Electronic Logging Device (ELD) Explainer for Bennett Shippers
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2017
- This whiteboard video explains some of the challenges Bennett Owner Operators face as the industry moves toward the Electronic Logging mandate. We hope to educate our trucking and logistics customers on some of the challenges drivers face so that we can partner to provide the highest level of service in the elog era.
Shippers dont care about Ben
Bryan Hiland That’s what I was saying ..
They dont
LMAO! Damn it boy!
i use to work for lowe's and we make your ass wait until we feel like loading your ass..... sometimes we even make truckers wait until the next morning cause everybody wants to go home and not dealt with truckers. But blame it on the boss not the employees... that's why i quit ...
We deliver America and we get crapped on everyday. Shippers, Recievers, Dispatch, Dot, the motoring public they don't care about the guy moving all the freight and being safe.
duck man you forgot stop for border patrol are you a citizen ?then agricultural inspections open your truck check the load.or scales adjust the load.construction sites bad roads.state troopers cops in unmarked cars pull you over.flat tyre.breakdown no parking.no place to take a dump now eld.
I think they just clearly explained why eld suck, whether they meant to or not
i have been on ELDS since 2014. i run 2500 3000+ miles a week and take a 34. I plan my routs and my stops. The fact is the ELD is no different than a paper log with one exception. YOU CANT LIE ABOUT IT.
john endsley
you owner operator or company?
Bradley Selk I'm a company driver. That makes no difference.
john endsley
I'm an owner operator and since putting this damn computer in my truck my production has been cut in half.
even when I run out every minute I'm still not able to make my runs on time.
runs that usually take a day to run now take a day and a half.
this shit is going to kill the owner operator.
and I'm beginning to think that's the point.
to make us all company drivers.
if this shit don't change I'm cutting off my truck.
I already know 7 others who have shut down over this including one guy who owned 7 trucks.
this elog shit will be the death of small outfits and independent owner operators
john endsley do you have a dedicated route, or you haul all sorts of loads, different loads every week? And do you live load and unload?
ban ELD
they should pay all drivers 48 dollars an hour from the time you are dispatched until you get to the destination then you should get 18 dollars an hoyr until dispatched agin no excuses
Ernest Gibson that sound like a dream I wish it sure was true lol
no shit
Elds will cost us money, income will not be the same.
Ben simmons is a cheat code, it does come to that lol
N Cortez ELogs won't cost money. the 70 hrs on ELogs are the same 70hrs on paperlogs .
James Brundage cost us money as in we will be loosing money since we wont be able to work the same miles we do every week. I do about 3200 miles a week; with elogs, miles i make everyweek will depend on shippers, receivers, and traffic. Most likely less than 3200 miles a week.
Phil Jackson gave us porzingis and Frank yup i will probably end up doing a local job paying by the hr, getting tired of over the road anyways.
N Cortez 14hrs is 14hrs either on paper or ELDS, I drive with ELDS and I can get just as many miles as I did on paper. Keep your left door closed and drive. I get between 3500 to 4000 miles a week. Maybe if you had a truck that could run ,you would make miles. I ran from buffalo N.Y. to Clearfield Utah to twin falls Idaho and back to N.Y. in my 70hrs.
Who ever came up with E logs. Obviously never drove a truck !!
David Syvinski Werner did
Absolutely perfect! Now if only the fmcsa could see the disruptions that are going to be created. Only wish mor trucked would hav stood with OOIDA in the fight against the ELD. The shippers and receivers will never give a damn. As long as it is out of their warehouses or received into. The loss of revenue for the little guy will not matter to them!
Thanks to ELD expect the driver shortage to get WAAAAY worse.
Ben started drinking a lot after his wife and kids left him, then the repo man came to call after a few late payments on the semi because of the late nights ,tramps, and rum , after that o'll Ben had to live in a van down by the river, so thanks a lot electronic logs !
All I can say people is that the Carriers better be ready for a lot of LATE FEES!
I've never worked for Bennett, but it sounds like they aren't happy about the new electronic logging either...
We need to drop CPM and move to hourly rates. Pay for all duty hours regardless if you're moving or not.
Tell Ben to arrive at the shipper/receiver the night before. Tell Ben not to start his 14 hour shift until his load is tarped and he's headed out the gate. Now Ben can work 18 hours or more and only log 14. Lets all hope that been can stay awake long enough to reach the next shipper/receiver. Oh and don't forget to tell Ben that he gets to do this 5 or 6 times a week. Enjoy your 34 hours at home Ben! It starts all over again Sunday evening...
if Ben had paper logs he would have delivered on time and got paid. whats safer someone thats sleeping when tierd or someone that runs around like a cheetah on cocaine trying to get the miles in before his elog shuts him off?
AcadianSkull it's not about safe. Just about money
Then you don't know how to rest buddy ,when at shipper or receiver and they are taking their time then go to sleep until they knock on your door and be ready for 1000 miles because you are rested.
These surgeons that your life depends on them don't think they can sleep more than 5or6 hours in their California king bed at home before their next shift and they want to regulate us to sleep 10 hours straight in a tin box ,load of cap,it's all about after tax violation money from truckers ain't nothing to do with safety.
Time to park it for good, get some of these new generation drivers that don't know any better. Not me ..
you nailed it...the cartoon in the video is every truck driver in america...a lot of truck drivers I know, edit their ELD, I don't know how they never get caught...
Hey you all. I welcome these E. L. D's. They will do one of two things. #1 Bring our pay up, or #2 Make enough people angry enough to stop their truck, Driver, Owner/Operator and Fleet Owner alike, and stand up and say, "Enough is Enough!" Everyone who reads this needs to go and read what the Australian Truckee's did way back in the late 70's . It will be tough to do it, but we can and should. I would like #1 The 14 Hr rule gone, #2 Sleeper birth/bunk split up, #3 Detention pay, and #4 Make it legal to carry a fire arm everywhere that truck goes in America. Just a thought from an Ole' Trucker.
Rodney Patton . Well said. I would also like the 70hr restart rule gone and an 8th break instead of 10. I don't need a 10hr rest period. And the 1/2 hr after 8 hrs on duty break is ridiculous. The government should've also mandated that shippers and recievers are to load or unload in no more than an hours time. Or pay $100 an hour to the driver. And for those that are company drivers, you should get paid for every mile you drive, not get paid for 2800 miles if you actually drove 3100 miles. That short miles household moving miles needs to be abolished. Working and not getting paid for your work is like slavery. With today's gps technology, they could pay you for every mile you drive.
Amen!
The 30 min meal break is a joke
Jesus Martir ELDs are great. Pay me by the hour! These Trucking co’s always want it both ways. No reason not to pay by the hour now that you know every move that the truck makes. If you pay by the hour drivers will show all there working hours. Roads will be very safe. You can’t have it both ways. Sorry
Rodney Patton I fully agree
The old ELDs could be unplugged from the dish and turned off without being charged navsat drive time when turned on agian when you got through traffic . The new ones have a internal battery supply inside one of the side boxes on the sleeper still recording . My company lost a bunch of container drivers who got paid by the load from that. Delays killed the pay.
Just wait till 80% of the trucks on the road gets elogs think it's bad now just wait..
I’m about to go to trucking school. At my previous job we provided GPS units and an ELD app service to trucking companies. We were receiving constant complaints, all of the truck drivers HATED the ELD app and it was difficult for some of the more seniored drivers to use it and fix their logs. I spoke to a driver who said he’s done and he quit trucking on the spot! The worst part is that our ELD app was horrible, it requires a Bluetooth connection to a unit that was installed into the tractor and the Bluetooth connection would NOT work. The driver would also get error codes on the app and a lot of the time we didn’t know what the error meant so we had to reach out to the company that provided the software. We constantly had to tell the drivers that we’ll look into the situation but for now revert back to paper logs. This caused frustration and a lot of times the truck driver would take it out on their dispatcher I felt so bad for them.
With the elog we cannot control the shipper or receiver or traffic holding you up and sure when the time runs out you need to pull over safe area or unsafe area city or mountain and may you can't make it to rest area or truckstop I'm sure we gonna see a lot of trucks parking side of the road in ever where ( losing time losing money )
They need to add extra 2 hrs of driving to logs and extra 2 hrs on duty. By doing this there is time to kill for loading/ unloading, traffic jam, scales, DOT inspections, fuel lines, most important if everything is running smooth extra time for a 3 hr nap
Thats basically how I explained it to my last carrier. Tired of being put behind schedule by shprs and then treated like a slacker and put on standby if I could not make the JIT appts. E-logs with 11/14 HOS leave you fews options while the customers have all the options
Great video!!
Hilarious! Like shippers & receivers give a shit about Ben.
Understanding that this comment wasn’t directed at every single shipper and receiver, they're exceptions. Obviously they're are many different kinds of freight of varying weight and sizes, all being loaded by different equipment at different facilities with different trailers. Point being there are variables. That being said hearing about some of these drivers waiting upwards of 12 hours for a pickup is insane. I feel bad for the guy or gal that has to wait more than 2 hours sitting on the dock. Not to pat myself or my co-workers on the back but after reading some horror stories in these comments, definitely feel some pride in the way we run things at our warehouse. First off we don't schedule the truck until the load is 100% complete. That includes the pallet, shrink wrapped, labeled, marked appropriately if international, and packing slip. Even if it's just the packing slip missing, the order will not be called in until it has been put on the skid. From the time the driver enters the lot, talks to the shipping office, backs trailer, docks, chocks the wheels, plate raised, 24-30 skids loaded (depending on order), paperwork complete, raised plate, removed chocks, and driver leaving dock it is under an hour 99% of the time. Hearing about guys not giving a f*** about that blows my mind. Drivers and their trucks is what makes this country run. Think about it, every. single. thing. you own was on a truck at some point. Your computer you're reading this comment on, the chair your sitting on in your office, the fan keeping you cool overhead, even the materials in your house, tile flooring, carpet, plywood, lumber, shingles, siding, bricks, insulation, windows, doors, everything, every item you use on a daily basis came from somewhere and it got there via truck. Not really sure where i was going with all of this, just started typing, however, drivers and their trucks run America and without them our country would be alot different, so to all of you shipping and receiving guys out there making these guys wait because the load isn't ready or you're to busy f****** around, pull your head out of your ass and get moving! You could be the reason why your new furniture is a day late when you go to pick it up, because someone like you wasted the drivers time the day before and now he/shes behind.
They will when it affects their profit margins
Anyone know if we can use mobile apps as a elog book or do you have to buy the device. I drive to Washington and Oregon from California
I lost six days of work in the last 2 weeks, but I'm really safe. Thanks, government!
Lmao the shippers and receivers being proficient and on time hahahaha
Shawn
Never going to happen in a million years! Workers in the warehouses are paid by the hour and could care less about getting things done on time.
I'm gonna drive it 11 hrs and park right there. Yep, likely in the middle of the road. Because surely there won't be and safe parking or a business that's allows truck parking. Most businesses hate trucks but they need us.
I hate E-Log, everyday I'm fighting the clock, speeding, reckless driving to make up time, I'm super sleepy . 11hrs of driving it's more like 10hrs because you can't run the full 11 all the time due to looking for a rest stop for 10hr break
That would be my problem, being stuck in some truck stop for ten hours in Hogfuck, Iowa with nothing to do but try to either sleep in my truck, eat expensive truck stop food or just what, play WiFi on your phone?
we need more sites like this maybe it will get congress attention how these elogs are not what they think they are .i run reefer abd i average satting 3 to 5 hrs .sometimes up to 8 hrs this elog is going to hurt the trucking industry .if there worried about saftey then stop putting inexperienced drivers on the road .and build more parking .i think its all about control and money.
Sometimes the old way is the better way
just wait till freight sits on docks and shippers ask for teams only and then all the trucking company's laugh and explain that teams a super rare and will cost a fortune..
Rates will sky rocket after the eobr is mandatory. that will drive everything up on the shelfs.
the tables will turn in the truckers favor.
Some carriers have started stepping up with detention pay and layover pay.
Lack of parking when i drove there was a few times i had to fudge my logs because no parking so i had to move on try again.
During said truck drivers stand by time could you use that to rest? If your company doesn't allow that you need to push to be able to do that. and for the government to recognize this rest period to extend said workday.
Just trying to help no idea if it's good or bad advice
Andy Berlino its not the company that doesn't allow it...It's the federal regulations. You'd have to be in the sleeper for at least 8 hours in order to benefit you at all. 7 hours and 59 minutes or less is just wasted time.
Sherry Boyd eld in my comment is supposed to be Gov so im going to edit that
ELDs. Great for drivers. Not so good for shippers,receivers or consumers! Work less get paid the same. Win, win for drivers! Can’t wait for elogs to kick in!!
great vedeo and great explain mate you must put this vedeo on TV for show the really true
Try Livestock or Bull hauling they have different DOT rules and runs 3 digits 😉
OOIDA fight for all trucker. I stand by OOIDA for life .
when jimmy carter d-regulated truckung and made everyone a cut-throat , it went too helk i just simply walk away and never looked back the reak reason they went to eld was because the dot could never figure out how we did our ligs . hekk i could out run a team to californua and make as much money as the team but when they went to cdl k worked about 7 years before i quit and i am 57 dont get any money from nowhere and im fine with barter&trade its great
Here comes the ELD. Congrats truckers!
Surely if you were running legal on paper logs it has the same effect? Just asking a question not looking for an argument, driver from the UK trying to understand how it works for others
SamC94 let's b honest, paper can be manipulated, therefore the driver and shipper are both happy.... now that we basically have a manager riding in the truck with us, the shipper, driver, and the driver's company will all b pissed that the load didn't make it on time
Mario Edwards ok fair enough, so basically people are pissed they can't run illegally without getting caught. I'm surprised they haven't adopted the same sort of tachographs we have in the UK and Europe
well kinda, I'm pretty sure we all could run legally and get the job done, but I guarantee you everybody won't get all their loads delivered on time everyday, especially when you have major cities with traffic, not to mention some of the shippers have you waiting for like 2yrs before they unload you, but I think it's mostly a mental thing for all the o/o that own their truck and have to b monitored 24/7 now instead of being 50 miles from home with no hrs available they will have to shut down..... me personally I hate how much power DOT has over us, because if they think this will improve safety, it's all one big sham, if anything their will b more dangerous drivers rushing to get their day done for a parking spot(if available) at a truck stop smh
Mario Edwards I agree with you, we have the same problems mate
I wish the security wackos at Weyhauser in Trinity MS would watch this..
ever been to amricold in west memphis. that's at least a 4 hour wate to get loaded. I've always had elogs till now personally I never wanna go back to elogs you can't get shit done.
We feel your pain, and have for a few years. Change is hard and it's definitely causing challenges for everyone, drivers, shippers and trucking companies. Remember the world before email? We don't either, but that change was pretty painful. We hope you all make it through. One of our owner operators, "Superman" Rodney Glaspie lays out 7 tips on how he's dealing with elogs in this blog post. www.bennettig.com/driver-shares-tips-managing-electronic-logs/
BennettInternational It’s not your fault Bennett , we’re all it it together
What did Bennet do to lobby against e-logs...
You guys are fighting the future
chef aguilar now if I can only get my fucking truck up to 88mph and hit that wire across the clock tower in the middle of town .........
Find a way to put 2 elogs in the truck
This is why many companies run teams now keep them moving and no home time.
Jessicataylor25
yes indeed jessica, you got it. I've done this for 41 years up until 5 years ago, and I have watched the government try to nudge the industry into team operations. Why? The gov't is convinced that every truck crash is due to fatigue, and these dummies actually think you can rest in a moving truck.
If loads aren't ready when the truck arrives the driver needs to leave get another load. Or start charging detention the minute that truck is there.
This was the whole plan of the AMA ,sideline independents so they can make there already giant co bigger .the more independents sitting in truck stops and not making deliveries on time will create a bigger market and demand for large co .If they have a truck that can't make a delivery time they will just bring in anther truck and driver and off they go .independents have one truck and trailer and no option but to sit till the egg timer says you can go
I have been using ELDs from my Trucking business for about a year and I make money and would not do it any other way. And I have also had several years experience driving for companies who had ELDs before I started my own company. Yes ELDs do work great and yes you can make money. But if you can't money and do it legal then leave the load and I will get it done within my available legal hours to work with.
I remember when my dad kept three sets of logs,for the cops,the company,and himself.Now high-tech let's them know where you are and how fast you're driving.This sucks!
Ok elogs save life.. maybe that true.. but this has happened to me many times go into a place to deliver and they hold you up for 3 or 4 hours Truckstop is 30 minutes away. And you run out of hours and you are not allowed to park on their property .. and it’s unsafe to sleep on ramp.. what do you do... like really .. no matter how u plan ur day it will go south. Trucks are unwelcome in many Area
Elog will change the shippers and receivers the way they do business, it's them that needs to adjust not the drivers. The only thing that I don't like is the 14 hours. And I hope they bring back the split sleeper berth time.
its not the e logs just pay us a trucks drivers more
Stfu this was go happen b4 this bill
if u believe that so much then go in the off right now an tell your company to give u a 10k rise and see what they tell u
Companies after watching this be like who the fuck is Ben? Lol
WE all have to hit truck stop
do laundry
take a shower
to take a shit
what if you get to a truck stop and it’s full
NOW you have to drive to another truck stop
BUT that e log still running even though your not on delivery and since we get paid by the mile not by he hour we’re gonna loose $$$$ and not to mention major cities traffic sometimes moving 20 mph
😭
Here's a novel idea. How about truckers get paid for every freaking minute they're working
America land of the free and over governed
Help Ben by getting rid of elogs. Truckers Unite.
Easy fix be local and get paid hourly, as soon as you start your truck pays off on long run
That easy wow..have to see it to believe it
So basically its the rigid regulations and not the ELD that is the real issue? After all if this guy was operating legally he would be in exactly the same situation recording his day on paper would he not?
We have had digital Tachographs here in the UK for 11 years (after decades of Electronic Tachographs recording on circular card) and we have had no issues with productivity or whatever. We see them as a safety tool and the big companies are the biggest enforcers of adhering to the law because if one of their drivers breaks the law on hours then the company itself (and their 'licensed person') can be in court and fined heavily for 'permitting' the offence.
It works here because we have regulations built to make sure it all works as well and as flexibly as possible. And of course we are not paid by the mile. Just the hours worked. And legally I can be on duty here for a maximum of (3 days @ 15 hours + 3 days @ 13 hours) = 84 hours in one week! I am happy to post a Government link on how we regulate the hours on duty, rest and driving if it helps the discussion.
Most of the time here in the US the company doesn't get into any trouble, just the driver. So why should the company care if something is logged wrong? Driver loses the licence and the company finds another driver to take his/her place. All the mega carriers care about is the $.
Terry - well that is where it works here I think. Make the companies more responsible for legal operation, lose some $ in fines and where necessary remove their licence to operate trucks.
We have what we call an Operators Licence ('O Licence') for anyone wanting to run a truck for 'Hire & Reward' (aka haulage!). It is granted by the local Traffic Commissioner who is normally a senior Barrister or a retired Judge.
To be granted one an individual or company must have:
A Nominated Person who must hold what is called a 'Certificate of Competence'
A regular maintenance regime either inhouse or under contract
An off road authorised Operating Centre large enough to park the whole fleet
Financial competence and specified financial resources
If a company or its drivers break the law they can be fined and maybe have their fleet reduced. Repeat behaviour results in the loss of their Licence and they are shut down.
That tends to concentrate their minds!
No ELD. Strike!
I think there trying to run trucking in to the ground for some reason and there doing a good job of it
David Herman I believe it is to make self driving trucks more acceptable
Buy a truck before the year 2000 and you'll be fine drivers no Elogs required for old trucks 😊
Yeah and all of them will have 2 million plus miles on it. I don't want a truck that isn't in the shop every month.
Why on Earth would you want that??!! Jk I know what you meant even with that typo.
Slap a brand new dd15 in there and shes good as new
So people cant break the rules that already exist?
How can we help Ben?
we could do what you ask or we could strike and force the federal government to do away with he logs then it would be a lot easier on Ben to be able to do his freaking job, just saying
This is why Ben said Fuck it and quit driving truck.
I run a tachograph in my truck to monitor my hours. CVSA/DOT can't argue with me. Perfect. As for shit shows that try screw bennett. Charge by the hour to have a guy sit their waiting. 4 hours wait time, no problem, we will send you a bill for 400 to 500 dollars. Shippers will start caring. Trust me. This is the problem with a lot of companies, they don't charge to have a truck sitting their. My company charges, I get loaded in 15 minutes to a half an hour (unless some body has us deliver during a concrete poor. I don't care I get paid by the hour). Just sayin'
Non truck ppl regulating your shit , i quit when they started the CDL
14 hours is not enough time for work and 10 hours brake is too much
Eld's just plain suck it's micromanaging on a whole new level
Let the bureaucrats make deliveries under their rules, and they'll change those regulations real quick.
Yeah why do you think Warren Buffett's going to invest in Pilot truck stops figure that one out
Yeah, and his Last Name is Dover. He now represents all Truckers, Nation Wide
VancouverCanucksRock I gotta admit that WAS funny !!!!
With all due respect your country and your trucking industry still live in the previous century.Update it all and join the rest of the world in this century.
Don't sweat it Ben, just call and state the delay and no problem. If something like this makes you lose money get out of the business
Give us our paper freedom back
When they pay drivers for waiting then Elog will be ok
Now Ben can’t make his delivery on time and it’s a Friday before a 3 day holiday , now Ben must wait till must deliver on Tuesday , what’s that ??? The receiver can’t unload till 430 pm? , that mean s Ben has to wait till wensday to pick up his next load .....the shipper says ....Ben you have to leave the yard , you can’t park here!!!! But don’t worry Ben there’s a nice truckstop an hour down the road....?? When Ben gets there there are NOT a parking spot to be had .... Ben has bills and now there’s a small paycheck coming next week....now I’ve only started driving 41 years ago so perhaps this would NEVER happen in real life but.....welcome to the new world of truckin Ben !!!!!....hey government are ya listening ?????
E-logs are here to stay, so lets make changes where we can. We need to get the Governments attention to get rid of stupid regulations like the 1/2hr break, it has to go. We need more parking, its been a problem for years, and even more now with E-logs. Join OOIDA, make your voice heard in Washington.
Yes you are right, a time out so to speak, with limits of course.
the government don't care about truck drivers and they don't thank about time to get load and stuff like that but when the food or gas and exciting. they thank about it then
the trucking companies are going to just start charging shippers for loading time.
Simple to fix just pay by the hour $30.00 and company's now they will give a shit
Funny thing is that there are regulation for truckers but not for pilots.
Im Zeigen ... yes there is... 60 hours a week (which is defined as 168 hours), 290 hours on duty in a 28 day period with only 100 of that being flight time. And 1000 hours of flight time in a calendar year.
If the first flight of the day is between 5 am and 7:59 pm you allowed 9 hours with a single pilot, 8 hours if it starts at any other time. 3 pilots is 13 hours, 4 pilots is 17 hours. And a rest break is a required 10 hours. Just like trucking
Im Zeigen
man you couldn't be more wrong
Commercial aviation is the most regulated industry, much more so than trucking. You can't turn a wrench or take a piss without the FAA having something to say about it.
Less driving less fueling less money for TA , FLYING J , PILOT , PETRO and little truck stops
Less driving less IFTA taxes for the states
Less driving less maintenance costs less money for the repair shops
Less driving for truckers-- o well maybe we can make same money flipping burger 🍔
Yup shippers give two fucks about been! 2HRS my ass I've spent 10.5hrs in a dock waiting to get loaded with 5k thanks olive branch Mississippi
Ben......you should have paid attention in school.
Shippers don't give a hoot! Really!
Ben is force to race against the clock, ouch..more dangerous. .
paper logs could have prevented this
Well my driving career is over good luck to you all i quit
Pedro Diaz come on man ya still got till dec 18th.
Lmao people! They making seem so easy! Ben eventually got screwed arriving late with a $700 late fee! Way to go Ben!...LMAO
THEO NELSON
Why would you haul a load that charges late fees? You guys need to stop hauling that cheap BS freight
Dead or alive your're coming with me I DO CONCUR WITH YOU SIR! I WAS JUST USING "BEN" AS AN EXAMPLE GUY! BELIEVE ME, I'M NO FOOL TO CHEAP FREIGHT....LOL
thats right S/R don't give a crap. Soooooo glad i now get an hrly pay for driving. I will never go back to mile pay. Would rather be a welfare case then mile pay.
I’ve been trucking for 50 years and this is some stupid shit . I think I’m going to retire!
i been a driver for 10 years, alright i am about done no
Yea and Ben is never home so his wife left him and he barely knows his kids and his pay check might pay for the divorce