Scooter 911: Electric Start Doesn't Work (troubleshooting your starter, starter relay, and circuit)
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Video Highlights:
1:00 - How your electric start system works
2:11 - Check your battery first
2:34 - Do you really have an electric start problem?
3:43 - Using a test light
4:12 - Locating and identifying the starter relay
4:55 - How to test the starter relay (is the starter motor bad?)
5:48 - Testing the brake switch to starter relay connection
6:27 - Testing the start button to starter relay connection
7:34 - Testing the starter motor manually (by bypassing the starter relay)
What do you do if your scooter's electric start doesn't work? In this video I take you step by step through troubleshooting your electric start components including: the battery, starter relay, starter motor and wiring, brake light switch and starter switch (starter button).
The best tool for troubleshooting the starter system is a test light. Test lights are relatively inexpensive and can be purchased almost anywhere. If you don't have access to a test light you can use a multimeter or even a few wires and a 12v light bulb.
Here is a test light available on amazon that is very suited for home use: amzn.to/2zp2ShU
Here is a link to an affordable starter relay available on amazon: amzn.to/2LhvkJD
The scooter used in this video is a Kymco People 150 but almost every scooter equipped with electric start uses an identical system. That means you can use this video to troubleshoot scooters motorcycles and mopeds made by Honda, Yamaha, Genuine, SYM, Wolf, Rokketa, Italica, Lance and other GY6 brands.
The two common scooters that don't use the starting system shown in this video are the Honda Ruckus and the Honda Metropolitan, but the Honda PCX 125 and PCX 150 also use a different starting system.
If you have a suggestion, or an idea for another episode of scooter 911 leave it in the comment section!
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I'm a 52 yr old woman and I have a Solana scooter that won't start, you have helped me to understand what I can do to fix it myself.
That's great! So happy to help!
You are really a teacher. As a women working with her long nails on her sons scooter this is trully a gift. This makes my project eassier!❤
So glad to help!
Dude, you are an artist. That was sequential, diagnostic, demonstrative, explanational, illustrative and PRACTICAL. Farmout!
Dang! that might have been the best comment i've ever recieved! thanks for watching!
Explanatory, not explanational. Don't hate me, mate, I'm trying to be helpful. And I agree, it's a great video.
@@PiggyXMaloneactually, I prefer explanational! 😆
Long story short had some sh1t going down and my scoot died. You just fixed it for me. Not gonna lie, little tear in my eye. Big thanks from the UK.
Thank you for that. That is the whole reason I started making videos and comments like that keep me inspired to keep going. I'm sorry for your troubles but glad to hear you have your scoot back on the road!
I just got a '99 honda elite sr50 with only 116 miles on it. It had been sitting up a good long time. I had no knowledge of scooters and in my search for good info on diagnostics and repair i came across your scooter 911 videos. They are great, man. Even someone with no mechanical skill can understand and follow your videos. I appreciate your work. Keep it up.
Thank you so much! I hope they help you out!
Thank you, Garret. Your videos are by far the most understandable and entertaining in the scooter repair category. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much my friend!
You are an excellent musician I can tell, I wish people would appreciate the synthesizer sounds you are using for these videos, you seem to be very educated on waveforms such as sinewave, squarewaves,, tune intervals, FM synthesizers such as DX7, Roland Juno and others, Thank you for your videos you’ve really helped me a lot to prevent future accidents and breakdowns and I haven’t received my scooter yet but now I know a couple of things to avoid for safety. God bless you.
Just bought a moped for my son for a short commute to work. Came across your excellent repair videos. So well put together and so informative. Will be using them as a trusted source of info when I need to service and repair. Thank you from UK
I like how you lay things out very clearly and simply, especially the diagram on the grease board. It makes it easier to understand. Thank you so much for making this video!!
I'm so glad you liked it! Thank you for watching!
Well that's means that your problem is not in the starter circuit you got another problem like fuel or spark
Dude! I hope all of your videos are as hilariously dorky as this one... You broke down the relatively simple starter system on a scooter to an even easier level to understand and diagnose. The editing and sound effects were perfect! Thank you for dropping this hot track 👍
Thanks watching! Glad you enjoyed it! I want to bring a non-threatening approach to technical procedures, and I find that goofy sounds and cheesy effects kill the "this is very difficult" feeling of tutorial videos.
@@Scooter_911 brother yo didnt mention , if the bike doesnt start with the bypass trick. what would that mean?
on the other methods you mentioned what it would mean if it did/or didnt work. only that one you didnt mention
@@mattduncan5500 if it doesn't crank, broken wire to the starter or failed starter.
@@edwardjames6070 yeah i did the screwdriver trick across the two terminals. and it waouldnt spark/start.
so guess my starter relay is dead?
First minute of the video saved my day. I'm used to a Harley, where you just turn on the power and press the starter button. Bought a used Zuma scooter, and no one told me about holding the brake levers while starting.
I have spent countless hours and days trying to figure out why my scooter wasn't starting and worried I would have to spend money on getting it fixed and now You have saved me a couple of bucks thanks my man you have just earned another subscriber
So glad I found your channel. Clear, concise, and non condescending instructions are refreshing. Oh, and the little bit of humor is a nice bonus as well. Thank you!
Wow thank you so much!
Thank you dude! Wow, you are REALLY good at making diagnosis videos. I'm serious, I've watched hundreds of experienced technicians and experienced video makers and you by far are the BEST I've ever seen at making a clear, informative, interactive and entertaining diagnosis instructional video.
Great job and thank you so much for the awesome help
Glad you liked it! You're welcome and good luck!
Garret, my scooter had been sitting for five months, because the electric start didn't work and I couldn't get it going by kick starting it. This vid was EXTREMELY helpful, as I bypassed the starter relay and was pleased to hear it crank!! I had to spray some starter fluid in there and it was up and running. I later realized that I had to use the back brake lever to complete the circuit, to start it normally, as the front brake switch appears to not be working.
Garrett at the end of video when by passing the relay with pliers , the noise that scooter made b4 turning over the engine is all I get out of my scooter when by passing relay . It doesn't even crank. It as if starter is trying to spin but that's all it does. Plz help
When my reliable Honda SH300i failed to start after sitting idle during Lockdown. I looked on RUclips and found 911 scooter and this video. The starter sounded semi-normal but the engine wasn't turning over. I tried bypassing the relay on my scooter as suggested and the engine turned over. So I bought a new relay on-line and installed it in a few minutes. The starter was now turning strongly enough to get the motor turned over so that fuel was injected and the scooter is now running perfectly. I was sol-annoyed but now I am relay happy
and very grateful for your excellent videos. I will never be Seesing to recommend them to other scooter riders. Thanks it saved me a lot of money.
The world needs more people like you. Thank you for taking the time to educate
It was my pleasure! But THANK YOU for taking the time to leave some kind words
Great and very educational video for noobs. Keep up with good work 👍🏻
I love you. Thank you for saving me from pulling panels off all willy nilly before realizing it's a dead battery.
Hahaha glad you figured it out! Happy scootering!
Y don't starter your motor over
The most practical, easy to follow, informative, concise guide I have ever seen. I fully respect your work. [ my first scooter going to go pull the brake lever]
Fantastic! Just discovered your channel to troubleshoot my 2007 Kymco People 150 start issue. When it has been sitting for awhile (few weeks) I push the starter button and there is a 2-4 sec delay before it attempts to turn the motor. Once the motor turns, it will take a bit to start but eventually will. When I've been riding the scoot regularly, there is no delay and the motor turns immediately when I hit the starter button. Note: the battery is fairly new; when it has been sitting I put the trickle charger on to make sure it has a full charge but delay is the same. Yes - brake lever pulled, key in On, etc. Appreciate comments. Thanks!
Garret, you're amazing D:
Check out rolling wrench and labcoat Paul. They are good to....definitely not on the level of Garrett or vert though.
@@dapv144 *checks
That's hilarious I had just said something to him comparing his knowledge to Brett's. I guess I'm not the only asshole that learned everything I know about GY6 platform from Reading forums and watching videos! 😆 Oh and lots of failing can't forget that it's the best teacher
Me and my husband watch your videos. Honestly we love the production. You've got the most educational videos though too. Thanks for the help.
Hello, my scooter been sitting for a couple months and when i turn on ignition there is no sound coming from the fuel pump do you have any idea what the problem could be ? Thank you
Ty I’m 65 and a lady. You helped me to get my scooter running now I just have to fix the starting. Scooter will kick start. Ty ty ty😊
You saved me money. This guy from my sister's motorcycle gang was telling me my battery needs charge and not charged by a trickle. When you made the sound of when the starter is not ground properly I ran to my scooter, put the ground wire in another spot and she starts right up.
Nice work!
Many newer scooters (including the Chinese ones) have a kickstand safety switch. As in scooter won't start with the kickstand down. Also worth checking . Otherwise, this video is an excellent troubleshooting tutorial, Including a great explanation of how a relay actually works. Electromagnetic coil mechanically closes contacts.
I'm glad my tao tao doesn't have that.
This is the corniest "starter" video I've ever seen. For that reason, and the fact that it is full of incredibly good information, I will give you a thumbs up, and become a subscriber.
Wow thank you! That was the most qualifying comment i have ever received. For that I reason give it a thumbs up, heart, AND a "thank you" comment.
It feels like one of those 90s "hip" educational videos. I love it! XD
I myself have also sold my soul to this channel
I just did the same for the same reason, this guy is a lifesaver when in the outback 👍👍👍
Hello, my scooter been sitting for a couple months and when i turn on ignition there is no sound coming from the fuel pump do you have any idea what the problem could be ? Thank you
I was about to haul my scooter an hour away and pay them $130/hr to replace what turns out to be the solenoid (since you showed the test) AND... what until August for them to fix it??! It's June now. But you saved the day. Thanks a bunch!
Glad to hear it! Keep it shiny side up!
Thank you, Garret! Your videos are exactly what I've been looking for, thinking they didn't exist.
You restored my faith in the universe, good sir.
Scooter 911 Iloveyou for this video.. you saved my money and whom I can trust for my scooter... I love those funny expressive sound in background for expression and humor ... Yes Stared ..
I'm so glad to hear that! And thank you for the kind words.
Thank you so much for making these videos! You are so clear and professional with them, even someone like me, who is terrible with mechanical things, can fix what I need to. Keep up the good work!
Man that is so good to hear. thanks for that
Hello, my scooter been sitting for a couple months and when i turn on ignition there is no sound coming from the fuel pump do you have any idea what the problem could be ? Thank you
Thank you for accurate diagram about how the left switch is is part of the electrical system that controls starting.
I came to learn how to troubleshoot my starter. I stayed and subscribed because your presentation is FANTASTIC! What a great vid! Hope to fix my "trusty scoot" soon!
Great news! Thank you!
@@Scooter_911 I figured it out thanks to your video. It wasn't a problem with my starter at all. I's my brake light circuit! I noticed when fixing my tail light that the brake filament would only light when squeezing the front brake. I had been using my back brake to try to electric start this whole time. After watching this vid, I realized that the circuit for my back brake must be broken, so I tried electric start with my front brake and it worked!! You saved me a lot of time, effort, and frustration. Thank you!!!
Bro you’re freakishly informative and make it easy for me to follow up. I really appreciate your platform 🙏🏽
Information is nothing without a mind open and strong enough to receive it my guy! Cheers!
Very helpful video! My scooter didn't start after filling the gas tank. Fortunately the kick start started it, but the horn was weak and no turn signals. Just bought a new battery. Still nothing (didn't think it would be that easy!) So after watching your video I thought I'd see if my break light turns on and it did. So I tried starting it and it started on the first try. COOL! Still no blinkers and horn was barley there. I shut it off to go get my phone to show the family it's working and when I came back to the garage; NOTHING! not even the break light...
Ends up it was a bad voltage regulator
Excellent, and rare that someone does it all right. I'm gonna try and replace my start switch first
. This is the first tutorial on anywhere done just right. Thanks much
P.s. did you try the kickstart??
THANK YOU! New owner, and bypassing the starter relay got me up and running. Scooter shop on the phone told me to get it towed, really didn’t wanna pay for that.
This is informational and has an aesthetic to it.
You are GOOD!!!!...Thanks for the help-vids....I imagine that, thanks to you, a LOT of people have haved saved a LOT of money by fixing their own bikes AND becoming aware that they CAN do it themselves even if they are not so mechanically inclined...
Thank you so much for your kind words. Those are my exact intentions! I want to help people the same way I have been helped by the RUclipsrs before me.
this is absolutely the best vid EVER!!! I’ve searched and searched ......finally a clean to the point and humorous vid!!!! 💪🏾😎😎😎
Had to listen to 6:18 a few times to be sure you said "neither" and not "either." CC heard it as "either" same as I did the first time. Excellent video and explanation. Gotta go follow your instructions now.
I guess it's been way to many years when I last road one and then I didnt have to use the brake before starting, da oh me, thanks so much theres always something to learn no matter the age. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video, from this I managed to track the issue down to the brake switch, so new one ordered. Could do with decent videos for brake switch & cable replacement and kick start issues. Thanks and keep up the good work 😊
Glad to hear you got it sorted out! I actually did make a brake switch replacement video ruclips.net/video/xapfVSbhhR4/видео.html ! I have plans for a kickstart video in the future so stay tuned!
Randomly discovering this video at 1 a.m. on a Tuesday in Chicago 4 years after you posted it.. because my mechanically dumb self bought a vintage 84' Yamaha Riva 180Z a month ago because it looked cool and just now had to leave it behind in a different neighorhood because it wouldn't start back up after a grocery run. You're video was super helpful and hopefully will get me out of this mess! Tomorrow I go back to the side of the road where I left it to see what I can do. At least, i'm hoping I can use your needle nose trick and get it running and bring it home to further test the relay/starter/switch. Fingers crossed!!
DUDE! I’ve been trying to figure out why my Kymco Agility 125 wouldn’t start all day. Starter relay! Fired right up when I bypassed it. I watched like 20 other videos which were super vague and not that helpful. Thank you!
Man that is so good to hear! Glad it helped you out!
Good work Garret.... the humor and cheesy sounds effects make the video worth watching
Thank you very much! That's just what I was hoping for.
I still need help starting a 05 Yamaha Zuma scooter
So what should I do
All this time all I needed to do was hold the rear brake level on ahaha, thanks for the tip!!
That didn't work for me what should I do
Superb instruction I know nothing about mopeds or there electrical wiring system, but after watching this video I managed to find out the starting motor on my sons moped had give up . Quality!! Thanx buddy. I will be watching your videos in the future.
Garret, your vedeo on troubleshooting is very well made .you covered everything that one must test to find the problem you took care to teach scooter electrical principles and add a touch of humor and finesse...well done:)! By the way,thank you very much..I subscribed:)
Thank you so much for the kind words and the subscribe!
What a amazing ways to help people. Thanks a lot and keep doing what you do 👍🏻👌🏻
Thank you!
Just finished rebuilding my Saga Retro with an 80cc BBK. I was getting the slow whir-whir-whir problem trying to start it for the first time today. Only the kick start would get it going, and eventually I broke the worm gear inside. Once my new parts come in, I'll be sure to try these suggestions. VERY well done video. Thanks so much!
I have an appt to get my Kymco like 200 fixed next week. Thanks to discovering this vid, I'm going to try to fix it myself when I get off work today. Wish me luck and you have a new sub!
@@tastycar you can do it!
But what if when you try to bypass the relay nothing happens… how do I find that answer. And it’s not the battery or the positive cable
Thank you so much. Very helpful video. Please make more 🙏
Glad to help! More on the way!
Anything on replacing a kick start gear system? Thank you
@@LukeMahan-xr4xx Oh man, thats one I hadn't considered! but a very common problem! i'll definitely put that one in queue!
Most helpful video for this exact issues.
Diagnosed from start to finish and explained in detail able to follow along easily.
Everything is shown. Exactly what I needed!
Hello Garret, thanks for this detailed and clear explanation. I have a CPI Aragon 50cc scooter which has been sleeping a few years in the garage. My wife was using it, and when it started to have some problems, we just left it aside. Now I will have a look at it and use your tutos!!! Wish me good luck!
Good luck! I have some more coming soon!
great work, thanks - love and blessings from the UK!
Thanks...you are a great teacher. :)
Thank you very much!
I have a 1984 Honda gyro and your video was so good that I fixed the issue. Thanks for your help.
Best Scooter repair channel on the web.
Thank you very much!
This is brilliant! You are a born teacher, many thanks!
Hahaha actually I studied to be a teacher at the University of Montana! And thank you for the kind words!
I really like how your descriptions were clear and easy for beginners like me! Plus I love your humor.! But I am still lost! I started taking panels off like crazy (just like you said not to) But I really want to see just how everything works.When I try to start it sounds like something is spinning and not catching (manual start doesn't work). I tested the Battery, The Relay so I am guessing its the starter. Is spinning sound typical from a faulty starter ( FYI - Just put in a fresh spark plug and it was crusty!)
Well I'm assuming you're working on a 50cc Chinese scooter then. The two most common issues I've seen that result in that noise are a faulty starter motor, and sometimes a jam in the starter Bendix. You can pull the belt cover off and watch the starter gear "shoot out" and engage the teeth on the variator. If there is a jam the gear won't come far enough out to engage
@@Scooter_911 Wow!.. Thanks so much for the great info at Lightning Speed! Yes.. Its a Tao Scooter! Will try it and have subscribed to your channel and look forward to learning more with you! Where are you located??
@@lynnmcpherson7296 I'm in Austin Texas. I'd be happy to walk you through a further diagnosis over Skype if you want
@@Scooter_911 You bet. Gave up for the night and work from 9-5 (Central) but put me down for tomorrow night. Let me know what your rate is but I'll gladly pay for it. No one is helping me and I depend on my scooter. (Gave my son my car.. It means more to him than me)
@@lynnmcpherson7296 email me at garretseesingofficial@gmail.com and let's schedule a time
What I like most about your video is that’s the actual bike I own- how lucky can I be great scooter by the way
Great teacher and communicator. The humor is a bonus
Great video 👍Educational!
Thank you very much!
Where do you live? I'm in Chicago. Videos are very helpful. Thanks!
I live in Austin Texas. I'm happy to Skype if you're looking for a little extra help.
Find me on Facebook and yes let's connect! Even to be friends :) I'm in Austin at least once a year currently
I'll message you what's up with my tao tao on Facebook messenger. Easier than RUclips
@@ExpresShans cool, or you can email me @ garretseesingofficial@gmail.com
I wasn’t holding the Lever, thank you for this great advice.
It happens to the best of us my friend! Keep it shiny-side up!
This is super helpful. Now to figure out why both pins on relay connector are grounded. I really hate electrical. Thank you for the informative video
big appreciated!! This info and the way you present the info is rad
Thank you so much!
If you have a sec for a question,, Ive been having trouble starting my scooter even with the kick start, I know the battery is good and I plan to test out all this electric start stuff hopefully tomorrow morning, but is there somewhere else I should be looking if the kick start is having issues too?
@@lane9043 I always have time for a scoot in need! So give me a tad more info, does the engine crank (making that riiiikikikiiikikikikik) noise? And also what kindof scoot is it (brand and engine size)
Happy to hear it, mine definitely is !
It's an 05 PGO mybubu, 125cc and it's not really making any cranking sound at all? When I try the kick start I can hear it try to turn the motor over a tiny bit but otherwise, nothin. I know it worked very recently, as I just bought it and the seller rode it up for about 20 miles w no issues on the kick start, and he kick started it in front of me before I bought it too, so I'm thinkin I must be doing /something/ wrong!
@@lane9043 I LOVE the pgo bubu. I turned one into a racing scooter! It really sounds like a dead battery to me, I know you said the battery is good but it might be tricking you. Does the brake light illuminate when you hold the brake lever?
Instructions unclear. I removed panels on my Vespa willy-nilly, and it turned into a Honda walk-behind mower. It's a very nice mower, so I'm not complaining.
Ahhh i should have mentioned, you need to be using metric sockets, not fractional. Otherwise "side-effects may occur". Do you know a good tool guy?
Unfortunately, I don't.
I don't even own a scooter and you kept me watching. That says a lot
You are a scooter repair legend. Amazing tip on how to buy pass the relay to get it started, well impressive. Very entertaining video also 👌
Glad you liked it!
Awesome thanks! Got an old scooter started.
Fantastic! So good to hear!
Great video keep it uo youre so funny and cool.
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Excellent stuff. You’ve saved me a lot of trouble. My missus is very happy her bike is fixed 👍
probably the best instructional video I have ever seen
besides, making videos on scooter repairs you should also make them about how to make these videos :)
Thank you so much bud your video really helped
So glad to hear that! Safe riding!
I just love your intro
Hahaha thank you very much! Only the very best a microkorg can offer!
The things he said in the end made me love this guy's attitude and mindset (Y) Im with u brotha!
Thank you! Thanks to you I know I need to check the break wire and the starter switch and wire. Heading to the next tutorial for these ... 😅
I'm not stupid but I love how you broke it down so stupid people can understand
thanks for the info bud !
Hope it helps you out!
Brother you solved my problem, hard to get start.Ifollow your instructions and work, Thanks alot for sharing knowledge.
Happy to help!
I couldn’t find any good tutorial/explanation video for this problem thx a 1000 man
Glad to help friend!
thank you that help a lot
Glad to hear it!
awesome video:D
Thank you!
OMG I love you Garrett I've seen a thousand videos but you stole my heart first one!!❤️❤️ thank you and God bless you!!
Thank you so much for showing me how to start the scooter without the electric starter , I really just can't afford to fix it right now .
Hi garret love your videos very informative
Ive got an issue with my smc 50cc starts and idles no problem will rev up on centre stand but is very sluggish and under powered when riding any ideas ???been told could be Possible variator issue
Maybe you could do us a little video regards lee
It very well could be. It could also be a compression issue, either needing a valve adjustment or a top end. I plan on doing some videos on the transmission soon! Thanks for the suggestion!
That's the sound! 3:42 what is my problem?
Well it could be a number of things, but one thing is for sure, your electric starting system is working properly. Most often it is a fuel delivery problem. Either the carburetor is plugged with old fuel from sitting around too long, or possibly the petcock isn't operating correctly. It might even be out of fuel! It is also possible that the engine is not getting spark due to a bad sparkplug, coil, or CDI. Unfortunately you're going to have to dig deeper to find out.
I syphoned about 3/4 tank of gas. Put fresh gas, and that did the trick!
@@JoeyAsaro good to hear! Nice work!
My scooter just worked today. After 4 hours Of scooter just sitting I try to turn on my scoot, it makes this exact sound but Won’t start. Brake light turns on when I press brake. My battery is brand new, bought it also today. Tought the problem may be gastank being empty. Got the gas tank full. Still the same problem. What could be the issue?
Wow started right up with your screwdriver bypass technique that was freaking cool but it did give me a few sparks. Now I know it’s either the ground or the relay :) Keep these cool videos coming
This video definitely helped me widdle down my electrical issue that cause my taotao 50cc scooter not to run. This video, coupled with another from the same guy, I narrowed the issue down to a DCI component issue. My scooter runs, but have to Kickstart it first. So this video got my bike going again. Awesome video. Very helpful
This was Great! Thx 👍
Glad you liked it!
You are actually, quite funny. my type of humour
My 125 hossa is giving me some trouble with the Sparks plug wire I am not getting any current in it and I don't think it is the the CDI box
You are a Smart guy...your videos are easy to follow..humorous, .an I've learned alot ..and also i was able to fix Everything correctly the first time from watching you, thank you for what you do..you have saved me alot of money! The best do it yourself Channel on RUclips
I Wish you live in Chicago. So I can come learn from your shop. You do this so eloquently.
Chicago is a scooter city my friend. Genuine scooter headquarters! We have more videos coming soon with much more to learn from!
If I can start scooter with screwdriver tauching starter reley than the problem is starter reley???
If you tested the switch and the brake with a tester and everything lit up that would be the starter relay
My bike takes ages to start and once if dose and warms up if I turn engine off it won't start back up again. Very rarely will the eclectic start work so I have to kick start. Aslo front head light don't work and brought new bulbs and still don't work......... any thoughts
I would try a valve adjustment to sort out the running issue. Here's a tutorial I made just for that! ruclips.net/video/QkkYjRdtQxg/видео.html
I would think the headlight issue is unrelated but most likely a bad switch or a damaged wire somewhere in the harness
Yep, learn to speak and write English
Great Vid thanks sharing. This is the second faulty starter relay that failed....as you say can start my scooter with a screwdriver. Time to buy a new one again.
My man thank you. You help me with the by pass the relay. You’re the best
My Suzuki V50 Address is not even starting with the kick
Even the horn is not working.
Any idea?
Most likely the battery, I have a video coming out soon that should be able to help you with this though. Hang tight!