What the Bible says about homosexuality | Kristin Saylor & Jim O'Hanlon | TEDxEdgemontSchool
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Kristin Saylor and Jim O'Hanlon talks about what the Bible really says about homosexuality and other LGBTQ topics.
The Rev. Kristin Saylor is an Episcopal priest, currently serving St. Peter’s Church in Port Chester, NY. Originally from Wisconsin, she is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and Virginia Theological Seminary. She and her husband reside in the Bronx and enjoy availing themselves of New York City’s many cultural and culinary delights.
Jim O’Hanlon has been a Pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America since 2000, of St. Paul’s Church in Rye Brook since 2010.
Raised in a large, Irish, Roman Catholic family, Jim has a keen interest in the liturgical, social and church reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. Jim joined the the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America because of its witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ and the inclusion of women, Gays and Lesbians and all people in full participation and leadership in the church.
After college he earned a Master of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary in NYC and subsequently a Master of Sacred Theology from the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia. He completed several graduate courses in Jewish-Christian Studies at Seton Hall University in New Jersey. He serves on various boards including the Port Chester Council of Community Services and the LGBT Advisory Council for the County Executive. He enjoys collaborating with colle
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Just read the Bible for yourself instead of listening to others who never read the whole thing and make their own opinions and filters about it. And, yes, I'm including pastors.
It's very clear that's the case for these speakers. A lot of common sayings from many years of watered down Bible teaching.
thing is no one can read the true bible. it's been corrupted by hateful people. translations aren't accurate. The most accurate is the King James Versions of the bible. The other versions are far gone. The truest Bible is the bible in its original language. People can't just take any bible, read it, and make their thoughts because that Bible was man-altered
No
Agree
@@brndnii7840 When you truly follow God he will guide you to the correct path and teach you everything. Even tho we live in a hateful world we’re they change the Bible many times to there own benefits, God teachers the good and the bad to the ones who follow him
There's no such thing as a "perfect Christian"
According to the Bible, there is. We should define "perfect" from how it's used in the Bible to describe people. From the verses below (and there are more than this) it would seem to mean: attempting to follow the example of Jesus as best you can, being forgiven of your sins (having them erased from your record) and repenting (abandoning sinful habits), doing good works, and being united with other Christians.
Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
Luke 6:40 "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master."
John 17:23 (Jesus praying regarding His disciples) "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one [i.e. unity of mind and purpose] ..."
2 Timothy 3:17 "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
James 1:4 "But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing."
James 3:2 " ... If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."
@@RB-bd5tz And does that mean leaving flawed people in charge of inquisitions, national churches, or as popes? And flawed interpretations of Jews or descendants of Ham, too?
@Lucem yesssssssssss!!!!!
@Xwole O which part of the bible says that jesus is God?
@ Maureen Christ was not a Christian bcoz he was The Christ.
one thing about the Bible is, you pick a certain verse and it actually talks in your favor… but when you read the whole verse from up to the point that favors you, you’ll realize it has nth to do with you .
therefore i suggest we read the bible in whole , rather than selecting some parts of it to satisfy you at a particular time .
Unfortunately If you read the bible in whole over and over again it does not condone homosexuality. Please let me know what verse tells us homosexuality is normal acceptable behavior
@@juliorosenberg2222 well i’m not much of a reader and also i’m against homosexuality.
but i know for a fact that picking a single scripture might be in your favor but when you read previous scriptures that let to that one scripture, you’ll find out that it wasn’t really in your favor.
or, you could simply disregard the bible completely
There is only one author and one viewpoint that matters and that is Gods viewpoint on all matters.
@@juliorosenberg2222 you can look up the verses. It’s not that hard.
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” - 2 Tim 4:3
spot on! many teachers appeal to humanity's basest instinct of suspicion towards those who are different, self-righteousness ("thank you God that I'm not like that tax collector"), and sense of power over vulnerable minorities. I'm seeing more and more alleged Christians resort to deceit to preserve the status quo.
thankfully we have these kind speakers who point us to God's love and are leading many to repentance.
Okay let’s bring back slavery then since the bible endorses that
@@MusicalRaichuI don't think "The Dude" meant what you think he did.
@@andytyler6252 I pointed out how that scripture applies to what happened in the church, consistent with the message in the video. some have misused it against anything they don't personally agree with, but you shouldn't make such an accusation without proof.
AMEN! God never changes, nor his laws or precepts. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. His WORD is true!
I'm always grateful when there's people willing to question EVERYTHING.
so are we going to heaven or not!??!
@@lunacatplays It's not a we thing. I'm trying to make it. Idk about y'all.
It's not wise to question god
Even God.
@@adg5889 it brings severe consequences, but then again suffering will teach you to love, so in that context maybe so in the end
I like how there are about 5 people in the audience.
😆
why?
but 1.4 million on youtube
@@alejandratilano7180 It was at 6am. People are sleepy.
@vctjkhme
They do that on every TED talk.
To those who read, and chose to learn rather than blindly hate- We salute and thank you.
Amen!
Because one agrees that homosexuality is wrong does not make it hate,except that you want it to as it also makes you much more woke in some eyes. Jesus loves all and calls homosexuals as well as other sinners to repent.thanks
@@joman388 yes it does amount to hate because you think heterosexuals should have privileges that homosexuals shouldn't. That is hate.
A bit of a strawman argument, don't you think? Aside from "learning" to arrive at conclusions you find agreeable and blind hatred, surely there is room for other nuances? I can think of literally dozens of them...
@@joebriggs5781 I ask you what privileges homosexuals do not have that anyone else in America has,apparently you were without answer,so I will take it as that and your statement would be false.thanks
It’s always nice to watch people speak out against interpreting the scripture to match one’s beliefs, then proceed to do just that.
Would you argue that this interpretation is more "accurate" in the sense of the word?
@@donovana2861 no, it is not !
I don't think they were "speaking out" against interpreting it to match your beliefs full stop, more so against overly simplistic interpretations that treat the bible as having a single definitive voice.
And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds [i.e., peoples]?
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."
So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers].
And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.
Qur'an 7:80-84 --
@@mylordtakemeaway who does WE refer to
"you shall not lie with a man as with a woman." So, It's a good thing I don't lay a woman in the same way I lay a man. Very different techniques are employed.
i've heard many jokes of this verse, and many different jokes about many different translations, but this might be one of my all time favorites
I didn't understand what you say honestly
I think this is saying you don’t lie with either gender.
@@elesca1883 I wouldn't lie to you, regardless of your gender
MY GOD jajajdk iconic
How does Moses make tea?
He-brews it
Then he wasn't Jewish. The modern Jewish Hebrew language was developed long after Moses and the flood, about 400BC. Their version of Hebrew has no similarity to the Paleo-Hebrew language in use by the writers of the Old Testament. If the people who identify as the Jewish racial groups today were the Hebrews of ancient biblical script, they would not have developed their own language and call it Hebrew. They would have simply improved upon their original Hebrew language and we would find the Paleo-Hebrew roots within their version and this does not exist. The racial group of the Paleo-Hebrew language would be the genetic lineage of Israel. Did the people who call themselves Jews reinvent themselves in 400BC?
Haha, "He-brews it" haha
@@davidwest2963 way to ruin a well executed joke
No
@@isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343 Yes
Really interesting. Thanks for posting.
Humans aren't equipped to judge. When we do, it is like closing a mental door. Once it's closed, it isn't revisited further. It closes us off to the gifts life gives us.
If a parent hides, demands to be treated like a parent, and often recklessly endangered their children, whilst playing FAVORITES with others, @Anais S , but was otherwise visible to you, then would you still, hold precisely the same views, therefore?
And who chose, to be born 'natural men', meantime?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I try not to judge. Don't even understand what you're trying to say. Do what you want.
@@anaiss265 Well, fair enough. It depends what you meant by the gifts, I suppose. Or who is giving them?
That may have been my own misreading.
@@chrissonofpear1384 no worries, thanks.
That is why people shouldnt let anyone tell them what is in the bible read it for urselves and you would be amazed.
Amazingly bored
The Bible is the most beautiful book.
i think its true to each to own like poetry and art everyone takes what they want from it 1 painting 2 people will have two ideas or thoughts describing it so n bibles been edited we know many different types its hard to say
Do you mean the part about how you can own someone and beat them as long as they don't die in a couple days?
@@danieltugga4263 Harry Potter is better.
People can make the bible say whatever they want if they ignore curtain passages and missinturperate others.
yep, that's exactly what this video is saying! people can misinterpret the bible to make it say discriminatory and hurtful things. 16:00 onwards
People can get the Bible to say whatever they want because the Bible is polemical and filled with varying and often contradictory perspectives.
The Bible is not monolithic, but instead is a preservation of diverse Jewish and Christian thought, which doesn’t always agree in harmony.
@Touch Blampied AMEN. Thank you for speaking the truth boldly.
@@MusicalRaichu It does not discriminate, the truth of the Word can only hurt people who let it. Too often, people want to taint the Bible to make them more comfortable and more American. They don't want to hear what it has to say if they don't like it.
@@chubbybutterflies8971 But if people who don't know much take the word of vocal church figures who say discriminatory things, then they will genuinely feel hurt. They haven't heard talks like this which tell them what the Bible actually says, so they end up rejecting God for the wrong reason.
Crazy how she didn’t mentioned god blinded them for trying to do such acts
You've conveniently left out Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Have a think about what those scriptures mean to your argument that homosexuality is not a sin.
Genesis 2:18 (KJV) And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God created women to be equal partners and also God only allows male and female marriage.
do some biblical research bro
They also left out
Corinthians 11:6
"For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head."
Leviticus 19:27
Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head nor shave your beard
Timothy 2:12
A woman shall not hold authority over a man or usurp a mans authority
Corinthians 14: "
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Bible says what it says right.
@@michaelibraniibrani9029 The Bible says nothing about what kind of marriage "God allows". The OT law even affirmed polygamy and concubines. Just because the Bible refers positively to marriage between a man and a woman says nothing one way or the other about what God thinks of two men or two women.
"I've worked every day of my life making sure I would make it here to heaven."
Amazing. Every word of what you just said...was wrong.
1000000% wrong. I'm wondering if either of them have ever read a bible
Mormon? Maybe
I think that was part of the example, not what he really believes.
He was acting, it was part of the example. To show us that "some" people actually do that.
They were putting on a skit (which he even pointed out) of the common Christian.
People love to make a God to suite them,this is a perfect example
Catholic Church has been doing it for years. 🥱
True
God is imaginary
@@lizichell2 GOD wont be cause you said so
Things are not true to how much your repeat them to YOURSELF
GOD is real and exists
@@betelhemabebe2763 pretty much a full gone conclusion that God is imaginary as are all supernatural unscientific myths
Most people here saying they have read the Bible have not. They have read someone's translation of the original language unless they know Hebrew and read the original text. Therefore, they are reading text through the lenses of the tranlator(s).
Very true. The most accurate English version is the New King James, because it skips the Latin translation and comes directly from Hebrew. Still, there are certain words and concepts that do not have a direct Hebrew to English translation.
Jesus spoke Aramaic. I have seen translations of this that are way different than the King James, and other versions. You can find versions here on RUclips.
@yurei8 None of the original texts are in Aramaic. I think there is a verse or two that quotes Aramaic, but all the original manuscripts are primarily in Greek or Hebrew.
Now, there *are* translations that come out a little different than the King James, but, to the extent that this is a result if using different sources, these simply privilege different manuscripts *of the same language.* There is no version that relies on "the original Aramaic," because, even if such manuscripts ever existed (and we don't know that they did), there are certainly no copies of these around today.
Aramaic, Greek, Hebrews, Italian, and likely many others were the languages spoken in scripture. Someone translated them at some point in time using understanding from their time and context into Latin. It is retranslated, updated, etc by people over time using their best judgement from their historic contexts. That people would be willing to condemn a whole group of people based on a very few passages that may or may not apply to that group and which has been translated and retranslated over time by various peoples from various contexts without even entertaining the POSSIBILITY they could have less than clear understanding is insane.
This really reminds of the Serpent in the garden of Eden twisting God's Word.
I know. The serpent misrepresented God as harsh, creating the woman with need for food yet telling her that God forbade her from eating anything.
Exactly how the error that has infiltrated our churches tells gays, who have been created with needs for companionship and intimacy like anyone else, that God arbitrarily forbids them from satisfying those needs.
Good thing we have kind people like these speakers who seek to correct this terrible misinterpretation of God's word.
You say that because you can’t answer the questions they pose.
Ignorance is not holy.
I'm afraid one day a superior alien race will get here, find out about the bible and think we are all morons.
😂😂😂 maybe they DID! That's why they lets Donald Trump be President :/
***** I once heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson say something like that, and I agree.
Maybe they did and just moved as far as they can get form us because of how stupid we are, and that's the reason we can't find any alien life.
what if aliens get here and look at atheist and think we are all morons.?
what if aliens get here and look at cars and think we are all morons?
what if aliens get here and look at everybody living on one planet and think we are all morons?
what if aliens get here and look at cat's and think we are all morons?
what if aliens get here and look at dog's and think we are all geniuses?
what if aliens get here and look at the Internet and think we are all memes.?
what if aliens get here and look at Donald Trump and don't care about he?
what if aliens get here and look at Our AI and think we are all morons?
what if aliens came here and looked at dinosaurs and shot a giant space rock at them?
josiah O'Neill You are moron
Lesson: Let people live their own life. It's not that hard
"This thing is displeasing to me and I find no appeal in it... I deem it a SIN!"
PERIODT
Ikr like how does the decay and corruption of the society you live and raise your children in affect you? Just live and let live
@@DarkPablo the decay and corruption in my society has nothing to do with homosexuality in any way. It's entirely the result of corporatist politicians, corporations, a shitbag moralizing "christians," trying to inflict a theocracy on us.
Sure. Live the way you want. Just don't force religious people to endrose or participate in your way of live. Like forcing them to make cakes or decorate flowers for your wedding.
thank you for such an insightful and enlightening presentation!!!
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
exactly. just as well that we have people like these nice speakers to guide us away from the false teaching that has destroyed so many lives.
@@MusicalRaichu all that matter is Jesus’s everything else is pointless
Nice of you to provide a bio so we know your intentions.
@@almondwater9583 You need to look at what Jesus says in Matthew 19:11-12. It is a reaction to the Disciples, about what he said at the beginning of the chapter. I say that you won't understand. But Jesus himself here, says that 'not everyone can understand it.
They took some serious liberties when recounting the story of Sodom. Those two men weren't random travalers they were Angels sent to retrieve Lot before God destroyed the city.
Jordan Gardner Play Degrassi Tyson on RUclips
Jordan Gardner Play a documentary of Degrassi Tyson on RUclips
All we can do is pray for them.
Jordan Gardner I was thinking the same thing.. because they did so it does change the whole story of their premise of what they're trying to achieve knowing that full detail if they were not human that they were angels and On Assignment to save lot changes up everything.. Smh.. if we tell the truth you have to tell it in detail and in love or us the people who are listening to your truth will never hear the real truth , just a half truth which is a whole lie. IM JUST SAYING.
@Jordan Gardner--I would go further to say they are false teachers who don't want to accept and teach what the Bible says about the subject. We don't judge, but the Bible does. It's not being kind to people to deliberately ignore what the Bible teaches. The speakers left out all the passages that address the subject directly.
Forever learning but never knowing the truth.
Whoa ima keep this quote PREACH!
@AaronBosley66 Whoa ima keep that quote PREACH!
@Smeagol The wizard you're so smart 🧠 🙄
2 Timothy 3:7
Jesus: "Ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding". - Mark 4:12
Regardless of what you believe, being discriminatory towards the LGBTQ community (or any group of people for that matter) undercuts the most important tennants of the Christian faith: Christ's everlasting love to all of his children and showing that same love to ALL our neighbors unconditionally.
I find it interesting when I talk to someone who says that the Bible must be taken literally.
So I ask, "So you believe that the universe was created in six twenty-four hour days?" Of course they always say yes.
I ask about a few other stories just to establish that yes, they firmly believe that every single word must be taken literally.
So then I say, "I see you have both of your hands, and both of your eyes. So you have never used your hands to commit a sin, you have never looked at a woman and thought, hhhmmm?"
They inevitably say well Yeshua didn't mean to literally cut off your...I interrupt them at that point and say "Oh no you just said that every word is meant to be taken literally. So why is that action not meant to be taken literally?"
At this point, they usually just walk away.
When Paul says in Christ there is neither male nor female.. He means we are all equal as humans in the sight of the lord regardless of our genitalia.. Don't get it twisted it
Christian Girl PP yP.
I like how the two ministers talk about not twisting scripture, and look at the entire context, then they go ahead and twist scripture and not look at the entire context. The bible is supposed to be a book that teaches righteousness and love, yet when people accept sin and corruption as okay and acceptable just to please some political agenda, you're not loving people - you're misguiding them. Sin is a sin, and we're all sinners. We come before God and thank Jesus for his sacrifice to deliver us from sin. We don't go ahead and say well now we're saved, it is okay to keep sinning. Instead, we study the scripture to know right from wrong and we discipline ourselves to prevent our sinful nature from taking control. Likewise, we shouldn't tell people that what they're doing is okay, just to make them feel better about themselves. When people say homosexuality is not a sin and is okay, they're only going to trip these people from following God. You should love them because we're all children of God, but instead of saying what they're doing is okay, you need to guide them and make them better. A good example is mental disorders such as depression. You shouldn't threaten, mock, or seclude people with depression and other mental disorders, nor should you say that feel depressed and suicidal is normal and they're totally okay. Instead, you need to show them love and support and help them get better.
If it doesn't matter in heaven, why does it matter here?
Christian Girl, it means we are not this flesh; this encasing; this cocoon. This shell doesn't make us who we are. It's just where we reside/housed for the time being. We are WHAT makes us move; WHAT animates us. Read it. HE said HIS image. WHAT is HE? Spirit. Love.
Lt. Nan , sin is sin. What is sin? Think about Jesus and the whole cross scenario. Why did God forsake Jesus that day? What was put upon Jesus that made God look the other way? God could have saved him. Why didn't he? Isn't it not stated, 'flesh is to sin?' God is not about saving flesh. Flesh equates to sin. That's why we ARE sinners. This flesh; this corruptible shell we reside in. God is seeking that which resides in that shell, that fleshy house; The Spirt. As long as we live on earth, we will always be separated from God. We must move away from, "your "sin" is worse than mine." Your flesh is not worse than mine because it is ALL SIN in HIS eyes. The sooner we can realize that, we can really work on what God intended; that Holy Spirit filled relationship with HIM. You can only serve God in spirit and in truth.
The way those letters are taped on is lowkey mood
Funny laughed
I saw that and laughed way too much
🤭
Hahaha. I saw the tape and thought the same thing. 🤔🤔🤔
"She and her daughters were overfed, arrogant and unconcerned; they did not help the poor or needy." Sounds like most American "Christians". 😂
Most Americans in general
Very over privileged and spoilt people
Come to Nigeria first
You go see shege
The fact that he says, “Why do we even care what the Bible says,” makes me so sad that we could just neglect the Word of God. The Truth that God gave us. Lord, please have mercy on us😔
you need to take it in context. he later says 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 we base our values and morality on the bible.
he meant that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written. his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
Is very sad , remember what our Lord God Jesus said, woe to that man by whom the offence comes
Doesnt make me sad. It makes me furious
You completely took his words out of context. He posed the question as more as "heres why we're doing this talk for you guys" and not like "we shouldn't listen to the Bible anymore"
I’m still stuck on the part when the guy dressed like a priest blatantly said “why do we care about what the Bible says in this day and age?”
i agree it wasn't phrased well.
what i think he meant was that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written, that we shouldn't necessarily base what we do on outdated ideas and practices.
he later 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 about basing our values and morality on the bible.
i think his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
@@MusicalRaichu thank u for clarifying I was also confused
It was rhetorical.
They are false prophets clearly.
Yes, are wolves in sheep's clothing.
To my fellow “Christians” who are leaving hateful comments on this video:
Matthew 22: 36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 John 2:9-11
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
Basically. One thing is needed to get into the kingdom of God. Belief in Jesus as his son, and that he’s taken your sins. The fact that you are using God’s word to hate on pastors that share their interpretations on scripture (which, by the way, i can assure you that all of you read interpretations of the Bible allegedly “every day”) and to hate on people because of who they love is the real blasphemy here. Love God, Love Your Neighbor. Since y’all are “so direct”, let me just point out that there is no “unless” after that scripture.
So, if you hate people so much for who they are, there is no need to talk about it, ESPECIALLY in Jesus’s name. That’s blasphemous. Bigots like you people are the reason so many people turn away from or refuse to associate with Christianity. Though we, as Christians should be loving, all we seem to send towards other is judgement and hate. Who do you think you are?
Signed,
-A 15 Year Old Christian.
That's in the new testament, you can't cherry pick evidence, it paints the entire religion under a coat used in the new testament, you have to take into account the entire book and not just take bits and pieces, not only that but there are many branches of Christianity that each have different explainations on how to reach heaven
Josh Platt
Amen!
It’s much easier to love than it is to hate!
@@jeffwelch6605 and it's also a lot easier to ignore evidence than it is to see the truth
Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed. (Proverbs 27:5)
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. (1 Corinthians 2:15)
Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
(Mathew 7:1-3)
Yes we are saved by grace through faith but we are not to compromise the truth for the world, but instead refute people who spread lies in a loving way
@@HerveyShmervy are you forgetting the old testament?
"Treat others as you wished to be treated"
Yes I would never treat a person that cheated on his wife or her husband bad. Even though I knew it was a sin and I would never treat anyone that lied all the time bad either even though I knew it was a sin. And I would never treat a person that killed someone on purpose without it being self-defense bad even though I knew it was a sin. I just would not treat anyone bad even though I knew what they were doing was a sin including a man that would lay with another man as if it was a woman even though I knew it was a sin.
And I wouldn't go around wearing a shirt promoting any of the things that they were doing like that even though I knew it was a sin. I know no one is perfect. But I wouldn't go around promoting those things because I know that it is a sin. Even though I know no one is perfect. That doesn't mean I should go around promoting the imperfections in people.
One thing is sure, God will judge us not on how we want our lives to be lived but on how He wanted it to be. And those who lead others to sin will definitely reap what they sow. Be very careful then how you share your own understanding of His words.
I used to be a drug addict, drunk and violent person but when I found Christ I gave it all away (Praise GOD) because I new it was sinful.
You gave up something to be closer to the Lord and you got delivered . What the LGBTQ's won't accept is that they must sacrifice their lifestyle to be heard from God. They want God's blessing but, don't want to do what God tells them to do in regard to ridding their lives of sin that OFFENDS God.
Richard Michael McDonnell 🤣
How did it destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? I see no connection. Please enlighten me
Boss: Give me the All Father. My honor before the word, my actions before my soul.
Religion was just made up so that we'd all try to live our lives for the better. It's here to control us and confine us to beliefs from century's ago.
when you learn to spell, I'll listen to you. Figure it out.
How can you have the Catholic Church explain the Gospel when they themselves live in complete contradiction to the Bible? This makes no sense at all.
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Actually this is true of all churches who teach from the modern bibles. The Gospel has been bastardized and the word of God changed. Men no longer understand the message of Love. They now spend their lives thinking in terms of "sin". The Gospel, the real Gospel does not teach in this way. Jesus taught that Love fulfills the law.
@@franco634 true, and that's all I teach is Christ crucified. Also loving one another. That's all I teach my Sunday school class kids
@@WalkingFree-eo8mc You are a very smart person Walking Free. The message is simple. Kindness and love toward all. It is not always easy. I fall short quite often but pick myself up and try and try again. It is a pleasure to meet you. Thank you!
@@franco634 you as well brother! It's all what love is about. Loving even the most difficult of people. If God wasn't as patient as he is in love, we would all be doomed. We fall short all the time, even as Believers
"Both of them have done what is detestable" Leviticus 20:13
two males
God didn't say that. Man did.
I made it 4:33 in. All I can say is read your Bible for YOURSELF!! Don't let anyone tell you what it says. JUST READ IT!!
Exactly. Go to God first.
@@seeinspiration4359 honestly, reading the whole bible is the best way to become an Atheist. No way you can read the whole thing and still believe any of it is true.
@@joecoolioness6399 That certainly didnt work for me,as I believe all of it is true.thanks
@Joe Coolioness, I know, the Bible definitely is a lot to take in. When I was younger, I thought it was so boring and refused to read it. But as time passed, I guess someone had been praying for me, because it’s words started to make sense. I understand that a lot of it may be very hard to believe, but sometimes we don’t always take it literally or it doesn’t apply in the exact same way. For example, many people in the Old Testament married family members, which we wouldn’t dream of doing nowadays. Joe, you are lacking faith, and I have to admit that a lot of times I do too. But don’t give up. And you sound very committed if you read the whole Bible. God sees your effort and will reward you. Ask with faith, and you shall receive. I’ll be praying for you my friend:). And hey, something just popped into my mind: I think you should go to a Bible study. I’m sure many churches near you will have it. That’s what Jesus told me to do, and things make a whole lot more sense now:)
@@joecoolioness6399 Come on, try it, have faith, since I was a child I believed that they were made up stories and that is how it was until my adolescence but then thanks to some very kind people, the kindest people I have ever met in my life helped me see things in another way, no I say that now is perfect, but it is the best thing that can happen to you now and at any time.
The Hebrew word in the bible that was translated as unicorn means "Wild Oxen" btw.
so why always rely on all biblical translations, including the translation given to 1 Corinthians 6:10, for the terms malakoi and arsenokoitai?
nichols why are you focused on the insignificant details and not the mission?
Wtf wym b?
david nichols cause it saves a lot of time. I do it all the time.
@david nichols I think it's because they are constantly on the computer, and it's unnecessary to type them out tbh.
Or we can not pass laws based on someone's religion and their interpretation of it. Arguing with people about how they interpret their religion is a losing battle.
bakslashr This is why we must rely on the Holy Spirit and listen for the answer when we have a question!
Eugene Rasband yea, the Holy Spirit told this man its wrong to be gay, this other man says the holy spirit told him to be Gay is okay. listening to the "holy spirit" is a useless practice.
the Holy Spirit will always act in accordance with the Word of God. i.e. if the "holy spirit" tells you to rob a bank you are not listening to the Holy Spirit because the Bible records the commandment from God not to steal.
The problem is that secularism, atheism, agnosticism, humanism, etc. can all qualify as religions. So, it often looks more like a case of to whose religion should we listen.
LizAgr71 No they don't. Atheism is the lack of belief, there is no doctrine and nothing to follow. Is the lack of belief in bigfoot also a religion? Religions are cults that follow a common core belief. Rejecting that belief isn't a religion. Shows that you don't think for yourself but regurgitate the nonsense that is spoon feed to you. Atheism by definition can't be a religion or belief system.
God spelled it out very plainly. "Detestable" and "abomination"are pretty strong words. Don't kid yourself. It wasn't put in the bible for no reason. It was a clear warning not to be interpreted your own way however you see fit. I would never treat differently or love anyone one ounce less because of their orientation EVER.
Did you not just watch the video? Those words are taken out of context. It never says plainly in the bible "Homosexuality is a sin."
@@WandasGaySon yeah, the “man shall not sleep with man” is “man shall not sleep with boy” as in paedophilia. Not homosexuality. The word Homosexuality was first seen in the English language in 1892. Leviticus 18 was written in about 332 BC. I wish we could do what makes our Lord God truly happy and ‘love thy neighbor’ instead of hurt and disdain them.
@@Cat-mv6il See I love fellow Christians like you but hate ones who use god to spread hate and hurt people.
Hope you didn't write this wearing multiple kinds of fabric
@@WandasGaySon "Where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin?"
Right in the book of Leviticus!
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).
You can not dictate to God!
Thank you for this presentation!
God is not the author of confusion.
True That Austin
@Nick Rato God's word is to be taken the way it was written. Nothing should be added or taken away. They are only trying to confuse those who don't know God's word. hope I answered your question
@@austinjohnson9706 i disagree.
yeah? do you regularly stone people wearing mixed fabrics?
@@haveanicedaythanks1570 about what?
Why are people so obsessed with the sexlife of their neighbours?
Mind your own sexlife and make it fabulous.
periodt.
Amen sister
I mind my own business when LGBT community stop teaching the younger generation that being homosexuel is okay ,and teaching parents that they have to let kids decide their gender.
@@salahmed2805 Exactly!
@@salahmed2805 ? So then you're not ok with it. It's not telling them what they have to be. It's telling them that they can be whatever they feel they are...
And what about 1 Timothy 1:8-11??
This is major cope. They cherrypicked one story that had ambiguity when in other places in the bible it explicitly forbids homosexuality.
Many will say to him on that day "Lord, Lord" and he will say to them depart from me, I never knew you...
That’s exactly the category these false teachers fall into. The dark rulers of this world never rest. They will corrupt this world beyond recognition.
I never knew you... you who practice lawlessness.
brandywinehammer better translated as “you never knew me”. And more profound.
Amen
Actually it is correct the way it is put in Scripture. God knows all of us better than we know ourselves. As He said “ before I knit you together in your mother’s womb, I knew you. “ This tells us God puts us there and the spark of life enters us at conception. This is why I find abortion so abhorrent. The only one who has the right to control life is God. Because He created and creates it. How people can think otherwise is beyond comprehension.
This is a prime example of refusing to abandon SIN to the point of purposely misinterpreting scripture--THE WORD OF GOD.
Yep! Thanks!
To justify their complete defeat to diabolic Lust, they falsely teach that God's supporting this lateral way of thinking.
Too bad for them, God is not Anti-Christ and neither is the Bible.
People please read original interpretations of Church fathers of late antiquity. They're just an eye opener.
Glory to God
Can't abandon sin when it doesn't exist lmao.
@@williamwyckoff If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was DEATH. Romans 1:27
Glory to God.
I will not believe that a just God would spurn any man or woman because of their identity! That would make a prejudiced God and I can't acknowledge that.
Not being a priority, doesn't change the WORD. GOD bless
you lead a life of celibacy or otherwise take a vow of silence, dopey
First off, the Bible does say a lot about who God is.
Secondly, the Bible does have one definition of marriage.
Thirdly, I find it funny that they took the story of Sodom out of context. It wasn't just two men that went into the town. It was two angels in the form of men.
Fourthly(?), the Galatians scripture CANNOT be used for a counterpoint for gender identity. The "bathroom" issue is over a physical presence, not a spiritual issue. "There's no man or woman" is meant to reflect on the fact that the soul is what is being saved and redeemed, not the social status.
No it does not. It does not mention gender nor number of partners. Just that marriage is an important commitment to make if you want prosperity.
Wait...are you against gays? Just asking?
Joseph Savoca God bless you brother
Isn't the soul the most important part of a human being for christianity?
@@danktankdragkings7117 it does
Half of what they're saying dosen't even appear in scripture, that's just cherry picking.
Lol so true
half of what people say who condemn samesecs relationships doesn't even appear in scripture either. like "definition of marriage", "complementary-ism", "all samesecs relationships are sinful", "God destroyed those cities because of the H thing", "adam and eve not adam and steve", ...
Scripture read for yourself !
ROMANS CHAPTER 1:
24 ,Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 ,Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ,For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 ,And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 ,And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
GOD DOESN’T DEAL BY SITUATION ETHICS !
@@savedbygrace8337 That's not even relevant to the topic. The issue is whether ALL same secs behaviour is wrong, not on what male roman idolators were doing two millennia ago.
So what you're saying is that half of what they're saying does appear in scripture... Also, the scripture isn't the only form of information. It's possible to use other sources to come to conclusions. For example, we didn't invent computers by using the Bible, yet computers still work.
Be careful listing to anyone that justifies your own lust and desires whatever that may be. I learned this myself in my own church by not reading my Bible and trusting in man. Just like Jesus died for you... you die to him daily. You die to your own desires and seek what Jesus wants in your life. Read your bible daily, pray that Jesus gives you understanding, and spread the gospel to others in need. This world is wicked and Jesus is coming soon. Be prepared and be excited for his return. Be content and you will have peace and love that will fill your heart. Salvation is between you and Christ. It is a personal relationship. God Bless!
You two are fabulous. Love seeing a woman and a man standing together and preaching respect, understanding, belonging. I’m an atheist but can respect your approach.
You won't be a atheist when you are standing before god crying your eyes begging god for a second chance, but guess what by then it will be to late. So you can knock god all you but you will answer to God one day and that is a fact
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u good Johnny?
@@modularb what r u talking about?
@@johnnycarter2283 Not all atheists hate god. We simply don’t believe he exists, or don’t wish to worship him. There are many Christians who commit horrible acts in the name of your god, but many atheists have advanced the world into what it is today. Yes, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than what it was in many respects.
If you believe in your god, I completely respect that. Please respect that other people might not. Whatever god or goddess I might meet in the afterlife can judge me however they want for me not believing in them, but my mind cannot be changed, and to each to their own.
It's a good talk, but they sadly left 5 of the 6 texts/scripture parts about homosexuality out :/ The same Paul that was mentioned condemns the act of gay sex. (1Cor 6 somewhere around the 10th verse I think) So there really isn't a way where it is allowed. Note: The bible never condemns being gay, just the act... But then again, if you say: "Who even cares about what the bible says, stories of thousands of years ago" why should you care about what the bible says about anything???
David Rutgers I'm not sure if you actually want an explanation, but there are reasons the letters of Paul also are not meant as base condemnations.
I'd love an explanation! Gives me a chance to evaluate/rethink my ideas and if needed adapt/change :)
David Rutgers Sure, but it will be long winded. I also don't pretend to be an expert in theology in any way, I have found this argument in articles and interviews with experts in theology, and I'll try to reply with sources, but I basically have committed this to memory.
Ok so essentially what is important to remember with the letters written by Paul, is that they are letters written usually to a specific people. The letter he wrote to the Romans is different than the letter he wrote to the Corinthians. They have the same theme and message, essentially, but Paul was actually really good at paying attention to his audience. The different groups he wrote to all had different perceptions of Christianity, they all had different traditions, ideologies, histories, etc.
For example, the letter to the Ephesians talks about acceptance of Gentiles into Christianity more than some other letters, because they was a larger issue in that group. There was a lot of sentiment that Gentiles had no place, as they were not Jewish before Jesus came, and they weren't circumcised, and so on.
On to your verse. I Cor 6 v9 lists all these unrighteous traits that shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It lists adulterers, thieves, the greedy, etc. It also says "abusers of themselves with mankind," which is the part most commonly interpreted as about male on male intercourse.
Here is the context with verses like these. We see similar ones in other letters (there is another example in Romans), and what I have found really important is that the people that Paul is writing to here have NO history of Christianity, and to some extent, little history of Judaism. Very similar to the teachings on circumcision, these people knew little about what was the baseline in a moral Christian life. The traditions or practices of each group were interfering spiritually, and they did not realize it.
Paul used his letters to emphasize the spirit that a Christian should have. For each group, he had to explain what practices in each group were in violation to the morality of a christian. he used examples of people and practices, not to point out inherit sin, but to point out how easily these can lead to sin. it would seem, through Scripture, that being a tax collector is a sin, but in reality, tax collectors were just a really good example of greed. Paul pointed out tax collectors to show a person that everyone knew who might be corrupted with greed.
In the "abusers" example above, and through the original Hebrew translation, he was pointing out the only practice of gay sex that was commonly know and reported at that time. Within the Corinthians, and also with the Romans, it was really common for highly ranked men, in politics or in military, to rape young male servants, mostly young teenagers. This was no secret, but it wasn't really addressed as a problem. Paul pointed out that this practice was ungodly, violent, and wrong. He could not have been talking about a modern, consenting gay couple, as these did not exist at this time. The form of gay sex that he was condemning was essentially institutionalized rape of young men by their older masters.
many modern Christian leaders interpret now, that an adult, consenting gay couple essentially should follow the same moral restrictions as a straight couple, and that both relationships would be recognized equally by God
it would be really easy to discount this explanation with "but Paul just meant that all gay sex is wrong," but all examples of sex being talked about as sinful in the New testament are examples of extramarital sex, (a breach of trust with your spouse), or violent rape of a slave.
Thanks a lot for this well thought out (and quoted/citated ;) ) response! I've saved it and will certainly read it again. I'm not totally convinced yet, but intrigued enough to start researching again. Who knows what will be the result of that! To be fair: The explanation that you gave would certainly benefit me as a gay male :) So thanks again and who knows what the future brings? :)
David Rutgers No problem. If you want a really good movie about this, I would suggest "Fish Out of Water"
Anyone can make the Bible say what they see as truth but it takes discernment to recognize truth from error
Yes, and discernment requires a clean heart and an upright mind!
Well no its simply a book that was translated wrong.
Christian definition of discernment: perception in the absence of JUDGMENT with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding. So, I guess your right, anyone (preacher's included) can make the Bible say what they see as the truth.
@@Ave_Satana666 How's that?
@@JacksonCampbell I forget something about it being in Hebrew like for instance Jesus isn't Jesus he is Joshua.
The greatest exercise in mental gymnastics I have ever seen lol
And not even a very limber one at that...
Christianity teach us to loves everyone like ourself, just like Jesus that was mocked because he friends with "sinners", He loves everyone, but doesn't mean He loves our sins.
But what we seen in this video is the true embodiment of what was written "They will find teachers who say what they want to hear", and you can translate that literally.
As with all things, take it to the Holy Spirit in sincere prayer. God is not the author of confusion. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Don't really think you can say that Old Testament and New Testament God are the same.
If God is not the author of confusion then WHY are there so many different denominations in the Christian religion? Why can't even christians agree on points in their own faith?
Justin Kerns
Agreed. There are so many contradictions in the Bible it's no wonder Christians can't agree amongst themselves. The Bible absolutely _is_ the source of a great deal of confusion. If you think it's the word of God (which I don't) then you've only got one person to blame.
γρηγορέω 1127 AMEN! 🙏❤
Shelly Rae Reed
God is indeed the same yesterday, today and forever: a figment of people's imagination.
Paul warned us about the false teachers. The teachers that make points that sound smart and make sense. He warns about them, and this video includes people he spoke about.
those who know the truth will find this easily misinterpreted and false but those who don't know the truth WHOA to them leading the Lord people astray to make it sound that its ok to fit their desires into their lives by twisting God's truth
false prophets aye.
Exactly correct.
😂😂 “teachers that make points that sound smart and makes sense”. Warning to believe what doesn’t make sense is the alternative? That’s the back up plan for your mind to stay imprisoned
@@1108dmv No... ...it simply means that it's important to read, know and understand scripture in its proper and correct context, or else be deceived by false, inaccurate or disingenuous teachings.
In lieu of taking these OBVIOUSLY biased folks at face value, you might want to consult the actual Bible or just consider yourself lied to.
Here they are saying don't take everything in the bible literally; but when Jesus says there is no male nor female, they take it literally.
Bradley Hite Did you completely ignore the talk altogether? They are simply advocating for a more fluid interpretation.
and besides, if they had taken that passage literally, they would be saying it is a sin to be male or female, which they did not do
They wanna be the ones who decide what to take literally. The definition of dictators.
Your mind is so closed, go back to your cave.
They were using it as an example of how the scripture can be taken literally for both sides of the argument, to show how people shouldn't take everything in the bible so literally. Your comprehension skills are really bad...
+Mr Edison
Not necessarily. The most common version of the bible in the US is the King James version.
How can there be multiple, and sometimes contradictory, versions of what is supposedly infallible, holy truth?
The king James version is a translation, and a rushed translation at that, of scriptures that were already a bit old and confusing in the King James era. That particular translation was ordered by King James so that the general interpretation could be controlled to favor him. The KJ bible was later re-written again to be more poetic.
And even at the time, some of the words and passages were confusing, or simply forgotten and the meaning was guessed.
Not to mention, the bible had parts taken out and locked away during the council of Nicea/Nicaea.
The Vatican has thousands of treasures and volumes locked away.
The version of the bible you're most likely familiar with is as much ancient propaganda as it is actual scripture. The bible has always been a political tool.
At least this time, no one is forcing the bible to be edited and killing translators and printers who disagree.
Did Jesus not say Love thy neighbour without any qualifications
Lonestar x Absolutely and I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand. Especially people who consider themselves "Christians".
@@Omar-ck7oq I thought we weren't supposed to judge but yet you judge. You judge born free, you judge homosexuals, you judge just about anyone who you don't agree with. You are the phony and the fake. Jesus taught above all else love your neighbor as yourself. This was his law, the Messianic law and the most important of all the commandments. Yet you do not honor this law. You spit in the face of Jesus by condemning your brothers and sisters. Jesus said that the Messianic law is the narrow road to Heaven. I don't know what Bible you read but it certainly isn't the right one. Did you know that the Bible was written and than rewritten three more times over the course of two thousand years. Each time it was written it veered farther and farther from the message of Jesus. Today the modern bibles are worthless and fools like you do not take the time to know the real bible. You couldn't be more UN Christian if you tried. If I were you Omar I would pack up my hatred before it kills you. I wouldn't want to face my maker with that big chip you carry around on your shoulder toward your fellow man. You must have had a sad sad life.
@@franco634 If I were issuing MY opinion of someones value, condemning someone (particularly when it is intended to elevate myself in the eyes of others), it would be "judging", and is soundly condemned throughout Scripture. But when we are agreeing with the standard that GOD has established, it is far from judgement, it is warning someone that they are in danger in hopes of turning them from it before it is too late. With that intent, it is the most loving thing a Christian can do.
Franco how am I judging I’m just saying what the Bible days in other words the Bible is judging you
Franco are you saying the Bible is not the word of god are you saying it was changed
They skipped Revelations where it says homosexuals won't inherent the Kingdom
Of course they did, their reading proficiency only lasts until the text doesn’t fit their delusional “needs”.
@@sr.mental5876 True
❤ love this!
In Middle English and Early Modern English a unicorn is any one horned animal . It this case it is almost certainly a one horned rhino.
George Jarrold that’s the point....they talk about unicorns but they weren’t actually seeing unicorns back then. Sodom doesn’t mean homosexuality. That’s the point
@@redneckgirl679 well they certainly knew about Rhinos. The inhabitants of Sodom were guilty of sinful conduct in many ways and one they all shared was the unnatural lust for homosexuality. They knew it was not in accordance with the natural order of things as ordained by God, but they made no attempt to control themselves and were shameless. Why do you think that Sodom had no connection with homosexuality?.
Or more like a one horned mutant goat
@@forthfarean you geeksneed to read dont take some homophobes words as truth
@@forthfarean first off all the inhabitants were not homsexual
They r trying to understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit
Corinthians 2:14-16
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God (bible) but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, 'Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?'"
Except god isn't real.
Cocoo262 the spirit of god is not the Bible lol
Dave Miller 😂😂😂😂
AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!! YES!!
Oh I didn't fully get this a year ago. Thank God I only plucked one of my eyes out!
There missing the fact that it literally says in the New Testament “A man shall not be with a man” 💀
Actually the new testament in the original Greek says no such thing. If your version does, then it's been mistranslated. These speakers know what they're talking about.
Corinthians 11:6
"For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head." Also says
@@MusicalRaichu Leviticus 18 and 20
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13.
@@somemexicangardener6933 that's the old testament, not the new. we no longer follow ancient Israelite rules.
In any case, the concern isn't homoxesuality. It didn't say "don't lie with the same secs", nor even "men don't lie with men". It said not to lie with a male specifically "as you bed a woman", a male should not take a woman's role.
Because we don't have that concept today, we mistakenly map it to the closest concept we have. But you need to distinguish patriarchal norms that existed in ancient times from categories like "the same secs" that did not exist until recent times.
All this is irrelevant though. More importantly, imposing an obsolete rule on people today risks angering God: "Why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?" Acts 15.10
@@MusicalRaichu Jesus who, is the bases of New Testament rules followed the Old Testament the difference between them is not in all rules the Old Testament still applies.
This lecture should have been called, 'A progressive view of the Bible.' There clearly is an attempt to 'redefine'.
Exactly. When I see something in the Bible that is teaching me how to live and don't like it or disagree with it, I assume I am wrong, not the other way around.
Luke Ducklow and why if i might ask? Reason first, then belief
A progressive view of the bible may very well be the truth of the bible. The sacred veracity of the word of God should not be questioned. The malevolent and patriarchal interpretation of the bible, however, should thoroughly be investigated. It may be that we have all been tricked into believing ideas and agendas rather than the truth of God's word.
Robin Marie the word of God might not be the one of the Bible. Just think about that. However I m sure that God exists and gave us our reasonable mind as his most precious give. So never just listen to what other people say or have written down.
Norris Hanes I don't know how you could construe this any other way then literally in terms of how they read it. I agree with the lecture having bias, but there's nothing wrong with the readings. Offering up a woman (property) to be raped instead of a man (considered a person) supports the idea that violating a person sexually was the problem. Also take into account the other sodom references and it seems clear.
When he is going over the Ezekiel reference about Sodom, he neglect the last phrase... 'and did detestable things before me'.
These 'detestable things' are defined all over the Bible... some include
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:9-10)."
FYI if you look up what the word is used to refer to throughout the old testament, it's most common use is in reference to idolatrous practices. it's second most common use (mostly in Proverbs) is unjust hurtful behaviour. In a few cases in the latter prophets, the two are linked.
Actually one of the "detestable things" was seafood (Deut 14.10). So I don't think God wiped them because of their callous disregard for people's welfare but because of their diet. Maybe those towns had a chain of seafood restaurants.
@@MusicalRaichu It said fins and scales as it was regarding to the mammals of the ocean, eating these animals would have been unclean, however if it had scales and fines it would be fine, so for instance you couldn't eat a crocodile or a dolphin for instance as they are missing one or the other, they must have both like fish do.
@@mr.chicken.186 i know. i was poking fun at the idea that when Ezekiel said the town was doing "toevah" it meant they were doing one particular toevah when there is no evidence for it. You could just as easily say it was because of toevah food.
Rather, the word is primarily associated with idolatry and secondarily with unjust behaviour like what Ezekial had just described. It makes more sense that toevah refers in this case to this callous disregard for people's welfare.
Don’t forget they used a “Revised” version of the Bible too and not the KJV, which uses the word “abomination.”
In praise of the vulnerable. Lifting you up in honor and courage. BIGGEST SUPPORTER, ALLY, HUMAN. Bless you.
Listen to what God says not what 2 humans say
Can i please point out that that congressman is a great representation of WHY WE KEEP CHURCH AND STATE SEPARATE
You can’t separate a politician from his values. Even if they are religious values.
A person with bad value is a person with bad values regardless of why.
As a basis for acceptance in heaven why wasn’t the condition of “Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God?” and “ Did you accept Him as your Personal Saviour?” EVER come up...
Teresa Saldana they took it out of their bible so they can say this.
For Real! I hated the try-to-be funny "bit" about unicorns in the beginning. It wasn't funny and we are saved by Grace alone in faith in the finished work of Jesus. Can you still struggle with sin or even homosexuality and still be accepted yes, but you should constantly be transformed into the image of Christ. The Bible should be transforming you to the image of God, not man transforming the Bible to fit their own needs.
That’s exactly the point. They’re saying that those aren’t the things that matter.
Thankyou
What about the Billions who have lived and died way before
christ?
It's funny how people in the comments misinterpret the point of this talk.
yes these pea brain sized liberals aren't that smart.
It’s amazing how they take parts of the Bible and add their own. Those two guys wasn’t just walking and looking around for a place to sleep! Read the WHOLE chapter!!!
@@donniesimon9194 highly agree!
@@IsraelCountryCube It's funny how you call us "pea brain" when you believe in a fairytale. The bible is completely fiction.
B-RYE its funny how you come onto a Christian page then spew hate and expect people to listen. Im not a republican and im still Christian
affirming sin is terrible deed to be guilty of.
I love how the premise is “the Bible doesn’t say what you think it does” but ends with a twist “why would you listen to what the Bible says, it’s outdated.” Pick a thesis folks. You can’t make both arguments at once as one presupposes the other is not true.
God loves these people too. Pray for them. God loves all people, he said come one, come all, come as you are and I will carry your heartache, troubles, and I will walk with you through them. GOD loves everyone...come as you are.
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They need it
They need it
I will pray for you and your hateful ways. Please see that being LGBTQ+ is being true to oneself.
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In the first minutes,it feels like he is promoting a work-based approach to salvation
Sorry but the argument used here does not strike me as very logical or correct.
"Its important to read the Bible in context."
*proceeds to take out of context every quote from the Bible.*
"You can't read the Bible literally."
*proceeds to interpret Galatians 3:28 literally. (Also out of context.)*
People let's not forget that when Satan tempted Jesus he quote Scripture to Him.
A book inspired by a god would not need context. It would be clear and simple and when translated, would be translated perfectly. But that didn't happen so maybe it wasn't inspired by anything other than primitive men wanting to control others.
@@joecoolioness6399 1st what leads you to think it would not need context? Everything needs context. So your claim that a book written by God shouldn't need context needs evidence to support it. After all the very first thing Satan did when talking to Eve was to take what God said out of context. Genesis 3:1.
2nd The Bible is very clear on the things that it wants to make very clear. And other areas it leaves ambiguous on purpose. After all it does say that God shames the wise with what seems to be foolish. 1 Corinthians 1:27 and makes wise men's knowledge foolish Isaiah 44:25. And it says that the knowledge of God is like a fragrance of death to those who reject Him. 2 Corinthians 2:16.
I know many preachers love to quote 1 Corinthians 14:33 to say that God is not a God of confusion but they take that verse out of its context. That verse was with regard to how the gathering of believers should be done.
If you actually read the Bible, you would know “those men” were angels coming to get Lot out of the city because God was going to destroy the city. God told Abraham about it before the situation you mentioned happened.
they were angels and depraved inhabitants of the city were requiring Lot to deliver angels to them for their depraved goals. what a shame all this presentation on ted!!! same depraved mind to please depraved people of now days...
@@sunray535 how the heck these two ted perverts concluded that two strangers from the bible were two committed to each other homosexuals???? these two ted folks are tooo fkcung much!!!!!
Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler he did that to give humans free will. All of the world’s chaos and destruction is caused by Satan combined with the wicked will of humans. To live in a perfect world, we would need to be robbed of this free will. All God has wanted from the beginning was to live happily with humans, hence literally the WHOLE Bible. What he chooses to do is allow a way for those who want to live with him eternally to do so, through his son Jesus Christ. I don’t know if that really answers your question but I tried.
@@albusdumbledore8173 agreed.
2nd Timothy 4: 3-4
As far as Lot knew, at the time, they were men. And they may have just been human messengers from God. The language is unclear.
Otherwise, why wouldn't Lot assume that the angels of God could handle THEMSELVES, in a crowd. Heck "angels" as u understand them, would just ascend on Lot, directly, without having to pass by the townsfolk, first.
I defiantly don't believe most of what they say in this video. Some of the facts are just way off. That being said, the Bible teaches love. Judging people isn't our place. It is up to God to determine right and wrong and our job to love everyone. We have MUCH greater problems in this world that need to get as much attention as gays get. They are people and deserved to be loved.
I hope Christ Jesus has mercy on this teaching and teachers. I KNOW that they are teaching a twisted wicked doctrine. REPENT AND STOP LIVING A LIE. These people need to get serious.
Oh? Are you a historian with a background in Judeo-Christian mythology?
i couldn't have said it better that's what they should have talked about to love thee neighbor.Especially when there examples went from an angry mob to the whole city.The second one not to judge just as you said. The third one was talking about the after life not your life on earth. That's the life god will judge the one on earth
Jesus Christ have mercy on them
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Jesus had two dads
Imagine talking about misinterpreting the Bible while you misinterpret the Bible
Rather than making an unsupported assertion, it would be helpful if you explained specifically what you think they misinterpreted and why you disagree. That way maybe someone reading your comment might actually learn something.
just be nice to the people who have done nothing wrong and let them do what they like as long as it is not hurting anyone (including themselves) physically and or emotionally and respect the religion they chose
Edit: welp the replies turned into a mixed bag of arguments (some who agree and some who don't and that's perfectly ok) so have fun reading through it
try matthew 22.40 and romans 13.8-10. the bible says pretty much the same thing.
@@MusicalRaichu ah i see, Thank you for the info
@@MusicalRaichu Loving someone does not mean allowing someone to live a sinful lifestyle. Loving someone means you are willing to tell them what they don't want to hear and what they are doing is harmful, even if it only affects themselves.
Luke 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (particularly 6 and 7)
@@ethanisapickle9818 you shouldn’t judge people who feel different as you. People don’t choose who to love. Let God be the one guiding them to their purpose. The importance here is to praise and worship God every day of our lives as well as to not sin as to the 10th commandments. Loving God and every person on the world regardless of the sins they do is our job. God’s job is to say the final word on those people. As none of us have seen what will happen beyond death and what God may or not do.
Agree 💯
This video should be called
"What we think the bible says about homosexuality"
probably right, but then the bible should also be renamed "what a bunch of dudes think god said"
Thats why we should read the bible with the explanation of our holy fathers like St John St Vasileios... etc so nobody makes a new religion or be a dude or judge the others so easily to protect his opinion.
Or rather "what we think the bible should say about homosexuality"
Kevan-----i've been saying this for the past 20 years..........hasn't gotten me anywhere
Miles Steele right
GOD's love is greater than any sin.
As long as there is a serious will for repentance
1 John 2:4
If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.
True, God's love is greater than your sin, BUT staying in sin while knowing you're sinning is nothing to be proud of. And I'm not one to talk either because I'm guilty of this as well, but at least I am making efforts to stop, are you?
Thank you God bless
@@Brother_Antony_NPDsurvivor There are no conditions for God's love. It is.
@@carolynfranklin1447 You're absolutely right but I think that there're choices that we make by which we expel God from our own created world lest we risk being irresponsible for our freedom of choice. I believe that God Himself respects our freedom of choice as humans.
This is why one MUST read the Bible for themselves and pray for the truth and understanding because these people are the EXACT representation of Matthew 7:15
I read the Bible for myself and prayed for truth and understanding. I ended up thinking what they say in the video (which I found later by chance). That means people like you are the false teachers.
@@MusicalRaichu What you're saying: "I ended up with my opinion. Now you come along and contradict it. That means people like you are the false teachers." Are you even listening to the soundness of this "argument"?
@b.t.c6419 Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:11
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Roman's 1:26-27
Thanks for this speech! 😊😇 You made my day, my life is worth it!
Did they tickle the ears?
How by Disgracing God word to you??? Great job!
@@gemguy6812 when your mere beliefs don't align with reality maybe it's time you reviewed your beliefs, or at least stopped passing those off as fact
“Statistically speaking homosexuality is not a priority for the Bible.” What?! What does that even mean?
Maximus Octavius Maximus Octavius She is referring to the fact that homosexuality is rarely brought up in the Bible. Her stating that homosexuality is mentioned in 1% of the Bible is a fact of numerical data and is therefore a statistic. They are assuming that worrying about what other people do in bed, should not be a christian priory because it does not appear to be a priority in the Bible. It’s equivalent to how the Bible briefly mentions avoiding unclean animals and mixed fabric, yet no one actually does.
Pretty obvious what it means.
Shawnee Chavez there trying to act like just because it’s not in there a lot it doesn’t exist that’s not how u should see it
Well, to make the point clearer, Jesus' words represent less than 0.3 percent of the Bible, so apparently what He says is insignificant too. This presentation is awful.
@@shawneechavez7681 they're not understanding the basic new testament old testament theology
I am not sure that Lot offering his daughters to the mob was any more than him trying to shame said mob. Part of the bad manners of the mob was that they wanted Lot to deliberately expel two guests. I would surmise that when you accept guests in your home, then you're also liable to protect them. The mob was asking Lot to violate a very strong social rule. He rightly said "no" to the crowd. When he offered his daughters, I think it might have been another way of saying something like, "Look do you want my daughters? You KNOW I can't give up guests that have entered my home, right? So, would you like family members of mine as an alternative?" Again, I'd guess he was really shaming the mob and that there was no way this guy would truly put his daughters out there. If I am right--and I certainly might not be--it was a shrewd way of telling the mob, "You can't do what you'd like to right now; not gonna happen."
To me, that's the 'context' of what this is communicating and context is so important. To realize what a phrase meant in the place and time it was spoken is just one example of how this is important. The mob made an offer to Lot that he could not agree to by asking him to give up his guests. After refusing, Lot then notched it up a bit and made them a counteroffer that the mob could not take. I'd guess that the folks speaking for the mob were thinking something like, "No, we don't want your family members. That would lead to a blood feud. We just want your guests."
Anyway, just one perspective, but I enjoy seeing things like this that don't necessarily question validity, but examine what something really meant when it has typically been taken only one way or in limited ways.
John R I like your perspective on this A whole lot. Thanks for sharing!
Ya, and later Lot has sex with his daughters. Real "straight arrows" that Lot family.
So he offers the mob his daughters? No wonder Lot's place was so popular with out of town visitors and tourists. What did the mob finally settle for? Lot? Live stock?
Well, I think the offer was made but was made as an offer that really could not be accepted. I think Lot's point was something along the lines of "You can't have my guests so do you expect me to offer up my own family as a substitute?" I don't really know what actually happened but it just doesn't make sense to me that he'd truly offer up his daughters. I am not sure there are many people anywhere, and especially not from a Middle-Eastern-based honor culture, who would really offer up family. Again, I think this was Lot showing how unreasonable the request was. I just wish we could truly know what really happened. All we can do is to read what was written, consider the times being talked about, anything that helps us see the context, and do our best to interpret. I think there are many things in the Bible that are not necessarily meant to be taken as literally as the words make them sound...can't prove that either of course.
+stan frymann his daughters got him drunk and raped him, but reframe it as his fault with your superficial understanding of men and women.
Please help. My grandson says he is a girl. He wants me to call him..she/her and granddaughter. I'm a Christian. Do I call him those pronouns and say he is my granddaughter now? I'm so torn. Help me.
Christ calls us to love and to care for one another, by affirming her identity and helping her, you are loving her as she truly is as God calls us to do.
THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR SON. If she wants to be a girl, respect her, it’s not a sin, god never said it was a sin.
No, don't lie for them and give into their delusion! Not only do the best child psychologists say doing that is the WORST thing to do, and you're supposed to lovingly affirm their true gender (watch videos from the channel Mass Resistance), but thousands of ex-LGBT members say the same thing. There's nothing wrong with being a handsome young man. He has demons affecting him. My testimony: After being an atheist for 8+ years, and married to another female, I got the urge one day to say out loud "IF there is an Almighty God that does NOT wish us pain or sorrow, please bring me truth, I wish to know you exist". Then God immediately started bringing me the answers I had been searching 8-11 YEARS for! I witnessed Him take control of my internet and the rest of my reality; He first proved to me that demons exist (I called them "inter-dimensional beings"), then He proved His own existence, which I later found to be Jesus Christ. As soon as I found Jesus at the end of 2020, He IMMEDIATELY took away my transgenderism, bisexuality, depression, daily suicide attempts, self harm, bulimia and anorexia; and He did this all without me asking Him to, because THAT'S how merciful and loving He is! Praise God! I suggest pleading the blood of Jesus Christ over him every single day, and binding and rebuking the demons affecting him daily, and pray against those demons in Jesus' name. Pray for his protection and to feel comfortable as the boy he is and to reject those demonic thoughts and feelings. Lovingly affirm his true gender and never contribute to his confusion by using dishonest titles, use his real name & gender. Lovingly feed him the Word, and maybe even find the right time to mention that it's demonic & try to guide him to deliverance of demons and salvation. This is a spiritual battle 100%! God bless you in Jesus' name❤
@@chiquitabanana9217 God tells us not to lie. You're telling a Christian to sin. Shameful.
@@Allergiess Get thee behind me satan, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ! God tells us CLEARLY it's a sin! Jesus himself tells us how God created us!!! Shame on you!
Thank you! I am so happy you both analyze these scriptures.
Be on guard for false teachers who give people what they want to hear instead of the truth of the sound doctrine.
Who's the true teacher then? How do you know that that's really the true teacher and not a false one? Other people are utterly convinced that their teacher is true. You're probably utterly convinced that your teacher is true yes? How can you possibly say for certain that you know that you're right and haven't been misled, When others are convinced of the very same thing? Because the true teacher told you so? Have you ever met the true teacher in person? Have you met them at all? have you met this teacher only in your head, only through what other people have said about this teacher, or only through your books?
@@jdavi6241 Jesus proved to be true in all he said and did, he backed up everything he said and did on the eye witnesses account of hundreds and hundreds of people. He fulfilled prophecies 400-1,000+ years before he ever became flesh. No it's not just blind faith it's all intellectual. Some of it to where you cant even explain it like how the old and new testament have 30 or so authors over thousands of years and doesnt contradict itself. Have you actually read the bible to see if it's true?
@@evans436 Actually some translations of the bible have contradicted itself. There are multiple translations of the Bible, and you never know if you got the right one. Also, people rely on the old testament when judging others, but the new testament when judging themselves. Care to cover any of those?
@@jdavi6241 agreed. I don't care for all these shallow comments drawing the conclusion that they are "false teachers" without stating where they went wrong.
There is no forgiveness for blasphemy.
Your taking the sodom story out of context by not mentioning how Abraham negotiates with God to save them
Dave Nelson that’s true but he still does literally kill the whole city. Which is mass genocide by the way. The city most likely had children and babies in it as well :)
Justin Lugo
Yeah your right about the mass kill, of everyone, inc children. But that was also the case in the flood/Noah story or in the last plague killing of the firstborn story.
There are lots of stories of the Israelites killing ethnicity on Gods instruction or with assistance.
But technically they would have all had be the same race/ethnicity for it to be genocide.
Tala Habern
What's the point you think it doesn't change?
Woah that's a crazy good point that one.
@@justinlugo3732 funny you mentioned that, their is an equally horrifying reality to what happends when you don't kill your enemy in the world of an eye for an eye -which we no longer live in by the way. Simply put, they come back to kill you. But now we have God to take care of that so we don't have to kill people and living things everytime we sin haha.
Not all people who take issue with homosexuality transgenderism etc. are hateful and wish to harm or demean others. This always seems to be the context people use to make the acceptance argument. Would love to see actual intellectual debates/conversations on this matter.
Very true. Not so long ago, people were solicited to show "tolerance" on these issues. Now nothing but complete compliance and willingness to participate in promotion will spare you a shaming if not outright cancellation.
@Knot Sew Your personal guess as to someone else's "tolerance" is immaterial. The only question is whether the following observation is factual and correct: "Not so long ago, people were solicited to show "tolerance" on these issues. Now nothing but complete compliance and willingness to participate in promotion will spare you a shaming if not outright cancellation." I suggest it is. And obvious, to boot.
I wish society was ready for that. But every time I talk to people with those views - when it comes down to it they either don't want to admit or hate the idea that some people are queer, and that there always will
Yes you're right
Where did all the applause come from?
Could it have been a lie?
Begins with a skit mocking God and his judgement.
Calls The Bible not serious, yeah, these people are def false prophets
Both these people misunderstand the message behind this
@@Feliciant Who us? or the people that in the Ted skit?
Amaimon Moore Amaimon Moore you two, their message is clear to me, it mimics Christians that only use the Bible literally when it most suits them, it uses the skit show cos these Christians are hypocrites and also show overall that the Bible can be interpreted in many ways, you don’t have to compromise you’re beliefs or your OWN identity, life or morals because one line in a huge book said so, we live in a world where the western world is diverse with different interpretations of the Bible, of religion in general and a democracy (not saying you can’t disagree). The skit is there to support people who are close to Christians like this, and (probs in poor taste) welcome the audience. It is simply trying to support those in the LGBTQ community in saying that they can still believe in their religion, not all LGBT people are atheists
@@amaimonmoore4498 It is in a few and it isn't in others. Really depends on which you subscribed too. Also as far as the Leviticus one goes, you can't use that one unless you rely on the others. No excuse, and no cherry picking. So instead rely on the new testament it does talk about it there as well.
Not to mention according to what I read. Apparently, it can also be used as a punishment if done in a certain way. So not just a sin.