Mario Trevino if everyone could do that for 48 hours in this country people in Washington would think a little different when there pockets get hurt it can be gone if everybody plan head for it that means save there money so they didn't have be a slave and pay next bill only if that could ever happen.
Ca, your state is the problem. A lot of this protest is because of outrageous regs(exhaust regs, crooked scale houses, severity of penaltys, hos, etc.)
California. And Highway Patrol will routinely Truckers in roadwork situations only to Give Them Crooked fines, I should know it happened to me and when I explain to the officer the obvious situation why was in the second to left hand lane he laughed and said it's only a ticket you'll just have to pay some money. I was coming off a one-lane road work situation that dumped me out into a middle Lane and because of that he pulled me over immediately what Crooks they are in California,
Actually similar protests are taking place all over the country the problem we're having is these dumbasses keep protesting for more time instead of better pay
You are right on the true point Mr Robert ,,DOT ,CHP, the state is so damn crooked that's what making me stop my truck and go get in other job that I don't have to get raped by this..
Fred Martinez .... Consider this..Our whole industry takes a vacation,,June 26 thru July 5th..Just imagine how many BBQs there would be..We don't entertain holidays,,we work thru them so the rest of the world can..Enough is Enough..We need all operators and Driver's to grow a set of Balls and Speak up,,speak up through actions,,not bullshit talk..I have not turned a wheel during this period of time for years,,,nor will I..Grow A Set
Hell yeah would be nice just like the gas prices jumping all over for what. Oh a plant needs maintenance right before a hurricane and prices jump all over
If they're going to regulate truck drivers in forcing them to running e logs especially owner-operators that paid for their own trucks and regulate truck drivers to do everything they need to do within 14 hours then they need to regulate for shippers and receivers to take no longer than 1 hour to load a trailer or unload a trailer. I got out of the trucking industry because of this I have ran countless sleepless nights waiting to be loaded or unloaded used to I was able to shut down and sleep when I needed but with elogs I was not allowed to do that and that is why I got out of the trucking industry and the cause of that is because shippers and receivers take up to 7 hours to load and unload a truck
I had a 100mile job that took 40 hours; 12 on shipper 1 on the road, 10 on break 1 on the road again and 16 on receiver ....I only got paid for 2 of those hrs.
duck man gotta jump on that owner operator man. You can go home when you want and stay there how ever long you want. I been out here for almost a month. Im heading home on Christmas eve and i will be home for 2 weeks!
used to be on e logs when i started and it was awful, if i couldnt sleep the night before , i couldnt stop for a 2 hr nap because that. 14 hr clock just kept ticking and i had to through rush hour through the big cities half sleep like that because i couldnt take a simple 2 hr nap, e logs are dangerous
Homer Montoya if you can't go through a 14 hour day with out needing a nap..1) you might not be fit to drive for a living..or 2) you might need to see a doctor, does your neck hurt too, pain in the left shoulder...you might have a problem with your heart, those are some signs, I'm not a doctor. Just saying👊🏻
The big trucking companies want electronic logs. This will hurt the owner operator. Every voter in CA should understand this will increase the cost of everything you buy.
No it wont and you're an idiot, clearly you aren't meant to be a trucker. Damn shame, you're an adult and can't manage an 18 hour clock, hope it passes and dumb asses like you leave this industry.
Why the hell would any trucking company want ELD knowing well the driver can be shut down 1 hour before his destination because of some inconvenience on his route. And now he's late. And possibly gonna have to change his next pick up schedule.
It's a day you stupid jack ass, 14 hours then add that 10 hour break and what do you get you stupid shit? You're prime example of trying to be so dumb that you instead do stupid things, nice fail though idiot.
That’s because more people die on the road each year than die in plan accidents! Truckers are dealing with more people each day on crowded roads! More possibles for accidents.
What? Are you high? Professional pilots are more regulated and scrutinized than truckers. The licensing process is longer, more expensive, and more formalized, the levels of what type of plane you are licensed to fly are more graduated, your experience based on flight hours is more thoroughly documented, your HOS are much stricter enforced, and, to top it off, a commercial pilot has to hang it up at age 65. Funny thing is you have no idea what you are talking about.
If you wanna protest and get there attention out there the protest should be don’t deliver and loads or operate your truck. Truck protestors are protesting but not making any money and burning fuel for nothing just don’t drive period.
Big E if your worried about burning few gallons of fuel to make a point then you don't understand what it's all about. You must be a company driver that can't do anything unless your told how to do it.
Lobo Ramirez I'm a rookie driver 2months and i jumped straight into owner operator lol. I believe that if people would simply stop working for an entire week, they would get there point across. But the majority of the truckers have to pitch in. Im afraid that that's easier said then done. As long as there are people willing to bust their ass for low cents per mile, then we have a huge problem.
YOUR'E RIGHT MIGUEL, BUT TRUCKERS ARE EITHER STUPID OR JUST COWARDS, AND TO MANY OF THEM ARE JUST BROWN NOSERS TO STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER. THEY CANT SEE IF ONE GETS MORE PAY WE ALL DO
Antoine Finch exactly. A lot of truckers are a bunch of cowards. Constantly letting the government fuck with them all the time. Truckers have more power then they realize. But they are too busy kissing ass and throwing each other under the bus. As long as we have a lot of guys thinking they balling by making around 30cpm and guys kissing ass, there will never be a chance to get everyone united. If most of the trucker decide to not operate there trucks for a week, i would join them as wel
The only legit gripe I can see is not being off duty while waiting at shippers/loading docks. That is time the drivers arent driving. Hence not on the 14 hour clock. Im not working if im not getting paid. Seems like common sense to me. Then again, where does common sense fit in todays world.
ironhorse127 say you start work at 0600 and arrive at the shipper/reciever at 0800. You leave that shipper/reciever at 1700 (5p.m.) and your 14 hr clock ends at 2000(8p.m.). You sat all day and waited for free. Now factor in driving during rush hour traffic and that you get paid by the mile and you only had a grand total of 5 working hours you actually earned some money for. We used to could log off duty and/or sleeper birth for 8 hrs and have a full 10 hours to drive after getting loaded/unloaded and we didn't have a 14 hr clock to race against. The 14hr clock once started doesn't stop unless you get a full 10 hr break period. Once loaded/unloaded most shippers/recievers want you off their property pronto, so even if your close to a 10hr break, just driving a couple of blocks down the road to finish your break puts you driving again and you have to start all over again on your 10 hr break.
Double Nickle after 2 hours GET DETENTION!!! That's what it's for..when one sits at a customer for hours on end. Some companies charge detention after 1 hour. We were picking up at Heniz , Fremont Ohio, few years back, and those folks move extremely sloooow. Sometimes we received 5-6 hrs detention at 50.00 p/hr. We all will see how things after a period of time after everyone is on E-Logs.
You can be off duty while at the shipper. But you must truly be off duty. The company I work for is 98% no touch. I very seldom have to be on duty at shipper/consignee
If your in care custody and control of your truck.. your on duty. It’s not rocket science. Sitting a receivers dock for 12 hours waiting to be unloaded it’s still 12 hours on duty. And don’t forget your 30 minute safety break with your first 8 hours. God forbid this industry actually has a lunch break standard like the rest of the workforce.
Pennsylvania Dual Sport no. Sitting in your truck isn't "on-duty" I believe the HOS allows 2 hours off duty in the driver seat while parked. After that you should sit your ass in the sleeper. Can't be on duty back there.
Never happen, I started driving in 1980 and every time there was a two day strike to show everybody they couldn't live without trucks very few drivers shutdown.
htsa htsa I am thinking that the Elogs will do that when the drivers have to stop driving after 14 hours. There's gonna be a lot of late loads food medical supplies gasoline. Better stock up America and fill up your gas tanks and get everything you need.
hid man This is the biggest joke. Office Kids telling workers what’s safe. Never asking a drivers way of thinking It’s the real world VS morons in Government
Steven Clutz Fuck California! Thats where all the bullshit starts in this country! Shit starts at the Pacific ocean and rides the breeze all the way to the Atlantic. Can't wait til California falls off the edge of this country and sinks!
My company has now started the electronic logbook system two weeks ago this has made my job extremely stressful to get in and off the clock within regulations and fighting traffic still trying to get same amount of work done this really sucks
The bottom line is that these regulations in all actuality, prevent drivers from being as safe as possible by not allowing them to drive in a 24 hr period. The Times that it is safest and best for all parties involved. Which does include the motoring public. More truckers are found in rush hour traffic because it's not our choice to be there, but the choices of those who are not involved physically but lawfully. SIMPLY PUT. THESE REGULATIONS HAVE PUT MORE PEOPLE IN DANGER. ESPECIALLY TRUCK DRIVERS.
The male news caster asked, “If the bill is meant to prevent drivers from working EXTRA UNPAID hours, why are so many truck drivers against it?” For those that DON’T know: they AREN’T unpaid. And the simple answer is that they AREN’T extra either. This ALL comes down to drivers wanting to put in, what we consider a “good days work”, in the safest possible way. The ELDs are too rigid in their programming to allow for efficient use of time. However, the real solution involves an overhaul of the Hours of Service rules.
My worst complaint is that the E log mandates when you can or can't drive.. it doesn't know what you as a person feels like that day or night..some people prefer to drive at night others in daylight..the damn computer doesn't know the difference..even if you try to create your own sechule it won't work out because of the every day bs such as heavy traffic loading and unloading appointments break downs,,etc...something will screw up your routine and you will be forced to drive when you would normally be asleep...how is it safe to tell a person when they can or can't drive?? You don't know how that person feels or wat they are used to.
it's so frustrating. what happens when you get to a shppr/rcvr in a type spot like RI, BOSTON, or even CT and a trainee comes in after you or before you and blocks you in cause they having difficulty backing up. Or even someone who is just not as experienced Congress along and takes 20 minutes or more just to dock. meanwhile your sitting waiting for them and your 14 hour ELD clock is running out. It just ain't right.
The 14 hour clock runs regardless of paper or electronic I personally do not like the 11 and 14 hour rules because it pushes the driver to drive as fast as they can to beat the clock regardless of road conditions
Eddie Lewis If everybody had your thinking where would we be wouldn't be good for you and all of us out there because Trucking is very important for you us.
the elog has nothing to do with safety. it's all about controlling the drivers pay. and keeping track of where the driver is at all times. the government can keep an eye on you if they know were you are at with elog. without it you are in a blind spot they don't know were you are at. its all about that new world order coming into play. has nothing to do with safety . look into it the companies that already have elogs yes the driver time has cut back that means no money for the driver. now its a race against time trying to get in much miles has the driver can and that's what makes it dangerous and there are still having accedents because of it so it isn't any safer to have it than not to have it
ELD IS COMON PRACTISE IN EUROPE;;;;WELCOME TO SLAVETRUCKING;;;;AND PRICEDUMPING;;;;10hour need stop....rest or high fines,,,only for commercial trucks.....
Why can't dot compromise on the elogs. Such as when a truck has wait to be loaded, it should be marked as off duty until they leave the dock as oppose to on duty not driving because most drivers don't get paid waiting anyways. This should help them in the hours of service if there waiting time is marked off duty.
Its more of if oure in the middle of a 20mile stretch and the log goes off and wont shut up. Youre forced to stop and be off those hours in the middle of nowhere. Also the firced 30min breaks when i knownof drivers who pushed through that extra hour and lunch (marked off duty but driving) just to gain those 2 hours on the 10 hour shutdown. Technically in a 14hour shift, 2 hours are lost and another hour or so post and pre trip inspections. E-logs are tied to the trucks computer and can tell if the truck is running/idle or running/driving.
Angelo Austin That's actually breaking the law. It doesn't matter if you're in the sleeper or not or off duty, if your truck is in the dock ready to unload or being unloaded or loaded you are supposed to be on duty line 4. If you're not then you're breaking the law, no different than paper log drivers.
Maybe you need to learn log rules if you are not unloading the truck yourself you are allowed to be OFF DUTY you only have to show enough ON DUTY time to check in and dock and check out you do not have to be ON DUTY the whole time you are being unload (as long as you are not unloading it yourself) the 14 hr day still counts down because you did go ON DUTY when you drove there or woke up there but if you are in the dock more than 10 hrs you can even be in SLEEPER and get a reset . Or off 8 hrs would qualify for a 8/2 split break .
I have been driving 22 yrs. And been owner op. on ELD the last 2 yrs. I love it, leased on with Landstar, book my own loads , get detention, always booked ahead 2 - 3 loads, noone to pushing you to deliver or run illegal. Never made more money or was as well rested.
It's Me Thats because E-logs you are forced to go by the book. The log device is tied to the trucks computer and can tell if its running/idle or running/driving. youre forced to do the breaks and the lunch. Thats 2 hours lost and 120miles behind. 120x.20 is $2.40 lost daily if your that type of "super trucker". You also are forced to stop when the log runs out. If you dont, it wont shut up and its all logged even if youre in the middle of a 20 mile stretch with 10miles and the nightmare of parking to go..
i have 26 yrs driving experience,2 million miles no accident and 3 speeding tickets last one being in 95...i never had to cheat the paper logs and only once have i been shut down because hos rules....so yeah i "obviously do work in the industry"
r_topp3 only shit heads that like eld is big trucking company's and rails and eld suppliers and lazy azz drivers that think its going to increase their pay$ nope dome azz its not going to increase your pay the shippers will have to use more rails and big companies will make all their drivers drive teams your pay will be reduced azz fuck
This why I got out of the trucking industry. I wish our stupid government would just get our trucking lives. I always wanted a government member to ride along with a trucker to see for themselves what truckers have to put up with daily!
ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT ONLY ITS GREEDY COMPANIES, WE SHOULD GO ON HOURLY PAY ONCE THE TIRES STOP MOVING AND PAYED FOR EACH STOP, AND DETENTION HOURLY AFTER THE FIRST HOUR WITH NO CAP, PAYED AS LONG AS WE SIT WAITING TO GET LOADED OR UNLOADED, STOP BLAMING THE GOVT BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO BLAME THE GREED OF THE TRUCKING COMPANIES
After 23 years OTR, these ELD's are the last straw. I will be making the driver shortage +1 very soon. As for anyone thinking about getting into trucking, all I can say is---DON'T.
Electronic logs are not the problem. Hours of Service Regulations are the problem. Regardless of which logging method we use, ELD or paper, we still have to comply with the 11/14, 7/70, and 8/80 restrictions. The only advantage to running a paper log is that you can lie about what time you started that day, when/if you took your 30, how long you sat at a dock, etc. Protesting the ELD makes zero sense to me. If we were protesting the HOS regs, I'd totally be on board!
#Truckeclipse 1 hour shut down 12 noon central time October 18th. Peaceful protest on ELD and regulations. Park on shoulder do not block traffic. We as the American trucker will be heard Share this post far and wide and into Canada and beyond.
Don't care where he parked, he still poorly managed his time, it's 2017 and technology has given us lots of advances, no excuse for stupid truckers like him, we don't need them in this industry.
Why are we protesting ELDs? Wouldn't it be better to protest HOS? ELDs are just a device in the truck. It's the HOS that are creating all the problems.
Mike Stephens They're not going to change the hos so we need to protest the eld. The trucking industry Is the lifeblood of the economy and without us America stops. I don't think you understand just how many of us run paper logs and you clearly don't understand how much of a burden it's going to put on the industry as a whole when everyone is on the eld.
TRUCKER ERIK JOURNEY'S years ago, during the George W Bush administration's tenure, we went to Washington DC, and parked on Pennsylvania Avenue, and blew our air horns for 4 and a half hours, also blocked on ramps, and off ramps, it was scary that day
Lol! Retired from 23 years of OTR driving. You guys are fighting a no win battle. We were fighting before the CDL arrived on driver regulations. DOT is here for the revenue folk's and safety is their poster child. Here's the truth. They want drivers to be paid by the hour so that they can control the drivers wages earned. Electronic logs accomplished that goal. Punch in and punch out. Next thing to come is reducing hours available to drive. Welcome to the 40 hour work week driver. Just think, we were talking about this back in the 1980's when I was just a kid starting out. It's finally arrived! Imagine that!
You are an idiot. "DOT" has NOTHING to do with a drivers wage. The Department of Labor does, though, and they has declared truck driving to be UNSKILLED work. THAT is why we don't make the money we should.
billyboi57 department of labor has nothing to do with your paycheck, you do. Book or hub miles is how you get paid boss. You run good miles and make a good per mile wage you'll get a good check. I was driving for Poly Trucking @ .52 cents per hub mile and made $80,000 plus a year. I was a hard runner plus unloaded my freight for extra income when available. Same as back in the day. They are real drivers and then the steering wheel holders. Sounds like nothing has changed hand ! Again, if you ain't making the money you want then find a company that pays its drivers.
Paul Love this shit was hot talk on the CB every night. Still is after all these years brother! Guess I need to make a video and tell you guys how to make a good living out there. 23 years of living and learning out on the big road.
popsxbox Then they don't gas in there cars and trucks they don't need to go to Walmart for food theirs regulations that are good and not good if it is for money then it is no good watch after December 18 and how many Dot officer will be pulling over truck drivers make law hard to do to feed your family and steal from them besides.
I work on a barge tow boat. My dad is a trucker. I wish you guys the best of luck. If you don't fight it at your level it will spread to other transportation sectors like the Maritime industry.
It's no less unsafe than paper logs. It makes you get the sleep instead of pushing yourself over the greed of the mighty dollar. You are allowed to find a safe spot incase of spending it on a off or on ramp. There is such a thing as proper trip planning as well. No one will be pushing you, like when you are pushing/cheating your logs, taking risks, running paper. Living the dream is not running 18 hours a day, let alone 14. I do agree that truckers don't get the respect they should. It's a tough job that's not for everyone. Everything must come by a truck to get to the store, that all those spoiled, self entitled people think they deserve. They just don't want to deal with the ways and means that requires to get it there. Per capita, truck drivers are a much more safe driver than the normal civilian car if you will. Done.
Without us truckers california is fucked .count on everything you buy in stores to be jacked up to unaffordable prizes .Without us America has no sales period.
I thought this was something new. Been doin elogs for years. They worried about safety in parking on ramp. Southern CA got about 5 city's with truckstops and about 3 rest areas (break check area) in them. A good chunk of drivers can't stay at truckstop or rest areas anyway. 5000 Trucks on the road 500 "safe" parking spaces. I would protest that. With tighter regulations, we need better access to meet those regulations. .gov is something else smh
Let me explain something to you non trucker people. You make my life more miserable while I work and I will charge more. I own my own truck and my own operating authority. So I charge what I want. Lots of us do. What I hauled last year for 1,000$ will cost 1,500$ this year. And next I’ll charge 1,750$. The end user will pay at the register in higher prices.
As I see the main problem it's hour of service. It's very hard to be heard by DOT. I think when it paper log book any driver has more flexibility can add 15 or 30 min if parking lot is fool. Some people call its "cheating" but it's not cheating it doesn't affect on safety, it's just flexibility. Also mostly time I was ABLE to sleep when unload me, so I have to lie and say I was on duty because DOT required to put on duty status if loading unloading. Also traffic unpredictable: on eld I should every time cut 1 hour or more of my time to not be out of hours right on a highway. Sometimes u pass traffic trough city for 1 hour some time for three hours. And many other things that DOT doesn't want to hear US.
I support the idea that truckers need better pay, but the question pops up in my mind about what would be enough to accept the ELD? Would 25, 50, 75, 100 percent increase in pay be enough to make truckers less combative of the ELD that is coming! No pay increase comes without a cost.
I can understand your problem, the people you work for I would think have a plan to keep local drivers in compliance with the rules . But what I take away from your comment is that when needed you would sometimes go over the hours of service so you could get back to the terminal. Most of the problems will get worked out, it is the OTR drivers who used the paper logs to run over their allowed time that are complaining. I hope they fix it for you to still make money, to get back home, and stay legal. Good Luck
Chester D It comes down to simple economics How much are you, the consumer willing to pay for stuff. The more truckers are paid the more you pay. Now granted there is variance in all trade goods, hence different rates for hauling. It's a problem with many variables, Shippers are not held accountable for time delays, and sometimes it can take two shifts to get loaded. Yes true Receivers are much the same, with some taking longer. When I pulled a refrigerated van I sat for 7-12 hrs numerous times. That time is considered on duty not driving Which goes against the clock we have currently. 11hrs driving within a 14 hour timeframe With current regulations there is NO flexibility on the 14 hour rule. The projection for the cost of elds to the end user (the consumer) is roughly going to 2 billion dollars . Now, not only will this have an impact upon us. But all of America Remember we have to take a half hour break That cost you folks over 180 million dollars in the first year. A pay raise isn't the answer God bless
Thank you for your reply. I agree that prices seem to go up before you get a increase in pay, funny how that works. I'm all for a Congressional approach that would hold shippers, receivers and carriers accountable for delays in a drivers work day. Those hours that could be used for driving are often lost but at no fault of the truck driver. The problem seems to be that not enough influence is present in the Halls of Congress and that needs to be changed.
YOU DONT SAY THAT ABOUT EVERY OTHER INCREASE LIKE GAS,MILK AND RENT DO YOU? EVERYTHING KEEPS GOING UP AND YOUR'E NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THAT! IN 1980 THE PAY WAS AROUND 28 CENTS A MILE AND 27 YEARS LATER A LOT COMPANIES ONLY PAY 38 CENTS A MILE AND OUR HEALTH CARE WITH COMPANY INSURANCE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD, FUEL PRICES ARE HIGHER TOO, DIESEL COST MORE THAN GAS BUT YOUR'E NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRUCKING RECORD BREAKING PROFITS JUST OUR PAY SAD!
I will give you another reason this is bad!!!!!!!!!!!! and it is horrifying. It is to train artificial intelligence for SELF-DRIVING TRUCKS. I watch lots of technology videos and I see too Mercedes and Daimler have SELF-AUTONOMOUS TRUCKS. HORRIFYING FOR EVERYONE!!!! SPREAD THE WORD ON THIS - it is IMPORTANT.
The overall cost of this technology will be pennies compared to having a driver in the truck. No wages no insurance no continued cost of training. There's a lot of money to be saved by taking ppl out of trucks.
The truck that they delivered a load of beer with cost an extra 30,000 bucks, now that price would more than likely start going down on the assembly line, while truck prices are going up, so why would you add that much to the price of something you are going to keep for 5 years, if that. Break down, now you can't just use a grease monkey because he has to know a lot more, so the road service is going to charge a lot more. There has to be someone along with the truck, what if it breaks down in the middle of Wyoming, or do you just let it sit in the middle of the highway until someone comes along to fix it. The guy babysitting it is not going to do this for nothing, and if you require him to know how to get that truck going, he is going to make a lot more than you do. In a perfect world this would work, but it is far from perfect. Not to mention Washington just voted this down, just what we need another 3 million people out of work. But, we shall see.
In Europe, that is always the case. In the day you drive for 4.5 hours then you have to hold a 45 minute break and then you can run again for 4.5 hours after which you have to hold an 11 hour break. Two times a week you can run 10 hours and 3 times a week is enough for a 9 hour rest period. At the end of the week you have to have 45 hours of continuous pause and then start a new week. Really, it's not difficult to do with it but learn to keep life, but to learn how to calculate how far you can get to and think about pauses in advance.
I was a driver for several different companies, and a principal in another. Manual log books were commonly called "comic books" and other drivers were known to keep two or more different logs for the same time period. Honest operators were screwed by people willing to pop pills (a company owner so directed me when I was just a driver, but I refused; I was working full shifts for the MSANG during Desert Shield and Desert Storm, in addition to my civilian job). Driving for him paid $300/wk (gross, no benefits); involved sorting, loading, unloading and stacking/facing mixed loads of airfreight and ground freight; inside deliveries after hours, in unsafe areas. When you NEED income, you have no bargaining power, and nearly all employers will screw you just because they can. Electronic logs reduce cheating and make it harder for bad owners and bad managers to take unfair advantage of drivers; if the equipment was properly implemented, it would also make power-unit theft nearly impossible: the driver's license (retained) of the operator would be required to activate the system; a "hijack" button would destroy the license and activate something like an EPIRB, guiding LE to the scene. But even without the extras, electronic logging is a great idea.
Somebody needs to tell DOT that the biggest aviation _accident_ in history happened in Tenerife, when a pilot was RUSHING to get home to meet duty time requirements...and took off, in a fog, without clearance and crashed his 747 into another 747. The FAA now has "legal to start, legal to finish" rules in place to prevent this. HEAVEN FORBID that one branch of government could learn from the mistakes of another!
As a driver I DO NOT need to work 18 hour days for 15 hours,or much less, pay. I have doctored log books for as little as 10 hours pay on a bad day. On these days I work for less than minimum wage. I say bring on the electronic logs. More to life than sitting in a GD truck
Your ignorance is visible. How many drivers are driving for 36 hours straight and falling asleep at the wheel? Where did you get that from? Go back to your ignorance and lies, it's all you know.
Med 71 They to go after the trucking company's that have broke the laws and fallen asleep and killed people because of it they have a Dot # so when they go through the scale they know that company's record they are the one that need regulations do make hard for everybody
Med 71 You uneducated idiot. All truck drivers are randomly test for drugs, their are no "coked up drivers". What a Fupped imagination. Are you too scared to go outside at night too?
Truckers whining about not being able to break the law anymore. LOL!!! NEWSFLASH: The 14 hour day / 11 hour driving limit has been in place for YEEEEEEARS. All these truck drivers protesting and bitching are basically telling the public and the feds that they're long time, habitual law breakers. Many of us truck drivers have been using electronic logs for years. I don't understand why anyone would want to work beyond their 14/11 clock, anyway.
NEWSFLASH :You're a moron. Big companies trying to get rid of O/O and small companies by making ELDS mandatory, you either a company driver or just some dumb ass trying to flash your Wikipedia knowledge.
robert Samsak you're another moron. There going to be more accidents than before,simply because after waiting at the shipper for 7 hours i gotta chase fuck outta my clock.
Amen man. If you do everything legally then this shouldnt even bother you at all. All these driver are admitting they have been breaking the law. What a bunch of idiots
I am a trucker myself, I AM ALL FOR ELOGS. THIS needs to be ENFORCED IN CALIFORNIA, where there is a lot of BAD TRUCK DRIVERS THAT GIVE A BAD NAME TO THE REST OF US THAT FALLOW THE RULES. I HAVE 21 YEARS UNDER MY BELT, I am a trucker.....
This is one step ahead for legislator to legislate for big trucking companies and the entire industry to have self driving trucks. Look at the auto motive workers? It was done slowly slowly until they all lost there jobs. We are not stupid people and we know very well that this is coming. God Bless from Canada.
im a trucker..we need more pay and work less hours..only way safety will improve. dispatchers are the criminals here..dot needs to go after them..70 hr work week with no over time cause we get paid by the mile..the risk is not worth the reward..drivers need to take back control and our demands need to be met..if not..good luck while the earth turns without truck drivers..
What I find is unsafe is a boss who forces me to cheat on my logs so he can get more miles out of me. ELDs are a first step into protecting me and working a fair day's work. Unfortunately a lot of us barely see minimum wage at the end of the week, no over-time paid - so of course many don't like ELDs because they can't work extra.
I'm a former trucker. I saw the laws change to heap every overload or mechanical defect onto the drivers, and not the companies who overloaded the trucks or failed to repair them. I also noticed that the trucking companies will pay you any other way except by the hour. They steal labor from drivers. They steal their time by making them drive for free to get their next load, or by waiting hours to get loaded, and some even make them load their own trucks for free. If you are truck driving in California, either go union or go do something else. You are treated like a slave there.
I am not a trucker but I think this not right I am all for the trucker and hope they win this. THey can't make any money for being fined for everything
electronic logging has been a standard thing in the UK for years, you are also required to renew the license every 5 years or face a fine of £1000. Not that it matters trucks will be replaced by self driving vehicles soon enough anyway.
What they really need to get rid of is the block, they're telling you if you're tired you cannot pull over and take a nap 16 hours broken or altogether doesn't matter
Having run paper logs and seen dispatchers screw me by parking me for 27 hours while I waited (unpaid) for a load. And E-logs. I can tell you that regs say you have 13 hours ON-DUTY time, BUT you have another HOUR to reach a SAFE PLACE to stop. Don't think Ihave ever been anywhere (and I have driven the 48 contiguous states) where I couldn't find someplace safe to stop! Having run out a clock a few years ago during a blizzard I had to use that time (and got a verbal warning from a Nebraska State Trooper, but NOT a ticket) to get down in a truck stop rather than on an off-ramp someplace. It is call TRIP PLANNING for a reason! plan ahead how far you can get (if things change (and they always do) then change the plan as you go.
Massive??? OMG here's the problems with truckers, you'll never get enough 1. To get on the same page 2. Stick together with solidarity and not be scared. In order for a protest to work it needs to be nation wide and comprehensive enough to actually cripple, temporarily, the nation. Only then will politicians and the FMCSA will listen.
If truckers would come together and strike for a week let people do without they would take that crap out we let them treat us like this we have the power to shut this country down
The problem is the 14 hour rule, Europe has a 15 hour and Canada 16 hours work window, I have been on elogs for 2 years and the biggest problem is the 14 hour rule. Other than that I think a lot of drivers will be happy not being pushed around the clock from the employer
Place a daily cap on milage, not hours, and pay well for everything a truck driver does... EVERYTHING!!!! Take away the nation wide overtime exempt rule from the employer, and police criminal acts; performing a job in of itself needs to stop being seen as criminal activity. How to pay for all of this? Cut administration staff, management, and politics by 50% - 75%. But what would I know about anything?! I've only been in this industry for 34 years.
I agree with the electronic logging and I’ll tell you why. My job everyday is checking driver logs for a transport company in California. I’ve checked paper logs for a long time and found that a large percentage of our truckers were in fact falsifying their logs. I have seen logs that were repeatedly the same logs for two or three days. I have seen logs that were never filled out correctly no matter how often I called the drivers to get them right. Supporting documentation never matched where they said they were on their logs and oftentimes the driver was on a completely different route. I have known drivers to stop in Vegas for instance for hours for no reason other than to have good time and probably taking advantage of free drinks then get on the road and falsify their logs saying they were elsewhere. Drivers hated to hear from me because the first thing that would come out of their mouth would be “Oh shit, what have I done wrong”. They realized I WAS NOT going to put up with their lies and bullshit and would put them OOS if they were breaking the law and risk being terminated for failure to comply consistently. I can’t recall how many drivers would call and beg to be put back in service and swearing they would do what was expected of them by DOT and my company. My company would be audited by DOT and be fined upwards of $100,000 before I came on board. My drivers hated me when I started because I was clearly seeing and calling them on their bullshit. The Electronic Logging will prevent, not completely but curtail the bullshit logs. To date, 95% of my drivers don’t hear from me much anymore and some call me just to see how I’m doing and thank me for setting them straight on procedures as some were never aware or simply didn’t care. Some of you commenting have legitimate complaints but I can assure you that some want to be ‘rebels’ and want to continue their bullshit lying.
cassimir4u - For starters there is no correlation between safety and logs. None. You conveniently left out the safety record of those drivers who falsified logs. If they had good records and the drivers who had perfect log entries yet poor safety records - then the log system is totally flawed. The DOT simply must get it out of their heads that logs equate to safety. If it so damn safe then you wouldn't mind having it in your own car. BTW that day is coming - the DOT has plans to greatly expand logs to anybody and everybody connected to the supply chain - freight forwarders, dispatch, farmers, yes, farmers! Also, vehicle inspections, physicals - the works. Paperwork didn't match logs? Horrors! Let me tell you something - I don't know how many times I deliberately put false entries on logbooks to match with other documentation. Wrong times/dates/locations. Every once in awhile I got called in to the office b/c the fuel report showed impossible times so I at least told them what really happened - but when I left they were pulling their hair out having to deal with that w/o making it look like falsification, not necessarily for me but for them. Next, ELDS are highly flawed. Park under a tree - it blocks the signal, If that is you have qualcom. Start the engine - it starts logging even if its say in for repairs. BTW - ELDS are not cheat-proof. You can cheat nearly as much as paperlogs. But you must cheat to be safe. So, many times you are faced with a choice - cheat and be safe or go by the letter of the law and be dangerous. In the old days, many drivers went into a shipper late at night. I did too - take your sweet time - turn on your brights - now, that's all but ended with the 14-hr rule and ELDS logging every single nothing little thing you do. So, now we have to go in at 8am and fight traffic. Highly dangerous. I don't know how you could tell the difference between falsification and making an honest mistake. I was falsely accused of falsification once and threatened with a felony when it was a simple honest mistake. And, it presented no safety threat at all whatsoever - right or wrong - falsified or not - error or not. Let me tell you about a truck company with about 900 trucks. DOT claimed they had approx 100 instances of falsification, so they gave them a choice - $80k fine or go to ELDS. Nice - force something highly dangerous onto them. Ok it could be argued that the real problem isn't the ELDS but the law itself. Ok, I'll buy that either way its still dangerous. A break-down of the numbers - 900 pages per day - roughly 500 days since last inspection - 450,000 log pages only 100 instances of falsification. And, it could have been unrelated to driving like filling out your name/address/company/etc. 100 - is that all? Not one single word about safety but in fact during that time they had zero accidents. How bad was it afterward? Don't know b/c the DOT is too chickenshit to admit that their rules are highly dangerous and cause accidents b/c you can't get better than zero. My guess is those drivers you dealt with simply had their heads up their rear end. I know how flawed and mixed-up many drivers are - can't tell you where they're at - sometimes off by 100s of miles, can't trust one single thing they tell you, chock- full of inaccuracies, misinformation, disinformation, lies. Nevertheless, logs are highly dangerous.
Are you totally sure you favor ELDS to make your job easier - not to advance safety?
when my engine blew i said thats it next year wont be profitable and its not worth repairing. and alot of this is because the middle eastern man has messed up trucking
We have had digital tachographs in our trucks now for about 10 years or so in the UK we said the same when we went from analogue to digital don't worry guys your boss still has to pay you as long as you are not breaking no laws it's not worth getting find to make your boss more money why you pay out stick to the law guys your boss still has to pay you at the end of the week in the UK we are allowed to work three 15 hrs day and drive on a 10 hour twice a week .
If they are going regulate by the hour, then pay us by the hour. No more piece work, no more by the mile, no more by the trip, and no more percentage.
That’s right pay us all hours top pay scale for a commercial licence
Saddle Sore I'm for that my friend!
Saddle Sore, how about both, per hour and per mile!!!
about 25 to 35 dollars an hour
Sam Don Your right, but we could push for it, make an effort.
PARK IT !!!! They know when the TRUCKS STOPS, AMERICA STOPS !!!
First thing i learned about CA, when CA sneezes, the rest of the country catches a cold.
Robert Hamrick aka commiefornia
Robert Hamrick California is in need of the quake to make it slide.lol
Greg Mccumber California is the shit bud
Robert Hamrick well said
Lol not in TEXAS
Just park trucks fuck it not working for free no more
Mario Trevino if everyone could do that for 48 hours in this country people in Washington would think a little different when there pockets get hurt it can be gone if everybody plan head for it that means save there money so they didn't have be a slave and pay next bill only if that could ever happen.
Mario Trevino Remember we are the Government not the people in it our hard earn money not there's need to come together .
Ca, your state is the problem. A lot of this protest is because of outrageous regs(exhaust regs, crooked scale houses, severity of penaltys, hos, etc.)
Ca is a tester state they test all the bull shit laws here
Robert Hamrick Democrats completely ruined California with high regulations and taxes
California. And Highway Patrol will routinely Truckers in roadwork situations only to Give Them Crooked fines, I should know it happened to me and when I explain to the officer the obvious situation why was in the second to left hand lane he laughed and said it's only a ticket you'll just have to pay some money. I was coming off a one-lane road work situation that dumped me out into a middle Lane and because of that he pulled me over immediately what Crooks they are in California,
Actually similar protests are taking place all over the country the problem we're having is these dumbasses keep protesting for more time instead of better pay
You are right on the true point Mr Robert ,,DOT ,CHP, the state is so damn crooked that's what making me stop my truck and go get in other job that I don't have to get raped by this..
We should protest days before thanksgiving and the world would see how much truckers are needed when theres no Turkey on the table
Agreed
Fred Martinez .... Consider this..Our whole industry takes a vacation,,June 26 thru July 5th..Just imagine how many BBQs there would be..We don't entertain holidays,,we work thru them so the rest of the world can..Enough is Enough..We need all operators and Driver's to grow a set of Balls and Speak up,,speak up through actions,,not bullshit talk..I have not turned a wheel during this period of time for years,,,nor will I..Grow A Set
That's a good idea
Do It Quick
Hell yeah would be nice just like the gas prices jumping all over for what. Oh a plant needs maintenance right before a hurricane and prices jump all over
If they're going to regulate truck drivers in forcing them to running e logs especially owner-operators that paid for their own trucks and regulate truck drivers to do everything they need to do within 14 hours then they need to regulate for shippers and receivers to take no longer than 1 hour to load a trailer or unload a trailer. I got out of the trucking industry because of this I have ran countless sleepless nights waiting to be loaded or unloaded used to I was able to shut down and sleep when I needed but with elogs I was not allowed to do that and that is why I got out of the trucking industry and the cause of that is because shippers and receivers take up to 7 hours to load and unload a truck
Try Tyson - 12hrs on average
Alex L I've been there and hated it
Yep
I had a 100mile job that took 40 hours; 12 on shipper 1 on the road, 10 on break 1 on the road again and 16 on receiver ....I only got paid for 2 of those hrs.
Super NOVA indeed
2 day shut down. We take a lot of crap and don't get any benefits for it but burnt up fuel and missing home. Let's rally and camp out and BBQ.
duck man #word
duck man gotta jump on that owner operator man. You can go home when you want and stay there how ever long you want. I been out here for almost a month. Im heading home on Christmas eve and i will be home for 2 weeks!
used to be on e logs when i started and it was awful, if i couldnt sleep the night before , i couldnt stop for a 2 hr nap because that. 14 hr clock just kept ticking and i had to through rush hour through the big cities half sleep like that because i couldnt take a simple 2 hr nap, e logs are dangerous
Homer Montoya if you can't go through a 14 hour day with out needing a nap..1) you might not be fit to drive for a living..or 2) you might need to see a doctor, does your neck hurt too, pain in the left shoulder...you might have a problem with your heart, those are some signs, I'm not a doctor. Just saying👊🏻
Homer Montoya you can still nap. Just won't get as far or possibly load or pickup will be late. That's a whole better than crashing.
BR Outdoorz "if I couldn't sleep the night before"
Homer Montoya hey I understand what you're saying I don't think E logs are a good idea
chet Gerber Lets see how much you sleep when your house and car is getting repoed back home because you are broke because you take extra breaks.
The big trucking companies want electronic logs. This will hurt the owner operator. Every voter in CA should understand this will increase the cost of everything you buy.
No it wont and you're an idiot, clearly you aren't meant to be a trucker. Damn shame, you're an adult and can't manage an 18 hour clock, hope it passes and dumb asses like you leave this industry.
GamersEgoTV it's a 14 hr day..just sayin. You don't know much about what you comment on anyway. Just stick to playing games. Comment on games.😅
Why the hell would any trucking company want ELD knowing well the driver can be shut down 1 hour before his destination because of some inconvenience on his route. And now he's late. And possibly gonna have to change his next pick up schedule.
Ismael Carrillo You can't be that stupid, companies use ELD's as it's easy to tell the drivers are legally running instantly.
It's a day you stupid jack ass, 14 hours then add that 10 hour break and what do you get you stupid shit? You're prime example of trying to be so dumb that you instead do stupid things, nice fail though idiot.
Funny thing there is more regulation for truck drivers than for airplane pilots
That’s because more people die on the road each year than die in plan accidents! Truckers are dealing with more people each day on crowded roads! More possibles for accidents.
Ricky M what about other professions
Dr Sin, I’m a student and right now I’m a waiter.
But the rates were deregulated
What? Are you high? Professional pilots are more regulated and scrutinized than truckers. The licensing process is longer, more expensive, and more formalized, the levels of what type of plane you are licensed to fly are more graduated, your experience based on flight hours is more thoroughly documented, your HOS are much stricter enforced, and, to top it off, a commercial pilot has to hang it up at age 65.
Funny thing is you have no idea what you are talking about.
It's so nice to see the local news more concerned about slowing down traffic than trucker safety.
you want people to listen? boycott the tampon factories lol
Now that's hillarias. Thank you for the good laugh I had brother.
😯🤭
If you wanna protest and get there attention out there the protest should be don’t deliver and loads or operate your truck. Truck protestors are protesting but not making any money and burning fuel for nothing just don’t drive period.
Big E if your worried about burning few gallons of fuel to make a point then you don't understand what it's all about. You must be a company driver that can't do anything unless your told how to do it.
Lobo Ramirez I'm a rookie driver 2months and i jumped straight into owner operator lol. I believe that if people would simply stop working for an entire week, they would get there point across. But the majority of the truckers have to pitch in. Im afraid that that's easier said then done. As long as there are people willing to bust their ass for low cents per mile, then we have a huge problem.
YOUR'E RIGHT MIGUEL, BUT TRUCKERS ARE EITHER STUPID OR JUST COWARDS, AND TO MANY OF THEM ARE JUST BROWN NOSERS TO STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER. THEY CANT SEE IF ONE GETS MORE PAY WE ALL DO
Antoine Finch exactly. A lot of truckers are a bunch of cowards. Constantly letting the government fuck with them all the time. Truckers have more power then they realize. But they are too busy kissing ass and throwing each other under the bus. As long as we have a lot of guys thinking they balling by making around 30cpm and guys kissing ass, there will never be a chance to get everyone united. If most of the trucker decide to not operate there trucks for a week, i would join them as wel
The only legit gripe I can see is not being off duty while waiting at shippers/loading docks. That is time the drivers arent driving. Hence not on the 14 hour clock. Im not working if im not getting paid. Seems like common sense to me. Then again, where does common sense fit in todays world.
ironhorse127 say you start work at 0600 and arrive at the shipper/reciever at 0800. You leave that shipper/reciever at 1700 (5p.m.) and your 14 hr clock ends at 2000(8p.m.). You sat all day and waited for free. Now factor in driving during rush hour traffic and that you get paid by the mile and you only had a grand total of 5 working hours you actually earned some money for. We used to could log off duty and/or sleeper birth for 8 hrs and have a full 10 hours to drive after getting loaded/unloaded and we didn't have a 14 hr clock to race against. The 14hr clock once started doesn't stop unless you get a full 10 hr break period. Once loaded/unloaded most shippers/recievers want you off their property pronto, so even if your close to a 10hr break, just driving a couple of blocks down the road to finish your break puts you driving again and you have to start all over again on your 10 hr break.
Double Nickle after 2 hours GET DETENTION!!! That's what it's for..when one sits at a customer for hours on end. Some companies charge detention after 1 hour. We were picking up at Heniz , Fremont Ohio, few years back, and those folks move extremely sloooow. Sometimes we received 5-6 hrs detention at 50.00 p/hr. We all will see how things after a period of time after everyone is on E-Logs.
You can be off duty while at the shipper. But you must truly be off duty. The company I work for is 98% no touch. I very seldom have to be on duty at shipper/consignee
If your in care custody and control of your truck.. your on duty. It’s not rocket science. Sitting a receivers dock for 12 hours waiting to be unloaded it’s still 12 hours on duty. And don’t forget your 30 minute safety break with your first 8 hours. God forbid this industry actually has a lunch break standard like the rest of the workforce.
Pennsylvania Dual Sport no. Sitting in your truck isn't "on-duty" I believe the HOS allows 2 hours off duty in the driver seat while parked. After that you should sit your ass in the sleeper. Can't be on duty back there.
We need every driver to park for 3 days all over the U.S. and bring the country to there knees
Never happen, I started driving in 1980 and every time there was a two day strike to show everybody they couldn't live without trucks very few drivers shutdown.
Why not 30days
htsa htsa I am thinking that the Elogs will do that when the drivers have to stop driving after 14 hours. There's gonna be a lot of late loads food medical supplies gasoline. Better stock up America and fill up your gas tanks and get everything you need.
yes lets do it now. make it 2 weeks. the fed gov needs a god spanking. the fed gov also needs comon sense
not going to lie its a pain racing that clock, especially if you have chicken coops on your route.
hid man This is the biggest joke. Office Kids telling workers what’s safe. Never asking a drivers way of thinking It’s the real world VS morons in Government
I think California can shove it
Steven Clutz its a federal mandate
Evan Evers I meant that in general... I'm well aware it's a federal mandate 26 years on the road .. I follow everything in my industry closely..
Steven Clutz they have Maxine Water's that a loan should be enough to let you know that California is FUCKED-UP
Steven Clutz Fuck California! Thats where all the bullshit starts in this country! Shit starts at the Pacific ocean and rides the breeze all the way to the Atlantic. Can't wait til California falls off the edge of this country and sinks!
Too many regulations in California.....
Keep up your protests, it must be why I'm getting better miles lately! Thanks
None of these anti-trucker posters have ever worked a 14 hour day.
My company has now started the electronic logbook system two weeks ago this has made my job extremely stressful to get in and off the clock within regulations and fighting traffic still trying to get same amount of work done this really sucks
The bottom line is that these regulations in all actuality, prevent drivers from being as safe as possible by not allowing them to drive in a 24 hr period. The Times that it is safest and best for all parties involved. Which does include the motoring public.
More truckers are found in rush hour traffic because it's not our choice to be there, but the choices of those who are not involved physically but lawfully. SIMPLY PUT. THESE REGULATIONS HAVE PUT MORE PEOPLE IN DANGER. ESPECIALLY TRUCK DRIVERS.
The #1 thing that ruined trucking. Is foreigners
The male news caster asked, “If the bill is meant to prevent drivers from working EXTRA UNPAID hours, why are so many truck drivers against it?”
For those that DON’T know: they AREN’T unpaid. And the simple answer is that they AREN’T extra either. This ALL comes down to drivers wanting to put in, what we consider a “good days work”, in the safest possible way. The ELDs are too rigid in their programming to allow for efficient use of time. However, the real solution involves an overhaul of the Hours of Service rules.
My worst complaint is that the E log mandates when you can or can't drive.. it doesn't know what you as a person feels like that day or night..some people prefer to drive at night others in daylight..the damn computer doesn't know the difference..even if you try to create your own sechule it won't work out because of the every day bs such as heavy traffic loading and unloading appointments break downs,,etc...something will screw up your routine and you will be forced to drive when you would normally be asleep...how is it safe to tell a person when they can or can't drive?? You don't know how that person feels or wat they are used to.
John spencer
Now THAT is a logical argument! Well said, and I totally agree. ..
it's so frustrating. what happens when you get to a shppr/rcvr in a type spot like RI, BOSTON, or even CT and a trainee comes in after you or before you and blocks you in cause they having difficulty backing up. Or even someone who is just not as experienced Congress along and takes 20 minutes or more just to dock. meanwhile your sitting waiting for them and your 14 hour ELD clock is running out. It just ain't right.
The 14 hour clock runs regardless of paper or electronic I personally do not like the 11 and 14 hour rules because it pushes the driver to drive as fast as they can to beat the clock regardless of road conditions
I don't care... my last day is December 17th. 20 years and 43 years old. Going to draw my pension and start my own business. Adios trucking
Eddie Lewis am over 50 can i retire like you plz let me know am still driving and not happy.
Best of luck to ya man
Hope the new venture works well
Kinda leanin' that way myself
Cya on the flip side brother
too early to draw your pension
Eddie Lewis If everybody had your thinking where would we be wouldn't be good for you and all of us out there because Trucking is very important for you us.
Eddie Lewis country
Need to change the 14 hours rule because many drivers wait to load 4 and 5 hours
the elog has nothing to do with safety. it's all about controlling the drivers pay. and keeping track of where the driver is at all times. the government can keep an eye on you if they know were you are at with elog. without it you are in a blind spot they don't know were you are at. its all about that new world order coming into play. has nothing to do with safety . look into it the companies that already have elogs yes the driver time has cut back that means no money for the driver. now its a race against time trying to get in much miles has the driver can and that's what makes it dangerous and there are still having accedents because of it so it isn't any safer to have it than not to have it
ELD IS COMON PRACTISE IN EUROPE;;;;WELCOME TO SLAVETRUCKING;;;;AND PRICEDUMPING;;;;10hour need stop....rest or high fines,,,only for commercial trucks.....
Wait till they start fitting digital tachographs and speed limiters like Europe! Then they start handing out fines for the smallest infringement.
THIS IS SO STRANGE! Normally these trucks are doing 75mph through the valley. We can actually see the ad's on the trucks now!
Corruption on top of corruption
Why can't dot compromise on the elogs. Such as when a truck has wait to be loaded, it should be marked as off duty until they leave the dock as oppose to on duty not driving because most drivers don't get paid waiting anyways. This should help them in the hours of service if there waiting time is marked off duty.
Its more of if oure in the middle of a 20mile stretch and the log goes off and wont shut up. Youre forced to stop and be off those hours in the middle of nowhere. Also the firced 30min breaks when i knownof drivers who pushed through that extra hour and lunch (marked off duty but driving) just to gain those 2 hours on the 10 hour shutdown. Technically in a 14hour shift, 2 hours are lost and another hour or so post and pre trip inspections. E-logs are tied to the trucks computer and can tell if the truck is running/idle or running/driving.
system soundbar that's not dot that's your company... The company I work, they are ok with us going off duty to get loaded
system soundbar like it used to be
Angelo Austin That's actually breaking the law. It doesn't matter if you're in the sleeper or not or off duty, if your truck is in the dock ready to unload or being unloaded or loaded you are supposed to be on duty line 4. If you're not then you're breaking the law, no different than paper log drivers.
Maybe you need to learn log rules if you are not unloading the truck yourself you are allowed to be OFF DUTY you only have to show enough ON DUTY time to check in and dock and check out you do not have to be ON DUTY the whole time you are being unload (as long as you are not unloading it yourself) the 14 hr day still counts down because you did go ON DUTY when you drove there or woke up there but if you are in the dock more than 10 hrs you can even be in SLEEPER and get a reset . Or off 8 hrs would qualify for a 8/2 split break .
I have been driving 22 yrs. And been owner op. on ELD the last 2 yrs. I love it, leased on with Landstar, book my own loads , get detention, always booked ahead 2 - 3 loads, noone to pushing you to deliver or run illegal. Never made more money or was as well rested.
The minimum speed is 40mph on the highway , drive 40mph, do it in rotating packs in rush hour as much as possible for as long as it takes.
If you really want to get the point across shut em down for 2 days.
Alexander Miller why not 30days
Most truckers said it is about pay
It's Me Thats because E-logs you are forced to go by the book. The log device is tied to the trucks computer and can tell if its running/idle or running/driving. youre forced to do the breaks and the lunch. Thats 2 hours lost and 120miles behind. 120x.20 is $2.40 lost daily if your that type of "super trucker". You also are forced to stop when the log runs out. If you dont, it wont shut up and its all logged even if youre in the middle of a 20 mile stretch with 10miles and the nightmare of parking to go..
Dude, you need to work on your math. That would be $24. Also, who the hell is paying .20 cents a mile? Fuck that shit.
Their setting the stage for automation, self driving trucks. Smh
with ELD's I WILL drive faster and WILL have to continue 2 drive if fatigued! tick toc tick toc!
only drivers hating elds are the paper log cheaters and
the dishonest
I've got 30 seconds tell me all you know about the trucking business!
i have 26 yrs driving experience,2 million miles no accident and 3 speeding tickets last one being in 95...i never had to cheat the paper logs and only once have i been shut down because hos rules....so yeah i "obviously do work in the industry"
leomikie boom
r_topp3 only shit heads that like eld is big trucking company's and rails and eld suppliers and lazy azz drivers that think its going to increase their pay$ nope dome azz its not going to increase your pay the shippers will have to use more rails and big companies will make all their drivers drive teams your pay will be reduced azz fuck
This why I got out of the trucking industry. I wish our stupid government would just get our trucking lives. I always wanted a government member to ride along with a trucker to see for themselves what truckers have to put up with daily!
ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT ONLY ITS GREEDY COMPANIES, WE SHOULD GO ON HOURLY PAY ONCE THE TIRES STOP MOVING AND PAYED FOR EACH STOP, AND DETENTION HOURLY AFTER THE FIRST HOUR WITH NO CAP, PAYED AS LONG AS WE SIT WAITING TO GET LOADED OR UNLOADED, STOP BLAMING THE GOVT BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO BLAME THE GREED OF THE TRUCKING COMPANIES
After 23 years OTR, these ELD's are the last straw. I will be making the driver shortage +1 very soon. As for anyone thinking about getting into trucking, all I can say is---DON'T.
Electronic logs are not the problem. Hours of Service Regulations are the problem. Regardless of which logging method we use, ELD or paper, we still have to comply with the 11/14, 7/70, and 8/80 restrictions. The only advantage to running a paper log is that you can lie about what time you started that day, when/if you took your 30, how long you sat at a dock, etc.
Protesting the ELD makes zero sense to me. If we were protesting the HOS regs, I'd totally be on board!
#Truckeclipse
1 hour shut down 12 noon central time October 18th. Peaceful protest on ELD and regulations.
Park on shoulder do not block traffic.
We as the American trucker will be heard
Share this post far and wide and into Canada and beyond.
GamersEgoTV
You didn't read the part where he said park on shoulder?
Don't care where he parked, he still poorly managed his time, it's 2017 and technology has given us lots of advances, no excuse for stupid truckers like him, we don't need them in this industry.
Why are we protesting ELDs? Wouldn't it be better to protest HOS? ELDs are just a device in the truck. It's the HOS that are creating all the problems.
Mike Stephens They're not going to change the hos so we need to protest the eld. The trucking industry Is the lifeblood of the economy and without us America stops. I don't think you understand just how many of us run paper logs and you clearly don't understand how much of a burden it's going to put on the industry as a whole when everyone is on the eld.
TRUCKER ERIK JOURNEY'S years ago, during the George W Bush administration's tenure, we went to Washington DC, and parked on Pennsylvania Avenue, and blew our air horns for 4 and a half hours, also blocked on ramps, and off ramps, it was scary that day
Lol! Retired from 23 years of OTR driving. You guys are fighting a no win battle. We were fighting before the CDL arrived on driver regulations. DOT is here for the revenue folk's and safety is their poster child. Here's the truth. They want drivers to be paid by the hour so that they can control the drivers wages earned. Electronic logs accomplished that goal. Punch in and punch out. Next thing to come is reducing hours available to drive. Welcome to the 40 hour work week driver. Just think, we were talking about this back in the 1980's when I was just a kid starting out. It's finally arrived! Imagine that!
popsxbox WOW?!!!!! YALL KNEW THIS BACK IN THE 80s?!!!!! DAMN
You are an idiot. "DOT" has NOTHING to do with a drivers wage. The Department of Labor does, though, and they has declared truck driving to be UNSKILLED work. THAT is why we don't make the money we should.
billyboi57 department of labor has nothing to do with your paycheck, you do. Book or hub miles is how you get paid boss. You run good miles and make a good per mile wage you'll get a good check. I was driving for Poly Trucking @ .52 cents per hub mile and made $80,000 plus a year. I was a hard runner plus unloaded my freight for extra income when available. Same as back in the day. They are real drivers and then the steering wheel holders. Sounds like nothing has changed hand ! Again, if you ain't making the money you want then find a company that pays its drivers.
Paul Love this shit was hot talk on the CB every night. Still is after all these years brother! Guess I need to make a video and tell you guys how to make a good living out there. 23 years of living and learning out on the big road.
popsxbox Then they don't gas in there cars and trucks they don't need to go to Walmart for food theirs regulations that are good and not good if it is for money then it is no good watch after December 18 and how many Dot officer will be pulling over truck drivers make law hard to do to feed your family and steal from them besides.
In New York City I drive 10 hours uber and I make about $300 a day they get charged per minute and per mile
I work on a barge tow boat. My dad is a trucker. I wish you guys the best of luck. If you don't fight it at your level it will spread to other transportation sectors like the Maritime industry.
It's no less unsafe than paper logs. It makes you get the sleep instead of pushing yourself over the greed of the mighty dollar. You are allowed to find a safe spot incase of spending it on a off or on ramp. There is such a thing as proper trip planning as well. No one will be pushing you, like when you are pushing/cheating your logs, taking risks, running paper. Living the dream is not running 18 hours a day, let alone 14. I do agree that truckers don't get the respect they should. It's a tough job that's not for everyone. Everything must come by a truck to get to the store, that all those spoiled, self entitled people think they deserve. They just don't want to deal with the ways and means that requires to get it there. Per capita, truck drivers are a much more safe driver than the normal civilian car if you will. Done.
litterally didnt watch the video and it shows. shut the fuck up
Without us truckers california is fucked .count on everything you buy in stores to be jacked up to unaffordable prizes .Without us America has no sales period.
I run local with one of these elogs in my truck and I can tell you it's like a time bomb that you race from the time you log in i
I thought this was something new. Been doin elogs for years. They worried about safety in parking on ramp. Southern CA got about 5 city's with truckstops and about 3 rest areas (break check area) in them. A good chunk of drivers can't stay at truckstop or rest areas anyway. 5000 Trucks on the road 500 "safe" parking spaces. I would protest that. With tighter regulations, we need better access to meet those regulations. .gov is something else smh
It is no safe.. i use electronic load book, and it is no safe and we lost time and money..and the company still pay the same...
Let me explain something to you non trucker people.
You make my life more miserable while I work and I will charge more.
I own my own truck and my own operating authority. So I charge what I want. Lots of us do.
What I hauled last year for 1,000$ will cost 1,500$ this year. And next I’ll charge 1,750$.
The end user will pay at the register in higher prices.
Sounds good but in reality you charge what shippers are willing to pay somebody will always haul for less.
You'll pay more too, dill weed.
Gcal1956 Because someone doing for less everyone charge some price if not get fined.
Gcal1956 same
SO HIGH PRICES DONT STOP BIG CORPORATIONS I PHONES ALMOST 1000.00 REALLY WE NEED TO GET GREEDY TOO EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA IS
Umm, log books are a timer too...if you do it legally. I like having an ELD in the truck. It keeps me and my fleet manager honest.
As I see the main problem it's hour of service. It's very hard to be heard by DOT. I think when it paper log book any driver has
more flexibility can add 15 or 30 min if parking lot is fool. Some people call its "cheating" but it's not cheating it doesn't affect on safety, it's just flexibility.
Also mostly time I was ABLE to sleep when unload me, so I have to lie and say I was on duty because DOT required to put on duty status if loading unloading.
Also traffic unpredictable: on eld I should every time cut 1 hour or more of my time to not be out of hours right on a highway. Sometimes u pass traffic trough city for 1 hour some time for three hours.
And many other things that DOT doesn't want to hear US.
I support the idea that truckers need better pay, but the question pops up in my mind about what would be enough to accept the ELD? Would 25, 50, 75, 100 percent increase in pay be enough to make truckers less combative of the ELD that is coming! No pay increase comes without a cost.
it's not about the money. foe me its about getting stuck in bfe without a sleeper and nowhere to park.
I can understand your problem, the people you work for I would think have a plan to keep local drivers in compliance with the rules . But what I take away from your comment is that when needed you would sometimes go over the hours of service so you could get back to the terminal. Most of the problems will get worked out, it is the OTR drivers who used the paper logs to run over their allowed time that are complaining. I hope they fix it for you to still make money, to get back home, and stay legal.
Good Luck
Chester D
It comes down to simple economics
How much are you, the consumer willing to pay for stuff.
The more truckers are paid the more you pay.
Now granted there is variance in all trade goods, hence different rates for hauling.
It's a problem with many variables,
Shippers are not held accountable for time delays, and sometimes it can take two shifts to get loaded. Yes true
Receivers are much the same, with some taking longer.
When I pulled a refrigerated van I sat for 7-12 hrs numerous times.
That time is considered on duty not driving
Which goes against the clock we have currently.
11hrs driving within a 14 hour timeframe
With current regulations there is NO flexibility on the 14 hour rule.
The projection for the cost of elds to the end user (the consumer) is roughly going to 2 billion dollars .
Now, not only will this have an impact upon us.
But all of America
Remember we have to take a half hour break
That cost you folks over 180 million dollars in the first year.
A pay raise isn't the answer
God bless
Thank you for your reply. I agree that prices seem to go up before you get a increase in pay, funny how that works. I'm all for a Congressional approach that would hold shippers, receivers and carriers accountable for delays in a drivers work day. Those hours that could be used for driving are often lost but at no fault of the truck driver. The problem seems to be that not enough influence is present in the Halls of Congress and that needs to be changed.
YOU DONT SAY THAT ABOUT EVERY OTHER INCREASE LIKE GAS,MILK AND RENT DO YOU? EVERYTHING KEEPS GOING UP AND YOUR'E NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THAT! IN 1980 THE PAY WAS AROUND 28 CENTS A MILE AND 27 YEARS LATER A LOT COMPANIES ONLY PAY 38 CENTS A MILE AND OUR HEALTH CARE WITH COMPANY INSURANCE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD, FUEL PRICES ARE HIGHER TOO, DIESEL COST MORE THAN GAS BUT YOUR'E NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRUCKING RECORD BREAKING PROFITS JUST OUR PAY SAD!
I will give you another reason this is bad!!!!!!!!!!!! and it is horrifying. It is to train artificial intelligence for SELF-DRIVING TRUCKS. I watch lots of technology videos and I see too Mercedes and Daimler have SELF-AUTONOMOUS TRUCKS. HORRIFYING FOR EVERYONE!!!! SPREAD THE WORD ON THIS - it is IMPORTANT.
You haven't given this much thought, it won't happen.
Autonomous trucks are on the way. And will be here taking jobs from ppl. We need to figure out how to work with them
Technology cost big bucks, you don't make big bucks, so why would they replace you with a system that will cost much more?
The overall cost of this technology will be pennies compared to having a driver in the truck. No wages no insurance no continued cost of training. There's a lot of money to be saved by taking ppl out of trucks.
The truck that they delivered a load of beer with cost an extra 30,000 bucks, now that price would more than likely start going down on the assembly line, while truck prices are going up, so why would you add that much to the price of something you are going to keep for 5 years, if that. Break down, now you can't just use a grease monkey because he has to know a lot more, so the road service is going to charge a lot more. There has to be someone along with the truck, what if it breaks down in the middle of Wyoming, or do you just let it sit in the middle of the highway until someone comes along to fix it. The guy babysitting it is not going to do this for nothing, and if you require him to know how to get that truck going, he is going to make a lot more than you do. In a perfect world this would work, but it is far from perfect. Not to mention Washington just voted this down, just what we need another 3 million people out of work. But, we shall see.
In Europe, that is always the case.
In the day you drive for 4.5 hours then you have to hold a 45 minute break and then you can run again for 4.5 hours after which you have to hold an 11 hour break.
Two times a week you can run 10 hours and 3 times a week is enough for a 9 hour rest period.
At the end of the week you have to have 45 hours of continuous pause and then start a new week.
Really, it's not difficult to do with it but learn to keep life, but to learn how to calculate how far you can get to and think about pauses in advance.
I was a driver for several different companies, and a principal in another. Manual log books were commonly called "comic books" and other drivers were known to keep two or more different logs for the same time period. Honest operators were screwed by people willing to pop pills (a company owner so directed me when I was just a driver, but I refused; I was working full shifts for the MSANG during Desert Shield and Desert Storm, in addition to my civilian job). Driving for him paid $300/wk (gross, no benefits); involved sorting, loading, unloading and stacking/facing mixed loads of airfreight and ground freight; inside deliveries after hours, in unsafe areas. When you NEED income, you have no bargaining power, and nearly all employers will screw you just because they can. Electronic logs reduce cheating and make it harder for bad owners and bad managers to take unfair advantage of drivers; if the equipment was properly implemented, it would also make power-unit theft nearly impossible: the driver's license (retained) of the operator would be required to activate the system; a "hijack" button would destroy the license and activate something like an EPIRB, guiding LE to the scene. But even without the extras, electronic logging is a great idea.
UberFreight is behind this...they're about to take over soon. Driverless trucking lol
Freedom of speech
Somebody needs to tell DOT that the biggest aviation _accident_ in history happened in Tenerife, when a pilot was RUSHING to get home to meet duty time requirements...and took off, in a fog, without clearance and crashed his 747 into another 747.
The FAA now has "legal to start, legal to finish" rules in place to prevent this. HEAVEN FORBID that one branch of government could learn from the mistakes of another!
As a driver I DO NOT need to work 18 hour days for 15 hours,or much less, pay. I have doctored log books for as little as 10 hours pay on a bad day. On these days I work for less than minimum wage. I say bring on the electronic logs. More to life than sitting in a GD truck
I like this law. It keeps these coked up driver off the road from driving 36 hrs straight an falling asleep at the wheel and killing innocent drivers.
Your ignorance is visible. How many drivers are driving for 36 hours straight and falling asleep at the wheel? Where did you get that from? Go back to your ignorance and lies, it's all you know.
Med 71 They to go after the trucking company's that have broke the laws and fallen asleep and killed people because of it they have a Dot # so when they go through the scale they know that company's record they are the one that need regulations do make hard for everybody
Med 7know there record so why make hard for Trucking company's that have a good record with no ancients everybody should pay
Med 71 You uneducated idiot. All truck drivers are randomly test for drugs, their are no "coked up drivers". What a Fupped imagination. Are you too scared to go outside at night too?
Ron Dye you are so so wrong.
Truckers whining about not being able to break the law anymore. LOL!!!
NEWSFLASH: The 14 hour day / 11 hour driving limit has been in place for YEEEEEEARS. All these truck drivers protesting and bitching are basically telling the public and the feds that they're long time, habitual law breakers. Many of us truck drivers have been using electronic logs for years. I don't understand why anyone would want to work beyond their 14/11 clock, anyway.
Carlos Clivilles that is exactly what I'm saying less accidents!!!!! If you're a good truck driver they shouldn't even bother you
NEWSFLASH :You're a moron.
Big companies trying to get rid of O/O and small companies by making ELDS mandatory, you either a company driver or just some dumb ass trying to flash your Wikipedia knowledge.
robert Samsak you're another moron. There going to be more accidents than before,simply because after waiting at the shipper for 7 hours i gotta chase fuck outta my clock.
Amen man. If you do everything legally then this shouldnt even bother you at all. All these driver are admitting they have been breaking the law. What a bunch of idiots
That is my stance as well.The laws are not changing. just cant cheat.
I am a trucker myself, I AM ALL FOR ELOGS. THIS needs to be ENFORCED IN CALIFORNIA, where there is a lot of BAD TRUCK DRIVERS THAT GIVE A BAD NAME TO THE REST OF US THAT FALLOW THE RULES.
I HAVE 21 YEARS UNDER MY BELT, I am a trucker.....
This is one step ahead for legislator to legislate for big trucking companies and the entire industry to have self driving trucks. Look at the auto motive workers? It was done slowly slowly until they all lost there jobs. We are not stupid people and we know very well that this is coming. God Bless from Canada.
Not a trucker so I'm confused. Are these e-logs electronic versions of the paper logs used for decades? If not what's the difference?
shut dowm for 1 week and this country will cry....truckers have the power to make make it happen
im a trucker..we need more pay and work less hours..only way safety will improve. dispatchers are the criminals here..dot needs to go after them..70 hr work week with no over time cause we get paid by the mile..the risk is not worth the reward..drivers need to take back control and our demands need to be met..if not..good luck while the earth turns without truck drivers..
What I find is unsafe is a boss who forces me to cheat on my logs so he can get more miles out of me.
ELDs are a first step into protecting me and working a fair day's work.
Unfortunately a lot of us barely see minimum wage at the end of the week, no over-time paid - so of course many don't like ELDs because they can't work extra.
I'm a former trucker. I saw the laws change to heap every overload or mechanical defect onto the drivers, and not the companies who overloaded the trucks or failed to repair them. I also noticed that the trucking companies will pay you any other way except by the hour. They steal labor from drivers. They steal their time by making them drive for free to get their next load, or by waiting hours to get loaded, and some even make them load their own trucks for free. If you are truck driving in California, either go union or go do something else. You are treated like a slave there.
I am not a trucker but I think this not right I am all for the trucker and hope they win this. THey can't make any money for being
fined for everything
electronic logging has been a standard thing in the UK for years, you are also required to renew the license every 5 years or face a fine of £1000. Not that it matters trucks will be replaced by self driving vehicles soon enough anyway.
What they really need to get rid of is the block, they're telling you if you're tired you cannot pull over and take a nap 16 hours broken or altogether doesn't matter
NO MATTER WHAT, THIS WILL MAKE PRICES GO WAY UP FOR EVERYONE AND THAT IS A FACT ON EVERYTHING!!!
The problem isn't the devices, it's the rules that are applied using the devices.
Having run paper logs and seen dispatchers screw me by parking me for 27 hours while I waited (unpaid) for a load. And E-logs. I can tell you that regs say you have 13 hours ON-DUTY time, BUT you have another HOUR to reach a SAFE PLACE to stop. Don't think Ihave ever been anywhere (and I have driven the 48 contiguous states) where I couldn't find someplace safe to stop! Having run out a clock a few years ago during a blizzard I had to use that time (and got a verbal warning from a Nebraska State Trooper, but NOT a ticket) to get down in a truck stop rather than on an off-ramp someplace. It is call TRIP PLANNING for a reason! plan ahead how far you can get (if things change (and they always do) then change the plan as you go.
Massive??? OMG here's the problems with truckers, you'll never get enough 1. To get on the same page 2. Stick together with solidarity and not be scared. In order for a protest to work it needs to be nation wide and comprehensive enough to actually cripple, temporarily, the nation. Only then will politicians and the FMCSA will listen.
Pros & Cons
65%- money
35% saftey
Does anyone know what the average pay is, in Texas, by the mile?
If truckers would come together and strike for a week let people do without they would take that crap out we let them treat us like this we have the power to shut this country down
I love ELD I've been driving for twenty years
I loved ELD didn't have waste time with paper logs anymore -- retired
Don't mess with the Duck..... CONVOY.....FTELB....Keep on Truckin...
All their jobs days are numbered anyway with self driving trucks. You won't see self driving trucks protesting.
The problem is the 14 hour rule, Europe has a 15 hour and Canada 16 hours work window, I have been on elogs for 2 years and the biggest problem is the 14 hour rule. Other than that I think a lot of drivers will be happy not being pushed around the clock from the employer
I have been shut down protesting sense sep.23rd!!!!
Place a daily cap on milage, not hours, and pay well for everything a truck driver does... EVERYTHING!!!! Take away the nation wide overtime exempt rule from the employer, and police criminal acts; performing a job in of itself needs to stop being seen as criminal activity. How to pay for all of this? Cut administration staff, management, and politics by 50% - 75%. But what would I know about anything?! I've only been in this industry for 34 years.
I agree with the electronic logging and I’ll tell you why. My job everyday is checking driver logs for a transport company in California. I’ve checked paper logs for a long time and found that a large percentage of our truckers were in fact falsifying their logs. I have seen logs that were repeatedly the same logs for two or three days. I have seen logs that were never filled out correctly no matter how often I called the drivers to get them right. Supporting documentation never matched where they said they were on their logs and oftentimes the driver was on a completely different route.
I have known drivers to stop in Vegas for instance for hours for no reason other than to have good time and probably taking advantage of free drinks then get on the road and falsify their logs saying they were elsewhere.
Drivers hated to hear from me because the first thing that would come out of their mouth would be “Oh shit, what have I done wrong”. They realized I WAS NOT going to put up with their lies and bullshit and would put them OOS if they were breaking the law and risk being terminated for failure to comply consistently. I can’t recall how many drivers would call and beg to be put back in service and swearing they would do what was expected of them by DOT and my company. My company would be audited by DOT and be fined upwards of $100,000 before I came on board. My drivers hated me when I started because I was clearly seeing and calling them on their bullshit.
The Electronic Logging will prevent, not completely but curtail the bullshit logs.
To date, 95% of my drivers don’t hear from me much anymore and some call me just to see how I’m doing and thank me for setting them straight on procedures as some were never aware or simply didn’t care.
Some of you commenting have legitimate complaints but I can assure you that some want to be ‘rebels’ and want to continue their bullshit lying.
cassimir4u - For starters there is no correlation between safety and logs. None. You conveniently left out the safety record of those drivers who falsified logs. If they had good records and the drivers who had perfect log entries yet poor safety
records - then the log system is totally flawed. The DOT simply must get it out of
their heads that logs equate to safety. If it so damn safe then you wouldn't mind
having it in your own car. BTW that day is coming - the DOT has plans to greatly
expand logs to anybody and everybody connected to the supply chain - freight
forwarders, dispatch, farmers, yes, farmers! Also, vehicle inspections, physicals -
the works.
Paperwork didn't match logs? Horrors! Let me tell you something - I don't know
how many times I deliberately put false entries on logbooks to match with other
documentation. Wrong times/dates/locations. Every once in awhile I got called in
to the office b/c the fuel report showed impossible times so I at least told them
what really happened - but when I left they were pulling their hair out having to
deal with that w/o making it look like falsification, not necessarily for me but for
them.
Next, ELDS are highly flawed. Park under a tree - it blocks the signal, If that is you
have qualcom. Start the engine - it starts logging even if its say in for repairs.
BTW - ELDS are not cheat-proof. You can cheat nearly as much as paperlogs. But
you must cheat to be safe. So, many times you are faced with a choice - cheat and be safe or go by the letter of the law and be dangerous. In the old days, many
drivers went into a shipper late at night. I did too - take your sweet time - turn on
your brights - now, that's all but ended with the 14-hr rule and ELDS logging every
single nothing little thing you do. So, now we have to go in at 8am and fight traffic. Highly dangerous.
I don't know how you could tell the difference between falsification and making an
honest mistake. I was falsely accused of falsification once and threatened with a felony when it was a simple honest mistake. And, it presented no safety threat at all whatsoever - right or wrong - falsified or not - error or not.
Let me tell you about a truck company with about 900 trucks. DOT claimed they
had approx 100 instances of falsification, so they gave them a choice - $80k fine
or go to ELDS. Nice - force something highly dangerous onto them. Ok it could be
argued that the real problem isn't the ELDS but the law itself. Ok, I'll buy that either way its still dangerous. A break-down of the numbers - 900 pages per day -
roughly 500 days since last inspection - 450,000 log pages only 100 instances of
falsification. And, it could have been unrelated to driving like filling out your
name/address/company/etc. 100 - is that all? Not one single word about safety
but in fact during that time they had zero accidents. How bad was it afterward?
Don't know b/c the DOT is too chickenshit to admit that their
rules are highly dangerous and cause accidents b/c you can't get better than zero.
My guess is those drivers you dealt with simply had their heads up their rear end.
I know how flawed and mixed-up many drivers are - can't tell you where they're at
- sometimes off by 100s of miles, can't trust one single thing they tell you, chock-
full of inaccuracies, misinformation, disinformation, lies. Nevertheless, logs are highly dangerous.
Are you totally sure you favor ELDS to make your job easier - not to advance
safety?
somebody needs to reach out to the president about how unsafe this will be.
So it's a CONVOY just call it what it is.
WTF, I thought of this idea during 2015! I'm gonna sue California!!!
when my engine blew i said thats it next year wont be profitable and its not worth repairing. and alot of this is because the middle eastern man has messed up trucking
Leave the Truckers Alone! Let them know when they need to stop!!!
Driving 55 miles MPH is enough to protest in that truck hater's capital state
We have had digital tachographs in our trucks now for about 10 years or so in the UK we said the same when we went from analogue to digital don't worry guys your boss still has to pay you as long as you are not breaking no laws it's not worth getting find to make your boss more money why you pay out stick to the law guys your boss still has to pay you at the end of the week in the UK we are allowed to work three 15 hrs day and drive on a 10 hour twice a week .
They need to stop ALL rigs at weigh stations and log them and check safety things.
If the government wasn't going to profit from this bill it wouldn't even been a thought.
What are they going to do if trucks stop ? Put us in jail ? What happens then ? You get nothing!!!!
I took a huge pay cut but I'm glad I don't drive a truck anymore.