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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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    This is a tier 6 creature tier list video for Heroes of might & magic 3: Horn of the Abyss.
    Lexiav is playing Heroes of Might and Magic III with the HotA (Horn of the Abyss) expansion and the community-built HD Mod (not to be mistaken for the HD version on Steam): www.hota.acidc...
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  • @archilus189
    @archilus189 3 года назад +194

    You can add the unit's statistics(when you right click on them in the game) on a small window when talking about them. I think that would be a nice touch at least for the last video! Keep it up Lex!

    • @Lord_Malkior
      @Lord_Malkior 2 месяца назад

      Definitely would have made this video significantly better. 👍 Still enjoyable!

  • @aidanhouk
    @aidanhouk 3 года назад +129

    Dread knights are definitely S tier, at least when they're against you

    • @marcoruffanzor2418
      @marcoruffanzor2418 3 года назад

      but they can't morale

    • @dvm7005
      @dvm7005 3 года назад

      They slow

    • @crimsonlightbinder
      @crimsonlightbinder 3 года назад +7

      @@marcoruffanzor2418 the double damage and curse (sometimes at the same time 😅)

    • @angelapostolov3406
      @angelapostolov3406 3 года назад +25

      I absolutely agree - they are incredibly dangerous adversaries and in my opinion the best Necro units. True, they do not have good morale and cannot be blessed, but they do not get bad morale and cannot be cursed either. Double damage is great ability and does not manifest too rarely. Plus, DK are immune to Berserk, Blind, Gorgon's death stare, etc. Actually, I think they are one of the contenders for top Lvl 6 unit overall.

    • @japanesefacist2460
      @japanesefacist2460 3 года назад +3

      @@marcoruffanzor2418 They can't be affected by bad morale

  • @cantreadyourname9505
    @cantreadyourname9505 3 года назад +10

    These are so fun to watch! My brother first played this game at the age of 6. He’s now 23 but we still sometimes grab this game. It’s interesting to show him the tier lists.

  • @mikeshivak
    @mikeshivak 3 года назад +27

    "Cyclops are the best shooter"
    Titans "What am I to you?"

    • @furiousinsects6386
      @furiousinsects6386 Год назад +3

      I love titans. They suffer no penalty when hitting melee 😂😆💜

    • @bosspoke
      @bosspoke Год назад +5

      Sounds like he considers them the best shooters due to availability and the fact that you can build a powerstack through pickets.
      Titans are the better shooters, but you can't build a powerstack through external dwellings, and they are so much more expensive to get online.

  • @samulysse
    @samulysse 3 года назад +15

    fastest click in the west. thank you lexiav

  • @naj5045
    @naj5045 3 года назад

    just wanna say love your videos man!! cant wait for the enxt one!

  • @br2266
    @br2266 3 года назад

    I agree with all of your tier video lists, except for the enchanter. Enchanter is by far a tier 7 unit, it is ranged, and a spell caster, which has the potential to save you from casting a spell itself. If it casts haste, you win.

    • @milat9287
      @milat9287 3 года назад +2

      I love Enchanters, and would love to agree with you. But sadly, the RNG makes me disagree. What if they cast Bloodlust, and then get targeted by the enemy? You're not gonna have alot of them, so they will PROBABLY die within the first 1 or 2 hits, and then you're left with a useless buff, and a corpse. That said.. If you can protect them, and they cast one of their better spells, I'd honestly consider them one of the best units in the game for my personal liking

  • @bendragon1000
    @bendragon1000 3 года назад +6

    Never thought of this until just now, but a way to make cavaliers/champions more useful is to combine them with the teleport spell. Teleport them away from your target and then have them rush back in for a full jousting bonus hit.

    • @shadowpriest2574
      @shadowpriest2574 Год назад +1

      Eh, I think you gain 1 attack for every hex they they move. Even if they gain , lets say 14 attack(base movement + expert haste), that would still not be very good of a cast taking in consideration you could cast offensive spells, or just cast Frenzy to get a way bigger boost, or possibly bless.

    • @nemou4985
      @nemou4985 Год назад

      Just attack another unit, bruh

  • @Glassie3731
    @Glassie3731 Год назад

    Disappointing to see Dread knights not immediately go to S-tier, my favorite necro hero is Tamika specifically for the fact there absolutely goaded.

  • @piorundip8705
    @piorundip8705 3 года назад +9

    Magic elementals are pretty good beceause of magic immunity

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities 3 года назад

      how good is elemental castle. their air and water elemental get range attack when upgrade them right? also what is best magic caster castle

    • @yurisabrori
      @yurisabrori 3 года назад

      Good, but lack of growth or powerstack unit. Always lose to unit that has creature bank

    • @sentryward8744
      @sentryward8744 3 года назад

      Immagine spent all of the gold needed to build air, water, fire, earth altar to buy a tons of vampire lord instead

    • @piorundip8705
      @piorundip8705 3 года назад

      I just never want to brake on Magic Elementals - they are like very fast hydras, and they cannot be slow, so its not easy to fight huge stack of them without any loses

    • @pawlo669
      @pawlo669 3 года назад

      @@Dualities conflux is the most op town in the game, magic cinflux of tower, conflux has a magic academy but tower has wall of knowledge for extra spells so dunno

  • @robertmiko7856
    @robertmiko7856 Год назад

    How on earth did you put efreet sultan above DK. Wyvern at the bottom? Blew my mind. At the time when u get your first Cyclop (A) you already have loads of wyverns (D)

  • @comodelargomedejateneresto2968
    @comodelargomedejateneresto2968 3 года назад

    New in the channel and loving your videos, would love to know if you plan to do some tutorials about how to play the game, or talking about different strategies, just asking, I dont want be rude or seem demand anything and sorry if anyone else told you the same thing

  • @HaHa-kf1yx
    @HaHa-kf1yx 3 года назад +1

    I think the diamond man is lvl 5.

  • @turbanheadless
    @turbanheadless 10 месяцев назад

    t6 are my favourite creatures

  • @TCFCforMe
    @TCFCforMe 3 года назад

    I love your style man. "More like tier garbage" I laughed at that. Where you from?

  • @bosspoke
    @bosspoke 3 года назад

    So here we go, comments from me on this one :=)
    1. I absolutely do think dread knights deserve a spot in the S tier. Even though the skeleton army or vampire lord harassment makes for better strategies, the dread knight remains a really strong unit to have in addition. Atleast lower end of S tier for that reasoning, and they are not that hard to get.
    2. I haven't really played stronhold in HotA, but you say the cyclops are actually attainable here? Because in original game their structure costed 20 CRYSTALS, and then the behemoth cave costed 10 crystal, giving you the choice between getting behemoths or saving up for cyclops which was ridiculous. This meant that you surely had a low stack of cyclops and this made both them and their uppgrade a D-tier in my opinion.
    3. Magic elementals are better than you give them credit for. Sure they are not that easy to get but I would say a B-tier would be sufficient.
    4. Black knights are almost as good as caveliers and should be at the lower B-tier imo.
    5. Scorpicores could be considered lower B-tier because of their utility of flying and good speed. They are a good support unit for the Blackies. Ofcource they don't deal much dmg, and are prone to dying, but they also have a chance to paralyze though. Although I suppose from your perspective that is 100 % to paralyze if enemy-controlled and 0 % chance to paralyze if controlled by player xD

    • @manupainkiller
      @manupainkiller 2 года назад

      In HotA, from what I understood, the 20 crystal cost is for the upgrade now.
      The black knight doesn't have jousting, neither morale (because undead).
      75% of castle heroes will have leadership, at one point.
      And, I agree about the scorpicores.

  • @forita100
    @forita100 3 года назад +1

    I honestly thought your tiers are like 5 years old ngl

  • @zes7215
    @zes7215 9 месяцев назад

    no such thing as monster x or etc, bigx, talx etc 1uferiox bloat, doesnt matter

  • @blackus5674
    @blackus5674 3 года назад

    ar tu lietuvis :D

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад

      Sveikas. Jo Lietuvis :)

    • @blackus5674
      @blackus5674 3 года назад

      @@Lexiav wow tikrai geras contentas kurk toliau!

  • @kukusaras
    @kukusaras 3 года назад

    Rated d tier mighty gorgon not as a unit but as its build path and now ducks get d based as a unit , chooose

  • @jakistam1000
    @jakistam1000 3 года назад +129

    Nix and Nix Warriors ignore 30% and 60% attack, respectivelny, not 40% and 80%. Still *very* good ability, but slightly less OP.

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад +81

      Aaaaaa silly me!! I was thinking behemoth ability. Thanks for the correction!

  • @popuppete
    @popuppete 3 года назад +28

    I’m glad it was mentioned that the Cyclops base building no longer requires Chrystal. I was very confused how they could be rated so high when it is so costly to get them. 20 Chrystal is nuts

  • @Robertgtdf
    @Robertgtdf 3 года назад +50

    Curse from necro knights is mosthly psychological damage :p

    • @ProtonCannon
      @ProtonCannon 3 года назад +8

      The best type of damage.

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities 3 года назад

      xd

    • @stefan1924
      @stefan1924 3 года назад +2

      Curse the right enemy and it will reduce their damage output by a lot.

    • @Robertgtdf
      @Robertgtdf 3 года назад +12

      @@stefan1924 or just curse the enemy angels for the memes.

  • @kelardo8667
    @kelardo8667 3 года назад +60

    Also, unicorns have aura of 20% magic resist (dwarf passive). It's nice when your nearby grand elves resist enemy implo...

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад +22

      Ah yeah! That's somewhat relevant, should have mentioned that. Whenever you fight them they sometimes resist expert slow which is annoying, when you shower them, they often resist etc. It doesn't change my rating but true, something i should mention. :)

    • @nemou4985
      @nemou4985 Год назад +4

      better in non-HotA as it stacks and synergizes with Magic Resistance skill/specialty/artifacts

  • @edric4704
    @edric4704 3 года назад +27

    Is this "mighty gorgons can suck it" gonna be part of every tierlist now? :D *sad cow noises*

  • @w3zauri
    @w3zauri 3 года назад +193

    I'm lacking costintency in this. You ignore availability for Wyverns and rate them bad, yet you put cyclops above the upgraded version because of availability. Same was on the T5 list with bulls. You need to decide, either take all factors into consideration for each creature or rate them just based on how good they are regardless of availability.

    • @jakubmalinowski1474
      @jakubmalinowski1474 3 года назад +10

      Moreover, most of the time you build up wyvern's nest 112 or 113. Meanwhile, most of the creatures dwellings you are able to build 116-117.

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад +58

      I think the lack of availability makes a unit worse in my list by quite abit. But the abundance of a unit does not make a unit good by itself. I don't think that's inconsistant.

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities 3 года назад +4

      well, there are so many variables...tier list tends to miss them..numbers can be a good average but they can also miss a lot...just like people who only look at dps parses. for example in Smite u have dmg dealt, dmg taken...but u don't have how many skill u juked...how many times u took enemy to focus on yourself...how many abilities did u bait out... and in heroes, these variables change based on resources u have, the stage of the game, the enemy, how big is the map, how many resources u can get, how many heroes is it worth making...and when all these come together it would be a miracle if u won't miss something about it

    • @cutestbear3327
      @cutestbear3327 3 года назад +22

      I think if you listen to his explanation carefully, you will realize that he takes both quality of units and availability into account. If he came up with a quantitative matrix and gave ratings to 5 decimal places accuracy, maybe the order of units may shift around a little bit, but he did say it is a subjective tier list right at the beginning. Come on man, show this guy some love. That guy is super good at his game, consistently put out contents and is so cheerful to a point that he would laugh when getting chain blinded by unicorn. What else do you want? A spreadsheet?

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities 3 года назад

      @@cutestbear3327 it is oka if people give suggestion, than we get even bigger picture

  • @cezarchirica2280
    @cezarchirica2280 3 года назад +14

    I thought titans are the best shooters in the game

    • @thatdudewelove8498
      @thatdudewelove8498 3 года назад +3

      In terms of power yes, but they’re really REALLY hard to get in standard multiplayer games.

    • @procerusgigas
      @procerusgigas 3 года назад +2

      @@thatdudewelove8498 cyclops are even harder, considering behemots are your priority.

  • @templephilosophy405
    @templephilosophy405 3 года назад +16

    None of these hold a candle to getting a single ghost in homm2

    • @Drubnubjagr
      @Drubnubjagr 3 года назад +4

      "single"

    • @anandasatria7734
      @anandasatria7734 2 года назад +2

      @@DrubnubjagrFrom single to legions. That's what I call bullcrap.

  • @Neon_Noir
    @Neon_Noir 3 года назад +13

    These lists are so great they make me tier up a little. Also I got so frustrated with your rating system i wanna tier my hair out😂😂😂

  • @arnigeir1597
    @arnigeir1597 3 года назад +10

    After seeing how many games you've won with a power stack of Wyverns, I'm more shocked they aren't S.

    • @mitromney
      @mitromney 3 года назад +5

      My thoughts exactly. Wyverns are the MVPs of tier 6 units. I just can't understand how are they a bad unit if you can buy them day 1 and farm them like crazy all day long. That's not how he rated skeletons and demons at all.

  • @arnigeir1597
    @arnigeir1597 3 года назад +28

    Dread Knights and basic Wyverns not being S is a sin and everyone should feel ashamed.

    • @200644600
      @200644600 3 года назад +1

      Wyvern? Just because early?

    • @arnigeir1597
      @arnigeir1597 3 года назад +4

      @@200644600 yes, getting them day 1 is a huge difference in almost every map and the fact that you can get them even more from dragon hives just makes them carry almost every game.

  • @stefan1924
    @stefan1924 3 года назад +9

    Spoilered myself by looking at the end first: Now I am VERY excited for an explanation as to how the fuck cylopes are better than cyclop kings!

    • @chuckwood3426
      @chuckwood3426 3 года назад +5

      Above what he described there is also the point that a cyclops cost 750 g while a king cost 1100 g for very little improvement outside of +2 attack and +2 speed. Its not worth it.

  • @JoshSZHANG
    @JoshSZHANG 3 года назад +9

    I would rate wyverns at least A tier. No other tier 6 units can be reliably recruited in week 1 and start helping the main hero clearing the map. If you have a few dragonfly nests nearby, you can quickly accrue a relatively sizeable stack and be way ahead of your opponents.

  • @ninorupcic7077
    @ninorupcic7077 2 года назад +4

    I watch this video 2 minuts and 9 seconds. I must put a comment. Dread Knights are in my oponient S tier. Super high attack and defense skills, double damage and curse, 120 hp.

  • @johannessturm2754
    @johannessturm2754 Год назад +4

    You didnt mention the poisen abillity of the Wyvernnnmonarchs. In my opinnion one of the best abilitys in the game because it decreases the max hp of a whole stack. 10 % for each tick of poisen, Ever fought vs 30 Black Dragons with only 210 hp per dragon? So even if the monarch dies his debuffs remain. For me S tier unit with the speed dmg and build path

  • @piotrtoborek2442
    @piotrtoborek2442 3 года назад +2

    LMAO :D
    Any shooting unit is good, but that does not make cyclops A tier automatically. On their own they will bleed hard and overall require as much attention as any other power stack. Who cares if they are tanky if tanking is not their job. Also who cares if they are available in big numbers when You very rarely build them in Your castle.
    And if Wyvern are so bad why are they main power stack in circa 60% of PvP and You can build their dwelling day 2 to clear swamp areas without problems.
    I can understand different approach in different tiers (Skellies vs Demons) but contradictory rating in the same Tier?
    Bruh!

  • @milat9287
    @milat9287 3 года назад +9

    I think the reason Enchanters have such weird stats, is because they're meant to replace Arch Mages in Dracon's campaign. I couldn't tell you why they're tier 6, but I think they were only thought up for the campaign, and then they just made it into the main game cause people would ask for it if they didn't or something like that.. So they're probably just weak because they're meant to mimic Magi somewhat closely but with a twist.

  • @ghastlygibus2121
    @ghastlygibus2121 3 года назад +21

    Diamond Golem are tier 6 unit?
    I never know

    • @MightAngel
      @MightAngel 3 года назад +3

      I recall they were 5 and gold were 4

    • @alexnew199430
      @alexnew199430 3 года назад

      Wait you play league and homm3?

    • @ghastlygibus2121
      @ghastlygibus2121 3 года назад

      @@alexnew199430 i play wild rift and yes heroes 3,sometimes i play tf2

    • @chofa135
      @chofa135 3 года назад +3

      Tier 3 Stone / Iron Golem
      Tier 4 steel Golem
      Tier 5 Gold Golem
      Tier 6 Diamond Golem

    • @brianmayabella5992
      @brianmayabella5992 3 года назад

      They really are Tier 6 at lowest. Availability of this unit is their down side. Better in defending castle

  • @fastsync1
    @fastsync1 3 года назад +6

    But I don't like that sometimes you care about build path and sometimes you dont give a f :)

  • @crimsonlightbinder
    @crimsonlightbinder 3 года назад +6

    😅 Wivern monarchs, 70 hp and the super awesome mega great 18-22 damage makes it before champions which have 100 hp, stupid big damage and cost 100 gold more :)))) 😂.

    • @chuckwood3426
      @chuckwood3426 3 года назад +2

      And in front of dread knights which have 120 hp and does 15-30 damage with a chance of double damage. Also + 4 to attack and defense. The only drawback being that they have -2 to speed and dont fly. They also cost 400 gold extra.

  • @CitizenBrown
    @CitizenBrown 3 года назад +7

    Interesting to see Dread Knights below Efreet Sultans.

    • @amahovac
      @amahovac Год назад

      In my opinion Dread Knights are far superior then Efreet Sultan. When you stack alot of them they are a nightmare to kill.

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      @@amahovac Not really, they are nothing special, just a generic strong Tier 6. But 99% of the time you want to go for vampires.

    • @amahovac
      @amahovac Год назад +1

      @@DOGEreal Vampires are the storngest tier 4.

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      @@amahovac Of course they are, 40 of them can clear a utopia without losses, this is the reason why you usually don't se Dread Knights.

  • @Ninja-py1ss
    @Ninja-py1ss 2 года назад +1

    WTF ifrits in s tier? and magicians and dead knight's in A tier? Lexi ,whats is wrong with you.

  • @333kaktus
    @333kaktus 3 года назад +13

    lol I love how you respond to our small complaints under the last video :D

  • @eyestabber5488
    @eyestabber5488 Год назад +2

    Great content as always, but why do you rank Magic Elementals so low? These guys deal full 360º AOE damage with no retaliation. They also retaliate for full AoE, if the enemy clumps up these guys can hit multiple stacks at the same time while ALSO being immune to magic themselves, so your opponent can't do much about them AND you can meteor shower right on top of them. I think they deserve A, B at the very least.

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      Awful Build path, also most T6 units would out brawl them.

    • @eyestabber5488
      @eyestabber5488 Год назад +1

      @@DOGEreal Wdym, they're on the path to Phoenix. Do you just not make high tier units as conflux?

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад +1

      @@eyestabber5488 They probably have the biggest T6 dwelling cost and worst T6 build path, you never want Earth and Ice elementals. Most games you don't want Phoenixes.

  • @piorundip8705
    @piorundip8705 3 года назад +7

    Situation with cyclops is similar to that with Mighty Gorgons - too much resourses and long tech tree. Also Behemoths have easier bulding order to achive them and are better so almost always have prioryty over Cyclops. So in real life in real game on templates in HotA how often You would build Cyclops Cave? I suppose not too often, usually only to upgrade huge stack of them from Pickets, where You can get 4-12 of them. So there is no point in grinding for that cyclops in town.

    • @orangemusique2147
      @orangemusique2147 3 года назад

      Me and my friend recently started playing vs. 200% AI, he ended up having money problems, but got a whole bunch of resources, so in this scenario he just opted for Cyclops, other than that it's never a priority list, except for Yog purists probably

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities 3 года назад +1

      but they are probably one of the best range units, aren't they? well, range units lose their advantage when u get higher tier of haste but for clearing pack especially in the early game range units are op. well the cost is probably high but stats ain't bad...right?

    • @orangemusique2147
      @orangemusique2147 3 года назад +1

      @@Dualities on some very slow maps it may be ok, but again, behemoths are just better on all occasions. The only scenario I can actually think of is the castle siege against heavy defenders, then Cyclops are quite helpful actually

    • @piorundip8705
      @piorundip8705 3 года назад

      @@Dualities I can agree at some point, they are good, but you never build them. Typical scenario on typical Breake in HotA is that stack of Cyclops + Mass slow is very OP, You can kill hordes of slow units like naga with right kating

    • @piorundip8705
      @piorundip8705 3 года назад +2

      @@orangemusique2147 Playing vs AI like it was before in the past, its a very long game with many months in geme time. Then rushed Capitol is the best strategy and there is a time to build stack of Cyclops from town.
      But on Hota which most people play now, You play sometimes 3 weeks maks, and there is never enough time and resourses for Cyclop Cave

  • @darkholyPL
    @darkholyPL 3 года назад +8

    Lol that Mighty Beefs diss. Love it.
    (still salty tho ;))

  • @jakubkub3178
    @jakubkub3178 3 года назад +12

    You forgot to mention War Unicorn's Magic Resistence Aura ability and Wyvern Monarch's Poison, I think both are very useful, especially when you hit like a stack of Archangels with Monarchs, you lower their hp per unit quite dramatically

  • @TheTchamber
    @TheTchamber 2 года назад +1

    Please make more 'Why I hate..' videos :)

  • @mm.4712
    @mm.4712 3 года назад +9

    cyclops best shooter *titans cry in corner* :D but yeah their availability is much better

    • @MightAngel
      @MightAngel 3 года назад

      What about my titans Lexiav

    • @SandroSegadora
      @SandroSegadora 3 года назад +2

      @@MightAngel Too expensive and thus not very available.

    • @japanesefacist2460
      @japanesefacist2460 3 года назад

      @@SandroSegadora you can get giants and upgrade them

  • @4rgenn
    @4rgenn 3 года назад +2

    S Tier are: Efreet, Naga queens, Dread Knights.
    A tier: Monarchs Wyv, Champions, Enchanters, W Unicorns, Cyclops kings ( due to difficult for build, othwerwise they are top ranking) nix warrior.
    Nix are not so Strong, not even close to Naga, Efreet and Dreads.
    Dreads Knight are insane, lot of stats, and duble damage sometimes can kill quite an entire stack of the same grade units. Efreets are broken, lot of speed, good stats, fire shield and fire immunity, the more versatile 6 tier units, and maybe one of the best unit in the game.
    Nix are good in defense, but they are not brilliant in anything else, bad in offense. Even War unicorns with defense magic aura is much more usefull than Nix in a serious fight.

    • @Vaginaattori
      @Vaginaattori 2 года назад

      You need to realize other units will hit Nixes so much softer due to their ability. This means they will legit beat some offensively stronger units than them. They can beat about half of the other units. they beat unicorns 1on1 for example, which is impressive. Nixes with Tazar... dear lord...

    • @4rgenn
      @4rgenn 2 года назад

      @@Vaginaattori 1 on 1 is nothing is this game, all is different in a serious full fight. Unicorn has more speed ( 9 against 7 is a lot), this mean more versatile, he has 20% chance to blind a total stack of everything ( veri good skill, he can stop a full stack of even strongest units) and he can save other friendly stacks from negative spells.
      The only thing Nix can do is tank something, but he is quite slow, he moves last and can do nothing but attack, without causing even good damage. His attack is ridiculous compared to nagas and knight, and his skills are useless in front of speed and skill of other lv 6 like efreets or Unicorns

    • @Vaginaattori
      @Vaginaattori 2 года назад +1

      @@4rgenn Disagree, because whether you fight pvp or not, you will still fight against the map more than players. Against map that -60% & 17 defense(used to be 20!) is a very big deal. Dragon utopias etc. are so convenient with Nixes. Offensively they are like Wyverns etc. but will do more damage back to other units because of their skill. Not a bad unit at all for final fights. 7 Speed isn't very good, but that's where spells need to help. Or tactics etc. Never had Nixes with Tazar, but i already know they would be immortal. I think they deserve +1 speed. And maybe cost a little less.

  • @MrClayman619
    @MrClayman619 3 года назад +1

    Wyvern monarchs over dread knights? Lolz

  • @fastsync1
    @fastsync1 3 года назад +4

    Titans are better shooters than cyklops :P

    • @manupainkiller
      @manupainkiller 2 года назад

      You won't get them in 3 week max PvP matches.

  • @jirikrulis3601
    @jirikrulis3601 9 месяцев назад +1

    I remember playing heroes3 as a kid vs ai and queen nagas were always my top fav unit, once I tried just skiping turns and stacking nagas then had to face 9999 stacks of halberdiers with 1500 Q nagas and they one shot the whole fuckign stack in one hit... the dmg is really something else. must be somethign else with Fafnir the alchemist as he boosts their move speed and stats per hero level above 6

  • @Yuri_Yslin
    @Yuri_Yslin 3 года назад +4

    My favorite use for Scorpicores is to use small amounts and attempt to hax a powerstack with their paralyze. When you use three stacks of 1-2, you will get it sooner or later and your hero can ignore CC and go for damage, elementals or whatever. Unicorns can do the same but they are slower and don't fly, so don't work as well at this.

  • @leandrusi4533
    @leandrusi4533 4 месяца назад +2

    2:46 "theyre really brdlrbrdlrbl solid theyre really brlsdbrlsbdlr good"

  • @Nik_M11
    @Nik_M11 3 года назад +4

    I would really like to see Rito react to your tier lists !
    Edit: Unicorns should be S tier for making streamers very Sad when they blind lock them.

  • @efi4100
    @efi4100 3 года назад +9

    7:29 Agadmator ?

    • @KRisGT97
      @KRisGT97 3 года назад +1

      Just to be on the safe side he said 'sorry for that' instead of the legendary 'sorry about that'

  • @jjsmthr
    @jjsmthr 3 года назад +4

    I hope you will make a Mainhero Tier list for JC and talk about some niche situation when u open prisons for different towns and have option to main that hero instead of your starting hero and stuff like that :)

  • @1337STREETFIGHTER
    @1337STREETFIGHTER 3 года назад +2

    nix and nix warriors reduce att by 30/60, not 40/80 iirc
    u also mentioned defense reduction at first, before correcting yourself to att reduction - so probably behemoths were partying in your brain at that time:D:D
    great vid as always
    cheers from poland Lexiav

  • @bendragon1000
    @bendragon1000 3 года назад +2

    It is strange how fortress was built in HOMM3. I understand the basilisks having a stoning ability. But honestly, death stare should have gone to the wyvern monarchs because ancient wyverns in MM7 and MM8 both have a death ability. Gorgons did not make an appearance until MM8 and if I'm not mistaken all they are capable of is turning players to stone or possibly paralyzing them. Lower level wyverns in the MM games just cause poison

    • @Vaginaattori
      @Vaginaattori 2 года назад +1

      I wish Wyvern's poison worked like poison does in Heroes 4. So units just take damage every turn, instead of losing max hp. Would make them much more solid.

  • @omuluman7647
    @omuluman7647 3 года назад +4

    Not to mention when the poison accures on the wyvern monarch, they can be pretty scary to fight against.

  • @huberttadych5902
    @huberttadych5902 2 года назад +1

    Dread knights the same as champions? Btch please…

  • @KallenSC
    @KallenSC 9 месяцев назад

    My favorite level ;P
    S tier: Dread Kinght, Naga Queen
    A tier: Magic Elemental, Champion, Sultan Efreeti
    B tier: Black Knight, Enchanter, War Unicorn, Naga, Cavalier, Monarch Wyvren
    C tier: Efreeti, Psychic Elemental, Wyvren, Scorpiore, Unicorn, Cyclops King
    D tier: Cyclops, Diamond Golems, Manticore

  • @dimitaraleksandrov6381
    @dimitaraleksandrov6381 3 года назад +2

    Nice! Time for tier7 :) I really liked your reasoning for the 20% chance for unicorns...
    Once ready with these - please do 1 for the individual heroes.. :)

  • @shoukang3464
    @shoukang3464 3 года назад +12

    It's sad dark knight is not rank S, they are the real level 7 creatures in the Necropolis....

    • @SandroSegadora
      @SandroSegadora 3 года назад +5

      The real tier 7 Necro unit is the Vampire Lord.

    • @Cord1995
      @Cord1995 3 года назад +3

      Not really serious but I'll say the real necro lvl7 unit is...naaah they're kind of lvl1 anyway

    • @manupainkiller
      @manupainkiller 2 года назад +1

      @@Cord1995 In WoG, they were !

  • @Altobrun
    @Altobrun 3 года назад +1

    I think this was the tier list I disagreed with the most - but we have very different approaches to the game since I'm mostly a solo-impossible player and you're a competative-multiplayer.
    My two big points are that I feel like cyclops' are rated too high and war unicorns too low - I feel like cyclops are low B tier and war unicorns are at least A tier myself. I'd also probably move efreet sultan to A tier and magic elemental to B tier. I also feel like black knights are more valuable/better than champions but they're both A tier.
    Other than that I think I agree. Naga Queen is the queen of tier 6 and a powerstack has single handedly carried many games.

  • @kaimat12
    @kaimat12 3 года назад +2

    Never played competitive heroes 3 but god damn this is enjoyable. Good stuff man

  • @hommhommhomm
    @hommhommhomm 2 года назад +1

    Is hota naga queen damage 35? In sod it's 30

  • @blacklight4720
    @blacklight4720 3 года назад +2

    I'm surprised cavaliers and champions made that far in the tier list. I considered them as overpriced ponies. And their build order is way of saying "look, I have wood"
    Still I'm happy they made that high.

    • @anandasatria7734
      @anandasatria7734 2 года назад +2

      it's because of their speed, damage, and tankiness overall. Add jousting bonus which boost their damage makes their passive more consistent than Dread Knights' death blow. Also, wood isn't that expensive compared to g/c/m/s, which makes them more available than Angels in poor resource map.

    • @manupainkiller
      @manupainkiller 2 года назад

      I too, was expecting them to get trashed into the bottom of the list !
      Really surprised lexi was so...benevolent ! :D
      I remember the "fights" with my best friend ; him shitting on the cavaliers, because he was a necro & tower player (and of course, liking his town's T6 units).
      And I was always "bbb...but the JOUSTING !", haha.
      I miss the banter with him !
      However, on the T5 tier list, lexi WAS NOT so benevolent, towards the monk/ zealot ! :(

    • @blacklight4720
      @blacklight4720 2 года назад +1

      @@manupainkiller Looks like it's uneversal(Castle player having a tower player). When we were young(me and my friend) would play hotseat. I always played Castle, and his favorite was tower. Our last game was, Castle vs Necro, Angelic Alliance against mantle of the lich king. I remember how expert teleport on my power stack of Crusaders, won me the game. Good times.

  • @powergaminggg8730
    @powergaminggg8730 3 года назад +2

    I think that in Horn of the Abyss the mechanics of chances to apply ability on hit is reworked and ... not really properly done at that point.

  • @benjaminwerchan2828
    @benjaminwerchan2828 Год назад

    the dread knights are easily on a level with the naga queens, vywern monarchs are rubbish, ifreet sultans need their own category, they are abnormal. Cyclopean kings aren't bad either, magic elements are strong.

  • @jackwalters3928
    @jackwalters3928 2 года назад +1

    Aren't diamond golems an upgrade for something else (I think golden golems). Or is it different in that "abyss" version?

  • @nguyentho6768
    @nguyentho6768 2 года назад +1

    lol I played this game like 5 years or something back when I was in school and never knew the stats make so much difference on similar tier units. I was like "Ooga ooga, these guys are tier 6, they must be good".

  • @PaweMrowczynski
    @PaweMrowczynski 3 года назад +2

    I'd say it would be worth to have 2 tier lists:
    - one for the creatures usability for the players, where you take cost, availability, utility etc into consideration
    - one for the strength of the creatures when you fight against them
    But then it would probably be too many lists ;)

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад +3

      Yeah, that would definetly make sense, but it'd get preety spammy, so i just choose to have a very biased personal list instead :D

  • @coldspine2490
    @coldspine2490 3 года назад

    how is magic elemental c tier? these motherfuckers have the best 3 abilities in the game: no enemy retaliation, magic immunity and hitting adjecent units like hydra
    and with moneree they get 3 attack and defense right off the bat so they become a dread knight with a 80hp basically

  • @TheBikeOnTheMoon
    @TheBikeOnTheMoon 2 года назад +1

    hmmm I didn't know Wyvern monarch is this good. I mean if you look at pure stats alone, champion and dread knight are actually much better, I guess their high speed is the main selling point.

    • @ShivCake
      @ShivCake Год назад

      ye but scorpicors have almost same stats, same speed, are flying too and are lowest C unit for some reason. idk if poisonous is that much better than paralyze or what
      edit: I guess build path carries wyverns

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      @@ShivCake And wyverns are a lot more available too, not to mention going for minotaurs or black dragons are much better than scorpicorc, unlike wyverns.

  • @arno9233
    @arno9233 3 месяца назад

    Playing rashka and focusing on early efreet sultan stacks is the key to playing inferno for me

  • @wowlightshadow
    @wowlightshadow 18 дней назад

    The free Blind from unicorns are pretty strong, they deserve higher

  • @HungNguyen-rj3ek
    @HungNguyen-rj3ek 3 года назад +1

    In 8XM8 the upgraded Wyvern with a huge stack will destroy even the S tier Level 7 unit lll

  • @taotaozhang4568
    @taotaozhang4568 Год назад +1

    How does Nix ignore offense ability interact with Behemoth ignore defense ability? Ends up breaking even?

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      Nixes ignore attack, Behemoths ignore defense. It's normal, behemoths will ignore nixes's defense skill, nixes will ignore behemoth's attack skill.

    • @mohdluqman4681
      @mohdluqman4681 7 месяцев назад

      Stacked these two unit in ur army and let them do their job..nixes take the damage,and let behemoth slays the enemy troops..its sounds like guarantee win situation😊

  • @ПавелМунтян-д8к
    @ПавелМунтян-д8к 2 года назад

    monarchs are at the same level as war unicorns, they should be B, or War Unicorns should be A

  • @Parasmunt
    @Parasmunt 5 месяцев назад

    S tier champions, dread knights and Naga queens nothing else there.

  • @nemou4985
    @nemou4985 Год назад

    If resources and game tempo counts, regular wyverns shoudn't be D tier. Sure in late game they are bad but you can get them like in day 2...
    And Monarchs in A tier? Is that a meme? Those are actually a C, no way they can compete with Cyclops and Enchanter. They are just like Scorpicores.

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      I don't know, it's pretty obvious that they are at least B tier because of their availability, even if it's weak, it's still a Tier 6 unit on Day 1 easily bought.

  • @siqili8713
    @siqili8713 3 года назад +1

    wyvern build path & price is 1000% better than manticores and can act like birds for stronghold in the early game, imo c tier
    But still enjoying your list videos

  • @elisiejuskumiscius9442
    @elisiejuskumiscius9442 3 года назад +1

    Watching 6th video and only now I did realize that tier list looks like made according to grades of items in Lineage II

  • @udi112
    @udi112 14 дней назад

    I don't think wyverns are tier 6 bro

  • @abca14045
    @abca14045 Год назад

    How is cav better than dread knights lol less dmg hp and stats lol

  • @ilierazvan5546
    @ilierazvan5546 3 года назад +6

    Familiar-A
    Magog-A
    Cerberus-A
    Horned Demon-A
    Pit lord-A
    Lexiav after 24 hours later: 8:51
    ...still love ur videos and gameplay

    • @pawlo669
      @pawlo669 3 года назад +1

      Inferno worst in the game easily

    • @musclus3769
      @musclus3769 3 года назад +1

      Man inferno sucks everything should be not higher than B or C

    • @ilierazvan5546
      @ilierazvan5546 3 года назад

      @@musclus3769 the thing îs that Lexi rated inferno units that way. Take a Look in His previous videos.

    • @Vaginaattori
      @Vaginaattori 2 года назад

      @@musclus3769 Most of Inferno's units are not bad at all actually. That's not exactly why the town sucks. Magogs in Hota(you can decidee what hex to shoot) are solid, Cerberus is near the top of it's level, Demons are super average(if you're good at farming, they will be very powerful), Pit lords are offensively the strongest unit after Minotaurs & their ability is great, Efreeti are like a top3 unit of it's level with great utility, Arc Devils can be insanely good. Get even 1 devil or arch devil & conquer the whole map with some help from spells. No other unit can really do that with just 1 of them. Familiars are useless of course, & town has a serious lack of hp, & starts pretty slow(faster than Necropolis usually though). It could be balanced, & i hope that happens 1 day.

  • @natarts892000
    @natarts892000 3 года назад +1

    I like to the list. However, I would place Enchantress to Rank S (at the end) due to bonus spell boost

  • @MacgyverWolf
    @MacgyverWolf Год назад

    Wyverns is tier A and Dread Knights is tier S. There u go.

  • @POtatoChips-x3z
    @POtatoChips-x3z 8 месяцев назад

    Always tought that Dread Knights are so good they could almost pass as a tier 7 unit.

    • @mohdluqman4681
      @mohdluqman4681 7 месяцев назад

      Yes they might.kinda hard to choose between DD or NQ actually.both were too damn good,S tier unit in my opinion.our guy did them dirty by placing them under EFREET SULTAN😢😢😢

  • @Murgraht
    @Murgraht 3 года назад +1

    6k subs and over 20k views... wow really nice man !

  • @mitromney
    @mitromney 3 года назад

    I just can't understand why are Wyverns so underappreciated by Lexiav. They carry almost every single game I roll with Fortress SUPER HARD. The fact that you can buy them at day 1 and that you can farm them both from unit lairs AND from hives makes them absurdly relevant, they should easily be S tier, and their upgrate should be number 1 of all units. Who cares if Naga Queens or any other units are stronger 1 vs 1, before your opponent will purches a single one of these units, you'll be raiding them with 20 of your own Wyverns/Wyvern Monarchs. They are the MVP's of level 6 units. Period.

  • @joeschmoe3665
    @joeschmoe3665 8 месяцев назад

    Aren't Wyvern monarchs trash as well :P

  • @naitsirk32
    @naitsirk32 3 года назад +1

    Liar eeeeeeverybody loves to buy resource silo - said no one 😄

  • @elensie6897
    @elensie6897 3 года назад +1

    Fun fact. Sharp shooters are also tier 6!

  • @hungrymikepencetd5686
    @hungrymikepencetd5686 3 года назад +1

    Easy for me: Death knights are by far the best :). Easy to build, very strong, fast, useful.

    • @ghastlygibus2121
      @ghastlygibus2121 3 года назад

      Cons:Expensive

    • @mitromney
      @mitromney 3 года назад

      @@ghastlygibus2121 Dread Knigts are an average units. True they have a lot going for them, but they have plenty of disadvanages too. For one, they are absurdly expensive, both their hive and their price is so high your opponent will be enjoying tier 7 units by the time you can afford them. Secondly, they are undead, which means many buffs and important tactical spells like bless and frenzy will not work on them. That is particularly a big issue with them BECAUSE they are so expensive and strong. A unit this valuable would benefit immensily from spells such as bless but instead you just have to risk dealing 15 minimal damage every time you attack, while your opponent can blesses/frenzy his unicorns/champions or whatever and deals twice that every single turn. You could say - well, they can double strike, but that's completely counterbalanced by them not being able to have morale. DK's will at times attack for double damage, but so will every other tier 6 creature with a bit of morale too. And thirdly, they are INFANTRY. That's the most useless enemy type on the battlefield, by far. Every single siege they'll be just kissing the town's walls and being useless, and every they'll be slowed and kited to death on open field more often than not too. DK are expensive, can't get core buffs or morale, and are just another useless infantry unit next to MVPs such as Wyvern Monarchs, Efreet Sultans, Cyclops and Enchanters. Combining that with their excellent stats, they are just average in total. I'd put them in B class.

    • @DOGEreal
      @DOGEreal Год назад

      @@mitromney Nah, they are atleast A tier. Their dwelling and build path is average, their cost is a little bit higher than average, and the fact that they are undead makes them better, they can't get berserked, anime dead is broken spell, you will know that you won't missmorale, double damage is brutal and opponent most of the time have like +1 morale which also has a lot less chance of happening than double damage and curse, curse can also be pretty good, but being fair most of the time it doesn't do anything.

  • @Dan-uf2vh
    @Dan-uf2vh 3 года назад +5

    efreet are very squishy; switching place with dread knight would be appropriate; dread knight is the best t6 unit, maybe better than naga queen

    • @DucLe-bp6vt
      @DucLe-bp6vt 2 года назад +2

      Highest attack and damage in tier 6 and no retaliation, dread knights are great but are no match for naga queens

  • @jagoob
    @jagoob 3 года назад +3

    Rating mighty gorgons: terrible build path C rank
    Rating cyclops: lets ignore the even worse build path cuz pickets
    Rating Wyverns: lets ignore hives and just look at the stats
    🤔
    Still love your vids but t6 seems to have undoubtedly the most drama here. I can only hope tier 7 is as contentious.

    • @Lexiav
      @Lexiav  3 года назад +4

      If the units are not botched by an external factor such as the build path, then they are worthy of being of being judged by their own worth/stats. I don't see abundance as a reason i love units more, but still see unavailability as a reason to value them less. Wyverns/Cyclops are both available easily, so they're worthy of being judged by their own stats, so i do so. :D Anyways, subjective :)

    • @jagoob
      @jagoob 3 года назад

      @@Lexiav overall I think your right they are insanely good with high availability but I personally would say cyclops are tier C if you ignore pickets. At normal numbers they are underwhelming especially with their terrible build path.

  • @ErykMroczny
    @ErykMroczny 3 года назад +1

    Nagas in S tier because they are sexiest, change my mind