sam and max "the office" in the background and now my life is complete
There’s a big push for endings to be “earth shattering” when all they need to do is cross the finish. Which leads us to… this. The worst part is the bad taste they leave in the mouth. And then there’s the cancellations… which don’t even leave us with that.
Edit: The original Gumball ending low-key gave me existential night terrors when it first aired and it somehow only became more chilling and cynical the longer it went on with no confirmation of a new season and the movie was only in unconfirmed rumors. The tonal shift created in a single scene at the very end is actually such a flex. 😂
I'd be interested in a follow-up to this showcasing some good cartoon endings.
I'm trying to think of what would be on the list. There's only 4 that come to mind (mostly because i've fully seen them)
Gravity fall: Weirdmagedon
Amphibia: The hardest thing
The owl house: Watching and dreaming
Centaurworld: The last lullaby -the best one definitely not biased-
I don't really know any others
Edit: I remembered Sozin’s comet
Ed edd and eddy. Wakfu is season2 didn’t exist
Star wars the clone wars
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 I finally finished watching through The Clone Wars for the first time this year, great show and an excellent ending.
Avatar TLA
Adventure times ending belongs here, those last 2 episodes just shoved so much into it and golb just shows up after being referenced like twice in the show and the Lich (a humongous pinnacle villain) isn't even existent, Finn and Jake do jack shit. The only good part about it was the fact that Betty and Simon's story was finally over with her sacrificing herself (even that felt a little stupid)
I genuinely think AT was being canceled as well and they just needed an end that season and had to scramble a story line for the last 2 episodes in order to resolve multiple story lines that were being shown.