Finding Identity: An LGBTQ Pastor’s Journey | David Norse | TEDxPhiladelphia
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2016
- “I was encouraged and on fire for the Lord and I felt a call to become a Presbyterian pastor and I also knew that I was gay, and that’s a paradox if ever there was one, and I had to figure it out.” In his talk David Norse, the first openly gay man to be ordained as a Presbyterian Pastor in Philadelphia, follows his journey from around the campfires at church camp, to Woody’s gay bar, to becoming a pastor at Broad Street Ministry. He illustrates and debunks the use of Scripture to exclude LGBTQ people from the church, and his personal story of how he reconciled being a gay man and also being Christian. From the societal shift to support same sex marriage within the church to the revolution of the Christian identity and LGBTQ identity coming together, David invites us to ask questions and challenge what we know and believe about God and the LGBTQ community.
David Norse is the first openly gay man to be ordained as a Presbyterian Pastor in Philadelphia. An Oregon native, Norse pursued personal wholeness through the intersection of his Christian and LGBTQ identity. David is a graduate of Lewis & Clark College and Princeton Theological Seminary and has served as Pastoral Associate at Broad Street Ministry since September 2013. In his work, Norse challenges the narratives that cut communities off from wholeness and thriving. In so doing his work extends radical hospitality to the most vulnerable adults in Philadelphia.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
Behold and Welcome to the most polarized comment section in youtube.
Snarklog Heckermin thanks I hate it, where’s my free T-shirt for surviving this wacky place?
Kitty X I want a free mug
@Scriptural Truth you want some milk because you seem salty
Fitting top comment for me
@@KittyThaliaX23 i want a keychain
My problem with this is I have failed to hear him acknowledge Jesus, his relationship with Jesus and what Jesus has said to him personally. He is following religion .
@Julisa C....beautifully said sister...
Are you kidding? He spoke passionately about how deeply he has felt the love of Jesus. Clearly you weren't listening.
He is following his own desires not Jesus christ
He is following his feelings. That’s a lot of blood on his hands. Because God will judge not just on how he is composing his own gospel but a lot of blood on his hands from the way many people are receiving the message. May God open ears and eyes to see and hear and show them the truth. I’m not judging anyone but I will say to find a spirit filled church that know how to pray in the spirit and cast out whatever keeping bondage. Satan is very real and I can see the jezabel spirit flowing in that place deceiving my heart just aches because I know there’s people in there that are genuinely seeking Gods face and dont know how.
@@heewatamsuen7252 preach
Encouraging, I needed a little hope, thank you.
He did not bring up the gospel once or how to find Jesus
I’m sorry. This is not hope. The only hope is in Jesus Christ!
I am bi and Christian. Having struggled with the same "contradiction," I can tell you it is no easy feat to come at peace with (even I still struggle with it every now and again). All my life I have grown up in a Baptist church and have been told the same things that, no doubt, some person will reply to my comment with. All essentially rules and none talking about the love of God. When my home church found out, very recently, I had a girlfriend they attempted to reach out to "pray for me" and have contacted my parents. My parents are, obviously, against it but still love me. They made it apparently clear that they would never accept it and that breaks my heart (but they still love me of course). However, all I can think about is how happy she makes me and that they don't see my happiness because they only see our outward appearances. At college I have found a, somewhat accepting, church and we attend regularly. I have encouraged her to come with me to our college group and, despite the potential prejudice we could experience, she still continues to come with me because she loves me and wants to learn. I write this all out to show those that it is possible and to give encouragement. Don't give up when times seem tough, God always has a plan for everyone.
thank you for posting this.
At least that means you can make a choice to date someone of the opposite gender easier.
Emily Vogel v
JustJake At least you have the choice too disregard and leave a loved relationship too make the choose that is “Right” and fall in love with another person. You see how this is a faulty thinking you fall in love with people bases off a lot of things you can’t just choose to date the opposite gender
I am Bi and was raised in a Baptist home. All my uncles are pastors, and my papa. So I fully understand your struggles. I am put to my siblings and my closest friends. They all accept me. I fear the same with my parents. I know they will always love me. But I know they wont fully accept it.
“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”
Matthew 16:24
Exactly!!!
@Archangel Antonio , is there a 'P' now? Or are you making fun?
@@joymeyer4730 there is no p
Isn’t it LGBTQPAPAKAMANSHDNSNENQKSOS7WJJEKEJENNWHWNJW THATS THE CORRECT ONE RIGHT?
@@eganisabuffellen No It's LGBTQIA+
The World has change. ..but the WORD is the same today, yesterday and forever. ..
The bible has been changed plenty.
@rayjames303 Books have been left out, there's been translations which invariably change the text just by virtue of how language works. You can't seriously think such an old document has gone entirely unchanged.
@@Maksie0 No mam. You got it twisted. Read it first
@@Maksie0 it hasn’t. The meaning is the same. Stuck with king James
@@Maksie0 Give me some examples of what’s been changed about the word of God.
If only I could find an accepting SDA church, sometimes I feel like I have to choose between my bisexuality and God.
[EDIT: To all the self-proclaimed Christians telling me to choose between my identity and my faith, I hope you know you’re the reason why so many of younger people don’t go to church. You make it hard to worship God in an environment where people decide to make it their business to judge. Leave that job to God.]
Ambo Walupime I know how you feel, it's the worst
Ambo Walupime Small world. Cool to run into an adventist. I wish you the best in your life and hope you find happiness where you go.
No, just bisexuality and Christianity. The Bible explicitly states that homosexuality is wrong. God, on the other hand, doesn't care (and she had nothing to do with that piece of shit called the 'Bible').
If you believe in God, then you accept it as the creator of all things. Ergo, bisexuality is God's creation.
dimentia420 By that reasoning mass murder rape and pedophilia are also God's creations so are you saying those are allowed under Christian rules?
There is power in the name of Jesus
To break every chain!
AMEN!
Love Win amen, linked vids my account
Obviously he doesn't care about the power cuz his chains are properly tied
There's no heart that He can't win! No shame, no past no kind of sin! No power on Earth, high or below can keep us from His brilliant throne! He is Grace finished indeed! He calls to every part of me. Now every lie inside of me packs their bags to run and flee! There is power in the name of Jesus! To break every chain!
Amen!
There are only two kinds of people in the end: Those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "Thy will be done."
C. S. Lewis
When we see or read Scripture through the eyes or soul of men, we get religion. But if we read Scripture through CHRIST we get the truth. Billy Graham said once, when he was asked, "What's wrong with society, is that it wants to make GOD
to its image, instead of it been to the image of GOD.
At the end, man's religion is man making GOD to its image. And at the end what really counts, is going to be when we go before THE LORD.
GOD bless
@Laura Streeter
If I didn't had a soul, I would consider what your implying. So how can we prove that there is no GOD? And, do people have souls? Or, are we just biological chemicals and matter? Are we just a bunch of million of cells put together randomly? Does the solar system is just a randomly group of celestial bodies out there with no purpose, just going around? Everything that exists has a purpose, other wise it would not exist. But coming back to human beings. Are we just a creatures that pop out of nothing without a purpose?
Trying to find GOD outside the Bible?! Why does everything in existence has a purpose? And who made it? Why those the planet need four seasons to support life? Why do some animals as soon as they are born they do certain things? Who gave them or put their instincts in those animals? And they all and everything else has an order, otherwise it would not come to been.
Who arranged all of the nature around us? Was it all spontaneous and came to be on its own? And if so, why isn't their another planet in our solar system that can support life? What kind of proof does some need of GOD? The proof of GOD is within us, we bear his image. Whether we choose to believe it or not. And that's another proof of HIM and HIS image of HIM. We are free to believe in HIM or not. That's why in the ancient world some men would declare themselves gods. That's why we have the Greek mythology amongst other myths of different cultures since the beginning of human civilization. Isn't weird that since the beginning of civilization some men felt themselves as been as gods? Why was that? And even now some people feel themselves as gods? Looking for evidence of GOD outside the Bible, just look in the mirror, and ask your self. Why do I exist, what made my body to have a perfect composition of cells that they know what their doing and each one knows it purpose? How is that possible?
And we were given freedom to believe in GOD or not. When some refuse to believe that there is no GOD. It is granted to them, and they don't believe. If something does not exist, why argue that it doesn't exist? The things that don't exist do not exist we don't even acknowledge them, cause they simply don't exist. Why do I believe in GOD, cause I know HIM. Like I said in the beginning, if didn't had a soul I would consider what was implied about GOD not existing.
GOD bless you.
Laura Streeter Why should we take the word of someone who doesn’t believe in our religion to tell us what we should believe about our religion?
Thank you clear and true
preach!
Proverbs 14:12
*There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.*
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions. ~ 2 Timothy 4:3
Amen
This speaker's false teaching confirms that passage of Scripture.
lets just say i was uhh sobbing by the end. this was so powerful, and something i so desperately needed to hear. thank you, and god bless.
@bruhitsjess ikr same. be you who feel like and who you want to be, even if a lot of people say "homosexuality is a sin". if god hates homosexuality, he wouldn't have created the people that inherit it.
William Dionicio im sorry but being raised a christian ive heard all of this before. the only thing these words have caused me are anguish, shame, guilt, anxiety and made me feel horrible for trying to be my authentic self. this is a horrible message to be spreading to people because you know what, we're still people. we're living breathing humans, and homosexuality isnt any "desire" nor should it be treated as such. if thats the case then heterosexuality as well should be treated as desire. i have chosen to stop believing because of people like you, making me feel out of place and uncomfortable standing in a church. so please shut up, because those words will never solve any "problem" you think there is.
God bless? God will not bless disobedience, rebellion and sinful behavior.
@@aitosaito311 Manipulated emotions and no righteousness!
...the gayborhood. I’m cryin’
that's a neighborhood i wanna live in lmfao
Can I move there?
Just cause a pastor says it’s right doesn’t mean it is. Just because God said it’s wrong means it is.
Jesus loves you so much repent and trust in him and you will be saved !!
"Whoever you are. Whatever you do in life, I will always love you" How parents should be 😭❤️
Even if he/she is a serial killer and paedophile? Think carefully before making statements. Even love has rules.
@@samono7726 Personally (and you do not have to agree whatever), if I had a child who choose to be someone like that, a horrific person, I would still love them. I would be 100% disappointed and would excommunicate from them. But I would no doubt love my child for who I know them as and who they were before they did horrible things to other people.
Em, you're absolutely insane.
@@Peter-hz5nk I know, but I'd like to think I'd raise a child better than to have them do horrible things to people
sam Ono you should love your child no matter what!
Historically, Christians have not been the most supportive we could've been towards the LGBTQ+ community. As children of God, we are all created in his image. It's sad that many in this community have commited suicide for not feeling God loves them. We need to show them, regardless of if you agree with their choices, that God loves them as he created them and that he doesn't hate his children.
British Fire God hates no human being however he does hate Sin. We can’t change the word of God because we struggle with denying our fleshly desires🤷🏿♀️
And maybe just eventually tell them to repent.
Vikki Carr yet I bet you eat shrimp and that’s also considered an abomination. I guess you only read what best for you and ignore everything else 🙄
Amen
Patricia Wardlow thank you for making my point 😌
He talks about how love changed him, but how did Jesus change him as an individual?
This may need more than one viewing & perhaps even discussion with people you might not have known in your routine life. Being a whole person is part of what Christ calls us to be.
Very thoughtful and coherent. Thank you for sharing.
I'm not LGBTQ, but my soul absolutely needed this. I needed this validation as an ally who works with gender questioning youth every day.
I am also an ally that's not LGBTQ, and I needed this too
Romans 1:28
[28]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
johnson augustine also Corinthians 6:9-11 🤣 sure romans 1:28 is valid but the Bible exceeds you renounce behavior like that
Appreciate you standing for the Word.
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Romans 1:29
johnson augustine pray for this man to find Jesus.
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' [23] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
The irony of someone that cuts and pastes a verse like this and thinks it applies to others.
Um you might won't to read a few verses above the ones posted be cause I don't think you know what they are referring to.
Mary Amaryllis That’s called quoting, not referring. Who knows how you came up with the above scriptures changing the meaning of this verse. Maybe you’re thinking of a different book??
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (KJV).
@@johnmark150 And also …18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that- and shudder. 20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?…James 2:19
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“A horrible and shocking thing
has happened in the land:
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The prophets prophesy lies,
the priests rule by their own authority,
Jeremiah 5
They were judged as the unregenerate will be.
Yeah, those bigots have been teaching lies to the church for far too long, I’m glad that their teaching is being unmasked
Uh you know that the Jeremiah verse is referring to the keeping of Sunday as a holy day, going against God's Law?
As a senior trans male to female, I found a church that 100% supports me
AnOpen Thought That's so wonderful! I'm really happy for you in finding an affirming, loving church home! :)
Foxtrot Solo pray repent come out of world and its ways pathway to outerdarkness is holding truth in darkness,
AnOpenThought be who God created you not wannabe, just because decieved people accept you dosent mean God's agrees with ungodliness it is Written
Let's see if they'll support you in the lake of fire..with all due respect.
AnOpenThought wickedness
Dear comment section... The ability to read does not make you inteligent... I never think I am right in anything, but hope. If you say, that the Bible is God’s word but you do not consider that it was written down in the past by people who lived at that time in a culture that was different than ours, you are not considering that it was written in other language, culture where words did not meant the same. Have you ever learned language? Have you ever translated a text that seemed that it meant more in the other language or it means more in yours? Have you ever go across a book in a library or bookshop what meant a little bit different for you than some one other? We are different, we learnt in different places and different times. How could we understand fully God’s word if we are still not understanding God’s created world?
That last sentence tho. That hit home.
Gods word is living and provides life, it’s not just an old history book
@@alexnadermoisesalmonte4222 And no one said that it is. It is God's word written down and translated many times I believe most of the time with good intensions. But we are created we are not the creator, we CAN fail to write or see with the hands and eyes of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not a book that you can understand word by word, it is not its never expiring word, I may be wrong, but I would definitely have lost my belief if I would read it that way.
It is not a history book, it was written in history.
@@szushycat The Bible does give us an understanding of the world we live in and we have all the original manuscript to refer back to for context. We also have history of the time to have a better understanding of the culture. God's word makes everything clear. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). God also tells us that my people are destroyed by a lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).
elijah moore Have you ever learned neurobiology from the Bible? It has not described ever so you should have not. It is not a science book, but science is trying to understand God’s creation. I wrote we are not understanding FULLY the world God created and due to we are not able to connect all of its aspect to His word.
The Corinthians 14 is about preaching and as interesting as it is, it never even mentions the Bible as the source of the preaching. The letter is about how not preach using only your faith but preach with knowledge and thought. It even says that it is better to preach a few word with meaning than many coming only from faith. This part of the Bible also has the bias that women should not preach because of their lack of knowledge that they should learn from their husband. If you look at it at that way, it can even mean women should learn to be able to preach at that time. So if we see this as it was written at a time where women were not able to educate themselves it is not even biased.
Interesting enough, I looked up the letter (Corinthians 14) in my language and read 2 different translation, both of it translated the verse (Corinthians 14 33) the way that the English author world would mean God as a causer instead of a writer and I deffinitely can see that in the English translation also, but I have not seen it as it is out of context.
God is answering all our prayers that this and the future generations have the education and support that we didn't have growing up. 🙏❤🌎
@HONORABLE ENTERPRIZES ... Read Romans 1 verse 18 - 32 .
@Laura Streeter if that's your way of thinking is okay. I think different because I live by faith and it works for me. 🙏❤🌎
@@savedtwice7925 I will 🙏❤
Judgment comes like a thief in the night.
2 Thessalonians 2:1,3 NKJV
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, [3] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
Dexter Quismorio amen
Matthew 7:21-23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
@@Aaaaaayyy18
Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What is the will of The Father?
@@vinyrd50 Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things.
@@harleydad1975 Agree! GB Will
@Wayne lawson God Bless you and may His Peace fill you as you rest in Him!
God does love all of us but Jesus came to set the captives free not to remain as we are. Following Jesus means dying to self and picking up our cross as He did. It's not easy to deny self but with God everything is possible. It is the love preached in the presbytery church that Jesus used to draw me to Him. And led me to reoentence .
thank you for this. I need to find a church where I can be a whole person.
good luck
thank you. :)
may the odds be with you i know you will find it someday :)
Robin Bernal Thank you :) I love the internet. There's so much negativity, but if you look in the right places you can find such positivity and encouragement from strangers :)
your welcome miss ERICA BOURLAND I'm pretty there is a lot person like me in this world :D :D don't lose hope on people.
I'm glad that I help you :) :) :)
Much added and not biblical!
Tim Morgan Exactly
ALL BIBLICAL,, MAKE IT REAL SIMPLE FOR YOUR UNREGENERATE MIND, TURN OR BURN.. SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL FOR YOU..
JAMES BURSON ?
You will regret truth and be held accountable in judgement.
Geez it seems like people who are LGBTQ don’t know what theology is.
This is the most amazing thing I've ever watched! Fills me with so much hope x
HelloItsBella pray repent be born again come out of ways of world, linked vids my account
Sounds to be very little hope. The greatest hope you could imagine is living out your life for Jesus and preaching the Truth which is the Gospel. The Gospel which is found in John 3:16-20. Love Jesus, love people, and hate sin!
@HelloitsBella .... That's actually hopelessness not hope your feeling . But there is hope for you . Please , for the sake of your soul , read the bible . Start with Romans 1 verse 18 - 32 Praying for you here
I loved this so much - thank you! I'm really glad you exist to bring this message of hope to people who have been hurt by the church.
Thumbs down for this message.
@@E.Gabora-rg8ge his comment helped me know other people agree because the thumbs down don't show.
And good on you for understanding context. My partner and I were together for 43 years. We were lucky enough to go to MCC. We were married in that church in1989. We did not get married by law because we would have lost benefits from social security. My partner died last September 28. (No need for sympathy here. She is doing what she needs to do and where, as am I) This is a great talk and gives me such hope.
Lord have mercy on her soul
@@strings-n-keys hi julia, what are your thoughts on this video?
@@janelleallen1081 It amazes me how spiritually blind people can be. What are your thoughts, Janelle?
put 2 Timothy 4:3-4 into context.
My condolences to you.Your partner is in heaven,watching over you.
Responding to this video by posting an out-of-context Bible quote in an attempt to prove it wrong, completely ignoring the part where he addresses the Bible’s alleged homophobia, doesn’t make people want to repent. It makes it look like you’re waiting for God to give you your good noodle star.
considering my name
_please_ dont give me to them
We are all sinners saved by grace. Thank you for this video. I have been struggling since my daughter has married another woman. I'm seeking more information.
Read the Bible m’am :) Jesus actually said ““But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh.”
Mark 10:6-8
I hope that blessed you, I love you! :)
Let her be.
Keep praying for her deliverance!!
@RodrigoTheSpic ...... Amen
@ Tina Grickis .... My friend ...... Please read Romans 1 verses 18 - 32
The “Christians” in these comments are the exact reason I left the church. These type of people are the same reason I ended up in the hospital on suicide watch as well. I only found real happiness and freedom when I was able to finally live as I am. I lost so many people in my life because of it, and I have never regretted that. I lost them, but I gained myself.
💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I am sad and sorry for you that you felt not accepted or loved. But this man lies and a lot of people don’t understand the truth about God and that is that he loves everyone most importantly sinners, as we all are. God does not hate gays or anyone else. God is love and God cannot hate. He gave his son up to die a gruesome death so that whoever believes in him has everlasting life! John 3:16. I am a sinner but just because I believe in Jesus, God sees me as righteous, saved and forgiven. Maybe you didn’t understand that, or maybe just reading these comments makes you think you are not loved or accepted, but the truth is that most of us may not know how to say it, or most of us can’t understand Gods love and compassion for each and everyone of us. But a true friend does not let a friend fall off a cliff, they want to save you. We have to tell you the truth so you can turn away from the cliff Nd walk in the right path to be saved
Seeker Finder no ❤️ I’m very happy just as I am. I don’t care what anyone thinks 🤷🏻♀️. I already lost my family. Random strangers on the internet are not going to change my mind.
Sarah, I’m glad that you found happiness... my comment really is not for now but your eternal future. I’m not trying to convince anyone just giving you information on how it’s not how others treat you that is important but how God loves you.
I really loved this talk... but the comments are a bit scary.
nobbie01 pray repent be born again come out of ways of world, linked vids my account
Donny Hathaway if i wanted views dont you think i would make my own videos ? What would Jesus do ? he would get the Truth out as he did, read Bible, pray repent be cleansed be, born again
Amen, these comments have no chill. Such "Christians."
i love weird comment sections. I sometimes learn more from the comments (about what society is thinking about ) than from the videos.
same
i've watched this three times and am passing this around to my family. this is fantastic!
PLEASE don't teach this to your family it's false teachings
Aaron Gilger are you against homosexuality if so I don’t see what is wrong with it I mean Love is Love lol
1 Corinththians 6:9-10/ all sin is sin
Why spread this abomination?
its false teachings read the bible and understand it from there ok plz don't show with them
What I've learnt that there is one God 🙏 we should believe in one if the world's believe there only one God bless you and have a good day 😘
One of the better TEDx talks on this issue. Would have been nice of him to go more into Romans 1 and explain that contextual debacle but I understand the time constraints and I'm glad he gave resources at the end. And yet, still so many predictable drive-by Fundies in the comment section yelling 'Heresy'.'
>> drive-by Fundies in the comment section yelling 'Heresy'.'
It's clear by their comments that "drive-by" really does fit them. You can tell that they didn't listen to a word David said.
@@carsonfball4 I listened to the entire presentation (20 minutes isn't long and I've listened to much longer).
His deduction (just like his idol Matthew Vines') is incorrect.
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way his deduction is very faulty. he also doesnt say anything about his relationship with jesus lol
@@igotthajuice1246 @ Blakkset Pray for him and Mathew Vines instead of judgment on your brothers?
@@CYBDD Stating their deduction is incorrect isn't judgement that condemns. We are stating their claim is opposite of truth and leaving it at that.
God bless! He loves you as you are. Praise Jesus!
Right at the beginning you said that you like the silly songs but not the serious ones about Jesus. There's your sign.
i think he liked them cuz they were fun? children christian songs like "happy all the time", "father abraham", etc. come to mind
yes indeed, it explains what songs he enjoys.
there's his sign.
what does listening to "silly songs" have to dO WITH ANYTHING.
@@aitosaito311 It has to do with EVERYTHING. If not he wouldn't have mentioned it.
Then he goes on to say "If you are from a religious tradition...I urge you to..." That also speaks volumes. He views Christianity, following Christ, as a religious tradition.
He makes it sound like the laws in the Bible are subject to a popularity contest.
Aren't they though? everyone in every branch of faith takes some over others. You may say you agree with and follow all those laws but i have yet to meet a single person who doesn't pick and choose what they believe or follow.
@@FeelTheLack Who cares?
We were never instructed to place our faith in man, but in the most high.
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way so you are a fundamentalist? What makes you believe that the Bible was inspired by God and not man?
@@FeelTheLack Enter aetheist rage in 3,2,1.....
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way I'm a Buddhist.
1st Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Ephesians 5:11
Its happening just as Paul predicted
I wish this had spanish subtitles, in Latin America there is still lots of homophobia encouraged from christian churches and it would be very useful to help lots of LGBT+ people as lots of them don't want to give up being religious, since for us latinos family and religion is quite important in everyday life.
Jorge Andres you can get the subtitled versions straight from the TED website :)
Hola Jorge. Yo soy mexicano y coincido contigo. Lamentablemente aquí estamos varios pasos atrás. Pero sólo es cuestión de alzar la voz, estoy seguro que hay mucha gente esperando que suceda algún movimiento como este para que se unan.
Dios te bendiga!
@@UzzielGarcia idc if it’s not lgbtqia the supposed “preacher” did not talk about the gospel
"Whichever one of you has committed no sin may throw the first stone at her." - John 8:7
Unless you repent your sin and accept Jesus as your lord you'll not inherent the kingdom of God
He also went on to say Go and sin no more. That’s the part that your missing.
Kelly Yoo no you can judge with RIGHTEOUSNESS. Warning someone of their sin is judging someone with righteousness. But if you partake in that same sin, then it becomes hypocrisy, which in itself is a sin.
@@kellyongme Not from their own works. One gets their righteousness from Christ alone.
Suddenly a stone flew through the air........and Jesus yelled...."MOM"!!!
Amen Pastor David, what a joy and what a blessing to listen to your message just now. David, may the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord lift up His face upon you and give you peace.
@L Cardoso .... The lord will never bless ANYTHING that is sinful . NEVER ! Oh ya ... and he's not a pastor ... he's a liar and a sinner . May God have mercy on his soul .................. and on your soul awsell
Jesus is the cure for homophobia
@Avatar homophobia is very real for a lot of religious people. If they wish to know God they should know Jesus is the cure for their inconvenience.
There is no “cure” for it because it’s not a disease. It’s who some of us are born as
Everyone is born into sin. That is why Jesus died in our place so that we may be saved from our punishment- sin=punishment- but Jesus= our ransom. Our debt is payed! Repent and be reborn in Jesus' name and ye shall have everlasting life in His Kingdom.
Or therapy, that can also "cure" homophobia.
Jesus is also the cure to homosexuality.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
Wonderful, David!!!
It's called a stronghold.
what u mean
@@kadijakemokai2542 the struggle with a specific sin that has deeply manifested in a person's life and can reoccur in the person's life during their journey to deliverance.
Possession. The enemy came to steal, kill and destroy. Identity!!!!!
Raquelnt90 lol this was a video about his journey with his identity... not his journey with “specific sin” 🤷🏼♂️
@@Raquelnt90 Yes you are correct. That is exactly what a stronghold is.
Good for your pastor and your patents.
I love how all these people are on here saying homosexuality is a sin but they still eat pork and lobster and wear clothing of different fabrics. Remember those scriptures are in the same book as the one about homosexuality. If you're gonna be passionate about the Bible be passionate about ALL of it and live by ALL of it.
TO HEHADNONAMENORASOULEITHER,
I LIEK THE PART IN THE BIBLE ABOUT STONING DUMBASSES - BUT I BET """YOU""" WOULD DISAGREE.
Please don’t forget where Jesus came and said he’s hear to change the law, that’s why the New Testament came along. Please read the Bible.
Except everything you said is wrong, in the new testament Jesus declares all foods clean in Matthew. But it’s the same New Testament that condemns homosexuality multiple times. Plz shut ur mouth
@@Vialect Please stop trying to keep people from expressing their opinion.
Jonathan Mimy-Matthews tht statement ignores literally every ting else stated
1 Thessalonians 5:3 NKJV
For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
Dexter Quismorio throw back to the fall of Jerusalem and the warnings by Micah and Isiah
This comment section is scary. If the context is right it clarifies those scriptures. The origin is important because the original language wasn't as specific as modern English. There is nothing there that specifies it as specific or exhaustive. If the implications of detail are correct he IS correct. The gospel accounts were literal but the parts from the Torah and Revelation etc are not. If your going to try that noise explain the Song of Solomon. What God intended of marriage...could be a reach. But he is right.. partnership is mentioned before marriage specifics. If it is not said in clarity and specificity it is better to err on allowing a blessing then to pull it. Seperating wheat from tares in a harvest is God's job not ours. This is a grey area. Only the Holy spirit in the form of revelation can discern. But that kind of reveal is individualistic. This is something for each to push into the Lord themselves to affirm. And not hold against others even if you actually DO know better. God's hand is doing multiple works in many people through this mess. Seek him give Glory to God regardless. Even if you error. Seek. Again seek more preach less. This is not a lesson teachable by human means.
this is it.
Better to be condemned by men than by the wrath of God
growing up i wish i had seen some videos like this it would've absolutely made a difference and knowing that people with similar mindset like mine exist would've made me less lonely
very beautifully done invitation. I learned a lot and felt touched .
He didn’t talk about finding god
About his life and be repenting
This is just telling God that He has to accept you, regardless of His scripture. We are called to lay down our lives and wants and desires for Him.
James FACTS.
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Did you skip the verses about homosexuality
@@celebrimborposting9251 Can you explain to me what this scripture means? Is this scripture not clear as day about how God see's homosexuality?
Romans 26-27 "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."
@@happythoughts7792 Sure, no problem.
This is a passage about the consequences of idolatry, and refers to men who were already with women, and then they left their women, and went with men. This is more like adultery than homosexuality, since it is referring to men who were already with women, and then started leaving their women to go with men. So it is not referring to men going with men, but condemning men who were already in a relationship with women and then left them to go with men (ie. adultery). Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality, but He did speak out against adultery hundreds of times.
The dishonorable passions refers to the people who knew God, but they did not glorify or honor Him as God, nor were thankful. So this passage is NOT about homosexuality, it is about people who don’t glorify God and who don’t like to retain God in their knowledge (Romans 1:28).
@@celebrimborposting9251 He kinda skipped Romans 1. But hey, who am I right. XD
The Jubilant News worry about your own salvation
The Jubilant News what gives you the authority to decided whether or not he’s lying? You’re not God.
I've never had such a cry of relief
Don't lie to yourself dear.
@@cypriansunday21 Amen!
Satan is deceiving you. Don't pay attention to this "Pastor"!
@@cypriansunday21 you first, sweety
Does anyone ever notice, they never say repentance, ever. These pastors always talk about how they feel, or what they were going threw. What does the word of God say. Its not about how you feel.
Eric Day
We just had an entire series on facts over feelings at my church.
You're so right on this one!
Eric Day yes, ”I'm good where I'm at even though God is yelling at me to change I'll just keep being me just because I know that He still loves me”
I'm sorry that your God is so demanding that He can't accept loving, helping and thinking people who just want to bring more love, joy and harmony to our world. Or He might be testing You in a different way than You think He is.
Vojtěch Ptáček if you want more emotions like happiness and depression and anger to block your view of God then just wait for the Antichrist to come and he’ll be your favorite little genie in a bottle. Or are you looking for Joy, Sorrow, Justice, that’s what God “accepts” if that’s what the answer is that you’re looking for. It’s not wrong to have the emotions that I listed above, but to let them take control of you, that’s wrong. The Joy… are states of mind that mold you and are healthy for you as a person, which is what God wants to bring you closer to Him. Homosexuality is an emotion not a state of being; emotions are like a vapor moving here and there, or like shifting shadows, never a solid foundation.
And thats why they come up with the LGBT pastor label. NOT based on the word of God.
I needed this today.
You are loved
Live with the laws of God , repent and give your life to God
My introspection from my experience with Christianity,is that Christian followers will argue about the word of God constantly and which interpretation is considerably the most acurrate. But in my defense I believe that practically any interpretation of the Bible as long as it isn't acultic is true in a sense for that we have all came to the Lord through that interpretation.
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So true
This gave me so much hope.
Bethany Brown pray repent be born again come out of ways of world, linked vids my account
Adam and Eve our first parents stop trying to discourage her! I’m tired of this repent nonsense! Don’t you think she’s probably tried?
@@evanc3160 no my friend Adam and Eve was stating the truth repent and give your entire life to the lord Jesus christ you must be born agian to enter the kingdom of God so dont be decieved by satans lies and deception..
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 Amen
Evan C girl gotta keep on tryin just like the rest of us
Okay I don’t understand how you do “so much studying” on scripture and mix up and twist SIMPLE things.
Ironically, the 20 years I spent as a deeply closeted transwoman were 20 years spent as an atheist (or pretending to be one). I gave up on Christianity around age 15 because other people told me it was incongruous with who I really was.
Within 6 months of coming out, I started attending an open and affirming UCC church and everything started to fall into place.
Does anyone who uses Christianity as an excuse for persecution actually bother to read the Bible?
You are one of the lucky ones. May more share a similar experience.
That is not a church! That is a false teaching! You were made by God as a man you cannot change your DNA. If i take blood from you, your blood will have a X chromosome and a Y chromosome. Which means you're a man!
@@jaystreet4004 That is definitely true, but people shouldn't be cruel to this group. They may never repent if they feel rejected and unloved by God which is definitely not true.
As a trans man, I’ve always wanted to become a youth leader. Never thought that I could make it after I sat in a room of youth leaders and had half of them say that my existence was sinful and that I am unfit for leadership. This is definitely motivating and I’m not going to give up, thank you
Skyler Jay Yes, they were right to tell you that. Follow Christ!
Skyler Jay Pray for healing.
Way to go...don't give up.
I pray that never happens! I would fear for any child under your leadership and any church who allows you to become a youth leader is no church at all.
@@MrTaylormade2448 you're not gonna make it to the pearly gates with that attitude and hatred, stop worrying about if other people sin and focus on the hatred in your heart, God says to love your enemies and yet you can't even do that
Although I'm an atheist witch I LIVE for this Ted talk. I Have NEVER heard of the explanation of abomination the way he did. In leviticus the context makes that so much better. Thank you kindly kind sir, blessed be...
Out of curiosity, isn't witchcraft a religion as well?
This pastor is absolutely right about the scriptures he is referencing and provided the real context behind these scriptures which I’ve learned from my research and affirming pastor.
Oh my, you just made me cry😭
Three words chapter and verse
God loves everybody, all sinners, but that doesnt change the fact that he doesnt love sin. It is the sin that will separate us from God. God and sin dont mix... let's not twist scripture to justify our sins... we are all fallen and its through Jesus that we are saved. By being born again. . . .
Right
Amen
exactly
Amen. Praise God.
Before commenting maybe remember "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"
No ones going to kill him or hurt him by using words that actually straightens him
That verse that your referring to actually referring to people who had a beam in their eye trying to take the speck out of their brothers eye. You should read the whole chapter so you can get context and not just pick and choose.
I will throw the biggest rock I can find
Toon She Leviticus 20:13
The context for that verse is that the Pharisees were jealous and trying to trap Jesus because they KNEW that the woman had committed adultery.
I get what you mean though, blindly spreading hate against the LGBT community probably isn't from the Spirit and believers that see this and casually leave judgmental comments aren't "loving their neighbors as themselves." But it also states in the Bible to rebuke your brother when they do something that is clearly not of God. This is especially severe if he claims to hold the status of a pastor(Those who teach will be judged more severely) James 3:1.
I'll be blunt, you can't look at this one dimensionally. Only choosing to follow one verse and ignoring the rest of the Bible in this case means that we willingly downplay the importance of holiness. I think some believers here clearly understand the path where this man is headed and are warning him in the "love your neighbor as yourself" fashion. They're sticking up for God when the majority of the world hates God's morals.
The comment section is so depressing. Why can't we just be supportive of each other?
Georgia Buchan The guy is one of those wolves in sheepskin
Hmm :/ what do you mean by that?
He is not a true Christian Matthew 7: 15 Watch out for false prophets who come in sheep clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves
Yeah Ok. But he's still a human being. He deserves the same basic respect as you or I.
Georgia Buchan because no ungodly person shall inherit Kingdom of heaven, pray repent be born again its Time, linked vids my account
When I heard what your parents said I started crying
I love you omg
@William Dionicio exactly amen
Does anyone know if this man ever got saved?
Facepalm
I don’t know any christian who hate any homosexuel and God loves all of us enough to offer his Son for us, but he also knows what is best for us, after all he is the designer.
God loves the sinner, hates the sin
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV
@@ZiraRisasi i wonder if that is the rationale that is used to justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison?
What churches are these people going?
The Great Fallen Away Church!
Sad to say the Presbyterian Church, voted to except this sinful way in to the church
Mick Kelly voted?? 🧐🧐
False churches preaching lies and accepting feelings!
God does an will never change to suit our culture He is the same today tomorrow and FOREVERMORE!
God is the same, but unfortunately sometimes our culture strays. In particular church culture has often strayed in the past, and it did it again last century by starting to reject homosexuals. Fortunately, as the stats show 13:10 this is now in the process of being rectified.
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Love is Love.
@@theguildhall3246 not every impulse is to be acted on
@@romariosenior2865 I find that the way that you have decided which impulses are right or wrong to be flawed and harmful.
One thing is sure, God will judge us not on how we want our lives to be lived but on how He wanted it to be. And those who lead others to sin will definitely reap what they sow. Be very careful then how you share your own understanding of His words.
May God continue blessing you and your ministry.
God doesn't bless sin.
When God noticed that Adam was without a partner, He just didn't create any kind of partner . He created a woman for him. He was very definite and very clear. He didn't create a woman and a man for Adam to choose which of them he would want to go with. He had made that decision alone. And the decision wasn't ambiguous, neither was it left to Adams emotional feelings. And that wasn't for Adam alone, all the animals were also male and female.
The Dr was not fare to the scriptures. He didn't do a good exegesis, he allowed the tide to influence his interpretation of the word of God.
These comments are horrible. This is beauitful. Calm down and open your hearts. Or, you know, just be you :)
I don't want to be me,Jesus said we should be like out Father in heaven,we are sinfull creatures from the day we were born,we shouldn't stay who we are but we should improve ourselves and give our life to Christ
Thank you.
This is amazing! We Catholics should learn about this!
the issue is not that people act lgbt or straight, it's that they believe that's who they are. you know it took 200 year after the Civil War for most blacks to act Free.
Jesus the Messiah of Israel died on a Bloody Roman Cross to set you Free. Now, you can act like it. Peace Out - Follow Him
Many people become Atheist though the Catholic faith and I see why.
When I was watching this, I was thinking, "Wow, this guy has such a non-confrontational, positive and personal approach. This is what it would take to actually change minds and bring people together!" ... Then I looked through the comments section and it did not appear that minds were changed. So, this is my question for you, scary internet: Is there anyone out there who shifted their thinking after watching this, by at least an inch?
omggg YES. So many hundreds of people are so close minded about their views that any foreign idea is undoubtedly wrong. That's why I hold the view that I will NEVER go into an argument if I am not willing to change my view at all or at least look into it.
The path to eternal life is narrow , that man gives u what u want to hear instead of what u need to hear, we r called to be born again, and deny ourselves and follow Christ, not live willingly in it and a be enslaved by our flesh and sinful desires, hes a false teacher, and lost, preaching for sin than against it
@@danielcifuentes2603 the path to eternal life is NOT narrow. You just have to love and accept God
Kaleigh Martin u r wrong It is written the path is narrow, and only a few will find it, people r becoming more lovers of sin and themselves than true lovers of God, by their fruits u will know who is from God, look at the fruits , some preachers only give people what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear , u must be born again with water and spirit to see the kingdom of God( its not baptism Jesus speaks of when He said “you must be born again”) God bless u fam, hope u may find the truth in Jesus , dont make ur own version of a god, follow the real one, which is the same God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob, and the one who came and paid for our sins on the cross
@@danielcifuentes2603 Exactly brother!
God loves us all but hates sin
Especially homosexuality
@@robert7879 not really, God hates all sins equally as much.
@@ea-tr1jh there is a reason why he called homosexuality an abomination but didn't call lying or stealing an abomination
@@robert7879 if god created everything, didn't he also create homosexuality? why would he put gays onto this earth if he hates it. where does it say in the bible "god hates homosexuality."
sometimes (more like all the time), i don't understand you christians lmao.
@@aitosaito311 God created us perfectly. Man sinned when they ate the fruit. God didn't make homosexuals.
Romans 1:25-27.
Wow, this speech made me cry
@Victoria danesino ... His speech almost made me cry as well , because if David doesn't repent he'll be another lost soul forever .
Yes, it's worthy of tears. He should turn to Christ for transformation.
Bozo. 😂 misinforming to the fullest. God does not approve this.
I don’t even have the energy to argue with the haters on here I’m just so sick of it lol 😂 just take your hate and leave it at home hun we can love each other and be who we are we don’t need your approval
Ally Birch you need God’s approval, did you read the Bible yourself? You know if you believe in God, he will talk to you. Ask him before just believing and defending
Sabrina Petit yea of course I have I’m not naive. And honestly I feel peace about it
You need enemies to love
You're very hateful. You're statement is self-defeating.
@@chadirwin3214 You're deception is complete and your justification empty. Sinners shall have no part in the kingdom of God.
II Timothy 2:19
THE GREAT FALLEN AWAY!
Thank you for your message!
This was a blessing to me. Thank you.
Until this man repents, he won't be seeing the gates of heaven.
Nor will anyone else who agreed with this false prophet. smh
my heart is so full 😭
Of?
@@jamesbon1 Sin...
@@Blessed_Sound Yep, you know what else is sin? Abortion, and now it's in the 9th month.
courageous, amazing young man
TheEnd funny because your itching ears want to believe that everyone can just magically change who they are attracted to. Don’t you think they’ve all tried it?
@TheEnd I guarantee you that you choose which verses to follow and what not to unless you regularly go and kill witches or people who work on the sabath.
@William Dionicio tell me the verse that said that.
What's so courageous about giving in to your sinful desires? Is an adulterer courageous by sleeping with his female colleague? Is a man courageous by abandoning his family for another man or woman? Courage is defined by the perseverance of fighting the good fight and allowing the Spirit to overcome the desires of our flesh, not the other way around...that's easy.
@@evanc3160 The holy spirit will change your life. They probably where Catholic and where never introduced to the Holy Spirit.
Beautiful presentation of what God would like to see happen to all humanity that he created & said how beautiful it is when all brothers love one another. Amen ✝️⭐️👍🇺🇸🏳️🌈💪💜💙🙋♂️🌈🌈
Thanks :)
Excellent TEDX, his motivational speech was very uplifting.
read Romans 1 verse 18 - 32
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams. Acts 2:17.
Read, "All scripture is useful for teaching..."
Can someone please provide a link to the Matthew Cline video that this guy mentioned, I'd really like to see that video.
God bless and keep you, David.
oh you better read your bible. only satan keeps this named david.
B Simpson no Leviticus 20:13
I love the story of the professor using Genesis to support the LGBTQ community. Often we are taught the letter of the law but not the spirit of the law. During the time of Jesus, the Pharisees knew the Bible but did not know God. Today we have modern day pharisees teaching us the Bible, very knowledgeable of the Bible but they do not know God.
When a person gets saved, they no longer continue practicing homosexuality. God changes them and they are no longer deceived and trapped in that wicked lifestyle.
Trying to find common grounds 🤦🏾♂️
@@sitionlapansaru5641 Common grounds for what? Be more specific.
@@tmo4330 imagine calling forcing people into closet, bullying and making them vulnerable to psychological distress ‘Saving’…😂😂😂😂
Dude god must be finding you hilarious
@@ithinkiknowme6450 It's an abomination. Entire cities have suffered the wrath of God because of it. People are "coming out of the closet" because they are no longer ashamed of their wickedness. That are "proud" of it. This is not good. It will not end well for those who live that lifestyle. Sodom and Gomorra are lasting examples that can still be seen today.