Donall and Conall Learn That Jesus Isn't Divine
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2018
- NOTE: I goofed. The accusative case for silver is "ἄργυρον," not "ἀργύριον." RUclips got rid of annotations, so I couldn't slap on a sticky note and I'm too tired to fix the video and re-upload. Thanks to the eagle eyed viewers for catching that.
In which Donall and Conall shout Greek grammar facts at the JWs after said JWs assert that Jesus isn't divine.
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"Let's dive into the text."
"The text that you can't read?"
"Yeah, that's the one."
Classic!
My mom told me that the reason Jehovah's witnesses is a thing is because some guy tried to predict the return of Jesus, but failed because one does not simply do that. So he tried to justify himself by saying that Jesus can't be devine. Moral of the story, don't try to predict the return of Jesus.
Miller and the Great Disappointment?
I had a Greek prof who would invite JW's in to his home, they'd give their John 1:1 pitch, to which he would reply John 1:1-14 in greek, and proceed to explain what these guys said, to which they would reply by leaving.
that's amazing
That’s when you see Cognitive Dissonance in their facial expression as they walk away.
Dr. Brabban?
@@adeanh1 Dr. Craig Keener with Asbury Theological Seminary
Too bad he rand them off with his arrogant display of the truth. Just being right does not mean being righteous. Look up the Platonian Error. If your friend had read Greek and not just spoken it the Jehovah's witnesses, along with their wiffle-bats and wildebeests might have heard the truth of Christ rather than being driven away from it and chased deeper into their terrible soul killing heresy... Hint: let them talk. Listen to them... and then once they have ran out of misplaced truth and have hogtied themselves theologically (not literally most times) then you can tell them the infinite truth of the true triune God. Only once they realize their theology is garbage that will land them in Hell by the revelation of the Holy Spirit can they repent of said heresy and join the true church like us... That is unless you and all your reformed friends are afraid of being converted to the jehovahs witnesses... in that case run them off like you do. The apologies of weak men are defensive and the apologies of strong men are on the attack... Christ's power is made manifest in our weakness not our strength... your failure to profess what you believe and believe what you profess is why you and your reformed loser Greek professor friend could do nothing but punch himself in the face theologically and then tell people how great he was at fist fighting... well he was a great pugilist indeed. knew the books and techniques backwards and forwards didn't he? and yet anyone who listened to him came to see a show... a strawman fight club... where all the evil jehovahs witnesses are driven off by the mighty Greek professor because he is a great and strong Christian raaaa! Yeah... don't read the bible or watch TV... the truth is in the bible and TV has better shows... stop making getting your truth of God and your entertainment from the exact same place and maybe people won't think your theology is a joke... Because then it won't be. 575 408 0881. I don't cower behind screens. Show mercy, little strongman... or you might as well be a possession of the strongman... Praise God that he stole you back. He is the hero you should follow first... all others are copies of Him. Copies are fine... until they claim to be the original or don't clearly state they are and then pose as the original... your greek prof ought to know the difference between a facsimile, a forgery, and an original manuscript... learn that from him, not evangelism.
Soli Deo Gloria Pax Domini
:)
I wish I was as illiterate as Donall and Conall.
Whisky.
Wish I could read what you wrote!
Yahul Wagoni
LMBO
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Jesus and the apostles preached the gospel before Jesus began to tell he was going to die
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
“Jesus died. God can’t die” That’s the point, Patrick.
Donall and Conall are the heroes we need but don’t deserve.
I concur
Here, here! Lol
Yes! Lol almost all of their odd encournters I relate to in some past experience, which made me jokingly tell my sister that I felt like I was like Donnell and Connell. All you need now are Donnell and Connell meet the World Missionary Society Church of God, secular psychology and oneness Pentacostalism and then they've covered all my experiences of diversity.
Well, Jesus is the hero we need but don’t deserve... but I get your point
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Jesus and the apostles preached the gospel before Jesus began to tell he was going to die
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
"This is boring."
"Yeah I know Conall but we got to slug through this stuff to refute the Jehovah's Witnesses."
"Jebralter's Whippersnaps."
"Whatever."
Gibraltar 🤣
As someone raised theologically unitarian, John 1 definitely affected why I became trinitarian.
John 1 is pretty much the foundation of the trinitarian argument. "God = Word" + "Word became flesh" leads pretty quick to "Jesus is God."
@@hoi-polloi1863 For sure!
@@hoi-polloi1863 "The word" in John 1:1 is not equivalent to God otherwise there would be no point in stating that it was with God. My hand is with me and, in a sense, is me, but it doesn't mean it's equvalent to me.
@@jb_1971 Hmm... that covers the "with God" part, but there's also the "was God" part, which to me seems to counter that argument.
Praise the Lord :)
As a linguistics student who had to deal with some JWs after class one day, thank you.
But they are wrong... the issue is not a linguistics one, only if you take John in isolation. If you take a contextual view you will find the Lutheran brothers are incorrect.
@@aaronstately, how does Jesus not being Christ, the divine Jewish messiah, mesh with John 4:25 and 26?
There methodology of only uising the book of John which is not historical, not synoptic gospel, unreliable and well known that most of jesus claims in the book of john is not how someone would have spoke and most of the "i am" claims, the "father and i are 1" are all not claims made by jesus but by a christian writer 100years later. Matthew Mark &Luke simply do not share the same claims and in fact contradict it.
John is unreliable im afraid. please look at my previous post below.
you will find all the "i am" claims in John are highly dubious, historically no one would have spoken that way, and they are added 100 years later by christian writers trying to create a tilt towards Jesus being God with out explicity doing so. This is why John is not considered a synoptic Gospel. it leaves out storys from the synoptic and adds others that are not part of the synoptic that are uncorroborated like speaking to the woman at the well.
Show me where in the bible Jesus claims to be God and i will eat my hat. I can show you even in John where Jesus only ever claims to be the Son of God and he is handed over to pilate for this... not for stating he is God, he even states he will be at the right hand of God.. do you just ignore that?
here it is..
Mark 14:60
60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Not to mention about 30 other statements showing how it is impossible for Jesus to be the All mighty God.
QUIT PAMPHLET-SHAMING US, PATRICK!
JW-"Wait, you can't read?"
Upvote for the user name!
Yeah that was GOLD 🤣🤣🤣
"Wow, you're really swinging for the fences at warmed over arianism stadium there Patrick" 😂
"And this is eternal life that they may know you the *ONLY TRUE GOD* and the messiah that you have sent."
Arianism has a long life instead...
@@Logia1978
“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
I and the Father are one.”
The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
John 10:29-31
Jesus claimed to be God; and because the Jews recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God, they picked up stones to stone him.
@WideMouth
And Jesus refuted their accusation of claiming divinity by saying is it not written in your Torah that you are Gods. And he only claims to be a son of God...
He did not say, yeh you are right I claim Divinity....
JESUS confirmed that Jews had the correct understanding of God.... and the trinity is Alien to Jews....
I'm just going to pretend like I managed to follow all that
+1
Include me.
Most Lutherans won't follow, and that's the point. If a pastor talks fast, uses big words, and has a condescending attitude he can say any nonsense and his flock will believe anything. It wasn't Lutherans that recently discovered the museum of the Bible had been displaying forgeries.
@@patrickneary8446
Friend, surely you understood that I was joking because he was going off about the complicated grammar rules of the Greek language? Don't use it as basis for some argumentative point.
Am I the only one that finds it completely ironic that his name is actually Patrick?
As I'm sure you know, you can also skip to the end of John's gospel, where Thomas says "My Lord, my God!" which really has no other explanation other than the plain text.
Well the problem is that the whole missing Thomas story is *a forgery* ...
Thomas was *not missing* in the synoptic gospels...
So the writers of John, created a story for theological purpose.
@Daniel Swick Psalm 89:5-7 shows the divine council of Psalm 82 is not human rulers but holy ones in heaven with God.
@Christian Man God can't have a begotten son who isn't of His same nature anymore than apple trees beget oranges.
Can you tell me why you believe the Apostles didn't teach that Jesus was God after Christ ascended into Heaven? Is Jesus the creator?
@( Christian Man ) So what do you do with the command to baptize in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?"
They modify it.
Deep in the muck of conversation about the Resurrection going in inevitable circles with a Jehovah’s Witness, this is EXACTLY what I needed to bring some levity to my thoughts and giggles to my heart again!! THANK YOU!!!
As an ex-JW, I loved this and the last one. I heard this explanation 15 years ago and have been wanting to get a copy of it.... but written down, oh well this will have to do.
Costa Di Biase at this point you can probably find it online or buy a book about it
From the other comments I see that he didn’t print the appropriate words that lined up with what he was stating
West of Babel,
Under the title of this post is a transcription. There you can for nd this "written out".
@ericwalker6546
Half truths!
I've dealt with Trinitarian professors before and they are all the same!
I ask one what the difference in grammar was between John 8:44 and John 1:1 and he got the grammar of John 8:44 as there in that verse there are two examples of a nominative predicate noun occurring before the verb, we both agreed and we looked at other like predicate nominatives occurring before the verb and we agreed on those too!
However, he had to resort to special pleading when it came to John 1:1 clause C, here in all the examples we looked at the grammar was exactly the same, a nominative predicate occurring before the verb and I had to point out to him his theological bias over the grammar, he refused to accept that John 1:1c followed a simple rule of Greek grammar and that, "theos" was indefinite, not definite, thus "a god", yet he accepted all the other cases and in John 8:44 Trinitarian translators recognised the the nominative predicate was indefinite and had no problems inserting the indefinite article in English translations, so we see in John 8:44 "a murderer" and "a liar", this exercise simply proves that Trinitarian scholars will change the rule of Greek grammar when it impacts on their preconceived Trinitarian theology!
@@andrewgraham6496 The doctrine of the Trinity does not rely on John 1:1
Love that nod to medieval specialization, when people learned a variety of languages orally, and reading and writing was for the scribes.
As a student who is taking Greek 1 and reading through Mounce's Greek textbook, this video is all kinds of YES!
😂 they said, no we don't know what that is
@@Putthegoatsontheroof what's hilarious is, here I am 3 years later after this comment, I'm taking Greek again in seminary and we are using Mounce :)
Definitely not "boring". :-) Thanks for the Greek grammar lesson, guys, and for giggles throughout--alas, though it's indeed such a serious topic. But hey, so was the "Bad Analogies" episode where we first heard the pejorative "Patrick" proclaimed. And I suspect in time this one will rank right up there as classic Donall and Conall!
Yeah but Jehovah's Witnesses are supposedly monotheists so how does saying the word was "a God" make any sense either...
oh yeah so it says there are 2 Gods but they only believe in 1 God and deny the trinity at the same time so they literally turned that passage into complete nonsense... honestly I tried talking to Jehovahs Witnesses about that and they just talked in circles...
So Jehovah's Witnesses DONT believe Jesus was God so they changed their scriptures to say he was "a God"! How brilliant...
Dmlaney , most importantly they say Jesus is a small "g" god. They say the word was "a god". A god meaning powerful like a king or e
Human ruler or maybe an angelic power.
They confess that Jesus was an incarnation of Michael the archangel not God
ParadoxicallySweet
Early church father Origin, John Calvin,Luther and John Wesley believed that Jesus was Michael too. Were they heretics?Do you want me to quote them on that?
I am A Spartacus !
It's less funny because it's more accurate.
I think they all meant that they were all THE Spartacus.
Εἰμί Σπάρτακος
@@alexandriariley5209 the acute on the iota of eimi should be a grave accent
@@firstnamelastname6118 you're right, my bad - only a second year greek student, so sometimes forget that
I am looking forward to Donall and Conall the full length Motion Picture, these guys are hilarious!
I'm taking Greek in my pastoral training right now, and your references to declensions and cases is awesome!!!
As someone who understands and teaches English grammar, I can say this video is pure gold..DEFINITELY NOT BORING..
"Yah Patrick..quit pamphlet shaming us" - Oh man, I can't stop laughing. I love these guys.
Corey Booker is Spartacus.
That part cracked me up as well 🤣
I had to back up and recheck that part. Brilliant.
No, Booker is "Fartacus".
@@cannibalsuperstar6081 TEARS OF RAGE!!!!
@@monkeysflingpooatyou I did, too -- was waiting for him from the grammar screen....
D&C: "Quit pamphlet-shaming us!"
JW: "Do you mean you can't read?"
D&C: "Not a word! ...
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... Now let's dive into the GRAMMAR of John 1:1 to address your terrible translation. So in KOINE GREEK...."
ROFL
"You're really swinging for the fences here". Oh man, near tears here.
“Before Abraham was, I AM”
If you pay attention while reading the Gospel according to John, it’s astounding how often Jesus makes “I Am” statements. Even when the Pharisees and their Roman cohort ask for Jesus of Nazareth, He replies (in the original translation) “I Am.” And they fall backwards.
And don’t forget that God said in Isaiah 42:8 that He gives His glory to no other, yet in John 17:5 Jesus claims to have shared the glory of God. There is really no way around the fact that Jesus is God, according to the Holy Scriptures.
A Jehovah Witness at my door tried to explain away this verse by claiming it was Christ merely expressing his pre-incarnate existence as an archangel. As to the desire of the Jews to stone him for saying it? Well, that was simply because they thought he was looney for claiming to be an incarnate archangel..... Of course one just has to ignore the reason the Jews gave for wanting to stone him: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." John 10:33
I can't recall their response to that. I think they employed their "Kingdom Translation" which somehow made that verse say something a bit different. Or perhaps it was the subsequent verses (34 and onward in the chapter) claiming that Christ was saying angels are given the title of "a god"... but except they are not really a god... it's all just literary style, or some such ridiculousness, which still doesn't make sense considering they were picking up stones in a fit of anger. One would think Jews would understand if he was merely explaining he was an angel come down to Earth. Nor is there any law or even example of stoning people for being insane.
And what literally means I AM.... YWHW, the name of God.
Or there is good old Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
@@shanli2693 So is he the Father?
This is the 1st video of yours that I have seen and I am now a big fan I once worked as an Education Supervisor for a Museum. In that position, I made presentations for all age groups, pre-school up to University level. Like you, I knew the value of humor as a device to keep an audience interested when discussing a complex subject which might otherwise be perceived as boring (like grammar!) I often made use of humor in a similar manner as you do in this video and I know how difficult it is to pull off what you did here. I fancy myself as having some skill in this arena, but you, my friend, are just "killing it" here!!!! Hats off to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Schoolhouse Rock pretty much got me through life. And then my ("Severely Emotionally Disturbed") group home teen clients when they had to memorize the Preamble for school! The only appropriate song 🙄 they ever sang.... This kind of stuff is awesome!
Just found your channel today. Awesome work. Being Lutheran is awesome and the world needs more of this.
Reverend Fiene, I love these videos. Aside from the sarcasm, they're Biblically solid. Thanks for your ministry, sir.
"Quit pamphlet shaming us." I literally laughed out loud.
Gibralter's whippersnaps! Pamphlet shaming! I love it!
I’m curious why JW don’t render the same word as “a god” in Mark 12:26 like: 'I am the God of Abraham, and a god of Isaac, and a god of Jacob' - Mark 12:26
It's probably due to the fact that it won't help the JW deny that Jesus Christ is God, because in this instance he is talking about God the father.
Yes and the rest of chapter 1
@sakor88 - keep in mind that when the Word became flesh, He was Jesus. I'm not weighing in on whether YHVH who was in the wilderness with the Israelites was God the Father or a preincarnate Christ, but "preincarnate" implies not yet in the flesh, so I don't think that verse weighs in on the question.
They do the same thing with the Greek word for "worship" which they will translate as "worship" when connected to God the Father but change that translation to "did obeisance" when connected to Jesus.
The Dread Pirate Rosebeard. Lol. Pastor Fiene, don't ever change.
I'm not even Lutheran (you'd call me a heretic) and I love these videos. The one bashing my religion, I disagree with on their points made, but it was still funny and interesting. I understand Lutheranism and monergism better now (before I thought it was nonsense, but now I understand that it is essentially just a difference in how justification works. Not actually of any major difference in behavior).
What gets me is how anyone can deny that Jesus uses the name "I AM" to refer to himself in John 8:58, the name of God as revealed to Moses at the burning bush account. The Jews were so incensed they tried to stone him on the spot, vs 39. The whole discourse from John 8:31 to 59 could hardly be more clear, it's all about the divine nature that Jesus lays claim to.
Weeper Man man can be so blinded by sin .I can't brag about my understanding because i was sinful and wrong about many things till i meet a confessional Lutheran pastor who took a year of instruction to show the error of my ways and the correct plain word in the Bible. pray for the lost don't be angry
They did not believe that he was Jehovah based on him saying I am. If you go to Exodus 3 13 through 16 you'll see that it says that Jehovah is the god of Abraham Isaac and jacob. Not go over to acts 3:13 and you'll see that the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob has glorified his servant jesus. Jesus did not say I am to mean that he is jehovah. They picked up stones to throw it at him because he insulted them all the way through the chapter 8
@@Sirach144 As this thread has been resurrected like our Lord & Saviour, it's important to note that the Jews very much knew Jesus was saying that he was God, because it says it clearly in John 5:17-18. Attached below for convenience (KJV)
' But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.'
@@christopherderrell8470 They said he was a sinner.
Those same Jews said he was “out of his mind”.
They said he was a glutton.
They said he was a drunkard.
They said he was a seditionist.
They said he was demonized.
They said he broke the sabbath.
They said he was a blasphemer?
Were they right?
"I am" is not a name, it is a claim.
so glad that you are posting again.
I am from Dallas, but I am in Pennsylvania for college right now.
So glad to have you back. Please don't ever stop. Love you -from a Baptist.
Gosh I love these guys. I'm Catholic, but this channel is without a doubt my favorite on youtube.
I really like how the audio slightly switched sides according to which character was speaking.
I love it! At 2:34 is Corey Booker shouting "I AM SPARTACUS!"
The other day I looked for the old LCA's Red Hymnal liturgy, because I got homesick. I looked for "Create in me a Clean Heart" Psalms 51 and The Song of Simeon (Now let us thy servant depart in peace) and couldn't find them. My Dad was a lifelong Pastor - he kept the Red Hymnal decades after the Green Hymnal was adopted.
It's nice to know that someone as sharp a wit, while understanding theology exists. Thank you for your videos.
In the Red Hymnal, “Create In Me A Clean Heart” was the usual Post-Offering hymn, and the other was the Nun Dimmitis (sp?).
My mother was a professional church organist and choir director, so we had a copy of the Black Service Book And Hymnal, too. I haven’t looked for them in more than a year, though.
Whoever said theology was boring never saw your videos! Brilliant and hysterical; keep ‘em coming!
I wish they would take on Joyce Meyer or Joel Osteen or Benny Hinn! ;-). (based on their theology, or lack thereof)
That's a great idea!!
They address Kenneth Copeland now.
Yes I saw that one!
The Martyrs quoting Joel Osteen (farther back in time than this video) is "don't miss TV", so to speak
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I'm amazed that I understand this because of Classical Conversations!
I did that too!
Go, CC!
Amazing! Two of these in a couple months. Also, you almost gave me an aneurysm when I say Cory Booker saying "I am Spartacus" - Nice job all the way around Pastor.
You combined my two favorite things: God and linguistics! I love this so much
The overall point of the grammar lesson was correct (the definite article is used in Ancient Greek in ways unfamiliar to English, such as to distinguish subject from subject-complement/predicate nominative) but the example you chose had a mistake. The accusative of the masculine noun “arguros” (ἄργυρος) is “arguron” (ἄργυρον), whereas “argurion” (ἀργύριον) is a separate word formed with a diminutive neuter “-ion” ending. “argurion”, being neuter, looks the same in the nominative and accusative case.
My grandmother was a Sunday School teacher for 40 years at our LCMS church in our hometown in Illinois and whenever she found an interesting course (or one she hadn't already taken) in Bible studies she'd sign up for it. One she really found rewarding was a course on how to "refute" JWs when they knocked on her door. She waited the rest of her life for that to happen but it never did. But she was ready for them! Strangely enough, I work at a company now that is family-run by JWs, and I always get the impression that they look down on me because I'm not one of them. I've never worked for such a group of "perfect" people before. Think I'll just stick to being a "poor miserable sinner" myself.
The tax collector who wouldn’t even look up to Heaven, but beat his breast saying “God have mercy on me” is the one who went home justified.
Man, your animation quality keeps getting better! I appreciate what you do!
Additionally, Theos appears without the article in verses 6, 12, 14, and 18 of the same passage, always referring to the Father. Basically the ONLY time the JW "argument" regarding the indefinite article would even be plausible is in 1:1, when, as you said, the article indicates the subject/predicate nominative relationship. I love these videos!
Corey Booker saying, "I am Spartacus" in the back made my day!
Did I see Corey Booker in the I Am Spartacus graphic! Awesome
Saw a clip on Conversation with a Calvinist and I am hooked! Perfect balance of humor and truth! Great job!
This is absolutely brilliant. Studying my 1st year Greek now and loving it and stuff like this makes it all the more a joy. Thanks y’all!!!
"Except it's most clearly not saying that Patrick. Which you might have realized if you hadn't dropped out of Greek 101 after 15 seconds in order to powerbomb the Nicene Creed!"
Dead. lol
The Nicene creed is not in the Bible.
@@Michael-Archonaeus You responded to a 4 year old comment to say something everyone knows? Of course the Creed isn't in the Bible. That doesn't mean it isn't true and accurate.
@@robertbosley8820 True and accurate in what sense? It isn't true to the Bible, so in a Biblical context, how exactly is it "true?"
The Bible never talks about the two natures of Christ, it never mentions the co-equality of the tri-personal deity, it doesn't even tell us that God is a Trinity of three destinct souls or men (the Biblical words for persons), to the contrary it talks about how Jesus is a man attested to by God, it explicitly states that Jesus is lower than God the father, and tells us in no uncertain terms that God is one soul, which is Biblical language for one person.
I can't make the Nicene creed fit into that mold.
@@Michael-Archonaeus Well, no, it isn't. The Nicene creed isn't in the Bible, but everything in the creed can be found in the Bible.
@@koolmckool7039 "born of the Father before all ages."
Not found in the Bible.
"God from God, Light from Light,"
Not found in the Bible, this sounds Gnostic actually.
"true God from true God,
Not in the Bible, and this contradicts John 17:3.
"begotten, not made,"
Not found in the Bible.
"consubstantial with the Father;"
Not found in the Bible.
"he came down from heaven,"
Not found in the Bible.
"and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,"
The Bible doesn't say that he was incarnate.
"the Holy Spirit, the Lord,"
Not found in the Bible.
If the Nicene Creed is supposed to express Biblical Christianity, then why does it include all these extrabiblical inventions?
By the way, when Russell was on trial in Brooklyn, for selling "Miracle Wheat" to farmers on Long Island for $5 a pound, he was asked about his work in translation. The prosecution wanted to make a point about his veracity (his truthfulness), I think. They handed him texts in both Greek and Hebrew, and he had to confess, in court, that he couldn't read Greek or Hebrew.
He couldn't even tell greek letters one from another... I guess he was eating a lot of this Miracle Wheat.
Actually he was himself betrayed by this game. If you research even more instead of fault finding you would realize that he also offered to refund everybody their money. But that's okay.
I have watched every video on this channel, most several times, and the line about "swinging for the fences at Warmed-Over Arianism Stadium" might be my favorite in any of these brilliant videos.
Best presentation of Greek I have ever seen. ... and also likely the first presentation of Greek I have ever seen.
This video affirmed to me that you can actually follow with what Donall and Conall are saying with only 2 1/2 months of beginning Greek instruction...
looks like the JW founders really did drop out after 15 seconds of study...
I am literally 9 days in to my Greek study...
The conclusion they reach doesn’t prove it means he was the God, but only that it’s POSSIBLE that John was trying to put emphasis on the subject, not that he did.
WHAT? SO FAST ANOTHER? LOVE IT!! PLEASE MORE!
the grammar was NOT BORING to ME
i appreciated it immensely having forgotten my Greek from now 40 years ago when I pulled out of Greek 101 two years running not out of incompetence but because my health gave way. (the 80's ere not a good decade for me!!)
so thanks for the lesson
Gets better and better with each video keep up the great work!
I loved finding these years ago, and now my kids love watching them. As illiterate American peasants with a Dr. Seuss level reading ability and below, however, it should be said that they laugh uproariously at the various insults and turns of phrase, Patrick. And as I’d love for them to grasp the ideas of the definite article, subject, and predicate nominative to deftly defy the disinterested disbelieving Patrick’s their sure to encounter whilst I’m trying to instill in them a real love for the Word, I’m pretty sure such theologically threaded grammar lessons go over like a fart in church on a wooden pew that echoes in the belfry.
I’m not saying to take it easy on the education, Patrick; only that some of it likely adds to the enjoyment of the viewer, as they find themselves getting more smarter without even knowing that they’re learning at all. Good job, Patrick.
Yeah, Patrick.
One time I went to a funeral at an ELCA church for a family member, seeing the female minister in a collar was horrifying for me as a Catholic.
Many at "Our Blessed Lady of the Holy Pew" have prayed that Donall and Conall would once again grace us with their presence here on the internet thingy. Lovely work. Horus ruins Christmas and Horus reads the internet are have actually been canonized into our scriptures here at "Our Blessed Lady of the Holy Pew"
By the way...Over here at "Our Blessed Lady" we have found that a well maintained set of 19th century dueling pistols often is a great substitute for endless debate involving Greek and picto hebreic translations. Nothin' like the smoke of black powder and a .45 cal ball of lead to clear up poor translation errors.
This is a great video, as they always are. One thing I noticed was at 3:36 they claim that this argument is not a universal rule of Greek grammar, but the fact is this is almost universal. Colwell's rule states "Definite predicate nouns which precede the verb usually lack the article...The predicate nominative which precedes the verb cannot be translated as an indefinite or a qualitative noun souled because of the absence of the article; if the context suggest that the predicate is definite, it should be translated as a definite noun" (Wallace, Greek Grammar: Beyond Basics, page 257). So while it does not happen every time, this is the norm, not the exception.
I am very familiar with E.C Colwell’s “rule.” Is this a legitimate “rule” for the Koine Greek language as many have been led to believe?
Dr. Colwell himself found at least 15 exceptions to the “rule,” showing that obviously it was really not a strict or valid “rule” of Greek grammar after all. I realize that many try to add strength to their argument, frequently appeal to the “rule” proposed by Colwell as some kind of established rule. However, the claim that “a definite predicate nominative NEVER takes an article when it precedes the verb,” is completely inaccurate and misleading by people who don’t know what they are really talking about.
Even Trinitarian Robert Bowman acknowledged, “Where Colwell’s rule can and has been severely abused is in the popular evangelical apologetic argument that the rule alone refutes JW rendering ‘a god.’ Such an argument goes far beyond what Colwell himself, a careful scholar that he was, said…”
(Bowman, Jesus Christ and the Gospel of John, p69)
GREAT love Donall & Conall!!! this suld be mandatory Bible study, is Horus coming back soon? also when will Donall and Conall meet Bill Maher??
Patrick - I can't believe you messed up the accusative case for silver!
This is what I wanted to see in the previous video! Great stuff!
We need a new Donall and Conall episode every week!
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mobiusraptor7 life is simple like that sometimes. God is good
I love this comment so much
Jesus is Lord, God Almighty. Nobody may say that except by the power of the holy spirit. So say it... and feel the power.
Your videos are my favorite!! Especially since I’ve gone to Bible college and I can appreciate stuff like exegesis you use!
What was so good about this video? If one can say Jesus one can say Jehovah and you don’t need to pay for a Bible education to see that.
Pastor Dave Spotts at American Lutheran Theological Seminary told me during the first lesson of his Koine Greek class, "If you want to rightly handle and proclaim God's Word, you need to know what it says first." Thanks to him, I understood everything in this video and more importantly, a lot more of Scripture!
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
-words to live by from Doctor Who
from "Wheel In Space". :-)
I'm Catholic and I absolutely LOVE these cartoons.
Was expecting some Isaiah chapters 40-50 after 3:41 to really nail down that "lesser gods are completely at odds with every syllable of the Bible" stuff. Great video, as usual ;)
Stunning as usual. And 2 videos from you within a short period of time? Is this an alternate universe I'm living in?
“Had you not dropped out of Greek 101 after 15 seconds...” 🤣
You guys don’t realize how funny this is because it’s based on fact
I studied with Jehovah Witnesses for about a year and I found out there was only 5 people who translated their bible, New World Translation. 3 of them didn’t even graduate high school. Only 1 went to college to study Greek, but he dropped out because of their end of the world prophecy.
So even though Donall and Conall gloss over this real fast as a joke, there is actually a lot of truth behind it.
And in court, their founder was put on the stand, after saying he could read Greek, and he couldn’t even identify the letters in the alphabet.
😂
I spent about a month in Bible study with the JW's on my front porch (I was 15 and my parents wouldn't let me invite them in but would let me sit on the front porch with them). So we studied a few hours every Tuesday. It was interesting though how the more they argued against the Diety of Christ (and the concept of the Trinity in general), the more I saw how flawed their arguments were and how really the Trinity was the only way to correctly interpret the verses in John, the letters of Paul and even Genesis.
The more people argue for the Trinity, it becomes glaringly obvious to me that they do not understand what they are talking about.
When you studied what flaw stood out you are taking another. One example please. Thanks
Right as I was zoning out: "This is boring!"
"Yeah, I know, Connell, but we gotta slug through this stuff."
Late to the party here, but am coming to the end of a first year of NT Greek. As we started by looking at John 1, we covered nominal sentences and predicative nominatives in the first few weeks. Our tutor is an expert in ancient languages and teaches Latin and Classical Greek, and her area of expertise is Sanskrit Literature. In Classical Greek, the omission of the definite article in the predicative nominative when it appears before the verb *is* a rule, (called Cowell's Rule). This does create potential ambiguity in translation. Koine, the Greek of the NT, is less strict (as in other areas), so there are cases when a predicative nominative has a definite article. The context makes it clear which is intended here.
Why do they refer to everyone as Patrick?
Dunno, but's funny hahah
It’s from the St. Patrick video
They’re Irish and the skit started with talking to The St. Patrick.
And this is why I love languages.
I do wish they went into other subjects, like talking about how heretical changing the words of the Bible is anyways...
@@dacronk7178 duhhhh
@@dacronk7178 depends on your definition of "change". Translation is change in and of itself.
Great video. My only minor criticism is that for those who don't read Greek, it would have been helpful to offer a transliteration of the Greek letters under the actual text and emphasize the difference in spelling to mark the case endings (i.e., "when the word 'logos' ends in 'os,' it is in what's called the nominative case, which is usually how you mark the subject of the sentence. when it is spelled 'logon,' it is in what's called the accusative case, which is usually how you mark the object of the verb. The same goes with 'theos'--the 'os' ending tells you it's in the nominative, whereas if it were 'theon' the 'on' ending would tell you it is in the accusative. but in John 1:1c, you have the 'logos', which you see ends in 'os' and so is in the nominative; and then you have 'theos,' which you see also ends in 'os' and so is also in the nominative; but then how do you know which nominative is the subject of the sentence? Well, the one with the definite article!"
The script could be a little tighter, but I think that sort of explanation, along with your brief explanation of what cases mean and the importance of linking verbs, might make it just a bit clearer.
But what do I know? I'm not a fifth century Irish peasant. :-/
You are back!!! So great!
Just a little notice. In 2:05 you say the accusative of αργυρος is αργυριον but this latter is a neutre diminutive, unless you wanted to write αργυρον...
Yeah, they should've used θεός - θεόν.
This is the perfect video to share with all those Nondenominationals who get "confused" about why we insist that our pastors go to seminary and why we don't just let "people who are full of the spirit" preach.
You are so ignorant.
Generally ignorant? Specifically ignorant? And I assume it means that you are not ignorant? Yet you choose to withold your great and knowing view of the world from us ignorami.
This is absolutely brilliant. I adore Donall and Conall, and having them talk about Greek is just the best!!
My NT Greek professors says of this video: "Amusing indeed, but they missed the real clincher for the Greek here. The convention is that if the predicate noun is moved ahead of the 'linking verb' it drops its article. Normally our 'God' would be ο θεος so not so much about the case as the position in the sentence."
I scared my cat I laughed so much watching this ! 😂🙀
Those darned Jampack Whippersnapers.
* *_danged_* *
I knew about this channel from The Upon Friar Review and doesn't regret that
Dude this is the BEST!!! I love these videos ssooooo much!
Spartacus was a nice touch :D
Hahahahaha! Love this! God bless you.
If you ever stop making Donnel and Connell videos I think I would cry this is awesome
What an amazing sweater to celebrate top surgery! 🥳🥳♥️ And that duck is so adorbs. Did you knit the duck in cotton yarn? I have the Wild Animal Friends book by the same designer and havent been able to get started bc I dread knitting with cotton 😆
"The Dread Pirate Rosebeard" Epic, that's what I'm calling him from here on out
Gotta love Lutheran Satire!
Loved the grammar explanations, especially for linking verbs.
This makes much more sense now coming back to it after deciding to learn Koine Greek through Mounce's books, and getting myself a Greek New Testament!