What PAY PER MILE ROAD TAX could really look like!
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I already pay per mile everytime I fill up my tank. NO!!!
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We already pay by the mile, the tax we pay on fuel…
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@@pseudoism yes and you will pay again with this tax
This country is getting mad
It is
The UK is merely the beta test bed for what is going to be rolled out GLOBALLY over the next few years. After that?
getting? almost 1/3 the uk population is millennials lol 14 fkn million of em , and then folk wonder why its gone tits up lolol
Time to leave. Go where you are wanted and not milked like a slave.
@@BartMiko it’s getting greedy
Try to do this in France and the French people would be out in the streets protesting....
Here a moron will throw a brick at Greggs
The French do no mess around 😂
ANPR will surely just see a rise in cloned registration plates… 🤔
Good point
Definitely, number plate cloning will go through the roof.
Most of my mileage is visiting family living in the sticks on mostly unclassified roads. No moron is going to go to the expense of putting cameras in those locations, so maybe folks living in remote areas won't be hit by an ANPR solution as much as a mileage tax based on MOT mileage. And what about new cars which don't have MOT tests for a couple of years?
@@rugbygirlsdadg A new car is not liable for an MOT test for three years after it's first registration....unless used as a taxi, in which case it requires an MOT each year from new....
Suddenly the risk outweighs the cost, makes sense.
The cameras would be ripped down as fast as they go up.
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Remember what happened to the ULEZ cameras?
@@tonyhaynes9080 Has ULEZ been stopped?, no. Has the tax payer had to pay to replace the cameras?, yes!
And you'd end up paying increased Council Tax to repair or replace ripped down cameras..... Where else do you suppose the money will come from?
@@Brian-om2hhCentral government. Cant see local councils paying for it for all the money to go to government.
I do 52 miles per day just to get to work and back. I'm just a truck driver living in a rural area, so public transport is not an optional and work irregular hours. Ppm sounds absolutely terrifying to me...
Think how much extra tax your employer would be liable for too...let's hope for leniency
@DefinitelyNotAGuru My employer is Tesco, and probably doesn't care how much it costs- they will be able to pass it onto the customer. They are already paying £1200 pa for every six wheel traction unit...
Problem is that those who need to drive to and from work can’t re-coup the cost. The guy who drove to work to drive a Tesco lorry and then shops at Tesco is hit twice.
Government is about easy targets. Work, drive, drink, smoke, buy the basics get taxed at source and for the extras.
@@laurencemoore5737 basics of booze and fags? jeez, i think i just became a fan of government lolololololololol
@@GdaySport I'm on 40 miles Monday to Friday, that's 200 miles a week just for work. Absolutely disgusting. The government have gone insane!!!
This government will tax the motorists heavily in the next budget in one form or another. I doubt pay per mile would be workable, but extra fuel duty, and increased vehicle excise duty is almost certain. It gets an immediate revenue for the government and would help them fund really helpful stuff like hotels for migrants and millions in arms for Ukraine. We the public don’t matter to this government.
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This will lead to people driving around in untaxed, uninsured, cars with no mot as well. They can’t force people to buy black boxes to put in their vehicles.
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They won't really need to, as most cars built within the last 10+ years already have a tracking facility integrated....plus if you've got your mobile phone with you, and it's switched on, that'll do nicely.....
They won't need a black box. Do you own a smart phone?
@@bobjames6622 and? How will they charge you from that?
dude, they forced folk to have a tv licence and pay poll tax
Rural drivers who cannot get around without a vehicle due to lack of public transportation will be adversely affected by this type of taxation
Yep
I am 7 miles from a petrol station 15 from a supermarket and an hour from a major road 😢
But you also get to live in the countryside…. There are pros and cons of city v rural living.
@@jamesdaw131yes, living in the country, sky high council tax and absolutely no services!
@@jeffreyroberts7438 Yes but Rutland is a very nice place to live (most expensive council tax).
Nottingham City (second highest) isn't so nice and there are no services as the council is skint. They can't even reliably empty the bins on time! 😂
The grass isn't always greener!
Sales of aluminium foil are going to increase massively 😉
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It'd get the winter fuel payments out of the spotlight, but really doubt this would be workable.
ANPR would just force people onto backroads or induce a crazy amount of cloning and getting it from MOTs would just have people clocking cars.
You can't charge somebody the same for driving 20 miles to the nearest bus stop in the Highlands as for 20 miles in central London driving past multiple tube stations.
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indeed but we will start to see thoe wealthier areas hit harder than us id hope under labour
Getting mileage from MOTs… ? questionable for those who drive thousands of miles on the continent each year. Plus all those foreign plated vehicles?
@@Starmerispureevil And not everyone bothers to get an MOT each year. Owners of foreign plated vehicles are - by law - legally obliged to register their vehicles with the DVLA if they intend to stay in the UK for 6 Months or more. Although few seem to....
@@Brian-om2hh Indeed, at our previous house the neighbour had an Italian registered car for the seven years we lived there. Doubt if it were taxed, insured or had any kind of annual test, but she happily pottered around town in it.
No one knows if it’s likely to be announced. Pure speculation. Anyway, we already have pay per mile, it’s called fuel duty. The further you drive, the more duty/tax you pay.
Speculation indeed, so I hope people stop asking for it before they know what it will be!
Not f you drive an EV!
@@helipeek2736 ….for now.!
The only people who they need to sort out are EV drivers. Any new system should only apply to EV's, as ICE drivers pay fuel duty already.
@@garymellor7997 I think Jim like many other car industry commentators have been talking about this more and more. The government has done little to quell the fear of PPM taxing so I would say it's extremely likely to come up in the budget as Jim suggests
I will retire and sell the car. Pay zero income tax, zero NI contributions, zero insurance tax, no VEL or fuel duty.....
I will not pay an extra £1000 a year to go to work to do a job that I enjoy - I will just work part-time in a scratty job near home.
Cash in hand like everyone on benefits...... ?
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millennials thinking right there
There is no such thing as 'Cash in Hand'work anymore.... Technology put an end to that years ago.
@@chrisd924 i literally just paid folk cash in hand :) so it depends... :)
Little do you know! @@chrisd924
How much more tax can they wring out of motorists! Sooner or later we are going to get priced out of this Gov. cash cow.
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how many times are there 4 passengers with you in your 5 seater car?
When that happens the people who are for it will be taxed on something they love to fill the black hole left by no one driving their cars anymore.
@@PazLeBon most of the time in my car...and we cover 10k annually.
@@WillMorgan89 will be a tax for thay soon , on spare seats :)
You go to work, pay all your bills and if you are lucky have £40 or £50 left over each week to save for Christmas or a holiday.
Thats the bit you work for and thats the bit they are coming for.
Your Christmas and holiday money.
What they havent though about is once that bit you have left is grabbed from you, what are you actually working for ? The state will pay your rent and council tax, give you money for food.
So why bother.
People will give up, pack working in and lay on the dole.
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I suspect that what you mean is *more* people will give up and live on the dole.
You'll get sod all if you Jack your job. Its not that easy.
Tax Christmas next?
Maybe you need a beer paid job
This is a nonsense. Remove car tax and add an increase to the fuel duty. It’s difficult to understand but the more miles the more fuel you need to purchase. No administration end of.
Move on.
Fuel duty is already huge and how would they charge it on electric cars?
But the present system of collecting tax via fuel duty won't work too well once sales volumes of petrol and diesel begin to diminish. That's why a new system is being considered. It appears the tax will switch from fuel to actual road *usage* This will mean that even those who live off-grid, and charge their EV using solar, or those who somehow obtain fuel for free, will still pay their share to use the roads.
I bet that 90% of annual mileage comes from commuting to work. It is basically punishing working people yet again.
YES!
I've seen a lot people getting confused thinking Pay Per Mile tax is magically linked to the MPG of their diesel/petrol car and stating they get 600 miles to the tank so they will better off..... WTF!
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@@OldCodeMonkey like when people say it still only costs me a tenner to fill up 😂
@@johncutmore3510 Or the “I’d rather stick with my 40 year old Vauxhall Viva…” 😂
@@johncutmore3510 if it was 'filling up' that would be true
Is it me, but are there more stupid people around these days.
I don’t remember the 80’s and 90’s having this many stupid people walking around.
I really think the food quality and the seed oils they poison people with are doing some damage.
Add the fluoride they add to the water, I think there is a lowering of I.Q levels.
Had a meeting with a senior gov’ advisor three weeks ago who stated that it was their aim to get people out of cars. The meeting was 40 miles away from my home - I pointed out that taking the bus would have meant I would have been 1.5 hours late for the meeting, train would have involved a 25 mile drive to the station.
What exactly is the purpose of that? it's one of their biggest cash cows...I'm 20 mins drive from a train station msyelf and 10 mins walk from a sodding bus!
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru . I know, they think we all live in major cities, I’m actually about to work on a transport project over the next few weeks , the results might be interesting.
It is all connected to the 15 minute neighbourhoods, they don't want you moving around. They would prefer you to be confined to one area, like medieval peasants.
How would it benefit the government to get people out of cars? The Treasury rake in £35 billion each year from the UK motorist. Plus no car industry would mean millions more people out of work. How will this be advantageous to either the government or the economy? Around 800'000 people are employed in the UK car making industry, along with millions more in the associated trades and businesses that supply it. Plus jobs would go at car dealerships, oil refineries, motorway service stations, fuel tanker drivers, garage repair shops, car body repair shops, tyre fitting depots, petrol stations, the AA and RAC etc. And you thought it was just about getting rid of cars?
@@WheelieMacBin Utter nonsense. The economy couldn't function with people restricted to 15 minutes of where they lived. You probably travelled more than 15 minutes from your home in the last few days.....
Cheers Jim. Yes, defeat software (mileage blockers) is already an issue. And would people like taxis get exemptions…I might become a cabbie if so. It’s all a mess. I feel sorry for the youth who love to drive and already face crippling insurance costs. They missed out on the fun and freedom that driving gave us when we were young!
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There's so much traffic on the roads now that driving isn't fun any more for anyone.
@@rugbygirlsdadg we dont all live in the bronx thanks
The reduction in the London speed limit to 20mph has seen a lot of cab drivers fighting to keep their once clean licence after rapidly ending up with 12 points. It's now ridiculously easy to get done for doing 23mph in what was 30.
@@BigYouDog 20mph lololl can literally run faster
Its not just rural our new towns were built and have bad public transport etc so its not like cities with tubes and buses every 10 mins or so it will rake in money but fuel inflation and businesses will be hit
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Just a thought. If this is due to EV being more popular meaning lees money from fuel duty. What about less people smoking. Will we be charged for fresh air?
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If I was a betting man I would bet on fuel duty rising.
No infra structure required, instant flow of cash, and it has not been increased for 12 years.
Same here actually
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Have you noticed how the price of fuel has been dropping lately? that is so, when they increase the tax, the rise won't seem so bad but then the price will go back up again. We are not stupid, we know what they are doing, well we are stupid because we will let them get away with it.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru it makes absolutely no sense introducing a system that would cost millions maybe billions to introduce. Then there’s resistance to privacy from certain groups, maintaining the system. Simply put up fuel duty, collect the money with no such hassle.
Imagine if your daily commute is 57miles each way! It’s another tax on working.
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I'll be breaking the law. I'm not paying.
UPDATE VIDEO HERE: ruclips.net/video/YRbOp4pdUiY/видео.html
Hope it doesn't come in me and my wife are disable we use our car a lot 19000 miles a year and if this came we couldn't afford to drive. Hopefully as we have a motorbility car and don't pay road tax it might not affect us. But saying that it would be a total rip off. And we drive electric Kona as as it is cheap as chips to run we save £400 a month we electricity as to petrol. Great video
Surely they’d do something to help disabled folk? Although look what they’re doing to pensioners…
The tax exemption should continue
@@isackville yes they might put the price of electricity up
The taxpayers are paying for your car not you.
Well I'll have to go on the dole as I couldn't afford to drive to work. Why not just tax every car regardless of whether it's electric or not. Also, I imagine if this tax is brought in, it will ruin tourism, so will have a knock on effect of local businesses. We need to have a re-election. Get these awful mps out of Westminster.
Update on this here ruclips.net/video/YRbOp4pdUiY/видео.html
If they were to fix the roads in EVERY street in my area then I perhaps wouldn’t grudge paying 15ppm but it will never happen. I think my local roads department are hiding in a dark basement somewhere. One watches the basement door and the other 5 stand around smoking.
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We already pay enough money to fix the roads through vehicle tax and fuel duty. It's not used for that but rerouted for benefits....
God my neighbour works 70 miles away. 160 per day Jesus , he said he would just pack work in.
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Every one go on strike not drive not get any tax then be a tax if we breath
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So as driving instructor, who pays. Me or the pupil. Will mean less time driving and more time sitting talking about the roundabout ahead. What about delivery companies.
But we can stop this very easily. Just needs the country to come together. Needs the delivery companies to refuse to deliver to ANY where in a London, Manchester , Birmingham, Glasgow , etc City Centre Addresses. To any address associated to the Labour party or it's donators businesses. ALL taxi companies refuse uplifts from any thing to do with Labours MP's. Or Labour run Councils.
There are multiple non violent non direct ways of telling Labour enough is enough.
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I think we need to watch this one. The 15p per mile figure is being put around but there’s nothing official has been announced. I think this may be a clever ploy, get everybody annoyed and then when the official announcement comes and it’s a much lower figure they’ll hope we’ll all sit back, say “that’s not too bad” and accept it. Then once the tax is introduced it will start to creep up.
Very likely - the 15p seems daft which is why I started at 2p - I’m sure it’ll be on top of something else anyway, and fuel tax of course.
I think that's pretty much the plan.....
I think it will turn out to be 6 or 7p, then everyone will breathe a sigh of relief..... They were probably looking at 6 or 7p anyway.... This lot are already treading along the path of political suicide at the next election anyway. So enraging millions of motorists will only ensure that happens for sure. You hit someone hard in their pocket, and they won't forget in a hurry....
This is exactly what I was thinking too.
yep just like they took the internet got everyone on board and now its ruled by the few
Tax money is wasted
Agreed!!! UPDATE VIDEO HERE: ruclips.net/video/YRbOp4pdUiY/видео.html
Go back to the purpose of this Tax, its because we dont have enough money to fund the roads because we used C02 as a way of bringing in money and with EVs that leaves a black hole. If we made roads more efficiently we wouldnt need as much money to fund it. I've put forward internal cost savings to how we manage our road contracts but its not biting. They dont want to listen and its so annoying. Really having a Tax break on EU class A or making a Kei car segment in the UK would save the maintenance on the roads, lower congestion, clean up the air and being reasonable with Tax (fixed at £10 a month for them and EVs) and the problem is solved.
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It's to stop you leaving your manor.
They only spend a fraction of the road tax on the roads. 🧐
You already pay per mile when you buy fuel via tax. Are they wanting to track your routes to figure out exactly how far you travel? IE all a tracking scam. Or, will you be billed this at the pump for expected distance? That is the small detail they dont want you to get into.
Let's hope we never have too and that this is pure rumour.
here is a novel idea that already exist in other European countries -> motorway vignette. They are date based for either a short duration (day, week) for tourist or hilday drivers or you pay for a month, or year. if you are caught without one while on the motorway you pay a fine and get points on the license. if you are in rural area and don't have access or use motorways you don't need one, otherwise most people will pay for an annual one. and you can just set the pricing exactly what you want it to be and give discounts to whomever you need to (low income people, veterans, disabled people, pensioners etc.) you can use exactly the same systems you use for car tax to pay for this electronically and it will cost the government almost nothing to set up as it's exactly the same system they already have for just with a different name. Or just forget this entire thing and just increase the car tax as that is system already in place so there is no extra cost associated with it to come up and implement a completely new system, cause you know that will end up being millions upon million of pounds.
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Or just put fuel duty up
Then everyone will want to live in Dorset because we don't have a motorway. 😂
if this comes it will put prices up for everything food,fuel,electrical items.everything is delevered by air and road
Always been a fan of your excel spreadsheet Jim 😊 brilliant content, thank you
😂😂😂 thanks mate
Bottom line more tax that will cost a fortune to be administered and on the will be totally counterproductive. And really stifle growth in the economy!!!
Yep
Perhaps that's why Labour feels it's a wonderful idea.....
ANPR camera have been put up already nationally.
Not enough, nowhere near enough
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru disagree
They might get accidentally damaged?
@@glenn5328 And as a result, you may find your local Council Tax increasing to pay for that damage.
@DefinitelyNotAGuru In order to bring this in they would need to devise a system of implementation. If they had this they would bring it in tomorrow. The only true PPM system would need to have a black box GPS system that tracks your cars every movement.
The problem is that they need to get some tax from EV's as they aren't getting fuel duty from them. Pay per mile would make sense for EVs, BUT they also want us to switch from petrol and diesel cars to EVs, so they would need to tax non-EV cars even more, otherwise there's no incentive to switch. BUT most people can't afford an EV, let alone with an additional tax burden. So all this will just fuel inflation and push interest rates back up. We're all doomed!
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Why don't they just charge £190 per year for all electric vehicles.
how come its always the MOTORISTS that gets PUNISHED its easy targets
It's everyone Les
Because there's a limited pool from which they are able to draw from....they know they can't impose motoring taxes on people who don't drive, or don't own vehicles. The last clever little sneaky move was imposing insurance tax on motor insurance policies. They knew everyone needed car insurance by law, so it was relatively easy prey.....
For all those that say I only do a few thousand miles I don’t care you’ll soon be caring when inflation goes up again and everything you buy goes up to offset it
Exactly
So the more i work and commute, the more i will get taxes. Along with tax brackets, this country does not encourage people to work at all. I might stop working and claim some benefits then.
Shameful eh
more like just another excuse to be a bum
I'll be interested to hear how you'll swing that. It's no longer easy or simple to claim benefits just because you don't want to work. And even once you get your hands on those benefits, you'll find you have to agree to a programme of measures, one of which is to apply for a set number of job vacancies in a specified time period. If you don't it's goodbye benefits.
@@Brian-om2hh The reason I made that comment because I see this happening if that is the case. I have seen so many people swing it and claim benefits, go to their GP and mention they have mental health issues and can’t work, get ADHD or Autism diagnosis and say most work don’t fit them. This will just be another thing.
Yep agree no point in working Just to pay it out...Jack work in
Just like the Poll Tax, great idea until they got greedy and wanted too much per person, same for this.
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It makes more sense to tax vehicles by weight + emissions. There's already an incentive to drive less miles, there needs to be an incentive to buy smaller cars.
I think we should go back to the tax disc and just base it on the fuel. A diesel costs X, a petrol costs X, a Hybrid costs X, an EV costs X. Simple.
But taxing cars by weight would be grossly unfair for some drivers, as you might have someone with a Range Rover who drives 4000 miles a year, and someone else with a Fiat 500, who covers 15'000 miles per year. Which one uses the roads more?
@@Brian-om2hhyes but heavy car damage the roads more. There probably is a better way.
@@keithbrown339 Loaded vans and trucks also wear the roads out, but that doesn't seem to have been a big issue before now....
If current road tax was based on emissions then why do vehicles with identical engines rate differently based on what year they were made? If tax was based on emission results proved at the MOT station, surely this would be a fairer system. PPM on top is just ridiculous!
No government should be able to change the rules of how we pay taxes for the road infrastructure which is paid for and owned by the people not a few politicians.,there needs to be a referendum on any proposed changes for the public to decide,this is an attempt to squeeze more money out of motorists,reducing emissions as less people will be able to afford to drive,it will not make any difference to the wealthy and politicians with their extravagant expenses.
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End tax on petrol and it might work. But 5000 miles a year at 15p per mile (which ive read about) will be £750
I can only think (hope) that the 15p is a nonsense - I'm sure a tabloid probably came up with that figure but who knows
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru problem is, even if they bring it ina at say 1p per mile, we all know they will keep increasing it (much like Insurance Premium Tax)
People won't tolerate that.
If payper mile does in fact come in and it is charged retrospectively I can see many people who are currently just keeping their heads above water saying "Sorry, but I don't have the money to pay this bill". What then will the government do? Take the car off them to pay the bill? An old banger would not be worth the money owed, arguments as to value of said car. Put them in prison? That would also cost more than the money owed. No car, not able to get to work, go on benefits, thats a real money earner for the government. Best outcome is to keep current V.E.D. but charge electric vehicles same as I.C.E. ones and make some real money. Pay up front, or dont use your vehicle. The technology to catch untaxed vehicles is already in place. Surely the first rule of law making is do not make a law that cannot reasonably be enforced. But then since when do governments have common sense.
Let's hope it doesn't happen
Great share
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Additional tax is more like it, whilst HMRC rate for using your own car has been 45p for how long
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Absolutely! Why are we still claiming an allowance fixed back in 2011? How much have running costs and fuel increased since then. It is bloody insane and a total mystery more people haven't protested.
I run a SME manufacturing business that has roots on the 1940s with 12 valued long serving employees. We work on very low margins due to overseas copyists filling tin shed with poor quality imitation goods. I could not pass on those sort of increase to my customers, so unfortunately if this government / self promoted defenders of the workers, do this it will put the final nail in the coffin and the business will close. We may be small but there are many similar skilled businesses that don’t make huge profits that will just give up.
Let’s hope this doesn’t happen
They can piss off. we already pay per mile, it's called fuel duty?
They can pi55 off with a lot of their plans but we will just bend over and let them shaft us as we always do.
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Driving is just a mugs game these days, I'm beyond angry, whatever the final outcome is, very little will be spent on roads and will be lost in the bureaucracy of government. The money doesn't go to the places it needs too, I can honestly see the people rising up just as they did against the poll tax. I know its only speculation but ideas get put out to test the water and this will be being driven by people who will gain the most.
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How long before it's £1 a mile😮😮😮😮
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People will have to move closer to work or find a job nearer
Labour isn't working, tax tax tax...free clothes, free Taylor Swift tickets, money for his child's education, free flights , free holidays etc But let's tax the working class.
I tried very hard to get some Taylor Swift tickets for my daughter, after beimg quoted £1200 for a £55 ticket I got her the Blu-ray instead. Sad Times - I should have just become PM instead!
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Cars for quite a while all have a tracker. Pay every month, and settle every year? MOT at three years is too long. Plus write-offs, if nothing can be checked, what happens? At least they're not trying on-vehicle electricity metering, but that's so daft they might.
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Exactly from where do they expect us to find the money, I’ve just worked out that after taxing my panamera, the wifes Range Rover, my lads pair of matching RS6’s, the daughters evoque and my panigale V4R I’m going to cancel one of my holidays next year!! 😢
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The only logical and fair way to charge all road tax is to put it onto the cost of petrol, diesel and electric, that way, those who use the road, pay for it. Pay per mile can't be enforced whereas collecting it on petrol and electric is straight forward. The incentive for motorists will be to use the most energy efficient vehicles, so "yes" it will have the desired effect. The problem is the lack of affordable public transport away from the big cities (a solution will need to be found). PS I'm a low mileage driver with a 1 litre car and a 2.5 litre SUV used to occasionally transport heavy tools between my workshop and my customer's premises. To put pay per mile on top of road tax would ensure the Labour party will be consigned to history forever, although the way Starmer is carrying on, that is likely to happen anyway.
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Absolutely crazy, won't be worth working... Zero public transport for my rural commute for a 12 hour shift....
Let’s hope this doesn’t happen
Adjust all of the recent and upcoming cost of living rises and deduct it from your council tax. Write to the council with an income and expenditure statement and tell them you can only pay this amount. Clearly state you are not refusing to pay and will make up the shortfall when things pick up again. There's not much the council can do other them accept you payment proposal - you will always owe the money [unless you file your own bankruptcy at some time in the future] and it will continue to increase [ask that no interest be added to the debt]. Now either things will pick up or you will die with the rolled up debt. The council have nothing of value that they can withhold from you and have not provided you with anything tangible so you can maintain your current standard of living [existence] placing the increases onto the council. Do not do this unless you are genuinely struggling.
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My Wife uses her car to get to work (nurse), and we use it to travel to visit my parents who are now in seperate homes with Alzheimer's 40 miles away from us. We own a camper which we use to travel this country keeping all our money within the country, not foreign holidays. We can easily rack up 30k miles a year. So what gives? Do we stop the holidays which contribute to the uk economy? Do we stop visiting my parents and taking them out? Do we stop working? Public transport doesnt go where you need to go at the time you need to be there and is far too expensive. Taxis can only get more expensive under PPM too.
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I do 24,000 miles a year to drive to work and back on a 4x4 shift and live away. This extra cost means it is not going to be feasible to work anymore. I may as well go on the dole and i will cost the government more instead. There are a lot of people that work a long distance away from home each week. They will be seriously reconsidering if it worth working anymore. I may just go to france, chuck my passport and come back as an illegal immigrant, and get well supported....
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The UK taxation system has gone bonkers!. Taxing left and right because of an incompetent government who prioritise the wrong things and not serving the people. How could this ever happen in a developed country. One can see the "system" is broken and as "modern" civilization, it should be fixed but your OLD ways are preventing it.Stupidity or stubbornness or whatever, it is sad to see.
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They do this in New Zealand. You have a mile counter fitted to your front wheel, and you buy a milage tag in blocks, 1000, 5000, and 10,000, etc. If you get stopped, your milage tag on your wheel has to be less than your purchased miles, or you get a fine
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This has nothing to do with emissions, and clean air... we need to stop this
The original idea was to get revenue from EV's, so why not simply tax EV's like a basic low emission car.
Pay-per-mile is a scam, over kill.
The car with a car tax of £200 has unlimited millage - PPM would need to be 0.003 based and average of 10,000 miles per year
Motorists are easy pickings, PPM tax, Car tax, fuel Tax - city congestion tax, ULEZ - come on...
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Labour are bonkers
Politicians in general are
Maybe the government and local councils need to look at where they can save money that is wasted. I recently did some construction work at the council depot In Aberystwyth. On a daily basis there was upwards of 20 staff stood doing jack all for an hour in the morning and for on average 3 hours in the afternoon (waiting to clock of). Then recently came the news that they are closing the children’s ward at Aberystwyth hospital. Nearest children’s ward then is 40 miles away. A serious rethink on the way the public’s money is spent is what’s needed. Everything is so complicated. Tax on this tax on that. It cost millions no doubt to chase up on all these bits and pieces of tax. Make it simple and tax everyone a higher percentage on their earnings…..I could go on all day
Wastage is huge whenever public money is at play
By the “mile tax” rather than increasing fuel tax is obviously about authoritarian control, not raising revenue! Why don’t you address this?
I’ve got a car channel mate, not a political one
7500mls per year you are far off the mark there. I have been in the motor trade most of my working life and that figure is way off the mark. In your opening statement you said 10 to 15k is purported to be the average mileage for most of the driving public and that figure is correct. Just where did you pluck that 7.5k figure from, what a load of absolute sh#te that is.
It's the official figure from MOTs and it's 7,400 actually although some press report as 6,600. Ignorant comment. Google it mate, you might learn something.
I already pay £600 road fund coz my car although second hand cost over £40 K when new.At 8 K per yr . I could end up paying over £2 k to just keep it on the road. W T F is this govt doing to us ordinary folk. They must really hate us.
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The knock on effect of people not travelling to shops , store's etc will cripple the country . Who comes up with these ideas, politicians that have never done a hard day's work in their lives. No common sense again .
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Pay per mile would be differentiated by type of vehicle as road tax is now. If you hire a car the companies would presumably add a per mile "admin" charge.
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A tax such as this could literally put me out of business if the number of pence per mile were set too high. I cover between 15,000 and 20,000 miles per year. However, my earnings are low. Most of this is down to me having to travel to my customers. I tune pianos so I HAVE to go to them. I can't ask the customers to bring their pianos to my workshop!
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You’d be surprised how many people do 15,000 to 20,000 miles a year who’s gonna pay nearly 2 grand a year to do that? Come on? It’s an absolute joke. When are we all gonna stand together and stop these idiots telling us what to do and taxing us on everything It’s okay for them to put money in their back pocket. Lie about things when they say they’re gonna change things and help us out and they don’t you know you’re talking about people that partied all through Covid and sniff cocaine in the house is a parliament but yet they’re always picking on Joe blogs pathetic
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If they implement this all i’ll do is buy the latest games console with my last wage quit my job run up every credit card i have and sit on the dole eat crap food and get fat…….actually sounds appealing 🤦🏻♂️😆
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In one way for someone like me it would be brilliant. A fleet of toys costing me 0 until I use them. Genius. Range rover sport, focus RS, Mustang - all totally legal with just an MOT and insurance. Costing absolutely 0. Right now I pay nearly £1000 for my car, wife's car, and a camper van. I can't afford anymore cars. With this proposal would mean I can get some toys on the drive without paying more tax. Conversely. It's going to be overly expensive to even have a job, if you live rurally.
I’m sure this would be “on top of” which is why I say “be careful what you wish for”
I've been keeping an eye on this since it was first uttered.
I am an accounts assistant that was working 3 miles away from home. Not bad. Boss wanted to move the office, so now it's a 72 mile round trip per day. Making my annual mileage 16,704 purely for work, no private miles includes. The fuel cost from this move already went from £50/month (including private) to over £250 (Not including private).
At £0.02 that's now £334
At £0.15 that's now £2,505
~£3000/year fuel and now this could quickly make it more worthwhile for me to work at the ASDA round the corner.
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anyone watched coldfusion video on privacy in vechiles tax is just becoming daft now
I haven't
@@alexcavallucci9958 yes. Terrifying. Thankfully its not as bad here in our hellhole we call the uk
.. the idea of Higher Fuel-duty Only, NO Road Tax, was mooted years ago.
- That's proportionate charging, surely??
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🤔 I drive of average of 12000 miles a year it's going to cost me a fortune if they bring this in and it probably won't be worth going to work 😮 and they say 15p mile while I can say that's going to go up I think the general idea is to get us out of our cars I must use my car for work I drive 250 miles a week I think it's a bad idea for car drivers.
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Untill all the private jets stop i wont be paying this and will rack a massive bill up no probs 😎😎
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Do not comply, if we all refuse to pay then the system fails. We just need to stand out ground en masse, like the Poll Tax rip off
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Wow ok I'm hgv driver and can do 100k per year in the hgv , so this could be a problem when you consider being a knock on effect due to cost of everything
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£150 every 1000 average miles 10,000 £1500 a year on top of fuel taxation 🤦♂️🤦♂️😡
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It will finish everywhere you have to get to by car pubs,shopping centres,zoos stately homes,garden centres.
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Skilled men in engineering are few and far between. If they stop travelling the countries infrastructure will falter. Power stations hospitals food processing will all suffer massive blows.
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I trust that commercial,trade and heavy vehicles are going to be taxed the same . I would like to hear that section of the motoring industry?????
That would really screw the economy if so
They will pass it on. They couldn't possibly absorb it.
I agree with reducing emissions but I'm not sure this is a way to do things. I have been talking about this for a couple of years. I may well end up in the 5000 to 7500 columns however I do not agree with the intentions behind it. The cost of living crisis is hitting people hard and this will hurt them and the economy and I think quite significantly. The Road Tax on luxury vehicles and high emission vehicles has not been around that long and I'm sure is giving the government a tidy profit. It really just seems counter productive. This is a huge move towards austerity via labour. Seems very short sighted and seems like it will look good on the government in the short term and have a huge negative impact long term
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All I can see is there goes the town centre if they start charging per mile I’m probably not going to make the odd trip into town and pay for parking when I can get it delivered for less resulting in I can imagine the death of city centres.
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Think of the poor bugger next year with their "luxury" Vauxhall Astra that has a list price of over £40K, paying £600 (£190+£410) for five years in road tax, plus another £1,500 in pay per mile tax every year 😬
Ouch!
The there is also a Property Valuation Tax.
One for another Video no doubt?
Another Policy of short sightedness from Labour once again.
Proposed at 1% or 2% of your property valuation.
Property Valuation of £350,000
1% = £3,500
2% = £7,000
Per Year.
Property Valuation of £1,000,000
1% = £10,000
2% = £20,000
Per Year
Just as stupid as 'Pay Per Mile'
Not to mention a 'Water Tax' & 'Boiler Tax' to be announced.
I do cars rather than tax/politics so only tend to cover these things if there's a crossover
Millions would be saved if taxes of similar varaints, all came under one administration?
1:
Road Tax
Fuel Duty Tax
2:
Income Tax
National Insurance
Council Tax
3: etc...etc?
Fuel Duty Tax is already 'Pay as you go per mile' as already stated in your posts.
I think we are more likely to see the end of the fuel duty cap being announced. 5p a litre duty increase, particularly as fuel prices have fallen recently, they'll see it as the perfect opportunity to increase the duty. Much easier to implement and a massive instant increase in revenue.
@@trevorphillips3055 More like 25p because of war in Ukraine.
It seems like a given that the fuel cap will go. They should look to properly regulate the retailers as that would probably do more for the pricing than the cap did.
@polakmay5308 The price of crude oil has fallen. I know this government are clueless, but surely they have more sense than to add 25p to a litre! The impact that would have would be massive.
Labour have strongly hinted they will remove the fuel duty escalator, and it is possible we'll see a 10p per litre increase on fuel....
Wise words mate maybe it will encourage more to use the HS2 moneypit!! Which hardly anyone goes into the office since COVID especially London I would have thought
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Is it 15p per mile, or 0.15p per mile? Are you mistaking £.15 with 0.15. No one in the right mind would suggest a tax of 15p per mile . For an average of 10,000 miles that would be £1,500 vs £15.00. Totally unaffordable
15p - the rumour in all the press is 12-15p not .012! DO you realise how much you're currently paying per mile in terms of fuel duty???
Starts 15p then goes up they will also have to put a gps tracker in your car big brother is watching.
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My son drives 46 miles a day to get too and from work, there is no bus service, train service as this is a very rural area. He will need a pay rise to cover this £154 extra a year on a salary that’s crap in the first place. But are all cars going to be taxed the same, how about motorcycles, trucks, three wheelers ……..
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