TRIPLE UPGRADE UNITS!! | Heroes 3 HotA Tier 3 creature TIER LIST!
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2020
- This is a tier 3 creature tier list video for Heroes of might & magic 3: Horn of the Abyss.
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As a casual, non-competitive player, it hurt my soul to see royal griffins below base elves, water elementals, and golems lol. I love them. Makes taking down enemy towns way faster. Just fly over the walls and retaliate on every enemy. Helps end the battle sooner and save my precious marksmen from getting sniped another round.
Dumbledore: +100 points for gryffin...
Professor Lexiav: actually, they've got a D. All of them will repeat their entire school year. They are completely unusable in life.
i never understood why the hell orcs get melee penalty... like its a freaking orc with 20hp dual wielding axes. comon. and tower grandpa wizards with a stick get to have that ability. smh
"Griffins are garbage"
*me over here crying, because the AI wrecks me with their shielded, infinitely retaliating Griffin powerstack*
Yeah, if you power stack them (which is easy to do), and you dump a bunch of defensive spells on them, they can be absolute nightmares. I tend to try to grab expert earth magic for Stone Skin and Shield when I play Castle for that reason alone. Gives your Royal Griffins so much value. I will agree that the base Griffin is trash though.
Griffins are cool imo, they have good growth and can accumulate in uncomfortably large numbers.
Walls cannot block them also
@@typical_watcher4599 Speed and flying are critical features. If you're stack can't get in the fight, they don't help you much.
As a castle person, I believe Royal Griffons don't get love they deserve
His favorite faction is Castle too
Agreed. Royal Griffins plus resurrection = awesomeness
You are on fire with these! Might as well expect a creature bank tier list soon lmao
More like ALL adventure map object tierlist :D Can't wait to do that one.
Will S tier be enough when he rates vampire lords
doubt it.
Vampires are legit S tier in 7th tier
@@Szafirprince The biggest flaw is that they aren't an Army, you can any utopia, no losses with 40 vampire lords, but the opponent will wreck that army really quick
Yes, vamp lords are SSS tier OP broken for clearing the map and fighting Ai guards and heroes. A good human opponent will deal with them relatively easily.
Good list, but. Golems are actually pretty good meat and defenders from ealry to mid game (or even in Utopias) in Tower. Also AI attack them very often, and with Golem Factory You can have a big usable stack of them. So definetly +1 in Tier for me
also having a stack of them can be difficult for opponents to get rid of, if you are in any sort of template with potentially early fights, due to their magic resistance
17:36 "and they go full washing machine mode" xD
You are such an entertaining character Lexiav
I ACTIVATE WASHING MACHINE MODE!
Another great tier list :-D
Love your content!
Hell hounds: literally never used: B tier. Stone Golems: essential to early tower game play: C tier.
Is leaving them in the castle for the longest time essential? I think not. Get good.
It just feels so bad to have slow units on your hero, but yeah, you have point.
I think he’s focused on combat strength more than anything. Golem is not that outstanding in this category for sure comparing to cerberus. The advantage for golem is more on the strategy and utility side
@@toywang7784yeah the strength of golems is based on their faction. I think he is looking at units on their own. Like when he explains why hellhounds are not used (their castle) but says they rate high based on their individual stats and abilities.
I'm glad you see how valuable hell hounds and upgrade are. I'm also glad you see the value of wraiths. I think Necro can have a decent early game with Charna due to her speciality and the amount of Wraiths she can start with. She also has magic arrow and tactics.
When grading units, people often just look at stats, but forget to look at the growth. But the truth is- griffins make a great, universal stack, due to their high growth, good stats, speed, flying. On the other side- golem growth is much lower, so their stack ends up weaker, not just slower; and the same problem is with the hell hounds. Their basic growth is just 5! Thankfully, kennels increase it to (5x2)+3=13. But that is still not great- growth of most T3 is (7x2)=14, and for the griffins- it is (7x2)+3=17. But yes, hell hounds and cerberi are very nice units- and they'd actually be terrifying if their growth was average 7, plus kennels..
A tier list I much more readily agree with :) I also really like the dragonflies, while the other people I know usually don't like them much because they don't like fortress.
1. I haven't really thought about the mana drain abuse, and it kind of annoys me that the wraith ranks that highly because of such a thing. Regardless you are quite likely correct in placing them there just because of that abuse.
2. I think Ice elemental may be pushed towards B, but it's uncertain.
3. I HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAN PUT ROYAL GRIFFINS AT C. Sure they don't have much dmg by the unit alone. BUT they have a chunky health pool, they can fly, they are fast and you get so ridiculously many of them. They are going to be a backbone in your castle army alongside Archangels, with no easy way to quickly deal with them. By mid-late game you have amassed an army of them, that far outweighs any other tier 3 number. Definetely an S tier, and probably the best tier 3 unit because of the sheer number you get + utility it provides.
4. Likewise there's no way a griffin is at D tier. I think lower B tier is more accurate. They do have their flaws, with lower speed, only two retaliates. But the number stays the same, and they are still tanky for a low tier flier.
5. Orc chieftain may be pushed for C tier, because it is close to on-par with elves. It's quite sad that the uppgrade is only close to as good as unupgraded elves XD. They truly suck.
6. Mummies are probably a bit better than you give them credit for, maybe a low C. But I get where you're going.
Completely agree. Castle has so many overpowered units, and griffins are one of them (due to growth). Very strong, and very useful. I wish, for Tier 3, the growth was switched, from 5 hellhounds- 6 gollems - 7 griffins, to 5 griffins (+griffin towers), 6 hellhounds (+ kennels), 7 golems.
Bruh, no one cares that they are strong as a unit. No one EVER builds griffins, rightfully so, Angels are literally the best unit in the game, and for Castle, Angel = Life.
I have never, ever, in my life, seen a good player use Royal Griffins with Archangels.
I like that you took the unit by itself, like the cerebri, and gave it a rank. Instead of going for how much people use them :D way more interesting the way you do it!
After the way the Griffins were treated, it dawned on me. So this is basically tiers for a specific kind of map, all that 113 or 114 Jebus break (as if I know what those terms mean but whatever). Alert the media when you decide to actually rate the value of each unit on a more "normal" way of playing, like campaign missions or some such.
I do agree about your point, but he also uses arguments that fit for every situation. Slow, clunky 2-hexes unit with low damage despite having a retaliation skill is not great for both classic and pro settings.
@@d.f.7397 they are not slow, they can fly through obstacles , 2 hex is a good advantage they can protect the shooters tanky almost like iron golsm
@@d.f.7397 2-hex griffin is actually just better for protecting marksmen, and compared vs golems- just as tanky too (due to higher growth). Also, griffins with their speed and flight are also great for assaults and utility, while golems are just slow (and very cheap) fighters.
This is absolutely true. I would also add that in this particular case, Royal Griffins are ranked so low partly because there are many other excellent Tier 3 units. Most of those ranked higher are shooters. In a normal map where a game typically goes into Month 2, I would place Royal Griffins around low A or high B.
For an example of a Tier list biased toward extremely fast tempo maps, check out Lexiav's Tier 5 where Mighty Gorgons are near dead last because of the fact that the upgrade requires the Resource Silo.
you could make a Hero specialty tier list, talking about their benefits for early/mid/late game/final fights and such
It would be easy - late heroes that are best are one with armorer as armorer (as after testing it Tazar level 50 protects more than Crag hack level 50 deals than their 10 level counterparts.
@@ilikeanimeverymuch Sure Tazar, Mephala and Neela have armourer speciality, but they get countered by spell damage (except for the golems) which may make you want to kill the enemy units fast instead of resist the physical damage especially when the enemy chooses Solmyr or a Meteor Shower specialist hero. Tower isn't such a good town in early game. Fortress isn't so good in late game. So if you want Armourer specialist hero you must actually go for Mephala from Rampart...
@@Hardcore_Remixer Tell me in how much pvp games you stick to faction army?
@@ilikeanimeverymuch Mostly in all. Usually after the fight between my main and the opponent's main the game is mostly decided.
@@ilikeanimeverymuch but most pvp games you never reach lvl 50 either...
I would love to see a video of you showing your favourite hero-artifact-town combos!
For example with tower faction you want Orrin and golden bow... Uhhh the damage titan has :)
Steel Golems deserve a slightly higher ranking since they absorb magic damage and can pack a surprising punch.
Speed gets a lot of credit in these tier lists, and rightfully so, but just one mass haste can move units like golems or ogre magis two tiers higher. Since they are sturdiest of their tiers, they can take or give most damage output, which should be nr. 1 factor.
Griffin stack is actually just as sturdy as golems, due to very high griffin growth. And they are already fast, plus flying.
ALRIGHTY!!!
My List:
S Tier: Ice Elemental (you're insane to put them that low!)
A tier: Grand Elf, Dragon Fly, Cerberus
B tier: Royal Griffin, Water Elemental, Iron Golem, Evil Eye, Nomad
C tier: Griffin, Elf, Beholder, Hell hound, Serpent Fly, Orc Chief, Wraith, Ston Golem, Mummy
D tier: Wight, Orc
you didn't mention a very important use for some of those: cannon fodder. griffins and cerberi are great for it, and recently i discovered wraiths are good for it too. the AI go for those units first for some reason, they are all pretty fast units so they dont slow down the army...you can use them or 1stacks of them to block ranged units...
Could you make a video about random map templates. I played a lot of homm3 with standard random map, and I want to explore other map templates. I played a bit o JC, but I would like to see other good map templates.
I have never heard of units involving heroes' speed in HoMaM3 (and I have never realized the difference).
Give more 1 hero 1 minute JO to the masses ! Much love
yeah Grand elves! I knew they are superb and even tho only ranged in Rampart - still worth to get Archery skill.
Hmm, I'm not sure about having archery with only grand elves. Archery already is not the greatest skill with 2-3 ranged units. It's pretty good with tower, but for other factions you may want to grab another town to get enough ranged units to make it worth. And also, if the enemy deletes your grand elves, or blocks them, the skill becomes useless.
Griffin is a very nice creature for sure, yes (I would rank Royal Griffin A and Griffin B just for the stats), but the requirement to build them is definitely the worst... getting swordsman (level 4) before griffin (level 3), wth??? Pretty sure that’s the only reason they are at so bottom
So what you have to build swordsmen first? You want both units anyway, and it's going to take excactly the same amount of turns to get both as it would if you could build griff first. Ofcource, if you wanted to play without crusaders I can understand the liability, but why would you?
Royal Griffon so underrated...
Like, it's a fine flyer, and you can make a very respectable power stack thanks to the hoard building... It just gets done soooo dirty by that garbage tier build path. Why. the ****. do I need to build a barracks before I get griffons?
@Well Played With their growth, they can make about the strongest melee stack of T3 (probably lose only to cerberi, due to no retaliation).
Lol griffins. I never (very rarely ever) build them, but when i do...i’m bored, have everything i need for castle and got some extra cash. When i diplo them, early, i use them as bait and retal takers, or blockers in best case scenario due to the two hex. Same with the fish sticks lol. These lists are fun lol
The B-holders are doing well
That "tiers" it man, have a sub! >:3
Have a question for you Lexiav. Do you consider Sea Dogs tier 4 units instead (and treat it like such), instead of tier 3. At least to me that makes more sense.
Now that you mention it, yeah. But then again for a tier 4 unit they would still be:
1) Way too expensive
2) Way too long of a build path
to make them that good.
@@Lexiav and with slightly lower stats compared to some, but still ... they are closer to tier 4 unit than to tier 3 in their cost, and abilities.
Dunno about them Royal Griffins there buddy, infinite retaliations in huge numbers wrecks shit.
How about, remove any building requirements from griffin?
Then its become a super usable early game unit
Still the best HOMM game ever! I do prefer the steam HD version, it just looks so damn good.
Tier 3 has so many powerful upgraded units!
Loves these video's i play homm3 like a 8year old as your video but with no skills at all! By now i really need some info and learn the game :D please make a tierlist with all hero's :D
I recently played a random JC game and found Luna with 80 dragon flies in one stack, no ballista, no first aid tent, Expert Magic, Expert Earth, Expert Wisdom and Expert Intelligence with Resurrection and Fire Wall spells was unbeatable.
Sounds like a fun one :D
@@Lexiav My opponent kept spamming elementals but I had far too many spell points as them so eventually they had none and I had 300 spell points left. You and other HOMM3 RUclipsrs taught me how to play her. I plan to give you and the other HOMM3 RUclipsrs Christmas gifts the week of Christmas. You all deserve it. The others (non-HOMM3 RUclipsrs) that deserve it are those who taught me how to set up my new Windows laptop and what programs to put on it.
@@mikebaker1575 Love to hear that man! Seeing people enjoying themselves with this wonderful game is also very nice :)
@@Lexiav It’s still as interesting to me as it was 20 years ago.
"(...) just click space FURIOUSLY and they go FULL washing machine mode" hehehe
I can't wait for the other tiers as well!
Quick question are you one of the people that hate and do not play HoMM4?
We don't talk about this here xD
HoMM4 is a swear-word
@@baristika Even when I saw Heroes5 mentioned?
Please next tier list: Hottest babes heroes 3 Hota tier list.
After that; Hottest units tier list
I'm pretty sure Ignissa would be #1
@@jorgetalamantes8674 Ofc its Luna, u can feel fire from that girl
"No melee penalty" does NOT mean you get to hit things without getting hit, it means you get to engage in hand-to-hand combat dealing your full potential damage. Shooters who do not have the ability, lose HALF of their potential damage in hand-to-hand combat, this is why it is so easy to kill Marksmen or Grand Elves up close and personal. Evil Eyes, Beholders, Monks, Zealots, Magi, Arch Magi and all others who suffer "no melee penalty" CAN function as non-shooters when the void is bridged and enemies engage them hand-to-hand.
Corsairs and Sea dogs do have no retaliation...
It's true, and that makes certain no melee penalty units better in mid-late game when it is harder to protect ranged units. But with ranged units, you usually want as much firepower as possible, and then protect them. Marksmen & Grand elves provide that firepower much more than no melee penalty ranged units in the early game. Thus they are much better for clearing early camps and snowballing you into mid-late game. In mid late game your more elite troops are gonna do most of the work anyway, not the lower tier ranged units with no melee penalty.
Regarding orc upgrade, you build a blacksmith anyway to upgrade your town hall, so I don't see the problem
I wonder where he will place Vampire Lords in tier 4 video
1:03 how are you gonna take conservatories with what, like 15 evil eyes at max? Assuming we're talking week 1.
3:00: It isn't actually true that they are the only unit that has two upgrades. Both both archers and elves can be upgraded two times; the sharpshooters being the second upgrade. :)
Where can you upgrade archers and/or elves to sharpshooters? They aren't even in the same faction - SS are neutral creatures.
@@Kernel15: There's a hero that can upgrade both archers and elves to sharpshooters. He has sharpshooters as a specialty, but I don't remember his name. EDIT: His name is Gelu and he's a half-elf. He's a very fun character to play, by the way, because this is a huge power.
@@jeschinstad Nice. Thanks for the info, I never knew that.
Edit: Dang, I only have HotA, not AB or SoD.
I think the only changes in my personal tier list would be to move serpent flies to B tier and royal griffons up to A. I play more random maps than I do Jebus templates and there are lots of maps that have excess griffon dwellings which is a good enough reason to build for royal griffons. Once you get a power stack they're actually pretty good alongside marksmen as meat-shields, and they're really fast to give explorer heroes if you never reach power stack levels. As for serpent flies I find their value limited to the really early game as movement-enablers and they have little value in fights due to their often low numbers and health.
Serpent flies is A tier. I hire only a limited for dispelling purposes at early. Like griffins, i let them grow about 50 units till i recruit them. Royal griffin is an A just below evil eyes
Guys, when he is done, someone should make a tier list of his tier lists.
meta
For me Griffins would rank pretty high up. Mainly because the upgrade looks cool and its an iconic unit of Heroes franchise, and for average play where it takes me month or 2 before encountering AI their high growth makes them quite a meanace
Really nice videos! But having upgraded pirates which are expensive and good in tier S and gorgons that are kind of expensive and good in C is not logical ... I know pirates shoot but still really similar creatures one in S other in C.
he is just biased against gorgons coz building this 5 k gold is too much for a pauper like him:p
Lol I still remember the game, where you mana bombed the opp with a side hero, and moved in with your main, and the opp just GG'd out xD
can you give me the link? Would love to watch it :D
@@hungrymikepencetd5686 I'm sure it's named appropriately on Lexis channel. Look for a game with wrights on the thumbnail or something like that. I can't remember which game exactly it was.
your tier-show dont have sens- Griffins best tier 3 unit
Griffins win it for me. Esp Royal griffins. 35 HP or something for a level 3 creature? Fly long distances, infinite retaliation? I wonder sometimes if this guy has even played the game.
Theres no way archer below stone golem in tier..even for orc chiftain
griffin Orc Chieftain D gollem and Wight C are you sure about that?
Royal Griffins are pretty nice on Shadow of Death, using default map template. When you play on a higher difficulty and your first week is City Hall, Archers and Citadel, if you make it to barracks in week 2, you just hit those griffins there and let them build up to buy up in week 3 or 4 :)
Royal griffin same tier with stone golem? They have like one of the best stat for tier 3 units with high growth and decent price.
They are not on treck to build angels
I kinda agree. Good growth, flight, unli retal and good hp and stat. Cast shield upon them. ROYAL griffin are among top 3.
@@brianmayabella5992 unlimited retaliation is useless when you consider that they deal low damage. Which is, along with their relatively big cost, what sets them back
@@rasmussten1206 griffin is nested at town till it reaches 60 units then u hire them. Also it gives u a chance to strike first. Its a fast unit for a low tier unit but not as fast as centaur capt
@@brianmayabella5992 and plague does not affect them
Can't wait for him to shit on Bone Dragons
Royal Griffin is strong, iconic like rocs. They appear weak just because castle has so many other OP units.
I think there was a test and most powerful units based on their growth, price and stats are either Royal griffin or Cerberi. Also being big stack is plus in some situation imagine on necropolis terrain you've cornered stack of grand elves (enemy is player with amulet of swiftness) with wights. they simply go forward max range away (aka 8) so now your wights can't reach them in full range meaning 2 ranged hits into wights or other creature. Now Griffins are longer and hence can reach further forward meaning they still block elves.
Tier 10 tier list, lol.
It might be a surprise for you, but there are no units above lvl 7 in homm 3. Crystal dragons and other dragons from AB are treated as a lvl 7 unit (e.g. lvl 21 Solmyr deals extra 9% damage to those dragons, as if they are lvl 7). Only the map editor erroneously claims they are lvl 8-10, but that's fixed in HotA, where they appear properly as lvl 7.
@@DommHavai Just looked it up. You're right. Wonder why the map editor in default had this bug to begin with? Doesn't seem like a data entry bug or a software bug.
Grand Elves were robbed
I find that Edris with Royal Griffins works pretty well.
Yeah, in my opnion he's probably the best Knight to choose from.
Omg... What?? There is no way these people are real, I must be hallucinating, right?? right???
i held my last stand at a necropolis and the enemy was right outside the gates with 999999 spell points or whatever, i won the fight by continuously sending out 7x1 stacks of wraiths to drain his spell points :) i still lost the game though
Eyes Rules jajaja,
can you do the same but for homm 5.5?
Maybe at some point i'll get into that game, for now heroes 3 is the one for me :D
@@Lexiav homm 5 < homm 3
For me homm 5 was forgetable ( maybe thats just me )
i dont see how royal griffin can be below basic inferno dog.
Agree with the list mostly. Would have been nice if you had mentioned that you can get lots of cerberi with the purchase of cages. Also, water elemental weekly growth sucks, making them even worse. But on the other hand, most conflux creatures are not "living" units, which means that vampire lords can't get health back by attacking elemental units, making water elementals quite helpful in the right situation against necropolis.
Stat wise isn't royal griffin the best 3rd except iron golem 25hp, speed 9, 9 attack 9 defense, dmg 3-6 just plain stupid to put them at lowest C-tier below wights??
Pirates are definetely lower tier then this. They are worse than Wood Elves in almost every aspect. I agree with Corsairs and Sea Dogs evaluation though :)
you need to rate your tier lists when you are done
Broo!!
Many say that wrights are the shitiest units im the game.Why you placed them so high?
Cool, but inconsistent criteria for the tiers.
Ice Elementals below the water ones? Really? No.
So, the best and most powerful unit in the game - Archangel - is scared to s**t 9f some flies and cows from my weird niche fav town of Fortress :) Good to know. :)
Oh they are Tier 3. Me a big dumb dumb x_x and for that u get a fattie like
Griffins are much better. Better as Cerabs or Hell Hounds. They can fly. All is fine only Griffin's are much better
B-holders
Golem better than griffin? Golems are garbage, slow you down and they die before they get to enemy. Bizzare choice.
But consider the build path. One you have to make, the other you have to go back for.
Cast slow on them , and they encumber up to 2 tiles i think. Theyre the same than dwarves but much more healthy and resistant
@@brianmayabella5992 Yeah, but they don't slow you down on the map.
@@siejac7894 agreed, my choice... grand elves, royal griffin then evil eyes / serpent flies - both costly to builonly their downside
Headless elves are overpowered NERF please!
Putting Ice Elementals past Water Elementals actually makes 0 sense whatsoever.
It actually makes a lot of sense since they deal no damage but have some health so 95% of the time you use them as meat
@@DOGEreal do you even know what the difference between ice and water ele is?
@@babasemka I know, I think you are the one that doesn't know. People don't like having melee penalty on their meat. Simple.
@@DOGEreal I'm perfectly aware of the melee penalty. It's just situational, not a law
Good stuff, my friend. Work a bit on your pronounciation and it'll be a damn pleasure to watch your videos.
Pfff Wraiths just will remove the magic part for your opponents hero in the game called heroes of might and magic. So yeah not so useful, nothing special.
WHERE THE 4 TIER LIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coming soon xD
first
I think that this video is really objectifying towards the Elfs.
Yeah, they have a grate body, but it's not ok to take out their heads as saying that their body is all that matters.
Elfs have feelings.
They are not just sexual tools...
Aaand that's why we keep using beholders!
@@cyb3rhell162
They say that the eyes are the keyhole to the soul.... sooooooo... yeah
Why is he always talking about hives?