WHY I LOVE MARKSMEN | Heroes 3 HotA Tier 2 creature TIER LIST!
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2020
- This is a tier 2 creature tier list video for Heroes of might & magic 3: Horn of the Abyss.
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Lexiav is playing Heroes of Might and Magic III with the HotA (Horn of the Abyss) expansion and the community-built HD Mod (not to be mistaken for the HD version on Steam): www.hota.acidcave.net/downloa...
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Игры
"Dwarves are meat shield for grand elves" say that to Gimli...
Zombies are so bad for their tier, I just put them in the skeleton transformer to make them tier 1
Zombies are unusable. Only time i build them is for defending towns against enemy Heroes who try to ambush undefended towns
Skeleton transformer allows them to lose some weight so they can keep up with the rest of the army.
It would be cheaper to put the walking dead into transformer, without upgrading them to zombies ;) However- if playing with different rules (say, www.reddit.com/r/heroes3/comments/md3zby/playing_h3sod_with_house_rules/)- walking dead, and zombies can be somewhat useful. They are some of the cheapest meat (cheaper than battle dwarfs, way cheaper than gargoyles), and same speed as plain skeletons, which you get when skeleton farming- so they do not slow down.
that's what everybody does with that deadweight
Hahahaha zombie are best meat Shield period youtube are jest hardsruck
"Hello, customer service, this is Raj" :D
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@@kajetanmalinowski892 He's making fun of Lexiav's pronounciation of rogue
I came here looking for this comment.
@@bryndrson8289 Thanks man.
I have a soft-spot for the Walking Dead, because the first time I played the demo version I had no idea about how you use the town, so I just went out blindly, and had a group join me. They ended up saving my hero when a pretty big dungeon army attacked me. Yeah, I won my first hero vs hero battle with my hero's starting army+7 Griffins+20something Walking Deads, with 7 of the last stack remaining. Of course the next dungeon hero massacred me, but hey...
wrg
Love these lists! Good work, awsome as always
Gotta love those Raj'es
And the Lepretschauns.
Raj'es or roggg'es?
This man's English is horrible
@@UncleWru give him a break. English isnt his native langauge.
@@UncleWru your Lithuanian is probably horrible
Earned a subscriber my dood, you're pretty chill and hom iii commentary is always appreciated ;]
As a casual Heroes 3 player back in the day. It's interesting how Pro views these units and factions and how truly different they are beside just art, you started to pop out into my recommendation and I watch your videos from time to time. Even though I don't play Heroes 3 for a long time and my casual approach to this franchise helped me to like equally heroes 3, 4, 5, 6. There is no deny, Heroes 3 is unageing classic, similar to AoE2. Shame we will probably never get worthy rework like AoE2 Definitive Edition, so we, casual players can enjoy this game once more with nice graphics in 1080p or even 4K and worthy rework would be loved by all Heroes fans I am pretty sure.
Heroes3 looks quite nice with the unofficial HD+ patch, which allows picking high resolutions, and choose preferred filtering. Plus- it adds multiplayer lobby, and upgrades the user interface (making use of extra screen area, and adding ESSENTIAL hotkeys for unit splitting, etc). But the franchise belongs to Ubisoft, so I pray they do not touch Heroes3 at all:)
And yeah, AoE2:DE is great, I play it too:)
@@NeblogaiLT I installed it recently and I was really suprised. With some of those options to then "upscale/filterings" the game, the game looks good and runs very well and is stable.
It truly aged like wine with those community upgrades.
Expert tier list and thumbnail maker back at it again ! Much love Lexi
1. Marksmen deal a lot of dmg, and is an early game menace for sure. Mid-game however they die way too fast and you'll end up with a low stack. Untill later in the game when you have archangels to keep them resurrected. I think this co-dependency on archangels mid-late game makes them drop somewhat, maybe to A tier. You should probably keep them out of your armies post-early game untill you get archangels, or for fights where you don't lose them easily.
2. Wolf raiders also have the same problem as marksmen. Harder to build because of goblin-pre-req aswell. They do however deal an enormous amount of dmg if left alone. They don't have archangels to support them, and will likely be too low a stack to be good. Thus an A at best.
3. I highly doubt that one could consider seamen an A tier. They are reasoanbly durable, fast, and dps. But nothing more. They definetely work, but I think they fit the B tier better.
4. Rouges like all neutrals requires several camps to be useful. 1 rouge camp would put them at B I think, whilst 2 would be a B and maybe A, and 3-4 may put them up to A or S. They are too fragile for anything else, although useful for utility and no enemy ret.
5. Crew mates may be a C or just at the lower end of B whilst Seamen are at the higher end of B.
6. Wolf riders are better than Crew mates in my opinion so they would deserve B. They aren't bad, just not particulary good.
7. Archers are a bit worse than lizardmen and gogs, but I don't think they deserve D. Ofcource you won't keep them long since you want marksmen, but they are at the lower end of C.
He's back!
I was going to post yesterday about how I was looking forward to tier 2! Thought it would be weeks bro ty
I do love the Harpy Hag, and only thing that I have an issue with on this list, is the way you say "rogue" ;-)
So leprechaun is okay?
I love it ;)
Nice tier list! Keep them coming!
Magogs seem like the big winners with the HOTA option to attack area instead of fixed target. In my opinion they would have ended very low on the list otherwise..
Yeah! Especialy that AI puts themselves 2 hexes away of each others to avoid unit centered fireballs which results in constant 2+ hits :D
Ok dumb question. How can you attack area? I have hota but don't know how to do that :/
@@vesper9198 Hold on G when its Magogs/Liches tyrn
It is one of good changes in HotA- I actually wish there was an easy way to backport it to SoD.
Last time I played HoM&M3 was over 20 years ago but it's still enjoyable to watch your videos.
Thx for the badass content. I have learned so much from you. Homm3 is complex AF but amazing
Oh man can't wait for the rest!
Zombie C tier and Archer D? Archer still have more use than upg. Zombie.
I agree, if only on the basis that zombies shit all over your morale so any town but Necro would rather have archers.
Oboy oboy another heroes 3 video!! :D
Once I used zombies who came with a necromancer in tavern on day 1 as meat shield to take the hive. I had to use quick battle to avoid taking my chances with negative morale that they brought to my army
I had a game once where I had a hero with Expert Air Magic, Expert Archery, and Expert Morale, and I managed to collect tons of Marksmen, Elf Lords, Titans, and Cyclops. They'd shoot so many times, rip through walls, and dealt so much damage, lol. I'd cast Expert Precision then just sit back and win every battle, lol.
Straker zombies only challenge when
10:15 I thought he would say "The Garbage" instead of "The Gargoyle"
Except gargoyles are good, maybe best fodder in game
@@Bleilock1 Yes- they are very nice for being both great utility and fodder. The only weak spot is the price- they are quite expensive.
I love the way you say Leprechaun and Rogue...
Adding that 'a' to the wolf rider does amazing things.
Hey do you stream as a full time job?
ok lexi we want a video like this for each tier please !!!
also, can u explain how units like harpy increase hero speed? i never knew this !
thank u and please do more ! love u !
I don't know if you had your answer, but here goes:
Hero speed is defined from lowest speed unit in the army. So if you only have a harpy (skip turn with all slower mobs resting in city), your speed will increase in next turn (And you can bring your slow army keeping that speed).
It's a smart trick, because harpies are an early game unit and can give you this early game speed boost. Of course mobs like arch angels are better, but you get them later. This is why dragon fly are one of the best units, because their speed is huge, so you put them on scout heroes and get alot of movement. Also, speed helps you in fights to kite.
Hope this makes sense :)
Great video, mate!
Are you planning on posting games on 200%?
My list:
S tier - Storm Elemental, Air Elemental
A tier - Harpy hag, Marksman, Lizard Warrior(buffed), Wolf Raider
b tier - Battle Dwarf , O. Gargoyle
c tier - Archer, Lizarman, Gog, Wolf Rider, Rouge, Gargoyle, Harpy, Dwarf, Zombie
d tier - Magog(normal ver), Walking Dead
Apparently, leprechauns passively double the chance of a lucky attack of all the troops in their army, provided the luck stat is already positive. Won’t change much, but maybe that makes them better than unupgraded archers?
Leprechauns are quite strong. They have +1 to damage compared to battle dwarf or the rogue for example and they can spend a turn they are waiting by casting luck on a stack which will effectively give it luck 4. It is also reasonably tanky with its 15 hp. 50% more than the rogue.
Archers in most cases are not upgraded in order to build castle and get 2 angel growth on second week.
Yeah, it's not like they can't be used without upgrade, you can still take early fights with minimal losses. I think they deserve a spot besides lizards and gogs. Worse that zombies? hell no
I think the tier list is for jebus cross where they don't build towns much
@@hommhommhomm going for 121 break with angel powerstack is a legit strat tho
When you describe HotA's Magog I have to try out the expansion.
Absolutely worth it.
Lexiav, “Rogues” is pronounced like “road” with a “G”. What’s the “Raj” and “Rahjes” shit lol!. Love your content!!
Also Leprachaun is “LepraKAWN”
I like these videos. I watch them at 1.75x speed, but I love them. Can tell that you are a Heroes and not a Starcraft player haha :D
Ranged rules for level 2. Early game. Marksmen are amazing but then again that whole town is greatness with exception monks/zealots.
Storm Elementals are just that tiny bit better than Marksmen. Depending on your luck though, I guess.. The most a Marksman can do in damage, ignoring attack stats, is 6. A storm elemental can do 8. So if you bless the storm elemental, then they're always gonna do more damage, which removes the one single variable that means they could be worse than Marksmen in some cases. Their growth is lower though, but if you have the option between an equal amount of each, always pick storm xD
Marksmen have: V - Storm Elementals have: V
Attack: 6 9
Defence: 3 9
Damage: 2-3x2 (Maximum 6) 2-8
Health: 10 25
Movement: 6 8
Growth: 9 6
I do not like marksman and elf’s. Glass cannons. Go to toilet very quickly as game progresses.
You can also armaggedon with 7 battle dwarfs and actually survive :))
Isn't the crewmate like the only unit that u can upgrade 2x ? So they become sea dogs or did I mix it up.
I don't play hota._.
aha, not quite :D But your question will be answered with todays tier list bit later ;)
@@Lexiav back to back to back to back eh? I LIKE WHAT I SEE.
A slight mistake with lizardmen (does not really change their ranking)- the damage range on them is 2-3, so they are not great for bless. However the upgraded version- Lizard Warriors- are improved in every way, including the damage range of 2-5.
before buffs they were 1-3, so that's where this myth comes from
@@madtechnocrat9234heroes complete have changed this. But it is true they were as bad as zombies. From 1-3 into 2-3 pff…
@@petervlcko4858 1-3 to 2-3 is a massive buff.
50 lizardmen essentially delt from 50 to 150 damage. After buffs they deal 100 to 150.
But due to smaller number range they have a better chance of dealing closer to that 150.
@@madtechnocrat9234 sure but also nothing when you compare it to what other units like castle did at the time. And imo 2-5 is reasonable even dragonflies get done buff. I guess zombies were left out due to necromancery or just forgotten and now stand like things of the past. There could be more of these.
The Raaj.... :D
How is becoming ranged not a direct upgrade? In regards to the air elementals.
It's because storm elementals have melee penalty, and air elementals don't.
@@tarkwiniuszpyszny6912incorrect storm elements do not have melee penalties, water into ice do. Storm elementals can fight.
@@petervlcko4858 Pretty sure they do, but their description just lies and says they don't. Personally, I feel like they shouldn't as an upgraded melee unit, but WCYD?
do you have a video of you playing the marksmen?
most of the castle games include marksmen as the early game power stack, but you cannot usually use them in late game PVP unless you get huge numbers of them from boxes! I don't think i have any video like that on the channel at this point in time
Finally! some love for Magogs and my boy Calh
But Magogs will do damage to your creatures as well, and all the rest of Hell's creatures are melee so affected a lot. I never upgrade Gogs for this reason, and they are abysmal as well.
@@vesper9198 In HotA, they made it so that Magogs can cast fireball, instead of shooting. So you get to pick the area which is affected (and avoid it touching your troops). I wish I could have it in SoD, as that is what I play..
@@NeblogaiLTYes, already tried it, it's great. Just a curiosity, why aren't you playing Hota instead of Sod?
@@vesper9198 I prefer playing Heroes3 in 'old school' way: not the crazy fast power spike that is done in multiplayer (HotA is an optimisation of that style)- with games finished by the end of week 3. Instead, I play random games against several AIs, and I want my buildup to be very slow, with required investing into economy, and late access to powerful units. I'm quite good at the game, so it is actually too easy- but I use my house rules to make it challenging, and only play random maps that are very hard- where resource piles are guarded, and preferably even access to wood/ore mines is impossible for a few weeks. But this (random units blocking access to wood/ore mines) is considered a bug in HotA and 'fixed'; also, new heroes get ~2x more starting troops. So both of these things clash with what I want from the game start:)
I have to say, I like a lot of things in HotA too- for example the new castle, and a fix to Magogs. But also dislike unnecessary changes they did- like the changed looks of pikemen, orcs, things Uland hero losing 'advanced wisdom' (not that it matters- but it was a bit of flavor), etc.
BTW, here are my house rules: www.reddit.com/r/heroes3/comments/md3zby/playing_h3sod_with_house_rules/
would disagree with few choices , but good work overall .. keep it up
Can you please explain a bit more why Storm elementals could be a downgrade as an upgrade ?
in some objectives, like dragon fly hives, you'd rather have them unupgraded because you only get to melee attack anyway and the Storm Elementals have 50% melee dmg reduction
Our Latvian God has blessed us with another video :)
LITHUANIAN!!
@@Lexiav he forgot your nationality like you forgot cove last time xD
jk aside, you're pumping out great vids, keep it up!
@@Lexiav
I legit played Heroes 3 for about a decade and until this day i thought rogues are a T1 unit because they have stats like a T1 unit i guess its never too late to learn new things :D
10hp would be a very tanky t1
@@ESPmrBrough Pikemen have 10 hp.
Oh Baby! Change the title so that it says "Tier 2" instead of "Tier 1" :)
maybe its a troll like he forgott cove in the other one? and like that he say it was intended :D
Markmen are top of my list also, Tower is my fav group; but Marksmen are nearly broken good.
Never realized how good Storm elementals are.
Do you think week by week that Marksmen out do Grand elves or not; I never did the math so I am not sure.
Grand elves outdo the marksmen. Also, storm elementals are great, but that is how conflux is built: stronger than average 3rd and esp 2nd tier, but weaker than average 4th and especially 5th tier.
The thing about conflux is that their units tier 2 to 5 are supposed to be roughly the same powerlevel. So the lvl 2 is extremely strong compared to the competition while the lvl 5 is extremely weak compared to competition.
The one thing i don't like about stormies it's how clunky their animation Is, specially while moving
I like lizard warriors more than obsidian gargoyle. Gargoyles have tier1 damage...
Next tier list: Battlemages
It's Tier 2 Leksiu ;)
Why didn't you mention Leprechaun's double allies' luck chance skill ? I think it's pretty good and it goes well with their Luck buff so maybe their rank should be higher than that ?
Oh God, very good heroes 3 content, entertaining videos, but then....you are subscribed to vaush and destiny :-(. You were the chosen one!
Imo wolf raiders or air elementals are better than crossbowmen, just way better stats overall, especially elementals with substantially more hp (though that weakness to air magic rly hurts)
In the theory upgraded Wolf riders are strong but in the practice they are dead so fast. Evryone focus them because the hawe double attack and they hawe a big damage output. They hawe only 10hp per unit and a very low defense stats.
Gargoyles are much to high imho. Upg Wolf riders are so soft and never on top tier. Storms better than marksmens. Always good to see ppl playing H3:)
Wolfrider most effective in haste mode and wait turn. Like a cavalry, they ambush engaged troop
KEEP DOING THIS
I NEED TO INJECT THIS SHIT IN MY VANES PLEASEEEE
I would have put Archers below Gog in C tier. Not D tier.
LOL This cove units
Archers/Marksmen have one big downside: low hot points. The AI will target them with damaging spells and they will die in big numbers at that point.
I think I have a lot of hot points. ;)
Surprises me to see Gargoyles so high on the list. I always rated them as crap. Can't really take a hit, fast, but not fast enough and not particulary high attack.
Also can't be resurrected so they are not for long term planning either. A siege unit, but level 2 siege units are usually not the best idea. Too squishy.
Same i hate using gargs
They can actually take a hit, and better than most other T2- because they have higher growth, and high-ish health. Only their damage is 'not impressive', so it is best to use them as meat (which is a bit costly), plus utility (which they are great at).
Nice video!
Just a little tip, you're pronouncing 'Leprechaun' and 'Rogue' wrong. It's hard to explain in text, best just look it up. :)
Oh you poor innocent child
Tier 3 when? :D
Harpy hags are definitely S tier in my opinion.
Okay
Raj?!
wolfrider is worse than bacon, and zombies belong to lower C tier as they sometimes could make a powerstack
Wait, who's the Rajj?
...oh :P
You missed Mechanic and Engineer. ;)
lepre...what?!
CHon
This is for some fan made addon. That is why he talks about research paths and what not, atleast that is what i gathered as skipping upgrades is normaly dumb as you can get all upgrades within 3 weeks normaly except for maybe T7 units.
C OMEGALUL VE
I approve again ! But you misspronounce last unit .. it cant be "Rouje " ... its Rogue all day of the week u darn Blond !!
And Leprechauns :D
Also retail ;)
First of all, love your content! I am one of those guys who played HoMM3 for YEARS and always thought I knew the game. Watching your videos has taught me so much, first and foremost is that I really knew nothing :P
Leprechaun = Lep-re-kan
Rogue = ro-g (hard g)
Just for your benefit. Also, I cannot speak a word of Lithuanian, so massive respect to your English, overall! I cannot wait for your next post.
lepreczans
Ok I can excuse the way you say 'leprechaun' but 'rogue' is inexcusable. You pronounce it as [rōɡ].
There, I had to, sorry mate ;)
Rude, he doesn't need anyone to excuse him, you are not forced to watch him or anything similar. Let's not get entitled over something we have no right for, ok?
Rude, you are not forced to read his comment or anything similar. Let's not get riled up over a comment that ended jokingly and with a smile, ok?
@@hundvd_7 Rude, you are not forced to read my comment (and yada yada)....
@@WhiteLionExperimentalMusic I'm not actually trying to say what you're saying. I just pointed out the error in your logic.
Feel free to complain. But the complaint is invalid. darkholyLP is right, and he wasn't an ass about either.
@@hundvd_7 Perhaps i phrased myself badly when trying to send the message across, so this time i'll be explicit. Saying "XYZ is inexcusable" is a dogmatic phrasing and authoritative display. Acting like this in someone's personal cyberspace is basically just being an ass, thats why i said he is not forced to watch to make a complaint like this and also Lexiav literally doesnt need anyone to excuse him from anything since its his personal cyberspace and he can do whatever he wants.
On the battlefield rogues would have C or D rank. I think they lose to every tier 2 unit 1 vs 1
After hearing Rouge in EQ/Wow forever, I didn't think anyone would top it with an even more inaccurate pronounciation....but RAJ takes the cake.
When Tier 3? I absolutely love this series although rarely some of your placements are questionable for me^^
Tomorrow tier 3, next day, tier 4.. so on :D With some gameplay vids inbetween
Leprechaun is pronounced Leprekhan and Centaur is Kentar.
leprechans
I agree :) I really think the storm elementals could use a nerf though
Magog B Tier, not A, another agree
zombies and walking dead are pointless but there is no way the wolf raider is better than a harpie hag, wolf raiders have 10 hitpoints which mean they will die first
harpy hags should be in "god tier" kappa
Why we need to wait on Tier 7 for so long >:(
Because it's the big finale :D
Kur Sharpshooter Unitas? Žinau jo negausi be Herojaus bet vistiek.
Sveikas! Sharpshooter is clasified as a tier 4 unit, so it's in the tier 4 unit tierlist :)
Marksman is so good at PvE and PvP but not on siege
8:31 "GL 2U dude!)" Like in real life fight))
Lizard warriors deal more damage than marksmen.
lol what the hell is "really-bli"???
Archers should be D tier imo, despite the low stats they are still shooters
Кабаны 5 уровень.. я прав?
ZDAROVA! No, boars are officially tier 2, if i understood your Russian correctly :D
@@Lexiav не знал, спасибо тебе большое - слежу за твоим twich каналом - желаю успехов тебе и здоровья!
Wolf Raiders S tier? Nah, they are squishy (10 hp) and do not have no-relatiation on them. Too squishy for a melee fighter unit like this.
They can take a tier 3 picket on day 2, any stronghold dwelling for free, block shooters on advanced tactics alone. They are super wonderful for so many use cases when playing stronghold, they feel like absolute joy to use. Super awesome units in my opinion :D
True theyre squishy but theyre not your frontliner. Wolfrider benefit in wait turn
The fuck's a "raj"? XD
I can agree with 2 exceptions: 1-Harpies are good, but have no domage, and you will not waste bless on them usually (so -1 in Tier for both) 2-Zombies are better than people think, beceause of their low value You get a lot of them and that make them great tank meat at most of banks in the most of HOTA templates (+1 in tier)
I don't get it. Rogues are super squishy. And they feel squishy too! At least to me. On a more objective stance, they have 10 hp and 3 def, which is the lowest in tier 2 units. Only archers and marksmen and centaur captains have the same. Also Wolf Riders (not the raiders) have the same 10hp and 6 speed and 2-4 damage, but 5 def. I don't see how they're more squishy.
Also, air & storm elementals are not S tier, they're bullshit tier. There are tier 3 units with lower stats. I kind of understand why though, they wanted to balance the elementals, so conflux has a godly tier 2 unit and compensates with a garbage tier 5 (well, 4 too) unit. Still off-the-charts bullshit.
In the same note, zombies are not D tier but trash tier. Both zombies have less attack and defense than skeleton warriors or halbediers. Their only (vague) redeeming quality is that they have some hp, and are cheap. But because of their speed, they're more hassle than worth. Also, with just a bit of kiting, a storm elemental kills 3 zombies!
Rogue is pronounced "row-g"
Are you purposefully saying Rogue weird?
I can't tell if your being funny or if thats just how you say it.
I'm not trying to be insulting I am just curious.
Boar rider?