The Church History Mixtape Vol 2: Marburg
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In 1529, Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli gathered in Marburg, Germany to resolve their differences on the Lord's Supper. It didn't work.
Here is a 100% completely accurate transcript of that meeting, known as the Marburg Colloquy.
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Can't wait for church history mixtape 325 Athanasius vs Arius.
A little out of chronological order but yes!!!
This MUST happen
Even better, Nicholas of Myrna vs. Arius
@@robertlehnert4148 Nicholas may or may not have slapped Arius, though he did slap a heretic, whereas Athanasius carried most of the debate.
@@ThumbKnucklei know, its was extremely sad to hear that st nikolas didnt actually slap a heretic
We covered Charles V in our homeschool this past year. Every time he came up, my kids yelled, "Hot Dog Guy!" and drew lots of sentient hot dogs on their papers. They're big fans.
Also, Hi, Horus!
Zwingli left even the pope flabbergasted
😂
And Horus!
So excited to see some new LutheranSatire! 🎉
Wow, just brilliant. Ex RC, ex atheist, ex pantheist here, I've worshipped w/Baptists, evangelicals, & Lutherans. Much love & respect for my fam in Christ. But, learning this, this!I know it's time to contact the Lutheran (Missouri Synod) congregation I met via a roommate, learn & join. Thank you Pastor Hans, funny & so uplifting! Truth.
Thank you.
That's awesome to hear! I was raised pentecostal/nondenominational, but about a year and a half ago I started looking into the early church and seeing what they believed and understood scripture, and in my research it became evident that the Lutheran Church holds closest to that. Currently going through catechesis at my local LCMS parish and by God's grace will be confirmed soon.
@@Nonz.M Ah, God bless! I am genuinely happy for you & pray that the LCMS enhances your relationship to Father God, his son & Holy Spirit.
@@headsofhiphop not a vast difference, but you're correct that there are a few things that the early church taught that no one really believes today. That is why everything that Lutherans believe is based off scripture. The early church fathers are an important authority that we acknowledge, not the ultimate, so when it comes to interpretation of scripture, we don't reject the wisdom of the early church fathers.
@@headsofhiphop that's where we disagree. Why do you think a modern interpretation of scripture is correct over the early church fathers who are closer to the apostles and a few were even taught by them.
@@headsofhiphop 1 Corinthians 10:16 "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?"
We are participating (some translations say partaking) in the body and blood of Christ during Holy Communion. It is very clear that Communion is not just a symbol.
I was raised Baptist and recall a few times when the pastor actually said, "This represents My body." Teaching that it's symbolic is one thing, but it never sat right that the actual words of Christ were changed. When I recently started looking more into LCMS, this is one topic that is different from what I was taught to believe, but wasn't actually hard to accept. If Christ can be in our midst when two or three gather in His name, why can't He also be present in the bread and wine? He is God, after all...
Editing to add that Horus cracked me up. Lutheran Satire is pure gold.
The reason I never held that Jesus was being litteral is that God has a reason for all his miracles. And for the bread and wine to be the body and blood of christ would constitute a miracle at every eucharist. Now, not that he cant do that, but if he is then what is the reason behind it. It isnt necessary for salvation as we are told salvation comes through faith alone, so what would be the point of this miraculous event. Thats the part I have yet to understand. Jesus CAN be the bread and wine, but why would he?
Zwingli was killed in action, he wasn’t burned.
...and Luther denied transubstantiation yet the rap implies he supported it. Very entertaining but slightly misleading.
@@rhysskollen6919 Luther (and Lutheranism broadly) believes the body is literally the body and the blood is literally the blood. But they do not believe the body and the blood transubstantiate into literal flesh and literal blood. They're still substantively bread and wine.
Which was drawn and quartered and burned to ashes. Pedantic Jewry.
@@rhysskollen6919 “Consubstantiation” is the technical term that best describes the Lutheran view
did he pray to dead people & pay indulgences?
if so: then *🔥 mostly peaceful eternity
Not sure why Zwingli's sound reminds me of Weird Al's "Amish Paradise" but absolutely love this!😆
I was on my way out, but I stopped to say, I don't think being around Zwingly was any Amish Paradise!
@@lindajohnson4204 Agreed! just has a similar sound to his rapping😋
@@lindajohnson4204: Considering how hateful and murderous he was to Anabaptists, Zwingli was often rather their fast-track to Paradise.
I haven’t even watched it yet, but I’ve been waiting for volume two of the church history mixtape for years! Pumped
The Epic Rap Battle I never knew I needed! Great job with the flow (even Svengli)!
I’ve waited so long for vol 2! lol y’all killed it as usual
You know it’s good when Horus shows up.
Been waiting too long for vol 2! Thanks!
who knew zwingli was actually horus all along
Nah, even Horus showed up confused about what Zwingli was talking about.
@@AQuietVoice2022 Must have been "researching" for his constant attacks on the Gospel.
You don't know how long I've been waiting for this.
A new mixtape of Luther vs. Zwigli!! I love it already!!
This is the sequel I didn’t know I needed!
lol I was hoping for a fair fight. Don't know why I expected that.
Excellent work, Pastor Fiene.
4:59 thank you for making me google Phillip of hesse and informing me about a very interesting piece of reformation history lol
Been waiting for this masterpiece
I've been waiting for this for a while!
As a Catholic, I want to give all the Lutherans out there a massive “You’re welcome” to all the German-Americans out there for making Lutheranism the default in Minnesota instead of Zwinglism.
And tne Scandinavian Americans.
Absolutely hilarious, as well as being historically accurate :) Thank you Pastor Fiene!
I didn't want to set my expectations too high because Vol 1 is so good but I set them high anyway and I was not disappointed.
Hans Fiene strikes again! Wonderful work, pastor--keep them coming!
This goes harder than any epic rap battle of history
Great video once again, congrats! Is it too early to say I'm already waiting for vol. 3? 😂😂😂
Not a Lutheran but I can still laugh! 😂
Love the look on the pope face and that of the Mona Lisa priceless.
So happy you got to the Eucharist issue! Thank you!
By this logic, Jesus was a vine.
The lamb-vine-door trilemma
Someone isnt honestly trying to understand the actual argument of the Luthearn position.
Context is everything and Scripture interprets scripture. One can use textual criticism to know when metaphors and literal meanings are present.
Three gospels and Paul make it very clear.
@@basketbasket1225 That is not what textual criticism is.
Jesus IS the vine. Haven't you read it?
He literally called Himself the vine
Jammin' rhymes! Awesome animation! GOD'S "truf" proclaimed! And, a Horus cameo! Lutheran Satire-- you ROCK!
Finally! The first one was awesome 😎
I need more rap battles like this!
Horus appearing in the corner made me roll on the floor laughing! Vivat HORUS!!! 😂😂😂
That was epic! Dope rhymes and sweet art
Will this finally be the Hamlet style Martin Luther musical
This is one of the greatest videos on RUclips
The only thing this is missing is FLAME being Luther.
Can you do one where the opponent is just a little less stupid?😂 That way Martin looks even cooler!
Why does this have only 50,000 views, should have so much more this is great!
As someone who is a Reformed Baptist with a somewhat Presbyterian view of the Lord's Supper this is making me reconsider my views
That is some of the best humor I've ever seen in the Church!!! 🤣😂🤣😂
Truth with laughter!!! Makes it memorable. I'm sharing it.
I love it, Hans!!
“We believe that Christ is truly present in the Supper. We in no way believe that it is the Lord's Supper unless Christ is present. We assert not that the body of Christ is carnally and rudely chewed, as those men allege; but we believe that the true body of Christ is eaten in the Lord's Supper sacramentally (that is, when the symbol of the bread is received) and spiritually (that is, not by teeth and mouth, nor in any natural manner, but by faith and the power of the Holy Spirit) with a faithful and holy mind."
-Zwingli
"We believe that Christ is truly present in the Lord’s Supper; yea, we believe that there is no communion without the presence of Christ. This is the proof: 'Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them' (Matt. 18:20). How much more is he present where the whole congregation is assembled to his honor! But that his body is literally eaten is far from the truth and the nature of faith. It is contrary to the truth, because he himself says: 'I am no more in the world' (John 17:11), and 'The flesh profiteth nothing' (John 6:63), that is to eat, as the Jews then believed and the Papists still believe. It is contrary to the nature of faith (I mean the holy and true faith), because faith embraces love, fear of God, and reverence, which abhor such carnal and gross eating, as much as any one would shrink from eating his beloved son.… We believe that the true body of Christ is eaten in the communion in a sacramental and spiritual manner by the religious, believing, and pious heart (as also St. Chrysostom taught). And this is in brief the substance of what we maintain in this controversy, and what not we, but the truth itself teaches."
Zwingli
@@basketbasket1225I’m curious about the way in which Zwingli is applying “The flesh profiteth nothing”. Some people say that this even means that Christ’s flesh profits nothing, and that when Christ spoke of eating His flesh, He wasn’t actually referring to His flesh. But I wonder whether Zwingli’s stance is more like that Christ’s flesh would profit nothing if received through a carnal means like through the mouth.
Another interesting thing is that the view often attributed to Zwingli’s name is that the Lord’s Supper is *purely* a symbol/memorial. But from what I’ve been hearing (and I guess from what these quotes demonstrate), such was not his view.
Horus coming up in the corner sealed it
Superb. Well done.
I'm not a Lutheran, but still funny
I don't agree with Luther, but I can't deny that this is super well done.
Same.
There's nothing to disagree with he's right. I'd tell you to read the Bible yourself but Catholics arnt supposed to do that lol
@@basedbane787 Catholics aren’t supposed to tell people to read the Bible themselves?
@@TenToGriffthe church wouldn't have split if the Catholic authorities at the timeweren't corrupt. The Bible was only in Hebrew, Greek and Latin, not yhe common languages of the people, at the time.
The Pope was using the people's of purgatory to fill the church's coffers. If people could actually read the word, the pope wouldn't have been able to do that.
You're spoiling us now!
Those are quite the long-winded sentences! XD
I'm not sure how I missed this video..... maybe I was busy with work. @.@
.... Now to go watch/listen to the first mixtape. XD
Great way to learn history of Lutheranism!
At one point I was thinking Perhaps Luther was voiced by FLAME. You should collaborate with FLAME.
Sooo excited🤩🤩🤩
Zwingli is from Minnesota?
This is great stuff! For those who want to read more about this, read Luther's Works Volumes 36 & 37, "Against the Fanatics"
After 1:24 I half expected that great theologian *Slick* *Willy* to pop up at the end and ask what Luther’s definition of “Is” is.
Yea every time someone mentions how "is" doesn't really mean is, I say that sounds like ill Clinton theology.
Also, Zwingli wasn't burned at the stake; he was killed in battle.
Unless I'm mistaken, Zwingli wasn't burned, but fell in battle in 1531.
The burns were from Luther's sick fires all along.
So, a basketball coach drawing circles on a white board to write up a play means that those circles have the substance of the players every time the coach points at the circle and says, "This is LeBron"?
Or if I use salt and pepper shakers to demonstrate something and I say, "This salt shaker is me. This pepper shaker is Jim. [moving the salt shaker] I walked by jim like this. Then Jim [moving the pepper shaker] cut me off like this"
Does that mean that the salt shaker is literally me and the pepper shaker is literally Jim?
Maybe if the basketball coach is fully God. Is he? No? Bad analogy then.
@@angiebee2225 spiritualizing the plain reading of Scripture is bad exegesis
Especially when that spiritualizing leads to the Monophysite heresy. You deify Christ's human nature and humanize his divine nature.
There is to be no mixture or confusion of the natures of Christ. To claim his physical body can be at more than one place at a time is to give his human nature non-communicable attributes.
@@BrianFreytag Nice assumptions you've made about my theology for saying your analogy has problems. Pretty sure you were practicing eisegesis on my comment.
@@angiebee2225 I grew up and was confirmed in the LCMS. I've studied the entirety of the book of concord. I am making a theological observation, not an assumption.
Brilliant!
This is fire!!!!
God bless you, thank you
saint Nicholas vs Arius rap battle we need that
I believe that it’s been a while since you’ve done a mixtape video
Amazing! Another helping please
It was a brilliant touch to include “Let all mortal flesh keep silence” in the intro. The mortal flesh of reason should be silent and let the scriptures speak.
Also, a reference to how Christ came to earth.
Keep killing it, Hans!
Sweeeeeeet! We LOVE Lutheran pastors who use animation!!! 🙂🙂🙂
Nice vid. Appreciated the diversion from how woke the LCMS is presenting itself on twitter, and other platforms. Keep the content coming!
This would be so fab on broadway🤣🤣🤣
The horus cameo got me lol!
"Eeeeeeepic Rap Battles of History ! !!! !!"
This was great!
1 year anniversary of this masterpiece
I don't think it's at all a coincidence that Zwingli's picture has a circle over his head, stylistically similar to halos in Orthodox icons, but a dark circle, resembling not the light of God in which saints bask, but instead the black halo often given to Judas. A subtle detail, but one that stood out to me.
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Yo this bumps fr
The Last supper was a traditional passover supper. The wine stood for the lambs blood used over the doorways so that death would pass over on the night that God sent His reponse to the Pharoah over his refusal and threats made to the Israelites over letting God's people go. The bread was to represent the manna sent from heaven to feed the Israelites in the desert after they were set free. For Christ to change the traditional symbolism of these parts of the meal was quite astounding. Meaning this is my blood, the lamb's blood, and this is my body, the manna. It was symbolic and is still used as symbolic during traditional Jewish Passover Saters (sp?).
To do this in remembrance of me is to do this symbolically of the blood he shed to cover our sins so that death would pass over and that He is the bread of life. To be taken prayerfully and with great gratitude for the sacrifice He made.
As a student at the university of Marburg and a long time LS fan… I approve
I want Mixtape Volume 3!
I would love to hear Augustine of Hippo sing about pears.
You crazy Lutherans. (Though I will be listening to the poodcast immediately.)
Amazing
This is truly next level theologiez!
Wasn't it Martin Luther that beat the table and repeated this is my body over and over again?
make more videos man. do not give up your gift
Internet is a good place to convert
i use to think this was important. Now it seems like debating the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin!
One of my religion professors (at an ELCA college) tried to explain Catholic vs. Luther's vs. Zwingli's beliefs on Communion, and it was extremely confusing. It was still confusing when I converted to Catholicism!
This might have already been answered, but what is the origin of the wet hot dogs? Is that a historical reference to something or just a joke?
Echos of the cabinet meetings in Hamilton!
Yupp, waiting for The Moment.
I'm a bit new to the communion debate, so I apologize if this has been discussed already
But what about when Jesus says that He is the Vine or the Door? Did He mean that literally as well?
Also, how could Jesus BE the bread and the wine if He was present with the disciples? His body had not yet been broken, and His blood had not yet been shed. I'm guessing the answer to the second part is that He is speaking of the communion to come in the future
When we read the bible we let the book speak for itself and let clear passages help speak for unclear ones and rely on context of the chapter/other verses around it.
When Jesus is a gate is he speaking his physical appearance or what he does for us? When Christ call us sheep are we still human?
Three gospels and St. Paul make it clear. It's not vague.
VDMA
Jesus said, I am *the true* vine. _John 15:1_ And he proved it by turning water into wine. This means that the garden variety grapevine is "passing away." 1 Cor 7:31. Mere allegories don't destroy their own figures. Instead the garden plant is the allegory (type) and Jesus is the reality (antitype). This is clearly not the same as if he had said, "The kingdom of God is *like* a vine" or even “I am *like* a vine.” It’s truer to say, “Are you impressed with green gardens and new sweet wine? That’s nothing at all. I’m the true vine.”
_John 10:7 So Jesus said _*_again, “Amen, Amen,_*_ I tell you: I am _*_the_*_ door for the sheep._ Jesus literally is the door. There is no other entrance to the Kingdom of God. That's what the *Amen, Amen* is for.
Moreover, ancient Near Eastern sheep pens often had a mere opening in the wall for a doorway. A shepherd would sleep in the doorway, keeping the sheep in and animals out, so he literally was the door of the sheep.
In these two parables, Christ directs our attention *away from* the elements and *toward* himself, emphatically claiming their reality for himself. i.e. *I am* the true vine. Amen, Amen, *I am* the door. Forget those and look to me.
When he says, "Take and eat. *This is* my body," he directs us straight *to* the element 🍞 and tells us what its reality is. God speaks and it happens.
@@basketbasket1225
please do another C3PO video!!!!
4:47 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣☠️
Seriously this is epic!
Even though I disagree with Luther on this I really enjoyed the video as usual
The original rap battle 😂😂😂😂
Need a dubstep remix of this 😁
Please do a video on the (non-)question of the ordination of women. It's being discussed in the Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Germany. Aaagaaain. 😴
Your conservative brothers and sisters across the pond could use a bit of a cheer up. 😉
Someone help me out please: who is the woman at 4:15 supposed to be?
I think ir's the Mona Lisa. I don't know why it's in this video though...
Yeah.
Greetings from Sweden y'all.
Was Zwingli’s rap based on things on the historical Zwingli’s actual arguments for his views?
A comical, strawman version, but yes.